Dan and Nick dive into spark plug basics, explaining why they wear out, the impact of fuel mixtures, and the differences between plug types like iridium and platinum. They share practical tips on spotting worn plugs and discuss the rising costs, including exotic car markups. The conversation then shifts to Black Friday and Cyber Monday shopping, highlighting tool deals, memberships like Evance, and partnerships with platforms like Cars and Bids. They emphasize smart spending, especially on automotive tools and services, while sharing personal shopping strategies and holiday greetings.
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"Boy, let's do a little Carter tip. Okay. So just a quick easy one. Why do we change our spark plugs? Why do they wear out? Because the pistons hit them. No. Okay. Okay. So the optimal firing temperature for spark"
Spark plugs are small parts in your car's engine that make a tiny spark to help the engine run. Over time, they get dirty or worn out, so they need to be changed to keep the car running well.
Spark plugs are components in an internal combustion engine that ignite the air-fuel mixture by producing a spark. They wear out over time due to exposure to high temperatures and combustion byproducts, requiring periodic replacement to maintain engine performance.
"The spark plugs can overheat. And this is why overheating is so bad for your engine. So if you are losing coolants and you're overheating, that will obviously do it."
Overheating means the engine gets too hot, which can break parts inside and make the car not work well.
Overheating refers to the engine temperature rising beyond safe operating limits, which can cause damage to engine components like spark plugs and piston rings.
"Fuel mixture. I'm gonna say, I said oil mixture. I meant fuel mixture. Improper fuel ratio, if you're running too rich, that'll foul your spark plugs real quick. Having oil mixture in there can do it too."
Fuel mixture is how much gas and air mix together in the engine. If there's too much gas, it can cause problems with the engine parts.
Fuel mixture refers to the ratio of fuel to air in the engine's combustion chamber. An improper mixture, such as running too rich (too much fuel), can cause spark plug fouling and engine issues.
"Yeah. Yeah. If you've got worn piston rings, it really comes down to one of those things is how often, why"
Piston rings are parts inside the engine that help keep the engine working well by sealing and controlling oil. If they wear out, the engine can have problems.
Piston rings are components that seal the combustion chamber, control oil consumption, and transfer heat from the piston to the cylinder wall. Worn piston rings can cause poor engine performance and increased oil consumption.
"especially with all those older or even some current direct injection engines is the same thing that fouls up your intake runners is the same thing that's fouling up your spark plugs"
Some modern engines spray fuel straight into the engine's cylinders, which helps performance but can make parts get dirty and need cleaning.
Direct injection engines spray fuel directly into the combustion chamber, improving efficiency and power but can cause carbon buildup on intake valves and spark plugs.
"older vehicles, especially pre-catalytic converters, they just they had a, it wasn't that they were bad, it was that they had a wider range of operation"
Cars made before certain pollution control parts were added didn't control fuel and emissions as well, so they ran differently and sometimes dirtier.
Pre-catalytic converter vehicles are older cars made before emissions control devices like catalytic converters were standard, leading to less precise fuel control and more pollution.
"they didn't have the precision adjustments of fuel we have now with those old carburetors fuel bowl dumping fuel. Exactly."
Older engines used a part called a carburetor to mix gas and air before burning it. This part wasn't as precise as modern systems.
Carburetors are mechanical devices that mix air and fuel for internal combustion engines, used before electronic fuel injection became common. They can cause less precise fuel delivery.
"often overlook the bad spark plug wires, bad spark plug boots, things like that."
Spark plug wires are like electrical cables that help start your car's engine by sending electricity to tiny parts called spark plugs. When these wires get old, your car might run badly or have trouble starting.
Spark plug wires carry the electrical current from the ignition system to the spark plugs, igniting the air-fuel mixture in the engine cylinders. Over time, these wires can deteriorate, causing misfires and poor engine performance.
""I've tested with 87 and a heavy foot. I've tested with 91 and a heavy foot...""
87 octane is the regular gas you put in many cars. It helps the engine run smoothly without knocking or pinging sounds.
87 octane refers to regular unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87, which is the standard fuel grade for many gasoline engines. Octane rating measures the fuel's ability to resist knocking during combustion.
""I've tested with 87 and a heavy foot. I've tested with 91 and a heavy foot...""
91 octane is a higher-grade gas that some cars need to run better and avoid engine knocking.
91 octane is premium gasoline with a higher octane rating, typically used in performance or turbocharged engines to prevent knocking and allow for more aggressive tuning.
""If I had the performance tune on like the Bronco, then you have to run 91 minimum.""
The Ford Bronco is a type of SUV that can go off-road. Some versions need better gas to run well.
The Ford Bronco is a rugged SUV known for off-road capability and versatility. Certain performance tunes for the Bronco require higher octane fuel for optimal power and engine safety.
"weak acceleration in general, or your horsepower just being down."
Horsepower is a way to measure how strong a car's engine is. More horsepower means the car can go faster and accelerate quicker.
Horsepower is a unit of measurement that indicates the power output of an engine. It reflects how much work the engine can perform, affecting the vehicle's acceleration and top speed.
"But on, you know, say like a big v8 or something, the larger the engine usually in the larger v configuration engine, the easier it is to feel a miss."
A V8 engine is a type of car engine with eight cylinders shaped like a V. It usually makes the car powerful and fast.
A V8 engine is an internal combustion engine with eight cylinders arranged in two banks of four cylinders forming a 'V' shape. This configuration is known for producing strong power and torque.
"But on, you know, say like a big v8 or something, the larger the engine usually in the larger v configuration engine, the easier it is to feel a miss. But on a straight engine configuration, it's not as bad."
An engine misfire is when part of the engine doesn't work right, making the car run rough or feel weak.
An engine misfire occurs when one or more cylinders fail to combust the air-fuel mixture properly, causing rough running, loss of power, and sometimes shaking. It can be caused by bad spark plugs, ignition issues, or fuel delivery problems.
"the larger the engine usually in the larger v configuration engine, the easier it is to feel a miss."
A V engine means the engine's cylinders are arranged in a V shape. This helps make the engine smaller and more powerful.
A V engine configuration arranges the cylinders in two angled banks forming a 'V' shape. This layout is common in larger engines like V6 and V8, offering compact size and good balance.
"But on a straight engine configuration, it's not as bad."
A straight engine means all the engine's cylinders are lined up in a row. This makes the engine smooth but longer.
A straight engine configuration arranges all cylinders in a single line. It is simpler and often smoother but can be longer than V engines, affecting vehicle design.
"I don't think we've ever talked about misses. That might be something we should talk about in the future. It's like, you know, because I think that term gets thrown around a lot."
A 'miss' happens when a car's engine doesn't fire correctly in one of its cylinders, making the engine run rough or lose power.
In automotive terms, 'misses' refers to engine misfires, where one or more cylinders fail to ignite the air-fuel mixture properly, causing rough running or loss of power.
"Yeah, the good news is is you can cross reference. NGK platinum or radium plugs are pretty much standard on everything. Now they've kind of cornered the market for premium spark plugs. And there's usually a cross reference."
Cross referencing is looking up parts from different brands that work the same in your car.
Cross referencing spark plugs means checking equivalent part numbers from different manufacturers to find compatible replacements.
"Yeah, catastrophic failure. So to say the least, but you are you are correct on the exotic car markup on spark plugs is insane. And they're not always easy to get to."
Exotic car markup means parts for fancy or rare cars cost a lot more than regular cars.
Exotic car markup refers to the significantly higher prices charged for parts and services on high-end or rare vehicles compared to standard cars.
"No, because they're they're offset because it's W16."
A W16 engine is a very powerful engine with 16 cylinders arranged in a special shape. Bugatti uses this engine to make their cars super fast.
A W16 engine is a unique 16-cylinder engine arranged in a W configuration, used by Bugatti in models like the Veyron and Chiron. It delivers extremely high power and performance.
""...Another thing that was on my list, obviously, I already got this year was a really good jack. Yeah...""
A jack is a tool that lifts up your car so you can fix things under it or change a tire.
A jack is a mechanical device used to lift a vehicle off the ground to allow for maintenance or repairs, such as changing tires or working underneath the car.
"That's me. I don't use air tools anymore. That's what cordless tools are for"
Cordless tools are tools that run on batteries so you can use them anywhere without plugging them in, like for pumping up tires or cleaning.
Cordless tools are battery-powered tools that don't require a power cord, offering portability and convenience for tasks like inflating tires or cleaning.
"Yeah, so if you have an old Dyson v six that I already bought from Costco all the time, the battery on it's probably dead."
Dyson makes vacuum cleaners that you can use to clean your car inside without plugging them in.
Dyson is a well-known brand that produces vacuum cleaners and other household appliances, including cordless stick vacuums popular for cleaning car interiors.
"The Dyson batteries suck. Get the Dewalt or Milwaukee adapter."
DeWalt makes batteries and tools that can power things like cordless vacuums, which can be handy for cleaning your car.
DeWalt is a brand specializing in power tools and batteries, often used for cordless tools and adapters compatible with various devices including vacuums.
""...cheap lights like my BOT designs S2 fogs are just as bright as my headlights.""
Fog lights are special lights on a car that help you see better when it's foggy or rainy outside.
Fog lights are auxiliary lights mounted low on a vehicle designed to improve visibility in foggy or misty conditions by producing a wide, bar-shaped beam of light that reduces glare.
"...'re going to listen to this you just got that new sq7 doesn't have a trailer hitch. But when you do bec..."
The Audi SQ7 is a fancy and fast SUV that is comfortable and has lots of cool features. It doesn’t always come with a hook to pull trailers, so people sometimes have to add one later if they want to tow things. It’s a car for people who want both speed and luxury.
The Audi SQ7 is a high-performance luxury SUV that combines sporty driving dynamics with advanced technology and comfort. It is notable for its powerful engine options and sophisticated features, but some models may lack certain practical options like a factory-installed trailer hitch. This makes aftermarket solutions or dealer-installed hitches a common topic among owners.
"got the I didn't have time to put that external mount on the F 150. So I spent 25 bucks on Amazon and I got this on a roof mount. It works just to put it inside. Yeah. Super"
The Ford F-150 is a big truck that many people use for carrying heavy stuff or towing things like trailers. It's very popular because it can do a lot of different jobs and is reliable. People often add extra parts to it to make it work better for their needs.
The Ford F-150 is a full-size pickup truck known for its durability, versatility, and strong towing capabilities. It is one of the best-selling vehicles in the United States and is often used for both work and personal purposes. Its popularity makes it a common choice for modifications and accessories, like external mounts mentioned in the podcast.
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Welcome to the Avant's Podcast. I'm Dan. I'm Nick. Happy holidays. Happy holidays, yeah.
We can say that. That's politically correct. Happy holidays or whatever. Yeah, or
Merry Christmas, like I like to say. Absolutely. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays.
God, my holiday calendar is very much thrown off because Thanksgiving is so
late this year. Yeah, it's really late. And so I'm off by that. I'm pretty much
done with all my shopping-ish. Oh, that's good. Well, I mean, I say that, and then
something else will come up or something fun, you know, but I think I'm good. So,
yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Boy, let's do a little Carter tip. Okay. So just a quick
easy one. Why do we change our spark plugs? Why do they wear out? Because the
pistons hit them. No. Okay. Okay. So the optimal firing temperature for spark
plugs is 930 degrees Fahrenheit to 1472. They have a pretty wide range. Okay. And
that's really hot. Never knew that. Okay. Yeah. So yes, a couple things can
happen. The spark plugs can overheat. And this is why overheating is so bad
for your engine. So if you are losing coolants and you're overheating,
that will obviously do it. Improper oil mixture. Because heat causes expansion,
and then things get loose, correct? Correct. Okay. Fuel mixture. I'm gonna say, I
said oil mixture. I meant fuel mixture. Improper fuel ratio, if you're running
too rich, that'll follow your spark plugs real quick. Having oil mixture in
there can do it too. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. If you've got worn
piston rings, it really comes down to one of those things is how often, why
do I change my spark plugs in an interval? One over time, they just
get coated, especially with all those older or even some current direct
injection engines is the same thing that fouls up your intake runners is the
same thing that's fouling up your spark plugs, they can build up on there.
It's the number one thing that I've changed on the Triumph, because that
one eats spark plugs because it runs so rich, older vehicles, especially
pre-catalytic converters, they just they had a, it wasn't that they
were bad, it was that they had a wider range of operation because
they didn't have the precision adjustments of fuel we have now with
those old carburetors fuel bowl dumping fuel. Exactly. Yeah. And so
that's really the main thing. It's really air fuel, air fuel mixture is
a big one. Yes, deteriorated ignition components is when people
often overlook the bad spark plug wires, bad spark plug boots,
things like that. And yes, they radium plugs are better than
copper plugs, they're a better conductor. That's it.
So yeah, and those, you know, spark plug wires wear out, even
if they don't look like they're worn out. Yeah, they can get they
get old and brittle, and then, you know, turn off all the
lights, turn on your car and look under your hood at night
without a really old car. It's kind of a fun one to do. Okay,
you can see him arcing. Oh, yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah,
I just, um, yeah. So close the garage, start the car. What's
next? Don't do that.
Check your will. Yeah, check your will. Yeah, and see if
they're arcing. Yeah. Yeah. And so a radium and platinum,
that's why they're more expensive. They're more
durable. They're better conductors, they burn cleaner
That's it. But I don't think there's like, like a generic
interval for spark plugs. Like I think it's no, it depends on
the engine car specific or engine specific. Yeah. Okay. Huh.
Interesting. And then if you are if you're, if you have a car
that runs premium, and you're one of those cheap skates out
there who decides that it's okay to run and let it unleaded,
I cannot talk today. Our forts can do both. Yeah, our
forts can do both. Actually, they can they will adjust the
tune for 87 or 91.
I'm not gonna lie, I run the Raptor on 87 more than I'd
like. It's fine. I know it's fine. Yeah, probably. I mean, it's
just, I mean, we're in Washington. It's so stupid,
expensive for gas. But yeah, I've done it too. It makes no
difference. I've never seen a difference in mileage. I mean,
and I have tested it every way I've tested with 87 and a
heavy foot. I've tested with 91 and a heavy foot and the
opposite of that with, you know, like, babying it
nothing. Well, they say it reduces power, but I'm so
rarely in the power band. I just don't care. And I don't get
any difference in mileage. You know, if I had the performance
tune on like the Bronco, then you have to run 91 minimum. But
that's different. But
reasons I didn't do it and the $700 price tag. That's another
reason. Yeah. Yeah. So if signs of, yeah, signs of your
plugs going bad, poor fuel economy. That should be the
first thing you notice. Hard starting engine or no start.
If they're totally if your ignition is totally screwed,
weak acceleration in general, or your horsepower just being
down. On some vehicles, it's actually hard to notice a slight
miss on really smooth engines. But on, you know, say like a big
v8 or something, the larger the engine usually in the larger
v configuration engine, the easier it is to feel a miss. But on a
straight engine configuration, it's not as bad.
I don't think we've ever talked about misses. That might
be something we should talk about in the future. It's
like, you know, because I think that term gets thrown around a
lot. And yeah, a lot of people may not know what that means.
Yeah. So anyway, it's not always a cheap thing anymore. It
used to be like plugs were two to 10 bucks for the nice ones,
you know, and now
Oh, it's stupid. I mean, I can't even and then you get the
exotic car markup that are using the same plugs, but are
charging you.
Yeah, the good news is is you can cross reference. NGK
platinum or radium plugs are pretty much standard on
everything. Now they've kind of cornered the market for
premium spark plugs. And there's usually a cross reference.
Make sure you get the right size because there is a length
difference. Oh, yeah. If it's too long, you're going to know
real quick. Yeah, catastrophic failure. So to say the
least, but you are you are correct on the exotic car
markup on spark plugs is insane. And they're not always
easy to get to.
I forgot somebody. I mean, multiple people posted it as
far as what spark plugs in a Bugatti cost and like and
they're not exactly like they're not Bugatti spark
plugs from what I told so
yeah, but I imagine the service to do them. Oh, getting
to it. Yeah, I mean, that's yeah, but I'm saying they're
still charging a couple hundred bucks or plug or something
like that. And 16 of them. Or is it here is a dual
ignition? I don't some cars use tools, two plugs. No,
because they're they're offset because it's W16. Yeah,
it's what you know, when you look at the block, I've
actually seen one I don't know where but I've seen
one and the fact that it's I thought it was two engines
and top but it's just they're off center. Yeah. Yeah,
kind of fun. Yeah, that old Volkswagen V configured VR
configuration, the VR six carado. Remember that? So it's
like it's not a straight V. It's just like a overlapping
hard to describe. Yeah, damn Germans. I know. Yeah, yeah. Black
Friday is coming. Cyber Monday is coming. Yeah. You know, I'm
not as excited as I usually am. I've also Black Friday, I
think for a lot of companies, if you have your email has
been blowing up for the last three weeks, everybody has
been having Black Friday since red October. So it's
not as I don't feel like the deals are as good this year. I
feel like I will say this without making any statements. I
feel like there's a little bit more money in my pocket this
year, which is good. Yeah. But I also I'm sort of I'm sort of
in the same boat as you where I'm trying to kind of thin
things down and get less debt and things like that. So I'm
less eager to go out and find things. A deal really has to
be one hell of a deal to get in my. Yeah, I'm purposefully not
looking for anything. So there's a few things that have popped
up that have been really, really minor things. But that said, a
lot of people are there's a lot of good stuff to buy. It's not
a great time for consumers that are with electronic prices
have gone up quite a bit in some places, not others. But
there's still deals to be had. A lot of you made in USA
stuff like tools have been as usual, they've been, there's
not a lot of made in USA tools, let's put it that way,
but made in USA tools are pretty clear to find out
because their prices aren't so insane compared to like I was
looking at gear wrench foam inserts that's because those are
the ones I really like to have in my toolboxes. And one of the
ones I was looking at went from 260 to 360 over the last
year. That's still yeah, huge markup and I'm like, no, I
don't need that. I'll deal without my foam inserts.
The wrenches will sit in the drawer without moving just
fine. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it I am I went I have been
trying to slowly fill the new tool role that you gladly got
my birthday. And I ended up going to Harbor Freight and I got
a set of it's a mixed half inch and three eighths impact
sockets and I got them for like $32. Nice. Yeah, I mean, and it
became a stupid case, which I got rid of. But so I've been
looking for stuff like that. I did order a couple of Milwaukee
Milwaukee screwdriver sets that are going to go in. I'm kind
of building that slowly. I'm realizing I don't need it in
the truck right now. Like I have my old trusty DeWalt the black
case one, which works really well. I'm looking for a new half
inch ratchet and a quarter inch and let that I mean, I could pull
them out of the existing kit. But I'm slowly looking for that.
Harbor Freight's had some good deals. Harbor Freight's not as
cheap as it used to be. No, Home Depot's just as cheap now.
They are Husky stuff is really competitive for the same
warranty. If you don't know about Home Depot's good deals
with with the power tools with with Milwaukee DeWalt.
What's everybody? Ryobi, Ryobi, you know, where you're buying
one thing and you're getting six more things. It's it's it's
really a good deal if you go in there and you find the right
tools you need, especially if you're a car person. I know the
radios, I think the air the air, the air compressors are one
of the free tools, the blowers are free tool. I'm not sure
what DeWalt's got right now.
I'm a lot of it's just the battery deals. But let's talk
about what you should be buying. So obviously, the
Evance membership is the first thing you want to we want to
suggest ever and we do every year if you ever need tires, if you
need a service on your vehicle, it'll pay for itself instantly.
Well, actually, that made me think of something. There was a
huge announcement for Evance this week.
That's right. And I think it's a good time to bring that
up that we are now partnering with cars and bids. Doug
himself did a video. Yeah, he said our name. It's an
incredible deal about if you're looking to list a car on
cars and bids. It's a free photo shoot. You're getting a free
Lamborghini shirt. There's all kinds of really neat perks with
it. Yeah. I like cars and bids. It's been a good platform. I
think it's good competition for everything else out there. But
go look into it. Maybe maybe go look for a good Black Friday
car for your loved one. Yeah, there you go. There you go.
DeWalt's membership core 99 bucks. That's just you get
the discounts across the board. So 10% off a discount
entire 10 with an additional 10% off at Michelin BF Goodrich
five to 10% off at FCP Euro, the cars and vids deal. And then
of course, griots, Hagerty, you get the magazine subscription
and you get the of course, the carbon fiber membership card,
the local one so you can get that's the 99 plus $50 more
and you get to attend the private events for bonds
members only, you get the griots car care kit that's no
longer part of the $99 package. They say it's an $80 value.
I think it's actually more than that. Yeah. And then the
Amont starter pack, which is the key tag the license plate
frame and of course the stickers. And then of course, you
know, the magazine, all that. I always encourage people if
you're not members, go on and click the the what's the name
of it is it's not is it sponsored tab or what what's the
word partners partners tab, and then look at go down the
list and it will tell you what the discount is. We won't
tell you how to get that discount unless you're an
advanced member. But I always encourage people to do
that. That's how I kind of down I have never been
people that will sell the memberships the memberships
kind of sell themselves, but it's always when I'm
pointing it out to people. Yeah, if you ever need tires, you
need an advanced membership, like it makes no sense not to
have the membership ahead of time, you're just spending more
money for no reason. Agreed. Yeah, learn how to do math,
you'll be fine. Learn. So the next one about that, of
course, the charter membership, all the benefits of the
local and the basic plus professional photo shoot with
your car, the charter member t shirt, and then the
exclusive events that are invite only that the regular
members do not hear about all the time. And that one,
again, if you were really want to be active in the car
community, totally worth it, you will see stuff that'll
blow your mind that you did not know existed here. We are
very fortunate to see all those. Yeah. But I mean, like, if you
ever need PPF on a new car, it would be stupid not to have an
honest if you need s tech on anything, like, you know, that
if you don't think you can get paint protection, especially
s tech for under 1000 bucks on anything, ever, maybe like if
you were protecting a laptop, yeah, yeah. So one mirror, like
you said, maybe but good PPF with a good installer is
not cheap. And it's absolutely worth it. And that is part
of the price. It's a very quality product for PPF,
especially s tech. But it's the installation that you want to
do. That's why you don't want to be. Yeah, I was having this
conversation with Uncle Peter yesterday, they got a new car
and we were talking about getting it into Metropolitan for
that. So yeah, and you can upgrade or downgrade your
membership if you come in at the, you know, the charter
level one year and you want to do all that stuff. And
the next year you decide you just don't you're not as
engaged in your work, life got busy at a kid, whatever
you can downgrade to a local one for to 150. That's
no big deal. So yes, it auto renews. And yes, your
membership covers you in all regions. So even though
there's the local one, that's the one we clear about, like
you might be a Seattle local member, you're still a member
at every other region you go to and we're growing. We are
growing. So
got Nicole has taken Arizona and it's just it's skyrocketing.
Nicole's doing great. I love that.
I love Arizona. Yeah, well, yeah, that too. I mean, I
like inside Arizona. Yeah, this time of year, I love
outside Arizona. That's fair. That's fair. I mean,
that's the top of your list. Yeah, that's obviously top of
anybody's list. We already have those. We've had those for God
wondering. Oh, that's right. We're still I that it still
chaps me that we're four and six. I think four and six. Yeah,
diver Dave. You know what you did? Yeah, you know, obviously,
if there's somebody in your life that enjoys working on
their cars and enjoys working in their garage, I always
considered, you know, tools are great, you know,
ratchets. Another thing that was on my list,
obviously, I already got this year was a really good
jack. Yeah, either either upgraded one off off road jack
like Badlands. He's got the three ton. I've got the one and a
half ton. Those Daytona jacks from from Harbour Freight are
great. They're low profile. They're great. And they are
I mean, what you don't realize is everybody goes, Oh,
Harbour Freight's cheap. I mean, those Daytona jacks get
used in big car companies and things like that. Yeah, it's
all the same stuff pretty much lighter for your weight is a
big factor. I always prefer an aluminum jack for the shop.
So the lighter, the better. They're telling me to lug that
thing around to be glad you spent the money. Yeah, first time
you have to lug the heavy jack around to be glad you got the
aluminum one. Yeah, it's like 40 pounds versus 80 pounds. So
it's a huge difference to move around that jack. Let's start
with stocking stuffers. Okay, stocking stuffers are a fun
one. You can get a jack and a stocking. It's fine. Yeah, I
agree. Bigger stocking. Yeah. In fact, you can get one of
those little one and a half ton racing jacks for like 100
bucks if you get them on specials. True. Yep. And
those are great little jacks. Yeah. My first one that I
was thinking of griot's products. Yeah, our friends at
griot's like you cannot go wrong getting me or anybody and I
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