It Sucks, But I Kinda Like It! - DWA! Podcast Ep. #918

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Can you imagine his head being inside his little head?

Egocidal vehiculum.

There's no doubt. Correts are fast.

What about the people that put their fingers over the license plate?

Keiichi Tuchiya.

Those cars have such a cute little face, you know?

It's like a little salamander or something, you know?

I'm riding dirty right now.

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Welcome to Driving Well Awesome.

My name is Warren.

I'm Lane.

And I'm Art.

We are back again.

It's feeling good.

Let me be the second person to wish you a happy new year.

How are you guys doing?

It's too late for that, Warren.

Larry David says like seven days or something.

I think it's like less than that, dude.

Well, I'm doing great overall because it's sunny again,

and we have blue skies, and shitty weather really affects my mood.

Yeah, I like me a little rain for a couple of days.

You know, you get cozy, you know, it's nice and relaxing.

I don't think you really do.

I think you prefer it.

It's a little chocolate, hot chocolate, Mexican hot chocolate even.

You know, get deployed immediately.

But yeah, it's a blue skies and sun is why we live here.

And we pay a premium for it, and it's nice to have it back.

Thanks, man. Good job.

Anyone else out there that doesn't have that, fuck you.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

That's the way we roll, dog.

It is beautiful here as well.

It's like super sunny, blue skies, crispy weather.

Dude, yeah, 65 degrees.

And we're looking a little colder here.

Dense, we got that dense winter air, though, which is like crispy.

Exactly. It's the way to put it. I love that shit.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice, dude.

I did have to scrape my window the other morning

to go drive my daughter to school.

It was like 30, it was 30, it was 33 degrees.

Yeah, we could delay the podcast if you want to take a little bit of a time,

you know, just some recovery time.

No, I'm good, but it did delay my drive.

I see his eyes over there.

I had to use a credit card to scrape, dude.

Credit card, man.

I'm so glad you're okay.

Yeah, I'm not complaining.

Oh, you're enjoying it. I see.

I'm making a comment. It's just, it's just banter Warren.

You're saying it be what it be is what you're saying.

Yeah, you would it be today.

It was 41 when I drove over to school.

Nice, dude. You get to pull out your

no ice, no ice, but I want layers though.

Maybe some extra layers on you or just rock in a sweatshirt.

You know, maybe hood up California style.

See heaters on heated steering wheel on, you know.

Oh, right. I was, I was, I was picturing in the 911.

Yeah, I'm like, see heaters.

No, actually the 911 does have seat here as though.

Oh, sweet.

I, I, how did I not know that G bodies were offered with seat

years? I don't know, or it has one seat heater.

Oh, driver's side.

Did you check the only check the one box?

I think it, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm not sure if it actually was a passenger option.

Maybe it was, but yeah, dude, there are cars like that.

I'm trying to remember where you have power, driver's seat and

manual, a passenger, you know, like she like that.

So right, a lot of, a lot of Porsches are like that.

Today is the registration period for the next rally when this comes out.

Oh, you're smart.

So there are people that are probably listening to this and either listening to

before rally registration opens at 10 a.m.

And maybe have some questions or thoughts.

I don't know.

We're very excited for this rally and stoked that people want to join us.

It's going to be a fun one.

We're going to be camping and hanging together and driving some fun roads,

some new roads and all that stuff.

I don't know how far into the weeds we want to get here since most,

you know, not all of the listeners are going to be coming on the rally,

but it's exciting.

We're just kind of getting things lined up currently.

So it's ready to roll.

And then it's always a fun time as orders come in,

seeing who has signed up, who's coming and the cars associated.

So I just want to put that out there for all those folks.

Yeah, dude.

I'm super excited.

I would say if you're listening to this before 10 a.m.

and you're thinking about going on the rally,

go to the website and at least like come around what we have written down about it

and stuff like that.

And then when the time comes, we will send a link,

basically a password that gets you into the buying page.

And that will be sent to our two Patreon.

So this is only for Patreon members.

So Patreon is patreon.com forward slash driving while awesome.

And it will only be open to Patreon members on Thursday at 10 a.m.

And then we will open up to the rest of the people, the rest of the world

on Monday, the following Monday, but guaranteed, I'm putting a guarantee there,

Warren, guaranteed all hotel rooms and hotel type rooms will be booked by then and very quickly.

But I'm thinking there will be camping sites available to the public, basically,

to the general public.

Gotcha.

I think you're right.

And I hope you're right.

Yeah, it should be good.

Yeah, it's great.

I'm stoked.

So that's April, I'm sorry, May 1st through the 3rd with an optional pre-hang the night

before the rally starts in central California.

So stay tuned for more information on that.

And then we have morning motors on the 25th at the Wrigley Building.

So morning motors, January 25th, old Wrigley Building.

And also for those on the East Coast, Radwood at the Amelia Concours, that's March 7th.

Art and I will be there out in lovely Florida.

March 7th, car spots are on sale now.

And then we're returning to Charlotte, North Carolina, April 11th.

Those tickets should be on sale any second, if not by the time this comes out.

That's April 11th at Charlotte Motor Speedway, actually the 10 tenths motor club,

which is just next door.

So come on out.

Other stuff coming too.

So that's it.

That's all I got for updates.

We can jump into this thing.

You guys want to do questions?

What do you think?

I think so, I am not opposed to that.

I am super unprepared today.

Normally at least glance at them once.

So we'll see how this goes.

Any rally prep yet?

I mean, it's months away, but anyone getting ready?

Anyone need to do anything?

No, it's a little stuff for me.

But yeah, just tires are good.

I got to figure out this radio situation.

Tires are okay.

I think they'll make it through this rally.

And then it's probably time for new tires.

I notice my fronts are looking a little, little tired

because I replaced my rear is before the last rally.

Last and I'm my rear is, my rear is last about 5,000 miles.

So it turns out.

Are you on Continental's or Michelin's?

I am got little tires.

Yeah.

Might be time to try some, some breads on there.

Huh?

Some bread of Steins.

There's a, I don't, I don't think so dude.

No, I don't know dude.

All right. I mean, yeah.

Is there an equivalent?

There is.

Yeah.

There's a breakaway on those breads, dude.

I haven't tried them myself, but I can ask Clapman.

He's, he put them on and he's, he's trying them out over the winter

because he had like 200 treadwear tires that he'd been tracking his E 46.

And then our buddy Joe Gatt, he really liked him on his escort

RS Causeworth and he liked him a lot more than the Yokohama equivalent,

which was the apex, whatever. But I don't know details outside of like,

he just said, yeah, that like the ride quality is great.

Feedback's good and they have like the same or more grip.

But it's an option.

I guess. Yeah.

At this point it's like tires are so, um, yeah, they're very subjective, right?

It's like what you like in a tire or I don't know.

I think I've noticed that continental's, the continental's that I have and PS four S's

both have like the same kind of breakaway characteristics that I like.

They're very subtle breakaway.

Basically they tell you, they, you know what the tires are doing it all the time.

At all times subtle.

They also like, you know, when it's happening, right?

But it's, it's not snappy. It's, it's a subtle, it's a very, very progressive.

So a subtle breakaway point. Basically it's like, it's not like a snappy one.

And then, and they, they tend to both ride very well and they're quiet.

Like they have all the same characteristics.

And then I've gone with some other tires and then, you know, I, I famously had a

Goodyear Eagle F something or yeah, some things.

And they were like the snappiest tires and I had no idea what they were ever doing.

They felt like hockey pucks.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, no, that's absolutely a thing.

Everything that you described. So yeah, I mean, this is just an alternative, right?

There's, there are other options. It's all, I mean, I like to explore and try a bunch of

shit, but when you know something is tried and true and you know those work for you,

like it's also like a Y, right? That's also a question.

And if you're, if you're happy with, with either of those options and both of them are great.

Both of those tires are fantastic and I've had multiple sets of both.

So I, I agree with it. I'm curious cause like, I would like to know from someone like you or

someone that, you know, that I'm, that can, that I can get that feedback from cause I don't

have a car that I could put those tires on. Yeah. But if eventually when I do, I will,

I definitely want to try them out. Yeah, it could be fun to try.

That's so mint has a question here. He says, what rad, radwood era car do you love despite

not being able to make any case for its performance or build quality?

Lotus is a three turbo series too. That's a good, that's a really good answer.

That's a great answer. I was going to say the Dodge Omni GLHS, which I just like their kind

of wedgy look, but build quality. I mean, I have to imagine their, you know, Ford Escort or similar

and then performance wise, though, I think they were one of the standouts of the era

in that category. So I know that on paper, but I've never driven one and I don't know anyone

that's really been super into them and like we've never had one on the rally. Other like

I'm trying to think we had one on the rally. We did, right? We got a cold. Yes, we did. No,

we have the GLHS. Yeah, the police officer. Yeah, it was all like, but it was fully tracked.

Oh, this has been a roll cage. Yeah, yeah. He was on couple rallies, I think. Yeah,

yeah. And we haven't seen him for a while, but that's right. Okay. Yeah. Well, I need to get

behind the wheel and see what it's all about. If it's people, it's like a cult following at

Radwood. We see them pretty much every show, a lot of Midwest love for those cars and they all,

every owner, I think kind of has a chip on their shoulder of all those Dodge products of the era.

They're kind of like all the Shelby stuff. Yeah. All the Shelby stuff, especially they're all really

into it. They share a rabbit chassis or is it, am I wrong in thinking that? Or it was like a shared

like the platform? Maybe was there something there? Shoot, Mark one. That's news to me.

I don't know. All I know is that they were very popular in autocrossing in the 80s and 90s and

they were very successful, which makes sense. You know, just if you look at, you know, the size

of the car, the wheelbase, also the class, the weight and the power, all of those things.

Yeah. They're really cool. I like them too. And it's what I agree with you. It's a car that

I love it exists. I love that it exists. I love seeing them, but I can't see myself ever really

buying or owning one, but they have like great wheels and like their graphics packages and

just all those stuff they did to them, especially the Shelby cars are like,

they knew what they're doing. They did it right. And it was as kind of as good as you can make an

American hot hatch from, from that era. So that's one of them. Lane, anything come to mind?

Yeah. I think, I mean, it's like probably one of the worst cars ever known to man.

And I think they're kind of good looking is the Maserati by turbo. Oh yeah, for sure. Great,

great answer. I mean, same kind of like wedgie, like very lotus, a spring, a very

Giorgio looking in a lot of ways, even though I think it might be Pena farina or something.

I don't even know. I think it's a Bertone Bertone. Yeah. Oh, it looks very Bertone too.

But really like, I think a good looking car on paper, it's like, it should be such a cool car,

right? But by all accounts, it's like the worst, like one of the worst cars ever made.

Right. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. On your line of thinking art, the Lotus, the Lotus

angle is interesting because that brings up like the late Pantera. Oh, yeah. With the body,

with the body, with the body killer. They look insane. Like it checks all the boxes,

like mid-engine, like front spoiler on the hood. Like fender arches and yeah, they're

really cool. Yeah. So cool. But again, like, I mean, power wise, it's a V8. I'm assuming

it's just a Ford V8, but everything else is like, who knows, right? Yeah, I was just going to say

with, with the, I feel like the bi-turbo, I mean, although it's not, there is a stigma associated

with the car because of it. It's reputation, but that would be like a perfect car for a swap,

right? Like that's like, I think, because overall, like, I don't think they're like,

I mean, at least like looking at the interiors and stuff, they actually look pretty nice, right?

Like, I don't know if they're like shitty. It's, I think it's more just like the,

the engine is notoriously unreliable and like I'm sure the electronics are all bad. So

if you could do the same thing, swap in there. Yeah. I agree. The same thought for Jaguar,

Bentley kind of stuff where they're like, Oh, just put a, put a, throw an LS in there,

but it's not just the LS. It's all the wiring and the, yeah, the weird, you know, Lucas might even

look and like the way the brake brake master cylinder is like, yeah, the way, and like a Jaguar

has like weird one, you know, inboard breaks and shit. I don't know. There's always weird things

like that make them, it's not just like the one thing. Usually it's like this combination of

everything being. So you need to go full singer treatment, basically. I think so, dude. Oh,

here's my million dollar. I found my answer to that. Like the, the Omni and rabbit. It says

the Omni horizons chassis L Chrysler L platform was inspired by the VW rabbit with early Omnis

even using VW engines. Whoa. I mean, they're very similar. Like when you look at them profile

wise, like there's almost no difference creating a strong family resemblance and performance overlap.

I'm sure it looks like I'm stoked on that. Yeah, dude. Just to hold it. Yeah. All right. So not

Nate says, still trying to see if I can pick up something cheap for the rally. What's a car

with sense of occasion for sub five K that could survive the abuse and maybe a drive from Michigan

some five K. Do we have like, is that even a thing these days? I mean, it is like there's

plenty of Honda products. Is it going to survive? You know, like our, our could tell you a bunch

of a do it a bunch. Whoa. What are you under five? They're not going to be yes eyes. No, I mean,

just yeah, I guess that's a good point. Yeah. Like a CRX, like non SI. Yeah. Yeah, probably

talking about even that though, like a nice one, feel like a decent one's going to be above five

K. It feels like it's like it's a premium. I think yeah. Maybe you know what? I feel like the,

the prelude like four wheel steer, like the those were pretty unloved. Like they're cool

and they're not. They're underappreciated. I bet you can find a decent one for five grand

and that's a pretty cool car. Four wheel steer for under five grand. No, but you can find a prelude

where you can find like a Mazda MX six or something maybe, but like can you find a good

call? Those are sweet, especially they hit me that turbo model, the early ones. I think you just

literally do a search of whatever you can find with manual transmission with manual exactly

and hopefully by owner and just go through all of the options because whatever's close to you

and do it quick. So you have time to fix it. So I just searched and not my, not my marketplace

search is going to be, it's going to be totally fucked because the algorithm is really good on

Facebook marketplace. Like they serve you exactly what you want to see. I just did a search for

prelude four wheel steer 500 miles. So 2,300, 2,400, 3,000, 8,500, 8,000 looking dude. Like

click on one of those things dude. There's a super this SI that I'm looking at. Oh, very high

mileage. Yeah, there's a, they all, the ones that are cheaper have really high mileage, but

there's some nice cleaner cars with like 200,000 miles on them. You know what I have seen

mark three GTIs for five grand. Well, Hagerty is blew those up, right? Dude, the two liters are

horrible though. I hate that. That's such a shit. Okay, but we're talking about we're talking about

it's also like horrible in for that timeframe, but it's the same engine that like the early ones

had right and all that. It's like, it's not like a, it's like horrible compared to the cars of that

period because you had the VR six as your alternative. Yeah, it's a, but it's not necessarily

like a horrible engine, right? It's like, it's going to be reliable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's see. You could probably do a first Shen and Tegra. Those are pretty underappreciated too.

And those are cool pop up headlights. They handle well. Those are cool. Just a quick search. Yes,

several around the five K range that, that are pretty decent. It's just kind of what I was talking

about the Honda stuff. It's like, you're not going to get an SI obviously, but something

that's decent looking and, you know, do a couple little mods and the right wheels and

Bob's your uncle or whatever they say, right? Yeah, that is, yeah. I'm trying to think of

anything else. I mean, maybe it, can you get some, um, like a, what's like a Ford Thunderbird,

like the turbo coop phone? Like that's pretty rad, but

sure. Remember, you guys said drive it across the country too.

Lane, there's the biggest spider outside my window right now. It just crawled up a freaking

web. It's like a big boy body. It might be a. Yeah. This is like a garden spider, but it's

yeah. It looks more pissed off than that. I'll send pics later. That's not cool.

Desperately seeking Suzuki says, what's your ideal K car garage does not need to replace your

current fleet one to one, but it does need to cover your current use case scenarios.

So is he talking just performance wise, like your performance fleet or like daily driver

family cars as well. Sounds like the whole garage, the whole garage, a couple of cars.

Mine's pretty easy. All right. What you got? Well, van wise, van again. I mean, they make

the exact same thing just in K versions. It's like almost identical other than the engines.

There's a bunch of like a Subaru, Sam bar, or you could do so many cool ones.

And in fact, if I could get, they make these small campers, which are so cool,

those elves and whatever the hell else is out there. So that would be that

S six, 60 to replace the M three.

Nice new. Well, it didn't, he didn't say vintage, right? No, yeah. Yeah. My mind went to vintage,

but yeah. And then as far as family car goes, I don't know what, what is out there,

I guess like that new, the new spoon, the one that Clark has spoon and one, right?

But that's not a K car. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is. I thought it was a 1000 CC.

May I imagine? No, it's six 60. Oh, okay. Then it is. Yeah.

That's where I'm going. Then truck wise, I would go with the sickest.

Um, yeah, it's all, I guess I'm all Honda here.

Sickest Honda, um, four wheel drive, um, king cab or whatever they call those things that

give you like three inches of more room. Oh, the Acti. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah.

So he says, yeah, it does not need to replace your current fleet one to one,

but it does need to cover your current use case scenarios. So I guess just like

fun driving and daily driving. Right. Um, yeah, I, I, I want a Suzuki Alto works

are, which is like all wheel drive, three cylinder, 10,000 RPM, manual transmission,

like short geared hatchback. They're super cool. I actually still really want one. Like

at some point, so cool. I'm going to buy one regardless, you know, outside of this question.

Is that the one that has all the graphics on the side that it says like turbocharged?

Yeah, motherfucking. Yeah. Overhead cam intercooled, all the shit. Yeah. So,

but there was a one, there's the RSR, which is the common, more common one, quote unquote.

And then there was the works are, or the alto are, which was like the homologated one for rally.

And those have bucket seats, like they're lightweight. They have a shorter gear ratios

on the tranny, like all these little details to like make a more performance oriented.

Like I want one of those, um, as like a fun little Canyon Carver, which would be epic

and my tight twisty little narrow roads around here. Um, and I'm going to go vintage, uh,

on my other fun, like around town fun car. And I'm going to go with a Honda S 600,

which is like, you know, the really the first of those cars. Uh, it's still a K car, right?

So it's based on displacement and size. And you want a 600 over an 800? Well,

I can't because it's K car K cars, six, 16 smaller. Oh, you're right, dude.

So maybe I can swap it secretly, but it's not technically a K car, right? It is. Yeah. Yeah.

Cause it's, it's the dimensions and also the displacement. So it has to be like shorter

than 11 feet or whatever it is. Um, and it's, it definitely fits the bill. Uh,

they run yellow plates in Japan. I thought about that too, but they seem just very archaic

to drive. I know they're so cool looking, but they had like a one engine. They're like insane.

They're really though. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Dude, they're dual overhead cam.

I think they're 10,000 RPM red line and they have a like neat, like they're like roller

bearings, like, you know, they're, they're like super, super advanced. They're like a,

I mean, for lack of a better term, Swiss watch of a motor, but it's technically a grand seiko of

a motor. Yeah. Clark house, Clark house, one of those. I know I love it. And I've been wanting

to drive it forever. He has an S 800 and a 600. Yeah. He's got, and he told me that, uh, it is

not worth owning because they're super expensive to maintain and they're so hard to find parts

and parts are impossible to find, but like it's just basically like, uh, it's, it's just, uh,

you know, what do you call it? Not a paperweight, but it's like, uh, he told me a very specific

way that he described a certain way, but he like drives it, but he's always concerned, you know,

because if anything breaks, it's like impossible to find stuff and you have to basically make

stuff for it because there's just no parts, which is a total bummer. Um, but they're so cool. And

I love the size. I love the way they look. That engine's amazing. Um, and they do from an archaic

standpoint. So the S six hundreds have, um, a rear, they're fully independent suspension

and in the rear, they have their chain driven. So that's kind of funky. That's archaic motorcycle.

But the S eight hundreds were library or axle. So they're more traditional,

but that's not an independent setup. So that's why the, I mean, the 600 revs higher, you know,

it's like just a little more interesting to me, but, um, those two cars are my choices.

So driven. Where's the chain start and end? It goes all the way to the back. It's rear drive.

Yeah. So it's, it's actually on each axle. If it's, um, it's kind of, yeah, you have to,

I have to show you a lot to look at it. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't realize that. Yeah.

Crazy. Um, that's a, and then the S eight hundred isn't chain driven. Right. It's a live

better. Uh, dude. So N one is like a great, like I'm trying to replace cars. So I would say

that's a good, like a pull star alternative, I guess family car kind of thing, but it's also

sporty and kind of quick. Uh, and then for my little, I was thinking like a little hatchback

or something, but I had Nissan March turbo in my head, but I think they're too, I don't think

it's a K car dude. Now I'm looking. Oh, Marches are one leaders. I think, yeah. I think you're

right. Yeah. Cause I like those little March, like super, super turbos are pretty dope. Um,

with those little brown grills, we've had them at Radwoods before. Uh, so yeah, I don't know what

the alternative to that would be. Um, shit. I don't really know, dude. Maybe like, uh,

like a, I'll do a city turbo, city turbo too. Yeah. With the motor compo. Yes.

Yeah. Wait, but aren't those bigger displacement too though? I think those are one point three

leaders. Oh, you might be right. Are they really? I can't remember. Yeah. They're one point twos.

What the hell? Yeah. There's another one though. You should go to Japan someday.

Dude, what is it? The Honda? I think

hard life. Maybe you're Honda. All you see is little shit box. Oh newer ones when you're there.

Oh, the Honda today. So the Honda today is the it's even smaller than a city turbo, but it looks

similar. Those are, those are, uh, what do you call it? Um,

K car class or whatever it's 600 and I can go with that. I just want some little K car hatch

like a turbo hatch. I like it. So I know there's some Suzuki thing or yeah, Suzuki makes some stuff

like, oh, you already said the Alto works, right? Um, yeah, there's a Daihatsu version of that too.

Oh, the hot to super dope. Yeah. Yeah. That one's cool. I think Richard Chen has one of those.

He does. He does. That's a cool car. And then remember that one on the K car rally?

We went on Warren. What was that? That one guy had it and had all the graphics on the side.

Yeah. Okay. That's what I was asking if it was the same one was dope dude. It was very cool.

And uh, yeah, it's got all this stuff going for it too. I'm just like, yeah, weird, cool. Yep.

Um, automotive omnivore says, how does the church of DWA feel about E 30 convertibles?

They're obviously not the max performance variant, but they look so cool and make

you feel like a main character in an 80s movie. I love them. Thumbs up. Get a late one. Get a

later one with plastic bumpers. Dude. I think, uh, like M tech, M tech convertible is a car

that I will own eventually. Like I love them. I think they're super cool. They have the cool

interior. They have the M tech body kit and they also, um, um, they had like all these little,

like little details that were unique to them, you know, like, like they have a leather wrapped

ash and console and like, you know, all of the stuff. So it's, yeah, they're super cool. Um,

I don't know. I mean, I actually liked the, the, the metal bumper ones too. They have like their

own appeal, but, um, because they have like color matched rubber and stuff around the bumpers. And

so it makes them look better. And they're very like of the era, but, um, yeah, I mean the M tech

too would be, or the M technique version would be the one that I would want. Um, there was two

versions. One was the appearance package, which is the, those are the white ones and those don't

have like the actual like modifications, like more like performance oriented mods and stuff. And

they don't have the interiors that have the M tech rain or whatever it's called. Um, and then there's

the actual M tech two ones. Uh, you have to look it up. I can't remember. There's a code for those

and they're very rare. Those are red, silver and black. Uh, and there was like a deep metallic

blue one that's extremely rare and they made very few of those, but those are super cool.

And consider this, the E 30 convertibles were built through 93 or sold in 94 and they were

already making E 36 M threes in Europe at that time. So it was a weird time in BMW,

but those cars are like, they, they'd been making them so long and they're such sturdy,

robust cars. Anyways, that like the last of those, I think are pretty sweet. So they're very cool.

Yeah. Cool car. Um, Matt chewers. Hypothetically, if you ever move to another country, do your cars,

the, uh, Warren's M three lanes, nine 11 and artsy 30 specifically, hold enough sentimental value

that you would go through the process of importing it from the U S. So you could drive it around

there or would you start completely fresh? I'll go first. Okay. I, I think I'd start fresh dude.

I think a lot of like not selling a car is it's hard and it's hard. You know, it's like,

it's a lot of work and like having to like add that work to keeping it feels unnecessary.

Yeah. I think it's relative to where you're going. So how much is it going to cost to keep it?

Right. Let's say it's five grand, just throw out a number, $5,000. You get the car.

Um, it depends where you're going, right? Are you going to a city with not a lot of driving

options? Are you going to the best driving roads in the world? Like, yeah, ideally, I think I'll,

ideally you're looking for like a straight like swap, like you're going to be able to

drive it and have fun. But yeah, it's like, how hard, how hard is that car going to be able to,

you know, how easy it's going to be replicate that car there? Like with the M three, it feels

like you can just get like a Euro M three. So it's like a better thing, right? If you wanted to.

Yeah. The three is not sentimental. So that's an easy choice. The nine 11. The one thing I would

say is like, you know, with like my nine 11, it's like, I have, I do like when you buy these cars,

it's like nesting period and all this stuff. And look, there's all this stuff that I have,

like kept up on a maintenance and stuff like that. And it's like starting over.

There is a lot of money in like getting any car and what you have to, yeah, to get it dialed

and know like what's been done and all that kind of stuff. So there is a little bit of that, but

I think the, the cost and hassle of getting it there probably negates most of that.

Well, what I was going to say before our answers is that the M three and the nine 11,

there are always some for sale. Yes. Every day on bring a trailer,

haggardy marketplace, cars and bids, you can find a similar car.

It's really common. So that would be, that's one thing. It's just not a difficult car to

replace if you knew if you wanted one down the road. So art yours is a little different.

Yeah. So I mean, the first thing is like just being pragmatic about it. Like, you know,

what are the rules and laws around a swapped car? Right? Like where I'm going in theory, right?

Like if I take that car, is it even legal? Like can I register it? And there's all that, right?

So how, how is that experience? If we eliminate that as a factor and like in theory, I could

just take it anywhere because it's a vintage or classic. My mind immediately goes to forbidden

fruit, right? So like as soon as you leave the country, now we're accessing all the

shit that we don't have access to. So I'm going to like Cleo V six or, you know, or maybe an

Alpina or whatever, you know, so there's a bunch of other things that I would seek out.

I think, you know, this is a, I have a, I mean that car, this car in particular is a unique

experience and it's a unique package, but I think I'm not attached enough to it to, to say that,

you know, it has to exist everywhere I go. Like, um, I feel like I would be open to replacing it

with something else that I don't have access to here. Yeah. I think that's, that's a good point.

Just the ability to have a whole new pool of cars to choose from, like

you just open the, the classified, so to speak. And yeah, there's a bunch of cool stuff and it's

a pain in the ass to get a car across the world in general. So yeah, I think it can help us with

that. No, I know, but you know, just even the best people, like there's just issues that can come

up and, um, customs and, uh, yeah, all the stuff. So, um, the Van again would be more difficult to

part with just from a family perspective, but the M three, yeah, that's not, I'm not dealing

with that during the move. It's just, I'll get the money out of it and then go replace it with

something. I feel, yeah, I get that. I mean, I think also just with this car, it's, if it was,

you know, domestically here, like as I think about this car, like I have zero motivation to

sell it. Like, you know, it's like one of those things where like if somebody approached me or

something, you guys know, I don't give a shit. I'll say, you know, like if they offered me a

big number, but you're like, you're not looking forward to like marketing it. No, I mean, it's

just like, it's a very specific car for a specific purpose. And like, I would want a supplement.

Like it's not a car that I can like replace like this exact experience. So like, I think about

that. Like there is that factor. If I go overseas, I'm not replacing same for same because I would

have to get like a sport Evo or like, you know, some super expensive, you know, car like that.

So basically have this type of experience. The closest would be like an S 2000 kind of like,

but that's not the same. So I don't really care about that. I would be more just kind of like,

I'd be willing to let it go and say, all right, like now use those funds and put it into something

else when I'm, you know, whether it be Japan or Europe or wherever. Yep. I like it. Last question.

Pedal commute says, Hey guys, so my van again has some quirks. What the fuck HVAC controls?

What quirks do your cars have? I was going to say that you have to get that sticker. I think

go Westy sells it or something. If you haven't already pedal commute, there is a simple diagram

sticker you can add below the HVAC controls, which makes sense of it slightly. Without that,

it's like, yeah, unless you drive the van every day, very easy to forget what the hell's going on.

But, um, yeah, what quirks to your cars have guys? Come on quirks and features.

So you were talking about course and features, bops and bibles. The 9 11 is like one of the

quirkiest cars ever made. Speaking of HVAC, yeah, speaking of, it has three different fans,

fan controls, and there are three different places, two different places where you can

control the fan. No, they're all different fans, all different fans. Okay. That's great. So you

have the two red things that you pull up the levers, levers, the levers, which turn on a fan

to pump hot air from the, from the, uh, whatever the heat exchangers and see of those. And then

you have a dash fan for like clean air, uh, like fresh air vent and then you have an AC fan on the

center console on the face. See of that. And then you have like heat in a couple of places

and directing and you, and you have no idea what does what, and none of it really works great.

So the, the hot air coming from the engine, the hot air works, the heater works great,

but if that motor is burning a little oil, you're going to smell that coming kind of

through that ventilation. It's not like airtight, right? Um, sucking in chili dogs or what? So

if it's rusted out, it wouldn't be airtight. It's pretty, it's pretty, pretty good. Um, yeah,

I'm trying to think of the oil. Yeah. Oil can get in there obviously somehow, but yeah. Yeah,

not, not really. It's pretty fresh. Okay. Uh, yeah, that's, that is very quirky. Um, what else you

got? Keys on the left, bro. Yeah. Keys on the left, uh, filler, filler spot. I mean, mine

has crazy shit, dude. Like the, uh, intermittent wipers are a, like a knob, like you have the

wiper control on the stock. And then the air intermittent is on the flat part of the dash

next to the gauges. Oh yeah. That's the intermittent intermittent thing. The sunroof button is like

hidden underneath. You wouldn't even know it's there. Uh, mirror control is like hidden underneath

somewhere. Wouldn't even notice air fog light control is like weird, like way off in the

right in the middle of the dash, like everything's, everything's fucked. The pedals, the pedals hinge

from the floor and they're off set too. They're to the right. They're perfectly there. I love

the placement of the pedals. So, but yeah, but it is, it is a quirk. Transmissions. Okay. But not,

you know, it's G 50. Transmission. Transmission is great. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. It's really

good. It's like very normal car. Um, the engines in the back. I don't know if you know that

engines in the back, all the way in the very back. I don't know, dude. There sounds a weird

shit, dude. Yeah. Yeah. The van again is a good example of all that shit too. I mean, it's got

weird ass HVAC controls, motors in the back, the radiators in the front. You got coolant tubes.

You got junctions and fuel is the tank is in the front of the car, but the filler is behind the

front door. Um, it's just, yeah, there's a lot of like weird oil. Checking the oil is through

the license plate, the rear license plates. You open that. I use the filler cap to hold the license

plate open. It's got a, um, telescoping oil filler tube that slides out if you need to fill it. Oh,

that's cool. I do not. In addition, you need to, you should use a funnel as well because it's like

padding to get to the engine, which, uh, you know, as a whole thing in itself. So if you're

ever doing like repairs, you have to like move that out of the way. And then the whole door for

the engine comes off and you have to set that somewhere, like not against the van because

it'll scratch it. So like, and you don't want to fuck up the door thing. Yeah. Now there's one,

the van is a, it's a whole different thing. Yeah. Um, yeah. So this is either it is pretty,

pretty decent. Like they're actually pretty like normal cars. The one thing that I, that I like,

and it's not, I guess, I don't know if it's a quirk, but it's more of a feature is I love

locking and unlocking the car from the trunk because same, because, um, it's an, it's an

electric lock. So it has no resistance. So you can, you can do central locking from the trunk. So I

only use that one. Whereas the door locks are really stiff and I hate like the key, like putting

all that stress on the key. Um, so that's like a nice little thing. Um, the, this is a random one

with the e-golf. Uh, when you start it, if you, um, when you first start it and if you put it in

gear, you have no brakes for like a second and a half. Like, yeah, you have no, like no break,

no boost, right? So it's like your brakes are completely unboosted until it fires up.

And so then like it takes like well over a second and Camisa told me that one of his friends in

San Francisco rear ended a car in front of them, like parked downhill, which I totally believe

just to think about it. Like, you know, we've been there and like,

that feels like a lawsuit, dude. Yeah. It's, it's a solid delay. I'm sure people can look this up

like for, and cause my driveway is, is, is sloped. So like I, I definitely will roll down and I,

I know that I anticipated. So it's kind of fun, you know, but like you have this full on like

second delay. Crazy. My Tundra has zero quirks. It's like the most basic freaking form of

transportation. They didn't have a lot of options there. M three. Same thing. I mean,

it's pretty standard. Really? Oh, it has one big quirk. Oh, what's that? The steering wheel and

seat are cantered opposite directions. Actually, that's a good call. I kind of forget about it.

Kind of gnarly when you I'm saying like, yeah, I don't even think about it anymore. But yeah,

that is true. There is one not, not a quirk, more of a feature. There's a way, I don't remember,

I've done it years ago, but like you can get your OBC, the little LCD panel on the cluster

to display all sorts of shit. Like you put it into this mode. Have you done that where you can

get like oil, you can do oil temperature. You can do revs. You can do all sorts of stuff. Yeah,

it's a, you have to, it's like a sequence of buttons that you have to hold and with a key on

or something and you put it in this mode where that will show different information and you can

actually cycle through it, which is pretty sick. It's kind of fun. Yeah. There was a way to reset

the fuel gauge. When I was, when I bought the car, the fuel gauge was intermittent and then like

always showed empty basically and you can do similar thing like that where you like hold the

reset the odometer and hold that and then do something else and it just resets the fuel level

and goes back to where it should be. And then the next time you cycle the key, if it's still bad,

it'll fall off. Yeah, it's very strange. I don't know. My fuel gauge is shaky right now. It's doing

something weird on the 30 where it's like, you know how like the needle will bounce around?

I don't think it's a bad ground or something. You're trying to smuggle drugs in the fuel

tank or anything? Why did you tell everyone dude? Come on. Sorry dude. Just smuggling around town.

Dude, so much effort. I know. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And that's all man. That's all we got.

Somebody, oh, there was a rally prep question earlier, but I think we moved on. I did have

one thing that I still haven't fixed and I have a high idle problem that I've had for a while,

you know, and this randomly happened after the drive shaft kerfuffle because remember how I

used to idle real quiet and like exactly where it needed to like and we were you can even tell

it was on. I think even like Lane commented because it was so fucking loud when you were on it, but

it was silent at idle and and now it idles at like between 1800 and 2000 RPM and I, you know,

we thought it was the throttle body, changed the throttle body. I that fixed the idle that the fix

the throttle pedals sticking and surging problem, but I still have a high idle and I hadn't connected

it to the Honda app until over this weekend. Like I was trying to figure out what the hell is going

on and dude, we're back to that freaking throttle thing. So it thinks at idle that it's at 83%

open throttle and and and from there it sweeps normally like if I get on it like it'll go

all the way to 100 but the right now the idle like, you know, mixture screw or whatever on the

throttle plate is totally closed. Everything is as sealed as it can be and I just realized

because we're compensating for this fucking weird issue. And so the computer thinks that

the throttle position is at 83% at idle with no input Jesus. And I and you know what's really

annoying is this is had already been fixed once before. So I don't understand how it could go

back to this like I don't like it learned some weird thing or I don't know what is going on

disconnected or anything. No, since then. No. And so I called the tuner that tuned it originally

and he said, yeah, dude, I don't know. I have to kind of I have to go through the motions and

like bring it in and I put it on the dyno and do the whole thing. So but that's up in the East Bay.

Like so maybe a little morning motors or something. Three months now is the clock is ticking.

Yeah, but it's really annoying when you're when you're like hauling ass, it's fine because you

know you're above that and so you don't you don't sense it. But like driving around town,

it's like surging. So if you can imagine not like bouncing like surging, but if as you're

shifting through the gears, you're going from first to second. And if you're right in that rev

range, like it, it like revs up and then you shift and then it like bucks and it's so fucking

annoying, dude. No, it's kind of like what my mighty max was doing at the end. And I think it

needed a throttle body, but I wasn't going to invest in that truck. But it would idle super

high and it was intermittent. So it'd be like fine, I'd leave my house and I get to a stop light and

it was like, you know, you're like, yeah, sitting at a stop at 2,025 hundred RPM and it just sounds

terrible. Yeah. That will definitely wear on you over time. It absolutely has. Yeah. It's really

annoying. And I mean, to the point where I don't like want to drive it around town. If I go, I

actually did drive out to Ohio just for work on Friday. I just drove out to that one, that one little

hipster cafe. Highly likely check it out. It's really cool. I actually, I was going to take a,

I felt really self conscious because I was going to take like a pan video and send it to you guys

because I parked the E 30 out front and I was going to show the interior, but there were people

like at every table and like it was just going to be filming people. Dude, that's not like you to

feel. I know, but it's really cool. It's like, it's sort of like cozy Jetsons vibes. Like does

that make sense? Like just a lot of glass, but like you got the booths and like the booths are

all very warm, like tweed and a lot of wood inside and the food's really good. Good coffee.

Thanks, by the way, for those Berlin game recommendations. I went to Copenhagen. Oh,

sweet. Does that work? Yeah, do the job. Good. It was all good. I mean, I haven't been a Berlin

game in a long time. It is like Los Gatos light. It feels so like want to be bougie. I had no idea.

I just, it's pretty bougie. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I just had a Berlin game was a nothing

time to me, but the irony there are the funny thing I should say is that when we moved out of

San Francisco, our search for homes was Berlin game to Los Gatos. The bougie bumpers. Yeah,

bougie bumpers. I know exactly. It's funny. You don't go very far and it's like extremely wealthy or

not like totally industrial. Well, if you go east, yeah, if you go, if you go to, yeah, it's like

the other side of the tracks, right? Classic. Yeah. Classic. Anyhow, yeah, thanks for that.

Worked out well. Questions? No, not questions. Trivia, whatever we're doing.

It's trivia time. USA Today had an article the other day that caught my eye. It was about the

new car market and what's going on with sales. And here we are. Once again, boys, it's time

to tell me what the average new car prices in the United States of America. This is as of

September. According to Kelly Blue Book, average new car price, please average car price.

All right. I will say it is

$47,000. I will say from Lane might be high, but I'm going to go average 52 Bob.

52 art wins $50,080. That is crazy, dude. It makes a little 911 not feel that expensive,

any car, right? Like, but you're looking at it like if you're, you know, you would always,

yeah, the $50,000 is the average new car price. All these people. Wow. The article talks about

how the mid price market has dropped. The luxury high end market has been strong. It's almost as if

the mid, you know, mid range car buyers are just holding onto what they have

and not interested in trying to replace it like they would normally.

Dude, are the richer getting richer and the poor getting poorer?

I walked past the Ford dealer the other day and there was a new transit cargo van. So a panel van,

nothing special total. Like you would see any delivery plumber van, whatever

two seats, nothing, nothing in it, right? It was $60,000. Is that, is that like the same

as a sprinter that size? Or is that the small? Yeah, they make a, they make a sprinter that

size as well. This is a low roof, like, or not like a mid roof. No, it's not the connect art.

It's the bigger one. Okay. I connects the little small like focus based one or whatever. Yeah,

exactly. Dude, I don't know. All these pictures are overlanding. Well, then like our lifestyle.

My mind I was thinking, okay, this is what a $60,000 car looks on my mind. And I'm thinking

five series BMW, seven series BMW, an S class, like, obviously not. I'm joking. But what I'm

saying is that was like a 60 grand, got you a car that was like really nice and cool and interesting.

And now you can't even buy a cargo van from Ford. Yeah, I mean, you also can't go to like

dinner with a family of four for under 100 and something bucks. So, yeah, yeah, that's,

that's where we're at $50,080, 50 80 and no indication of softening according to this article.

So that's fun. That's pretty fun. And also, what are the new loan terms that he's seeing

in this article? It there's now a 96 month loan term. Wow, that is eight years

an eight year car loan, folks. Dude, you see what 72 months is the the longest you can get,

right? Always dude, but there's also like some gnarly ones that I keep here, like all these

like YouTube influencer types. I've seen that like they get all those super cars for like

if they're like 12 year loans or some shit and like, or like people buying like new,

you know, GMC trucks with a 10 year car loan and an insane amount of interest. Yeah,

Rick Deacon was doing that. Like those super long, like he was doing 15 year car loans because

he was flipping them, right? Like ultimately, I think that's what a lot of those YouTubers do.

It's like these 30 year or whatever 20 year fixed loans or whatever. Then yeah, they're just

it's fine. And then you're not, you don't really care. And you're not losing money on the car

because the car is not really losing value. Right. So it's just all about your ownership

costs of like your, you know, how much a month basically. Yeah, it's all about that. Yeah.

All right. Well, maybe we should do that. Maybe we could get a Sharon or a, you know,

100 year lease or something. What do you think? I just want a singer turbo or, you know,

nice or maybe even a roof, you know, if you guys are down. Yeah. Let's do it. We'll do a third,

a third of the year time share. Yeah. It'll need tires after lanes done with it. Apparently

fronts specifically. No rear specifically actually. Well, right now you're fronts,

but we need, how about like if we had a system where it could just be like transported back

and forth, like as you need it, like you just put it on a rail car. It just goes up the coast.

I thought about that actually, which when there were semi trucks going on a route,

if you could just hitch a trailer to the back of it and do like a flat toe

to wherever it's going, you know, like there's trucks that could have an extra trailer.

They only got one. Well, if they're empty, especially, right? They're like not leading.

So, um, yeah. Is this kind of like your, um,

checked luggage or carry on luggage, uh, system or something where you're like,

you have a conveyor belt or something. What are you saying?

Yeah. They have like trains, dude. You could just put like a million,

you could put like 20 cars on it, dude. Yeah.

We go across the whole continent. Yeah. Those are, those are land, land trains,

I think they call them, but they'll have like, yeah, 10 semi truck trailers attached to one

truck. Yeah. But I was saying, like, if you have a semi truck with one trailer and they could have

two, you could just, uh, you know, do a little car shipping that way,

put your thumb out, hold that your hand over, you hit them on, you pay them a hundred bucks.

You're done. Now my conveyor belt thing art was that there's a conveyor belt in the skybridge

to the plane. You stand next to your luggage and the conveyor belt takes it as you walk onto the

plane and then it goes to part of the plane with your luggage in that same order and then it comes

out. It's a spiral system. It's like, it's like, it's not quite checked, but it ends up in the

belly still. So you don't have to mess with it and slows everybody down in a lot. There's no

old ladies trying to grab their suitcase out of the, you know, six foot tall, uh, luggage

compartment that they can't reach and it makes no sense. Do it.

Cushman or whoever makes those jet bridges.

Exactly. All right. That's podcast. Thanks for joining us. See you next time. Bye. Bye.

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