James Golding and Aaron Cameron from Blanchard Racing Team share insights into their motorsport journeys, early influences, and recent successes. The conversation reveals James's unexpected passion for DJing and how it parallels racing, Aaron’s karting team mentorship, and both drivers’ evolving mindsets on racing strategy and teamwork. They also reflect on their beginnings, family racing backgrounds, and the importance of learning from experiences on and off the track. The episode offers a relaxed, candid look at their careers and personal stories behind the scenes.
We’ve built a Feature library that is mainly 1-on-1 convos but we’re breaking the mould with this one….and it was so worth it.
Rusty shoots the breeze with ‘Bieber’ and ‘Camo’ who are reveling in the step forward that BRT has taken in Supercars this year.
How motor racing started for each of them? The race cars in the Cameron family garage and has Aaron had a steer of them?
DJ’ing and why it’s an escape for Jimmy and is there any correlations to his day job. There’s a heart warming family story Aaron shares too that is truly inspiring.
What it was like at Garry Roger’s Motorsport for both of them and the hard yards they did in that period of their careers.
Enjoy being part of this ripper round table chat and get to know this likeable pair a little better.
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""I mean, I've got the little go-kart team that I do. There's nothing else you do that's not motorsport.""
A go-kart team is a group of people who race small, fast cars called go-karts. It's like a fun and competitive way to start learning how to race cars.
A go-kart team involves organizing and managing competitive kart racing, which is often a stepping stone for drivers aspiring to race in higher motorsport categories.
"...just going on the car tracks, trying to teach kids the basics, and really focused on not spending heaps of money at karting level..."
Karting means racing small, simple cars called karts. Kids and beginners use karting to learn how to race before moving on to bigger, faster cars.
Karting is a form of motorsport using small, open, four-wheeled vehicles called karts. It is often the entry-level discipline for young drivers to learn racing skills before moving to higher levels of motorsport.
"...trying to get them on a path to Supercars or wherever they want to go without spending millions of dollars."
Supercars is a famous car racing series in Australia where drivers race very fast, specially prepared cars. Many young racers want to compete there.
Supercars refers to the Australian Supercars Championship, a touring car racing category featuring highly modified production-based cars. It is one of the premier motorsport series in Australia and a common goal for aspiring drivers.
"...How much of that is you with advice around gearing, whatever, and how much of it is kind of driver coaching?"
Gearing means choosing how the car's gears work together to help it go faster or slower. It helps the car speed up or reach a higher top speed.
Gearing refers to the selection and setup of gear ratios in a vehicle's transmission and differential, which affects acceleration, top speed, and engine performance characteristics.
"...and how much of it is kind of driver coaching? I'd say we vary across all of that, but probably not heaps of the setup, gearing sort of stuff."
Driver coaching means helping drivers learn how to drive better and win races by teaching them skills and how to think during a race.
Driver coaching involves teaching racing drivers techniques and strategies to improve their performance on track, including mindset, racecraft, and decision-making.
"She raced the L34 Tarana and another family friend raced out"
The Holden Torana L34 is a sporty Australian car that was made to race in the 1970s. It had special parts to make it faster and handle better on the track.
The Holden Torana L34 is a special variant of the Torana, a popular Australian car, known for its performance in touring car racing during the 1970s. The L34 was a homologation special designed for racing, featuring upgraded engine and suspension components.
"in learning about motorsport. Can you remember that? I remember some early parts and she had quite a big crash in an ex-U1 back then which was quite a scary time when she broke her wrist and I realised motorsport doesn't actually have some risk to it which probably intrigued me a bit more."
Motorsport means racing cars or motorcycles in competitions. People race to see who is fastest or best at driving.
Motorsport refers to competitive sporting events involving motorized vehicles, including car racing, motorcycle racing, and other forms of racing. It encompasses various disciplines such as circuit racing, rallying, and drag racing.
"they were racing just at like club level. We went to watch them."
Club level racing is when people race cars or karts just for fun or competition in local groups, not as professional drivers.
Club level racing refers to amateur motorsport competitions organized by local or regional clubs. It is typically less formal and less expensive than professional racing series.
"one of the years at the club championship they made up like a ladies class for all the wives and girlfriends so mum went in that."
A club championship is a competition where racers take part in many races and the best racer over all wins the championship.
A club championship is a series of races organized by a motorsport club where competitors accumulate points over the season to determine an overall winner.
"Yeah so I actually started an apprenticeship working for Ballans in the Formula Forward team just wanted to learn more about the cars and stuff to help with my driving and then only a few months into that basically I got the gig at GRM and continued my apprenticeship there"
An apprenticeship is when you learn a job by working with experienced people, getting hands-on training while you work. It's like learning how to fix or build cars by doing it with others.
An apprenticeship is a system of training a new generation of practitioners of a trade or profession with on-the-job training and often some accompanying study. In automotive contexts, it involves learning practical skills in a workshop or racing team environment.
"I was in sub-assembly. So all the driveline parts up right"
Driveline parts are the pieces in a car that help move power from the engine to the wheels so the car can go. They include things like the driveshaft and axles.
Driveline parts are components that transfer power from the engine to the wheels, including the driveshaft, differential, axles, and related parts. They are essential for vehicle movement and performance.
"Yeah we went and watched the Junior Top Carts, big like Junior's only event at the start of the year and What year was that? 2011 Were you racing? Yeah it's the year I won the National."
Junior Top Carts is a type of kart race just for kids and young racers. It's a way for them to start racing and have fun.
Junior Top Carts is a karting competition category designed for younger drivers, typically serving as an entry point into competitive kart racing.
"That was my last year in kart. Was it? Now I went to Formula 4 the year after. It led to like literally a week later I think there was a kart in the driveway or something"
Formula 4 is a type of race with small, fast cars that young drivers race in after karting. It's like the next step to become a professional race car driver.
Formula 4 is an entry-level open-wheel racing category designed to be a stepping stone for young drivers moving up from karting to higher levels of motorsport.
""he was used around your own Formula Fords and stuff too didn't you yeah he worked he worked on my Formula Ford so it was it's all in my go-karts like he ran him we had people help us to get there but he was mechanically working on my mole would change the gear ratios in the Formula Ford we had one time where if you""
Formula Ford cars are small race cars that people use to learn how to race. They are simple and help drivers get better before moving on to faster cars.
Formula Ford is a popular entry-level open-wheel racing category, often used as a stepping stone for drivers aspiring to reach higher levels of motorsport. The cars are single-seaters with relatively simple mechanical setups, making them ideal for learning racecraft and car setup.
"...had four or five of the best years of my life in TCR and it was just such a fun team and good vibes..."
TCR is a type of car racing where cars that look like regular street cars race on tracks. The rules make sure the cars are similar so the races are fair and exciting.
TCR stands for Touring Car Racing, a popular global racing category featuring production-based touring cars with specific technical regulations to ensure close competition.
"...and all sorts of stuff from S5000. Yeah that's right I mean even obviously I got in full time in the supercars with GRM..."
S5000 is a type of car race in Australia with very fast single-seat race cars that look like old Formula cars.
S5000 is an Australian open-wheel racing series featuring powerful V8-powered single-seater cars, designed as a modern interpretation of classic Formula 5000 racing.
Formula Forward is a type of car racing where young drivers compete to get better and move up to big races like IndyCar or Formula 1.
Formula Forward is a junior open-wheel racing series that serves as a stepping stone for drivers aiming to progress to higher levels of motorsport such as IndyCar or Formula 1.
"to go into Super 2 and run with them
and that's
been a huge"
Super 2 is a racing series in Australia where new drivers learn and get ready to race in the main Supercars competition.
Super 2 is a feeder series for the Supercars Championship in Australia, designed to develop young drivers and prepare them for the top-tier Supercars racing.
"you kept building and building in a qualifying session
I just found that so much fun
just to keep trying to find those
limits in the car"
Before a race, drivers try to drive the fastest lap they can to decide who starts at the front. This time is set during the qualifying session.
A qualifying session is a period during a race event where drivers attempt to set the fastest lap time to determine their starting position on the grid.
"Trans Am chapter for you... at Trans Am obviously a little bit rough around the edges"
Trans Am is a car racing series where drivers race muscle and sports cars on tracks. It's a way for drivers to practice and race without spending as much money as in some other series.
Trans Am is a popular American racing series known for its muscle cars and touring cars, featuring competitive racing with production-based vehicles. It has grown significantly and offers a platform for drivers to gain experience in high-performance cars.
"you're managing a lot of things with the tyre and brakes and all that sort of stuff but at Trans Am... like the brakes are really probably too small for the car so they get hot quick"
Brakes help a car slow down or stop. In racing, if brakes get too hot, they don't work well, so drivers have to be careful how they use them.
Brakes are critical components that slow down or stop a car. In racing, brakes can overheat if they are too small or used excessively, which reduces their effectiveness and requires careful management.
"like the sequential shifter and right hand drive just everything is still pretty much the same"
Right hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car instead of the left. This is normal in some countries and changes how the car is driven.
Right hand drive refers to vehicles where the steering wheel is located on the right side of the car, common in countries like the UK, Australia, and Japan. It affects driving dynamics and vehicle design, especially in racing series that use cars from these regions.
""It's like yeah tyre pressure's right and drive good laugh and you've got that sort of thing.""
Tyre pressure means how much air is inside a tire. If it's too high or too low, the car won't drive as well. Racers adjust it to make their car go faster and handle better.
Tyre pressure refers to the amount of air inside a tire, which affects grip, handling, and wear. In racing, getting the tyre pressure right is crucial for optimal performance on track.
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A listener production.
I'm automotive commentator and journalist Greg Rust and this is Rusty's Garage.
Hi everybody and welcome to our latest feature ep of Rusty's Garage.
For this one I've bent the rules or broken the mould a little as they say.
I was originally going to interview Aaron Cameron from the Blanchard Racing team, one-on-one as we traditionally do.
But then Mitch Britton, the team's commercial manager, called and said,
Hey, what if we bring both drivers in and make it a longer convo on their careers and the recent success the team has enjoyed and more?
I didn't overthink it, which I'm probably a bit prone to doing and I'm pleased that I just went with his recommendations.
So Jimmy Golding is joining us too.
We all sat round our Melbourne Listeners Studios, the three of us.
It's a great chat as you'll hear from their respective paths that they took in their motorsport journeys early on.
The race cars in the Cameron Family Garage.
Has he driven them?
The roles both of them had beyond the driving at Gary Rogers Motorsport.
Nicknames, DJing skills. Does any of that even correlate to motorsport?
Jimmy's bath as podium and how he feels about the 2025 race with some time to look back on it now.
The turning point for Aaron at BRT and how much Golding is enjoying his new home.
Plus, Aaron shares an inspiring story on his dad and his mum for that matter really.
Keep an ear out for that or an eye out for it if you're watching us on YouTube.
Hope you enjoy the conversation.
Hello, you too. Where have you been before?
Let's look at the DJ here on the buttons already.
What are you doing? Adjusting volume?
Yeah, it's not going down.
It's not going down? Do you want me to adjust the volume for you?
Is it too loud?
Yeah, it gives the depth.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5. This is the James Golding. You found it?
This one.
You're happy?
I'll just stick to my expertise. I'll just have some water.
There's a lot of good kit outside that you would probably like to tinker with.
Yeah.
Old DJ, Jimmy.
Few buttons.
Few buttons.
There's never enough buttons.
Never enough buttons. When did you develop that kind of passion that love for them?
It was in COVID.
Was it?
Stuck at home, yeah.
Just tinkering? Like just mucking around?
Yeah, well, I sort of just wanted to do it fun. We just still do it fun.
But a little bit more seriously.
Same as racing, I suppose. Starts off as fun, doesn't it?
Don't underplay that. You start off as fun. It starts off as fun.
And now it's not fun.
You guys are having a great run.
Actually, on the DJ thing, you DJed an after party at Darwin last year and stuff like that.
I know in these moments when we're doing podcast stuff that you prefer to talk racing, obviously,
but you clearly do get a lot of enjoyment out of that, don't you?
Yeah, it's good to have another outlet, something you can also focus and get better on.
It's actually got a lot of similarities to racing, which people probably wouldn't think about,
but the timing and decision making and all that sort of stuff,
obviously, when you're mixing tracks, you've only got so long on plays for,
so you've got to pick the next track in time.
That depends how you do it, but that's how I like to do it.
I have a big playlist with heaps of tracks and just pick on the fly
and you've got to pick the right track that everyone wants to hear.
Now, in MCing, when you're learning a bit of that stuff,
they teach you about reading the room and stuff, too.
You have to do a bit of that, don't you? What music resonates?
Yeah, definitely. I mean, places that I play at, it's kind of a bit more...
You know, you sort of know the crowd, so it makes it easier.
What's the go-to at the moment? Have you got go-to tunes at the moment or artists?
Oh, not really. I've got a pretty big library.
But yeah, we've been making a few tunes recently, so on the Don't Think Spotify,
look that up, don't think.
Don't think, okay.
Don't think, just look it up.
Have you got a hidden superpower like that?
Do you get subjected to this in the car on the way to the track?
Yeah, it's been a big learning process.
I'd say this year, me and J.C. used to just put on whatever music,
and this year's Jimmy's constantly changing the song.
He's got to find the right vibe of the song, what he wants.
So, no, it's a big change.
And there's something I don't care about, not offense Jimmy,
but yeah, that's his domain, and he can be the car.
So what's your outlet then? What's your thing?
Do you have one? Do you have time for one?
I don't probably say I do, really.
I mean, I've got the little go-kart team that I do.
There's nothing else you do that's not motorsport.
I go mountain bike riding, love that.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, so I do a fair bit of that, like, all the time.
So I think me and Maddie Payne ride the same track
in Listerfield there.
But not together.
Not together.
I sort of brought it up, and he quietly declined to go riding with me,
so he must say,
No, I'm fully okay with that, because I reckon he'd be a beast on the bike.
I just like to just slowly, gently go down and try not die each time.
For people that don't know, tell them more about the karting side things.
Obviously, you have a background in that now you're playing in that spice a little bit.
Yeah, the karting stuff just sort of happened before.
I got the Supercar main game driver.
Just one car chop sort of closed down,
and then there's a few customers that all sort of wanted to have someone run a team.
And yeah, just do another guy, Cooper,
and it's fully Victorian state-based stuff,
and I just have so much fun just going on the car tracks,
trying to teach kids the basics,
and really focused on not spending heaps of money at karting level,
because it's so early in your motorsport career.
It's easy to spend so much money now,
trying to get them to understand that you need it all for a lot later.
It only gets more expensive.
And now I'm just trying to help a few of those kids,
trying to get them on a path to Supercars or wherever they want to go
without spending millions of dollars.
That's my priority.
How much of that is you with advice around gearing, whatever,
and how much of it is kind of driver coaching?
I'd say we vary across all of that,
but probably not heaps of the setup, gearing sort of stuff.
I try and focus on mindset of racing,
of like when you should and shouldn't make a pass,
and what to do at starts, when to block, when not to block,
and it's probably like we'll probably get to at some point
my incident with Brody at Sydney,
where my mindset's so much about thinking,
and trying to think ahead and prevent things from happening,
and obviously I learn a lot from that incident in Sydney,
but trying to help these kids understand what's going on in the races.
You don't always have to be the fastest car on the track.
Do you sort of learn, think the mindset stuff,
and that's open to you as well.
Amanda, do you subscribe to a bit of that?
Yeah, I'm subscribed to Aaron's tips there.
Obviously I should probably take note
after you bet me off the line at Sydney.
I think it's something you're constantly learning and adapting.
It's always going to be different as well,
like you can't go, I just got to do that every time,
because you're always in new situations
where actually it's a bit of a different scenario
with how the track went or it was a similar corner
as a couple of rounds ago, same thing side by side,
but this one you can't stay around the outside
because it's too slippery.
So yeah, you're constantly learning and getting better at that.
I think that's probably the biggest thing that changes in racing, I reckon.
That and also learning the set up stuff with the car
and getting better at that with feedback.
You're still immensely young at heart, mate,
but you turned 30, I think, if I'm right in January.
Don't say it too loud.
No, I'm not.
To me it's just a number.
How different is James Golding now to when James Golding
kind of first started out as a racer
and in that mindset stuff that you're talking about?
Yeah, a lot different.
I wish, as a lot of people would say,
I knew what I know now back then.
But yeah, I'd say that's probably the biggest difference.
I think a lot of us obviously to get to the top level
have got the skill to do it,
but it's all those other bits and pieces,
the in-betweens working with the team.
All that mindset stuff Aaron's talking about
is what makes a difference?
The early days, can I come to a little bit of that
for both of you and feel free to dive in here?
For you, I think the family
have got a bit of history.
Your mum raced some cool stuff.
Was it Taranas and things? What was she driving?
I'm trying to remember.
Yeah, she was in the historic group CNA stuff.
She raced the L34 Tarana
and another family friend raced out
in an ex-Tarana.
Big involvement back then and that
and that's how I got my start
in learning about motorsport.
Can you remember that?
I remember some early parts
and she had quite a big crash in an ex-U1 back then
which was quite a scary time
when she broke her wrist and I realised motorsport
doesn't actually have some risk to it
which probably intrigued me a bit more.
That was the first part
of getting involved and seeing what it's all about.
Living the dream now.
You two have got a cheeky way about you with that.
There's always a bit of underline.
What about... I actually don't know with you
my old boss David White shared
that you were both involved
in that lovely Gary Rogers tribute pod
that I did last year.
He reminded me about a great story
of you being on a train
as a teenager and making your way
into Gary Rogers motorsport
and doing the hard yards.
How did it all kick off for you?
Yeah, well going back
into karting
I think it really started when my cousins
they were racing just at like
club level. We went to watch them.
Dad and I and then
he asked if I wanted to give it a go
and then got a couple of karts, got into it.
Then my sister started as well, not too long after
and then my mum even raced as well
so all four of us were racing
one of the years at the club championship
they made up like a ladies class
for all the wives and girlfriends so mum went in that.
Poor stress for Dad on the hip pocket.
Shared the same kart, they were bolt
and lead on and off so they had different weights
for each class anyway. And then that year
we were all literally lined up
to win the club championship
Dad in over 40s or sister in junior national
anyway. And
before the last round
my mum actually fractured
her rib in the go kart
and she couldn't race the last round
so she did like D&S
or D&S everything.
No points, still finished second
and all the rest of us won the championship
so we all would have won it
but yeah I don't let her live it down now.
I'll say surely you could have just dealt with the pain.
And what transition from there
for you in terms of ultimately
I mean there's been a bit of formula forward in there
and what have you but leading into
Gary's mate how did
the introduction to GRM come about
and all that sort of stuff.
Yeah there was a bit of
sort of coming in from both directions
to get in there.
I actually knew Scotty McLaughlin
already mates with him
for a go karting. And then
also happened to be
my next door neighbour
his dad or his
grandfather was like best
mates with Gary. Just like
coincidentally that we'd grown up next to
So you leverage that.
Yeah so I actually started an
apprenticeship working for Ballans
in the Formula Forward team
just wanted to learn more about the cars and stuff
to help with my driving and then
only a few months into that basically
I got the gig at GRM and
continued my apprenticeship there and
yeah I didn't have a licence back then
so I was only 17 and just rode
my bike to the train station. Trained from Morrigal
down to Deane Young South
back on the bike. Rain Halishon
I was getting drenched by trucks in the middle of winter
and everything. You name it.
What were you doing, I can't remember what you were doing
because he always gave everybody a job
in the workshop. Was it fabrication? Where were you?
I was in sub-assembly.
So all the driveline parts up right
You used to handy? Like if someone said
to you today can you give us a hand at BRT
Yeah I don't
want to interrupt any of the boys
they've all got their jobs and
I'll leave them to it but if
anyone's stuck I can definitely give you a hand.
Coming back to the karting stuff I think you're about
age 11, Oakley did
dad take you out and you were more or less hooked
from there, what happened? Yeah we went and watched
the Junior Top Carts, big like
Junior's only event at the start of the year and
What year was that? 2011
Were you racing? Yeah it's the year I won the
National. So I was like
I wouldn't have been watching Jimmy Golding
and then I was like I was just hooked
from there I was like I love it and
That was my last year in kart. Was it?
Now I went to Formula 4 the year after.
It led to like literally a week later
I think there was a kart in the driveway or something
I can't remember the exact timeline
but pretty soon we got a kart after that and then
next minute we were you know hooked
just at the track every weekend and just
cut and lapse and trying to really
get home the craft and catch up
because a lot of kids started at 7
or 8 and I'm already 3-4 years behind so
we had a lot of work to do
early on there. Did it come naturally
as they say? Was there a
phase of hard?
There would have been a phase at the start where I was
just absolutely useless I can guarantee that but
it must have come pretty naturally because
I remember
like after
the first like second year in we were already winning
the club championship stuff
at Todd Road so yeah just
yeah had an absolute that was the most fun times
that's what I tell the kids in the kart team now
telling us the most fun you'll ever have after that
it just gets a whole lot more expensive
and a whole lot more pressure so enjoy it
whilst it lasts. Something happens here around
like year 11 and you have
a serious conversation with mum and dad like
I'm done I want to go racing
this I don't forget school kind of thing
was it along those lines?
Yeah I wasn't very that good at school I wasn't very
interested so at the end of year 11
I pretty much just said to them that I have no
interest in going to university or
doing any further education
racing is what I want to do
so like I don't
there's no point doing year 12 I'm just going to go there
and if you want me to pass I'll pass but I'm not getting an ATAR
I'm not going to uni so
You got further than me I only did year 10
I look good here
but don't you reckon that's a great
for all the kids that are listening don't you reckon that's a great thing
like I'm self taught when it comes to broadcasting
I'm last bastion in that sense I didn't go to uni
or whatever it's not to say that
you wouldn't recommend in some careers
that people should go to uni for what they're doing
I think if you know where you want to go
and you can do it by just getting into it
then just do it. Exactly
but if you're still unsure you may as well just keep going
and learn you know. But the secret to both of you
then is clearly application
tenacity don't die wondering
like get in and give it your absolute all
Yeah that's right I mean the things
you learn first hand practically
with racing especially
karting and all that like
you know you come up through the ranks
and drive with different teams and that
you work with different people and a lot of the people that
have raced themselves or have done
go karting speedway they're all just
so much more doled into
what you're talking about when you're talking about the car
or even just working on the car they just
they just get it and they may have
been like me dropped out of year 10
and they've just been
working on it ever since
No reason you can't succeed
that's the dozen I don't believe it holds you back
I'm happy to cut this out if you
don't want to talk about it so you because it might be quite
a personal thing but
I gather mate your dad is
vision impaired he's quite an inspirational
man from what I can gather with
marathon running around the world this year and stuff
like that can you share and he does
your mum more or less
talking through some of the races and things
is that what happens?
Well obviously I'm racing these days so I don't
exactly know what happens but the general
idea is she's got to talk
through what's happening on the race whether it's
good or bad so you learn
to become quite a good commentator
for the whole man whether it's for me watching
F1 or whatever we're watching so
he's been
an inspiration for me for ages lost
he's had sight and lost it funny enough
once I was born he decided he didn't want to see
anymore so it's slowly got worse from there so
it just got worse and worse
and then he's just gone from
strength to strength I think and in that persistence
in finding what he loves and he was big into his bike
riding, riding bike nationals and
all this stuff and now he's right into his
marathon running trying to do the is it the
seven or eight marathons you do around the world and you get a
special medal in New York and stuff like that he wants
to do all that stuff I think he's done New York he's got a couple more
to do now and I think he's got to do Sydney so
yeah look and
with a guy like that as your dad it's like
yeah things are achievable
yeah exactly I don't have
excuses to not go out and then try and do my best
and everything that I can so
yeah it's a real inspiration for me and I
think everyone around him just makes us all
very accountable and he was
used around your own Formula Fords and stuff too didn't
you yeah he worked he worked on my Formula Ford
so it was it's all in my go-karts
like he ran him we had people help us to
get there but he was mechanically working on
my mole would change the gear ratios in the
Formula Ford we had one time where if you
got to put a washer in in the gearbox and
we learned pretty quickly put that washer
in because there was gears everywhere
but after that we were checking it
and yeah he's he's an incredible
incredible guy I love that
I love that thank you for sharing it people
along the way in your journey are whether it's
parents or whatever are important you've talked about
Gary already what was the first
kind of introduction for both of you like you
talked about the connection and and maybe
you know friends of family and whatever
helping you to get there can you recall
the first kind of meetings there
yeah it would have been at GRM
the interview kind of thing
you were you on the forward foot picking up
the phone can I meet you what ahead did
you don't quite remember that part I think
I just sort of got the interview and then
he was there and you know he's like he's a
pretty forward full-on guy I was pretty
scared the meetings were short often
yeah doesn't last long it's just
that's all it is and off you go kind of thing
so um yeah but
he said a good good precedent
for the whole team and for myself and
yeah the things that I learned there I've definitely
carried on for the rest of my career
Nicknames were for everybody did he give you
Beber or where did that come from
he gave it to me so yeah at the time when I
started my haircut was similar to Justin
B was that hair flick he had going on
and then like a year after
he had the bleach blonde shaved head
but it just stuck and I'm like well I don't
even look like him now
but it sticks and it always
he'd always send me articles of stuff
that he was in the news for
like oh what have you done here
so good
much misty sense of humor can you
remember your early interactions that you
picked up the phone quite early on
didn't you maybe yeah I think it was the
end of no before the first year at TCR
2018 or something or 2019 yeah
started 2019 Roman Cloud called him first
for me and then I spoke to Gary on the phone
and it was the conversation wouldn't
have gone 30 seconds right yeah
would come in for a meeting and it was
just it was just so fast I didn't know
if that was good or bad at the time and
went and had the meeting and again that
probably lasted all of three minutes and
and he didn't have a drive for me anyway
that first year and I planted a seed though mate
and he already knew before that meeting
that he didn't have a drive for me which was
fine but he was just wanted to meet me and
see what I was about and then I come back
the next year and played in my case and
had had a pretty good year and then
probably had four or five of the best years of my life
in TCR and it was just such a fun team
and good vibes
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