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About this episode
The episode dives into some exciting automotive news, including Ken Block's iconic Porsche 911 SC up for auction and a wild story about a man driving an F1 car on city streets for six years before getting caught. The hosts debate the value of celebrity-owned cars and racing memorabilia, emphasizing the importance of provenance and the difference between genuine racing history and mere celebrity association. They also discuss the ongoing Cobra project, detailing the challenges and triumphs of custom car building, including drilling difficulties and e-brake installations.
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f1 car street driving
celebrity car value
racing memorabilia
cobra project updates
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Hello. Welcome to CarCast.
I'm not the moderator, DeAndre, here with Bill Goldberg.
How are you? Well, there you go. That's a big knife.
You see this right here?
Yeah.
There is a parallel, right?
This was one of the gifts I was given at Bristol, you know,
for doing the driver introductions, you know, the Trojan.
Yeah.
Such a huge hunting knife.
I feel like chopping my head off right now
because everyone knows I'm right dab in the middle of this Cobra project.
And if you look at me, I look like I'm 900 years old
because I've been spending 90% of my time in this freaking garage.
And I can't believe I'm admitting this,
but I spent three hours trying to drill a hole yesterday.
Okay. Explain that.
Like I understand the concept of what drilling a hole.
That's why I want to cut my head off.
I can't understand why it took me so long
and why I didn't embark upon a different way
of going about what I was going about.
But let's just say that, remember the indentation in the frame
where the drive shaft or the yoke actually jumped down
and smashed the frame. Remember the indentation.
Well, first and foremost, we're leaving it there
because I think it's a badge of honor.
I'm not going to clean it up.
But number two, Manny and I tried to sit and reenact
what could have happened to have actually done that.
And it's literally five inches away from the yoke
that actually jumped down there and hit it and made the mark.
And I mean, how in God's name did that happen?
So we tried to break everything down logically.
And at the rear of the frame,
the rear end is bolted behind the rear end,
the rear frame which holds the trunk of the cobra,
of the replica.
They're just two brackets that go straight from the rear housing,
not the rear housing, but the rear housing area
to the back of the frame of the vehicle itself.
So it's structural.
It's holding on the rear of the fiberglass.
But it also is attached to the other part of the frame.
It's welded to another part, but it's bolted in the rear.
So very long story short,
we're assuming that we actually were able to catch traction
at some point and the rear end separated.
And it threw the inertia and the separation.
It moved the driveshaft down when we caught traction.
That's the only thing we can think of.
So to make an extremely long story short,
we were going to add another bolt to further stiffen
the rear of the frame.
And it's a half-inch piece of metal
that I have to get through.
And it's three-quarters of an inch whole.
So it's a good-sized bolt.
I broke two bits.
I got one bit stuck in the hole.
I had to drill that out.
Then I had to put it this way.
I should have taken a picture of all the utensils that I used
to get that hole actually done.
It took me three-and-a-half hours to do it.
And I went through four batteries on the Milwaukee.
I didn't break them, but I literally costed all four of them.
And I'm embarrassed to say it, but I spent that much time on it.
And good Jesus Christ getting through.
I mean, I used step bit.
I used the smallest bit I could do in the beginning.
And I progressed up.
I used step bits.
I broke one of those.
Man, I...
Okay.
What kind of rear end is in that car?
Is it a live axle?
Is it an independent?
It's a straight axle, right?
It's a Jag rear end.
Let's take a look at it.
Okay.
So it's an independent rear end.
So it's basically solid mounted.
It's got half shafts.
So yeah.
So the pumpkin there, the center section wouldn't normally move.
No, it wouldn't normally.
Right.
Cause like, if you had a live axle with leaf springs,
it could twist a little bit.
And this is more of a solid mounted thing.
Yeah.
So, oh, I see where I see the frame there where it hit.
So...
So I step it up the frame by that bolt in the middle right there.
Oh, I see.
So you added that bracket that goes to the rear.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
So you know exactly what I did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As we're taking a look at it.
Yeah.
Kind of odd.
Does the rear end twist that much with that much power?
I mean...
There's only so many, put it this way.
There's only so many things that could have been.
Cause there's only so many moving parts on the vehicle that are attached.
You know, the rear of the vehicle that could make it do that
or allow it to do that, right?
So I don't know.
That was our best guess.
But the mounts for the rear end, do they have rubber isolators
or are they solid mounted or is it like a Delrin or aluminum isolators?
Like the pumpkin that's mounted to the frame, how is it mounted?
Is there...
It's solid mounted.
It's just solid mounted.
So full vibration and everything.
There's nothing.
Because I was like, if there's a little bit of like rubber isolators
and maybe you squished them, you twisted them and it could hit.
But yeah, interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, but that's the only thing we could come up with.
And so that was my, that was me rectifying the situation.
And so I explained that and show it to you.
But just an extremely simple task compared to everything else
I've been doing on the car.
And you know, normally what you're going to do,
I had to drill a hole.
It took me freaking three hours.
Okay.
So now you need new drill bits.
Oh yeah.
Home Depot.
Thanks guys.
Yeah.
You need new drill bits.
But I mean, it's good to know that the metal frame is strong.
I mean, if it took that much effort to just drill through it,
it's not...
I didn't work out last night because I got one hell of a
workout, you know, trying to shove that.
It was horrible.
I'm so embarrassed that that took me that long.
I should have just brought a torch out or something at that
point, man.
I was...
I don't know.
Yeah.
Right.
Just burn a hole through it.
100%.
Okay.
Well, but you got it.
You got it.
And it's done.
And, you know, those, like those things, those things
happen.
People don't understand, you know, when you post the video
and say, Hey man, you know, next video is coming out.
It's going to be the body going back on the frame.
But, but truly, unless you've done this before,
you really don't understand what could go wrong.
What the, you know, there's one thing right now again that
we're waiting on so that the body can go back on the
frame.
Yeah.
And, okay, so here we go.
A trans-mounted e-brake.
Yeah.
So I saw, and I saw the post because we talked last week
about different handles for that.
What were you going to do?
Try out a couple of things, maybe make shift some stuff to
make sure you make something or machine something.
But yeah.
So what happened on the, on the e-brake?
Sort of a.
Well, a rig from CGC wanted to fabric, he wanted to fabricate
a carbon fiber mount for it, right?
Get all elaborate.
But the reality is you're not going to see it.
So it doesn't matter what it's going to look like.
So at the end of the day, Manny came over and I'm
about to post the video because it's an interesting
video.
On the TKX, I'm sure similar to other transmissions, there
are a number of points that you can go off of.
Number of applications that those transmissions are used
for, obviously.
So there's different mounting points wherever you're
applying it.
So we have a couple of extra points.
So we're going to go like, Manny did a piece of cardboard
and then he traced that down with on piece of aluminum,
then bent the aluminum and made basically the bracket
that we want, that he's going to replicate with steel.
Really cool placement, easy.
Our issue obviously is the size of the tunnel.
Because if you mount something directly on that
transmission, right?
Do you have enough room between that transmission?
Yeah.
And the existing tunnel because you're not calling for any
room prior if you're not mounting something to that.
So anyway, long story short, again, we're going to
drill another hole vertically.
It's on the inset of the shifter.
So it's closer to me.
It's not on the other side of the box.
Right.
Not the passenger side.
It's on my side.
On the driver's side.
And it's vertical.
So it'll be vertical.
It'll be like four inches away from the shifter.
Painting a picture here because you mentioned the
transmission, but we're talking about an e-brake.
You're making a bracket that comes off of the
transmission to mount the e-brake handle because
there's nothing else under there to mount to, right?
There's no other frame pieces.
And the tunnel is just sheet metal or whatever.
So there's nothing really to mount to there.
So to give it more of a solid mount, because if you're
going to do sort of like a drift style e-brake, you
made a bracket that comes off of the transmission.
It's next to the shifter of the transmission coming
through the tunnel.
But it'll be next to you in between you and the
shifter of the transmission.
Yes.
But you'll be able to shift the car fine.
And we did all the measurements.
It's like four inches away.
Four inches closer to me than the shift knob.
The existing knob.
And it's a vertical throw.
And it's a pull.
So you can angle it.
So I mean, we can make the bracket.
The cool thing is that there are, like I said,
there are different mounts on any transmission.
So you can come off of any other existing bolt.
You just keep your fingers crossed that it's doable.
And we'll have a flat bracket, flat steel bracket
that'll have all the rigidity needed for me pulling this thing
back.
And it'll mount off of existing mount bolts with the TKX.
Yeah.
Like I said, we have three points.
And our biggest issue, the e-brake that we're using is
really streamlined.
It's really, and it looks like the mounts for the masters
are sideways to give you more room.
Yeah.
So you can custom place that thing just about anywhere
you can fit it.
And I think it's going to be great, man.
I think it's going to be great.
Manny hopefully should get the bracket done today, tomorrow.
We'll get it over here.
And then we'll find out the placement for the other hole
that we have to drill.
And if we have to, we can cut out part of the tunnel
and do a little bubble if we need a little bit of room
on the fiberglass.
But these are things that I'm learning that are a pain
in the ass.
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of fiberglass work.
Fiberglass work makes it itchy.
But man, I'm having so much fun.
But it is such a pain in the ass
that you get to a point where you think you're about to make
a major step, like putting the body back on.
But then there's one thing that prohibits you from doing it.
And then that one thing, the radiator,
we're waiting on the radiator to put the damn thing.
Radiator gets here.
And then we have the shifting issue,
because I'm not going to put the body on it.
I'm not, you know, without considering if the e-brake
on the trans would work.
And now that we know that it'll work,
I mean, the car's going to be so much cooler with it, right?
So it just extends the build for another four days
or another week, you know, until you put it on.
Right.
And also, keep in mind, when you put the body on,
plan on doing that like seven times.
Fudge that.
No.
Because it's...
I don't want to do it seven times.
That's why I'm trying to do almost every single thing
that I can do right now before that body goes on.
You know, I drove the holes for the seats,
mounted the seats, did the, you know,
Holly was nice enough to throw in some Simpson harnesses,
got those put in, and, you know,
all the little tiny, tiny details of the tiny details.
I have three more wires to finish up all the wiring.
And then the dash can go back on.
You know, but the dash couldn't go back on
because the tab, we broke the tab off
and the rivnut fell out.
So we had to put fiberglass and make another tab.
And then, you know...
More itching, more itching.
How did the windshield turn out?
How did you guys solve the issue with a little bit of the gap?
Still, we have to mount the left side of it.
We got two more bolts to fix the thing permanently.
I think that it is going to be fine.
I mean, we've got...
There's no daylight coming through.
Okay.
That's pretty good.
Right.
Fingers crossed.
Okay.
Well...
One little tiny...
You know...
I know it's getting there.
It's getting there, though.
You know, I have, you know,
two bolts that I have to replace here before this...
Yeah, it's just one thing after another.
But we're good.
We're good, man.
We're so close.
That's why it's so frustrating.
But you want to get all the details done
before you move to the next step
because you know what a pain in the ass it's going to be
to pull that body on and off.
Although it's only got six or eight bolts to it.
But you know...
We're there, man.
It's so freaking close.
It's so close.
I mean, I literally could see...
We're waiting on the steering knuckle,
the final knuckle to get the steering column to the shaft
because one spline and one's...
You know, the eye did it.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
And so we're waiting for that,
but that can be done after the body's on.
The only thing we're waiting for
is to run the hydraulic line from the e-brake
and drill the hole for the e-brake
and we're good.
Then the body goes on.
How does the body mount?
Is there mounts?
Is it solid mount?
Or does that have like isolators
or something in between it?
I mean, it's...
The only thing it has in between it
was like prior they were like,
I don't know, like vinyl pieces of tape, right?
Oh, okay.
And so I replaced those, you know,
that's the old school stuff.
It's like on jeeps, right?
It's how the willies was mounted.
I replaced it with, you know,
kind of some squishy foam material, right?
Yeah.
It's as basic as you're gonna get.
Yeah.
Yes, I mean, it's
simpler than a lot of other projects for sure.
But look,
because of that simplicity,
it allows you to give every little thing
the attention to detail that,
even overkill, like you were saying.
You've been changing bolts and polishing
and cleaning and painting and coating
and every little thing on it.
You know, and yeah, you know,
even when I was doing
on my Mach 1 that I had,
when we did the carbon fiber hood,
we showed it for a little while,
which is the carbon fiber hood,
but I knew that I'd have to put
fasteners in the hood.
I'd have to do some sort of
push button.
The picture, they think it's done.
But then you're like, oh, I showed it.
It's done, but it's really not done.
It's like the hood pins.
Yeah.
So I had to do like the push button hood pins.
And so when I did those,
the hood's painted, right?
And I'm taping it off
and I'm drilling through a carbon fiber hood.
You've talked about it many times, nervous.
You only get one shot at it, right?
So I do that.
And I take the paint off,
sorry, take the tape off.
I set it in there.
I was like, adjust it.
Everything fits.
And then so in between,
imagine the round, you know,
satin black powder coated or anodized
push button hood pin,
the two buttons you push.
So what I did was,
is then I took a couple pieces
of just like over the counter
PPF material and I cut out a circle
the size of that pin
and I put it on that hood
and then I cut the hole out in the middle.
So when those round discs,
if you will, those push button,
I made a little bit of PPF
that sits in between that
and the paint of the hood.
Just in case every time I close the hood
if they slide just a little bit.
And what I didn't want was like around the edges
to start to wear off the paint.
And?
It came out great.
I'm glad I did it.
I had the benefit of them coming out here
and PPFing the entire car
and holes were already done
and they weren't mounted in there.
But my problem now is,
which is another reason
I can't put the body on yet
because the hood's already attached.
So the hood, the hinges are already,
so the hood's already on.
So you know the push buttons,
they have obviously when the hood is closed,
you push them and then it bounces up
and you get the distance
so you can pull your hood up.
My springs aren't taught enough
to be able to push it up.
So you push the button
and it doesn't pop up.
So what Manny did was he got bolts
and then he welded the springs to the bolts
and then put a washer on top of the spring.
So at the bottom is a bolt.
It's welded to a spring.
The top washer is welded to that
that has the diameter large enough
for the little hole to go through.
So you see where I'm going here?
You close the hood and the spring depresses.
Well, the spring's not strong enough.
So when you push the hood, it doesn't come up.
So we're trying to find that size
and that spring to be that strong enough
to be able to push it back.
Just to pop it up a little.
And now you close the hood and it won't open.
So we can't put the body on
because you can't close the hood
if they get to the edge of the hood.
So yeah, it's just a little,
yeah, I got them.
They're beautiful.
I love them.
They work functionally awesome.
So we're just looking at a picture real quick,
but yes, so underneath this,
the shape of this
has a clear PPF underneath it
of that's the push pin.
So those of you watching on YouTube.
You used to have the entire car
before you put those on.
Yeah, so I didn't do the PPF
on the whole car and everything.
And when I was mounting those,
I just wanted something there.
Now I could, you know,
anybody could just unscrew them,
remove the things and then
and then PPF the hood if you wanted to do that.
Yeah.
So there's the spring that you're talking about
that pops the hood up
because the hood comes down reverse, right?
On the Cobra, the hood comes down
and it closes at the windshield basically
at the firewall.
It doesn't open forward.
So when you close the hood,
now a Cobra may have the handles
like when you close the hood and you twist them.
But it doesn't have that on here.
It's cool and all,
but functionally and aesthetically,
I think it's too old school
and I completely away from that.
And I don't like those handles in,
in all honesty,
those handles don't fricking work
because this car is so damn violent.
It shakes them loose
and I have to stand up in the fricking car
over the windshield and,
and you know,
and fix them again.
So yeah,
I think that's,
that's exactly my point on,
on when you're developing
or building cars like this and modifying this,
that's maybe something you look at aesthetically
and go, I like the handles,
but then once you finish the car
and drive it,
you realize the handles don't work.
They come loose and whatever.
So you need some real world
experience in doing it.
So, you know,
and there's going to be some things that
need to be dialed in once the car is done
and is on the road
and you're going to realize maybe
the suspension,
maybe you need to do,
you know,
if you're the one driving
and you're 260
and a little tiny car,
270 and a little tiny car,
you may need to add,
you know,
you may need to turn those,
those spring knuckles
one or two extra times
to accommodate for you mostly
being the only person in that car.
Right.
That's why I was going to put the battery on the other side.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But that's 40 pounds,
not to say.
But you're right.
No, you're right though,
but you want to start to balance it as much as possible.
Right.
And then I got to the point.
No.
Well, yeah,
you want to balance it as much as possible.
But when you're in a car
that's as ridiculous as this,
40 pounds ain't going to make a damn bit of difference.
It's not, but you can dial.
I'd rather keep it in its existing spot
and make it a little more accessible
than drill four more holes
and have to have to fiberglass
the four fricking holes that are already existing for.
Yeah.
So I don't, I don't give,
I mean, yeah,
if I'm going to rate this thing,
I would have moved it.
Also like here's the advantage of,
of
of your facility,
your, you know, the garage, the gym.
Once you get it sitting on the,
on the wheels and tires
and you're setting the ride height
and stuff like that,
you can grab 250 pounds of weights,
put it in the driver's side
and then,
and then dial it in, right?
At least get you a little bit closer.
You know, like without even the seats in it,
because the seats basically weigh the same.
You have a bit of a floor pan area.
Even if you put something down there,
the cardboard or whatever,
you just stack some weights in there
and then see what the car looks like.
You know, you could step back,
you can measure it,
you can measure the height,
you can go,
what does this look like with,
with you in it, right?
So you can, you know,
and again in your garage,
all of that's there.
We don't have to go.
You don't have to stack it
with car batteries and stuff.
You have weights and everything you need there.
Multifunctional facility.
So yeah.
And the,
and the good thing is,
is that along this process,
to be perfectly honest with you,
there's only been one or two times
when I needed to go outside the shop
to farm out work that I couldn't,
you know?
Yeah.
It's fricking awesome.
You know,
Mike Kidd at Tremac and,
you know,
the code of digital and Ron Francis
and all these.
Hey guys,
I,
a million apologies.
These days,
when you give products out,
people immediately are able to install them
and give them,
you know,
the trade.
Man.
I remember talking to
who's,
who's your buddy at Dakota digital?
He was one of the first guys I contacted.
Yeah.
And they sent,
they sent the gauges out, man.
The turnaround was unbelievable.
It was quick.
Scott.
It was Scott.
Scott.
And thank you, Scott.
Sorry.
I forgot your name.
I've been hit.
I was drawing a blank.
Sorry.
But it's,
it seems like two years ago,
I got stuff from it probably was two years ago,
but now it's coming to fruition
and now it's finally going to happen.
So I can,
I've been going back and forth with kid
and I asked him about,
you know,
mountain to the e-brake on the trans
and if I was going to jeopardize anything.
Yeah.
He's been great, man,
but I cannot wait to forget about me
and my excitement.
I just can't wait to deliver for all these guys
who are nice enough to help me out
in this project.
It's,
it's so much fun.
Well,
you know,
it's,
you work on drilling a hole for three hours,
but if you would have ended the day
and not been able to at least finish it,
that's where you were for me.
I'm up all night going,
what is happening over there?
That's why I was here till two o'clock in the morning.
You got to finish it.
We got to finish it.
Yeah.
Manny was here two days ago.
And like I say,
it's Manny's got a nine to five.
He's running his own shop.
I'm not going to move this to his shop.
So to,
for convenience,
it's here and I'm greatly appreciative of any time that he has,
that he can stop by,
but it's random.
We don't know exactly when it is.
Yeah.
So when he's here,
I have to take advantage of it.
I didn't eat all day until dinner,
Monday,
because he was here and I didn't,
and I wanted to take advantage of his expertise.
Right.
And so I'm trying to get as many things done.
We strike five things off the list.
And very empowering,
but to your point on that list was the bolt.
And we didn't strike that off.
And I'm like,
it's such an easy thing to do.
Why am I not doing it?
And I embarked upon it last night.
And now I know why Manny was like, yeah,
just do the whole.
And I was like, you know what?
Easy.
I'll do it.
It'll be done.
Man.
Pain in the ass.
And I know I just,
I could have done it in 15 minutes.
If I was smart,
but I wanted to take my time.
It was very important.
You know, big ass bolt, man.
And get one through half inch.
That sucks.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back.
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I don't know if you saw this in the news,
but there's a guy that had an F1 car,
I guess a Ferrari F1 car,
and he would put on his racing suit
and put on his helmet,
and he would tear up the streets,
the Czech motorways for the last six years.
He would occasionally bring this thing out
and just run havoc on the streets.
It sounds awesome,
but it also sounds like something you just see in a movie.
But they finally caught up with him.
This is the silly part, is I guess he stopped to get gas.
So he's driving this F1 car on the streets,
blown through traffic and passing people
and got away with it for the longest time
and they finally tracked him down from a gas station,
I guess.
Here's a picture of him at a gas station
because everyone just takes photos, right?
You hear this car, you see this car,
this is going nuts.
It's been all over YouTube,
it's been all over the place.
Great advertisement for Shell.
Right?
And for Ferrari and I don't know,
eventually he got caught.
And then when they caught him
because they like tracked him down to his house,
he was like throwing a fit.
He's like, you can't be here.
This is private property.
They're like, buddy, like enough's enough.
You got away with it for six years,
driving your F1 car on the streets.
You know you're going to get in trouble.
Like, here we are.
You're finally, you're busted.
Like, what do you want to happen here?
So yeah, so he's busted.
I don't know that they took the car away.
I don't know what the rules are out there.
You know, I'm sure he's getting a ticket.
I don't know if he's getting arrested.
They're trying to figure out what did he really do?
And they're like, I guess you just drove a vehicle.
That's not legal.
It's not street legal.
So that may probably, well, yeah, you know,
I'm sure you don't say like no license plates.
No, like you could start to rubber no license plates.
No bumpers.
No lights.
No sandals.
Yeah.
There's so many different things that he could have gotten nailed.
But, you know, just put that on top of any,
anything else they wanted to add to it.
Right.
Was driving, you know, obviously speeding.
I mean, my God, this guy, you throw the book at the guy.
But yeah.
In this day and age, does it surprise you?
No, it doesn't surprise me.
No, but funny, funny because he was like mad that he got caught.
It was like, come on.
He's a douchebag.
If you're like, you're kind of like, yeah, you got people are
pissed off why you did what you did.
Then you're a negative Ramis.
I don't know.
It's just kind of kind of a kind of a weird thing.
Kind of a funny thing there.
I don't know if you saw this.
So a Ken Brock, a Ken Block vehicle is coming up for sale.
RM Sotheby's has it in one of their sealed auctions.
Meaning you can bid on it, but it's not a public auction.
It's the 78 portion 9-11 SC that he built for the Safari,
for the East African Safari classic rally.
And then somebody brought it out.
I forgot who drove it recently at the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
Anyway, cool car, badass car, some Ken Block car.
Erased it, finished 19th overall.
I think did well throughout the race.
An actual Ken Block racing car, even though it was run in a
classic series.
I think it looks cool.
I like the whole Safari thing.
Now, this comes up quite a few times.
I talked to guys like Adam Kroll about it as well,
is sometimes you'll see things that pop up at auction
like Billy Joel's Corvette or something like that.
Or Goldberg's Demon.
Well, it's different because you're a car guy and you've been
in the space, right?
You get a guy like Billy Joel, not really known for a car guy.
He's actually a big motorcycle guy, but it's just sort of
an example.
A Paul McCartney or an Elvis Cadillac or something like that
comes up for auction.
Is the car worth a lot more because of the celebrity?
But does the guy have to be a car guy,
has to be known for a car?
Or does that fall more into Hollywood memorabilia?
And is the car any good?
Is it just like a stock Cadillac?
And we've seen many times where the celebrity factor
didn't really move the needle much.
But I think on these Ken Block cars, this is different.
Ken Block celebrity is mostly, not entirely,
around automotive, right?
I mean, he's got DC shoes.
He did DC shoes and the Jim Conest stuff, which is automotive.
But he was a racing career.
And this is a real racing car.
This is kind of like the modern day version of like Adam
buying Paul Newman racing cars.
Paul Newman had a 40 year racing career.
I think it is and it's not.
And it's not speaking from the space.
Yeah.
I think every single one of them have to be looked at
with a fine tooth comb.
I do.
And every one of them has a story and every one of them has
a value based upon finite information, right?
So what I'm saying is that with a guy like Ken Block
and anything that he actually raced, that's where his
expertise is.
So if you're buying a vehicle, then that makes it so much
more valuable because what you're buying is a top example
of what it is.
I would think.
I agree.
I think this car is worth something.
I think what they're asking.
So the estimate is 450,000 to 650,000.
I think potentially the Ken Block vehicles, the racing
vehicles, the Jim Kona vehicles.
Look, if he drove around Utah in a BMW 7 Series and that came
up for auction, I get it.
It's a 7 Series.
It's Ken Block.
Does it do anything for me as a collectible?
No, it doesn't.
But for a fan, it might do wonders.
It might.
Right?
But looking at the vehicle itself, the finite
specifications of the vehicle, a person like you or I would
look at that value based upon the vehicle.
Obviously, the prominence plays a part.
But at the end of the day, I mean, if it's just the stock,
you know, Porsche 911 that they gave Ken to drive around
that looked like his race car, then the value is nothing
compared to the actual race car.
I agree completely.
If they just stickered up a stock 911 and said here,
do some laps around it, not quite the same.
And we've been down that road too with Adam's collection
of the Newman car.
Somebody was selling a Ferrari and he's like,
he drove this thing at the so-and-so track.
I'm like, yeah, but he walked up and he drove it
and you took a picture and then he went home.
It wasn't his car by any means.
It wasn't campaigned by him.
But this car I like, I think this car is cool.
I think this car could be driven again.
I think you could do another classic rally in it
or you can just have it as part of the collect.
But I think it's a cool piece and I always like Ken Block
and I think this is a, you know, it's not inexpensive,
but I think it's a cool piece of history to have.
I say history.
It's sort of a modern day history.
The storytelling that Ken Block is and what he was able
to do, but anyway, I like the car.
I think it's cool.
Look at when it's being sold.
I mean, he passed away quite recently.
And so you're going to take advantage of the people
who are most positively affected immediately
by what Ken Block did as opposed to 20 years down the road
when less people, it would be valuable to less people
because it's further away from his being in the wheelhouse.
Yeah.
Every single one of them has its own, a Reggie Jackson car.
Yeah.
Everyone is different.
You know, and Reggie Jackson.
In a car, in a Goldberg car.
Seen as, you know, the world renowned movie star,
but does he drive his cars like I do?
And does he hold his cars in the standard that I hold my car?
So a car might be more valuable to somebody
out of Sena's collection because of who Sena is
and his public persona.
But getting down to the car itself, it might be more valuable
to get one out of my collection because.
I agree with that.
I think in the car world, you want to,
if you're trying to create value from the previous owner,
you want the previous owner to be a real automotive enthusiast.
And I'm not picking on Sena, but it's like,
Paris Hilton has a bunch of cars,
but she's not known as a car person.
Buying a pink Bentley from Paris Hilton doesn't really do anything
from me.
Maybe in the memorabilia world, the Hollywood memorabilia world,
there's a fan or somebody that's like,
I think that's interesting.
I like it.
But there's nothing really unique about it other
than maybe she did a video or something with it
or did like a MTV Cribs and saw a pink Bentley.
President Trump's car that went at Barry Jackson.
Yeah, the Diablo.
Right.
How many times do you think Trump actually drove that car?
Do you think he drove the shit out of it?
You know, I mean.
Yeah, you're right.
And there's other things I think that are more interesting
to collect from a person like that than his Diablo.
I mean, and it went for a big money too.
I think you could just get a Diablo and save some money.
Buy something else in the presidential realm that,
you know, was collectible as opposed to buying a vehicle
that President Trump had.
It's it's 61 out of the other just depends on what it means to you.
Yes.
And it's interesting because this came up a few times over the years.
We've talked about the Paul Newman racing suits,
like the Adam has a few of the racing suits and helmets.
And we even talked to somebody at one point and said,
you know, what do you think these suits are worth?
And and and the appraiser was a little confused going,
I don't know.
Is this automotive memorabilia that somebody like an RM
or a good thing would try to evaluate?
Or is this going to one of the Hollywood memorabilia auctions
that we don't really hear much about because we're out of that circle.
And the beauty of that is that it could go to any of them.
It could go to either one.
And and interesting in that if you didn't appraisal from either side
of that fence, you get a different number at 100 percent.
And it's looked upon completely differently than if a celebrity did
the Toyota Long Beach Grand Prix and took the suit from there.
And they were a big celebrity and they drove compared to Paul Newman
and him driving.
Yes.
So a Newman suit was this came out because a Newman suit was just
on bring a trailer and a museum, I guess, owned it.
They were selling it to benefit the museum.
So it was a nonprofit.
So technically a charity right off and charity stuff usually
goes a little bit on the higher end.
But this is the first time like a Newman suit like this has
gone for auction in quite some time.
And it was one of those things where like he was invited
to do an event.
They gave him the suit.
He wore it for the day, documented, fine, whatever.
And that and that's it.
And you know, it sold for twenty seven thousand five hundred
dollars. Good, good price.
But then I got on the phone with Adam and he was like, I don't
know, stuck in an airport in Texas someplace like that
traveling.
He does on the weekends.
And I said, hey, I know you're traveling.
We looked two hours ago.
The Newman suit was five grand.
It went into overtime and bring a trailer.
Got twenty seven five.
He's like, oh, well, that's that's great.
I go, but let's think about this for a second.
What does it do to your Newman suits because your Newman
suits were the ones that he raced the full season.
Again, I think it's apples to oranges.
Yeah, I truly do because the people that know know
that difference.
The other people in the for the memorabilia may not
delve into that.
They might not make a difference.
But to me, there's no way I'd buy a suit that was just
signed by Paul Newman.
Yeah.
Unless he wore it in a significant race, not a Toyota
Long Beach Grand Prix.
Because for me, as the car guy, I know how special those
things are and how cool it is to have a high level
Hollywood superstar racing cars.
Yeah.
And being good, you know.
So I mean, yeah, it's apples to oranges.
Interesting.
You said that because this one of the racing suits that we
we we got because Newman had several because he raced
for a long time and we were trying to piece together
like which suits for which season, which era because
they're mostly blue.
So you look at the patches and you look at whatever.
And then we saw a number of pictures.
This was interesting.
One of Adam's suits.
There was a hole like in the chest, like under the
like we're like feel like a chest pocket like area like
under one of the patch.
There was a hole.
They kept thinking like why?
Why is the whole what happened that it snagged that it
hit the the harness belts or whatever.
And as we started going through the pictures and
figuring out which seasons were which race suits,
we saw that Newman when when he wore the headset,
he ran the wire up through that hole.
See, you care about that.
And that's freaking awesome.
And we got all the documentation to show it.
More money for that.
Yeah.
As someone who just knows him as an actor.
There's a hole in there.
I don't want that one.
Right.
And I give you a great analogy.
Yeah.
That explains it the same way.
The law man.
Yeah.
So when we were restoring the law,
when ain't Marcus was doing the law man,
he asked about the dash and there's a story behind the
dash on the dash.
There's a son tack sticker.
Right.
Yeah.
There's a story behind that because the son tack sticker
is covering up a hole where the dash caught on fire.
When they were re when when they were restoring it,
I think it was 89 or I don't know when it was.
But that's that's the story.
And he didn't want to nor did I want him to change it.
Right.
Cause it's like the dent on the frame on the Cobra.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you started, did you leave the hole or did you put the
sticker on it?
We left the, we left that area exactly how it was.
We didn't replicate it.
We just left it exactly.
So it's the, the burnt mark in the dash itself,
the rubber in the dash is still underneath the sticker.
Okay.
So you guys still did this sticker.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we were, um, we were looking at that.
We looked at the hole.
We, we matched it up to a bunch of the pictures and we realized
it was a full race season.
He raced this thing a lot.
And this was the,
we looked at some of the other racing suits and he did things
differently.
And then he would take a Sharpie and like write his blood type
on the inside collar.
You know,
that's why you bought one that he wore as opposed to one
that he signed.
Yes.
And now we, you know, when, and when, when Adam was moving
everything around, I'm like, these things are going to walk away.
So just so they don't, we, let's move them all into the safe.
Let's put them all in the safe and keep them there until we
figure out where we're going to display them.
Now they're on in the,
I think they're in the museum and Reno with the car
collection, but.
So, but my question is comparatively to the one on bring
a trailer that went, what is,
what does he think one of his is worth?
Well,
I didn't really get into that cause he just missed the flight
and he was grumpy and upset.
I understood.
But knowing what you know,
what do you think the value is compared to the one that just
sold?
I,
I'm not talking about what do you think it would go for?
I'm talking about based upon the amount of money that the
other one sold for and knowing exactly what it was,
comparing it to what you guys have and knowing what you
have,
where would you place the value?
I want to praise it.
I would have praised it at about 80 to 100 grand.
Yeah.
If it was me,
that's where I'd be on that because it is,
it is his suit and it's so well documented and we've got
more than one.
I think we've got two and we've got like three of the
helmets and listen,
one of the helmets,
which was later in his career,
he started doing like this,
like this space theme,
galaxy stars and stuff,
cool helmet,
but not the one that was photographed the most.
So I look at that helmet and go,
that's a cool helmet.
It's more rare than the other ones,
but I don't think it's as worth as much because the other
ones are so well documented and they're so worn.
As opposed to someone who collects helmets and knows the
number that was that were manufactured and to them,
it may be worth more money.
Right.
So again,
it's tough to really be objective or,
you know,
and place a value on something without,
but you know,
look over time with the auctions because there's no
real direct comps on a lot of these things on the racing
car stuff,
but you got to look and go,
listen over time,
the better a Steve McQueen suit or a Michael Schumacher
suit or, you know,
any of those,
the better those duet auctions over the years,
the better overall,
I think things like this.
It's not a direct comparison,
but it's the market.
Right.
I mean,
as one goes,
the others follow.
Yeah.
You know,
look at where customs are now compared to where they
were 20 years ago.
You couldn't sell one for shit and they were,
they cost 20 times what they were getting,
you know,
to, to sell one and or to build one.
And now people are smart enough to know that they
get what they pay for.
Right.
You want to get what you're going to have to pay for.
Yeah.
And the older ones too,
seeing like older,
like void connecting cars and stuff come up at
auction and starting to get the money that they
deserve.
As they should.
Yeah.
You know,
it takes a while.
You know,
Adam and I looked at this a while ago and we're like,
Steve McQueen stuff didn't really start to pop till 30 years
after he was gone.
You know,
so it,
it's not overnight.
Yeah.
But again,
it's all completely dependent upon the person and the item
and the person standing,
you know,
it's everything is completely dependent upon each individual
circumstance.
I believe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
I think we're going to wrap things up for today.
I need to get back on the Cobra, man.
Yeah.
You're getting closer.
Getting close.
Yeah.
I met my office.
The Cobra is 50 feet away from me and I have a,
I have a crawler.
Viper chair has one of those crawlers.
That's how I make it from my office.
You got to wheel yourself around.
I just sleep in between.
Wheel yourself around.
All right.
Yeah.
So listen,
looking forward to the videos as well,
because we've been talking about it for a while.
We got to get some visuals now with it.
And I know it's,
it can get frustrating and time consuming to go.
I just spent three hours drilling a hole.
I should have been also posting videos and stuff,
but we'll get to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know,
I'm Mr.
Multitasker now,
but now I'm just,
I'm ecstatic that I'm able to have a little bit of time
and then finally buttoned up and go out now.
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