Lamborghini Cancels Its EV! Ferrari Manual Comeback? Doug Predicts the Future.

Hello and welcome to this car pod I'm Filippo I'm Nick I'm Doug and today we

got a big news a hundred years of our podcast yep something like that

no this is our hundredth episode and it's a special episode because we're

gonna have we have special things to talk about and somebody photoshopped a

hundred into a 4 GT headlight no that's how it looks that's how it looks what do

you mean you've never seen this I have not noticed it it was for 400 the

anniversary they did it for us they only did it on one side the other side it

says zero zero one but that's because it's the number one best forward of all

time our hundred podcasts thank you so much for listening for watching for

viewing us for a hundred years yep when we started this podcast the

depression was in full swing Lincoln Bronco folks I'm not gonna gloat I'm not

gonna gloat maybe to him maybe to him because he's always saying that I'm an

idiot but I'm not gonna gloat however I did say on this podcast that Lincoln

should make a Bronco and then they did a Lincoln G-wagon based on the Bronco I

want Lincoln to go out there and make a G-wagon like Abraham himself hopefully

this isn't a navigator with a different Lincoln grill what happened is a

couple months ago we started talking about how Lincoln should make a Bronco

because there's a G-wagon and it sells and then this week they came out and

announced that they were gonna make a Bronco great I got a buddy who works for

Lincoln and I texted him randomly a couple weeks ago and he was like hey hey

yeah nice to hear from you hadn't talked to him like a year or two years he was

nice to talk to you by the way Lincoln Bronco is a good idea and I thought he

was kidding anyway the point is this I'm brilliant noise correct you got

anything to say to that I when I saw this new story I immediately cringed and

I cannot you know handle this I also predicted the XTERRA and and years ago I

said coming back and years ago I said that Lexus should make a G-wagon and

then they took the GX and made it like a square yeah and you could say that this

was brilliant but really I was just saying that the automakers should all

make off-road vehicles because that is the trend and despite years of me

banging this drum Chevy still does not have a Raptor competitor you say this

is exciting obviously you should do this yeah fun fact they were going to

refresh the Bronco they said this week that the Broncos not getting a refresh

at all because it's selling well it's selling yeah it's been a point you know

the Corvette refresh was they took the buttons off the right over they won't

even do that this basically is the refresh right interesting thing about

this when we were talking about it or something I didn't say and but I've been

thinking making a Lincoln version the Broncos gonna be hard the G-wagon is

purpose-built ground up as a luxury vehicle the Bronco no offense is not a

luxury car like it the doors come off it comes comes off it's competitive for

what it is for what it's not it's gonna be hard to turn that it's like how all

those companies try to turn defenders into good cars and you can't actually do

that dead leather but it's still the fender still defender yeah it's trash

yeah like that's gonna be the situation here I'm curious how you they succeeded

with the Blackwood Blackwood with the Mark LT wait what do you mean what's

your concern they did succeed with the navigator but I would argue that the

you know the expedition is a much already lends itself to much more it'll be

very interesting to see how does a Lincoln Bronco the doors come off like

do you know what I mean is that I imagine they civilize it's certainly gonna be

four-door only they won't have a two-door but imagine if they had a two-door

Lincoln Bronco with a V8 like the Defender 90 V8 that would down I'm into

it I mean they will they won't you know the old G-wagon wasn't all that nice

either it was basically like John's bad color G-wagon not that nice but people

have come to expect in today's world the G-wagon they like no though the new

defender Lincoln your expectations are a little lower and sorry Lincoln I totally

disagree with that I think Lincoln makes the best cars in the three segments

they're in great I you gotta imagine it will not have removable doors it will not

have a removable top but it will be capable off-road and look like an

honestly truly wonder I mean the Broncos an amazing chassis do they do is it

easier to just start from scratch you know because like it the Bronco is not a

car where NVH is a thing they're thinking about much it's probably 84

with the but if you're gonna charge the kind of money they they're gonna have to

because the Broncos not cheap so the Lincoln one's probably gonna start at 70

yeah it'll be an 8085 car I bet you add enough carpet you make the windows and

doors not removable so you add additional sound that yeah double-pin

windows but was it designed for that I mean a lot of extra weight it'll be

I do kind of wonder if they'll actually just shorten like the expedition chassis

yeah or the navigator let him know if they if they were like we're gonna do a

Lincoln Bronco and then they came up with a navigator base maybe looks like a

whatever chassis they use for the aviator which is a car that might still

exist well it's the expo remember the Explorer chassis which is rear-wheel

drive it's actually pretty good chassis they could just use that but it won't

have any off-road credibility you add some tech you know I think they can

this out I mean and also some some some light strips on the interior some

you make it look a little off-roading you add a crawl control you're done benchmark this to the

Yukon Denali not to the G wagon so they're able to take a Yukon kind of a boring car

I agree but this is the Bronco equivalent like a Denali trim level the Denali is the

luxury trim you're talking about the Yukon AT4 no I'm saying this is like a

Denalified version of the Bronco okay we'll put nicer springs in it they'll put some sound

they're not trying to make a true luxury it's not a one it's not a complete new vehicle it's

a nicer trim level yeah that's fair yeah yeah maybe so I don't know to sell it under a Lincoln

brand they probably have certain things they want from it I'm very curious to see how it all shakes

down Lincoln dealers will be thrilled they will be thrilled yeah although to your point about the

blackwood like that was an idea like oh there's so many people love this one great idea let's do a

Lincoln well it turns out that the people who want pickup trucks don't want a luxury brand name

however we already know from the G wagon and others that they are willing to do that for SUVs

you know what he's doing right now he's back pedaling because he gave Lincoln the idea now

if it flops he doesn't want to be blamed for it I want to be blamed who's gone safe

and I gave him the XTERRA idea and by the way we're now going to move on to a segment called

Doug predicts where and I predict the future Doug predicts that Ferrari comes out with a manual

transmission that's the next one I've been predicting this and the manual Ferrari you're

going to double down on this yeah you're to stake your record on this no but like come on

this is the how can they not I got another prediction coming in about two news stories by the way

we can move on to the next one this is all speculative yes lamborghini and my boy Stefan

Lincoln man announced that they will no longer be targeting the las you can pronounce this better

lenzantador electric and the funny part is they say you know instead of saying like lamborghini

would just there's no demand for a luxury ev he said it does not have the specific emotional

connection that we want with our customers it is interesting ferrari sitting here developing

this apple ipad electric station wagon and lambo's like nope is not a boss move like one week after

it drops with a more beautiful car and be like good luck this car is really cool looking I wish

there was a gas version of this it's we I think it's like pretty neat looking but yeah I don't

want an ev lambo so but and yeah I think I think this is a smart move for them both from a branding

perspective of just like yeah like being like we're not like ferrari like you feel really stupid

and marinello right now yeah but also like you probably wouldn't have done that and those people

have seen what that looks like and so they're sitting here looking at their electric hatchback

and lambo's out like we ain't gonna do this there's a plug-in version of the uris like do we need the

full ev when I was a kid a child a wee lad ferrari was the company for connoisseurs and lamborghini

was the company for yeah poser idiots and we've seen some changes to that uh-huh lamborghini's

still the company for poser idiots but now so is ferrari but with this you start to wonder if like

the enthusiast is maybe more the lamborghini buyer something somebody that bought a lamborghini

well maybe am I wrong though like really like you think about ferrari and all the people who are

buying them and the and the colors and the options and the stupid crap that they're doing and lamborghini's

doing it too to an extent but I just feel like there's a little bit more credibility to a degree

in modern lambos and you got the v12 staying in the revolto like their design language has been

great like they're they're making some smart moves they're more genuinely them yeah right we just need

to move come back what's great too is they can always change their mind like they got the free

press out of this just to be like sorry ferrari you know that someday they're gonna right but like

saying now hey we're not doing this that's real and there's a there's a some cost fallacy

that if you're an automaker is sometimes hard to ignore like ferrari shouldn't do it like if you

look at all the other ev supercars they've all failed they're all disasters for i shouldn't but

they've gone this far a real company like stilantis who canceled whatever they were remember they had

all sorts of evs cancelled everything cancel them all that's a real a real company that was

actively for sale lambos doing this too ferrari has a song there's a song called oh we can make it

work for ferrari to be fair that is one of the benefits that lambo hats right they're owned by

outie yep and the Volkswagen group they that development is all commingled with Porsche and

outies etc so they can get away with saying we don't want to use that platform and that work yeah

because they haven't invested all of their r&d budget for ferrari that's true also ferrari

they've they're doing it alone fundamentally i mean they have more money than god ferrari has more

money than literally god god comes fras for that's why they're going to keep going because they have

more money than god but lambo has the ability to say now we're going to reputation is everything

to ferrari the whole company trades on their argument would be that they've always been the

people moving the market forward and develop that is the next and this is going to be what's

and so in the world of electric hatchbacks ferrari will be the class leader them and they on a 5m

yes okay that's a good news story here's another one nick do you want to say it and i'll say i'll

give you my future prediction well last week you all talked about the rs5 avante how exciting it is

and how it's definitely coming to the us we didn't have any information about it by the way but there's

a little asterisk there that's bigger than the exhaust tips of the rs5 which are giant yes it's

wild that it might not be coming to the united states after all i will say this i did a deep

dive on this so this is all coming from one youtuber who's very well liked and known in the

outie community who apparently spoke to somebody at outie and they told him no we don't have a

plan to bring to the us nobody else has independently confirmed this outie has not spoken to anybody

else and said this i'm gonna tell you right now here's here's doug's prediction it's coming to the

us yeah that's that outie created demand for this rs6 after years of being like no nobody wants it

well guess what we do want it and by the way we don't want your sedan and they don't even make

an rs6 sedan anymore that's how much people don't want it true and in fact the rs6 force

bmw to come with the m5 i was at a bmw event three years ago where they launched the xm

total disaster and they admitted to me openly that they had they made the mistake and wish

they had brought the m3 wagon but the decision had been made late enough that they hadn't seen

how the rs6 had done etc and they wished the m3 wagon had come this is going to come to the states

it just is and if it isn't then it's just another example in so many of our examples of outie not

understanding its customers its brand position all this stuff but you got to assume it's come to the

it just is outie created the segment for the rs6 yep you sent an email no i'm trying to

i want to reference the youtuber correctly who who had that break and i miss who it is um

couple of things about it because we didn't we didn't have any facts last week the rs5

two more nine liter v6 plug-in hybrid quite heavy 634s yep real power real performance

relatively heavy as they all are because of the battery pack what's the weight

fifty four hundred pounds so that's not that bad yeah um uh good yeah i one thing that's

interesting that that same youtuber put it on their video the rs4 is dead the rs4 which has

this heritage you know that especially in the community you want to be five you want to be

six you want to be seven rs4 they're all very desirable it's dead yeah although originally

it was called the rs2 like ultimately time moves on and life soldiers on and nevertheless this is

the way life works you know what i'm saying things die things bloom again you believe is that a smart

move um i could see an rs3 sport back coming eventually i mean or i guess it already exists

the automakers generally find that adding numbers gets people to buy the cars like oh i got a

like your lease comes up now you can get out of an a4 and get into an a5 mentally there's a big

deal i'm serious but that's why they call it the s550 instead of the s500 but is that true when

like the rs4 has heritage does it yeah it does but it howdy's nomenclature's all weird yeah it's

getting bigger and bigger and bigger like if you want to be seven rs4 size car you get the rs3

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send an email over to outie's pr guy who i love is one of my top five favorite pr guys wow people

let's go through it let's go through the list i really do love him partially because he tells

me the truth you know this thing about this the other day the the difference between a pr person

i love and a pr person that's fine i love the ones that tell me this car sucks but the next one

will be good and some pr people actually say things like that and it's lovely but the outie um

if outie doesn't bring this and does bring the q did bring the q4 and the q4 which is the worst car

on sale by the way if you're thinking about buying the q4 don't it's horrible you're making a mistake

don't worry about the q4 sport bag the q4 sport bag is actually the worst car on sale are those

still on sale i think they're maybe gone the new q5 is out the new q6 is out new q5 is great q6

is great too actually yeah this is coming can i are you aware that there's uh the outie a5 you

reviewed it yeah there's an outie a6 which you've maybe reviewed each ron no there's an outie a6

each ron there's a now an outie a6 gas yeah which should not have been possible that is looks different

entirely different from the e6 electric one yeah outies there's a it's a little bit of a

yeah the r5 looks phenomenal i think the rear end with the gigantic dual exhaust one on each side

is a bit much for me it is a bit much but this is the way direct styling is going you know i

remember when porches were subtle and the gt3 rs like even porcha has gone into this like we have

to show off and look ridiculous and all thing so we can't have unfortunately the c5 rs6 that we

love so dearly those days are over you can't just have like subtle changes that's a lot you gotta

have a big vent you gotta have a big exhaust it's the way of the world it's still it is still

less showy than its mercedes-benz and bmw competitors and by the way if they don't bring

it here have you seen the rear end have you seen an m3 have you seen the front end i mean fair if

if they don't bring it here i think their reasoning is that no one's ever really tried or succeeded

with a with a wagon this size before you know but it's all the bigger ones but i would argue that

outie has created the demand with the rs6 mercedes was selling the e63 wagon at a trickle for a

long time rs6 showed up it is vastly more popular i think it might even be more popular than the

all-road version oh certainly i certainly see them about one to one um and then m5 had to come and

outie can create their own demand they have customers interested in this stuff and i'm gonna

say it right here on this podcast if outie brings this car to the united states nick will buy one

new nick will buy one new if outie brings it to the united states that is a bold prediction all right

i'm not predicting i'm saying you've now committed to this i will you committed for me yep and if

there's the right financing deal perhaps what's that deal i i don't know what like a lease cost

all right all right is that fair no it's not fair a3 base no he's gonna q4 e-tron he's gonna

you could get there with like a hundred month uh loan i'll do one of the like ed bullion one time

pay lease buyout dogs okay that doesn't it's like i'm gonna be more than five hundred dollars

yeah i still like i imagine there would be a wait list for this there wouldn't be deals yeah people

would be excited for it no i think they're very much it might even be the most enthusiast-oriented

outie on sale when it comes out with the aria it absolutely i would really believe this will come

to the states i truly truly believe that and if they don't it's just the q4 the q4 and not this

it's embarrassing but i'll get angry about it when we find out if it actually isn't coming outie

by the way the youtube channel that oh yeah i follow him next news story please oh yes a

tzuzuki jimny yeah okay this is a rendering i guess of uh although we have spy shots too

of the baby g wagon for a long time mercedes said it was going to be electric only yeah it would

of course be the baby g wagon with the eq technology eq technology all right there we now know that

there will also be a plug-in hybrid or a hybrid of some sort in addition to the eb version there

will be gasoline the gasoline um you know what i'm worried about with this baby g wagon

say you're driving around in your g but your real g wagon aren't you a little worried

shon are you worried this is going to make us feel yep he's saying yeah he's even him with

his old rusty bad color g wagon he's worried that it's going to make him seem less legit

i heard the rust is spreading it's it is yeah are you um when you when you a full-sized range

over man yeah when you see a sport do you think to yourself oh this loser yeah no it's it's not

only do i not want to be associated with them but it's it's like they're just of a different

planet different you have a valuable full-sized raindrop that that was given to you for free

and and and only has six illuminated warning lights like the the sport people are nothing

near you know that's trash it's like you when somebody pulls up next to you the Mustang gt

or the bronco sport to the baby for gt the the Mustang gt though is baller and this i think

is going to be a weenie car they if i'm honest do you think i'm wrong i said nothing it's going

to be it's going to be a baby g wagon plug-in hybrid or maybe a regular hybrid i guess we don't

know for sure does that matter the g wagon Prius people are going to see these and laugh at them

just like people have been laughing at the baby versions of real cars since the dawn of time i

don't know the range of a sport sells well and looks pretty decent no the range sport is a great

car that's not really what i mean but like boxer came at the disco sport different boxer came in

which i love dearly after 30 years still has the stigma uh and they're now making rs version it

still has the stigma of being not the full and this isn't the disco sport this is the freelander

equivalent like this is look at you sharing your modern car knowledge we're hanging out and went

similar to freelander the other day nick yellow convertible with like no miles on marketplace

we didn't buy it it was somewhere on the other side of the country and they said so and they were

like if you bought this you would rule nantucket in the summer and i was like you absolutely would

not and i don't think you'd make it there i saw one on the road the other day here in north park

what yeah they're around convertible freelander you don't send me these photos too far away i couldn't

get a picture it was up the street and i turned i sent you that two door evoke the over the weekend

i enjoyed like chasing this lady down as she was going to her boutique in del mar well that's

gonna be our situation with the g-wagon you know i have a suspicion this is gonna sell in crazy

numbers i'm just disappointed by a real g-wagon is made in austria shan yeah too many people buy the

g-wagons that never use them and think that they are too big and brutish if you are finishing your

senior year at a sorority in the down south and you need you got your first job in pr like this is

gonna be the ultimate vehicle when i started school at emory which is in 2006 there were two

freelanders in the sorority yeah yeah yeah nice i agree look from a from a business point of

you it's gonna be awesome you gotta do it from your state expense gonna be awesome i do wonder

every time you water down something yeah it does potentially have an effect on the big thing

maserati showed us it can really screw things up like no one thinks maserati's legit anymore right

no one legit thinks maserati's legit let's just say this is a good alternative to the q4 sportback

i mean so it's moving the market up you know what the best alternative the q4 sportback is

walking called it the city bus all right let's move on anything used whatever this is whatever

this is uh i say i said let's get started there was additional confirmation out of

maserati's european division that the next miata the n e miata first of all is there's like there

are prototypes of it they're actually working on it it will be electrified in some way it will not

but there will be an electric component like a 12-volt battery yes i'm not no like a plug-in

hybrid or a hybrid if they did they also said in in the same thing that they would remain true

to their roots i am curious having driven the temerario i'm sorry the john temerian and having

now looked at this rs-5 avante which is 1200 pounds heavier than the previous rs-4 avante

and having driven the m5 and all that how is it possible that you stay true to your roots

uh and go and go hybrid i think the answer is a really small battery pack yeah maybe but like

i'm looking at all these cars like the relative weight increase is still going to be significant

considering what the miata is you know i mean yeah fair but i can still be the lightest car around

yeah and then there are some EVs that are sold in europe and other markets that are legitimately

just very low-range EVs yeah and those are pretty light maybe yeah it's not going to be a low rate

no no no it will be a hybrid or something like if you do it correctly small batteries yeah there

were some note you could imagine they're going like a Porsche direction where there are hybrid

911s they don't have that much weight are you crazy the 992 gts the new 992 gts weighs 12400

pounds what is it actually um sorry it's 11680 pounds yeah wow you know it is 3600 pounds and

it's only 110 pounds heavier in the previous model but what was interesting about what the

the Mazda Europe person said is that they could they look forward to basically they look forward

to driving with no sound at all so i don't think that's doable because like the engine always runs

in that just the hybrid is supporting it so they will have to get a more hybrid component but it

can be lightish i think the good news with miata is there's not like this beloved sound that enthusiasts

have to hear like in some of these cars the bad news with miata is that weight has always been

its big thing and i keep driving these cars with the weight and they're all awesome like temerario

despite what the comments say oh the v10 it's no v10 it sucks i totally disagree it drove great

it is heavy it feels heavy it drives heavy it looks big and the whole story with miata is that

it's not like that i also worry a little bit about manual transmission which i think they have to do

yeah honda has done it there have been honda hybrids that have a manual did you know that the only

one no i did not the original insight and the civic the original civic high band

the crz that all had manual transmissions huh so it's doable offered have they done it since

or no but the crz was sold through like 15 it's not it has been that long yeah uh we'll see i worry

about that too i we might be in the heyday of the miata at the end like i don't think that about

the temerario like i think that is we're still making great lambos the revuelto but those car

companies can add hybrid power and get away with the additional weight with that suspension technology

and and power and all this stuff very different the miata it's going to be a lot harder to do

well i'm i'm very curious i think i hope that for the miata people's sake i honestly hope the nd

generation continues on for quite a bit longer because i have a suspicion there's dark clouds

ahead i also do think that i mean they're basically saying we have prototypes of the of the ne but

there's a lot of work still to do there'll be an nd miata for a while yet to come yeah it's been a

long run it came out in 2014 in 2014 so we're already 11 12 years ahead and there'll be more

i'm excited for the nj the new jersey miata do you want to say anything about it do you want to

say anything about it no okay i'll plead the fifth all right uh miata okay what else we got

oh all right apparently it's over bmw is not going to make new manual transmissions i'd say that

the cars are going away yet but they won't develop the future segment should get on this too because

i've been saying for so long that people should shut up about how the m3 and the m2 look because

it's the last time you're going to get a straight six manual rear wheel drive bmw and guess what i

will say what they've said is that they it's very unlikely that they will develop like a new

transmission like a full new transmission new that their argument is there's not enough demand

they can't find a supplier to build it with the amount of demand that there would be for the new

transmission which is fair because it's a niche take right i guess and also as a part of that

the current manual transmission can only to bmw specifications handle 405 pound feet of torque

so no car they won't offer it in theory in cars that make more than 405 pound feet of torque the

current m3 makes up to 480 pound feet of oh but that's the auto version it's the the manual is the

base one that is for foreign sex folks i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna give you a top tip if you want

to have a very valuable car someday you go pick up a new m3 stick and one of those weird colors

you bring it home and you never once drive it and in 30 years that car will be worth about 15% of

what you could have made in an index fund uh and you're right i'm sorry it is 406 m3 the m2cs is

also 406 406 that's that's all it can take don't tune your bmw's folks the transmissions can only

take 406 pound feet not a penny more obviously that's to bmw's own desires for reliability

etc but yeah which which are known to be very stringent bmw transmissions how about the fact

that their trans goes up to the exact amount of torque like oh boy i hope we didn't get one that's

tuned a little more for the factory the trans will blow yeah um let's probably i'm not surprised to

hear this the manual transmission is dying it is whimpering yeah it is it is it is casting its

last breath which is why the 4 gt remains brilliant it's the greatest car for me really no what do

you think is the greatest car for me i don't know i don't even answer that honda accord do you think

oh five a court hybrid there's always improvements oh wow to the 050 court hybrid car play car play

yeah uh well this isn't surprising nick your thoughts on the death of the manual transmission

bmw's i mean very predictable to use your uh nomenclature there i mean we saw this coming

it's weird this whole segment we've been evs are going away then another car is getting ev then the

manual transmission is going away then the ferrari should come up with the manual everything's all

over the board there's a weird state of flux in the industry right now and it's i think it's hard

for the automakers to see what's going to happen i do think that of all the manual transmission

brands out there who are still doing it which is like Porsche Subaru Mazda bmw bmw is probably the

least the one that needs it the least they could sell these m3s with automatics they do they they

sell every every competition which are most of them fundamentally they sell a ton of them

and i think they would do just as well if it was auto only the c8 corvette proved that yeah and

many other cars that prove that that's an interesting c8 corvette yeah good car i it's

interesting right like it feels like evs have pushed every automaker to innovate on power and

speed including for their automatic and gas powered cars where like the race is one of how

much horsepower can we put in this car can we cross right 700 can we cross 800 can we cross

1000 if you're Lamborghini like that's the race and it's not a surprise that without a lot of

development work the manuals can't support that yeah and there's a new generation of people coming

up who aren't as attached to manuals they want the sensation of speed they want the sensation of

speed that's what they're used to via that point that's why at some point you got to ditch the

4gt you got to be like i'm out you got to sell it at the absolute market you got to go to the new

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for you yeah i want to hear it the zr1x over at my house sir can't say anything about it it's under

embargo oh no wait the embargo is like the moment this pod really it's great everybody no okay so

what is embargo actually i think it's friday not yet but it's not when we look at the

launch a little bit too early okay here's something for you the zr1x 0.16 1.67 seconds

1250 horsepower 8.67 quarter mile the fastest thing in the world take a guess what the visual

distinction is from the regular zr1 i've seen the car yeah same i i know okay what is it big wing

okay that's his what do you think it is i think that the the front trunk hood whatever has has

slightly deeper like airflow do you think only the front trunk is the only distinction between

the zr1 and the craziest thing ever the kind of the correct answer is the batch the wing is exactly

the wing is the same as the right that's a big wing yeah was it okay otherwise literally identical

on the outside hilarious what is chevrolet doing well because i think there's gonna be an even

corvette here corvette comment you can make the zero one x a little bit i was surprised but i think

they've got a pretty tight lineup of doing stuff here and what else are they gonna do much develop

there's gonna be a zora it's gonna have 1500 horsepower and it's gonna make people like you

cry and people like you salute the flags zr1x it's x it's 10 it's a zr1 10 okay i have a theory and

it's not substantiated but i think x stands for all the drive just like how x stands for all the

drive and like stupid cars i think that zr1x because that's what it is it's an all-wheel drive

zr1 it's not the eray x no it's not but for zr1 they wanted to keep the zr1 name because it's

really valuable so how do you because it's zr1 but it's all-wheel drive and it's cool put an x

there at the end would the luxury version be the zr1z like ltz was the luxury lt right um maybe

i was thinking the reason they don't they don't distinguish it visually is because corvette

people love to explain to you why they're car special but that's the only one if you can't tell

then that gives them the opportunity to explain it to you that's the only one it's not special

there's your one x it doesn't matter if it's special or not they want the opportunity they want

their placard to explain that's so true and by the way when you pop the hood there is a plaque

under the hood that says zr1x and it gives all the numbers and so and that's the other thing

i love to do is pop their hood and and and have placards yeah boom it's this fascia there's no

literally the badge is the only distinct thing on the outside why well filipo because there's

going to be a zora they don't have time to think that one more came out yesterday it literally

came out yesterday and now zr1x is coming out tomorrow they're a bam bam bam shop by the way

see i want to give a shout out to the c8 corvette you got the c8 corvette is the greatest so good

it is unbelievable you know it's came out six years ago six years ago and it is still cool

and it is still exciting and it is holding its value pretty well and it's still fast

you're still into them yeah no it's true as far as american car goes this is

hard to think of a parallel that's been that successful for that long people still think

it's cool like six years and and remember the corvette for so many years when we were kids

was plagued with the terrible reputation of a horrible interior like a also ran kind of car

and this is still an impressive car and no one says bad things about it no one no everybody loves

have you driven one yeah you want to drive the sam's wedding i rented one on tarot it was awesome

yeah had a lot of fun it's fast it's too fast yeah and i was in a base yeah i i i floored it

today in the zr1x i can tell this now the embargo is i floored it today in the zr1x on the freeway

and it broke traction going from second to third full throttle at 75 but remember it's a four-wheel

drive car yeah i have it on video it literally like i'm like oh and then as it starts like getting

through third it like gets traction back thank god 150 is a lot of power it's a lot of power you

have a roll on that throttle i think what's torque uh it's the same as the regular zr1 830 because

the electric motor produces torque at a different kind of peak you know the college football athletes

that get this okay it's gonna end some careers yes although i think this car is probably a

wheel drive helps a little bit too expensive even for the college football and i l athletes

you know it's regular corvette with 500 horsepower we'll do it no it did and then it has already

there was that guy in the further plate for the raiders remember who killed that woman i will

say we just sold a ca corvette today that has 35 000 miles of three accidents msrp was 66 and

it sold for 48 five i mean there's no corvette in history and 33 000 miles there is no corvette in

history that still has this level of enthusiasm and excitement and interest and on the subject of

this new story they killed the manual and nobody really seemed to care the fact that they switched

to a mid-engine and that it was so good and so exciting kind of was enough to do away with

learn when you reviewed it in a las vegas strip mall parking lot it was unlv's campus sure yes it

was behind some dumpsters at unlv's campus we got 12 million and chevy has never not given me a press

car ever again all right what do we got all right asin is cutting 20 of their workforce great what

i will say this is my only tie into tariffs the tariff situation changed we're not going to talk

about it let's go didn't they also say it was in part due to ai it's in part due i mean which is

what i mean to them burning an insane amount of money and having huge debt obligations because

they burn a sentence amount of money every year for the last forever astin wants to blame tariffs

totally fine i personally would blame the product lineup it's dbx also the uk actually has very

favorable tariff situation now although for a period of time it was not a favorable

also it's no longer favorable actually and then there's a cap but they're not hitting that yeah

but it's a it's good it's a whole uk and jaguar land rover hits it well land rover

they're complaining about tariffs they're also complaining about the chinese market being really

soft for luxury cars which it is if astin would make good product here's what i want to master

all right first off off-road sv come on come on it's like the lincoln bronco which i predicted

you think i'm wrong a little bit yeah the problem with astin is that your line of thinking is the

problem is that it has this reputation and it has to keep the same reputation it does not

succeed making no beautiful british cars no it is not a successful thing agreed so you

got to go you got to think different what is astin martin into in the 21st century in 2028

making a g wagon i don't think maybe that sells maybe that sells if you've been to dubeye all they

do is drive around in the luxury off road i want them to go out the middle east yeah they got all

that stuff can i get a quick detour to share a little middle east fact yeah all right so lucid

american company based in arizona none of that is true no they do have a factory in arizona and

they are considered an american eevee company okay they have the air and the gravity yeah they're

gonna start making a mid-size at eevee yeah they're not gonna they're gonna first build it in the

middle east and at their factory they have there because they're solely funded and owned by the

saudi investment fund yeah and then eventually they might bring it to the us they're gonna build

an electric vehicle in the middle east that's right i will never forget i went to dubeye i don't

know 10 years ago actually it was for the launch of the previous corvette zero one if i recall uh and

i went to dubeye and um i rented a car there you know at the airport there yep and it was a

land cruiser that's what you have to do i didn't have really have a choice and and they said to me

sir you have to bring this back on full and if you don't bring it back on full we will charge you

a penalty and they showed me what the penalty was and i calculated at my hotel room later and it

turned out the penalty price for fuel was uh a dollar and forty cents was the penalty for a gallon

for a gallon yeah with a penalty i would have to pay um but nonetheless i filled it up anyway

because fuel was seventy cents wow and they're gonna make an electric suv hopefully it doesn't

look like they're electric minivan yep on the subject of electric minivans

hopefully for love it is yeah we all thought you know chris starts down to one model it wasn't

looking good and they showed us wrong i said we got a facelift for you all right okay but no no

sorry if you see any other shots it is not a thing well maybe i was thinking that it was

wild to put r&d into this vehicle and not make it reliable so maybe they're gonna both facelift it

and make it reliable i want to show you the rest oh this is just the rest of it yeah after the a

pillar actually maybe after the grill is just the same it's just the same um i googled this the other

day because for some reason i was just curious like how bad really is the reliability it's so bad

like there's so many threads on every social media site being like my pacific a hybrid stranded

my family at disneyland it's wild but it's so good i go from the hybrid to phoenix and then to

northern azzona and then home carried a giant uh whatever they're called china china cabinet thank

you yeah uh home it did great it got better gas mileage than my station wagon you wish that it had

this front end uh no yeah it looks worse it looks worse and they changed nothing it looks like an

import which is the weird you know what i mean it looks like a high on die or something yeah we were

over here that's that is kind of true we were over here we wanted to buy these things because they're

american my favorite part is that these are pretty clearly like they're these are really high quality

like pictures of like that are supposed to be spy shots but they're supposed to be spies surely

they're really spy christler here's an interesting factoid for you want to know an interesting minivan

factoid after the election where the trump fellow one i got all sorts of friends i got a lot of

lib friends i got all sorts of lib friends they reach out to me said i want to buy a family car

but i want to be built in america and i said well uh and they want a minivan three different people

reached out to me with this exact thing if you have one option and i said well there's a problem

here because the american minivan is built in canada and the non-american minivans are built

in america and i think now i don't know if they have union like i say you got to make a decision

here and you know what happened they all bought sienna's they didn't buy minivans all right let's

move on we got to talk about cars no there's one more oh boy yes cyber truck they announced that

there will be a base model price reduction of 59 and nine something basically just under 60k

they remove some options however what they say anyways is that the the reaction has been so

favorable that they have to push out some delivery dates and then they're going to be

increasing the price come march first which means this reduced price was for nine days you on that

you could get it on the configurator for 59 99 it's only going up to like 61 but basically that

teaser rate was for nine days to get some press before raising it to 61 lond tweeted it out and

said it for a very limited time and then he was indeed i've had like shoes go on sale first for

longer periods of time than nine days such a mess i love it i actually love it i love when

successful companies are a mess because it proves that you can also be a mess right and by the way

you can just buy any cyber truck for about 60 000 oh yeah i mean use cyber trucks you want to get a

cyber truck for 60 cars and bids i'll help you what's great is if you buy the base model

no one can tell the difference yeah of course right like it is cloth and cheery which looks

tight but okay on the road and everyone and thinks you're the village idiot regardless of

whether you paid 59 or 140 but we sell them on cars and bids and we love them rarely it's like

um uh different wheels i was i was next to one uh today and i was thinking about how phil's

told us that people yell at him that's good stuff all right we gotta move on to the talk

you don't want to talk about frunks frunks there's so much news some hard-hitting news here this is a

big news story and and i want to clarify something i want to stand up for my beloved brand ford

ford has made the front trunk in the mustang maki an option although i bet you if you went

and bought a maki right now they'd throw it in for free how is this option working i i assume

that if you don't get the front trunk option then it just doesn't come with a liner and so there's

mechanical components there oh sure no liner and so it's 500 bucks do you sell the lash you

sell the latch well sure because it's sure yeah i mean this is how all toyota's toyota evs do not

have a front trunk you have a latch you open and it's mechanical stuff and the reason for that is

every single press launch i've gone to with an ev the automakers told me the same thing 94 percent

of our customers told me they don't use the front trunk they're missing out the problem i think is

regulatory the front trunk is actually hard to access because they're regulatory you have to

there's a latch and then there's a secondary latch and you have to kind of go under there

like a trunk in the back you press a button it pops open right the rivian front you press

it on the key fob it opens yeah the cyber truck for the for the auto yeah but there's you press

button the key fob but then you still have to go and do a little you don't a little you don't the

rivians you don't yes you do not i was sitting on over the weekend and they they my friends kept

their baby stroller in the front trunk and he just did it through the key fob not everybody

can do it through the key fob you don't have to then walk up to the car and i'll just open

automatically oh then maybe we're all missing out i do think that that requires some amount of

like sensors etc to make sure the car's not moving yeah i mean the electric ones like the f-150

yeah that's great but it's expensive and i assume in a pickup truck it's a lot more commonly used

because it's lockable space but are they reducing the price i think they are i think they're some

small price reduction yeah then fine but but also yeah especially like the airlines all right just

charge me extra if i need the overhead space or whatever spirit airlines let's do that yeah i only

need three wheels truly 94 percent of people don't use the front trunk then it does make sense

nobody ever uses their full cargo area except for hoarder cars you drive around nobody's using

that whole thing my front you know what i honestly don't even use my trunk very often i usually just

throw stuff in the back seat and it would be so mad i learned from kenan kenan like it could be the

smallest little item the that could easily really is for storage under the cover so that it doesn't

make me feel kind of like civilized and fancy to use the trunk now i'm like i'm following the

procedure p-38 trunks stay up on its own uh yeah well you have to reset the latch every time otherwise

it doesn't close all the way that it beeps at you yeah you know i'm all about finding value

whether it's an e-55 wagon with a check engine light a mercedes mclaren s lr roadster that had a

teeny tiny trunk fire or a free range rover p-38 that i got from a follower i'm all about finding

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okay now can we finally move on to the talk car segment now okay the talk car segment is brought

to you uh by nick roshan's youtube channel all right that's right roshan's youtube channel

go to nick roshan's youtube channel dot com um that's not the you should make sure you buy that

ace up yeah uh he's someone will buy it make like a spite site like i hate nick roshan

oh and kenan's youtube channel kenan had a video went to see david lee have you watched that uh i've

not yet you gotta watch me went to see david lee doesn't this make you want to start doing vlog

style content get in on the phone no i was sitting there thinking while i was watching kenan's video

i am so glad that when i go to car shows i don't have to vlog it um okay i want to talk about a

bunch of that i have several things to talk about one was i really love the c8 corvette which i already

worked into the news yeah we did well with that good job okay i want to talk about breaking down

on a car the other day i broke down on a car i'm not going to say which one but it's here in the

office we're going to sell it on cars and bids good luck no we fixed it um but i broke down and

what happened was i was driving up a hill car broke down and i started to roll back down

and um this this became interesting to me because someone honked at me as if i was

doing this for my enjoyment like i have no power and i'm about to have no brakes and

about to have no steering and i'm rolling down a hill you know with the car up and someone's

honking at me like you idiot and i'm like and the same thing happened when my kuntash broke down a

couple of months ago uh when the distributor failed i also broke down and it was in the left

lane of the freeway and i had to quickly get over while i was losing power and people were honking

at me and it's like do you not see what's happening here this isn't like a guy who's having fun and

it suddenly hit me that people don't break down in cars anymore no and so like there's probably

35 years ago in either of those situations the person behind me would have gotten out and

are you what can i do you file how can i help you and instead now they get mad because people

the the concept of breaking down yeah has disappeared completely from like automobiles

huh it really has yeah i truly think back in the day with carbureted cars and five-digit

odometer cars and all this stuff you would you would break down 30 000 miles if you're lucky

yeah and you knew how to deal you know how to fix a car you know how to bump start you knew how to

all this stuff that's so busy i had never thought of that and what's funny is we talk about it you

take anxiety and people worry about running out of juice in the evs that never really happens

very often either no it doesn't like i don't see tesla's like sitting on the side of the road

waiting for a generator like there's often as people run out of gas like you know what

but i it happens it is interesting to me that like the the response that used to be this like

this thing where you'd your neighbor you know the good sam's you'd you'd pull over and help somebody

out if they were and now like nobody knows how to fix a car nobody knows how to do anything it's

all computers and the concept of like someone breaking down is so foreign the most it really is

like you know i don't i would have the last time you broke down on the side of the road

me it was last week i have never broken on the side of the road oh is that true wow you need it

you need you need a headache in your life that f2.50 is coming soon yeah there's no way that

doesn't have some issues yeah i'll break that yeah sure i'm so pumped for that oh sorry that's not

true i've had an x5 in north carolina it was stick and the brake lines broke while i was away

from my home so i have to drive home with no using the handbrake it's my break which worked if you

pulled enough yeah so you can make a good yeah would you do that you'd like do a break job to my

yeah then i drove it to the place to oh you don't go to a place uh and then that car broke down a

couple other times you're close to home i can't close the home which you bought for a dollar and

then drove the new hamster never broke down it never broke down until we ran over it with a land

there was a slight issue where the battery leads would come yeah disconnect a little bit and then

the car was shut off it doesn't have batteries it would shut off while you were driving yeah and

that was a problem was on the 676 across philadelphia during rush hour but you know that happened on

the 676 yeah and we were moving and then the car and then you stop and you hope nobody hits you

but it's filling and then you shake the battery leads and you're good the one place people are

used to cars breaking down it's filling the cars still break down and filling um okay that's that

nick the multiply it is sold and it is on its way to the east coast the buyer paid

so you you were wrong that someone would chicken out well i thought they would chicken out at

whatever crazy number you thought it was gonna sell for i knew it was gonna sell for that

i still think it's high it's not such a good car disappointed editor have you not he has not

received it yet so good but he loved it it's such a cool car he owns a k car or actually two k cars

so he oh this is vicious he's committed to that life you know i love the most stuff i love the

most so much it is gone i was immediately at first i was mad at you because you trashed

talk the car right before the auction ended yep but i did reflect on it more so i paid

seven thousand dollars for it in europe and then i paid a lot to ship it and get it here but basically

i paid seven for it i sold it for ten i did great on the car oh you did great on the car

it's that is the math that i'm sticking with in my head let me ask you a question we we lost

money in the a2 too let me ask you a question how much uh did you spend on power steering fluid

both in the engine compartment and in bottles in the car i don't really count fluids towards the tco

no fluids um power steering fluids pretty cheap tco yeah but that car anytime you would run it

would dump all of it pretty much it got great miles per gallon so it kind of washes just keep

topping up i did tell the new owner anthony i said i i topped it up before it got on the truck

but so why but you might want to need more what we want when we're on the truck i don't know oh poor

that poor hopefully nothing that poor car i spent a long time cleaning power steering fluid from

our floor i apologize from what car from the floor the floor was really bad uh the a2 so the guy who

bought the a2 also was the guy who had my a class and he even was the guy who had my a class when

it got hit and destroyed parked in front of his house when it got hit and destroyed which obviously

was a great thing not for him i guess i don't know um he's got real cars and he's got these things

and he texted me and he said the a2 has been great it's so much better than the a class and i'm like

that's a low bar no but it is better we agree yeah it's a way quieter but i mean he had a family

flew down from the bay and drove up a lot of stuff's better than the a class like a an alantra

bass yep hunday i10 no yeah q4 sport pack uh no q4 sport pack is way worse than anything what i

love is i've saw so many instagram photos of the a2 from car show to the bay in the first day he had

it yeah and that's probably more content than the content we produced with the car that we bought

yeah well we got it here and and one of the things we discovered when we got it here and i'm only now

disclosing this to the next owner uh is that it sucks no it's a good car of that type yeah it is a

good car of that type yeah the two things i learned one i want to emphasize again that i won i sold

it for the most money yep of the three cars it was a hundred dollars more it does it winnings 100

it's not oh you know i'll let you win sir a mile i think we're all winners because the cars are

all gone although i notice the fiat is still over the fiat is the buyers in arizona they have paid

for it through cars a bit safe pay just they've been out of town and like had like a work trip and

so they're getting it picked up and imagine coming home from vacation do that car it's such a good

car it's so great great it's so lovely and by the way it's sold for less than some more it

the duck prediction that also came true you predicted that i would be off that car immediately

yeah it would change how i looked at cars forever and that is true i am off of bs cars that was not

worth the effort nor money no offense anthony enjoy it um no i love it i love that but anthony

didn't pay as much as you did my new rule is i'm not considering anything less than eight cylinders

and less than 400 horsepower yeah which i realize means no 911's other than like no all of them are

i guess a cayenne i could do the but that's about it you get a crudgy t the thing is the thing is

128 928 i don't think those ever hit 400 horsepower no maybe a gts with a little tune

the thing is so this is it you're just done i'm done i'm off cars wow i'm sorry your p38 doesn't

have 400 horsepower this is big eight cylinders it can be either or oh okay got it this is big

you're off cars i'm off bs cars i only want serious cars that are like enjoyable to own so if i

lose money at least i can say you know at least i enjoy the experience i gotta tell you it's interesting

because once again you discover something after i've already discovered it yeah i know i'm giving

you this credit um nick went through what i went through in 2013 14 in my life where i bought a

bunch of cars that i always wanted and realized that they weren't really all that great yeah you've

got that out of your system and you lost money on most of and realize it's not worth losing money

i'm also not making money i went through all on my youtube channel all the costs i incurred yeah

not doing the ridiculous car guy math but the actual costs yeah truth is i only lost about

1400 all in if i count like the youtube content yeah but the multiple still not worth more the

time that i wasted on this yeah like we spent months looking for one and like it broke down a

bunch of times yeah yeah which i thought like oh this would be an adventure like no i was driving

a hundred and five horsepower diesel all over california like why it was cool for a minute

i'm so i drove it one time and i got an e46 and three gave me a thumbs up nice yeah it was nice

to have filipa's respect for a little while otherwise lost there is something unfortunate

that happens because we love the cheap stuff and we love the facebook marketplace stuff although

cars and business where you buy your there is something that happens someday where you realize

like i've got too much going on and i'm sick of dealing with dumb stuff i want if i'm going to

do the car hobby i want it to be cars that really count i don't mind breaking down in my kuntash

if i had broken down the a2 i would have cursed the whole world yeah it's just not worth it to me

the other thing that it's making me question is i was big on the i want to hold cars as

short as possible so that i can experience his money it takes about six months to dial in a car

yeah and then you're letting it go yeah if you can keep a car for like two years like that first

six months is going to suck while you get it dialed in yeah and then you're going to really

enjoy it so i i need to find a car that i want to hold longer so you're doing holds interesting

i'm not going to like hold them forever we're not going to open a barn full of cars but i don't

think the multipliers have any space are you given that you following my footsteps once again

for gt next yeah that's what i was going to so kuntash for gt you want a 993 twin turbo

not them think about so no i'm gonna know i want a diabolo which would continue my tradition of

getting the next generation after years uh right i did own the range rover that came after your

range rover for but you also you had an rrc i had rrc for like six months i owned a l3 22 for

like nine years i'll get a four or five later but you won't you should uh okay they're cheap

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want to talk about felipo has some talk cars is on here i want to talk about the mazda cx5 screen

start with that you see this yeah there's a screen there's no more not i posted my video the cx5

and the comments are all the screen ruined it when is mazda gonna learn buyers don't want the screen

nobody wants the screen the screen destroyed the whole car nobody wants a screen the screen is this

is every comment and i gotta tell you folks here's what i've learned people want the screen you've

been in a tesla all of these modern cars have screens and no matter how much internet people

who buy used cars and not the market for the this this family small crossover complain screens are

what people want in 2026 they're used to a screen on their phone they're used to a screen on their

ipad they want screens and mazda had this horrible knob thing the interface was a disaster and one

of the comments that i was took particular fence to some guy was like mazda buyers don't want screens

and it's like maybe they don't but mazda wants to sell this car to more people than just mazda

they're really hoping to get back some of that market share they've been losing for the last 15

years also every maza person complained bitterly about the fact you needed to use that knob and

that the screen would turn well like you couldn't use a touch screen i agree that screens are not

the best situation for everything but you don't understand how many functions vehicles have if

you didn't have screens there would be so many buttons it be impossible i think that there's a

a good medium of screen and non-screen of like screen and climate controller screen and a few

buttons but most things should be integrated into a screen and that and i know that this is not going

to go over well with our car enthusiast audience but that is what actual consumer human beings

want to purchase who are buying new cars with their own money and that is the thing that

automakers care about and i just find though is there climate control i see the defrost in this

particular car they did take it a little too far and the climate control there are physical

buttons for defrost and defog but for heat like heated seat is three steps you got to tap a thing

tap heated seat then do a slider it's a little too much but it's not much too much like this is how

it is most cars now you open the glove box with a screen the glove box filipo and then eventually

corvette though it's got a button does it hell yeah c8 man if there was a stick c8 if that's

your one x that i just drove there would not be a good situation so 150 horsepower is too many

horsepower no yeah manuals can't handle over 400 and six only for bw to be clear anyway uh i can't

wait to get flamed in the comments for this take but i want to i'm going to continue repeating it

because the automakers are not trying to sell the cars to the used car enthusiast nameless

anonymous internet commenters they're trying to sell new cars to people who are used to using

their cell phones and no offense they're not just nameless internet commenters they're youtube

commenters which is a particular kind of internet commenter that is not better than the general

i didn't realize the youtube commenter age flip is on his phone no i'm the preference

you're what don't worry about it i did realize the youtube commenter age there was some video a

couple of months ago where i was like and i wanted to have one of these and i had it for six seven

years and the six seven thing and like all the comments like six seven six seven and i was like

oh this is the age of youtube commenters this makes sense because i myself have never had the

urge to comment on a youtube video so now i know who's doing it but it's 13 year old the guy that

was commenting that i hope your bcm module fails in your range rover he then posted on reddit saying

look he's listening to me and i made him a point and then all the people started coming

in my next video saying i hope your sos module fails and i'm just but that's the type of maturity

you get from a youtube commenter like no r&d department at mozdar or any manufacturer should

be using youtube comments for their their user research absolutely actually accurate um that's

the cx5 screen situation flip you got anything else yeah i want to talk about the nsx that we

sold alongside our front end coinbase that sold for 8,567 the buyer harris picked it up a couple

weeks ago yeah and he just other days sent me pictures of the rest of his cars oh we're gonna

put him up well well well we'll put him on a lot of cool stuff i'll show you guys in the meantime

oh evo 6 reikinen rx7 z31 wow rx7 uh that's in the back of it there's a there's a shark nose

six here is that a viper up there uh there's a viper there's a new viper hard to tell there's

like a gen two viper there's a gen one viper there's a lot of great stuff is it no they're all

generally nice uh so this isn't very good hands good it is nice when it goes i honestly felt

the multiply going to a k car owner was like the right person so it also was going on his phone

here yeah and i'll take my phone back but it basically it is joining uh incredibly the people

who buy the cars are right for the cars yeah you know like in the end they're enthusiast and and us

are not right for the cars the cars that we hold are the ones that we're right for right the cars

that we move on instantly it's survivors bias right survivorship bias something like that but

not really speaking of car this excellent it's station wagon i just want to say that you're

my family was visiting so we had two kids four adults in the car i pretty much all times for a

week straight went to the beach had beach chairs rear facing third row it just does everything

beautifully yeah everything this is this is a e-class wagon podcast yeah now that you own

one word and i really thought we all do we all have e-class station wagons of various different

ages mine is of course newer and better than yours as i'm sure you're used to better is how many

horsepower's uh let's run them let's run them all right let's do it i'm serious i still haven't

driven mine but your cars got two or five thousand miles and whatever else it's got a rent actoon

it doesn't have that yet does it even had it from the previous owner any updates on that whole

situation uh no we fixed the check engine light nice turns out two wires were plugged in wrong

and you just flip them and then it's getting manual swap right it does also need the aromatic

suspension redone oh yep they do that other than that it's great how much is that i don't know what

i do it on vacation at dc motor works he's gonna you're gonna do it or are you gonna do coils

i don't know he's gonna give me an estimate is it rear only i don't know if the whole suspension

needs redone or if it's just a minor it doesn't what's wrong but it's not it's not a fault code

it's not it could be minor no it's broke it's i i did learn because we obviously had a human in the

the trunk of the position wagon in and out and out and the rear is uh air suspension which it is in

this in on yours mine's got four wheeler special but does it really dude i'm next level you don't

even have massaging seats man right now you didn't have cooled seats i don't think no i do it was hard

to find well i got both uh i got heated rears you got heated rears of course you don't understand

my car uh but a lighter carrier yeah that's the problem uh regardless i could hear this the pump

for the rear suspension making some noise well it is supposed to make some no is this your car

yeah it's my car yeah i thought you're just brown it is brown and then the right it's hard to show up

brown it really almost always milk of black dude e-class station wagon is the best car in the

world best car in the world period uh love mine dearly and uh we'll always have it or one like it

which is why by the way i am looking for a 2001 or 2000 e55 wagon with a third row the ones on

mobile dot de that you keep sending to shawn we've seen they don't have third rows if you have a

third row 2000 or 2001 that's a facelift w210 e55 wagon silver with a third row there's a bunch of

these out there you send an email to shawn at carsandbids.com s e a n at carsandbids.com i need

this car folks the time is ticking and ideally not converted to lpg not the lorenzo not the

walorans are one we've seen all the cars on mobile dot de they don't have a third row do not send it

to us unless there are seatbelts in that back and i'm not talking about the second row folks

talking about the third let's move on to market report really quickly and talk to gtr and then

we got to do questions questions are best ever this week best ever same in my life nick get ready

a g30 nick did you see this i just right before we started the show what we wanted to talk today

on the market report about how gtrs are not declining in value and cannot decline in value

that's a 13 we're looking at this is gonna be more than msrp was this car is 13 years old it had 31

thousand miles which is low but not like a yeah nothing no this is black crazy yeah but still it

was 107 sticker 13 years ago on a nissan obama was president yeah obama he had just beaten uh

mit romney you remember that do you even remember that binder's full of women i do the dog on the

roof hot dog's my favorite food yeah here we are all these years later and this car is still bringing

all the money that the gtr market is crazy flat flat buy one of these enjoy it for a little while

sell it you ever want one of these i have actually what do you have one of these maybe it'll happen

they're out of this got the power you ever dream one of the eight but it does surpass 400 horsepower

do you ever dream one of these no they are fast yeah like a lot of people turn them into like

track toys and stuff too but even drag cars and i think they look good they're aging nicely they're

aging nicely for four modifications dyno 638 or tower that's like those modifications yeah

does no this one yeah um i just love a good gto the main reason i haven't bought one for lipo

is because i wait till they get cheap and i'm still waiting and they don't get cheap i'm waiting

forever although to your point about not wanting to lose money in bs cars anymore here's a car you

don't lose money perhaps yeah yeah you do a little montana you know what i'm saying

man would never do that i'm an upstanding citizen um that's your market i would just leave the the

price blank on the back of the bill of sale no we're gonna stop talking let the state figure

out the rest i want to move on to the question to nissan what's it worth 500 bucks right 2013

nissan yeah every other 2013 nissan was worth 8100 dollars max i want to move on to the market

report or to the questions which are brought to you by nix knows you may have seen that nix knows

there was an incident it happened because of a paint can he was what was the the paint roller

paint roll it wouldn't come off and i like that i don't hurt himself on a paint roller folks

this is a bigger travesty than ryan lopez's air conditioning we've heard the air conditioning

at one a one door closes and another paint roller hits you in the face it does i tell you

what were you painting a fence see i'm people try to make me out to be this like west coast

elitist i paint my own fence all right you were not painting a fence i i i got pictures i did it

with my son rider but our fence fell over in the in a big windstorm we had it rebuilt and then i

but i didn't pay extra for the painting because i can do the paint and then i started bleeding i had

white paint and blood coming down my face and we were supposed to be somewhere at three and this

was like 255 and i'm like honey i need like 10 minutes to get ready and then i showed up i only

band-aid i could find was a uh pop patrol one so i showed up to this play day with a pop patrol

like nelley style face bandage oh my god this is so on brand you are west coast elitist by the way

i am not you nick i hail from ohio i know but you you grew up on with with 16 watercraft

13 watercraft grew up in a town of 30 000 people in ohio yeah but everybody knew your family they

were the rich guys who had all the watercraft uh-huh whenever a boat would crash over on the lake

they'd say i bet it was one of nick's people this is coming from the mister mister denver here the

the big big fancy denver people when i was a kid when i was a kid my i never forget this

we test drove a jeep cherokee wow and my parent an xj and my parents couldn't afford to buy that

it didn't i remember sitting in the back on the test drive there i was into cars they brought me

like i was five years old probably like a test drive is before car seats were required for people

over one and i remember it didn't have rear uh headrest we couldn't even afford a car with rear

headrest nick we were impoverished well anyway all the personal watercraft must have been nice

though i'm sure you had a lot of headrest on that uh let's let's move on actually sat on a cooler for

one of those oh one of the boats only had seven seats so when they were doing a big party you

just sort of a cooler which of course was full of champagne and caviar uh the questions are great

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119 comments last week well uh question number one from edak33 in honor of your 100th episode

nick that's what this is what were your favorite moments over the last 99 episodes nick go ahead

i was absolutely booked up first you know we spent a couple hours a week for the last 100 weeks

recorded there's so many great moments yeah like for example i i can think of um uh

well it was uh it was not one moment oh no wait that one got cut um i think my favorite

moments have been all the times that i predicted things that happened all right there have been

a lot of delightful moments and great questions here's a good one from scotsman in oc scotsman

in oc this is a great question that i really want you to think on dear doug do you think the

ferrari california has become a more attractive proposition over the years we've talked on this

show before about yes how we do think that that it's gotten cheaper that it's that it's fast even

by just a silver one on the side right but he makes an interesting point that i hadn't considered

ferrari has now been switching to hybrids and v6's well the california has a naturally aspirated v8

and all this talk about how all yeah switching here's an end you want a ferrari with an na v8

okay you get a 458 speciale or but here's the thing a mondial yeah which was a predecessor

yep a little bit i agree i got has a gated manual yeah and i don't think price is going up there no

but it's still cool like i still worth 35 000 i think his point isn't necessarily that prices

should go up he's just asking do you think it has become a more attractive proposition i thought

that already before it was framed as a naturally aspirated v8 to me but now i'm sitting here thinking

this is a 70s 50 56 with some with a little incident there somewhere else but these are all

day in the 80s it's an na v8 ferrari and it drives like a ferrari it steers like a ferrari it handles

like a ferrari and it is an na v8 car sound point point taken however if you had 80 and had to buy

a ferrari which color would you get the 360 in yeah i wouldn't get this that's true for however

however it is and it is a relatively attractive proposition also a 360 cannot put on miles like

this car yeah i i've looked at these i've wanted to like them i've even thought about buying one

i just can't i can't make myself love it i don't necessarily think it is an enthusiast's car

however i do think there is a big swath of people who should like and if you're buying an s l

why if i'm in florida you could buy a new s l or one of these yep and boy would i not choose the

new s l the new s l and the out e q4 sport back are right up there against each other all day

supply the buttons will be sticky maybe actually this one looks incredibly nice i have to say i

but it's an interesting proposition i'd rather drive around in a ferrari dude you

you might rather have a new s l but i i would rather have an na v8 ferrari i'd rather have a

new s l you'd rather have a six cylinder i would standing up i don't have to he does things like

he's probably hot he messes with me or cold the air is on uh i i i agree with the premise of the

question and i think everyone does on the left side of the brain the rational side but the emotional

side much like the lamborghini e v it's hard to create that emotional connection with the california

i think someone is stick swapping one because what five of them came factory stick like literally

five something like that the if if you can manual swap it and see you have like a modern stick

that's the problem with this car the rational side of your brain will just buy

a pdk 911 yeah right for $50,000 for one the same year the the emotional side will want

something more i don't think it's necessarily i think there are two things two points to consider

number one i don't think it's necessarily an enthusiast car i think it is for the type of

person who buys a mazureti gran turismo right and then the mazureti gran turismo exists which

and it's 12 grand but that dreams of having a ferrari yeah like that brand is a big deal to

people like that and number two the ferrari 360 that you guys are talking about you can't put miles

go back to the california letter the the the the miles you can't put miles on a mazureti gran

turismo like you can put on one of these is that or yeah i'm sorry you can't put miles on a ferrari

360 like you could put on one of these mid-engine exotic car the interiors wear the cars wear etc

this car the california which we're off again uh i got distracted that is not the that is not the

situation i think this is a much more daily usable car you're again you're correct but i think it's

a styling that that ruins it for me i don't there's just something about it i just think it's not

it's not for true enthusiasts but i think there is a big market for it but then just buy a

gran turismo for a third the price but the people but i'm saying it what i've said before when you

were when you were not paying attention is that the people the people who want great like want the

brand they want the ferrari brand but this isn't like nobody to you it's not but to a lot of people

you see this you're like damn you got a ferrari i think those same people that see a california

like damn you got a ferrari would say that's about a gran turismo yeah but ferrari is like

the vaunted brand it's like the dream brand there's not many shields you got uh next question

from 72 offsuit is it just me or is the american boomer car market crumbling what boomer car would

strike your fancy at the right price nick i don't think it's just him yeah there's definitely data

to support that the especially like the 60s muscle cars but even though like like the indian

appellas pace car edition c5 and like all of these cars that appealed to the boomer demographic

they're they're getting too old for to put up with the bull that comes with those cars did you

type in boomer and like i've been ford i just want to have this so there's there's there is that i

think that is true although there are certainly exceptions to it yeah um the blue chip cars will

continue to do well what car would i like yeah there's so many i'm i'm still what boomer car

would you like most i'm trying to get off my boomer data 67 mustang that he's got sort of rotting

away in a barn um i those cars sound like much like you like your kuntosh the carbureted feel

they're slow by today's standards but like there's just something visceral and raw with it that i love

yeah i would give a split window i think that the c2 is still the most probably top five most

beautiful cars ever manufactured i really truly think the c2 and you do have to go more beauty than

driving experience yeah of course like you have to understand that that's what you're doing oh god

it's such a beautiful car yeah especially on that level it's a convertible so yeah but like any c2

even the convertibles even the non-split windows but if i had to pick any of them you'd get us here

it's so crazy it was just a time when like design was like really at the forefront and regulations

didn't force you to conform to different things you could just do all sorts of crazy stuff what would

you get old truck old truck f250 hey we have we'll have an f250 but like you know cool is there an

update on that uh a bunch of work's been done on it should i should be shipped here nicely do we

have an estimate for the amount of work yeah 1500 two grand okay from frank ap question for Doug

as a knowledgeable car person what is the most egregious example of a car related fact that

people believe to be true but turned out to be false oh my favorite one of these the most annoying

one that has ever existed is the this car's only got back seats for insurance purposes that's where

my head went to god that is the stupidest thing that people repeat and when i hear people say it at

cars and coffee two things happen number one i think to myself oh god here we go again number two

i have to get away from this conversation as quickly as possible the cars that have back seats

have them for back seat purposes your insurer has a lot more data than just doesn't have back so well

that it must be a family car let's make it cheap it's not how it works maybe it was 50 years ago

i wouldn't believe it was at some point but maybe it certainly hasn't been for decades decades

you you should see the models they have how do they know to send me a bill for exactly 6131

right you must take a precision for accuracy but yeah

huh

huh can you get come up with another example mine kind of related is bmw but other manufacturers

were pushing concepts such as lifetime fluid or 10 000 mile intervals which proved to be

in terribly wrong but even to this day like the cars don't remind you you get the oil

change to like frankly it's too late yep and those motors all had problems because and all

the consumers thought this was great i don't have to change the oil as often and it's like no you're

just screwing yourself like this is bad i mean it's a great idea in theory but no one really put

it into practice correctly also we still get oil changes every 2000 miles it's just like basic

chemicals they they do great over time it doesn't matter yeah i think people often think big old

car safe yeah and that just not how yeah that's another good way it turns out like energy you

disappear and you have to have a bunch of crumple zones you make them they don't let you make cars

out of steel anymore right back now the crumple these things crumble and that's the entire point

point the point that it crumbles and you don't die totally that's totally that is another great

one and you see that i see car accidents i saw it on the free the other day i didn't see it happen

but i drove by in some car had been destroyed in the front but the passenger car was completely

intact for a modern car it always like it's incredible how well engineered and designed

designed there does that mean that if you crash into somebody at 20 you might have to

have a lot of repairs sure right but the goal is that it keeps you safe keeps you safe and that's

all we really care about yeah uh here's a great question from jake demathis 600 to all three

what would be your choice to replace the dodge charger ford explorer for a police vehicle but

using a car from a non-american manufacturer in europe they have x5s like in the uk they use x5s

they have volvo station wagons what else what what what foreign car so if i were the police force

yeah they want cars that blend in so that they can kind of catch you speeding or doing stuff

without i want the obvious i want i love crown the end of the crown vic area because nobody

else is driving around pretend you're a law enforcement organization what would you buy

not a person trying to evade the police don't you think it would be something like a Prius

yeah because you're not doing many high speed pursuits they like they like speed though they

often have to like they're on the freeway run radar and then they got to go catch up to the person

like plug in a Prius got good downward torque that's like zero sixteen ten and a half no it's

faster than that nine and a half eight oh the new prince well you sure like you know what you

don't also don't want chintz i mean like the thing about these cars that's important is

they also bump into stuff your car breaks let's go on the freeway uh for the escape hybrid car

doesn't think about how many you had had miles this is and also in america not it's still it's

still too weak it probably needs to be a Toyota then just for durability it's a fleet use vehicle

how about the crown yeah the crowns obviously it's what they do in japan for like the high

really no but for like the like state police for the matter of question that they've how about

jaguar eyepace you could get a good deal on them save the taxpayers a lot of money take the way

most i wonder what percentage of those ended up being sold as way most all of them um okay what about

is there anything else that's like kind of a what about a four-runner in hawaii they use four

runners yeah four is not bad the issue like i want the police department to also be really

efficient with their use of taxpayer funds oh and so less like if it is a hybrid if it's a plug

in hybrid of some kind if something of durability the better fuel economy that benefits everybody

i like it when the police have big v8 chargers or when like this high and police gets donated

to like a hurricane yeah uh try to crown four runner these are all answers prius the the current

crown how about like a civic si get a little speed it's a reasonable car it's too wimpy the

cops are often no you know that's such a hit stuff it happens all in the time they push something

out of the roadway yeah sure that does happen the car gives me the civic si a crump we just talked

about no you but they had they have the brush guards for not all of them and and often they

push even if they don't have the brush guards on then that's damage regardless and i can't

for not being efficient with the taxpayers money kind of yes it's the mitzubishi eclips

not the old one the cross the cross because then you have the space it's sturdy mitzubishi would

love the sales they would make a great deal and they're forgettable cars you wouldn't notice in

traffic all right lexus is because i'm looking at what's live most people have just a regular is 250

you get an is 500 some people get an isf um the uh in aspen they use Toyota highlanders yeah

interested in that no i guess it's like a fort explorer yeah so that would work

okay that's the answer uh okay i want to do two more questions two more questions i stand by one

of them to be easily identifiable two more questions two more questions two more questions do them all

speed around from quirks and features fan dug question you've mentioned now that you have two

ev chargers installed at your house which raises the question what ev would you consider uh mercedes

e-class station wagon fleet but what ev would you consider the eq e-class wagon um i would consider

a lot of evs but you've never done that like what would actually make you whatever has the most

attractive lease deal yeah but there have been some really attractive i know you haven't done

how have i not what would make you step in what the problem is even though we own four cars five

cars at the moment things i got on hand uh we need a card that can go at least 500 miles range

to get to in laws which we do really regularly yeah and the the lucid air i guess would do that

well what about you just charge it in yuma for 89 for 89 bucks a month charging it in the healer

bend is that really so healer bends right next to a top we don't go through healer bend you got

the one in yuma yeah but then you got to stop in yuma you know uh what we do wonderful listen

i do like yuma actually you have a cute little downtown it's nice uh i should consider more

of that i should the i actually am into the new toyota busy woodland and the super variant that's

five grand cheaper inexplicably yeah the trail seeker because it's like a little wagony trail

seeker right uh kind of into that i'm i strongly consider an Ioniq five when lease deals are

really attractive there's a lot that i consider okay but you've never done it i would consider

a rivian r2 or so the answer is there's nothing i could see him in an Ioniq six because he's

contrarian and it's a bit of a contrarian vehicle i'm a hashback you know there's now aionic six

n yeah oh that's super pretty cool because like everybody's on the Ioniq five n and it's a little

gear thing i would consider a ton of my next car will be a plug-in hybrid uh yeah you know yeah is

it will it because you you said that a long time and then you got a truck that has a v8 and gets

two miles per day oh that was inherited oh and then there's going to be some qualifier for oh well

that was whatever the truck it has two gas tanks as it's common but one of them we need to do a

bunch of work to actually use so you're just gonna use just one i will tell you 20 gallons of that

that's going to mean 200 miles i will tell you it is so nice in the kuntash of all the compromises

that car has it is so nice to be able to just pull up at either side of the pump and never think about

it yep do you have to switch tanks or is there no this isn't a 40s car nick what ev would you buy

r2 g-wagon eq basically any suv that fits like a family slash daily car yep totally that's the

only ev application i'm interested in the what's it tell you right the k9 the ev 9 ev 9 Ioniq

something like that would be fine k9 uh okay they had the k5 but you haven't done that i would also

love to ev swap my land rubber okay i'm not even gonna watch what what yeah you can put like a tesla

skate with you you can't i would pay a shop to do it there is no shop in the world nick that's a 40

thousand dollar job defender traders will do it it's like a hundred nick that car is also that

doesn't make any sense it'd be fast it'd be reliable it would be it still somehow would be

unreliable i don't know how but it would um nick how come you haven't actually done this you got

some money you can do it i don't got that kind of money for no no no no you have to come up for the

evs you said you'd get an r2 like i i'm having conversations with my wife my wife is also off

cars after the multiple sale and so we've decided to just stay the course with our current fleet

okay okay all right last question from jj silva seven what is the manliest man car not an suv

not a truck car charger six pack yeah no but i think one of those wide body chargers probably

right or like a demon yeah i was gonna say the ws6 that you have in the basement yeah

ws6 is about as toxic masculinity as it gets in a good way

c8 zero one x yeah or zero one ztk i think that the tune said before certainly an american

muscle car yeah yeah something like that yeah although trx raptor are kind of truck though you

know that's our hundred when why did i buy an ev i should have i should have at least any

hundred episodes folks what an unbelievable experience this sti is ending it'll be over by

the time you watch this and you'll have seen what happened 100 episodes nick do you have anything

any wisdom for the next hundred well i wonder i mean you've you've stuck to the format too haven't

you uh yeah is there any desire to switch it up no we had hoovy on once yeah if if we have good

people are always asking to come on yeah one of the things that i've realized that when someone

asked to come on it means they don't watch because they think we have gas so we don't have gas and

it's like oh well but i'm willing to have someone really good on it was like hoovy you're better

hoovy or better so like who would be whistling is the only one i was gonna say you could name

one person who would be the the guest chair um if we could have one person on who would it be i would

have with me i think you need to have matt farron because he has you on once a year yeah maybe for

like new years matt farron before we did this car pod we did live now with cars and bits he came on

live shows he came on he's great you know what we should have on one of these days is the air

conditioner repair man the technician who fixed ryan's air we should have him do like a blow-by-blow

of what happened what was so difficult about this how we were able to finally get it solved right

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