Larry Kosilla's Extreme Detailing

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He's having some second thoughts about his 911 GT3, but not so about his Ford Model T. And we talk TV production and all of that stuff, as well as a little blast from our past. On this episode of the Smogentire podcast with Larry of AMO and now of Extreme Detailing on Discovery, let's do it.

Lawrence, P. Kasilla, the third tree, the third, not the second. Don't look at it. We need two others to this. Welcome to the program. Larry's here from New York because he got a television pilot that it aired on Discovery Channel.

Let's talk about that shit. You can also watch it on YouTube, YouTube Discovery channels, Discovery Plus and HBO. Yeah, but yeah, do one of those. If you have a streaming platform, do it there first, but if you don't have any other way, then you can get it on YouTube.

But we'll get to that in a minute. I have a lot of questions from our patrons. First, again, I must apologize. We're not doing this one live because Zach is up north on a vacation. He's a backpacking across the Sierra's or some shit.

He got, he got cell service for like, not cell service. I think he connected to the Apple satellite for like 20 minutes the other day, because I got like three texts from him, checking in, not no one's dead. His like uncle, like, who's like 70 something fell over and like, it was a miracle. He wasn't hurt. He's with his wife and dog and his dad and his uncle and his dad's friends. That's cool. They do this trip like every year.

Not to get too personal into Zach's life, but he does. He has talked about it on the show. But so anyway, he's not here. I can't fucking do this and do this and also do live. So I don't. So once again, there's a lot going on here. Once again, my apologies for the patrons who pay for a live show that I can't deliver just this one time, but they'll let it slide.

They usually do. They're a forgiving bunch. Those patrons, because they're invested, right? It's like, it's like if you bought Trump steaks. And here we go. It's like, if you buy Trump steaks, you'll be like, you know, okay, he was on the plane. Right. He went to the island, but he didn't do anything. You're invested.

Hi, let's do let's do let's do a one two shot. So it looks like we're talking to each other.

What are you doing over there? I think it's awesome. On my tablet. Yeah, I'm controlling the cameras. I'm selecting like a like a news director would camera to exactly be doing right now. Yes. Yeah. That's why like to do that job. You definitely you have to like multitask, but you probably shouldn't be like

communicating lean in the show and also have to do that. It's a suboptimal experience, but I think we get her done. I think we'll make it happen. We get her done. There's slightly less B role. Don't forget, of course, to follow Zach has inverse scrolling to me. It's very.

Jordan has the same thing sharing a computer very, very difficult, but follow ammo NYC on Instagram. Of course, ammo NYC on YouTube for all of Larry's videos.

He has more fucking subscribers than us. It's not us. So we just we just went for a little morning drive. I can't be like, what's up? Cause we've been hanging out for.

I got her last late last night. So yeah, we went to dinner. Yeah. We had we had ramen very nice. Yes. And we got. I took you to salt and straw. That was ice cream next level. That was good.

And then we went to Malibu this morning for breakfast in the Myers-Manks, which was a hell of fun. Unbelievable. I equate it to a tighter 964 of all the cars that I have. Like I said, the 964 to me is the most tight. And I literally mean that like it's almost every screw has been tightened an extra little bit. And it feels good.

This particular car, your car was just very, very tight, but at the same time compliant because we were on some rough roads, whatever off road suspension.

Yeah, I it's pretty cool very much. Yeah, it's great. There's not a lot of better cars for going 35 miles an hour to Malibu. I would say I would agree with that. I think you can do a lot of, you know, better cars in different, you know, up in the mountains or whatever, but to go on PCH at 35 miles an hour literally with cops every 10 feet. I think that's the best one.

It's the best car ever. I mean, how crazy is it to do that driving a 500 horsepower car? It makes absolutely no sense, but in this car, that's great. I feel like I could literally touch the ground.

Well, I almost, yeah, I learned. I have that on camera right now. You got to watch the studio video. I'm filming him right now. He's like, look at this. And then look at that. And he puts his hand out the window and his, what are those things called?

Ballards ballers ballers plastic. Yeah, like a plastic baller. Dude, I was so like, oh my gosh. I'm waiting to have you have your come bring your hand back in like half your. Yeah, I thought I thought I lost part of my hand. I'm like, look at this thing that's like burned down from the fire.

Yeah, for fact, plastic, you know, your face is great though. You're like, you know, you do that thing. You're like, yeah, I'm okay. Okay. I have everything. Yeah, for a second. I was like, do I have a thumb? I'm unsure. Stings.

It's fine now. We're okay. That was a, that was very short. And then someone pulling out on us. I didn't have that film. Then we almost got T-bone, which is great. Yeah, it was all rack and pinion steering, maybe.

Superior driving that you had the moose test. Yes. Wow, it's true. It was like a moose test, but it was crazy was there was somebody in front of her telling her to pull out. Like, like trying to be like savior. He's like, yeah, come on out. We're like, dude, it's crazy. Yeah, fun times though. We have seat belts sort of.

I don't know. In that car, I'm not sure the seat belts would do. You have lap belts. I mean, it's kind of just holding you in as you flip over. Yeah, just ensuring you die in the car, rather than out of the car with a warm butt with a heated seats. Hey, those work.

They work too good on the high. Those are good. Yeah. All right. And, dude, Larry's got his fucking notice. Yeah, now his canyon based Sentinel. That sounds that sounds like it's ready to like murder people, which is funny because it's a thing that's, no, a Sentinel protects. Doesn't it? It doesn't murder. No. So this is the first watch that we know of that is usually if a watch features a protections.

It's designed to protect the things inside the watch like shock resistance and whatever. This is designed to protect whatever you might knock the watch into such as a car. Were you working on it? Yes, the idea is I don't really wear watches when I'm detailing for painfully obvious reasons. How can I get a watch that allows me to do both. And so what's cool is even the glass is scratch resistant as well. Oh, is it easily. Yeah, so that. And then there's rubber around here.

I mean, I can never remember what what is it when you have it reversed. Oh, it's a what's a lefty crown. It's a lefty. Yeah, they got some decent. Destro something like the show. It's like fucking Italian. Yeah, that's what he was saying. I was like, I can't remember that. Yeah, it's a lefty crown. So the crown faces away from the car. Correct. If you're going like this, you're not going to scratch it. Of course, if I wear it. That's true. That's true. Yeah. I don't like where I'm lefty. And I wear my watch on my right hand, but I actually don't like lefty watches for that reason. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not. No. No.

This thing is cool. It's rat. Yeah. I guess you can buy it at notice his website. Yep. I should probably pull that up. Shouldn't I hang on give me a second. Um, I asked you how much it was. And you told me you didn't know. No, I told you 999. Oh, you did. Oh, look at that. It's right on the homepage. Look at us. We didn't even plan that there. You are sentinel for ammo. And why see hell but now let's see 100 pieces. Uh, and the crown on the left keeps it out of harm's way. Oh boy. I know of ups, baby. I know a couple of them already.

The custom molded TPU bezel is soft to the touch impact resistant and won't mar a surface of contact is made in acrylic crystals used for lightweight and shadow resistant properties. And uh, yeah, that looks tragic on the crystal can easily be polished out allowing the watch to maintain its pristine appearance. Even after rigorous use. So people has, um, people have asked me about a more affordable version of the canyon. This is it. Like this is the canyon.

My watch. No, no, what the cost? Oh, the regular colors were 1299 and the mother of pearl is going to be 1750. Got it. So this is the, um, the less expensive. Yeah. So this is this is on the same architecture, same movement. A very similar case. The case isn't exactly the same, but it's a, it's very similar. Um, and the overall aesthetic is similar. Um, but cheaper.

The inspiration was the 964. So if you look at it, you know, it's black and it's got the gold wheels, you know, and so that's what that's where that came from.

It is a lovely watch. And I really like the rubber strap, too. I'm going to have to ask, um, Wes and Colin to send me a couple of, uh, of the rubber straps for my watches. I want to fuck. Yeah. I can't wear the ones that you wear. Well, that's not. Oh, why the bracelets. Yeah, the bracelets. They just slide around too much. I grabbed my hair. I like the rubber.

All right. There you go. They're the quick release. They're interchangeable. So there you go. So you can get that at, uh, notices website. I need to hit all the waters behind my computer, bro.

Um, okay. Let's talk about this. Tell us a show because that's really why you're extreme detail. Let's go back. I got to pull it up. I'll pull up the shit right here. Tell me about it. We'll start on the static. Oh, there's a real. Oh, it's actually a real muted real.

Uh, so tell me about the show. All right. So I would say, I think I, I think I told you maybe two and a half years ago, I got a phone call from some folks, uh, producing a show for the history channel.

And it was about, you know, very old cars, dirty and cleaning them. And they said, do you know anybody that does this? And I was like, uh, okay. And they described basically like a word for word what my YouTube channel was.

And so it was like this very disconnected thing. And I was like, I can't tell if you're trying to like, are you trolling me? Exactly. I would serve as a gag or something. Uh-huh. And then, you know, what, what I learned is, you know, they have, uh, you know, interns or whatever calling people calling this part of that, that kind of thing. And I was like, yeah, this is literally what I've been doing for, you know, at that time, it's 15, 16 years.

And so, uh, long short of it is we were going to do a show. We went all down the road and contracts, but basically they didn't feel that they wanted me to continue doing YouTube would be exclusive on that. And I said, no, I think I'm cool. I want to, you know, keep doing YouTube. I would really enjoy because I enjoy doing it. And so we parted ways. And I took that concept. And I said, okay, let's just go to discovery and discovery was awesome. And they're like, yes, you, of course, keep doing your social media. Keep doing Instagram. Keep doing your details.

But, uh, can you help us find and produce? So instead of, you know, just being like an actor, one of many actors on a history channel, I was now the executive producer on a show that I could be able to design. And in this case, that particular car, we were probably like a week or two before we were filming the actual episode.

And I really wanted to have something that was amazing, but you can't just squeeze out a car. You can't like, okay, I'm just going to grab a mirror in somebody's living room.

And so I had a buddy call me legitimately while we were filming. So this is real. And I said, I, it was almost like, you know, God sent kind of thing. I'm like, I can't believe it. This is going to be the open to the show.

I called the studio and I say, I have a mirror sitting in the guys living about it. They're like, no, that's just not for us. I'm like, I'm telling you right now, this is going to be the biggest thing ever.

And sure enough, instead of having like a 30 person crew or whatever it was, I had one camera guy. And then during this, the shoot, which is really interesting, we, we went in there, one camera guy, my guy was actually buying the car and ended up buying it for 1.2.

And I was doing a real job of verifying the van and all that kind of stuff. And so when we're walking in, we had to in the episode, which already aired so I can, you know, spill the beans, we moved the cars that were already in his garage out so that we could then prepare to knock down the wall, which you see in the clip here.

When we were doing that, we had to move everything out of the guys house. Now at this point, it's about 17 degrees outside, and it's like two, three weeks, one or two weeks before I went to Australia. And that comes back in the story.

So it's 20 degrees here. We move everything out. We put it on his lawn. All the neighbors come out thinking that this man, this gentleman passed away. And then like we were going in there like,

pilfering all this, like taking all this stuff. And so his neighbors coming by and they're kind of like aggressive and like, what's up? No, no, no, he's still alive. We're just filling a show, whatever.

And we didn't have anybody there to like block the road or like give us a little bit of space. And so what happens is in this particular area in Long Island, like straight out of sopranos,

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This is not a joke. And I'm like, oh, hey, what's up? And they're friends of him. Like, what are you doing? I'm like, we're shooting a show blah, blah. We explained it 25 times. And so they weren't really thrilled because they didn't think they didn't want him to sell the car.

But it was like, he called us, you know, and he was like, no, no, I'm trying to sell the car. You know, I need to move on with my life or whatever. So the guy who is now annoyed about this because I think he wanted to buy the car some sort of weird thing. He stood by while we were filming.

So I'm there's a shot where I'm talking to the guy bear it and we're looking we open this up and we open up the clamshell and the engines there. And I'm going, I'm saying, oh, look, it's numbers matching, et cetera, et cetera.

The dude walks into the shot. It happens. And I was like, okay. And the camera man's like, all right, cut. Let's do it again. And we're like, hey, sir, can you, you know, move out or, you know, tight little, it's tired. It's like this tight.

And he's like, no. And then like, everything goes like, because he was like, no, I'm not moving. And we're like, what do you say to somebody at that point?

We explain the situation. And he goes, no, no, I can stand wherever I want. And we're like, whoa, like we're not trying to be aggressive. Like he called us here.

And so we ended up convincing him, hey, can you, can you move out of the shot? And he goes, okay, okay. And I'm not using all the words that he used, but you can understand, right? So he's like screaming at us. So then he goes behind pretend I'm the cameraman and you're me.

And so the cameraman's here. And then he goes behind the cameraman takes his phone out, but he has an iPhone that has the sound on. And so when he's taking pictures.

So clink clink. And I'm like, now I'm pouring sweat because I'm worried I'm going to get like beat up in this whole place. And so fast forward, we get through this whole, this whole situation. Now we're knocking down the wall. We're pulling the car out.

And on the wall are all these, you know, like in an older person's house, they have like shovels from 1920 and like brooms and like all this kind of stuff, right?

Like in the garage.

So we moved all these cars out and we're cleaning it up. And as we took out like a broom off and we're sweeping up after I'm knocking down the wall.

So that when the car drove over, I didn't like get a nail in it or whatever. So we're cleaning this up. My guy Jordan is doing that.

As he's cleaning this up, I'm banging, right? He's scooping and shoveling it out.

And these guys in the jumpsuits walk out. And as Jordan is like shoveling things out, he bumps one of the things on on the wall.

It falls down on binostos because we have, you know, headphones on and we're banging stuff. It falls down and this, this, these guys catch it on their foot and he trips.

He thought that my guy Jordan purposely bumped it and come. He grabs Jordan by the neck and puts them up on the wall.

We had to stop filming because we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, this is not like reality television. I was like worried that we were going to get like whatever.

And the camera man's putting the camera down and he's like, he's negotiating. And I'm, I don't know what I'm, I don't know what to tell him.

The film or stop choking Jordan at this point because I'm like, is this like a thing? So that particular shoot was absolutely insane.

And so we ended up getting it out. Everything was fine. And then at that point, another neighbor came by and started with a gimbal.

Started filming like with us. And the Discovery Channel guy was like, you can't film it. I can't make any of this up. It was like an absolutely crazy story.

So we ended up getting that. And it became the opener of the episode.

And it cost you like one guy getting strangled.

Yes.

And by the way, when I knocked that wall down, I didn't have a PPE with me because I didn't really expect to be knocking down a wall.

Yeah.

Like I thought we just had like move a wall or like, you know, like a, like a shirt.

Like, I don't know what the hell I was expecting, right? So I got violently ill like the day afterwards because when you knocked it down, I was pulling out newspapers, which were used as insulation from 1940.

So then like a couple days later, a week later, I got on a plane in Australia to go do the Australia and will launch.

I was like devastated on the plane the whole time. Yeah. So that's the real story behind the first, the first episode. Yeah.

So that aired on Tuesday, August 5th. But now like I said, it's on HBO Max and everything.

So we're hoping that we get the views that we are expected to get so that we can continue on with the season.

And so from what I learned, I don't know what you've done way more television than I have.

But I said, how are we judged because I don't know the expectations and I don't know what hurdle to jump.

I don't know how high I'm jumping where I'm jumping. You know, I mean, it's like a logical conclusion, right?

So they said that it basically comes down to the show before which was Mud Madness, where it's a bunch of guys in Tennessee like racing each other through the mud. I don't know.

Yeah. And so they like the juxtaposition of mud cleaning. Sure.

Okay. And so they said, then you got a clue. Of course, of course. And so they said if I'm using an arbitrary number of 70% of people in this whatever are watching the show,

yeah. Do you retain that same percentage from one show to the next as a grow does it decrease by how much that's exactly what we were told about drive on NBC sports from the show before. Yeah.

And what was the show before NASCAR races. Oh, come on.

It's like how to lose. Yeah. Yeah. We had a really fair shot.

Yeah, really fair. So how much percentage did you lose? I mean, you were going to lose. But I was a ton. It was like our goal was to lose less.

Like that was the goal. I don't remember the exact percentage, but like, but that was like there were like 100% right? Let's just call it 100% 100% and we got it to 60 for, you know, 27 minutes.

It was like a huge victory. Right. I don't know what the metrics are. It was an absolute. I was like, wait, I'm sorry. What they want to know how many people we can retain after the checkered flag of a NASCAR race.

Like, are you fucking shit? Those guys are drunk. They're gone. They've been watching for four hours by accident. What are we doing over here? Yeah, so that was that was exactly how they did the math.

Right. And so now they've taken that plus like modern stuff where now HBO plus and discovery plus and the YouTube, they're taking all of that and combining it with the Nielsen report and the lost game thing we just talked about to then come up with an overall.

So tomorrow, today's Sunday. So tomorrow Monday. I'm so that's why I'm here is to figure out like how we did like a preliminary view. And then in four weeks, I get another test of figuring out like the long term is this makes sense.

And so, you know, watch that. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah, there's some there's that's one. There's like what three storylines. Yeah, we shot like eight or nine storylines. Of course, they get the pick and choose which one they want. Yeah, the one the first one, the one they didn't want.

I randomly was the mirror and they took it as the first one. Right. And then the delorean the delorean. Yeah, and then the discovery.

Yeah, I think it was disgusting. It was in New Canaan. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, those are the three in the episode. It's great. We love it. We're hoping it goes well. But yeah, it's at the very minimum. And I know you and I've talked about, you know, spoken about this after, you know, not on on on podcasts or whatever, but it's just cool to check the box. Like, yes, we went from YouTube to television. You're hoping pray goes somewhere, but you know.

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The irony is like what's the irony is like, you know, you probably can't say this, but I can.

The best case scenario for you is no is that the TV show promotes the YouTube channel. Right. Like that's actually really what you, it's the opposite of what me and Tom and Zach and Thad started 15 years ago.

Right. Where we were doing YouTube channel in hopes of getting a TV show. You know, now you're, you're kind of doing a TV show in hopes of growing your YouTube channel.

That's not completely wrong. Yeah. Right. Because I can control the YouTube. Now the difference between television and YouTube. I think most people don't.

Rightfully so understand because they're not, they're not behind the scenes. I didn't know either. But the speed with which you can do YouTube. Obviously the control that you have with YouTube.

The story lines, the scripts, how you cater to your actual, you know, viewer base. It's completely different than that of television.

I didn't, I didn't understand and appreciate that in the beginning. And I'm still somewhat ignorant because I felt and I still feel to this day that the television.

You know, was shot much better than let's say that than I would, of course, with these zillion dollar cameras. But I, I mean, the amount of time and thought and the scripts and the smoothie guys and the like, I mean, there's like a million people on set.

And it's like, it's so interesting to see the difference between the two. And I argue, you know, I wonder, you know, what the spread is between the two of them based on how much you put in. You follow what I'm saying. Yeah. I know. But like, I mean, I don't know. For me, like the best, I suppose the best case scenario is just a YouTube channel.

That gets enough traffic that you can use a nice camera. But still not have a corporate infrastructure to support.

Right. You know, that's the problem with what sucks about TV. I mean, the trade off of TV is there's a vast increase in resources.

But those resources come with a corporate infrastructure that makes that makes anyone who comes from YouTube go, wait a minute. Why can't we just do that?

Do you mean sometimes I had that conversation. My agent said the same thing goes, I understand. I must have heard, you need to just relax.

But these things take time. And I get it. And I'm not like bashing it. It's just a different beast. What do you mean we can't do this thing?

I was like, why don't we just rebuild the engine? It's like, well, we don't have the X, my XYZ for I'm like, what do we do? Like, why do we need a helicopter?

Yeah. So I was just told a million times that I was an idiot. And then not only the TV show, but the entire network went under.

You know, who's an idiot? No, but listen, I worked out the best we could because I can only imagine with the first group, because there was a lot more restrictions in the first group.

So going to the next one and working with the new producers and stuff, you know, is everything perfect? No, nothing. I don't think ever any production group, you know, any television is perfect.

But I definitely went as well as I could have hoped with the constraints that we had in the time frame and blah, blah, blah. I think, let me say this way, the issue with creating something that's amazing.

And I don't know how to get around this is for you to create something amazing. You can't, you cannot force it into one week. That's what I learned.

Like, you, you can't force like a wonderful story because then I think things.

You mean the, the PIMP my ride rule doesn't apply? Like, you actually, it turns out you cannot actually restore a vehicle and then do.

Like, you can do it really fast. The GTI episode, which I'm, that we'll talk about a second. That was five weeks. That was like insanely fast. And it was five weeks.

So I'm trying to figure out a way to keep the high quality camera and the high quality production and all the, you know, artists and the people that were there, they were amazing.

And how do you do that with not a budget of $25 million or whatever, like a, like a movie? How do you do that?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know other than you, except that it's going to take longer, but pick many milestones within it and go look, I don't need camera guys for six months when I need our camera guys for six days, one day a month.

And I need to be able to plan to have some kind of progress to show at each of these milestones.

That's what I would probably do. I don't know if that's the perfect answer. That answer may fucking suck.

That's optimistic because you know, if you get in, like, let's say you split into six things, and you have the first and one, two, three or five, six milestones.

On milestone three, we both know how many stores, how many cars have you and I restored? Like, there's never right.

And there's always something that goes wrong that then you have to move this and you have to call 700 people to shift that guy from that movie to this thing.

No, I mean, I mean, then the answer is literally you have like one PA that knows like a little bit about camera work who's just like on site that is the capture it in the moment guy.

I think that's the smartest way because that's what we're doing.

You didn't do that. One dude, like a 25 year old blah, blah, blah, blah. That has the camera and so on and so forth.

Your job is to be ready for if anything dramatic happens.

And if you do that, then I think the quality of the coffee that you make is so much better from the grind.

Sure.

Just like jamming it in and making it work and having it.

So, but I also understand and appreciate that that's how that.

So, to me, I guess the moral story is I didn't know that that proves are more expensive than engine rebuilds.

That's the oh, that's the way to think about it.

That's that's correct.

That's exactly what it was.

Even pick a show over Holland, Pimp my ride, fucking gas monkey, whatever.

The production crew is so much more expensive than doing a build.

So, if you got to fucking shit out the build in order to fit the needs of the production crew, like so be it. That's fucking TV, bro.

So, then what's the solution to making better higher quality content without having to like stay in that top gear did it by being funded by the government?

Well, I have high hopes for extreme detailing, but I'm not exactly sure that that's happening here.

Anthony Bourdain did it by being so good at his thing that nobody could say no to letting him do it.

And he had offers and he didn't have to water his shit down for anybody.

That's how he did. He was so good at it that he could.

That's what I'm hoping we get picked up.

I don't want to say have a little bit more latitude, but.

Well, that's what everybody wants.

Yeah, just not a lot of things, not the right word.

I just want to be able to create the story that I like, would like to create that I'm doing on YouTube now, but with maybe a little bit more budget and a little bit more like, okay.

Bro, my car, they had a year.

The blue car we drove today.

And it had to be done for pebble.

This isn't a television show.

Right.

It was done five days before it has to go to pebble starting from a year ago.

And Jonathan and Chris, the guys who are responsible for radials at banks.

The last two days I saw them were both very sweaty, stressed out and not sleeping.

And we didn't have to write that shit.

That's real.

Yeah, that's real.

You don't really need to, you just need to film, it's like an auction.

You really just need to pay attention at the end.

So the GTI that we did, which is coming out now, the next week or so, probably right around when this podcast comes out.

We found that in the ground.

And I was like, you know what, this is a perfect time to have this as the quintessence of what I wish I could have done with five weeks.

When I understand we only had a week, I get it.

And we made amazing television in a week.

But like, let's say if I had five weeks to do it in with no constraints and have that PA that was running around that metaphorical PA.

That's what I did with this GTI.

And we had two terabytes, we had two terabytes of footage, which like everybody.

That is so much.

Because we had him as an editor and be like, what, you have what?

He was, he was 40 hours in and it was half done.

And I was like, oh, that bill is going to be crazy.

Oh my god, you lost so much money on that video.

Yeah, well, I did.

That one, that one.

That one I did.

But I was trying to run an experiment and be like, okay.

We've got some crews cost more than kitchen rebuilds Larry.

Yeah, yeah.

So, in truth, the edit would be more than the cost of the car when I bought it.

No, for real.

An editor's day rate is at least as much as that of a mark specialist for Volkswagen.

Absolutely.

Absolutely people.

So at the end of it, I always do like the, you know, the balance sheet on it.

I'm like, oh, I broke even again.

Or like, I just lost a little bit on it.

But it's a great episode.

But I really wanted to exercise that like, okay, if I could do it the way that I wanted to do it.

And I'm still doing it with like five Ds and a seven threes or whatever.

You know, like normal cameras instead of the big thing that they had, you know, like where you have to have like a guy, two guys carrying it kind of thing.

This is what I would have shot because we were at everything that we needed to be at for the whole entire five weeks.

So that's the part that I'm trying to, I'm struggling with.

If we could somehow figure out a quicker way of doing it, that would be, that would be the best way.

And you know what?

I wasn't, you see this, the DJI.

Yeah.

I'd like, there's no plug in there and I sponsor whatever.

Like half the show, there was some spots where I saw the directors and stuff using this.

And I was like, excuse me.

I was like, what are you, what is this here?

And he's like, oh, it's a DJI.

And I'm like, you're using this to get, you know, and there was some footage with it.

And I was like, really?

And that's why I was like, okay.

I've been, I've had GoPro's in television, professional grade television productions.

I've been in for 12, 14 years.

The reason I bring that up is like, well, if this is acceptable, which is awesome.

I'm not like, I think it's great.

Yeah.

I'm like, fuck, I need you for it.

I'm saying, why can't we just buy seven of these things for like one lens of the new one, right?

And then put it at the five locations and be like, hey, dude, flip that thing on when you're doing a whatever.

So I don't have to, you see what I'm saying?

I wish we could spend time figuring out.

What you want the good camera for is the interviews.

Right.

That's what you need.

You want it because you want to fucking look, you know, good lighting.

And lighting, you want the blurriness in the background.

Yeah.

You want that to look nice.

Yeah.

Chain sawing.

And my thing, think about like I'm reaching underneath and I'm pulling out like some disgusting thing.

I don't need like, whatever.

So I think these are little tweaks that we can make.

But, you know, no complaints.

I learned a ton.

I hope it gets picked up.

And if it does, I would love the streamline to be able to do better things like build the engines or rip apart the cars or whatever.

So anyways, that's the best thing.

I've known you since we were 12.

12 years old.

I've never once in my life heard.

I've never seen any affinity for a Volkswagen GTI.

And all of a sudden you're like, I'm $50,000 into a Fickin' GTI that I pulled out of the woods.

And what's your memory of you and me?

I'm going like, what are you doing?

Like, I can't help myself when I see something that that's cool.

So I found out from above.

I mean, you had the rabbit which, you know, was amazing.

The diesel rabbit.

It's 50 bucks.

Yeah.

But it was worth $50.

It was absolutely $50 of fun.

Yeah, it was the best thing ever.

In fact, in the GTI episode I showed you last night.

There's a podcast or a little blurb of the podcast of you and I talking about it.

So yeah, I knew of them.

I knew that that was like the holy grail, et cetera.

And when I got contacted by my buddy Jeff, I saw it and I was like, dude, how much?

And for the guy, it was like one of those ones.

I got to get rid of this car.

If you want it, you can have it for this much.

But you got to get it out today kind of deal.

And those always like my ears go up and like, all right, I can't not take a swing at this.

And I did.

I was like, sure, take it.

So I brought it back.

And then when I finally investigated, I thought it was a 92.

So you see throughout the episode.

I have photos of it here somewhere.

I'm sure I do.

Hang on.

Keep it right there.

That's when it's done.

I got you.

So when he told me the price and when he told me what it was, it was a 92.

And I was like, it's a 91.

It's a 91.

But he told me.

Why does that matter?

It doesn't because in the beginning of the episode, I'm like, I finally got my 92, whatever.

And then when we started doing like Vin Verification and going through and like disassembling the engine,

we're like, I had a bunch of pros come in.

They like do it.

And why do you care that it was a 92?

I just because I looked like an idiot because I say it was a 92 for the first part of the video.

And people like, dude, it's a 91.

All right.

So I'm covering my base.

But you can see it was sitting at this guy's place.

Yeah.

And then from 91 to 92, from what I understand, hopefully your viewers can correct me on this.

But from what I understand, there's only 500 ever made in Montana, green.

The reason or part of the reason why is nobody wanted it.

Yeah.

That's the best way to get a color.

That was like Cassice red.

I'm not so far apart.

They hated it.

Or frozen berry.

Right.

And so now it's super hot.

So when I called my VW buddy, Corey, and I told him what it was, I gave him the Vin.

He's like, dude, this is like the rare of rare.

And if you can get it for that price, which is a few thousand dollars, he's like, you're out of your mind.

Build it, you know, get it, get it built.

And so it just kind of steamrolled and steamrolled.

And I thought I was just going to detail it as a disaster detail and be all right.

But this thing was such a hot mess that all the mice and all the urine was in the heater box.

So we had to like disassemble the whole dashboard and everything.

And then once you did that, and I get J&B, those guys are nuts.

When J&B gets involved, they're like, no, we're not doing like half half ass stuff.

We're going to we're going to go all the way.

And so they ripped all of it apart.

And then I called my buddy Bill.

And this dude is like the GTI whisperer.

And if you saw all that like spaghetti of like, who's ever going to put this back together.

So although I lost my GTI badge on the back.

I don't know if you saw that badge that was on the back of it.

I did not.

Can you not get another like on a titanium?

I had it.

And then I brought it down to the, it's just, I don't know.

It's like, it vanished somewhere.

But yeah, that's the day that it came in.

And that's when we went to how much are you into this GTI?

Quite quite quite a bit.

How much?

Quite a bit.

60?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

It's awesome though.

Yeah.

It's awesome though.

Is it?

It's pretty cool.

It's actually, it's like a very underpowered, very light early 9.11.

Like it feels, it feels solid.

And it handles great.

It just doesn't have any power.

Yeah.

The seats in it are incredibly comfortable.

But there are cars probably.

Way more comfortable than the GT3.

Yeah.

Like super comfy.

Right now it's back at Bill for two reasons.

One, there's an over, over the, over steering wheel clutch.

Something, I prefer the name of it, but like when you push on the clutch,

there's this special like spring and, and like plastic piece that makes it recoil.

Like a helper spring?

Yeah, kind of like that.

Much return spring.

Touch, but it was named something else.

And it's very, very hard to find.

So I have to get a 3D printed.

So essentially the first, like probably two, three inches of the throw are very limp.

So you have to like lift it up with the back of your foot.

It's kind of annoying.

And then the shifter itself is like my old 964 where you can literally just go,

da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, that kind of thing.

So it's at the shop right now getting those two things fixed.

But once those are fixed, it's very, very tight for what, what it is.

It's cool.

It's very cool.

It's a cool fun car.

But it's just like that's, it's a huge amount of fun.

It's a huge amount of time to put into a GTI.

I just, I couldn't help myself.

All right.

And it's forward door.

See, here's the thing.

Now I feel every single car I have besides the Cayenne is two door.

It's the most fun thing in the world, blah, blah, blah.

And when you and I just went out for that drive, I'm like, man, if I lived here,

I would love to go for just a 35 mile an hour drive, beautiful view, arm out the window,

just to kind of get it out of the system, come home, and you're good to go.

I really have that in Connecticut.

It's just like not, this is not what that is as you know.

I mean, you have to go up and stay either way.

And where I am in my life, it's baseball, baseball, baseball, kids work, you know, family, the whole thing.

So the GTI was like, okay, in my pee brain was going like, okay, if I spend money on this,

I can have a GTI for a little while and be able to have a back seat.

So now I drive back and forth to baseball, whatever, you know, family things.

And it's like, yay, I get the drive like a cool car to it.

It's so funny, like everyone I know who has kids and likes cars.

It's just, it's kind of all go into this thing where all of a sudden they start shitting on sports cars

because they don't hold their fucking kids.

And I'm just like, I'm so happy that I, A, I don't have fucking kids.

B, that not everybody is deciding that every car needs to fit fucking kids in it.

Because every car that has a back seat is like worse than every car that doesn't have a back seat.

It's true. It's just a two plus two is like the shittiest configuration of car.

I think you need to go all one direction or the other to get the best of the best.

But, you know, as your dad, as a dad, you know, you want to do the right thing and a car.

So that's the, I was telling you, again, off air, like I love the GT3.

I think it's the greatest thing ever. It's unbelievable.

It's the ship that, what do you have a fucking back seat put in it?

They do that now.

I know, but even then I was thinking about ripping out the interior,

dying on that and everything because, I mean, it is a tin can.

Yeah, add weight.

The add weight to the GT3. That'll add value.

Oh, I'm going deaf driving it right now.

And you're like, why don't you change the exhaust because I'm like, it sounds so good.

That's funny. He won't take off his fucking straight pipe,

but he's going to add dynamite to the thing.

He's talking about it.

Talk about your due respect.

Now, I know why you feel like a dude driving that car.

He's like, I don't know, I might sell it. I feel like a douche.

Yeah, well, if it's a straight pipe with added weight, yes, that's you are a dude.

Dude, I'm telling you, it sounds amazing that when you go through the gear.

So it's, it's pick your poison. So I don't know what to do with that.

What a touring interior in it.

I could, I could or I can just go back to the taikon.

I regret telling that taikon and you of all people now are bought into the taikon.

Yeah, I have the same car that you have.

But if I have the conion, that's true.

That's very true.

The conion, I can go out to Long Island to do the jobs out there and not take the taikon.

But for everything else, taikon is electric cars are just better.

Yeah.

And you your job in Long Island was like just like 30 miles too far.

Yeah, it was like 36 miles too far where I had to stop.

And if you're going to stop, you must have stopped for 45 minutes.

Yeah.

I can't, this is too long.

Yeah.

So I can always use that car.

So I'm, I'm really thinking about where to find a taikon.

Yeah.

So if you know where a taikon across Rizmo is.

I literally just like found mine on the internet.

I love to buy mine back.

Oh, I don't know.

You probably find it if you want it.

But you don't want that one.

Because if, if someone knows that you want a specific one, now you're fucked.

Yeah, another good jacket.

No, yeah.

No, you want, and besides someone's been like fucking.

There's been like a safer and hard in the back of that thing.

And it's going to come back and you're going to go, it don't smell right.

No.

And that seat, I don't know if you're, does your seat squeak?

My seat is crazy squeak.

Oh, squeak to a little bit if I get out of it.

If I get out the right way, yeah, yeah.

I took it in for a recall for the seat.

I've taken a mine's going in like in two weeks.

Both of the front window seals have like left little bits of like residue on the bottom of the windows.

And they've had to replace them.

I don't know what that's about.

It looks like almost like the car had tint that was taken off badly.

But it never did.

So they're like, I need to replace it under warranty.

Yours looks great.

As soon as I saw it when I got here yesterday, I was like, oh man, I really want that car.

Because it's for a cedar.

It's great.

It's cool.

It's fun.

I'll sell it to you for 72.

Yeah.

That's exactly what I got for my car when I sold it.

I got mine cheap, but what it cost to me was color choice.

Because I really, I decided to get it at, I don't know, the very end of the year.

It was pretty, it was, and I only had a couple of days to find it.

So white wouldn't have been your first choice.

No.

It's not bad.

But I don't buy white.

I buy colors.

I like colors.

And so I had a lead on a blue.

And before I could like get back to them, somebody bought it.

And then I found a nice chalk, which I don't love chalk, but it was a color.

Right.

And before I, someone bought that one too.

And so this one, I was like, the next one I find.

Like if it, if it me, I don't give a shit what color it is.

If it satisfies the rest of it.

And then it just in between, I knew about my car the day before, but I didn't want it because it was white.

And in between that day and the next day, which was December 30th, they hacked 4K off the price to move it for the end of the year.

So it got even cheaper.

It was 61, 64, 8.

And I called the dealer and the salesman, shout out to Lance was a fan.

And I was like, sold.

Well, I first, I then tried to fucking, I then tried to fucking negotiate further.

And he goes, Matt, I know why you called, they're in Detroit.

He goes, I know why you called.

This is the cheapest one listed on the internet right now.

I'm not going to make any cheaper.

Find the cheaper one.

And I go, all right, fine.

So fair point.

And I sent the wire and got on the plane.

Like eight hours.

So you think the price of those are going up now?

I think the, I think to get the same car I got would cost you a little more money right now because of tariffs.

Making the new, the new one more expensive.

Yeah.

I looked on a while on the plane out here.

There's only three up there right now.

Yeah.

There was only an eBay.

There was only like, no, I was looking at like auto tempest stuff like that.

Sights that dealers were using, not eBay.

I wanted to buy CPO from a dealer.

So I found, I literally was like national search, you know, keywords, certified pre-owned, price lowest to highest.

And it's worth taking a look.

I think I'll get back into the, when you go out with your family kind of thing, I'm not taking this off road, you know.

That's cool.

But like, yeah, for driving on the road, you want a road car as it turns out.

Yeah.

That's like with some people with the fucking manks who are like, manks, you're taking off road.

It's supposed to be for off road.

Like, I've now owned like four off road cars.

And I've collectively taken all of them off road four or five times.

Right.

Between all of them.

Right.

And you live out here.

You mentioned doing that in Connecticut.

Yeah.

Like off road is just winter.

That's off road.

And I get that.

Yeah.

But yeah, no, my car is an on road car.

So, um, all right.

Well, I, if you had, I assume you'll have the GTI for like a little while.

Yeah.

I'll have it for a little while.

I was going to the low show.

I'm getting it.

The most show.

It's called a low show.

It's like a huge show in Pennsylvania.

Uh-huh.

Potts, potstam, potstail.

That's a place potstam.

Potstam.

Yeah.

So the FCP year I was taking it out there.

And then I'm going to go in my GT3 for one day.

It's a four day event.

I'm going to go four four days, but I'll go out there on the last day.

But what, what I did learn and what I think was valuable with the GTI.

Whether I keep it or not for 20 years or whatever is working with the VW crowd.

It's a completely different crowd.

They're like super, super nerdy and excited.

They are hard fucking.

Yeah.

And they're, and they're generous and count.

And it was cool to get into that community.

And that car is like shoehorning me into that community.

So I was, I was pretty stoked about that.

Yeah.

Cool guys.

That's cool.

Yeah.

No, I mean, our friend Brian Scatto is super into Volkswagen's.

They are like, they kind of have a little bit of a sense of humor.

Yeah.

I think what I was talking to you before about like feeling a little weird about driving the GT3.

I think it's the most amazing thing in the world.

I do feel a little guilty driving it.

I think what I was, the point I was trying to make is when I drive the Model T.

It's just like, it's so inexpensive.

The Model T is the best.

It's the best.

Yeah.

It's probably pretty deep.

No, I wasn't that deep.

I thought it was somewhere.

Keep going.

So when I drive the Model T, there it is.

That's coming out in Petrolicious.

That's a Petrolicious shoot in the next couple of weeks.

It's just, I laugh the entire time.

Every single person I go by gives away a thumbs up or like, that's the coolest thing in the world.

So that's always nice and wonderful.

As opposed to like, you know, when you're driving a GT3, you get like, oh yeah, that's cool.

That's great.

But I sometimes I feel awkward driving it.

Well, look, because a car that requires some level of personal sacrifice.

Right.

It's got no roof.

It's slow.

You have to know how to drive it.

You have to know what to do.

It's really difficult.

You know, a supercar, whether it's a Porsche or any other supercar.

It's just like a check in a key.

It's just money.

Yeah.

Like this one here, like, you can be the world's greatest driver.

But if you don't know what you're doing in Model T, you're going to die.

Yeah.

And so there's something to that.

So the point I'm trying to make is, you know, I guess the bumper sticker was saying would be like, you know, smiles per hour or whatever.

I just think for a couple thousand bucks that I spent and the fact that I kept it from getting crushed and it's a piece of history and it's original as mostly, you know, whatever.

You know, most of it's original.

It's just a cool piece that I can go and show people and go and parades and whatever.

And then sometimes when I look at like the value of the GT3, which is amazing.

And I think it's the most amazing.

It's a ridiculous car.

It's so fun.

I just don't know if that ratio, that indefinable ratio of smiles per hour, is equivalent to the ratio of this car.

Or the GTI or...

Sure.

Well, because, I mean, look.

Like, if you spend a million dollars on a car, is that really going to make you that smile in that hat?

No.

Like, versus like, okay.

Certainly not if you're driving on the fucking road.

That's what I'm saying.

The road has been the same since...

They actually made the road for that one.

That's why that's so cool.

The roads didn't exist for that car.

Those are Model T's, the move is the tri one off road.

Model T's are amazing.

You know the suspension distance in that is absurd.

John, our friend John Bothwell drove one with us a thousand miles.

When we did all cars go to heaven too.

I was in a Previa and Tom and Zach were in a Hyundai accent.

And our friend John was in a fucking 1921 Model T.

And we all collectively did a thousand miles off road in those cars.

So Model T was amazing off road.

It's super comfy.

And so I have new heads coming in.

I got to get the headlights...

Like if you drive that in dark.

I mean, I literally take my iPhone out.

It's terrible.

And a couple little things.

I'm upgrading the brakes.

Just like safety things.

Because I bring the kids in it.

But...

Yeah.

The drum brakes.

You need drum brakes.

And new head gets you 11 horsepower.

Which doubles the horsepower.

Yeah.

Because when you have like four or five people in there.

You go up a hill.

You're legitimately like struggling.

You're struggling.

So...

The point that I was trying to...

To speed transfer case.

Three speed transfer case.

I think I'm just gonna leave it the way it is.

I think it's...

I think she's fine.

You know what?

I drove a Model T that had a gas pedal mod.

Really?

Period.

Yeah.

So I drove for my friend John after that road trip.

And when he did the Model T.

He really learned a lot.

He's a Model T like enthusiast.

And he has like five or six of them.

And he built...

He bought a Model T Speedster race car.

Right.

Which had the gas pedal mod.

And drove much more like a regular car.

Did they have to cut a hole in the floorboard?

Well,

this had a completely different body.

Like, let me see if I can actually find it.

So you can put a gas pedal in this car.

If you retrofit it?

There is a mod for gas pedal in that car.

Yes.

And does it just go over where the clutch would be?

Because there's three pedals down there.

But most people...

Yeah.

It's a clutch, a reverse, and a brake.

There's no gas pedal there.

Yeah, wait.

Hang on.

So the Speedster...

Oh, you gotta be kidding me.

I have to log in for this fucking thing.

No, you can see it.

It's like blurry.

But you see this is like a Speedster body.

Yeah.

You could turn using period parts.

You could turn a Model T into like a race car that looked like a

Mercer race about and shit and had like pedals.

Now, I don't know if you could put the pedals on your body.

Or if you'd have to do a thing.

But I did drive this one that had...

It was technically a Model T, but had like more regular pedals.

Like the high low pedal was still the high low pedal.

The middle pedal was drum brakes and the right pedal was gas.

Really?

Yeah.

And mine is completely opposite.

The left side is if you push the clutch in first, that'll have you moving.

Yeah.

If you go to second gear, you have to lift off the clutch like a normal car would be.

Yeah.

And the car goes on its own.

And you're just struggling.

You're just struggling.

And like...

It's like cruise control pretty much.

Correct.

Yeah.

And if you want to come back down, when you want to break, you pull the lever from first,

from second and push it into first.

Yeah.

Then you put your foot on the clutch to modulate how fast you're going left to right.

And then in between, halfway between low and high is true neutral.

Correct.

Yeah.

So yours is just normal Model T.

Normal Model T.

And John's other Model T that he has is the Super T, which has every period available off-roading

mod that you could get from catalogs.

Wait, you could see Penny or whatever it was.

Yeah.

You could order these huge catalogs.

What did you see Whitney?

Yeah, of like parts for the Model T. So he has like different head, like a water pump,

a different like steel wheels, better brakes, two speed transfer cases.

They still have all that stuff.

And that sheet is a beast off-road.

It's fabulous.

And you know it cost nothing.

Yeah.

Like to do the carburetor, there was one part that was $7.65.

That was like the whole thing that made it run.

He's like, oh, it's going to be like $7.65, my $7.65.

All right.

I find he's like $7.65.

That's tomorrow.

It's like mailed in it.

So we're going to do that just to make it safe.

But again, the overall point I was trying to make is I really like focusing on trying to find that sweet spot car

that hits both the value and makes you smile.

And that kind of reset everything.

So let's take an example, like a vantage.

I think a vantage right now is like an undervalued fun car.

I can't speak 100% you could more about like the service and the maintenance of it.

But you can get them.

You get in the game with a vantage.

40,000, 50,000.

It puts a nice one.

It gets some nice rims on it.

Maybe a lower, a little bit.

You know, you can do your little touches and feel like it's yours.

And like you're in the game with like an amazing car.

Sure.

You know what I mean?

And I appreciate that.

I feel like I'm starting to appreciate that more with my lifestyle and my family and the whole thing.

Versus just like, here's a check.

And this is the most ridiculous car in the world.

That part I'm trying to like, you know, I'm mentally going through as like a dad and like a car guy or whatever.

I'm lucky that I get press cars because it scratches that edge.

It scratches that edge.

And I have no desire to get into the new super car game at all.

I can understand this because I felt like that was like the dream car.

Like I'm big on vision boards and whatever.

And actually I'm a vision board, by the way, was velocity on the discovery channel.

That's how old that vision board was.

And right next to it was a GT3.

So I got to check both of those off this year.

So that's a big accomplishment.

So I'm super stoked.

And I want to be like, who's like not happy about the GT3.

The car is phenomenal.

It's just like now I'm going like, okay, what's the, what's the best use of it?

Because I'm thinking if I sell that car, I can take that money and put it towards youth baseball.

And like all these other things that I never thought would be like more meaningful to me than walking in my garage.

It was very meaningful to me.

And looking at the car and being like, whoa, like I do like a thousand details for that car.

Sure.

So that's what I'm.

I mean, look the figure out the achievement is more important than the driving experience.

Correct.

You're not going to track days with it.

I am not.

And then there's such as ironic because you used to go to track days all the time.

I used to do 15 track days events.

And that was a three day event.

15 times three per year.

But again, that was before a baby bottle bottle.

And so whatever.

And then maybe maybe you do that when you get older when they're in college and so on and so forth.

But that's something I'm definitely, definitely thinking about.

Plus, the other added thing is the GT3.

You can't, I mean, it's, it's fun to drive around slow.

But that car just wants to be like ripped.

It's not that GT3s aren't that fun to drive slow.

I was, I don't like to move all the time.

And I have carbon bucket seats and a giant.

That's not fun.

I made pillows for the back of it.

So the point I'm making is like you really got to be, you have to have a lot of self control because you,

I mean, you should probably get a carerity with comfort seats and a back seat and pocket the difference.

Seriously, get, get a fucking carerity allocation.

That's a road car with a back seat.

Yeah.

And it's half the fucking price.

You could, you know, your dealer would fucking kill to get your GT3 back on straight.

It's so nice for a carerity.

It's so clean.

It's so beautiful.

And I just drove this one that was the 700 horsepower, like three parts and it makes 700 horsepower.

But the rest of the time it drives totally normally.

That might be a way back seat.

Right now I'm thinking, I'm thinking Tycon right now.

I totally, I blew it on that one button.

Yeah, you should have kept that one.

You didn't know what you had.

I thought for sure like the whole market was going to tank.

And this guy, my buddy Dominick, who has all those crazy cars, you know, Ferrari's and stuff, he's in every episode.

Anyways, he told me this thing I never heard before.

He's like, do you want to catch a falling knife up here?

I do want to catch a falling knife down here.

And I was like, ah, never.

And he's, he's saying with the prices of the type, this was before when I sold it year and a half ago or whatever it was.

And I was like, I guess I'll just catch it up here.

Meaning I'm going to get, I'm going to get bloody either way.

This one's going to go through my hand.

And so I took the hit.

I got it for 111 and I sold it for 74.

I was like, whoa, that's the first time I ever lost on a car.

Okay, so that's what, 36,000, right?

Yeah.

74 to 111?

Yeah.

Okay, so for me to lose that much, I would have to sell for, you win if I can't get 28 grand.

I'm not going to play that game.

Like I'll lose immediately.

Who's not going to play that?

I don't know.

But I still believe the floor of an EV is zero.

The eventual floor.

How about this?

I'll give you 28,000 right now for your car, right?

With the wheels.

The eventual floor.

But if you go on, you know, cars and bids, whatever, you know,

2012 Tesla Model S isn't shit are still like 20 grand.

So if the car works, you know, then you could still probably get 20 grand for it.

Yeah.

But I'm not going to keep the car past my warranty.

So I don't give a shit.

How long is that?

Four years.

You're going to really get rid of it after the warranty.

I won't, I almost certainly won't keep it that long.

I'll, I'll get tie, I'll get bored of it probably.

And that's CEO warranty.

Yeah.

I'll get, I'll probably get bored of it by a year three.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

I just will.

It's the, yeah, I know me.

There's no fucking way.

I'm going four years on one daily driver.

This is really just anitis that every car guy has.

It's like, as soon as you get it, like the excitement of building the GTI and the whatever.

And it's really exciting.

And I'll keep it for a while.

Is it a, is it a 964?

Nothing is the 964.

The 964 will stay there.

Like I just, that's, that's more meaningful.

Like I'm sleeping in the back of a car and I built this one.

So it's like, you know what?

I'm going to keep this car.

But everything else, when it comes to, you know, family and kids of it, like I'll get rid of it.

But the 964, I bought for a 19 grand.

That's, that's crazy.

Yeah.

So I remember you, the, the red one, Conner's brother's car that after college.

Oh my god.

I can't believe you remember that.

You know, I got to drive that to the, what's the place in Ryan?

The, the ice cream store?

Longfurt.

So I got to drive it to Longfurt.

The hottest girls always worked at Longfurt's ice cream.

That was where it was.

I parked the car there.

That's because all the guys will go see the girls.

Yeah.

And Conner's brother's like, listen, I'll give it to you for the summer.

You clean it, do the blah, blah, blah.

And then go drive it to Longfurt's, park it out in front.

And I was like totally faking about, yeah, check out this car.

Yeah.

It's for sale.

I had a big four sale sign on it.

That's what got me crazy about 964's.

But that was a nice car.

So cars read five speed.

I'm pretty sure it was a targa.

Was it a targa?

No, I think it was a sunroof coupe.

Was it?

I think it was a sunroof coupe.

But I remember it was like 40,000 miles.

Yeah.

And you were trying to get like 26 grams for it.

It's crazy.

It's like 0506.

Yeah.

And maybe it was earlier, 04 maybe.

But you like, you couldn't get it.

Like it was like, you couldn't, it was clean.

I think it wasn't around then, man.

Yeah.

Well, the car was only like 10 years old.

Yeah.

It was like a 94.

I remember it to me like, wow, this is the greatest car ever.

It was nice.

Yeah.

It was nice.

Yeah.

Park that shit in front of longfords.

I can't believe you.

Shout out to Kelly, wherever you are.

I can't believe you brought that up.

I totally forgot about that.

Yeah, that red car.

Yeah.

I wonder what Connor is doing right now.

I don't know.

Shout out to him.

Yeah.

His dad was on the, was the today's show host, wasn't he?

What?

His dad, Connor Hartman's dad, was like a host, like Matt Lauer in like the 70s.

Oh, okay.

Cool.

Yeah.

I know.

I mean, so, oh, so we actually did go to school with some people who had good parents.

It wasn't only the people who wrecked the economy in 2008.

No, no, no, no, no.

And who are like spread pop propaganda.

He was way retired by that.

Let's see.

We've got, uh, oxy cotton.

We've got crashing the economy.

And we've got pro-fascism propaganda.

Cool.

Right country day.

Right country day school.

Let's fuck it up.

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Uh, okay.

Jake Shores says, what is up with Rinsless Wash?

I have friends saying I should try it, but I don't trust not having proper lubrication

on the paint.

What is your take, Larry?

Okay.

So in the shortest time possible, so Rinsless Wash is a substitute.

Um, is it, I should say it another way is, uh, is a not qualified substitute for washing

your car properly.

It is the alternative when you don't have water.

So it's, you know, in the absence of water, Rinsless Wash, I created a thing called frothy,

which has a lot more lubrication than a Rinsless Wash, but it's the same concept.

It's in the same genre.

So the point I'm trying to make is when you wash your car properly or need to wash your

car properly, you got to do that with soap and water and lubrication to carry the things

away.

When you have a Rinsless situation, frothy, Rinsless, whatever, you're, you're using that

and multiple towels to act as the thing that removes the, the tiny rocks, I.e. dirt

from your car, from your surface of your paint.

And so the act of two of them, this one has water flushing it away, which is like a wonderful

lubricant.

And this one has lubrication installed in not that much liquid.

And you're using the wiping motion.

So out of the two of them, the proper wash is going to have, is going to be safer for

your paint.

Having said that, because in reality, most people don't have access to water, but you get

what I'm saying, you live in California, you live in the, wherever, that's the, that's

the second best alternative to washing your car.

So yes, Rinsless is good, but there is a point of no return where the car is so dirty like

J's car that we just saw.

Like you wouldn't want a Rinsless wash that day.

He said Larry's on J Ryan's car.

He's like, what the fuck is it?

I was like, what is it?

He said he's going to drive across the country and shoot a video and clean the car.

I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't stand next to this car.

You have to make sure when you clean it, you power washes off the, there's a stonthier

spot on the entire stair on the right and they get like gravel blasted.

So you have to make sure to reapply those when you, when you wash J Ryan's car.

So yeah, they're good, just use them in certain situations.

Okay, bi-mobile says just bought an old Mazda RXA with 30,000 miles, but the roof rails

are a little rusty and the front bumper is faded in the sun apart from replacing parts

or repainting.

What can I do to prolong the life of these parts?

Rusting is not a lot of options there.

Rusting is sort of like holding the hand while they, while they die, like you either got

to fix it or just hold the hand as a, you're going to delay the inevitable kind of thing.

So you can polish, especially on red ones, you're going to polish that from bumper out,

but you'll come out pretty nice, bumpers are a little bit more fickle than let's say paint

because they don't transfer heat as well.

If you heat up the side of something that's metal, you're going to feel it on the other

side.

If you hit the something that's plastic, you're not going to feel it, so the transfer

doesn't happen.

So when you put heat on it, meaning rotation and you're fixing things, it has a chance

to heat up faster and then basically the paint literally goes, just disintegrate.

It burns.

So the point is you have to be a little bit more careful on plastic.

In terms of the roof rails, you got to just throw some touch up in there because you

have to do that properly.

That's like, that's no funer.

Rust is not an easy, you just fix.

Sand it down a quick touch.

Rust or you don't fix.

That's my point.

Yeah, it's on time.

I am Dr. Remuelak.

Give me a go-no-go on PPF.

I've heard, they've heard different opinions from different detailers.

Depends on the car.

I'm a huge advocate.

I like it.

I say if you have fragile paint that's going to fuck it up somehow by putting it on.

Like my kuntosh.

Well, you could even do that.

You just have to do it right.

But yeah, that kuntosh, I would tell you now.

I wouldn't put it on that.

I wouldn't tell me now.

Yeah.

That's probably the very rare, very rarely do I say not to put a PPF on that would be

the one.

Original paint on an Italian car from the 80s.

Yeah.

You're going to peel that right off when you take it off.

So I would say PPF, very pro, and I'll give you this anecdote.

If we could figure out how to put PPF on, that didn't cost so much and takes so much time

in the labor, in the weeks, in the drying, and the issues, it would put detailers out

of business.

Real detailers and real polish and paint experts.

I'm being a little bit broad there, but I'm making, I'm making the point that it's so

good.

You PPF a car you don't then ever need a detailer again.

I wouldn't go that far.

I'm just saying you don't, you don't experience the same amount of degradation to the paint.

Obviously, that you would without it, which would require someone with the skills to polish

that out, to then polish that out.

So you kind of, you really take a big bite out of the detailing market.

But right now it's too expensive and it takes too long to put on.

If you could have a sprayable version, I don't know.

Remember that 3M version?

Yeah.

They made a 3M sprayable.

It was awful.

Yeah.

It was so awful.

Like, A for effort, but not worth it.

The concept was there.

Yeah.

And so now, what I think is going to happen is I think manufacturers, OEMs, are going to figure

out how to do that.

From factory.

Right now they're putting coatings and things in there and making it much thinner and

much harder than paints in the past.

And the reason why is it doesn't have to stay in the paint booth, doesn't have to

stay in the heat booth as long.

Because the heat booth is where they spend a ton of money.

So if they can cut down 10 minutes, two days, whatever, they can save millions of

dollars a year by having that car go through.

Now most people think when you go to a body shop, hey, I can heat it up the same thing.

When you go to a body shop, and the curing time, you need 90 days to cure, the reason is

there's electronics in the car when you go to a body shop.

So you can't heat it up to 5,000.

I'm making that number up.

You know, it's a 300 degrees or whatever, everything's going to melt.

But when it's in the factory, you see it dip into the right, the back, and it comes back

out.

And there's no, you can heat it up like crazy, so that's what makes it so that you

can make the paint even thinner.

So they save money on the paint, and they save money on it being harder.

So that's where it's going now.

So I was like, oh, if they're going to do that, imagine they can make this up in

the money engineer, but like spray on whatever PPF there, and like heat it, and it gets

like uniform and shiny.

Now it's around the edges, like you don't need to sit there and like.

Almost like undercoating on the chassis would be, but clear.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's like, well, Larry, that's clear code.

I'm like, yes, I'm getting it.

I get what you're saying, but like imagine like a clear thing that you could then

peel off.

Yeah, you've very, how very like tech bro of you, you've circled back around to inventing

clear code.

Yeah, let me, let me say this by being able to peel it off and then restart again, that

would be dope.

If you get like a tear offs first kind of, yeah, like that kind of kind of, I haven't

quite thought at all.

If you buy a very high end car, it might come from the factory as an option to put a to

keep you.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

But yeah.

Travis Pastrana's, Travis Pastrana's primary care provider says, I live in Arizona and

I'm very concerned about damage to my clear coat from the sun.

I have a final lab ceramic coating that's supposed to last four years.

When I asked if I can or should put additional waxes or sprays to help with UV protection

I was advised by them not to put any product over the coating.

You agree?

If not, what should I do?

All right.

So here's what's happening.

Also, great products, great company, everything's cool.

This has nothing to do with them.

I'm just saying in general, the school of thought is if you have some type of coating on your

car and it has a characteristic that you enjoy, that you like the beating or the sheeding

or whatever it is that you want, if you then put something on top of it, logically speaking,

it's not going to have the same characteristics of the thing that you had underneath it.

So that's kind of the logic as to why.

The second logic is we want you to put our stuff on top of it or clean it with our stuff,

which again, that's just like any other company soaps and things that you want to use the

same shaver and the same whatever.

It's just to keep you in there in their brand.

And their ecosystem totally makes sense.

I, on the other hand, think, hey, the more protection you have built up, yes, you're going

to minimize the underlying characteristics of like the super beating or whatever it is

that you like.

But if you're putting something on top of it like wax, I think of it as a sacrificial

layer that I know is going to get worn away.

And I know that it has this, for me, even my coating, I love the coating.

I think it looks amazing, but if I'm going to a show and I'm looking for that extra

like two or three percent, I'm putting carnube wax on top of my car.

It's a throwaway.

So I think of it like a suit, a tuxedo.

You put the tuxedo on because you're going out, right?

And it looks fantastic.

That's the coating.

It's the James Bond.

You're fantastic.

But if you want to add the boot near it with the flower, you put that in there.

That's the wax.

But you know that that dies at the end of the night.

Sure.

Yeah.

So good.

That kind of mentality, that's what I lean towards if that makes sense.

But it doesn't add that much extra protection from the sun.

No.

It will.

It just won't last that long.

It just won't last.

And it's like, it's kind of a throwaway.

Got it.

Okay.

Juice control, the weather tech, which is a very funny name.

We encourage horrible names.

No.

Yes.

But also contractions, like weather tech, like formats.

Got it.

Is the guy who owns that, is he Jewish?

We don't think so, but we also don't think that Jews control the weather.

We just think that those words go together in a funny way.

Got it.

Okay.

I don't clever offensive nature.

I literally don't want to Google is David McNeil Jewish because I don't like what will

happen to my surgeon after that, you know, I like, I might, it might be like, yes.

And also I know what to do about that says Grock.

You know what I mean?

I was supposed to have a meeting with him at SEMA with Grock.

No, I don't even know what that is, but that's, that's Elon Musk's very racist AI bot

from Twitter.

Oh, I don't know how that is.

Yeah, yeah.

The guy that owns McNeil.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I was walking to the meeting.

One of things one might say, like some group of people that I know, I was walking to the

meeting and then got a buzz and said, like, he is busy now, I can, he will no longer see

you.

Okay, I am Jack's insatiable need for one more car says of all the disaster details you've

brought back.

What was the most satisfying and or what story meant the most?

And that is a difficult one.

I think the one on the show was pretty good.

I'm not just giving a shameless plug because that woman, I found, I kept driving.

There's a baseball field in New Canaan and every, we have to take this road every single

day for, ever and ever and ever.

And there's always this discovery to sitting there and it was literally buried in the ground.

I pulled in, knocked on the door.

I could see that there was a younger woman taking care of an older lady in the back.

And I explained the situation as a, hey, I want to do this on a show and it up and she wanted

nothing to do with it.

And so I gave her my card and then her sister called me, you know, a couple weeks later

or whatever and explained the situation that, you know, she was taking care of this car.

This was her dream car.

So I did it all, fixed it up, came a factor and the woman started like bawling and crying.

And then we've done, we've done dozens of those.

We did the one with the 96 year old man.

Did you see that one with the, with the charger?

Yeah.

He was such a gentleman.

It's like a different, I talk about it in the episode.

It's like a different generation where after we move the car out and it's been sitting

there for 26 years or whatever it was.

We moved the car out and we're trying to get this thing running and he was selling it to

some other guy.

The dude started sweeping like the very little bit of dust that was in there because he's

like, oh no, we got to like clean it up because I, I was like, you rented this thing for

20 years or whatever.

Like he doesn't really own anybody anything and went through the war or whatever, but it's

just like a different generation.

So to be able to do that and then finish it and then put them in the car and go for

a drive.

Like even if you're like Mr. Cool and you're like, you're so awesome on YouTube, like even

a moment, like you kind of look off camera and like, I'm okay, like everything's fine.

You know what I mean?

Because it's kind of to see him look at it.

So I've done a dozen of those, but I'd say those two cars are, those are pretty special

for those, those folks.

Mr. Hogan's thermos says, I remember years ago on the podcast Larry was skeptical about

ceramic coating because it hadn't been around long enough.

Right.

Well, now it's been long.

Do you still feel that way?

No, I, I want to be very clear.

And it wasn't that when it comes to ceramic coating, the issue that I have then and still

to this day have, but I think it's come more in line was the claims that were made were

so outrageous that I thought and still think if we make outrageous claims that is going

to hurt the industry overall because people will think that if I put this magic juice

on my car, I don't have to do anything.

And the analogy I've done at nauseam is if you go to the gym once a year and work out

like crazy, you're going to be healthy.

And that's not true.

That just, we all know that or eat one healthy meal.

You have to have a regimen.

You have to have a way of doing things.

Does the coating help?

No question.

Absolutely.

But the way it was sold in the beginning when he's mentioning that was it was like, you

put it on your car.

You never do anything else.

And I was like, guys, that just doesn't make any sense.

And when that ultimately fails because what happens is what you can put the best coating

on it.

You can put reflux pro, you can put whatever, whatever you think is great on there.

If you get it dirty, meaning you just sit outside and go underneath the, you know, where

the planes go or whatever, like, and all this contamination goes on it.

As I mentioned before, the wax and can you put stuff on top of the coating?

If you have something on top of the coating that's dirt, dust or whatever, because it just

doesn't just fly out, like coatings don't make dust and dirt not exist.

And when it goes on top of the car, it will change the characteristics to whatever it is

on top of it.

And if it's dust, it's not going to be because the beating is not going to happen because

the dust is there.

And they go, it's not on there.

This is garbage.

It's because it's the top layer once you spray that off and you clean it, you're good

to go.

But in the beginning, when you tell people, and they don't have that learning curve, and

then they look at it in its garbage, it's like, we're going to be looked at as a snake

oil salesman.

It's going to hurt the industry as a whole.

So back then, I was very cautious and the reason why is because you remember with the

guy Dan, I was working, blah, blah, blah, I was doing all these cars, like hundreds

of cars a month putting on the coatings.

And I saw the behind the scenes before coatings were ever coating.

So I'm like, man, when this hits the market, if they try to oversell this, this thing's

going to be a billion dollar industry, but we got to be super careful about how we pitch

it.

It's like, you know, like a weight loss drug or whatever, you know, you got to be real

clear about that.

So I was a little touchy because everybody came out like, my thing will last 10 years.

I mean, how could it possibly last 10 years?

Doesn't it make any sense?

I don't even know that.

Well, here's another thing.

If you have it last 10 year, a 10 year coating, PPF doesn't last for like the only warranty

for, you know, five years or seven years, whatever, whatever one you get.

You're going to outlast something that's this thing that I can really made of rubber.

I can chew on it.

And yours is like, it doesn't, it's just not logical.

So I was like, just be careful.

So no, I'm not down on coatings, be smart about it.

Gray Hatchback says, I have an old Civic with very chalky paint.

Can it be saved?

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

The chalky paint is just the oxidation.

So at some point, the paint, the clear coat or the single stage is fighting the sun.

And eventually it just gets overwhelmed and the oxidation occurs and it dries out.

The best part about chalky paint, like especially a red one, like an old S10 or something

when I see chalky paint, I'm like, oh, because it's acting as a jacket.

So whatever is underneath it is like pristine.

And your job is just to razor blade metaphorically, razor blade that top surface off without

going too deep and you literally literally get yourself a brand new car.

It's almost like protection on top of it.

Lucky you with the chuck.

Yes.

You just got to do it.

Christian Glazedham says, although I like the effectiveness of rain ex, are there other

perhaps better products of the same type?

So that's a loaded question.

But if he means like a spray on or like a white bond, it's just the thing that makes water

drop.

Right.

Let's assume he's talking about the one that you scored out of the little bottle, not

the actual spray.

You know, what's interesting is pound for pound, like we were mentioning before with the

Model T versus GT3 or whatever, pound for pound, rain ex is hard to beat.

The downside to some people is it'll sometimes make your windshield wipers chatter.

But pound for pound, it's pretty good because it doesn't cost anything.

But there are coatings that go on that are really, really good.

I just take a little bit more time to put on, but those sometimes cause chatter as well.

Like if you were just in a pinch, the chatter, I haven't used rain ex for a long time.

Yeah.

It doesn't fucking rain here.

So why my bother?

But now I remember the chatter.

Yeah.

And it usually has to do with more with coatings, but I mean, you can't, you kind of can't

compete with it.

It's good.

I would say rain ex is totally fine.

If you want a longer term protection, but the longer term protection, it's like, dude,

wash your, wash your car and do it like, it takes like 10 minutes to do.

So, uh, Hofmeister Nippel Clamps says, uh, 996 convertible top.

I want to protect it, Scotch guard, something else.

What should I do?

It's in good condition now, but I want to keep it that way.

Yes.

There's a thousand options for that, you know, three or three aerospace.

There's a, when they use the word Scotch guard, it's like saying Teflon.

It's just, it's the name.

So yes, anything that is a hydrophobic is going to work perfectly fine.

As long as it's clean, it's right on there and read the directions.

Each one is a little bit different as to how long you let it sit.

Do you scrub it in?

Do you not scrub it in?

Can you not get it wet and so on and so forth?

But it's, it's not as complicated.

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