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Hello everybody and at a little after eight o'clock, pretty summer time, just after three
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o'clock, eastern daylight servings time in the US. This is Midweek Motorsport. I'm
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John Hendoff, series 21, episode number 13 and I'm sure that's a wee bit
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different tonight. No, Tim Gray, he is on another assignment. It's Hugh who is up in
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London making sure that we go to the world. It's also sure that has some of the
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usual features, but not all of them. Nick Damon in the show tonight was
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certainly not in the first part of the show. We might try and get him on in
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hour two. So we are packed with guests this evening. Guests that span the
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gamut of motorsports, actually quite a bit of sports cars to be honest. We've
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tapped up John De Geest to come and talk to us for another double stint new
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segment here on Midweek Motorsport and it's an incredibly busy few weeks of
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sports cars. So we'll have him on. We have got Peter McKay and a rally report
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that'll come up in the second hour of tonight's program. More of a rally
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preview with the European Rally Championship about to get underway in
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the next few days. And so he'll be looking forward to that. I promised you
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last week that we after having Dan say is on the program would have some
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Logan Sargent will have that as well. He'll be talking about his WEC
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program and the Ford hypercar all to come up tonight. And you of course
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expect your team and let's rattle through some of the parish notices
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because I've got a guest for our top story tonight. So it's going to be a
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very, very quick one here. Hello to Dave Alcock who's joining us. Jake Parrott
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is AFA tonight, but he's going to be staying at Reams on his way to
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Spa for the WEC. That sounds brilliant. N. G. Autoart. Neil is there.
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New puppy in that house. Hello to Jesse Young. Tom Marshalek as well who's
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listening in this evening. Right turn lover, surprisingly in terms of the
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choice of location. Be tuning in from the Western Abort for RTL tonight.
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AFA for Ed Moses enjoying some Easter family time in the sun. You've
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been busy at circuits this week as well. Thanks for your
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marshalling time, Ed. James O'Donnell listening in live with a
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glass of beer after being out in the GT4 today. Oh yes. Very good. What a way.
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What a way. Arnaj Rob back from his jollies. Beautiful evening. I
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suspect I should have been doing this outside by the fire this evening,
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but I've been sitting in the sun quite a lot today and I've almost had
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enough of it. Hello to Caffeine Jones listening from Sonny Birmingham to
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Lindsay and to Jim Mooney racing and to Tom Marshalek. I think we mentioned
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Tom already. The responsible adult is tuned in as always. Also to J. G.
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Hello, Johannes. To Brody who's busying himself around on another project. I
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have somebody who's got a lift, a car lift for sale if you want to
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message me separately. James Brown, Blur Fiends taking an engine out of a Porsche.
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Oh my goodness me. And so on and so forth. Chris Sucu, Alexander Orkin with us this
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evening as well. Elliot Lindemöy, Sean Crockett, Alan Ayers finally tuning in after
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months getting his new restaurant open. Oh, when are we coming for a meal?
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Well, Alan, you tell me where it is and we'll be across. We know your quality.
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Simon Hoffs in tonight. So is Thomas Pitts. And yes, some of my usual features says,
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J. G, I want my money back. Yeah, well, we'll pack in as much as we can.
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And first, a public service announcement. A few people after we had,
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after we had Brian Sheen on a couple of weeks ago about Le Mans and Le Mans classic
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asking us about that again. There is still availability for Le Mans classic. There's
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limited availability with first tickets, which is 1ST-tickets.co.uk. And also somebody asked
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about the Ford hospitality, the VIP hospitality that we were talking about.
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There are still some places there. It's 2900 euros each. That's from
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Thursday onwards, I think, possibly Wednesday. But anyway, all the details,
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Ford Racing, Le Mans.com. Ford Racing, Le Mans.com. I'm saying it like that. Don't
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hassle me for the pronunciation, but it's Ford Racing, L-E-M-A-N-S, all on word.com.
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And that 2900 quid is unlimited everything and a car parking spot inside the circuit.
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I'd expect your team, if you want to get in touch, it's 0-0 in both of the big matches tonight.
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The early kick-offs finished 1-1. I keep an eye on that. But with no team to rustle his papers,
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it's just my turn to say, here's the top story.
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Well, we're going to start this rather different midweek motor sport with
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actually some Nurburgring news. I was going to say some sports car news and it is.
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We've got a lot more Nurburgring news to come as well with John De Geese joining us in this
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first hour for another double stint, as we mentioned. So let's get to the top story.
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And this is a story and a half, really. You know, we've been following Ford
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a little bit recently and we had an update on the hypercar program last week. Well,
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not content with doing that and getting ready for the ELMS and WEC. They only went out and
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set the fastest emerging car lap around the Nordschleife last week. Now, I'm going to
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talk about that with the man who did it. It's Frederick Vervesh who is joining us now on the
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line. First of all, Frederick, congratulations. I have watched the onboard. It's on the Ford
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racing page at the moment. That was incredible. And, well, first of all, we're going to talk
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about the car. The car is the Ford GT Mark IV. It's the track-only supercar that came out
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two or three years ago. Tell me a little bit about this car and about how the whole few days went,
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because I know it won't have just been that one run. How did it all go?
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Hi, John. Yeah, thank you very much for having me on your podcast. It's an honor.
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So that's what I had to do to make it on your podcast, right? To do a record.
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Pretty much, yeah. So that's good to know. Now, all jokes aside, yeah, that was a great run for
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the whole team who was involved. And also for me personally, to be selected to have the honor
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to drive this car around it. Yeah, it was amazing. I think we were lucky as well,
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because I think on the rain you always need to be a bit, you need some luck. You need to respect
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the track, let's say. And I think the conditions were there, even though they were difficult,
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but they were there to make a good lap time. I heard from some of the team that I've been
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speaking to that the day before the weather was awful. The onboard that I've seen,
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it looked pretty good. What time of day did you set that stunning 6 minutes, 15.9 second lap?
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Was that in the morning or in the afternoon? Yeah, it was early afternoon. So basically,
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you're right. Maybe you know when Max Verstappen, I think was practicing
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in the rain. I think he wanted, from what we heard, he wanted rain conditions to be
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prepared for the 24-hour. So yeah, there was bad conditions, I would say. There was no race
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the week before. So normally there would be like an RCN or a bit similar like an LS. So then you
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get some rubber on track. So that was also not the case. And on top of that, there was freezing
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overnight. So we were scared. I mean, we thought we would not be able to do something at least
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not in the morning. But it was drier than we expected and less ice early morning. So again,
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with that, we were lucky. But then the lap time came quite soon, to be honest, because we didn't
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know what the rest of the day would be. And so we did all the official stuff, let's say. And then
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that went for our first run, basically, first run where we did the lap time. So that was good.
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Let's talk about the car a little bit. As I said, this was the ultimate iteration of the Ford GT,
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the Mark IV, specially engineered by Multimatic with some very clever adaptive spool valve
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rear suspension and longer wheelbase than the cars we've seen in the past.
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And 800 horsepower, which seems more than adequate to me.
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Looking at the onboard, the car looks really stable. You were keeping off the curbs in quite a lot of
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the places, I know. But the car looked really stable. And what was impressive to me, Frederick,
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was just how smooth you were making it look. Yes, you could see the car was going quickly
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because the scenery was going past like something out of Warp Speed Star Wars. But your control
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inputs were very smooth. You would sort of come onto the throttle, maybe about half to three
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quarter throttle and then go to full throttle. We were seeing that, we can see that on the onboard.
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The lap itself, did it feel like a quick lap when you were doing it?
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The thing is, let's say how we started the day. So basically, we started with, I think,
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the first lap of the day was just under seven minutes. And at that time, it was so cold. And
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I had no grip. And I would say, okay, guys, this will be nothing. But then we did a couple
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of laps more and later in the morning, temperature just came around five degrees,
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which is just the start of the operating window of the tires. And then things started to be better.
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And then we were making big chunks of lap time. And that's a bit both ways. I mean,
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I, as a driver, start to feel how the grip is coming. But also, I need to, I mean,
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it was our first time with the car on track. We did a lot of simulation. But you never know
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what can happen because you have these high speeds, you have these compressions that you cannot really
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simulate. Touching of the car, unexpected touching. So all these things was a bit up to me,
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let's say, to judge how much I could do. So I think you can always go faster, you know,
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because that's our nature. But you also don't want to crash. And you have a whole team
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there. You have this big car. Yeah, there are a lot of things. And like you say,
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I didn't use all the curves because I also was not sure if they are dry enough. And I was not there
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to take the last 10th of a second. So I needed to have, let's say, a good speed where I thought,
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okay, this is within reason. And then try to make the lap. So does the lap feel fast?
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I think until that point, I think we made really good progress. And that was what I felt was good
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at that time. All of the track is spectacular. However, and bear in mind, I've only done
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some tourist laps and some test days there and never had the place to myself. But the bit that
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always impresses me, and I like to see how cars work, two bits actually, going down
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the foxhole if you can throw it, yeah, because your pick up speed so quickly down there.
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And then that breaking on the uphill into that I don't know, forced and then also
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from the bottom of Begvec and up towards the mood curve and how the cars work there as well.
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And it looked fantastic. I noticed you had a little lift just going through the last of
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the left handers going up towards mood curve. Yeah. And I thought, when I thought, oh, that,
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oh, and then I looked at your speed through there. And I don't know, it was 300 and something.
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Okay, you topped out at about 310, 312 and you were nearly 300 K going up the hill and I'm
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thinking, oh my goodness me, that's incredible. What was the bits that you found that were
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most easy or most difficult, Frédéric? The Döttinger was the most easiest.
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That was like, oh, we're going too slow. We need to go faster because we reached the 310,
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which was a limit by Michelin due to the temperatures and conditions.
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That was the easy part. And then also, you know, okay, I made most of it. Now just bring it
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home. And that's it. I mean, oh, even though you still have tear garden, which is before the repay,
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there was more tricky, but still, yeah, if you know that this was only our third run at that
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moment, you know, so I was also still discovering and we added lap time or we made big steps
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because in the beginning we drove only 290. We were limited to 290 from Michelin.
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So on that run, that was the first time we did over 300. So 310 was the limit, but so there was also
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you have like sound boxes on the track, which is actually something I didn't know. And you always
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had to lift before because you don't want to go over the sound, but then it makes a big,
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big difference on how you approach the corner. So these were things I discovered.
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I didn't know, Frédéric, that there was sound monitoring. So you've got to stay under
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a certain decibel level around the track on days like that. That's news to me.
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Yes, exactly. And that's actually a big challenge for all the brands who go there
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for testing and driving and even record attempts. You have to stay below 138 dB,
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but it's in specific areas. So it's basically, it's around fluk plots, entry, exit, and then
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it's between low-dark curve and bright side. And then on the coming onto the main straight,
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the thing over here. Yeah, it's interesting. And it's, of course, it's the same as like on
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every track. Now you have these sound limits. But anyway, for our car, it was safe, but we didn't
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know until then. So because then, let's say that lap, we said, okay, now we go for it. If we go over the
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sound, then at least we can finish the lap and then they cannot take it away anymore. So that
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was good. The whole idea. Nice. Very good. I like that planning. Now you know the Nürburgring
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Nordschleife. We're going to see you in NLS3 this weekend. And you can follow that along here
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on the Radio Show Limited network of audio and visual channels, sound and vision,
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no blocks. It's all free. And the English audio will be me and a Nürburgring specialist,
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Peter Kate. Actually, he's going to join me this Saturday morning. So Frederick, here's a question
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then. The Ford GT Mark IV, a track day supercar. How does that compare with your GTD or your GT3
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Ford Mustang that you'll be racing for HRT? How much quicker is the GT much quicker than the
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Mustang? Well, that's a very good question. Yes, it is. It is a quicker car. So I think
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Multimatic and Ford, they made this, I would say all time beast, but it's a car you can buy.
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Well, you have to be very fortunate to buy it, Frederick, in fairness. There's only 67,
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67 builds. But as I see your point, it is available. I find it amazing. The thing looks
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incredible. And well, how much are you looking forward now then to NLS3 this weekend and the
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Mustang? Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Nürburgring in general, Nordschleife. It's always
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in the many years we are there for that period of the year. And that's an awesome period. You
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know, they have like these typical restaurants around this typical atmosphere. And then again,
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the challenge between driver car and the track. And I think it's an awesome period. I really
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like it as a driver. So yeah. Does the evolution of the Mustang, will that help at the Nürburgring?
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Obviously, it's one of the places that the car races, but it's the Nürburgring is totally
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different to pretty much anywhere else at races, whether that's in IMSA or in the FIA WEC or
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in any of the GT3 championships around the world. But does that evolution to this year's car,
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is that helping at the Nordschleife and on the Nürburgring as well?
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I think it definitely should help because it's a high speed track and we gained a lot in our
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downforce. But of course, I think we are now, let's say in the window of the other GT3 cars,
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which was, let's say, a weak point of the first, the initial Mustang GT3, but of course,
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really the right BOP to be able to use that. So and that's something we hope to show this year
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because we did evaluate really well and really hope that we can show that potential. So it
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should definitely help the Nordschleife. Well, I heartily congratulate you on your
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regular braking lap. Ford and Multimatic together as they are with the Mustang GT3
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and I'm going to get a chance to drive a dark horse through Europe in the next week or so.
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So I'm looking forward to getting some of that race car inspired technology underneath me as I
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drive down to Imola next week. Fred, brilliant stuff. Thank you very much indeed. I say to
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everyone, go to the Ford Racing website, go and have a look at the onboard and marvel in
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Fredrik Vervesh and the Ford GT Mark IV around the Nordschleife. Congratulations, my friend,
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you're a brave man and if you think there's more to come, then sign me up. I'll be
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standing trackside to see the next one if you think you can shave more off that.
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Well, John, I want to say just one thing for the listeners. If they want to buy one, this is now
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the last run of the Mark IV being built. I think there are 25 left. So like you said,
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you have around 1.7 million I thought without taxes laying there, then you can maybe try to
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get one. Yeah, but don't try and do six minutes, 15, 9.77 around the Nordschleife on a tourist
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firing. I think you might get thrown off at that point. Yeah, probably. And of course,
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available, those 25 available through Fred Vervesh Ford. Yeah, that would be great.
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I need to negotiate my commission then. Not only quick behind the wheel, but quick
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as a salesman as well. Frederick Vervesh, thank you very much indeed and I'll see you in a race
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track very, very soon. All right. Thank you, John. Thank you for having me. Bye-bye. Brilliant
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stuff from Frederick Vervesh in the whole Ford team. Are you listening to Midweek Mortar
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Sports Series 21 Episode 13? And we're going to stay with sports car news right now. It's
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a very busy couple of weeks of sports car racing coming up. So a perfect time. We thought to
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have one of our regular, not every week, but sort of infrequent, but regular, if that makes
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any sense, double stint catch-ups with John DeGase. Now, here's the point. We've got NLS,
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we've got ReCards, and we've got ELMS this weekend. Mr. DeGase, which one will you
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be gracing with your presence? Well, I'll actually be going to Barcelona for the ELMS
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season opener. Haven't been to a standalone ELMS race in quite some time, and it's a record 47 car
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grid. There's a lot of compelling storylines there with some new drivers, some teams as the,
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in case of the Proton number nine car, you know, sort of using some Ford staff in preparation
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for their WEC program. So anyway, I decided to go there. And then next week, I'm going
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straight to the prologue because all of a sudden that got rescheduled directly after,
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after the unfortunate consequences in the Middle East. So, and then I go directly to
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Long Beach after that, because I can't make, I can't make the the actual six hours of
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them a little because of my commitments in Long Beach for IMSA. But it makes it for an
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interesting next 10 days for sure. Wow. Logging up the air miles early in the,
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in the qualification year as well. Right, let's, let's do some of those stories then. And stories,
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a couple of stories about drivers who we might not have expected to see perhaps
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what will come to Ricard in a moment, but unsurprisingly, I think the N24 qualifiers
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talking about being graced by presences, Max Verstappen will be back now that he's got a
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weekend free. And this is entirely sensible. It'll just be him and is it Jill's going on? Who's going
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to be? Actually, it's Lucas Hour because Jules will be in Imola for helping. So they didn't
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actually have anybody else. I think Luke Lucas Hour is the fourth driver in the car for the
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N24. Correct. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So that'll be his first time driving with Max.
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Obviously it was Jules and Danny Junkadea that did the NLS2 event that they provisionally had one
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then got thrown out because of the tire discrepancy. But certainly a pair of four hour races,
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Saturday, Sunday in two weeks time. Yeah. We have NLS3 this weekend still and he's and Max
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is not taking part in that based on what we understand is due to. Sorry, go on.
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We don't believe Max. Max is not taking part this weekend because I believe Winward is busy
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otherwise in GT World Challenge Europe at Paul Ricard. Yes. And I understand. I understand
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that. I think it's entirely sensible that he comes now that he's got that weekend and gets another
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four hours of driving probably between those two races. Crucially in two weeks time,
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the Saturday race starts later in the day. And if not going into the dark, it will give him the
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chance to see the the Nürburgring Nordschleife in dusk conditions at the very least. And then on
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the Sunday, it's a practice run really of top qualifying, which he'll have in in the the
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ADSE N24, which is slightly different this year of how they're going to knock people out.
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But basically, it's still as close to single car qualifying you can get. So that's that's good
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practice for what has to be said. He's still one of the favorite entries for the for the N24,
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John, when you look at that driver lineup. Yeah, no doubt. I think we said last time on the
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the last double stint segment that they're definitely one of the favorites. Just looking at
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the different manufacturers of different lineups, you know, BMWs certainly
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in a stronger position than they were last year, but they won the race last year with one car only.
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So it only takes one good lineup and a trouble free run to get the job done. And that's
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that will be the be the target for the Verstappen racing, windward racing run entry.
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If we flip flop down to the South France and JT World Challenge Europe, perhaps more of a surprise
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is the fact that Lance Stroll is going to be driving a GT3 Aston Martin.
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Yeah, this really came out of left field for me. And I have to think it might have some influence on
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Max joining the GT3 ranks himself just just because, you know, hey, what do you want to do
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during this one month off break for Formula One with with the two Middle Eastern rounds
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canceled. You know, why not jump in a GT3 car and come to you had an extra one and they put
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put together a lineup. I believe it's in the gold cup. And yeah, it's it's it's quite interesting.
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We obviously know Lance has previous sports car racing experience. He took part in the Rolex 24
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on two occasions. One in a Tripp Genesi racing Daytona prototype of all things. And then a
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Jackie Chan DC racing LMP2 car, I believe the following year.
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So he's not completely foreign to sports car racing. But I believe this will be his GT3 debut.
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I saw some footage or pictures now. I can't remember. I'm getting old of Max doing some
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testing somewhere. And I'm pretty certain in the background was Kimmy Antonelli.
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He was standing in the pit lane as well. Obviously Mercedes driver and Max testing
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the the the windward doing a bit of extra testing in the windward car, which I think
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somehow in my head, I have it, it might have been Barcelona, but I may be I may be wrong.
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As you say, drivers month off. It's a bad thing. Drivers need to be doing stuff. Otherwise,
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they get themselves into trouble. Many a team manager has has told me that I'd like to see
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Lance come in and have a proper go. I think he's driving style. I know he's
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sometimes a bit maligned in Formula One. Nobody gets to Formula One without being talented,
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even if your dad does own the team and the manufacturer. But I do think his driving
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style suits endurance racing really well. And he's very good with these tyres.
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So maybe that's something that will come later on down down the line.
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I mean, tell me a little bit about you mentioned ALMS and some interesting bits and pieces there.
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Where's the storylines for for Barcelona and the circuit to Catalonia this weekend?
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I think it actually comes from the entry list alone. 47 cars, which I believe isn't a record
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for the series. And actually, I believe more pro cars, pro M cars than pro cars this year.
30:08
So that just shows how much interest is coming from bronze rated drivers. You have somebody like
30:13
Stephen Thomas, who had been a longtime driver in the in the LMP2 class in the IMSA Weather
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Tech Sports Car Championship with TDS. He's moving over to ELMS full time with that team,
30:24
bringing Scott Huffaker with them. Also, in the top class where there is the silver mandate,
30:31
Jonas Reed is paired up with Sebastian Prio and Mike Rockenfeller in a proton run
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orica that may not raise a lot of alarm bells. But like I said a little bit earlier,
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that's basically the Ford trajectory team, more or less, you know, similar to what Genesis did last
30:46
year with with their program with Edexport. So it sounds like according to Dan Sayers that
30:54
there's going to be a good amount of of crew sort of rotating through that program, just
31:00
getting experience in prototype racing in general and also with Seb and Rocky getting
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reacquainted or acquainted with ACO rules racing for the first time. Yeah, I thought for the first
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time in a while. I think that's immensely sensible. Going to have some of the vector sport
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engineers in there who effectively be running the WEC program when that gets underway. And
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they I think he said on that round table that that Rachel Organize Rachel came as organized
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for us last week, I think he said something like 80% of the people on that on that team
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will be from the the WEC program what morphs into the WEC program. And I agree with you,
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I think that's eminently, eminently sensible. And I liked Dan, what was he said last week.
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Well, we're not really that a win without a learn, but of course, when you get to a race track dot
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dot dot dot dot. But I think you raised a good point also in that being that they don't want this to
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be a sacrifice to the once they get their hypercar on track in the second half of this year.
32:08
So I think we'll see a trickle down of staff working these ELMS races later in the year
32:14
and maybe some more Germans from proton filling some of those places as the development of
32:20
the yet to be named hypercar goes in the full swing. Yes, it cannot be a distraction.
32:24
It's meant to add to the program not to take away from it. Yeah, totally totally agree with you.
32:30
Let's let's quickly flip. So that's this weekend. And the usual supports without including
32:36
leisure. We had the Ellis on last week, he'll be making his leisure just before
32:46
debut at the weekend. And Michelin the Moncoupe as well. Next week is John's already mentioned
32:54
we're off to Italy and the show will be coming from Italy. The show coming from Italy next week
33:00
as we will have had by then the rescheduled deer long prologue at Imola and then of course
33:08
the six hours at the weekend. Whilst I will be there for the full time and as you've
33:13
heard, John will be there for part of the time. Ben Keating will not be John.
33:17
Yeah, a really unfortunate incident for Ben. He broke his elbow in a training accident. And I
33:25
would I don't have the details, but I know he's an avid off road biker,
33:30
bicycler, you know, not motorcycle. But I have a feeling it probably came from that.
33:36
But it's really unfortunate because he'll be missing the first two rounds and their
33:41
TF Sports said they're targeting to have him back for Le Mans. But in the meantime,
33:46
they have a very interesting bronze rated driver to fill his shoes in Blake McDonald,
33:53
a name that may not be super familiar to people in Europe. But he is coming off an
33:58
Asian Le Mans season with TF in the Corvette. And he was a standout competitor in GT World
34:03
Challenge America powered by AWS in the Pro Am class. He was partnered up with Matt Bell,
34:10
the British Matt Bell for the season. And they've finished runner up in the in the Pro Am
34:16
standings, which is the most competitive class out of the three in that championship. I was
34:21
really impressed with his driving. And he I think he's going to be a real
34:27
maybe I'm saying a little too early, but a revelation of sorts, maybe for these first
34:31
two races. I always sort of thought his goal would be to get to WBC. But again,
34:35
obviously not this early and not under these unfortunate circumstances.
34:38
And of course, we wish Ben all the best. It'll be killing him, not driving.
34:43
I think it's it's an awful joint to have a problem with your elbow elbows and knees.
34:49
And I've had knee problems down through the years. And oh, it's it's awful. And
34:56
the fact that they've already said he's going to be missing two rounds tells you that it
35:00
isn't or he hasn't just chipped a bone. I say no, this is going to be something
35:04
quite serious. And we wish Ben all the best. Staying with GTs in WEC. Jamie Klein had a bit
35:13
of a chat with Esteban Masson for a CODIS last week. And he's really revved up for the season.
35:21
Yeah, it's pretty interesting because Esteban is, you know, the reigning European Lamar series
35:28
LMP to pro class champion, if you would call it. And but he's sort of taken the leadership role in
35:35
one of the CODIS ASP Lexus is this coming season in LMG T three. Obviously, he has been in and
35:44
out of that program for the last couple years. But sort of getting the call up to to be the
35:49
pro driver in that lineup. You know, he's on Toyota's radar, obviously is potentially
35:56
one of the few drivers to succeed. A few others that may have a shake up in the hypercar lineup
36:04
in the coming years. So I think he's the Frenchman is really trying to place himself in a good
36:11
position with the Japanese brand and and to show well this year in LMG T three.
36:17
Yeah, he's such an interesting character, very good driver. I think this team leadership role
36:26
will really suit him. Sometimes, you know, when you when you make a player or an athlete,
36:33
a team captain, if you will, it can sometimes affect their primary performance either behind
36:40
the wheel or as a soccer player or a basketball player or whatever. I think with Esteban,
36:45
I think he'll thrive on this. And as you say, again, I think it's sensible. He is looking
36:54
looking towards the future. You talked about the changes there in
37:01
in hypercar. A driver who is a little bit underutilized at the moment is Julian Andlar.
37:08
However, we heard again, back end of last week, that he's going to be going to Le Mans,
37:14
not with Porsche Penske Motorsport, of course, because they aren't there. But he's going in
37:20
an LMP 2 car. Yeah, it's a quite interesting development. I know myself and Jamie were sort
37:27
of making the rounds at the IMSA media day at the start of the season at Daytona asking the
37:32
Porsche drivers, the PPM drivers specifically, you know, are you pursuing a ride for Le Mans?
37:38
We actually never got to talk to Julian. We spoke to Kevin Estra and Lawrence Vanthorne.
37:44
Kevin said he was pursuing one. Lawrence said no. But Lawrence was quite, Lawrence was quite
37:51
vociferous in that I got a contract to drive a 963. So that's what I expect to be doing for the
37:57
rest of the season. Yeah. And he said he didn't really want to go back to a lower class. He
38:03
wants to go for the overall win, which is understandable, of course. But anyway, Julian
38:07
Andlauer will join Richard Vashour and Dorian Pyn in Duquesne's LMP 2 effort for the French
38:14
endurance classic. This is a pro AM entry in ELMS, but it's being bumped up to a regular LMP 2 for
38:23
the race with Andlauer in the lineup. So I think this is really great for Julian. Obviously,
38:29
he's doing a full IMSA season this year, which is going to be quite interesting to see,
38:33
especially next weekend, making his debut on the streets of Long Beach and leading the championship,
38:38
mind you, as well of being undefeated. If you want to call it that way after the first two races
38:46
on paper, he is, but you know, the whole team order's drama. But we're hoping to get maybe
38:52
some clarity on later this week with some opportunities to talk to some team management
38:56
at PPM. But anyway, that's that's over. That's in the past right now. But certainly great for Andlauer.
39:04
He's he's won Loma and Ellen in GTD. Sorry. All these nomenclatures mix in together after
39:13
these years. GTE AM, that's what it was. Yes. Good memory. Yeah. With proton. I remember
39:22
the team, the 77 car was a Dempsey proton, obviously. But I think he was like 18 at the time. He was one
39:27
of the youngest winners, class winners. But obviously, this is great for him. And
39:34
let's see if maybe Kevin Estra can maybe find a seat as well. I haven't really dug too deep into
39:39
the entry list to see if there's any other openings. But there I know there's slim
39:44
opportunities because most of them are taken up by full season teams.
39:47
And dates. So is there any more clarity on what Matt Campbell's doing for the rest of the season?
39:52
We know he's only doing the longer races in himself. But there was some thought he might not
39:57
even finish all of all of that. So yeah, that's an interesting one. We believe at least there
40:07
are rumors out there and we don't want to confirm anything. And he is likely headed off to
40:12
another manufacturer for next year. And it points potentially in the direction of Ford
40:18
for hypercar. But again, nothing confirmed. I think the idea was Sebring was to be his last race
40:26
in the 963. He's obviously doing NLS this weekend, I believe in a Porsche in the,
40:32
perhaps the Grello Porsche, just because of probably lack of available drivers. But
40:38
so we'll see what happens. I heard it wasn't set in stone if he's coming back for Petit or not.
40:46
That was the last I heard with PPM. Again, it may sort of depend on the development
40:51
process of that other manufacturer he's likely to be headed to. I guess there's only really
40:56
only two to say it could be McLaren or Ford. And like I said, I've heard Ford. But again,
41:02
there's been no definitive confirmation on that. Yeah. And Dan Sears was kept his cards close to
41:09
his chest, let's say, when we spoke to him last week. But he said they would look at people
41:14
who had previous experience in some of the technical side. They've got J.P. Sarazan having
41:21
there as an engineer from the 963 program. Okay, that's one to keep an eye on. I'm
41:29
bouncing around a little bit at them. Oh, actually, before I move on to talking of things,
41:34
Porsche, was that good liveried Porsche? Was that an April Fool? Or was that real?
41:41
So as far as I know, that was real. So I haven't fully dug into this and I was planning to this
41:49
weekend. So we'll hopefully get some more clarity. But there is an active tender open
41:55
for the hypercar tire partner tire manufacturer from 2030 onwards. And part of that tender process,
42:04
I understand, is allowing that those prospective tire brands to evaluate their
42:12
products on hype on current hypercar machinery. So there was a test at Paul Ricard right around
42:19
April 1. So I could understand why that could be a little confusing. It involved a Toyota,
42:25
a Porsche, and I believe a Peugeot, maybe it was a third one. I don't remember the third one.
42:32
But the most striking one was the Porsche and it was decked out in a full Goodyear livery.
42:39
Again, I don't think this was generative AI. I don't think this was an April Fool's.
42:46
I would suspect the only team that could actually run such a thing would be Proton.
42:52
I surely wouldn't be PPM running it. But anyway, the bottom line for that is for Goodyear to evaluate
43:00
to see what it would sort of take for them to put the tender in. You have to sort of evaluate the
43:06
costs of development and to see what kind of undertaking it is. And a hypercar is a lot
43:10
different than an LMP too. So that all makes sense. But yeah, why deck out an entire
43:18
963 in a Goodyear livery? That did seem a little strange to me.
43:22
And then, I mean, it was clearly they were pretty decent photographs if they were
43:27
real and there's no reason to think. So they weren't hiding it. I just wondered whether it
43:31
was something to do with the potential Goodyear. They were doing some filming there as well for
43:35
an art. Oh, that could be it. And also the other thing is we don't know yet what's
43:44
happening with Asian Lamont series and whether what tire company will be asked to supply.
43:52
I think it would be Michelin. Well, I can't say anybody else because nobody would be ready in
43:56
time with it. Yeah. Michelin has been the exclusive tire supplier for Asian Lamont for forever. I
44:02
think it's a start. So I couldn't see them not doing that. But let me put that on my list
44:09
of questions for this weekend as well. And we'll see what we can come up with.
44:13
I have to say, I know what happens in Asian Lamont series, but not in the ELMS. There's
44:19
a mix of tire supplies in the ELMS. Oh, is it all Goodyear there? No.
44:26
It's Michelin and LMP3 in the ELMS. Correct. I can't see for WEC in Lamont.
44:32
I honestly can't see the ACO saying we'll only have one tire supplier.
44:40
I think the only way it would work is if Michelin and Goodyear may be flip-flop.
44:48
Michelin be an LMGT3 and Goodyear in hypercar. But I honestly have mixed feelings about it all.
44:55
Hey, I would like a tire war to come back, but I know we're not going to have that.
44:58
I know. But Michelin has such a legacy of winning overall Lamont. Yeah, it's a little
45:05
tainted now because they're the only tire provider in the hypercar class. But still,
45:10
it would be a seismic shift, especially being a French tire brand and all. And with the long-term
45:17
contract in IMSA through 2035, having the hypercar and GTP cars on different tires that
45:25
could start causing a little bit of problems. So we'll see. Again, this is early stages,
45:29
but I believe the tender will be announced at Lamont this year. So for 2030, that is.
45:37
Well, and that just tells you, doesn't it? And in a period as well, where we don't know what exactly
45:43
what the LNP tools will look like in 2030 might look slightly different in the top class as well,
45:50
in terms of the regulations, or at least be moving towards something different. It just
45:53
tells you how long it takes. As people tell me, well, they're just the round black things on each
46:01
corner. It just tells you how much goes into that, John, doesn't it? Exactly. Yeah, there's so much
46:07
development. And especially having been pretty close to the development schedule of Michelin and
46:15
having seen some behind this, our team has been privy to some behind the scenes testing and
46:22
other analysis and deep dive interviews. It's amazing what Michelin has done just for their
46:28
second generation set of tires, the Pilot Sport Endurance, that will be making its debut in WEC
46:33
this year that already debuted at Daytona. Yeah, absolutely right. I do see, obviously, that
46:39
Goodyear have rebranded the old Dunlop Bridge because Dunlop isn't the company that it used
46:46
to be all those years ago and hasn't been involved in Lamont for quite some time. And I
46:51
wonder if this is just a little bit of a flexing of the muscles. Now, they've got a bit more
46:55
marketing cash behind them as well, because that will, what is called activation money is
47:03
very important to the series, even at a place like Lamont. And I'm sure that some money's
47:10
changed hands for that Goodyear Bridge. And apparently as well, I'm hearing from people
47:16
that I know down there saying that the old bridge was in pretty bad condition. I haven't walked across
47:23
it for many years now, but people who I know who have said it was in bad condition. And there's
47:29
been pretty much a full refurbishment of that bridge paid for by Goodyear in terms of
47:38
repainting it for their branding. That's one thing. But actually, there was some fairly
47:43
big structural reconditioning that had had to be done. Let's get back to the circuit you mentioned
47:49
Long Beach. That's not that far away now is your travel schedule a test. And we've got Spencer
47:57
Pumpelli back in the GT3 and back in the Aston Martin Vantage. Yeah, interestingly enough,
48:04
I believe he actually sits second in the GTD point standings. If you take out all the
48:12
Michelin Endurance Cup runners, I was having a look through this the other day and it was really
48:17
fascinating because the number 27 Heart of Racing car leads GTD after two podium finishes.
48:24
Dudu Barrakello is the only full season driver. Obviously, Spencer is going into
48:30
sub for Tom Gamble who'll be on WEC duty in Imola. So that car is definitively leading
48:36
on 690. Then on 661 points as Foucault, Lilou Wadou and Simon Mann, which is an endurance cup
48:42
only entry that won Sebring. And then third is James Rowland, Houdena's and Scott Andrews,
48:46
which is a lone star of Mercedes, which is also as far as I know, an endurance only entry. So
48:52
right now, the Heart of Racing team will be one, two of sorts in the GTD points. And the
48:58
next closest is the 13 Autosport Corvette. So it's looking really good really early for the 27 crew,
49:09
but great to see Spencer continue his role. It'll be his third different team in three races,
49:16
having started the season, I believe with Magnus and then going to RS1 last time out. So
49:23
it'd be quite a story if he's able to sort of piece together a season with multiple teams.
49:28
I know that's probably not the current plan, but you never know.
49:31
No, indeed. I want to talk a little bit about some slightly worrying news. Now,
49:41
as we are speaking here on Wednesday evening in the UK, there has been some movement on
49:50
diplomatic and diplomatic lines along in the issues in the series issues in the Middle East.
49:58
But Jamie Klein got into a story about super GT, perhaps not going to to Sepang because
50:07
the local government are not keen perhaps on the optics of that given
50:14
petrol rationing and all sorts that's going on in the country at the moment.
50:18
How serious is this in terms of motorsport globally, John, that a big event like super GT,
50:29
which is supported by all the major Japanese manufacturers, could be affected so badly?
50:39
Yeah, actually, the super GT round has been officially postponed for Sepang,
50:46
and that decision follows a quote comprehensive assessment of the current global environment,
50:51
including the escalation and uncertain situation in the Middle East, which is brought upon
50:57
significant operational and logistical challenges. So the official statement from GTA,
51:02
GT Association, doesn't officially pinpoint it to the fuel. But I think that is a concern
51:12
amongst almost all organizers everywhere. We've seen it happen in Australia already.
51:19
The Bathurst six hour was a bit of a stretch to get have enough fuel for that race this last
51:26
weekend. We know airlines are cutting routes because of to save fuel. Right now, in the
51:36
geopolitical world, it looks like the straight up Harmuz is going to could be open for the
51:41
next couple weeks. But things can change very quickly. So I think it is a something that every
51:50
organizer is keeping an eye on. And I wasn't around for this. But you know, back in the oil
51:56
crisis, we had canceled races, we had shorter races. Daytona was a short race, right? Like a
52:03
12 hour safe break as well. Yeah. Yeah. So it wouldn't set a precedent if something
52:10
serious like this happens. Of course, the US, I believe has a larger stockpile of oil. But
52:15
I think particularly in the Asian region, that's the area of concern. Yeah, correct. Because we're
52:22
slightly in Europe, I think we're slightly protected because we don't get as much of the
52:29
crude. It's some of the other products actually that we will struggle for things like aviation
52:35
fuel. And that, of course, is logistics and travel and transportation and all of that something
52:41
certainly to keep keep an eye on. More positive news and WSA will see the cars next week for
52:50
the first time this season. The the prologue single day prologue will be on Tuesday of
52:57
next week. And we'll have this show, as I said, on Wednesday, John will be doing his paddock
53:01
notes. And there'll be lots of pretty pictures, particularly as well, of the new TR or 10
53:08
evil, which is significantly changed around the front end in terms of its looks. But it's
53:14
the livery that's caught my eye, John, because that's one of my favorite liveries from the late
53:18
1990s, that red and white streaked livery for the new TR or 10 evil effectively. And these
53:28
changes on some under the skin, some, as I said, the front a little more noticeable, apparently
53:34
have produced some quite big gains for the car. Yeah, I know they've done a lot of testing in
53:39
the off season. And certainly it is a very different looking Toyota than we've seen in
53:46
the past. And this comes amid the rebranding of the program is no longer Toyota Gazoo Racing,
53:51
but Toyota Racing. It's a bit of a very complex situation with Gazoo Racing Toyota Gazoo
53:57
Racing Toyota Racing. Ultimately, I was trying to get clarity on this a few weeks ago in an SRO
54:03
race and even talking to two of the North American bosses, I was left more confused than I was
54:09
before going into conversation. And this is all off the record. So I anyway, the WEC
54:17
hypercar program will be branded as Toyota Racing. That's why it's the TR 010 now instead
54:24
of the GR. And it comes with the refresh of the car, much like what BMW did with the smaller kidney
54:30
grills. Toyota has probably gone a step above that and have modeled theirs off of a some of their
54:37
production cars from the nose, which is great because their first car, they were the first
54:43
factory LMH car that debuted back in 2021. And it looked very much like a LMP one plus,
54:51
you know, kind of a design. So I'm great that they fully embraced the whole idea of LMDH,
54:57
LMH of what it should be to try to have some crossover. But yeah, I think Toyota is going
55:02
to be very strong this season. They know what they're doing. They're the most experienced
55:07
team with these these these platform of cars and certainly looking to get back into the
55:14
winning ways of years past. They didn't have the season they wanted last year in any
55:20
by any stretch of the imagination. And it just seemed that the car was
55:28
difficult, shall we say it was difficult more times than it was successful, let me see.
55:35
I wonder we've heard this so many times, haven't we, from these EVOs on the top category cars
55:40
both in WEC and in IMSA across both of the the rule sets for LMH and LMDH.
55:48
Engineers, team managers, project leaders saying, what we want to do is get this car to have a bigger
55:55
operating window. And in some ways, perhaps that was the issue last year with Toyota, they weren't
56:02
good at fast circuits, bizarrely, which didn't help them at Le Mans, obviously. So is this what
56:08
which this has not been a root and branch redesign of the car, which it was being
56:13
talked about at one stage, John, but it's it is strikingly different.
56:19
Yeah. And also, we have to remember that all these cars have now visited the same wind tunnel,
56:24
the wind shear wind tunnel in North Carolina. LMH cars previously did not have to do that
56:29
unless they were homologated for the Weathertech Championship. So every all the cars are now
56:35
under a more strict performance window, I wouldn't say it's a tighter performance window,
56:43
at least IMSA says it's not. We'll see what the ACO and FIA say on their end. But I think there's
56:49
a lot more information they were able to glean by using that same wind tunnel, especially
56:56
at least from IMSA side going through these with these with their cars the second time,
57:00
and having the Toyota go through there, the Ferrari, the Pugeot and Aston Martin again,
57:08
all cars have little minor updates like the Ferrari has not taken an Evo Joker,
57:14
but they've have some flicks and some other areas that have changed just like the the
57:18
Valkyrie. So I'm hopeful that we're going to see a more competitive season, but ultimately
57:23
it's going to come down to the BOP process. And we're still sort of waiting to see how that
57:28
will be administered this year in the WEC. Yeah, and yes, exactly. And with one fewer races than
57:37
planned before Le Mans, and I know Le Mans is an outlier, well it'll still for me be of great
57:43
interest. It's just traditionally been an outlier, but let's wait and see on that. There you go.
57:48
You never know what could change. And quite clearly the first race of the season at
57:53
Imola was not the first race not the same characteristic as the first race that the
57:59
teams were expecting at Qatar, which is smooth and flat and fast. And Imola is none of those
58:04
things. It's fast. It's always fast. Just round up. I'm appreciative of your time. And I know
58:10
that you are traveling tomorrow. So travel well will say that for you. You mentioned, of course,
58:18
that David Barrichello is going to be at Long Beach, so he can't be at Imola.
58:24
So who's taking his place at Imola? Yes, so that will be none other than Aston Martin Academy
58:31
graduate Kobe Pals. He's making his WEC debut. He's a 21-year-old, won the Sprint Cup Silver
58:40
class title last year with Come to You Racing. He admitted in his quote that he
58:46
didn't expect to be making his WEC debut so quickly. So much like Blake McDonald, I have to say. Although
58:53
Kobe is a younger driver that has high aspirations. I think this is just sort of leaning on the
59:02
resources and how many different up-and-coming drivers Aston Martin has through their various
59:08
junior and development programs. So the big question is, who will fill that seat
59:16
at the six hours of Sao Paulo? Ian James has been adamant that Dudu is confirmed for the full
59:21
IMSA season. But that's the CTMP race. And Dudu was a very big star at Sao Paulo last year,
59:31
being Brazilian, obviously, and getting the car on pole. And I think they finished on the podium
59:37
and everything like that. So if their IMSA season isn't going well or takes a U-turn by
59:42
CTMP, I could very well see maybe Dudu prioritizing that WEC round just because of his home race.
59:50
Yeah, absolutely right. Jon, thank you very much for your time. As I said, travel well.
59:55
I can say this now. See you next week in Italy, which has a nice ring to it. I might stick a
00:00
microphone under your nose at some stage and find out what you've found out over this
00:04
weekend in the first couple of days of next week. Thanks very much for being on
00:09
Midweek Motorsport and this double stint segment. Thanks, Jon. Absolutely. Thanks.
00:14
It's Midweek Motorsport Series 21 Episode 13.
00:22
Oh, sorry. You caught me off guard there. It's Midweek Motorsport. And here's what's coming up.
00:32
Always makes me laugh. Always makes me laugh. That one.
00:37
Coming up in a second now, tonight's program, Peter McKay with a rally report, which is more
00:44
like a preview for the ERC, the European Rally Championship. We will have also the
00:54
promised Logan Sargent Audio as well, which I mentioned last week. And if we've got time,
01:01
some of your tweets at spectamen as well. But next, a surprise guest of Midweek Motorsport,
01:10
Series 21, Episode number 13. I wasn't expecting this.
01:19
So you might have noticed, keen heedlessness, might have noticed that I didn't mention
01:24
Nick Damon at the start of the show. And that's because he is and your Bradley's
01:33
attendance have been demanded in one of the world's hotspots. They have been deployed
01:38
to Dubai in a peacekeeping rule, I believe, for two car meetings this weekend and next
01:47
weekend. We've got to get him on there before his flight gets called to fly out. Good evening,
01:53
Nick Damon. Good evening. Join the hindoff. Good evening over in there.
01:58
And welcome to the ceasefire. Yeah. Oh, is that where you are? Right. Okay. Ready to fly out.
02:05
He is literally a T3 Royal Portable. Are you a T3 at the moment, are you?
02:11
Yeah, T3 at Preté Monge. Preté Monge with Joe. Excellent. Good stuff. Formula one news.
02:19
So I'm not going to ask you to do a hooray because I do actually want you to get on that flight.
02:25
And perhaps it might draw slightly too much attention to you. Let's talk about this downtime.
02:35
There's a lot, there'll be a lot of nonsense coming out. But one of the things that we do know
02:41
is going to be discussed is this F1, and I use this word advisedly and in inverted commas,
02:49
the crunch 2026 rules meeting. What do we think is going to come out of that?
02:56
And what needs to come out of it? Well, basically, well, I mean, it's a question because,
03:01
you know, you have various different camps within the F1 world with various different
03:05
opinions about what is wrong with the new set of rules. Pretty much down the line,
03:14
it seems to depend how well or badly they're doing with the particular rules. Then you have the
03:20
who are upset about F1 anymore. And then you have people with sensible heads on who go,
03:27
well, some of it's better and some of it's worse. So trying to change,
03:32
but they haven't decided what's better and what's worse.
03:34
Are we going to see major changes? It's going to be tinkering around the edges,
03:38
isn't it? It's going to be maybe a change in the percentages of ICE versus
03:48
battery power or something like that.
03:53
I think prior to the Japanese Grand Prix that the focus was very much on trying to improve
03:59
qualifier. The way they thought of improving qualifier was actually reducing
04:04
electrical usage. And whilst the cars be slower, they'd be able to go as fast as they could possibly
04:09
go for much longer because they wouldn't be having to lift in close or
04:15
if it was. And there were three or four proposals to enable
04:20
flying that to much more attest to the ultimate speed of the car.
04:23
Unfortunately, after Japan, and they had the instant with Oli Berman and
04:29
Frank Colapinto, there's no idea about how do we make up for this sudden
04:35
changes of massive, massive differences in closing speeds.
04:38
And so they're now trying to work out what they can do with that.
04:43
There's also this question that Martin Brundle brought up, which I thought was interesting,
04:50
that in the battle between, it was Lewis Hamilton and one of the McLarens, wasn't it?
04:56
Was it, was it Piastri in the McLaren?
05:00
Norris, it was Norris.
05:01
Yeah, where Landau said, I didn't actually want to overtake, my car decided to go faster.
05:08
And Martin's brought up this regulation, which has been around for a very, very long time
05:13
because the technology that it addresses has been around for a very, very long time.
05:18
In that the driver must always be in control of the car and automatic systems,
05:26
which could have been shifting down, which could have been changing brake balance automatically,
05:30
etc, etc. For many years, this is that technology has been available for a very long time.
05:36
That's not allowed.
05:37
So how close are we getting to the cars doing some of their own driving here and
05:43
therefore getting close to that FIA regulation?
05:48
Well, it's a very good point.
05:50
I mean, I think Norris was being a little disingenuous.
05:53
He basically made it.
05:54
Suddenly had more power and he just went, because Lewis wasn't going as fast.
05:57
And he doesn't like, suddenly he had no throttle on the car,
06:00
accelerated to 200 miles an hour because he wanted to.
06:02
But the point about it, when you don't have a linear power and the amount of power
06:08
you have at any part of the track is decided by the car, not by the driver.
06:12
The driver decides how much throttle are in.
06:15
He says that 50% could be 450 horsepower or it could be 150 horsepower,
06:22
depending where you are on the track.
06:24
And so the full throttle can be 900 horsepower or it can be significantly less.
06:30
It could be as little as 200 if it's used.
06:34
The point is that you're not a direct correlation.
06:38
I know we've been on fly by wire for years.
06:40
There's no longer a direct correlation of the amount of power you ask for.
06:44
Now, whether that means you're not driving it,
06:48
it's hard to say because software has been driving,
06:51
has been controlling power output for years.
06:57
Interesting. Very interesting.
07:00
So I suppose the question is how close is that to actually breaking those regulations, Nick?
07:10
Well, the people who make the rules now, the FIA obviously.
07:13
I mean, we've been close.
07:15
The thing to remember is that there have been workarounds.
07:17
If you remember back in the late 90s, perhaps early 2000s,
07:21
they had gearboxes, which if you pressed,
07:23
if you wanted to go from the 7th to 1st, would do it on one press.
07:26
And they then said, no, you can't do that anymore.
07:28
You have to actually go 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
07:31
I mean, it's a small point.
07:32
There was that argument about brake bias.
07:34
You're absolutely right, Joe.
07:35
I think it was the Alpine team or Rena or whoever they were at the time
07:38
who had this auto brake bias for two or three years before it was found out.
07:42
And they were told they couldn't do it anymore.
07:44
So, but FIA make the rules.
07:46
And so the FIA can decide what is not driving yourself.
07:50
I think it's, you know, the point is, is it safe?
07:55
That's the real thing.
07:56
It's not really, do I like it?
07:58
Does it make a good spectacle?
07:59
But is it safe is what really comes down to?
08:02
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's, that certainly was the people who were pushing the safety
08:10
angle after the Japanese Grand Prix with, with, with Bearman.
08:17
It could have been a far bigger accident.
08:19
It could have been a far smaller accident, depending on which circuit you've been,
08:23
you've been out, but been out.
08:25
And of course, there was no white flags out because he wasn't actually
08:29
quote unquote, the jalapeno was not actually a slow car on the circuit.
08:34
No, it was just, he was just a different part of his cycle.
08:38
So, you know, what can you do now?
08:40
I think they're talking about also changing the lights in the back of the car and making it
08:45
The thing is, this set of regulations, as we've discussed, whether you like it or not, is flawed
08:52
It comes from a place of trying to get 50, 50 electrical and proper fossil and petrol.
08:59
But that was based five years ago.
09:01
And that's what everyone thought the industry wants.
09:03
As we know now, you know, electricity is not even with the current situation of petrol
09:08
Electricity is not the panacea it was thought to be for the manufacture of anybody else.
09:12
So, you know, I'm sure if they were writing the rules now, it wouldn't be this.
09:16
It would be 70, 30 or something, right?
09:18
You know, just a bit more electric than they used to have.
09:21
But they've got what they've got.
09:22
And the problem is, there is an obvious solution.
09:27
And that is you massively derate the amount of electrical power you can use.
09:31
And then suddenly you'll have it the whole time.
09:33
The problem with that is, it makes the cars three, four, five seconds a lap slower.
09:38
Does it matter though?
09:40
My question is, does it matter?
09:41
Because what we have seen with these regulations, Nick, and it was clearly shown
09:46
at Suzuka, which is a notoriously difficult place to pass or get close to cars anyway.
09:55
Following through the Esses, I've never seen people following that clause through the
09:59
Esses for 20, 25, 30 years.
10:02
So, if we could get rid of this, this pierce differential, then the racing could actually
10:11
be really rather good because it seems that we can follow other cars.
10:16
So, does it matter if the four seconds a lap slower or is that just that formula one
10:21
thing of it has to be the best ever.ts?
10:26
It's just pure hubris.
10:28
It doesn't matter at all.
10:29
No one can tell the difference between a lap of 130 and a lap of 134.
10:36
But if you say you can, you're either some sort of autistic savant or a liar because you can't.
10:43
So, the point about it is they want it with the fastest TM and that's it.
10:46
And they're very worried they were going to be seven seconds slower than it was last year
10:51
and then a bit too close to Formula 2.
10:53
But that doesn't matter either.
10:54
None of this matters.
10:55
It's all how it seems.
10:59
And it's the impression they want to make for social media and this sort of stuff.
11:02
But a situation they've got themselves into, the problem is that they can't completely
11:10
backpedal anything to the beginning of next year because that would require too much
11:13
re-jigging, retooling, re-homologating of engine.
11:17
If you turn around the engine manufacturer, so I think they've got 400,
11:20
I think they've got 480, 475 horsepower I think at the moment.
11:25
Now, if they said next year you can have 575 horsepower,
11:29
none of the manufacturers have an issue with that.
11:31
A 1.6-litre turbo has no issue in racing trim making another 100 horsepower.
11:35
It's just not allowed to.
11:37
But they certainly can't do it before the beginning of next season.
11:39
So, you can start adjusting that power offset and trade.
11:44
But it's really trying to sort it out for this manning 19 races this season.
11:50
Have you seen this open letter from Alpine about Holopinto and his sabotage claims?
11:58
Yeah, I mean, this is the toxic fandom problem, unfortunately.
12:03
You know, it's quite good news because Max Verstappen's fans used to be the most toxic,
12:07
but now it absolutely is Franke Holopinto's who's thus far the most toxic.
12:11
You know, if you look at him the wrong way, half of Argentina tries to put death
12:14
out on you. You know, it's just it's it's ferventness of the fans.
12:18
They're under the impression that, you know, obviously,
12:20
Pierre Gazi is doing as much doing a much better job, but it's much faster than Franke.
12:24
And therefore, they are under the impression that Franke is being
12:27
disadvantaged by Alpine or by Flavia.
12:30
And I think it's something to do with a different wing setting you have with something wrong.
12:33
And oh, it's not fair.
12:34
And then they're death threats and a ridiculousness.
12:37
So Alpine decided to say stop being so blooming stupid.
12:40
But at the same time, what they did say was thank you very much for the money from Argentina
12:43
for enjoying cash in the checks.
12:45
Yeah, not quite what they said that when we're talking about fast tracking parts
12:52
and sometimes only select parts or upgrades arrive at some events.
12:59
It's not the desired approach.
13:00
They said if a performance upgrade or part is as we hope and intend,
13:04
then we make it available on both cars.
13:07
I mean, for that again, this is people who don't understand how F1 works,
13:11
because that's always been the way.
13:12
If you've got one set of parts, you give them to the fast car.
13:16
You know, I didn't hear the whole of Mexico moaning when Paris never got anything decent
13:21
when the Stappen did.
13:22
And it happened last year to the Sonoda as well, but half the season as well.
13:25
You know, this is just what happens.
13:26
The other part of that is that these, in some ways,
13:29
are they might have looked faster in the same,
13:31
but you might get them to the track and they might be rubbish.
13:34
Now, that's that's that's the that is the, you know,
13:39
development part giveth development part possibly take it away.
13:46
It's that thing, isn't it?
13:47
The bottom of all the all of the investment ads,
13:51
your investment could go up as well as down.
13:53
Your development part may give you a better lap time
13:56
or in fact, make you totally rubbish.
13:59
But yeah, it's again, it's just, you know,
14:03
just the rubbish that's going around on the internet.
14:05
And, you know, the problem is when they're getting people emailed
14:09
with, you know, threats from, you have to kind of answer it.
14:12
I mean, it is a very toxic world, the F1 world now,
14:16
especially with Max doing badly.
14:20
What else has been going on?
14:25
So we've got a break now until the first weekend in May
14:29
when we're at Miami, by the way, Nick Damon,
14:33
not with a team by team tonight, but doing
14:36
jumping in before he literally gets on a plane
14:39
to go to Dubai for a couple of weekends of
14:42
carting, which you can catch this weekend and next weekend on
14:47
Live TV, live TV on YouTube.
14:52
Out of the teams up and down the paddock then, Nick,
14:56
who benefits from this break the most?
15:00
Well, that's a brilliant question because they all,
15:03
I don't think apart from Mercedes benefits,
15:05
Mercedes benefit the least because their car's working
15:09
But it's kind of cross, you know, people have got problems,
15:14
but they also want to be able to test on the track
15:16
to see if they've solved their problems.
15:18
So, you know, I would say that people benefit the most.
15:21
Definitely Aston Martin, because just missing two races
15:24
means they miss two potential sources of massive embarrassment.
15:29
Is it really that bad there?
15:31
Oh, gosh, yes, it's getting worse.
15:33
It seems like not only is the car performance an issue now,
15:39
but there are all kinds of issues within the team.
15:44
There's been people pointing the finger at Adrian Newey
15:47
and saying he's not up to the job anymore.
15:49
And Damon Hill's weird.
15:51
You know what I'm saying?
15:52
I think he's seeing Ambassador now for them,
15:54
or is he still just talking as a pundit?
15:58
But it all seems to be falling apart for Lauren Stroll.
16:03
Yeah, I mean, you come in a big splash,
16:06
you spend all the money, you employ all the big names,
16:08
and it doesn't work.
16:10
You are going to pick up some very heavy flak,
16:12
but you know, it's Honda having another Honda problem,
16:16
but don't forget, you know, prior to the four championship in a row they won,
16:22
they had several very bad years.
16:24
So, you know, they'll get there,
16:26
but it's just really good for to wait and see
16:28
And Lauren couldn't the first time round.
16:30
Yeah, it's embarrassing.
16:32
And it's not wasted for a month.
16:34
It means it's less embarrassing.
16:35
And there's more chance would be at least below average
16:38
rather than terrible when they get to Miami.
16:40
And it gives Lance Stroll,
16:41
as we were talking about earlier on in the programme,
16:44
with John De Geese,
16:45
it gives Lance Stroll a chance to go and rest this weekend
16:49
at Manicor in a GT3 car,
16:51
which may well end up being a hypercar at some stage for Lance.
16:57
And I've always thought that that's where he should be,
16:59
as I said earlier on.
17:00
So, if then the embarrassment factor is an advantage
17:07
or the lack thereof for Aston Martin racing,
17:10
which I'm still going to keep calling Andrea Morda racing
17:13
until they actually do something.
17:15
Well, they are, they're not bad.
17:18
Who else, who else does it benefit?
17:20
If it's Mercedes are getting the least benefit out of it,
17:22
who among particularly the top teams on the midfield teams,
17:25
who are going to be going, this is mega?
17:27
Well, yeah, I mean, you've got a lot of people
17:31
everyone's going to bring a massive upgrade to Miami.
17:34
Now, whether they work or not, as we said, I don't know,
17:36
but certainly McLaren,
17:38
you've got to see one from Red Bull,
17:39
you're going to see one from Ferrari.
17:42
They'll be able to upgrade the chassis quite easily.
17:44
Engine-wise, obviously they wait to see what the rules are changing,
17:47
if they are changing.
17:48
And then they are quite stymied at the moment
17:51
because they won't have got the first chance
17:53
to get a free upgrade or a free upgrade,
17:55
a very expensive upgrade,
17:56
but free as far as the rules are concerned.
17:58
Because that catch-up method won't be sorted out until after Miami.
18:03
So engine-wise, apart from improving the software,
18:06
apart from getting the bottom of perhaps some reliability problems,
18:09
you're not going to see many changes.
18:10
Because genuinely, the way you work that out
18:13
is actually on the track now.
18:14
That's where they learn the most of that.
18:16
But also in the car, in the chassis, absolutely.
18:18
If you've got chassis issues or you've got cooling issues,
18:21
that's where you absolutely sort it out
18:22
because you can bring a massive upgrade package,
18:26
There would have been upgrade packages,
18:27
so there's the last two or the next two of the rest anyway
18:29
after the initial run.
18:30
But now they've got a chance to stick them all on
18:32
and hopefully have them tested.
18:34
But then they'll hit the track and hope for their work.
18:36
But that'd be all the teams.
18:37
But you know, normally, the teams who are furthest behind
18:40
have made the mistakes.
18:41
They're the ones who like to pick up,
18:42
like Williams, for example,
18:44
wouldn't might be able to shed some of their excess weight.
18:47
And that's free time.
18:51
We should remind ourselves that Kimmy Antonelli
18:54
leads the drivers' championship by,
18:56
what is it, nine points over George Russell
19:00
with Charlie Claire and Lewis Hamilton
19:03
in third and fourth Mercedes,
19:06
with a 45-point lead over Ferrari with McLaren,
19:10
another 44 points further back and Haas in fourth position.
19:17
After the first few grand prix,
19:20
is that where you thought it would be?
19:22
Nick, who's doing, I know it's not half-distance,
19:25
so it's not the summer break,
19:27
but it's kind of an enforced half-term, isn't it really,
19:30
rather than the half-distance.
19:33
Who's doing better?
19:34
Who's doing worse than you expected?
19:37
Well, I think those who are doing worse is Red Bull
19:41
because they should be in the top four
19:42
and they looked pretty good in testing
19:44
and looked okay in the first race.
19:46
But the second-last race has been quite poor,
19:47
both reliability and pace wise.
19:50
So they're definitely underachieving
19:51
both chassis and engine wise.
19:54
You know, I think the top three,
19:56
everyone thought Mercedes were going to be best than they are.
19:59
You know, it's Ferrari getting better than McLaren
20:01
and realistically, we don't really know,
20:03
because McLaren have had those reliability issues.
20:05
So you'd have to say Ferrari are getting better
20:06
because they actually managed to get the cars to the end of the race.
20:09
So that's kind of a jury's out there
20:11
on who's doing better than who's doing better.
20:12
I think Alpine are doing very well
20:13
and they've produced a good upgrade.
20:18
And the rest are kind of,
20:19
Williams is doing poorly because it's underdeveloped,
20:22
it's too heavy and obviously,
20:23
we've always spoken about the people who do really, really badly.
20:26
And the rest are kind of doing what you expect them to do.
20:27
How so where they are,
20:28
because they've had a couple of good results.
20:29
But a couple of good results,
20:31
you know, a seventh place have gone to somebody else,
20:33
they'd be behind them.
20:34
So it's all kind of like that typical midfield scuffle.
20:38
Yeah, I mean, I think Red Bull are below where they should be.
20:42
Well, Red Bull are only two points ahead of racing balls
20:44
at the moment in sixth and seventh position.
20:47
And they're, you know, they're 16 and 14
20:50
for Red Bull and Racing Bull.
20:52
Alpine on 16 points and not early days,
20:58
and then there's the big gap to McLaren on 46
21:01
and then the big gap from McLaren to Ferrari
21:03
and from Ferrari to Mercedes.
21:06
I mean, it's early days, yes,
21:07
but we're already seeing some kind of pecking order here, Nick.
21:11
And those points, those points differences,
21:13
when you get to 40 odd points between teams here,
21:16
that's quite difficult to pull back
21:19
unless you have an absolute nightmare
21:23
I mean, yeah, if we'd had the two Middle East races,
21:26
that trend would have continued.
21:28
We wouldn't have had the reset properly at this point.
21:30
It might not have become Miami.
21:31
It might be the reset.
21:32
It might have been when they got to Europe.
21:33
But we haven't got those two races.
21:34
So we've got, we have got a semi reset.
21:37
The only thing I would say is that in my experience
21:41
of the last 30 years of F1, I've only seen,
21:45
I think twice, a bad car become a good car.
21:49
And once was McLaren about three years ago.
21:52
And that's, you know, it just doesn't happen.
21:54
It's not the way it works.
21:55
You know, there are silver.
21:57
Also, the thing to remember as well is that
21:59
even though Mercedes and Mars ahead,
22:00
they also have a huge amount of time
22:02
they can do on a car.
22:03
This is the first year of the car.
22:05
They're nowhere near the limits.
22:06
So Mercedes is not going to sit there,
22:08
you know, hanging around the back of the wind
22:10
until having a cigarette.
22:12
They'll be working as well.
22:13
And they've got things that they want to do.
22:15
So it's not like, it's not like an easy target.
22:18
To try and catch up to them.
22:20
Your imagery is outstanding.
22:24
And now I have in my head a whole load of Mercedes people
22:27
standing, sitting in that boveral or whatever it is they have.
22:29
Go on, yeah, we're fine.
22:30
We don't have to do anything else.
22:31
That's absolutely great.
22:32
Who got wordled this morning?
22:34
You know, as you rightly said, that's not happening at all.
22:40
Was one of the cars that was a bad car that got better?
22:43
Was that Red Bull last year?
22:44
Was that always a good car that just didn't realize
22:47
No, the Red Bull, but that wasn't, that was a,
22:50
effectively, that was, they went down the wrong path
22:54
three or four months early and they didn't notice it
22:56
and they had to retrait and go back again.
22:58
So that was always a good car.
22:59
That car won all the races in 23.
23:01
It was always a good car.
23:02
But they actually, you know,
23:04
one thing I would say about Red Bull is,
23:07
trying to, if you knew a comment,
23:10
if you knew, we always said he had a lot more to his Red Bull
23:13
than he was given credit for by either Christian Hall
23:16
or then they always think Pierre Vache was doing all well.
23:18
Well, this is definitely a Pierre Vache car
23:20
and it's not very good.
23:21
So take into that as you will.
23:23
Very quickly, because I know you've got to run for a flight.
23:27
Safe travels, by the way, you and Jordan and reminder,
23:29
can'ting live TV at the weekend.
23:31
Where are you at the weekend, by the way,
23:32
before I ask you the last question, you and Alan.
23:34
Right. And next weekend as well.
23:36
Yep. Yep. We've got two.
23:37
Alan, Alan is fantastic because an hour and a half
23:39
can do by an hour and a half from Abu Dhabi.
23:41
So it's in the middle of nowhere.
23:43
And it's a good track, isn't it?
23:44
It's a great track.
23:46
OK. We'll be keeping an eye on that over the weekend.
23:53
We've had a start of the season, then,
23:56
that has had Grand Prix at Australia and Shanghai,
24:02
Australia, China, Japan.
24:04
None of those really are your quote-unquote
24:08
standard European circuits.
24:09
Oh, I think Shanghai is quite close.
24:12
I think Shanghai is, yes.
24:14
They always say all this tracks are unique.
24:17
Well, obviously, all the tracks are unique.
24:18
So it's not, you know.
24:20
I think the Shanghai track is pretty much...
24:24
If you deconstruct it and built it in the middle of Germany,
24:27
it would be a standard European track.
24:29
Zucca, obviously, is an old-school test of machine.
24:34
But as we saw, it's impossible to overtake on.
24:38
Miami is difficult to overtake on
24:40
because of the nature and the design of the track.
24:44
Well, that's a good point.
24:45
You know, it might remain that way.
24:48
Or, you know, it wasn't...
24:48
Yeah, you didn't used to get the overtakes.
24:50
You got it out of the park.
24:51
Now, was that the first race?
24:54
But, yeah, we don't know.
24:55
Also, we don't know what the power,
24:56
how they're going to be able to manage the power.
24:58
That's going to change things.
24:59
But, yeah, I mean, obviously, one thing I would say
25:01
is that Miami was obviously the track
25:02
which Kimi Antony restarted out
25:06
for the first time last year.
25:07
So don't expect a sudden comeback from George.
25:09
You're going to have to build up to it.
25:12
Well, that was going to be my next question.
25:15
Perhaps a bit of a fool's errand to ask this question,
25:19
but is it possible to say who has an advantage
25:22
on any track now, given that, effectively,
25:25
we seem to be rolling the dice
25:27
or throwing the cards up in the air
25:29
pretty much before every Grand Prix?
25:31
Well, yeah, but, you know, what we can say
25:35
is that the Mercedes is the best car in clear air.
25:38
And we can say the Ferrari is the best car off the line.
25:41
And that's it, really.
25:42
But that might change.
25:44
It's not a great long run down to the first corner at Miami,
25:48
so Ferrari may have to qualify better.
25:50
Is that a fair comment?
25:51
Well, yeah, they've been qualified in the top six.
25:54
But, yeah, they need to get past McLaren.
25:57
But, yeah, again, we just don't...
25:59
Because we don't know what they're going to do with the engines.
26:02
It maybe won't be the same as it was.
26:05
Then it's off to Canada.
26:06
And then we get into the bulk of the
26:10
European season with Monaco again, an outlier.
26:14
Do we actually find out anything
26:15
before we get to Barcelona in June, that Le Mans we get?
26:19
Well, yeah, I mean, every single race
26:21
is telling us things about the government,
26:23
but part of Monaco, which is going to be different in every way.
26:27
But every other track will tell you what things you want to find out.
26:30
They keep all these tracks different, this tractor.
26:31
And I said, before, they're all different.
26:33
And then you get to Barcelona,
26:34
you get to track which everyone knows,
26:35
and then you've got a very interesting read
26:37
on where everything is aerodynamically, to be honest.
26:39
But, you know, the standard track scenes
26:43
and now it's quite short,
26:44
you know, that everything has been added
26:45
has been a bit different.
26:46
You know, you can look at the standard tracks
26:48
and, you know, there's 24 races,
26:52
and if we ran all 24, then probably you'd say 11,
26:55
11 or 12 are standard and 11 or 12 are outliers,
26:57
which isn't my definition of an outlier, but there we go.
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Final question, folks.
27:01
I know you've got to jump on a plane.
27:02
I'm just looking at the time.
27:03
25 past eight here, in fact, just after that.
27:07
So, what is going to be the big nonsense story then
27:13
before we get to Miami?
27:14
Because they'll have to fill some headline somewhere.
27:18
It's just going to be about Max Verstappens.
27:21
Will he want you to retire?
27:22
Will he want you to get taken to the Spartacals?
27:23
Will he want you to stop moaning, really?
27:26
Yeah, that's the only story there is at the moment
27:28
because nothing else they'll know until the car's at the ground.
27:32
That's Nick Damon joining us on his way to Dubai.
27:37
He's on Karting Live TV with Job Bradley this weekend,
27:41
Alain on Saturday and Sunday,
27:43
and then I'll see him next weekend
27:45
as well when everything is happening
27:48
in the world of motorsport with RSL.
27:50
So, you can watch all of that.
27:52
Great little circuit.
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Thank you very much indeed.
27:56
Nick Damon joining us live from Heathrow Airport.
27:59
Yes, really, here on Midweek Motorsport,
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Series 21, Episode 13.
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Now, ah, yes, that music means it's time
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for Peter Mackay and his rally report.
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Welcome to this week's edition of Rally Report here
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on Midweek Motorsport with me, Peter Mackay,
28:36
and I am so excited because next week,
28:40
finally, we get started
28:42
with the 2026 European Rally Championship season.
28:47
The regular risk listeners to Rally Report
28:50
will know that the European Rally Championship,
28:52
particularly, is very, very close to my heart.
28:55
I've had the great joy of working on the championship
28:58
since it changed promoter in 2022
29:01
and it's been broadcast on Rally TV ever since.
29:06
And my role as part of the championship
29:08
is to be there at the stage end,
29:10
interviewing the drivers
29:12
right after they've gone over the finish line.
29:15
And I've been so lucky to share moments
29:18
of great triumph, of despair, of achievement,
29:22
and joy, all in equal measure at the stop line.
29:26
And it really is one of the great privileges
29:30
So in this rally report,
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I'm going to take you through what we can expect
29:37
and if you're new to the European Rally Championship,
29:40
tell you a little bit about what it's all about.
29:43
So let's start there.
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What is the European Rally Championship,
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or ERC, as it's abbreviated to?
29:49
Well, in 2026, it will consist of seven
29:53
of Europe's most exciting rallies,
29:56
five of which will be on tarmac
29:58
and two of which will be on gravel.
30:01
We would have had a third on gravel
30:04
making up eight events,
30:05
but unfortunately rally Hungary had to be cancelled
30:09
for reasons outwith of the control of the championship.
30:13
And what really typifies the European Rally Championship
30:17
is the really intoxicating combination
30:20
of young up-and-coming drivers
30:22
trying to make their way through to the WRC.
30:24
So fans of the World Rally Championship
30:27
will know John Armstrong who drives
30:30
Martin Sesks who also appears for M Sport Ford,
30:35
These are all drivers who have come through the ERC.
30:37
Oliver Solberg had a period in the ERC,
30:40
so did Callie Rovin-Perra and many, many others.
30:44
It's a proven place to really cut your teeth
30:48
and to show what you're capable of
30:50
and hopefully make it up to the very highest level
30:54
into the World Rally Championship.
30:56
But also, you have experienced hands
30:59
who've maybe had a time in the World Rally Championship
31:02
and for various reasons are looking to change
31:04
the way they go rallying
31:06
and have set up programs to go and compete
31:08
in the European Championship.
31:10
Most effectively recently
31:12
was when Hayden Padden set up a program with Hyundai
31:15
and the BRC Racing Team
31:17
and won two European titles
31:19
in seriously convincing fashion.
31:22
So you sometimes see drivers like that
31:24
who have had their success in the past
31:26
and have come in to go and try
31:28
and win some more silverware.
31:30
And then, as if that wasn't enough,
31:32
you mix in local heroes
31:35
who may have a very specific skill
31:39
or a specific knowledge of a particular event.
31:42
So, for example, when we go to the Czech Republic
31:46
the local drivers are very, very hard to beat
31:49
with the knowledge that they have of the stage.
31:52
So that's the mix of what you'll get
31:55
in the European Championship
31:56
and it makes it such a diverse
31:59
and interesting story
32:00
to follow throughout the year.
32:04
But in 2026, who are the drivers
32:06
that we expect to line up
32:08
for the full season and fight for the title?
32:11
Well, the best place to start, of course,
32:13
is our defending champion, Miko Marcik,
32:16
who last year made a breakthrough
32:19
and finally got that European title,
32:22
which he's worked very hard
32:23
and worked for many, many years
32:25
in the European Championship to get to.
32:28
Last year, he wasn't necessarily
32:30
the quickest driver in the field.
32:33
He, you know, his rivals in the Championship title,
32:35
Andrea Mabellini and John Armstrong
32:38
had more stage wins,
32:39
more power stage points, etc.
32:41
But it was the podiums
32:43
that brought Miko Marcik his title.
32:46
Five out of eight podiums
32:48
and good results when he wasn't on the podium as well.
32:51
That was what got him that crown last year.
32:54
It went right down to the wire
32:56
but a very strong performance
32:58
in the wet on the last day
33:01
in Croatia managed to get him that crown.
33:04
He returns very much as the continuity candidate.
33:07
He's got the same co-driver
33:09
in Szymon Gospodarczyk,
33:11
over 100 events they've done together.
33:13
He returns in his Skoda Fabia RS Rally 2
33:16
for the fourth season in a row
33:19
and he's competing with the same team,
33:21
with Top Cars Rally Team.
33:23
That whole combination
33:25
could be a key to him defending his title in 2026
33:29
and of course returning to several events
33:32
that he's done many times before now.
33:35
So for Miko Marcik,
33:37
everything is going to be pretty much the same
33:39
as where he left it
33:41
when he came away with the title
33:43
from Zagreb at the end of the season last year.
33:47
his rival last year throughout the year,
33:51
most of it is new for him.
33:53
Now in terms of co-driving,
33:56
Andrea returns with his co-driver,
33:59
who's also his partner in life as well.
34:02
They're a wonderful couple of people
34:05
and they will come very much determined
34:09
to get that title in 2026.
34:12
They came so close last year
34:14
and very, very easily could have won the title.
34:18
Little bits and pieces of bad luck
34:19
that didn't go their way.
34:21
They are determined to return
34:24
and take that crown for the very first time.
34:28
they will be doubly determined to do so
34:30
because they carry very much national pride
34:34
with them this year
34:35
because they will be in a Lancia.
34:38
And that is a huge story
34:41
for the European Rally Championship
34:42
with the Lancia brand,
34:44
which is of course an iconic rallying brand
34:47
returning after a very,
34:49
nearly a quarter of a century away
34:51
from the European Rally Championship.
34:55
So Andrea Mabellini will return
34:58
with, of course, an Italian car
35:00
and an Italian co-driver.
35:02
A few new things in the package there,
35:04
a new team to work with.
35:05
Of course, new car.
35:06
He was in Escoda last year,
35:08
but Mabellini, he is super quick,
35:10
particularly on tarmac
35:13
and proved last year
35:15
to be one of the very fastest drivers
35:17
anywhere in the championship.
35:20
So those are the two returning stars
35:22
who were up in the fight last year.
35:24
And then we introduce a new character
35:29
he won his two European titles
35:32
and is focusing on other things
35:33
and this year, of course,
35:34
competing back in the World Rally Championship again.
35:37
But that doesn't mean we're starved
35:42
because quite a surprise
35:44
to us all in the service park,
35:48
the rapid finish driver
35:50
has announced a full season program
35:52
with Scoda and with the racing factory.
35:55
And with Temu Suninen,
35:58
he has only competed
35:59
in one ERC rally before.
36:01
That was in Estonia in 2015,
36:04
but he has got a new co-driver
36:09
in the Scodafabia RS Rally 2.
36:12
And his tarmac experience
36:14
over the last little while
36:15
and of course, tarmac
36:17
in the ERC is so important
36:19
with five out of the seven events this year
36:21
going to be held on tarmac,
36:24
is vitally important.
36:27
he's done less than 10 tarmac rallies
36:31
since COVID basically
36:32
in the last six or seven years.
36:36
of question marks of his pace
36:40
I think he's going to be very,
36:44
with the two gravel events
36:46
in Royal Rally of Scandinavia,
36:48
which is super quick
36:50
and the North Portugal rally
36:55
at the end of the season,
36:55
the rally that he knows really,
36:58
I think it's fantastic.
37:03
and the expectation
37:06
the European Rally Championship
37:08
and what we come to see
37:11
It was really, really impressive
37:13
and can't wait to get chatting to Teemu
37:22
coming into the championship.
37:24
Isaac Rearson has been
37:26
to the European championship
37:27
a few times on gravel events,
37:30
he's been able to put a program
37:34
in the full championship season,
37:37
A really, really nice young guy
37:39
grew up with Oliver Solberg
37:42
on both gravel events
37:43
that he competed on last year
37:46
really the real deal on that surface.
37:54
Great to see him in
37:58
Reigning British Rally Champion
38:00
Brooke Will Crichton
38:01
who competed in the Toyota
38:03
with Melvin Evans Motorsport last year,
38:05
he has switched across to
38:08
a Citroen C3 Rally 2
38:10
for a full campaign
38:11
in the European Rally Championship.
38:14
he won't be in a Citroen
38:15
for the full season.
38:18
he will be switching from the Citroen
38:20
to the new Lancia Y Rally 2
38:24
which is tipped to be a very strong car
38:31
Will's a really strong driver.
38:33
He's won the Junior World Rally Championship
38:36
and is starting to build up
38:37
really strong Rally 2 car experience now.
38:48
We have so many other drivers
38:50
returning to the European Rally Championship this year,
38:52
some for more limited programmes.
38:56
we've got Jandemenico Basso,
38:58
multiple champion in the ERC
39:00
before he's going to be returning
39:03
and will be there on the start line
39:07
where drivers might announce
39:08
a guaranteed three or four event programme
39:11
but if it goes well,
39:12
they may increase that to a full season.
39:15
We've got the young,
39:18
won the Polish Championship last year,
39:22
returning after a difficult 2025
39:25
but super, super quick,
39:26
particularly on tarmac,
39:30
junior European Rally Champion,
39:34
his World Junior Championship
39:37
with a win in Sweden.
39:40
to the Rally 2 level as well.
39:43
in the top category,
39:49
Quite a remarkable effort
39:51
to get so many drivers in there.
39:56
and going to be great to see
39:58
who comes out on top.
40:02
if the drivers are special,
40:04
the events aren't equally so.
40:09
the European Rally Championship
40:13
on the rapid Spanish tarmac
40:17
which is a really nice blend
40:19
of a little bit of Catalonia style,
40:22
quite wide roads in places,
40:23
a little bit of positive camber
40:25
in a lot of the corners.
40:26
But then you get more
40:27
of a kind of Eastern European style
40:30
where you get a lot more cutting
40:31
which is quite unusual in Spain,
40:33
but you get a lot of dirt
40:34
coming onto the road in places.
40:36
Some very fast stages,
40:37
some over 120 kilometers
40:39
on our average speed,
40:40
which is very, very quick
40:44
with a raft of local Spanish drivers
40:46
who will be very, very strong
40:47
and know the roads better
40:49
than the established
40:51
European Championship regulars,
40:53
just situated just outside
40:55
the town of Córdoba
40:57
in the rolling hillsides.
40:59
It's absolutely glorious
41:01
and fingers crossed
41:01
we're going to get some typical
41:05
Then for round two,
41:07
switching from tarmac
41:09
the Royal Rally of Scandinavia.
41:12
Many of these roads
41:13
used to be used on Rally Sweden
41:16
in the winter time.
41:18
They're the exact same road,
41:19
so everybody knows Collins Crest
41:22
and everyone jumping
41:24
in between the trees there.
41:25
Those same stages are used,
41:27
albeit just in the summertime,
41:29
so it's just pure gravel
41:32
of the road surface
41:36
That Royal Rally of Scandinavia,
41:38
we see some of the highest
41:46
trees lining the side of the stage
41:48
requires big commitment
41:50
and the Scandinavian drivers
41:51
are really hard to beat
41:53
at that particular event.
41:55
Then we switch back on to tarmac
41:59
of Rally Silesia in Poland
42:01
just outside Krakow.
42:04
Really cool rally actually.
42:05
Remember we used this event
42:10
and it's kind of like
42:11
an Ypres Rally style.
42:13
Quite a lot of square junctions,
42:15
quite flat in its character
42:18
that can ride the bumps quite well
42:20
but also a car that's got
42:21
good traction and torque
42:23
coming out of slow corners.
42:25
It's a really cool event.
42:27
One by Andrea Mabalini
42:29
in mixed conditions
42:30
a couple of years ago.
42:31
It took last year off
42:32
and is back in the championship
42:38
I have to be biased.
42:41
in the whole of the year
42:43
the Barum Czech Rally Zlin.
42:46
An event that's been
42:48
since the late 1970s
42:51
and it's gone all the way through.
42:53
It's been part of the European
42:54
Championship since the 80s
42:56
and it's gone all the way through
42:57
only missed one year
42:58
and that was the Covid pandemic year.
43:01
It's for me the fiercest
43:03
tarmac rally in the world.
43:04
There is nothing like it.
43:10
The weather is often changeable.
43:12
If you make a mistake
43:13
the consequences are big.
43:15
The local drivers are
43:17
almost impossible to beat.
43:19
It's very, very rare
43:21
to see a non-local driver.
43:23
When it's happened only a few
43:25
times in the last 20 or 30 years.
43:27
If you can go to Barum
43:28
and beat the locals
43:30
you can do pretty much anything
43:32
It is as special as it gets.
43:35
It's raw, it's edgy,
43:37
it's one that you cannot miss.
43:40
Then we go to Wales.
43:43
So we have an international event
43:48
but we have the European Championship
43:51
for the third year in a row
43:53
for what is one of the best
43:54
tarmac events anywhere around.
43:57
Always the organisers
43:59
come up with new stage routes
44:01
to keep the drivers guessing
44:05
had the great joy of switching
44:06
from my stage end position
44:09
to the commentary position for that
44:11
and absolutely loved it.
44:14
take his first win in the ERC
44:17
and six months later
44:17
he was on the start line
44:20
in Raleigh, Monte Carlo.
44:22
So it's one that is close to my heart.
44:24
So the run through summer
44:26
between Barum and Ceredicchi
44:27
and very, very cool.
44:28
And then we close off the season
44:30
in one of the rallying heartlands
44:33
in Faf in Portugal.
44:34
Everyone knows the Faf jump
44:36
all of the stages around there.
44:38
Faf, Viera D'Aminio, etc.
44:41
Really, really cool.
44:42
That will be a rally
44:44
where the drivers with WRC2 experience
44:48
or even WRC experience from the past
44:50
will really have an advantage
44:52
because they've known those roads
44:57
in the top category
44:58
it's the Raleigh 2 car
44:59
which you'll see in WRC2
45:04
nearly 300 horsepower
45:07
and capable on certain stages
45:09
of doing 130 kilometers an hour
45:12
average speed on a fast tarmac stage
45:14
on a really fast tarmac stage
45:16
and on a fast gravel stage
45:18
like a non-employer in Finland
45:20
135 kilometers an hour average speed.
45:23
So if anyone tells you
45:24
Raleigh 2s they're not that fast
45:26
they are really, really quick.
45:28
Not quite as quick as a WRC Raleigh 1 car
45:33
there is quite a difference between them.
45:36
You've got the established player
45:39
very, very successful
45:41
in the European Raleigh Championship
45:42
in many national events
45:44
good on both surfaces
45:45
quick as quick on gravel
45:47
as it is on tarmac.
45:48
The Citroens have proven
45:49
to be very, very strong on tarmac
45:51
maybe not quite as much on gravel.
45:56
this will be its third season now
45:57
the Toyota Yaris Raleigh 2
46:01
many, many times on gravel
46:07
Then we might see one or two Ford
46:10
and Hyundai i20 Raleigh 2s
46:13
but they're becoming less popular
46:19
Toyota's particularly
46:22
the return of Lancia
46:24
with their Y Raleigh 2
46:29
how cool is that to say
46:30
Integralei back again
46:34
That's a quick synopsis
46:38
for the European Raleigh Championship
46:42
If you're in the UK
46:44
well if anywhere in the world
46:46
you can tune in on rally.tv
46:48
get yourself a subscription
46:49
you get all of the World Raleigh Championship
46:51
and European Raleigh Championship coverage
46:53
every minute of every stage
46:56
so if you're a rally fan
46:58
that's the ultimate experience
47:00
if you're in the UK
47:01
for the European Raleigh Championship
47:04
there is a highlight program
47:06
at the end of every event
47:09
and some of the rallies
47:11
TNT Sports will pick up
47:12
the power stage as well
47:14
they normally do that
47:15
on Raleigh Carradiggian
47:17
but to get the full experience
47:18
and to watch the season
47:20
all the way through
47:21
you can get that on Raleigh TV
47:31
throughout the season
47:32
to show you the action
47:37
here on Midweek Motorsport Raleigh Report
47:45
I thought we'd give you
47:46
a little bit more of propaganda tonight
47:49
as you all seem to love it
47:53
who seem to like that piece of music
47:55
as much as Peter's excellent rally report
47:59
in a couple of weeks time
48:04
Following on from our chat
48:08
the project manager
48:13
prototype program for Ford
48:17
see that we had some Logan Sargent
48:21
from that same round table
48:24
that Rachel gave us from Ford
48:29
so let's get into that right now
48:32
great for Logan to make himself
48:36
and first we asked him about
48:39
the opportunity to drive
48:44
albeit in virtual reality
48:47
Well I've just done one sim session so far
48:50
and I feel like it went really well
48:54
it was good to see the team
48:55
was really on top of everything
48:57
we were able to run a very smooth program
49:00
there's no correlation
49:01
so you know what we're feeling
49:03
it's still a bit of an unknown
49:05
I guess you can say
49:08
and what is important
49:08
is that we're able to start
49:10
implementing all the controls
49:11
and the systems that we're going to have
49:14
both for the engineers
49:14
and for the drivers
49:17
you know tick through those things
49:18
make sure they're working
49:20
make adjustments to those things
49:22
that kind of reminds me a little bit
49:26
being able to do all those things
49:27
and those things are really cool
49:28
to be able to play with
49:30
and from a sim point of view
49:32
it was also good for myself
49:33
just to get a feel for it for
49:36
like I said I've only done one
49:39
everything's positive
49:40
and I go back for my next one
49:43
just after the first wreck race
49:46
That WAC season just around the corner then
49:50
what do you expect again
49:52
are you looking for results
49:55
for sure going into
49:57
you know what's going to be in
49:58
you know very important
50:00
next year is to learn the championship
50:05
you know understand all the rules
50:07
weird traits that every championship
50:10
has its own ways of doing things
50:13
you know more on top of that
50:14
for sure we want to get
50:17
I just had a test day in Spa
50:18
which was which was good to
50:20
to get a feel for the car
50:21
ahead of the season
50:26
Joe Marco and Stefano
50:27
get along really well
50:29
for sure the goal is to
50:30
to go out and get some good results
50:31
and learn the championship
50:33
both of your teammates are Italian
50:37
how are you getting on with the language
50:39
well it's actually not good
50:40
but it should be really good
50:42
because I lived in an Italian region
50:45
and I may know the progress
50:48
that's that's bad on me
50:50
maybe this year I'll start to learn
50:52
can we just go back to
50:53
the hypercar development for a moment
51:01
but how's things going
51:03
with the development of
51:05
things like the steering wheel
51:06
where the buttons go
51:08
and and who leads that
51:11
is it someone else in the team
51:13
you know that that's a big
51:14
I guess collaboration
51:17
you know the the drivers
51:18
that will all be in the car
51:19
you know similar to what we were
51:20
saying before the simulator
51:21
is a great opportunity to
51:23
to move those around
51:25
see what works best
51:28
see what makes everyone
51:29
the most comfortable
51:32
the buttons that you're using
51:33
the most the most accessible
51:35
so yeah I would say that's it
51:37
but this steering wheel is
51:40
something that's still work in
51:41
I haven't driven with the
51:44
I think the next session I go
51:45
and it'll be the first time
51:49
so we'll be able to
51:50
to play with it more
51:53
you are an American driver
51:56
with an iconic American brand
52:00
a tremendous history
52:05
how does that make you feel
52:07
well it's definitely nice
52:10
being around you know
52:13
I think my dad's had a Ford
52:15
since I've been born
52:16
so we've never not had one
52:19
so it's really cool to
52:21
to be a part of that
52:23
you know to to be in something
52:28
to be able to have the opportunity
52:30
to win at Le Mans with Ford
52:32
especially in the hypercar classes
52:34
is what everyone's goal is
52:36
yeah I'm gonna be pushing hard
52:37
to try and make that
52:38
make that a reality
52:39
and it's it's definitely a
52:41
huge privilege for me
52:42
as we're talking about
52:43
Le Mans there Logan
52:49
Le Mans 24 hour race
52:53
and how does it compare
52:56
with things that you've
52:57
already done in your career
52:59
where does it stand
53:01
that's your question
53:02
I mean I think it's the
53:03
the most prestigious
53:03
endurance race there is
53:05
so I'm certainly looking
53:06
forward to my first one
53:08
I had the opportunity
53:09
to drive at Le Mans
53:13
but that was before
53:15
that was just needed
53:18
that was a while ago
53:19
but I'm looking forward
53:20
I didn't do the 24 that year
53:22
I'm familiar with the track
53:23
I guess you can say
53:25
I'm looking forward to going
53:29
having a chance to win
53:30
Lot of headlines recently
53:37
we've had hybrids in
53:39
sports cars for quite some time
53:41
what are you hearing
53:42
from your colleagues
53:46
the current rule set
53:48
that you'll be taking part in
53:51
and in particular the
53:53
I suppose you'd say the
53:55
of the top level of sports cars
53:57
regarding hypercar drivability
53:59
I think everyone's been
54:02
I think what you see in F1
54:06
you know how drastic the
54:10
I guess you can call is
54:13
you're not getting it to that
54:15
touching on drivability
54:17
a little bit further
54:19
it's positive for me
54:20
I've spoken to many drivers
54:22
other teams that have
54:34
know that I get along
54:35
really well with it
54:42
is definitely beneficial
54:44
and yet regarding the hybrid
54:49
you're seeing in F1
54:51
Logan you mentioned there
54:56
hypercar experience
55:02
a driver in Mike Rottenfeller
55:17
has that been possible
55:22
Yeah I mean it's great
55:25
you know someone who's done
55:26
so much throughout their career
55:28
you can always learn a lot from
55:30
in full transparency
55:31
we've only done one sim
55:35
you know we've had a
55:36
huge amount of time to
55:42
so that's still to come
55:45
that amount of experience here
55:47
you can always learn
55:50
need a little bit of help
56:10
number of manufacturers
56:11
who've drawn rather
56:19
the Ford Mustang GT3
56:31
I think just regarding
56:32
the first part of your question
56:33
it does depend on the chassis
56:36
from what I've understood
56:38
the the Orca chassis
56:43
teams that are using
56:49
there's always something
56:50
from every car you drive
56:52
you know just kind of
57:02
is super beneficial
57:06
in the GT3 car this year
57:10
you know once I get
57:14
some sorts of characteristics
57:15
maybe I will be able to
57:17
the GT3 car experience
57:21
ahead to the start of the
57:28
in the Middle East in Bahrain
57:30
back end of last year
57:33
was the original version
57:35
there's been an upgrade
57:36
and evolution and evil
57:40
sample that as well
57:46
the two specifications
57:55
it is difficult for me to say
57:57
it was a very wet day
58:02
the car performed very well
58:04
which I was pleased with
58:05
at least that gives me
58:05
a little bit of experience
58:07
going into the year
58:08
in case there's any
58:10
which I'm sure there will be
58:14
happy to get that experience
58:16
just touching on a bit
58:19
I was very impressed with
58:21
with how good the car was
58:22
straight line braking
58:22
straight line traction
58:24
few areas to work on
58:28
struggling a little bit
58:31
I was very impressed with
58:33
the drivability of the car
58:38
and the Le Mans 24 hours
58:41
but which of the other FIA
58:43
world endurance championships
58:44
circuits that you'll be
58:48
and racing on in the Mustang
58:52
have caught your eyes
58:55
most excited to go to
58:58
That's a good question
58:59
and my answer might be surprising
59:01
now I know all the tracks
59:02
pretty well apart from Fuji
59:04
and I've done a lot of laps
59:06
on the simulator of Fuji
59:07
and it's one I've always wanted
59:09
I'm looking forward to the new one
59:10
the one I've never been to
59:12
and one that looks awesome to drive
59:14
so hopefully I enjoyed
59:16
as much as it looks
59:18
so that was really interesting
59:20
Logan Sargent again
59:21
thanks to the whole Ford
59:26
for putting that roundtable
59:29
and that's all we have time for
59:31
tonight on this rather
59:34
version of midweek motorsport
59:37
for pushing all the right
59:38
buttons and making sure
59:42
our usual correspondents
59:44
as well as John DeGeese
59:48
particularly Frederick Vervish
59:50
who is an absolute star
59:52
go and look at that video
59:54
thanks for being with us tonight
59:56
watch Nick and Joe at the weekend
59:58
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00:02
for that on Saturday morning
00:04
we started quarter past
00:08
for the live feed on that
00:09
and we'll be back live
00:12
after the prologue on Tuesday
00:15
and building up to the first round
00:19
world endurance championships
00:22
and that is next week's show
00:25
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00:28
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