Moron Nation Unfiltered Ep. 13: No Participation Trophies
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Car
Rolls-Royce Phantom
The Rolls-Royce Phantom is a very expensive luxury car. It’s designed to be comfortable and quiet, with a focus on high-end features. The podcast mentions it as part of a conversation, likely because it’s a notable luxury vehicle.
Term
blower
A “blower” is a device that forces extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, but it often requires tuning so the engine runs safely.
Term
run 530 every pass
In drag racing, “run 530” usually means the car’s time is about 5.30 seconds for the run. The point is that it can do it again and again, not just once.
Car
Mustang Fox Body
A “Fox body” is an older Ford Mustang (from the late ’70s to early ’90s). Putting a “Coyote” engine in it means swapping in a newer, stronger Ford V8, which is a common way to make an old Mustang much faster.
Term
twin turbo coyote
“Twin turbo” means there are two turbochargers helping the engine make more power. With a “Coyote” engine, that combo is often used to build a Mustang that can run very fast, especially for drag racing.
Term
nitrous
Nitrous is a system that adds a special gas to the engine to make it produce more power quickly. Drag racers use it because it can give a big boost for a short run.
Car
Chevrolet Nova
The Chevrolet Nova is an older American car that many people modify for racing. Nitrous is a system that adds extra power for short bursts. The podcast is talking about using nitrous on a Nova to make it faster.
Term
piston
A piston is a metal part inside the engine that moves up and down in a cylinder. It helps turn fuel into power, and replacing one usually means the old one was worn out or damaged.
Term
rings
Rings are small metal bands on the piston that help seal the cylinder. If they’re worn, the engine can lose compression and may burn or leak oil, so replacing them can bring the engine back to health.
Concept
small tire racing
“Small tire racing” means using narrower tires than most race cars. That affects how much grip you get and how the car launches and handles, so it changes the whole race strategy.
Concept
Cherry picking races
“Cherry picking races” means picking the races you think you’ll do well in, and skipping the harder ones. It’s usually said as a complaint that someone isn’t facing the toughest competition.
Topic
Armageddon
They’re talking about a specific race event called “Armageddon.” It’s where they tried to run the car, but it still wasn’t ready.
Term
two tenths
In racing, “two tenths” usually means 0.2 seconds faster or slower. That’s a big deal in drag racing because small time gaps add up fast.
Term
teens, teens or O's
They’re talking about how fast the car should be in seconds, like running in the 10s or 11s. The “O’s” is just their quick way of saying the 10-second range.
Term
suspension
Suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the tires stay in contact with the road. Tuning it can make the car handle better and feel more stable.
Term
rear
“Rear” means how the back tires and back end of the car behave. If the rear doesn’t act the way the driver wants, the car can feel hard to control in turns.
Term
radial shocks
Shocks are the parts that control how the car moves over bumps. “Radial shocks” is a specific shock design, and it can change how well the car sticks to the road and feels in handling.
Term
slit shocks
Shocks control how the car settles after hitting bumps. “Slit shocks” sounds like a shock design detail that changes how the fluid moves inside, which can change the car’s ride and grip.
Term
four link
A “four link” is a type of rear suspension that uses four arms to hold the back axle in the right place. Because it controls how the rear end moves, it can change how the car hooks up and launches consistently.
Car
Pontiac Firebird
The Pontiac Firebird is a classic American muscle car. The podcast mentions someone having a Firebird and then switching to a red car, suggesting it was part of a comparison or sequence. It’s brought up because it’s one of the cars in the story.
Term
true slick
A “slick” is a special drag-racing tire with no tread. It’s made to grip hard for launches, and “true slick” usually means it’s the real drag-race type, not a normal street tire.
Car
Chrysler 300
The Chrysler 300 is a big sedan made by Chrysler. The episode mentions it “until a fan pulls up,” which usually means the cooling fan turns on and you can hear or notice it. That’s a common thing people talk about when describing how a car behaves.
Term
kick the tires
“Kick the tires” means you go look at the car yourself—usually by checking how it looks and feels—before you buy it. It’s a quick way to judge condition.
Term
transmission broke
The transmission is the part that helps the engine’s power reach the wheels in the right gear. If it breaks, the car can behave unpredictably and the engine may end up doing something it shouldn’t.
Term
wide open throttle
Wide open throttle means the gas pedal is basically all the way down. That tells the engine to pull in as much air as possible, so it revs hard—something that can be dangerous if the car is already damaged.
Term
hung the rods out of it
That phrase is basically saying the engine suffered a catastrophic failure inside. The connecting rods can break and damage the engine block, usually meaning the engine is ruined.
Term
converter
The converter is the automatic-transmission part that transfers power from the engine to the rest of the drivetrain. If it comes loose or fails, the car may not move correctly.
Term
flex plate
A flex plate is a metal part that connects the engine to an automatic transmission. It helps the engine’s spinning motion turn smoothly into the transmission’s motion.
Term
carbon pads
Carbon pads are special brake pads made from carbon-based material. They’re used on performance cars because they can keep braking power when the brakes get very hot.
Term
carbon brakes
Carbon brakes are high-performance brakes that use carbon material to stop the car. They’re designed to work best when the brakes are hot, like in racing.
Place
Bowling Green
Bowling Green is a racing location. The hosts are using it to talk about a specific moment where a turbo car performed (or misbehaved) during a run.
Term
turbo car
A “turbo car” has a turbocharger that helps the engine make more power. The speaker is saying turbo cars can sometimes be less predictable—great when they’re right, but not always consistent.
Term
beams
In drag racing, “beams” are the timing lights that record your run. Going through them sideways means the car wasn’t tracking straight when it hit the timing point.
Term
big end
“Big end” means the end of the drag strip where cars are going fastest. The speaker is saying the pass happened near that high-speed zone.
Term
turbos
A turbocharger is a device that uses the engine’s exhaust to spin a turbine. It pushes more air into the engine, which helps the engine make more power.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Corvette is a sports car made by Chevrolet that’s built for fast driving. It has a shorter wheelbase and the engine sits farther back than in many cars, which changes how it drives. That’s why it can feel different in turns and at speed.
Term
short wheelbase
Wheelbase is the distance between the front and rear wheels. A short wheelbase can make a car feel quicker to turn, but it can also make it harder to keep stable when you’re going very fast.
Term
motor's way back there
That phrase means the engine is located farther toward the middle or rear of the car. Where the engine sits changes how the car’s weight is balanced, which affects grip and control.
Car
Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger is a larger sedan that can be built for high performance. A “pro charger” is a device that forces more air into the engine to make it produce more power. People talk about it because it changes how strong the car feels.
Term
bracket racer
Bracket racing is a drag-racing style where you pick a target time before the run. Your goal is to be as close as possible to that time, so consistency matters as much as outright speed.
Term
billet block
A billet block is a stronger engine block made by cutting it out of a solid metal chunk. Drag racers use them when they’re pushing the engine hard and need it to survive higher stress.
Term
LS guy
An “LS guy” means the person prefers GM’s LS V8 engines. Those engines are popular because there are lots of parts available and they’re known for making strong power when built.
Term
Hemi guys
“Hemi guys” means people who run Chrysler’s HEMI V8 engines. The HEMI is a famous engine design, and in racing talk it often comes up when comparing which cars should compete in which classes.
Term
1,900 pound car
They’re talking about how much the car weighs. In drag racing, lighter cars usually accelerate differently and can put less load on the tires than heavier ones, which changes how well they hook up.
Term
cast
“Cast” parts are made by pouring melted metal into a mold. It’s a common manufacturing method, and in racing discussions it’s often contrasted with billet parts.
Term
big block
A “big block” is a bigger V8 engine than the small-block style. People use it in racing because it can make a lot of power, especially with the right parts.
Term
pro charger
A “Pro charger” is a supercharger—an add-on that forces extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, which is why it’s common in racing builds.
Term
LS cars
“LS” is a GM V8 engine family that many people swap into cars. When someone says “LS cars,” they mean cars powered by that GM LS engine.
Term
small tire class
A “small tire class” is a race category where the rules limit tire size. Smaller tires usually mean less grip, which helps keep cars more evenly matched.
Concept
participation trophies
“Participation trophies” are awards given just for taking part, not for winning. Here, the host is criticizing the idea of making racing classes so that more people get trophies even if they’re not the fastest.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a sports car that’s known for performance and a classic look. An “86 Mustang” refers to a specific model year from the mid-1980s. It’s often discussed because it’s a common car to modify or race.
Term
himmys
“Himmys” is slang for Chrysler’s HEMI V8 engines. The HEMI is known for being a high-performance engine that can make a lot of power.
Term
light
“Light” here means the car weighs less. A lighter car usually speeds up faster and feels easier to control.
Term
pro mod
“Pro mod” is a drag-racing category for cars that are heavily modified for maximum speed. It usually means the engine and drivetrain are built to handle a lot more abuse than a street setup.
Term
small tire himmy
In drag racing, “small tire” usually means using narrower tires for a particular class or traction setup. That changes how the car hooks up and can affect how hard the engine has to work.
Term
still rods
“Rods” are part of the engine that connect the pistons to the crankshaft. They’re talking about using stronger aftermarket rods so the engine can survive harder racing without replacing parts every few runs.
Term
every 25 passes
“Every 25 passes” means they were rebuilding or replacing engine parts after only a small number of drag runs. That’s common when the engine is pushed very hard for racing.
Term
small tire car
A “small tire car” means the drag car is running narrower tires than the biggest-grip setups. That can change how the car hooks up and can make tires wear out faster, which drives up costs.
Term
crank
“Crank” means the crankshaft, which is a key rotating part inside the engine. If the car is making a lot of power and launching hard, the crank can also be something teams monitor and replace.
Term
set of tires
A “set of tires” means the whole tire package you buy for the car. In drag racing, tires can wear out fast, so the cost per set matters a lot.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a performance car, usually a two-door coupe, designed for driving fast. The episode mentions someone’s Camaro that has been serviced poorly, which can lead to problems later. It’s basically a story about maintenance and repairs.
Car
Hemi
“Hemi” usually means a powerful V8 engine design from Chrysler. It’s a well-known performance engine name that racers and muscle-car fans recognize.
Car
Chevrolet Chevelle
The Chevrolet Chevelle is an older American car that’s known for a classic muscle-car look. In the episode, it’s mentioned because someone thought a car was a Chevelle based on how it looks. It’s basically about identifying the car by its shape.
LIVE
I look at, am I looking at you?
Like nine out of 10 times I'm looking at you, right?
And we're just talking.
Yeah.
Is that what it is?
And then the podcast is just, I'm not like,
like if you want to drive a point across,
look at the camera, but most of the time,
yeah, it's just conversation.
That's why we did this table what we did this way.
Cause you're all facing, the table was like this,
and you're all facing this way,
it'd be awkward cause y'all just doing this.
That's why we did it like this.
So that's awkward how he's sitting?
No, not at all.
I'm saying if the table was like this,
and y'all talking to each other while the table
is facing this way, it'd be weird rather than y'all
just like this talking to each other.
Okay.
You both.
Come on.
Come on.
You know I can't, there's no way I could just sit
in one spot.
We need to get the booms and attach it to his chair.
Like this.
To where I, doesn't matter what.
You know, and then it always get it.
Yup.
Yup.
So, huh?
Who's that?
Come sit down, honey.
Got something Phantom wants to ask you.
We're not actually dealing yet.
What do you got, poop first?
Come sit in your chair.
We're gonna do like a 30, 45 minute podcast first.
All of it.
Yeah.
How's your video doing?
Is it?
What is it?
Every time I ask you that, you say 3 of 10.
Or whatever.
It's not.
It's not.
If she tells me, it's good.
It's terrible.
It always tanks.
So this morning I was like, how's the video?
Yeah, it's good.
And I was like, fuck.
Yup.
So 56
Hopefully we're gonna add another one of these
next to this one.
Are we doing this?
Are we?
We are.
Are we live?
Or are we just everybody?
All right.
Episode 13, moral nation unfiltered.
This is 13 already.
13, man.
Lucky number 13.
The last one was 12 and one before that was 11.
It's crazy.
We started this 13 weeks ago.
Yeah.
13 long weeks ago.
13 long weeks ago.
We started this podcast.
Yup.
So we made it to lucky number 13.
How many of the chief and Sean show get to
before we got cut off?
40 something.
Was there 40 something?
Oh, was it?
I can't remember.
Was it?
It was a lot.
There was that one final one though.
Yeah.
And then after that, it was still funny.
And I still,
they're funny.
I still agree with all that.
Yeah.
That we said,
we listened to how many on that one road trip.
Yeah, I did.
Oh yeah.
Pain will come home and be like,
like he falls asleep to the chief and Sean show.
I've always liked pain.
Yeah.
I've always liked him as good kid.
Well, he just like real solid dude because you guys,
you just talk about me and now I get to go back and listen
to it because it's on YouTube.
I probably should listen to him too.
There's lots of stuff that happens that there's so many
people in,
you can go ahead and finish the,
the intro.
I don't know.
We're done.
Then episode 13.
There's so many people that are always like,
Hey man,
remember this and they tell me this long story.
And I'm like, man, that sounds awesome.
I don't remember it though.
Yeah.
It's a lot happened since then.
Well, I think that at this point and I have so much,
man, I don't know, man,
I've never really told anybody, look,
I have OCD because man, I don't know.
Everybody knows.
Well, everybody has it.
Yeah.
Everybody gets off track every once in a while,
you know,
which I seem to do it a lot, you know,
like even look how he had to sweep all this up
before we did this episode.
So couldn't crunch any more bugs in here.
Was yours last one?
Y'all ever filmed the one where y'all are talking in the shop?
Like there's one called episode 50 and y'all,
he didn't hear what I just said about how I don't remember nothing.
Y'all are standing in the shop and it's called episode 50.
No, that's just a thumbnail they chose.
Okay.
Well, then episode 49 y'all talked about SEMA 2017.
Huh.
2017.
But episode one is called episode one take three.
And it was 29 minutes.
So there's, there's so much stuff.
And I even have buddies.
I was on the float at my 30 year reunion, you know,
30 and people are talking about,
Hey man, remember this and this.
And I'm going, man, it sounds really cool, man,
but no, I don't remember it.
And I feel like at my age,
if something comes in, there's something that's going out.
Yup.
And I don't remember all that stuff.
It's, it's, it's weird because I feel like I've lived more than one life.
Oh yeah.
Like obviously, man.
I've lived with a couple.
Yeah.
And I've, and maybe everybody feels like that.
I don't really know, but I feel like,
I feel like I had my, my high school years,
which they're gone.
They're gone.
I don't.
Three decades ago.
Yeah.
I don't.
Damn.
30 years ago.
I don't, I don't remember those.
And then after that, I moved to,
actually, I went to college first.
I went to college and played two years of baseball.
Actually a year and a half until I got arrested and thrown out.
That was another life, different,
a whole new set of friends, a bunch of different buddies.
Some people that I still stay in touch with,
I still stay in touch with some people from high school.
I still stay in touch with some people that I went to college with.
And then after that, I moved to Lawton with Richie,
slept on his couch, ate all of his cheese and all that.
Real solid individual.
Didn't do anything good.
Real productive person in society.
Zero.
Like there for, there had to have been a gap there.
Like nobody even could tell by the paperwork that I even existed.
Yeah.
Like you weren't violent.
Yeah.
I did have a job at Walmart for a little bit of time.
Yeah.
I worked at Walmart for a while.
I didn't do a whole lot, man.
You didn't excel?
No.
No, you weren't the assistant manager?
No, but I was lucky too.
And I even got the job that I wanted in electronics.
Except I can watch TV and you know,
bullshit my way through, you know, kind of like I have done life.
So then that's all different friends.
And it's crazy because did I introduce you to that guy at Tulsa that came up to me?
His name was Rogie.
No.
Okay.
So he came up to me.
I would remember Rogie for sure.
Well, his name was Rogie.
His last name was Rogie.
We called him Rogie.
And he walked up to me and I looked at him and I was, hey, how you doing, man?
I talked to him just like I did anybody else.
And he goes, you don't remember me, do you?
And I looked at him and I was like, holy shit, man, I do remember you, you know?
Yeah.
And turns out he's not in Lawton anymore, but he lives up close to there.
And he's like, man, I follow everything that you do.
And you know, I was like, dude, that's cool.
And I was in a car club with him.
Oh, nice.
With your back dodge or what?
With my back dodge.
Yeah.
You don't even, how many times have I told you something's cool and you act like it's
not, and then you see it?
Everything that you tell me is not cool that I want to do, you used to do back in the
day.
You had tenant windows.
Everybody young does that.
Uh-huh.
But you won't let me do it.
What else?
And then you said, well, I won't, it was bad.
But for my first truck, I wanted that third gen dodge or whatever.
Remember that?
Those are horrible.
Yeah.
And then you were like, dodge are terrible.
They are terrible.
I had a dodge because that was what I, it was what my brother had that I could get from
me.
Speaking of, how about that guy that we saw, honey, literally we see this guy.
Yeah.
He had to roll down his windows to change.
So he's got a, was he pulling a boat too, right?
He's pulling a boat and I see his window go down and I see him do this right here.
His blinker comes on and he changes lanes and then his window goes back up and I said,
look, look, honey, he's old and his windows are still dark and he hasn't, he just hasn't
got there yet to go and yeah, he has not accepted it yet.
Hey, and then we watched him do it two more times before we split ways.
Does Ryan have 10 on any of his cars?
I don't even, I haven't looked at any of his like dailies.
What are you getting at?
I'm just, I'm just wondering if Ryan has accepted it yet.
Ryan hasn't accepted any of, any of him being old.
He literally told me on the phone earlier, man, me and you were pretty much the same.
You're just the older version.
He literally told me that on the phone or that I was like, look, I hear it from Aiden
anyway, you know, so.
He has started wearing his glasses though.
Yeah, he wears them.
Yeah.
He doesn't try to hide that anymore.
Hey, but you know, you know, it goes.
Oh yeah.
So that's like three lives, you know, and I'm telling you right now, the stuff that
we did in Lawton was, it was no good, man.
Yeah.
And I was after I got.
There's still nothing good goes on in Lawton.
And I was after I got thrown in jail and, and got in all that trouble up at Gaiman.
Yeah.
So then after Lawton, I moved back to Sarah and started a power line company and then
that's a whole nother life.
That's a whole nother life.
Yeah.
And then I was just on the road nonstop.
And then how many years did I do power line before I met you?
Okay.
Of my own business for 18 months before I knew you.
Okay.
Well, that means I had worked in the power line company for, I don't know, 34
345 years.
No, because you were moving from Lawton to our house with the chili pepper ceiling.
Yeah.
That's a good house.
Aaron hated it.
I love that house is off a 10th.
Yeah.
I love that house because the whole backyard was all concrete.
Oh, you had there.
No, you'd have to mow nothing.
Nice.
And I had two roommates.
Yeah.
And you met the lawyer life.
And we also had plenty of time to do things.
So that was a big difference between now.
Yeah.
We used to all, we all had crotch rockets in, you know.
So yes, that was a different life, you know, and then I met her.
So there's another life.
And then the street outlaws came and then there's another not life, which, you know,
the whole, the whole race car thing.
That's all kind of runs together, you know, but most of the people run around in the same
circles most of their lives.
My circles are completely different.
Yeah.
I know.
Same.
I mean, I don't, I don't really talk.
Tyler's the only person that I still talk to from 20 years ago.
He kills me.
Yeah.
Every mile's off you on the internet.
All makes me laugh.
20 years ago, I wouldn't let you check the air in your own tires.
Things like that.
That kills me, dude.
Fair enough.
But yeah, I mean, there's high school.
There's, there was after high school, I had a couple of different jobs that were completely
different lives.
And then now, you know, like it definitely happens quick.
I don't know.
I just, I forget everything.
But anyways, yeah, no, we listened to a bunch of the chief and Sean episodes.
I know.
Which takes me back to, I need to listen to some of them just to remember some of the
stuff.
There's, I have two favorites.
One of them is the road trip to whenever y'all took Steve Jobs.
Oh yeah.
We listened to that one.
There's nothing good in that one.
I remember that.
And then the other one is when chief one at Bristol, that's my one of my favorite ones.
That's a good one.
Whenever he beat kind or whatever.
Oh my, that's, it's a cool story.
Or whenever, whenever y'all had to get, what were they, uh, rear end?
Oh, the bearings.
The bearings.
Yeah.
And he goes, my man's here got us too.
Cause you know, cause after the first pass, I'll change the bearing.
It did it again.
Yeah.
And then, yeah.
And then they pulled the one out of your car, turns out your Willie bars were messed
up the whole time.
Cause chief's car went straight.
He said he's not using your Willie bars, your junk ass Willie bars.
And so he put his on there and it went straight.
We definitely changed that rear end out and his car went out there and made a,
made a lick.
Yeah.
So for a couple of idiots to go out there and do that, you know.
And then after that pass, what was it?
He heard his motor.
Cause they blew the motor up in the golf car.
He had, he had, he had monkey working on the door cause the door kicked off.
He had Jeff Weldon, something else.
He had Jackie checking everything.
He was just.
McDougal was pound bearings and what?
Jackie was around when we did.
Yeah.
He said Jackie was looking over the data and saw something was upset.
I forgot what it was.
And then, uh,
I don't even know who he was.
She didn't see nothing in the data.
Okay.
Well, and then, uh, who was it?
It was the guy who has get some.
Oh, Russell.
Holy shit.
Golly.
I forgot about get some.
Get some was cool, man.
He said because he's got get some.
How did he end up in Bristol, Tennessee?
Well, cause he came with McDougal.
Oh, okay.
Him and McDougal, you know, used to I-35 guys.
That's exactly what y'all said.
Yeah.
He's to I-35.
I bet nobody remembers.
That was the same year also.
Monkey had his truck there and some drunk dude crawled in the back and passed out.
Monkey don't play that shit.
No.
No.
Not McDougal.
McDougal would have let him sleep it off.
Yeah.
Not monkey.
Monkey, you got to go, man.
Yeah.
It was a bad deal.
He was talking about how monkey grew this luscious beard in between like two weeks or something
like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, there were some good ones.
There were some good times.
There was a lot of bad times too, though.
Yeah.
And then episode three is not on there anymore.
You can find it.
It's re-uploaded, but I still don't think that anything that we said was bad.
Episode three was Mons.
Okay.
Yeah.
That was Mons.
And then y'all had Mons on.
It was all love.
Yeah.
You know, like, yeah, we was laughing about it, but you know, it was still all love.
It was funny.
Like every time you laugh about something, somebody is on the other side of that joke.
You know.
And it was his family.
And his family was upset with us.
You know, hey, here's what it is.
And it was his family.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
No, I get it.
Back then.
Yeah.
But his storytelling was better than anything.
It was.
And Mons on a plane is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
And when he starts laughing, when, when, when he gets to where, when he starts giggling
and he can't stop, it's the funniest thing ever.
That's the greatest thing.
But yeah, no, they're all funny.
I do miss, I do miss stuff like that.
Like everybody always thought that we were all the best of friends.
We weren't, you know, we were car friends, but times like that right there.
It doesn't, that doesn't mean that I don't like those people.
Yeah.
You know, like I don't go eat dinner with Mons.
A doc like Dom, you know, I still love them guys.
You know, they were, they were car friends that became more because we hung out with them
for so many years.
Yeah.
So, you know, obviously you miss those times.
I, I still want and I still believe that we will do some sort of tour with all of them
again at some point.
Now it may be in the 55, you know, shop truck.
Yeah.
Doc's Money Carlo.
Doc's Money Carlo, Mons' Grand Prix.
Yeah.
Grand Prix.
Dom's Coop.
Dom's Coop, whatever that yellow Coop is.
He's got a blower on that deal now.
Oh really?
Yeah.
So, and I feel bad because I told Doc that I would come to at least one of his races
this year and we're so busy up that, man, poor guy, man, he's even quit asking me.
I mean, at some point you kind of got to.
I know.
I know.
So, I don't know.
It's crazy how you move on, you know.
Well, it's not like.
You can't just stop.
We don't want to leave them guys behind, but you know, hell, Chuck has one of the best
530 cars out there.
That thing will run 530 every pass, little Fox body with a coyote in it.
I mean, twin turbo coyote, Fox body.
He could dial that thing into 480s if he wants and run clock like clockwork.
So, hopefully Chuck will come out with us at some point, but he's got some things he's
got to figure out for himself.
A lot of the guys do, you know, like we knew that a lot of the guys wouldn't be able to
sustain racing and spending the money, the kind of money that we were spending and hell,
let's be honest, we can't either.
Yeah.
I mean, if it wasn't for some from key sponsors like Ram Jack and power and that's beside
the point.
We wouldn't even be close to it if we didn't have what 4, 5 key sponsors.
Yep.
They know who they are.
You know, I don't want to leave anybody out just in case which 4 or 5 key people, I guarantee
I can name them all off the top of my head, but it's without those guys, you know, even
Keith, you know, without Keith.
Oh yeah.
I know this guy wouldn't be sitting here.
This guy wouldn't be sitting here and let's say let us run nitrous on the Nova.
Yeah.
That's just more money though.
Uh huh.
So that's, uh, that's the only difference.
Otherwise we'd be strictly racing things like the 55 right now.
Yep.
Now it's a, a whole nother level to run competitively and stuff like it is.
And I'm going to be honest, as I get older, I don't want to run it if we can't be competitive.
Well, there's no, it costs the same money just to show up as it does to show up and be competitive.
Once we started winning an MPK, something changed in my head and you, and I believe
that me and Ryan had this conversation at some point, but winning is not the money
that you get from winning.
Obviously you can never count on that.
That's like saying, Hey, I'm going to make this much off of t-shirts and putting it in
the bank already because it never happens.
Nope.
You know, never happens.
So you, you can't, that's not money that you can bank on, especially when somebody
says, Hey, how much to get you to my track?
You're going to make 20 grand on merch.
Come on, man.
Stop it.
Yeah.
You know, a lot of those promises though, a lot of those promises.
Or last time there was a street outlaw guy here.
He made this much on merch, you know, come on, man.
Well, he lied to you as different times, you know, obviously, and the economies are different,
you know, so lots, lots of variations in there.
But just, uh, wanting to win is way more now than it ever has been.
And, and when we started winning MPK, you start realizing you put together,
obviously guys hate that if anybody doesn't know this, I'm going to go ahead and burst
your bubble here, but most of the time we split stuff.
So when, when you saw me holding a $40,000 checkup, that doesn't mean I got $40,000.
Most of the time I got 20 or 25, but it wasn't 40 every time.
No.
Like, but you could sit and go, are you on five races, five times fours?
Do you want $200,000?
No, we didn't.
But I'll tell you what we did win and it helped, you know, like the, the winnings,
man, they go a long ways into fixing all the stuff that you tear up.
Because when you don't win, you still got to fix all that stuff.
You still broke everything that you got, but you got no, you got nothing to fix it
if you didn't win.
That's right.
That's right.
So honestly, we don't have the bank account.
If we tear something up bad, we don't have the bank account to fix it.
No.
That's never a good spot.
We're not going to quit though.
Like, and that's not going to change how we run our program.
No.
One day we may just go, well, that's it guys.
I mean, we can't afford to fix this thing.
I mean, there's, there's always that possibility.
Like it's always just, you know, one hole in the block away, one, you know, one injector
dying, like any, like there's just a number of things.
Like you've always said, there's thousand things that can go wrong or, you know, one
thing can go wrong.
You got to do a hundred things, right?
Go out there and win whatever.
But yeah, I don't know.
I just want to keep winning though.
Like whatever we're doing, I just want to keep winning.
If we're not, we're, we're, you're never going to see us go to a race guys with any
of our, and I'm going to call them big cars.
My bad.
That's me.
No, that's me.
We're never going to go with any of our big cars.
And when I say big cars guys, that's anything that I own that has a himmy in it.
We're never going to take one of those cars to a race and not be there to win.
Why go?
You can't.
Why go?
Like we show up when and that door drops, we plan on winning.
We're going to do everything in our power to end up in the winner circle.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's just all there is to it.
I mean, there, there's been a lot of thought that's went into running this whole program.
There's a lot of time and effort before we even get to the track to, to make sure that
we're ready to go out there and basically stretch the dollar.
We fixed blue this morning.
Got it all loaded up.
It's in the trailer right now.
We're rolling out tonight.
Yes.
So, uh, we are rolling out tonight.
We're headed to the next Midwest drag racing series race at Martin, Michigan, US 131 for
the shakedown at M town.
Um, what's crazy is Ryan is there already and he's sending me pictures of our spot.
Yeah.
Is it good?
He's lit.
I don't know.
I haven't looked at it yet.
Hang on a second.
He's literally at the track right now guys and we're sitting here doing a podcast before
we leave.
Yes.
This is Tuesday.
You know, right on schedule.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's part of the reason we didn't, we didn't show up to shady side.
Well, we didn't have any time to test when you run as many cars as we do.
And we've obviously stole the motor out of the OG.
I think I've explained this before, but the motor out of the OG is in the MPK car, formerly
formerly MPK car.
Now NHRA car, the motor from the formerly MPK car.
Now the NHRA car is in blue.
Yes.
Number 1268.
You know.
Flip-flop.
However, you know, however you want to put it, yes, yes, however you want to put it,
but we did get blues motor today.
We did.
We went, they shipped it in a pallet as big as this room, it seemed like.
Yeah.
That's pretty big.
So when we get home, we're not going to change it out right now because obviously guys, if
Ryan and everybody is already at the track, it is six o'clock Tuesday night.
Mm hmm.
We are trying to get on the road.
We did fix the big smoke show.
It got a new piston.
Yep.
It got a new piston and it got new rings in that one hole.
So we fired it up, shoved it in the trailer.
So which we can talk about Chadi side considering it would have been nice to be there guys.
And don't get me wrong.
Every time I see those guys run, I watched every, you know, as much as they showed as
much as actually happened.
Yeah.
Uh, I watched it all.
I, you guys know, I am a fan of small tire racing.
I do love to small tire race and I do love to race the OG.
Like I said, when that door drops, we plan on winning.
It's hard to just show up to show up like that's, that's not fun to me.
We did not show up, but for the record, there is a difference in being scared to race cars.
Cherry picking races.
You can call it whatever you want.
We're not doing that.
Like it's not like we are taking that car to another race, but not showing up where
all the fast cars are.
Do people do that?
Oh yeah.
I've seen a lot of people do it.
So and, and whatever, you know, get in where you fit in.
We've said that in the past.
Uh, we 100% want to be at the baddest race whenever we race that car.
That car's just not ready.
We're not there yet.
We race that thing.
The last time we raced that was a year and a half ago.
Was it a year and a half ago?
A year and a half ago.
A year and a half.
God, that hurts to say, man.
Oh no.
We raced at Armageddon too.
Oh yeah.
We did.
So not quite a year.
I was thinking of Florida originally.
Honestly, it wasn't ready for our Armageddon either.
No.
So everybody else has picked up two tenths since we have raced that car.
Minimum.
Well, and if you talk about nitrous with nitrous, then even more.
Y'all shut up without nitrous.
You think we won't pick up that much with nitrous too?
We will.
But we need to be running teens, teens or O's with no nitrous.
We need to be able to go teens anywhere and, and O's when the track gets good and three
nineties in the final round.
Yep.
On a good track.
And we have not been able to test.
We need to sit at the track for two to three days with that car and bring some rods with
us and do at least one rod change while testing.
That's what, that's what needs to happen to get that car where it needs to be in my opinion.
Now somebody else's opinion, like Brandon, it may not take that much.
We have changed some stuff too.
I still feel like there's, we're missing something in the suspension and maybe it was
the shocks that Chris Bill just fixed, but Brandon's never been happy with the way that
car acts in the rear.
Just doesn't do what he wants.
Well, to be honest, guys, we never had radial shocks or.
They were, they were big.
Slit shocks.
Yeah.
We had happy medium where they work okay on either combination, but not good with either.
No.
Not enough to go out there and, and run up top where we just, that's just where we want
to run.
But as far as the suspension goes, I don't know, man, like I, I think that we're still
really close and I know all cars are different, but ours are still really close to what Ryan's
is and some of the other small tire guys, but it's way slower.
That's the problem and it just doesn't, it doesn't act right.
Our cars way slower.
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Which we haven't got there yet.
Yeah.
But when Ryan got the fireball out, he set that four link up exactly the same as what
he did.
Yeah.
His red car.
Yeah.
And Ryan only did that.
It just worked.
I mean, not that one weekend, but I mean, right?
I mean, he had, he had a firebird.
He took out the red car.
He took the red car out and ran a couple test days.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A couple test days and the first car ever in the threes and went three on a full on
a true slick.
Yeah.
Like I said, maybe it was just all the shocks, but we've been about in every hole on that
four link has done the same thing every pass.
So well, and he didn't like it on radio either.
So and that's totally different setup.
Yeah.
So in fact, are we still set up for a radio right now?
We're not.
Oh yeah.
We, we raced at alarm again since then, right?
Yeah.
We, yeah.
Since we caught flight.
That was cool.
It was not cool.
Not me.
It was cool to watch.
There's wasn't there.
Yeah.
No, you took flight after we raced it on small tires.
Uh, yeah.
And then it went after we caught flight, it went back to DMC, Dennis got it all lined
out again, and then we had him set it up for slicks.
The same way that it was before he got it on the house, all that shit runs together.
It does.
Everything runs together.
That's why you're good at keeping notes.
Yeah.
Small tire races are so cool though.
Small tire races are cool, man.
And there were some very, very fast looking passes that got laid down.
It was, it's just tough to tell who's running the fastest from watching it on TV.
I can tell you who looked like they made good licks, you know, but it means a lot when
the car next to you is fast also.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it's different watching somebody that you, you know, it kind of looks like
they made a good pass, but then you don't know what the person sitting next to them
with, you know, who they are, what run, anything like that.
Now, I know by looking at Ryan's pass that he made against the stude, the stude, that
that thing had to have been fast because the stude is never, I mean, it's never slow.
You're saying exactly what I was going to say.
You show up to a random, not a random small tire race, but, you know, a decent small
tire race.
The stude's one of the fastest cars out there.
Like down in Yellow Belly, he was one of the fastest cars out there.
Then you put Ryan's car next to it.
Yeah.
It's like a Chrysler 300 until a fan pulls up.
Ryan, Ryan, put space on him, you know, it was a good lick, but that just goes to show
you that he, he wasn't underestimating him.
Yeah.
I mean, you can't.
No, you can't.
You can't anybody out there, you know, I'll tell you what, what's the girl's name?
Shelby.
Yeah.
That car, that car looked good.
It's a little zip tie car in it.
I don't know.
Is it?
It's not the Humminbird.
It's a, that's a 66 or 67 Humminbird was a 63 to 65.
It's just painted the same color that Humminbird was.
Man.
Yeah.
You're right.
But wasn't she trying to sell that car?
The older, the Humminbird, they were.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bumblebee looked pretty quick from what I seen at both passes.
I seen it.
Kick the tires.
Um, yeah, it did.
It looked pretty fast that first round.
And then I heard that he was telling people to win.
I was thinking of the other one.
Oh yeah.
No, he kicked the tires, both passes.
So, uh, Larson's shit looked really fast.
Yeah.
Who did he make a pass again?
Oh, Kyle Canyon.
I, I, I'd have lost a bunch of money.
Oh yeah.
No.
Hey, I had to put money that Kyle was going to outrun Kyle also.
Yeah.
Did you see Kai's car kick sideways?
I did.
He almost crashed it.
He did.
Hey, that was a good save.
No, no.
Kai's a driver.
Yeah.
I've, negative, good, bad, anything I've ever said about Kai, I've never taken away
the fact that he's a driver.
Like from start to finish, Kai is a driver.
Oh yeah.
Like he's going to cut a light.
He's going to drive it.
He's going to, he's to take it too far, just like we do.
Like he is a street racer and he will, he'll force that car down through there.
That's what he does.
Yeah.
That's a cool car.
So that's, that's, that's just what he does and Kai's very good at it.
Yep.
It was like, it happened quick.
Yeah, I did.
Hey, the shoots came out quick, which honestly, shoot might have should have already been
coming out anyways, and they may have been, but regardless of that fact, yeah, he did
good.
Yeah.
Driving it.
So, uh, but the one crash, my God, dude, hey, that's brutal.
There was a lot that happened on that pass.
Yeah.
So yeah, that crash was bad and whoever built that cage, like, good job, good job.
But then you realized there was shit happening to Andy's car also will be over there.
Just fire.
Did you see those pictures that I showed you?
Like his transmission broke somehow, landed on his foot, made it go wide open throttle
until that he hung the rods out of it and it shut off.
Luckily though, the transmission was broke.
Yeah.
So, and I'm just saying, hopefully, like the pictures that I saw, it
looked like there's no way that that engine was still putting power to the ground.
The converter had to have already came out.
Yeah.
I mean, the flex plate was off.
Like it was part of the transmission.
So, oh, okay.
So the converter didn't stay with the motor, the flex plate and back of the crank came
off with the had to have broke the flex plate bolts off of the crank or something, maybe.
I don't know, but the transmission is literally laid over sideways.
Well, it's a good thing because that isn't, it didn't look like it was a long track.
Anyways, so if that would have hung open, shoots and brakes wouldn't have stopped that
car.
No.
No, he had if it's not in the amount of and not in the lot of the amount of time that
he had.
No.
So I need to burn right through them carbon pads.
Yeah.
It's got carbon brakes on it.
Yeah.
All that stuff.
Yeah.
So, I mean, the best best case scenario you can do in that is have a big red button like
blue has.
You know, just reach up and shut her off.
The password talk about a bumblebee, that that car is bumblebee, right?
Which one?
Yes.
Okay.
The one we were talking about the first round pass was against Memphis Reigns, who was
also a really fast car at the most track.
I figured that that would be a lot better race than what it was.
It really was.
It was pretty close.
I mean, there's probably a car, probably.
I know a car is a lot in this racing, but even Memphis Reigns had a really good, he
went fully off, off into the grass and he saved it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It looks like he was trying to dodge Jimmy Dale because Jimmy Dale was making his way
to the center.
Yeah.
And he looked like he ripped it over into the grass.
Did you watch that one?
I saw the race.
Yeah.
I didn't see what happened at the big end, but it was, I know you can't see it, but
he's off.
Oh.
Yeah.
I mean, he ripped it over there.
Whatever.
Wow.
He brought it right back though, didn't he?
He did.
I mean, I feel like that guy.
The shoot's out.
That guy has been in an undrivable car enough that, like, because, hey, he's always all
over the place.
Yes, he is.
Hey, and the car's always competitive.
It's always fast.
Like if you draw him, I mean, you kind of got to be like, damn, you know, because you
can't underestimate that car.
It always runs good.
I feel like there, there's always, there always this close to just putting it together.
Uh-huh.
You know?
It's just that close to greatness.
Yup.
At Bowling Green, he was a car out.
But again, it's a turbo car, and they're, they're inconsistent.
At Bowling Green, he was a car out, or a couple cars out on Rankin, and he went through the
beams sideways and Rankin drove around him at the big end.
Yeah.
Just, it's, it's, if you, if you got to drive a car every single pass like that to get to
the stripe.
Man, hey, it's cool.
You do get good at driving.
But it doesn't translate over the wind lights.
Yeah.
It doesn't translate over the wind lights.
So, and that sucks because man, I like turbos, especially in small tire stuff.
And I still believe that turbos have a place in small tire racing.
Look at, what's his name?
Yeah.
Zach Jones.
I thought you were talking about Joey Reveoli.
I think Joey's car is this close also, you know, like, he's pretty consistent, but
it kind of seems like he might be just a little bit consistent behind.
Yeah.
Like, he ain't pushing it the way that Memphis Reigns is, and that's what makes, whenever
you push it like that to go as fast as you possibly can, like all of Joey's passes, they're
still all under control.
Yeah.
But then also, you know, that's a, the Corvette's a short wheelbase car, too.
So that doesn't help him out any, because you look at the, that motor's way back there,
you look at the Jones car, big car, and it's always under control, too.
It is.
You know what I mean?
And that car makes a ton of power.
So, man, that car's, that car made a lick.
Who was he racing?
When it blew up?
When he blew it up.
Oh, wow.
Hitman.
Yeah.
Hitman.
Which Hitman, I guess, didn't tell anybody and just showed up at the race with a screw.
Of course, a screw now.
I didn't know that.
Yup.
I saw it in the stage lanes and I was like, oh, there's Hitman.
I'm looking around.
I'm going.
And then the butterfly's open.
I went, holy shit, man, he didn't have a pro charger on that car.
Yup.
So.
Like from video, not video.
I mean, you know what I'm saying.
From what I see, I feel like cars like Billy's S10, like that kind of small tire racing,
turbos are superior, but when you get to cars like the OG and cars like Hitman and cars
like Zach Jones's car, the turbos are just in control.
All right.
Well, then answer me this.
Riddle me this.
What class is Billy's S10 racing?
Well, back like 58 years ago, small tire, not New Gen small tire.
So you think that there should be two classes for small tire?
No, I do not.
Oh, OK.
I think that whenever it's run, what you're brung, anything on 28th.
So yeah, that's that's big controversy right now.
Well, it is.
And I love small tire too, but it's it's it's getting tough to listen to the guys that
think there need to be two classes for it, man, like, look, you either think you're the
baddest and you're going to come out and prove it or get it.
Put that bitch in the 530 class, put it in a 530 class or the true street class or put
it on 26, eight and a halfs and go race.
You know, they had a class there that was basically old small tire cars.
Yeah.
The street racer, right?
Maybe I don't know.
I know it was.
I saw the street racer class.
I don't know what it was.
It was.
That's a night of the South was the 26th class.
And it was just old small tire cars that can't run with the himmys and stuff, but to put
them on 26, eight and a halfs and it kind of levels it a little bit.
Yeah.
Tommy's car was really good at that.
Yeah.
Tommy's car is pretty fast at that.
Did he race there or did he race the 530?
He race 530.
Okay.
That's right.
Because I saw him pedal it a couple of times a win.
Yeah.
Or he pushed that dude out.
Yeah.
Is what you was telling me.
Yeah.
No, he's he's good at it.
I wish he would show up to one of our races so I could line up with him.
He's good at it.
Yeah.
I know he would outrun me.
He's pretty good.
He grew up bracket racing though, right?
I don't know.
I thought he did.
I don't know.
But I would imagine.
I'd imagine too.
I don't know.
Because Bill's a bracket racer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'd like to get some people's opinions on this.
Do you think, and if you do, you're wrong, but do you think there should be two classes
for small tire for the billet, billet block cars or whatever these people are saying?
Is that what they, is that what they class it as is if you have a billet block, you'd
be in that class?
Basically.
I feel like you need to fast-forward the list.
But most of the people that make this argument are mad that their dart block 427s can't go
out there and run small tire anymore.
And look, man, it may have five or six years ago.
And that's cool.
I'm an LS guy.
Like, to the bone, I am an LS guy.
The LS combination shouldn't be running with the Hemi guys, man.
You shouldn't be trying to unless you've got a 1,900 pound car.
This won't be very popular, but I'm willing to bet that those same people that are out
winning with the Hemi's and the billet stuff, you take that stuff away from them and they
would still win.
Yeah.
And that's the thing.
Because they're going to do whatever it takes to win.
Because the cream always rises to the top.
What are you going to do?
Okay.
You separate it into two classes.
You got billet and you got cast.
You think somebody out there isn't going to get a solid hit big block and hang a pro
charger off the front of it and run over all your LS cars to like you at the end of the
day, you got to get in where you fit in.
And if you don't fit in a small tire class anymore.
Yeah, but the whole world believes that you should get participation trophies.
I don't believe that like, and it just seems I thought maybe that the racing world, it
would bypass the racing world because everybody's so competitive.
Yeah.
But why would you, why would you want a class that is made for your 86 Mustang that's red
that has the stock Ford in it, you know, on this tire?
It was built on Friday.
Just you're, you have this class strictly for your car and then you're going to be proud
if you win.
Yeah.
I, I don't know.
I don't get it.
Yeah, I don't have a legit small tire car.
No, but, but you got into the 530 class.
I got in where I fit in.
There you go.
I'll raise my shit anywhere it fits and I don't know.
I guess not everyone has that same mindset.
But you know what?
If there was a 5.0 class, you'd get in that.
Yeah.
If there was a 480 class, you'd find a way to run 480s.
Yeah.
Whatever it is.
If there's not a 530 class, I'll get in the 580 class like, slow it down, speed up.
Like, I don't, I don't know.
I just, I don't understand.
I don't understand.
And the only reason I bring this up is it's been in our comments a lot lately because
of our Allis Syndicate races.
And people are saying that we're not getting huge car counts because no one wants to race
the bill at him.
Well, I'm not saying that.
That's not true.
Yeah.
But I'm saying that's a, well, they don't be a pussy.
Yeah.
They want to split it up into two $10,000 classes.
Look, man.
No.
I don't.
We ain't going to be the people to do that when we don't even believe in that.
If you do that, someone's going to be mad.
If whoever wins is going to be mad that they got put in that class and they get put in
the secondary class.
You know?
Like, it's hard to split it.
I like the idea of not necessarily being so top heavy on payment and splitting the winnings
up, you know, paying back further.
Which I believe that we're going to do.
Okay.
I like that.
I believe we're going to do that.
I don't think there's a need for two classes.
Like there's plenty of classes.
There's plenty of places for you to come and race and, and get in like that's, that's
my opinion.
You can take that for what you will.
Look, I'm going to be honest.
Uh, what, what combination does turbo John have?
Uh, some sort of Ford with turbos.
That shit was rolling.
I thought it was an LS car, but I'm pretty, pretty positive.
It's a small bought for that thing or a big bought for that thing was rolling.
So like, and then he watched Ryan's pass and was like, Oh, it sucks that my car broke
man.
I think it was going to be a good race.
Yeah.
And I was like, Holy shit, you know, but I don't think he was wrong by, by looking
at his past that he made.
I watched his video cause he talked about being at the race and I thought that was
pretty cool.
Yeah.
And, uh, man, it looked like, I don't know what motor is that it looked like he made
some pretty solid passes, some sort of Ford, I mean, cannon valve, so big bought Ford.
It's tough to tell just by looking at a head.
I don't, I mean, I, somebody could probably tell just by looking at a head, but I can't.
Pictures of your motor, John, I don't want to listen to you.
So, so from, from what I, so I thought when I looked at the, that Fox body that crashed
the sixth race or whatever, it looked like, like obviously that car was far behind whoever
he was right.
Who was he racing?
Was it who?
The guy that crashed.
Oh, he was racing a Willoughby.
And that's what?
What's in that car?
In Andy's car?
Yeah.
I don't know what's in Andy's.
I was just saying, I think it's a hymn from what I see, seen, man, it runs
good.
He runs that car in everything too.
Everything.
Like, you know, you see the big hitters and because there was how many cars there, there's
cars there that were a couple of tents back, obviously, and all those cars led, they were
big block, you know, compared to the hint.
Like, if there's a, there's a Hemi, there's a big block, there's a LS, you know, it just
keeps going back.
But there's got to be, I mean, they can't, I think Andy raced in another race that same
weekend.
He was somewhere else earlier in the week.
I think it was West Texas.
Was it?
I think so.
He was, he was somewhere else.
Cause I was like, oh man, that sucks.
There's a big race going on.
Why aren't you there?
Big dog?
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden he was, you know, like he won that one.
And then it, and this may be total bullshit, guys.
I don't know.
This is just speculation.
I feel like he saw that it got rained out and then they actually started the race on
Sunday and then he made it happen.
I feel like, I feel like that is exactly what happened.
If so, hey, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
So let's see.
It's a big block Chevy.
Oh, what is Andy's car?
I mean, look at Billy's car.
It's a big block Chevy.
That thing runs good.
I think he can be competitive with him, but I think he needs a little bit more time with
it.
Oh yeah.
But I, I, I 100% believe that that car.
But like you said, man, that car can run with them himmys because what's that car
way?
Exactly.
It's light.
I know what it weighs.
Yeah.
Billy said it.
Billy said it was dumb light.
What he told me was light.
So I'm sure it's even lighter than that.
Yeah.
So I mean, whatever you got to do, you know, well, and what, what still kills me to this
day is they're selling himmys, used himmys so cheap now, and these guys are still out
there spending 30 and 40 grand on cast block LSS 40 grand.
I'll get you a BAE himmy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What was your, what was your maintenance on the, whenever you guys had the turbo big
block and the Nova versus a pro line himmy?
We didn't really do maintenance back then.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm wondering.
We weren't, we weren't running as hard as what we are now.
That's what I'm saying is if you had a, if they, if a regular, not a regular guy, because
those guys are obviously the top of the line, but if someone switched their car to a himmy,
like, is it even affordable?
I mean, obviously compared to how you are running a pro mod, himmy versus a small tire
himmy.
I mean, we ran still rods in our big block, so I didn't even have to worry about changing
to pistons or the rods every 25 passes.
Yeah.
But y'all still did a lot because it blew up quite a bit, right?
The big block, big block, two or three times total and the whole time.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, there, there is a maintenance cost associated with a himmy that, that's
there is.
I can't even get a competitive big block and a competitive himmy.
It's still going to be the same maintenance.
I feel like you're still going to be doing the same stuff at the same intervals.
Or at least you should be.
Yeah.
But I wonder what like Scott is doing, how many passes he's changing stuff and stuff
like that.
Small tire car, I think he's making about 30, 30 passes for rods.
What about crank and all that stuff?
I mean, I don't know.
That's, that's, if you ask six different people, you're going to get four different
answers probably on that.
And then same with tires, you know, people say they, I mean, what Bill Lutz said he
was doing a tire or a pass, right?
See, and then that's just crazy.
That makes small tire not affordable for anyone.
Yeah.
I mean, it's $600 a set of tires.
Now you got to show up with 10 sets of tires.
I mean, quick math errors.
Yeah.
It's way more than it costs to do big tire stuff.
Yep.
Because he was full blown taking chips out when he was going for the fastest.
Apparently he has it, you know.
Oh yeah, I asked him.
He'll tell you he's the fastest.
And he was, he was full blown taking chunks out of that slick at Brayton.
Yeah.
After a couple passes.
Ryan's was doing that too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because what was, what was the small tire?
Ryan Hendrickson's car looks really good too.
The other day for, for, you know, yeah, I mean, and he had that thing pretty lined
out turbo car.
We are doing eight to 10 passes on y'all's 28s.
Yeah.
Eight tops anymore.
But we also run in 420s.
Yeah.
So we never been faster than 420 on a small tire.
So you got to, yeah.
We also never sprayed it.
So I mean, we could run what we were running.
What do we go?
113 to the 60 is the fastest we've been.
And we really need to be 108.
Yeah, probably.
Man, we didn't, I mean, yeah, that's quite a bit, but that was doable being where we
need to be.
Yeah.
Like I'm pretty sure that that's about what Scott 60 foot and then just sprays it with
everything out the back.
He is, he's still spraying it on small tires.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That car is cool to watch in person on a small tire.
He's got it lined out, man.
He's got it, he's got it.
Like he's tough to beat on a small.
It was, it was way lower in the back.
I noticed this weekend and when he runs it at small tire on at our races.
What?
Like one of it's because the track wasn't as good, but man, I'm telling you right now,
after all them cleanups and stuff, it looked to me like a bowling alley.
They look like the track was good.
Yeah.
No, they were.
That's what I was saying about or not what I was saying.
My bad.
Sorry about Billy's, Billy's Camaro.
He's taken it to a lot of shitty services, but like I'm wondering what he can run on
like a good, you know, all, I mean, it's.
I talked to him.
He acted to me like he didn't want to race all the, and something could have changed
by now.
This was like a year ago that he said, I don't want to take it all the bad.
You know, when he first got that car done, he said he wasn't going to do it with that
car and then he's fine through the air on the return road.
NASCAR track.
NASCAR track.
Did he take it?
He didn't go to Brown County, did he?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He said he said he 100% was not going to do Brown County.
No, he did.
He had it in the Nova.
It's coming up soon.
It's coming up soon.
It's coming up soon.
It's this weekend.
That would be cool to watch.
It would be.
We'll watch it.
Obviously, he can go fast on a prep track, but that's whenever all the other fast guys
like Ryan and Scott are going to go out there.
I think the small tire stuff, like the big return road with the KC Max isn't out there.
His car is going to shine better than on a better surface with the bigger dogs.
His car is a big dog.
Only until someone with a hymn shows up there.
Yeah.
No, you're right.
That's just all there is to it.
You get someone like Ryan that shows up to the return road at Nashville and he's going
to be just as competitive there as he is anywhere else he goes.
Yeah.
Scott too.
Yeah.
Any us.
Yes.
Anyone that.
I mean, look, me, Ryan and Scott had this conversation a couple of weeks ago and we talked about,
which is tough for me to say, so I'm just going to use Scott and Ryan instead of me
saying, you know, me, lots of people are like, well, no, let's go to a no prep and Scott started
laughing, you know, and he goes, y'all think that we're going to be slower on no prep?
Yeah.
Like we may slow down two tenths, but y'all are going to slow down four tenths.
Yeah.
It's, you know, so like there, it doesn't matter what surface you take the big dogs
to the big dogs are going to be the big dogs.
I get that.
But it probably be for someone that hasn't gone with the big dog cars to a track like
that yet versus the guys that obviously in one race, they can make up the distance.
But is that enough time?
It was enough time when you took us to California and we all had never been on that road out
there and they talked about how they got 42 test passes.
Yeah.
How many did we make 33 test passes, you know, and we made it to the final 12 something
like that.
Yeah.
That's the one that Ryan one, Ryan one that you know, not not.
We got beat by Scott, not the one that both races.
We got beat by Scott.
And I could, I could argue first and I got beat the second time for sure.
Not the one that Brandon James won first time.
First time I went red.
Oh, is that the one?
Yeah.
There was an argument to be made.
And then after that, Scott said, damn, and he turned it up and then he outran the small
tire you're talking about.
Yeah.
Okay.
I thought you're talking about the big tire with Brandon James and all that stuff.
Okay.
Now the small tire one out there in the terrible, that was a terrible surface, man.
It was a terrible service, but it just goes to show you can slow those himmys down to
run fives.
Yeah.
For sure.
I mean, they'll run threes and they'll run fives sink it like mid fives.
That looks terrible, but they'll run fives.
They sound terrible going down through there.
It just nutted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Back to everything else.
Small tire racing is cool.
I like no preparation.
I do too.
And at some point, like we talked about it this year, we're going to race as much stuff
as we possibly can.
So we're dumb busy.
Eventually we'll slow down and we'll get back to enjoying some stuff.
And I do want to race the OG.
I do miss racing the OG.
I do like to be part of the small tire guys, but right now, right now, everything's going
good with the big stuff that we're doing.
And I know we can be competitive even if everything changes, but I felt like the small
tire no preparation will always be there, but it might be evolved as much as the big
tire racing is while we're doing it, you know.
But while y'all can still do what y'all can do with the pro mod stuff and the NHRA stuff,
keep doing that because the small tire stuff, I feel like will always be around.
Yeah.
The.
I don't know.
I love small tires.
I do.
But man, I really like the pro mod stuff right now.
Pro mod stuff is cool.
Like the pro mod, the NHRA deal, like that's all.
It's all it's all good stuff.
Yeah.
So.
Man, how did we get there?
I guess we talked about we're going to 131.
Uh, there's already 32 cars going to be there allegedly like they're signed up, paid for
32 cars.
It's going to be a tough race, man.
Whoever, whoever wins this race is going to be able to hold their head up.
For sure.
This is a mini winter series.
It is.
Like there's a lot of the same guys that were at the winter series that are entered into
this race.
So there's going to be a 16 car field and then there's a Slammers class, which will
be for whoever didn't qualify and the first round losers of the main race.
So.
Oh, and the first round losers?
Yep.
Wow.
And there's also.
Radial stuff, right?
Yes.
Yes.
So, so it's, it's the shakedown at M town and it's the Midwest Drag Race series combined
with the radio outlaw series, which is radio versus the world, X275, LDR, Pro 275, like
everything.
So I'll go up and watch some radio.
No, for sure.
That's going to be a cool event.
Because Brandon will have 234 cars there.
He's going to win Pro 275.
He just always does.
Oh, there's the Australian.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
No, it's a, it's a points race.
So yeah.
What cars?
That's the Nova.
What's his name?
Is it a Nova?
It's a Nova.
Grant Lee Sloss.
Who's the guy that helped you with the Hemi?
Isn't he part of the person?
Oh, yeah.
No, that's Frank.
Yeah.
Frank.
Yeah.
No, he's not coming over for that.
I know.
But it'd be cool if he would because Ryan's racing his car.
I just figured he said Australian.
He's Australian, right?
Yeah.
So there are they.
What?
Because they're Australians, they're buddies.
That's racist.
Yeah.
Whatever.
I don't know that.
They even know each other.
I don't even know that they know each other.
No, Frank.
Frank, getting the part of that one.
Oh, no.
I've never seen that car.
I don't think.
It's Roger Holder's old car.
Yeah.
It's a, it's black now, like 66, 67 Nova.
Yeah.
That's cool.
It's like a shoebox car.
That's why I thought it was a Chevelle.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there'll be all kinds of stuff there.
Tracks always killer.
The air is going to get better.
It's not great right now.
The air will get better.
But even with crap air there, the track makes up for it.
So they're going to have to radio prep that track and then y'all going to be racing on
that same track.
But Samuel's there.
So he's the guy.
Samuel is the guy.
When you talk track prep, it'll be tip top for everybody.
Tyler was the guy.
Tyler's, Tyler's the guy too.
He hasn't, he, I don't know that he's been prepping a whole lot.
I don't think so.
He's just kind of running a PDR a deal and so.
And then so after Martin, Michigan, we head to two outlaw syndicate races back to back.
So we go to West Virginia and we go to a track that I'm pretty excited to go to.
The guy that runs the place really seems like he cares, man.
What's the place?
Southside.
Southside Dragway.
Southside.
Yep.
See how it's close, man.
Southside Dragway.
And it is in.
Southside.
Southside West Virginia.
Oh, I didn't ever got that then.
Even though it's so obvious.
It's Marion County or something like that.
That's what I remember.
Yeah.
Yes.
So we've never been over that way.
We've never been, I don't, I don't know, anywhere over there that I know of.
So, but the guy that runs the track seems pretty excited about it.
He is put it out there.
Seems like he's got his shit together and hopefully it's going to be a good, good hit.
So is this the first one that we're starting the car show at two?
Or is that the next one?
I think the car show is the next one.
At Sexton.
Yes.
Okay.
So, so the next one at Southside is just a regular outlaw syndicate race.
I believe so.
I'm not a hundred percent sure though.
I don't know.
It's, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to know if you don't know.
Well, maybe because Mallory makes the, the posters.
Oh yeah.
Maybe so.
I'll ask her.
Yeah.
Um, so regular 20,000, 20,000 payout for small tire.
Is this the race where we start?
Yes.
Paying back.
Yes.
So the 20,000 is getting split up.
Is it 10 to win?
10, 5, 25 and 25, I believe.
So, so 10 to win, five to runner up, 25 for the semifinals, 2,500.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's a pretty good payday.
It still is.
You know what I mean?
Like, so that'll be cool.
And then there's that law, 530 class that we'll be racing in, 5,000 to win.
Yep.
Um, and then there's a daily driver.
Is there junior dragsters at this one?
Yeah.
Well, they're, they're also besides, 6,0 and 7,0.
Yeah.
They're 6,0 and 7,0 index classes, daily driver, maybe junior dragsters don't quote us on that.
I think we're going to bring, I think we are going to bring our tree.
And then Friday night, since it's basically a lot of testing or a pot race on Friday night,
there's not a whole lot of organized stuff that goes on on Friday night.
There's not a lot of organized stuff that goes on Saturday.
There's not, there's not.
There's somebody out there acting like they're organizing it on Saturday though.
We don't even act like we're organizing.
No, it's just kind of a free for all.
It's just kind of a, you get out there and do what you, do whatever you want.
They say that, but they wouldn't let me make no passing and had no EMT at the last one.
Well, that's a no brainer.
What's that?
There was no EMT.
What's that?
Oh, EMT.
Yeah.
There was no ambulance.
We couldn't make any passes.
We had Dalton there.
We had to make a pass.
We are going to bring our tree and our tree will be set up at our practice tree.
We'll be set up at Outlaw Syndicate booth and we're going to do something with that.
Something.
That'll be fun.
We have some sort of, you know.
Little prize.
Yeah.
I don't really know what yet.
400 pro tree, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just making sure.
Yeah.
So Scott will come over and win that deal.
That's right.
He didn't win the one he had at his trailer.
I should have won that deal.
Yeah, you should have.
I should have.
I got beat by you.
You did get beat by me.
I just like to go red, man.
I don't know.
What else?
What time is it?
It is 6.30.
About time for you to get on the road.
I don't know.
What are we at?
Probably an hour total between both.
37 minutes on this one.
And I think the last one, we ended up at like 22 minutes.
Yeah.
So we're right at an hour.
We call that good, dude.
It's a pretty good little show.
We talked about plenty there.
I know a lot of you guys aren't going to be very fond of the no to small tire class thing.
That's life, man.
You know?
That's just part of it.
At some point you got to get in where you fit in.
And that is life, you know?
I mean, I kind of wanted to talk about it was, you know, it was Memorial Day.
Yeah.
And we finally got a little, little took a little break.
It took a little break, man.
Like as I get older and I say all the time as I get older, I'm tired of saying it.
You say it a lot.
I know because I'm getting old.
Maybe because I'm thinking about getting old a lot.
I try not to think about that.
You can go down a big rabbit hole.
I know.
I know.
I just want to slow down a little bit guys.
Like when we come home and I know you guys, you may think that you know this, but you
really don't know how much time we spend out here in this shop.
From the minute that I wake up to the minute I go to bed, I'm out here in the shop.
We're always doing something and I'm tired of it.
I want to, I want to slow down a little bit.
Not that I don't enjoy life now, but I want to slow down and enjoy some of the stuff
that we build.
Enjoy some time off.
Just enjoy living a normal life.
What's that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Here it's enjoyable.
You don't know.
So if you kept doing power line, I mean, it's still not a normal life.
That is nothing nowhere close to a normal life either.
But it's still a regular type job.
And, you know, compared to what you do, you know, it's about the same.
I'm gone from home all the time.
I know.
But whenever I came home, I was off.
Yeah.
Whenever we come home now, we're not off.
Richie has a regular life.
Richie has a regular life.
Monkey has a regular life.
I mean, he's working a lot.
So it's just, it's nonstop.
The minute I wake up, I get out of bed.
I'm out here in the shop every day.
So this week we changed that a little bit.
We did.
We came out in the shop, believe it or not.
We came out of the shop and we worked on the boat and we got that bad boy running.
You know why?
Because we're Honda Tex.
Honda Tex.
187.
Honda technicians.
That's what we are.
We mess with the V-tex and all that stuff.
Yup.
Injector cleaners, everything.
Pulled that thing apart.
Hey, and that baby's running like a top.
We took it out.
We took it out.
The first day we took it out was what?
Thursday or Friday?
Friday.
And Friday evening.
Yeah, it was Friday.
Took it out here to El Reno Lake, just the little small lake, just to see if the thing
would pull itself.
It'll go through mud and everything.
And man, hey, yeah.
Well, we underestimated how deep that lake was.
Like they have big boat races and everything out there.
So I was like, man, not a big deal.
We're in the middle.
What looked to be the middle?
Next thing I know, man, we were stopping.
We had a mud rooster tail.
Yes.
So we got out of that.
It wasn't no big deal.
The boat seemed like it was going to run like a top.
That was Thursday.
No, it was Friday because that took off Saturday.
It took off Saturday and then I went to the lake Sunday and Monday?
No, you went Saturday and Sunday.
Saturday.
That's right.
Saturday and Monday.
So then we realized, hey, it's going to be good.
The thing runs really good.
Everything was fine.
We come back to the shop Saturday morning.
Believe it or not, I came out to the shop.
I put a stereo in the boat.
Did.
Sounds pretty good.
It does.
Sounds really good.
A whole bunch of kicker stuff showed up Friday evening, Saturday morning.
I put it all in the boat.
It sounds really good except all the excessive road noise that's in it.
I have to find a better ground or something.
Did that.
What else did we do?
Oh, no, nothing.
That's it.
We took it to the lake.
My brother and Tanner and Tanner's whole family came and then his little girl's awesome.
And then we had a pretty good time out on the water and it's nice to just cruise around.
We went to Fort Cobb Lake and I had never been there before.
This is the first time I have ever even laid eyes on this lake and man, it's really nice.
It's a nice place.
It was a nice place.
So then we came home and Sunday we worked in the shop all day.
Sunday we worked.
Sunday we worked in the shop all day and then to finish the day up, which my day ended at
10 o'clock whenever I put the wheels and tires back on the boat.
Oh, yeah.
We ended up pulling the hubs and everything apart, checking all the bearings.
I'm glad we did because there was two or three of the cage was busted and was missing the
bearings.
So we ended up doing that.
I found a guy and Aaron found a guy on Marketplace that sells wheels and tires for trailers.
So we just bought the whole combination, wheel and tire combination.
We went from 13s on the boat, but we kept them clean to 15s on the boat with trailer
tires.
That's like going from 15s to 20s.
It was the same thing, same thing.
So we did that and then we ended up securing the trailer a little bit more.
All the lights work on the trailer.
Everything's good to go, I think.
So then me, you, Aaron and Mallory all went to the lake Monday and we actually worked in
the shop till about two.
Yeah.
And then we loaded up and we were on the water about 3330 and we were loading up at 630.
So, you know, three hours on the lake and we drove the whole shoreline of the lake, which
was really cool because if you don't know the lake, I like to get the layout.
I want to know what we're working with.
Find where all the shallow spots are.
We found a couple more shallow spots.
We did get the, the depth finder in though.
We just got to put it on.
Just got to put it on.
That'll be, that'll be helpful because at this point we're just kind of guessing and
looking for lighter or darker spots in the water, you know, which we're pretty good at.
Yeah.
Do you dock on the east side or does y'all drive across the bridge?
We didn't drive across the bridge.
We docked at the, at the marina.
We didn't drive across the bridge at all at the marina both times.
I asked Dalton where, and he said, this is where you should do it at.
He dropped me a pen and everything.
We usually saved in his Dalton's, uh, their grandparents' houses across the bridge on
the other side.
That's what we figured.
Yeah.
We saw a couple of places like that.
So drove by party cove, hippo beach.
So it's party cove.
So the dams right here is party cove in between that and the marina.
It's something somewhere around there.
Yeah.
We saw a bunch of boats tied together over there and then on the complete opposite side
is where hippo beach is at.
And then Dalton's grandparents is right here.
And then Dalton drove me on the jet ski, which I hated.
Drove me all the way to party cove.
That seems like a terrible place for a party cove.
He was like this behind Dalton.
Dude.
It was terrible because Dalton liked it.
Y'all rode nut to butt across the lake on a jet ski.
Cause I had to go get, uh, something for, he had to go get something for Zoe.
And I was just, I just,
He remembered the story was too bad to tell in front of his mom.
Yeah, he did.
No, I had just got there.
I pulled up.
Dalton was already at party cove.
He hopped on.
What happened was he parked on the jet ski drove back to get me.
And I said, you come pick me up.
He goes, yeah, didn't tell me it was on a jet ski.
And so he pulls up and goes, get on.
I'm like, no.
Yeah.
Boy, you better have a knee board or something.
And I got it.
And it was terrible, dude.
It done.
Yeah.
It was so terrible.
Was it bright yellow?
It was bright yellow.
Yeah.
It's his aunts.
Yeah.
It's his aunts.
We saw them out there.
Oh really?
Yeah.
I figured they were out there.
So, but just going out and chilling.
And I don't care if we just drive out to the middle of the lake,
kill it, play some music and chill.
Lay out on the seats.
It was, man, honestly, the first day that we took the boat out,
I realized, man, it did something to me.
And it made me realize, man, we got to slow down.
I've got to stop working so hard all the time.
Yeah.
It, a little break is nice every now and then.
Like there's stuff that just has to be done, obviously.
But it doesn't even have to be a boat.
The boat just happened to be the thing.
We need to enjoy everything that we built.
Throughout the whole year, not just the summer when you can get on the boat.
Yeah.
But your time off is fixing stuff here that we are not our main concern.
Yeah.
That's your time off.
But I do it to myself and I understand that.
Like I'm the one that brings on all these projects.
You'll say, we got a day off tomorrow.
We're going to do this, you know, or you're going to go out work on the property.
Yeah.
Or you're going to, you know, the tiny house was your vacation.
Yeah.
Your mom keeps me busy.
Are you ready?
You ready to hit the road?
Just got to grab the dogs.
Well, let's call it then.
Yeah.
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Next Tuesday.
So no breaks, none of that stuff.
No next Tuesday game in here.
Did the podcast after we got done working all day.
Now I'm going to hit the road.
Yep.
Hit the road, drive for a couple of hours.
I'm going to go home and sleep for a few hours.
Right after I just said, we're going to take it easy.
Uh-huh.
Yep.
Yeah.
Someday we'll get Brandon on here.
There's a lot of comments about that.
No, it'd be cool.
I got some questions for him.
Uh-huh.
Oh, Chrisville just said, see you this weekend.
Hell yeah.
That's cool.
He's going to be there.
I always like when Chris is there.
Me too, man.
He's a good pick me up guy.
No, you guys are doing good.
You guys are doing good.
You know, you're in the right direction.
Or, you know, like when I'm down about it, you know, he's like,
he's got good life advice because he's been everywhere and done everything.
He's been crew chief of the year too.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
So.
You know, Chrisville is something like an idol.
He is.
So.
Bless you.
So.
Okay.
Well, we're going to hit the road guys and just keep on, you know, working.
Yep.
Just doing what we do.
But as always, thanks for watching and we will catch you on our next podcast.
Yeah.
About this episode
Episode 13 swings between shop-life talk and hard-edged drag-racing realities. The hosts revisit past builds (bearings, rear-end fixes, and track troubleshooting) and then get into what it really costs to race—payouts, repairs, and the risk of mechanical failures. They also debate class rules, tire categories, and “participation trophies,” arguing for fair competition while planning upcoming events like the shakedown at M town and beyond.
Original notes
Welcome back to Moron Nation Unfiltered Episode 13!This week Shawn and Phantom go down memory lane and talk about the many different lives they've lived before becoming full-time race car addicts. From old stories and lessons learned to how racing has changed over the years, this episode covers a little bit of everything.The guys also dive into the current state of small tire racing and discuss why they don't believe every class needs a "participation trophy" division just so slower cars have a chance to win. If you want to win, build a faster car and step up to the challenge.We also talk about what's next on the schedule, including upcoming MWDRS Pro Mod competition with Blue and the next stop for the Outlaw Syndicate Small Tire Series.If you're a racer, gearhead, or just enjoy hearing two idiots talk racing, life, and everything in between, this episode is for you.👍 Like the video💬 Leave a comment with your thoughts on multiple small tire classes🔔 Subscribe so you don't miss future episodes#MoronNation #SmallTire #ProMod #OutlawSyndicate #MWDRS👕Get your official Murder Nova and 187 Customs apparel or order parts for your hotrod at:https://www.themurdernova.comGet your Never Eyewear here:https://neveneyewear.com/?rfsn=8810281.b585c0&utm_source=refersion&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=8810281.b585c0 mTAGSFollow Us!https://www.facebook.com/187Nova/https://www.facebook.com/187customsLLC/https://www.instagram.com/murdernova/https://www.instagram.com/187customs_/https://www.instagram.com/phantom.405/
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