Mustang FX; Grand Tour Cast; Cheap Goodwood Revival (sort of)

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Did you not stain remove that hoodie? Did. New stain. Is that from today? It's been like yesterday, and I didn't even notice. I looked down, I was like, fuck. That's why, like, that's how you know, like that color hoodie, that's rich folks shit. That's, yeah, yeah. I just have to take it off when I do anything. Yeah, and I don't even know what's from in order. I mean, in order to wear that, you have to be like, no, I don't, I don't make a mess when I eat or drink. And also, my shit does

not stink when I drop a doose or like, I also don't fart. I mean, I think I was a messy eater, and I was just being normal, but it's like, one drop of something fly. That's all it takes. And I guess I don't realize, because I wear a lot of black t-shirts. I don't realize how much food is actually flying toward my face. You got to have a, you have to be, that's why, like, you know, we have a, we have a customer here at the shop who I'm not going to use their name, but their nickname is white

t-shirt, and then the person's actual first name. And he, he pretty much embraces it because his white t-shirts are a one-time use, one-time use white t-shirts. And I thought like, and to, to, to say that to someone, it sounds like crazy and wasteful. It's sort

both of those things. Unfortunately, at a certain level of wealth, it's never like, it's never,

like I'm never saying it's a net good. But if you do out the math, if you make enough money,

it's the kind of money where you buy white t-shirts and bulk. You know, it's like, it's not that much,

like compared to whatever you make that year. Right. There's no math on this is worth it,

but it's not, it's infinitesimally small. Yeah, it's even, it's a small enough number where

this person doesn't even have to consider it in their budgeting. Right. Like it's kind of,

kind of crazy. Wow. They worked like a marinara factory. It was just like, oh, once it gets

red and then it threw away. It was a lot, it was a lot of money, but like we did it out and like,

it was basically like five days a week. We assumed it wasn't every day. So it was five days a week

for a year. And like if you bought like a pseudo designer t-shirt, but it was in bulk, like,

it was like 1,600 bucks for the year. Let's do it. 250 sheets, 260 shirts. Yeah. So that times

40. If you buy them, like if you buy that many, like they're cheap. If they're just white,

non-printed, you know, when you're buying t-shirts, like when we're, when we've sold t-shirts,

it's like the cost of the shirt is like fucking bullshit. It's the cost of the

design. Yeah. And if you're not trying to do like if it's white and if it's designed to be like

an undershirt, basically, you know, it was, it came out to like four or five dollars a shirt and you're

like, oh, well, like if you're making like three million dollars a year, like I'm going to see

how that happens. I could just can't. Right. The money is obviously doesn't matter to this person.

It was ridiculously wasteful. Right. It's ridiculously wasteful. But that's what the reason I started

down that road is because Zach's beautiful swag singer hoodie. I've never seen it not stained,

but he washes it every time he wears it. I said, you got stained on day two. And I spent a full day

de-staining a chocolate stain and I got it out. And now I don't know what I ate yesterday.

I'm just trying to say that color is rich folks. It's can't, you can't wear it all the time.

Yeah. You have to take it off. Yeah. You need a dinner jacket and a non dinner jacket.

That, you know what that is? That is a 3,000 mile E46 M3. Yeah. Yeah. Its value is in its pristine

mix. Can't do anything with it. Can't do shit with it. Is it cold and you want to eat soup?

Not in that sweatshirt. Put on your eating sweatshirt. Yeah. I just got back from Italy and like,

bad dude, the battle of linen versus red sauce was fucking off. Yeah. There's olive oil on

everything and it flies around. Yeah. I will say if you want to have a good dinner sweatshirt,

get a smoking tire sweatshirt because our sweatshirts are black. Yeah. I will hide your grime.

That's what we do. Yeah. Dude. But I would love, you know, we have to have the light lever in the

tecan that over time, you know, turns blue from my jeans. And Han is close. We have to have the

eyes like every six months. But like, if I could have a whole suit of that, my driving suit would be

nice. Yeah. It's so strange that like back in the day, it was probably just because it was cheaper,

but like, you know, racing outfits and you're like, Ken Miles, he's racing suit. I think

it was white mechanic suits for white because he probably was cheaper to just bleach the cotton.

No, I think it died dark blue or something. You don't think it was just team colors? I think it was

just their team's color. I think other teams had other, they had, they had color. That's a good point.

Other teams were other colors, I think. What a choice then. They didn't all wear white, but yeah,

at lemons, we don't have to jump, not to jump ahead. No, it's no, it's talking about lemons.

There was a team there. I went racing. I went racing at lemons. It had to be one of the hottest

lemons is ever. You told me before you left, you're like, dude, it says, it's going to be 105.

108. Well, it was California Thunder Hill. They did a 25 hour, they did a 25 hour,

one minute race because they wanted it to be the longest race, I think in the United States,

if not the country, like for the year. Really? So 25 hours. Clappmann's in the record books,

participated in the country's longest race. To this point, right. I participated in a lot of it,

but not all of it. Does that happen like throughout the year, like is, is VIR going to like retaliate

in September? Oh, like the 25. And it's a parallel eventually host, the longest race the world

has ever known. And then our commenters are going to be like, you know, well, apparently,

I guess, you know, it was at IMSA, whichever organization was running the 24 hour of Thunder Hill,

decided not to do it this year. And so the slot was open. And I think Thunder Hill had it cleared

by the county. Need IMSA, right? Well, lemons was like, hey, we'll take the spot. And yeah,

so that's what they did. Full overnight lights. What did they say? They said there's just enough

lights out there to keep it interesting. And that is accurate. Yeah. Like, like, does that mean there's

about half the amount of lights that there should have been? Well, depends on what you mean by should

have been. If you want to be able to see the track clearly, yeah, they need five times the lights

they had. Like because they, they expect you to bring headlights and have, and they, that you go

through tech, they require you to show that you have functioning headlights. Felt shooting is got

a big thing. Bingo. Bingo. The definition is broad and people explored both ends of it. Yeah.

So some people had like full rally lights. Oh, yeah. And they get behind you and, you know,

blind you. And we had, uh, like high quality LED, Holly headlights, but we like two of them on

our Ford Ranchero. And those did dick. Yeah. Yeah. What you're out. Remember what I did V.I.R.

in that shitty E 30. And we had the crappy like Chinese LEDs from 15 years ago. Oh, right. And

then it rained. Yeah. Like dude. At this 20 and 16. We had a light bar. And it was not at all.

Yeah. V.I.R. had no lights. V.I.R. is the darkest place I've ever been. Yeah. That was not,

I thought about that a lot when we were signing up for this thing. And I was like, oh, they had to do

with like a defrostor issue, which we did. Okay. So did the car last? So it was a 64 Ranchero.

It has a 302 that's punched out to 331. It's pretty spicy. It's got, uh, probably 300 horsepower,

Holly EFI system, four speed top loader transmission. They've been raising this car for a decade.

So Jeff Flucker of Universi's been on the show a lot. Him and his friend Tim O'Dell, who helped him

create a universe. They've been racing this car in various iterations started with three speed

on the tree and a in line six. And I'm really glad I didn't join at that time. That sounds

to me. That's terrible. The lemon is amazing for so many reasons. And you seek slow cars out

there that are like, they're there for the art or to have a good time. But it looks boring to me.

It's just to be a rolling chicane. Thanks for 25 hours. Everyone's got to start somewhere.

If it's literally your first race, getting a slow car, but fuck me. Yeah. What a terrible

and some of those teams to be fair did beat us because we had mechanical issues. But I think

the sweet spot is if you can drive at least half the race at high speed and then something goes

wrong, I'd, I'd take that over, you know, slow pace car. Yeah. Um, so the cars got

I had never driven the car before. I think I got in second stint. It was like a hundred degrees

outside. No cool shirt situation. And no practice. You haven't turned wheel until hot track.

Sorry. Uh, we did, we signed up for test in two day Friday. Yeah. Which I paid for my own,

my, my time they paid for theirs, $250. Uh, car had some issues. So I think I got six laps

of getting to know you. Yeah. And our other news driver did as well. And then what we're having

is a fueling issue where it seemed like the fuel was boiling. Do you remember? Tating. Bingo. Remember

when we experienced that with, um, I experienced a couple of times. Uh, busy. Yes. So we filmed

the 1000 or that also happened in, um, with my fox body because I put in a fuel pump that was too

big. It was flowing too much fuel and it was circulating that hot fuel back into the tank.

And I learned then that bigger is not always better. I think that our main tech person

was learning that lesson and, and we'll figure it out. Yeah. What's funny is that it was happening

to me when the car was like, when I was in traffic, it's not the kind of thing that would happen

when I was romping. Right. But I, yeah, this could be the same problem. Yeah. You're flowing a lot

more fuel than you can get into the motor. The rest of it goes right back to the tank after

going past a very hot engine. So, and I, I, I brought that up because the person who like

maintains the car, he's a, like biomedical engineer by trade, like smart person, all the tools

have ever seen in the world, which they needed. The car is a heart attack. I bet he could diagnose.

And he diagnosed a lot of stuff. I was honestly very impressed with this. I poke fun. Oh, of course.

But this was like a very new situation because he had put in a new fuel system and I told him the

story about busy. And he's like, oh, okay. So the next morning, they go to O'Reilly's. They buy a

transmission cooler. And they put that in the fuel return line in the truck bed. Now I've never

frisced seeing this. You have an air cooled. No way. You never see this. I've been no one has.

Maybe I have. And I've just not looked for it. But that sounds new to me. Me too. Maybe the

Veyron has one. I don't know. Did it work? It did. Cool. It did. So on Friday, test and tune the car

ran like garbage. And it's idling weird and stuff. And then they put this thing in. They literally

get it done 10 minutes before green flag. Green flag goes car drives an hour and 20 minutes until

the driver can't handle the heat anymore because it was 180 degrees. And then we started swapping.

And the car ran pretty good for like 15 hours. Now, we definitely had to bring it in and look

at things now and then and we knew we weren't going to win anything. But there was nothing catastrophic.

Like all the way through the night until I think 6am. I had, well, when I drove it at night,

it had a stumbling issue. But I'll get to that in a minute. But this thing, this car

fucking rocks, dude. When it was running well, this thing's like 2700 pounds. Yeah. Suspension.

However, they did this. It's great. It feels like a really agile, tight, possibly slightly too firm,

old Mustang. Yeah. It's like Fox body shit, right? It's a Falcon. It's a Falcon, which is basically a

Mustang. Yeah. And it's, I mean, front Fox body based cars are good lemons cars. Were you

shifting it like 4,800? No, we could go to six. You're shifting it six? Yeah. And they said we'd

go to seven. And I was like, no, I'll, I'll, I'll chill. Yeah. I don't want to be that guy. Not

with a Fox body motor. Not much happens between six and seven. This thing comes on cam pretty good.

Do that? At like four and a half grand. It's what cam was. I have no idea. I had a lot of shiny

stuff. And when it, when it ran well, dude, it fucking cooked. And like lemons is so fun. If you are,

if you're a mid-pack car, so we're class C, meaning there's class B and A or more advanced,

et cetera. And then there's like D and E. C is great because you're faster than like half the field,

but you're not timing, you're not freaking out about your pit stops. You're not as aggressive as

some of the other cars. And your budget is probably smaller. So we are passing people and dicing

up and stuff. And then, you know, a Corvette C5 goes by at like a 20 mile per hour delta. Yeah.

There was a Thunderbird out there that I had amazing battles with like I've never had my front bumper

so close to another car's rear bumper unless I was hitting them like parallel parking. Yeah.

And in the corners, I was just up this person's ass, but on the straightaway,

you just hear whatever they built under that hood go and they just walk us a little bit. Man,

it's so fun. Um, I had the most amazing time. Great. And racing old shit. I felt like I was in

a poor man's good wood. Oh, yeah. Because your vintage racing, the car is sliding. Yeah.

Like all over when you want it to, but just those little little slides around, you know, big third gear

corners. And you have to use like a DOT tire, right? Yeah. So, um,

Toyos. Toyos. Yeah. Well, so the car is going to move a little bit. It's not. It's not a stuck car.

Especially when it's hot. I mean, it's a fucking good time. It's full course, right? Full

court. No, no, sorry. It was only three miles. So east course. So east course. With the hill,

with the hill. The hill is interesting. Yes. I have out of the dark. Is there a light there?

Yes. There's a light on. There's a there's a light that illuminates that the hill is there.

And I had a oopsie in the dark on the hill. It was not a Tavarish oopsie, but I was trying to

I was trying to figure out if I could break later to like shave some time because we can get to

the times in a moment. And I break a little too late and I locked up the tires. And then

in the moment I went, oh, I've locked up the tires. I need to release. But now I'm freaked out

because I'm heading towards the grass, which I'm now in. Like, that's how the moment happens.

So I went off into the grass like 10. But then you just drove right back onto the track.

Yeah. I drove back on was there a penalty? Was it a four-off penalty? There would have been. I pulled.

I just there's supposed to be. Yeah. For people who don't know, like, if you go four-off,

you get black flagged lemons and they ask you why you did what you did. So I just went to the

judges stand and said, hey, I just did this. And they're like, all right, we hadn't flagged you

yet. But like, what happened? How do you feel? Because they were really checking in with people

for heating zones. Yeah. Because it was a fucking problem. Yeah. So they want to make sure you're still.

It was a 90 degrees at that point. It cooled down to like 70 at 4 a.m. Yeah. But that was great.

Other than being like tripping from being tired, I bet. Yeah. I bet it was the delight at 70.

Except it was probably so windy. No. Oh no. Very nice. Perfect wind. The two guys that drove at night

drove long stints. They said the car ran good. Our teammate posted the fastest time of the team

at night, which made Gluck a very upset. And then I was going to get Don patrol, but I gave it to Jeff

because I was like, it's such a special thing. And I was like, I just joined this team. You've

been doing this a decade. Like, you should have Don patrol. Okay. That's nice of you. And then he got

in and then the car stumbled and fucked up. So he actually didn't get like a good run. Which sucks. But I

still, you know, it's the thought that counts. Well, better for that to happen with him in the car

than for you to do it. And he doesn't get to drive at all. That's very true. That's very true. Yeah.

Because then I would have wondered. I do something wrong. Yeah. I didn't. I had already done enough of

that. Listen, the car is going to take a dump. Better for it to take a dump when you're not driving.

There's no question. Very true. The guest, the house guest did not break the car. The good news is

everyone got to share that responsibility throughout the weekend. Everybody got to experience

strange idling, cutting off fuel leak occasionally clutch pedal breaking. That was me throttle.

The throttle stop thing I snapped off by accident and had to pull back in because the throttle wouldn't

return but wouldn't go down. Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah. Lemon stuff. How was the driving position for

for your stint? Pretty good. Really? Only because when I first got there, the seat was leaned back

and I went, oh, like, I almost straight arm. Even when the seat was slid all the way forward.

And Glocker advocated. He's like, I've been asking to move the like changes seat. Can we just do that

and we tilted it forward? And then it was actually quite good. I mean, you should be sitting pretty

straight up, pretty straight up and down for racing. Yeah. You should be a little closer to the wheel

than you're probably comfortable with. Yeah. You know, I think most people would but for us,

it was perfect. Yeah. And then it had a slider because Jeff is like six three. Yeah. And I think one

of the other guys on our team was like five nine. So we had a good range there. So driving position

was good. Steering feedback is okay. It's a little Lucy Goosey. It's a manual rack. You know,

and so many turns locked to lock. Like you can do little slides and you feel like you're a god. Yeah.

But God forbid, it really stepped out and you'd have to do like three turns to catch and then

well, you know, you're you're opening like a door on a submarine. I don't think that'll be a good time.

Yeah. And I considered it. I was like, ooh, could I link some corners? Like shut the fuck up.

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and now back to the program. What's you said you had times? What are you talking about here?

So I went out on my first day. It was my best when it was the hottest because the car was having

problems on my second one and I ran a 226. Okay. Which they radioed and they're like, hey,

that's good. You're doing well. And I came back in. I was inconsistent because something I've

learned is managing traffic is a skill of its own. That's hard. I would run quick and then

putting pieces together and then I'd get up to traffic and I was too nice. I was like, they'll

move. They know I'm loud and fast. I don't want to dive bomb. It's too early in the day. What if

someone turns in? I was very like trying to protect the car too much. Yeah. Which was smart.

Understandable. It was an endurance race. It's the kind of thing that people criticize

doing when they've never driven a borrowed race car. Yeah. Yeah. We're driving a borrowed race car.

It's a little you're not going to necessarily send it sending. Hey, uh, that's true. And I hadn't

been to Thunder Hill. I think in seven years. Yeah. And Jeff's raised it like every year with

lemon. So he was more familiar. So so I came back in and my time was good. And then Jeff got in

the car and he ran two 25s, but like very consistent lap to lap. So I'm very impressed with his

ability to manage traffic. And then our our guy Scott went out at night and ran like a two 22.

And it was a much cooler probably nicer on the tires, better power. But Jeff never got to defeat

that time, which is probably bothering him as he listens to the show right now. And I understand why.

That's sure. Yeah. Cool. It's the fucking best. Yeah. Cheap racing is great. Cheap racing is great.

But like I watch the Goodwood festival or revival footage like ad nauseam on Instagram because I

just think the movement of the cars is so good. Yeah. You can get that if you race an old thing at

lemons. Don't race an E 46 or whatever, you know, new thing. Like that'll feel like modern

sports car driving, which we do all the time. But this was the different flavor. And it was the best.

Yeah. You don't have to go to you could bring good wood to you. You could have your own. I'm telling you

I was yelling in the car, having so much fun concept. Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. So maybe

maybe we need to do that. Maybe we need to build a vintage, a vintage, a cheap vintage racer.

Yeah. You know who's going to care about that? Fucking nobody. Oh sure. We have to do a project car

that will be instant fucking death. Yeah. Great. We go to Vara. What is it? Right. vintage.

Everyone's going to have no one's going to like this. No, no, no one will. We just talk about the show

for two minutes and then not make a video about it. Yeah. No. That's fine. We like this at all. We'll

like it. But we could have fun. You should. You should join. Yeah. I don't. I don't want to build it

though. We just fucking look on racing junk and buy somebody's. That's the way to go. Did race car.

Yeah. We don't even have to do that. I guarantee you at least three people listening to this show

want out of their vintage race car right now. And we'll unprompted message. That's

shut about it. If you have something with decent horsepower, the mountain will come to

Muhammad, hubby. Yeah. That's a good point. Something with a V8. We preferable.

Because I saw how much work Sam Smith put into that 2002 vintage race car and seems very

complicated for that engine to try to go fast and let's go V8. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we'll be. I want to be more trans-am. I don't need to be two liter. It's the best. If we're

going to do that. But I want a real steering rack. Yeah. I like a standard Foxbody rack is the

is the bare minimum that I'll go. I want to feel like a 60s vibe, but I don't want to steer 60s.

I agree. 60s. Steering sucks my ass. I would change that if I could have. Sure. Yeah. I hated steering

that. Partially Jones car. Oh, I actually like it's a food sacrilege because it's like a special

car. Like I didn't like driving that. I didn't like how it drove. Sure. But like in fact,

like I think I wonder if you do we need to go 60s if we did a Foxbody race car. Would that be old

enough to vintage racing vibes you? I don't. What if we wish. I don't know. What if we went with

a fucking I rock? That's pretty old. Yeah. That would feel trans-ammy. I like that. I rock. Yeah.

Could be a good time. I think that would be it. That's a good idea. Right? Yeah. There's something

about like the car's stripped bare metal. Yeah. No windows in the back. There's a lot of noise

and then the movement of the car. I think you could get that and it would feel old.

And an I rock is real garbage. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be fun. Something to consider. I'm glad

you had a good time and didn't get heat strokes. I drank a gallon and a half of water on the first

day. And then I stopped counting. Sounds right. And I barely peed. Yeah. It was nuts. Sounds right.

I'll tell you what. When I was in Italy, I didn't do anything with cars. I was driven around by

people in vans almost all of whom were horrible drivers. Really did not. Not all Italians are good

drivers. They aggressive or just bad. No, just bad. Just like bad, bad at driving. It was

surprising actually. I was very disappointed. You know who's really good at driving? All the boat

people. We went to Venice. The fucking boat taxi people. So those are some skills. Oh yeah,

definitely. Those people we went to. Sure things to hit. But yeah. Right. No. In Venice. Oh,

dude. Yeah, yeah. I met when you go from like was like the airport you go across the ocean

thing. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's easy. Yeah. No, no, within within Venice. We get a little

little dicey. Very tight. And then I went to Verona, which is an extremely underrated city.

I can't believe I've never been there before. If you're going to Italy, I really would put Verona on

your list. It's exceptional. And the Lake Como boat drivers are also very talented. And the Lake

Como car drivers are not. It was a bad place for driving, but a great place for everything else.

Yeah. But I really made a miscalculation with the I'm going to try to dress nice for this

whole trip because it was like 85 degrees and humid. And dressing nice for dinners and stuff,

I felt really good. But I was I walked like eight miles a day. I was like, I don't know why I

thought a full linen outfit was the right move for this. I should have done what doesn't

linen breathe great. Not if you're doing exercise in stagnant humidity. It breathes great if you're

at the beach and there's a breeze. Yeah. Otherwise, it sticks. It's not great. I feel the fashion in

Europe is like a challenging thing to analyze because you go, oh, I want to look good. Right.

And some people there look good and some people look terrible, but still especially Italy. You know

it's all about going for it. Whether it lends up looking good or bad, it's like that's he's that

person doing it. Neon green super tight polo shirt, but committed. Right. Oh, it's a full

commitment. And I think I think some of my outfits for me anyway. I don't have a lot of good photos

of my outfits on Instagram, but I mean, there's a lot of just linen stuff and is that? That was the

wine list at this restaurant. This looks like a spell book. This is crazy. It is a third, a quarter

the size of your body. It's so big. That is a two foot tall book. So big, so thick. And man,

I pick a great bottle from it. Nice. God, I fucking love Italy so much. It's so great.

What else is there? I mean, I don't need to talk about my vacation so much, but like

everyone should go to Italy. And you know, here's something that's interesting is that

before I went, everyone, you know, sort of like it's a bad time to be an American,

traveling internationally. And like, despite the shit show that is happening here,

the fact is nobody was hostile to us because we were Americans. I mean, we're not like,

we're not like flamboyantly like, you know, flag waving like insane loud Americans, but like

everybody was very, very nice. And the only time it came up at all in Venice, the palace

in Venice, the, you know, from before Venice was part of a unified Italy. It was like a sort of

independent city state and the water world. The leader was called the Doge. And so that's right.

That believe the palace is called the Doge. And so that, you know, kind of comes up. And after

three days in Venice as an American, you never want to hear the word Doge again. Yeah, the coinage

of the Republic of Venice called Doge coin. Yeah, it's not, it's not the best. So yeah. So that

was annoying. But my takeaway is if you've never been to fucking Verona, you should go because,

you know what it is, it's like, if Florence, if Rome is New York City and Florence is Los Angeles,

which is not exactly, it's not a bad, not a bad metaphor. Verona is like Austin, or not like in

a hip way, in like a size and manageability way or like a filly, like if you're going to go

somewhere for two days, it's like perfect amount of walkable and like local and tourist and old and

new and fucking real nice. And the food is wow. But like, man, while I was gone, like we loaded up

shows. So we haven't, we haven't been in the same room for 11 days. But like while I was gone,

well, our city's a fucking shit show right now. And we're actually going to talk about that in

its entirety tomorrow with an expert. So we'll pretend it's not happening for today in order to stay

sane, maybe. But our friends, Thomas and James are on apparently on the grand tour. Yeah. Now,

which congratulations to them, that's unbelievable. Well deserved for sure. I can't wait to see how it

works out with the weird train guy. You know, like it's that's weird as hell, right? I completely agree,

but either it will either be the most intelligent choice because he's like the James May to the group.

And I mean, I just haven't watched a lot of his content. Or we'll see what I've seen has been

exciting for him. He is. I mean, for fish out of water content, that's fantastic. You're like,

let's just put you in fast cars and I suppose that's true. Now, his reactions will be like super

genuine six-year-old at Disneyland. What else will make him have orgasms? But I think I'm curious

what he does when they do like the standalone segments is he going to talk about trains and public

transit or is he going to talk about cars, but it'll do. Do you think they're going to do that on the,

I think you're confusing that with top gear. They never did that on the grand tour wasn't. Didn't they?

And then they fucking got away from it. I don't know, maybe they'll go back to that. I don't know. Maybe. That's true.

I think I would be shocked if they don't do standalone car reviews because James and Thomas

are so good at it. That's true. And it seemed like maybe the trio was bored of it because they

done everything and they didn't have the time or whatever. But these guys might still be into it. I'm

not sure. Yeah. I don't know, but I'm very happy for them. Yeah. They earned it. So good for them.

And yeah, have fun with the train guy. That's cool. A good time, I think. Let's see. Did you see this

Ford FX package that they did for the last time? I saw it. And I saw some some outlet. I forget which

said, you know, the new FX pack is a fever dream for Fox body fans. I saw something like that,

whatever. We don't have to judge the title. But I was like, Oh, I am a Fox body fan. I will click

on this story. And then I looked at the thing they made. Doesn't it look corny as shit?

That this doesn't I, whatever Fox body, I am a huge fucking Fox body fan. I don't need to remind

everybody that. But like what exactly are the bits that we're looking at that are these amazing.

That's a great picture right there. Is that a Ford photo? That's from Ford, right? Probably

yeah. Okay. Other than the color. And I do love the color. This is the the sort of turquoise color

from the 93 Fox body, which I okay, the color I get the color looks great. I will give them that.

What are these white teeth and the white wheel? Oh, the accent. Well, the teeth I think have been a

part they were on the RTR, like Vaughn getting like the RTR ones would sell color teeth. I guess

I think it's like indicating intakes on most of the GTs. They're just black, but they are there.

I'm pretty sure. So they decided to color match them to the wheels, which look like rally wheels.

Yeah. A little bit like turbo fanny, right? Not turbo fanny. What's you know what I'm saying? What's

the fucking rally wheel? Yeah, like yeah, they're kind of like which I think look very out of place

on a Fox body or on a Mustang. They look like they belong on an and an Audi or even like a Subaru

WRC car. Or a hot, yeah, hot hatch or rally inspired hot hatch, especially in white and dude,

what turquoise and with white wheels is bad. That is a bad, clashy color combination.

But I just, I'm confused about what is supposed to be Fox body about this?

Fair. I mean, other than you know, the turquoise color, but like if that's it, did they do anything

on the inside? Like with the gate? All right. Look, I'll give them this plaid insert. That looks nice.

That looks nice. Did Fox bodies have plaid inserts? The Fox body did have a cloth that had a

plaidish pattern on it. Okay. And there's a Fox body font on the dash. See that Mustang GT? That's

the Fox body font. Is anything with the gauge cluster? That would be like the last one. Well,

they already had that. They already had the sort of area. But the wheels I don't get this

haloed white badge. I don't get the tea, the tea if I don't get. They could have done it. If I

think if they wanted a good detail, they could have done Mustang GT on the rear three-quarter glass.

That's a great Fox body detail that went away after that. And I think that would have worked. But

like these wheels do not look like the 1993 GT wheels. They don't look like the fucking

Cobra wheels. They don't look like any Fox body wheel at all. Yeah, the Cobra wheels would have

been great. This will fire. That's why I asked you if that photo was a Ford photo because it shows

it next to the Cobra. And it doesn't look anything like it. Oh, you passed it. Go back down.

I apologize to people watching there. There we go. Like it looks worse when you put them next to

each other. Those, those wheels would be cool. I don't love the wheels on the original Fox body

either, but they're definitely better. But if we went to Patrick at HRE and said, make me a today

version of that turbo fan wheel. I guarantee you they'd come up with something a lot better

and truer to the vibe than what they've done here. Yeah. Yesterday, I just saw yesterday, I saw a

red GR86 with white wheels, which looked really good. That could work because it's, it's Tommy

Mac and in Mitsubishi Lancer stuff. But yeah, the teal in the white is a white wheels are not always a

fail. But in this case, the design of the wheel doesn't match the car. And turquoise with white is

classy and ugly. And I'm fucking colorblind. Come on now. Yeah, this looks like a shower drain.

Not enough, not enough pores. The color is good, though. I do love it on its own. If it had regular

wheels without the white shit, the color is nice. Yeah. Interesting. How baby? What are we doing over here?

I don't know. How about, let's talk about something good. Did you look downstairs in the underground

level? I did. France has arrived. Viva la France. Yeah. I don't know how they did that, but I'm

really happy that they did. I think David Twig sent the bat signal back. Is that? He fed

access a car. Dude, shout out to TST fan Ben. I don't necessarily want to use the last name. Ben

C from France, who shipped his Alpine A110 to a new, the new one, the current one. Yeah, the new one.

The new one, the modern one, shipped it to the East Coast. I think Jersey or something.

Drove it, roadtrip it across the US to here, left it here with us, told us to film it, which

we haven't done yet, because we just got back. And then he's going to pick it up and go do the

Pebble Beach thing in August. Perfect. So I haven't asked him exactly how much I can drive it yet.

At first, I was like, yeah, we'll just film it, but I don't want to. And then I went downstairs

this morning and saw it down there. I was like, I'm going to take that home today. I'm not, but I'd

liked it. Right. Yeah. You got to ask for the mileage limits are on a show and display thing.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. But man, just looking at that thing downstairs, boy, we merkins missing out.

I'm so excited. It's so cool looking. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it might be a little bit of

a meet your heroes because every journalist that's driven this car just says how perfect it is. But

I believe that like that many of upvotes, I believe. Yeah, from people that I trust to determine

what good is. Yeah, exactly. I've never met anybody who's like, yeah, that sucks.

And there's, and there's, there are cars that are considered great where opinions are hugely

divided. Very true. Alpha 4C. Yeah. There are people who I generally trust about things who have

said they like that car. And I've stopped trusting them afterwards, but they're entitled to

shit. I can't wait to drive that more than fuck. Yeah. That's, it might, I don't know, be

interesting. I can't wait to see how it compares to a mirror. Yeah. I know it's, I think it's

a little bit of a mirror and film a comparison test. And also a base came in. Yeah.

We can. That would be amazing. Especially because viewers are more interested in seeing cars they

can buy here. We've shown that before. Yeah. Yeah. If you're, if the title's like the best car

you can't buy. Well, the best car you can. And then one you can't. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. We

should consider these things. We should maybe. I think we finally have dates for the live podcasts.

I think we're going to try this. We're working with our friends at the shop, which is a car storage

club thing. There's three of them. There's one in Seattle. There's two in Texas. But we're

going to try the Texas ones. We're going to try. I believe it's going to be July 24th and 25th.

July 24th Houston 25th Dallas or vice versa. I have, we haven't figured that out yet. But

for our Texas people, we're going to come to you. I think it's going to be about 150, 200 tickets

to show at the shop in Dallas and Houston. And I think it's actually happening. And Christian James

Hand is going to come with us. And he will. And so you'll actually get to see Christian James

Hand live also, which is fucking really treat. It really is. I didn't even want to do it until he

would come. Like, I know we do a good show, but our show is a good podcast. It's not necessarily

on its face set up to be a live show. A live show has to have an energy. And Christian has that

energy for the live performance, which I think will add so much value to what we're doing. Plus,

I like hanging out with Christian going on the road with him. It's fun. It'll be very fun. And

for everybody, like, if you're not familiar with him, it will change the way you listen to music

for the better. I promise you. So Texas people, July 24th and 5th, Dallas and Houston. And

I'll have more about that. Also, what's this today? Today is Tuesday, June 10th. What is next Monday?

16th. The 16th. Monday, the 16th. Patreon presale for the Green Notice Canyon.

The mother of Pearl will be two weeks behind it. So it'll be it's a hundred units,

individually numbered. Patreon only. So we are going to put the link up in the Patreon page

on Monday to buy it. I think we're going to, I don't know, whatever time I haven't figured out yet.

I'll put a post with the time, like you'll know what time before then, but it's going to be next

Monday. It's going to be in the morning, Pacific time. So if you want to get the green,

that's going to be then a hundred units only and then 50 more units of the Tahitian Black Pearl

two weeks after that. And no price impact from tariffs, the prices will be the same. It's going

to be same 1199, like all the other ones, for the green, green with guilt, with gold indices and

gold hands and 1750 for the mother of Pearl because the dials are a lot more expensive because

they're a natural material. And as a bonus, I think not a hundred percent on it yet, but I think

the Pearl one will have an oyster style bracelet instead of the Jubilee style bracelet because

oysters and pearls go together. What's the difference? This is the five link across an oyster is

a three link. It's a two, it's a two fins on the outside and a fat in the middle. Why do they call

it oyster? Just because it was designed by Rolex for the oyster or something. For the oyster

per pasture per pasture. Yeah, probably, I think. Yeah, that's, I would guess that goes back to

there. So those are fun. Live podcasts in July, the end of the canyons, the last 150 watches are

going out. It's a, it's a big month. Yeah, it's a big month. Live shows are going to be so fun.

Yeah. So before we get to questions, because we have a lot of them and we, there's no way we're

going to cover all the questions we got today. This was way too many. It was nine pages. We'll save

them. We'll run them out. Your questions are valuable. Shout out to our patrons. Of course,

patreon.com slash the Smogentire podcast. You do have to be a patron to get either of these

watches, at least, unless the, unless the patrons don't want all of them, whatever's left will be

released to the public, but I suspect it won't be many if any. We love you. Thank you for being a

patron. We certainly appreciate it. But what was I going to say? Oh, yeah. Tomorrow, Zach will post

this afternoon, but our show tomorrow, we're going to do with our buddy Sergio, who is an immigration

attorney here in LA. He's got a big practice. He knows a lot about the, the, the craziness that

is happening in Los Angeles right now. And I want to try to have like a educated and level-headed

discussion about, you know, how we can sort of support our neighbors in this, because it's just

unbelievably terrible like what is happening with these sort of, you know, snatching people off

the fucking street. You know, we're not, we're not talking about catching murderers. They're

raiding homes. They're raiding home depots. And if it's like, if they're misidentified, I mean,

that's those are the stories that are frustrating when they're like citizen arrested or deported,

even despite showing identification. Yeah. And like, that's, that's the indefensible part. Yeah.

And so, you know, I want to talk to someone who has a lot of knowledge about the, what's happening

outside the fucking sensationalist news reports. So that's going to be tomorrow at what, what do I say,

12? I think I put it down. Yeah. I think it's 12. Okay. So if you have questions for that,

make sure you check the Patreon later today. Um, right. Shall we get to the rest of this? Whoa,

big, long paragraph. Uh, and as disappointed puzzles says, should we, have we ever considered

a more philanthropic efforts? A smoking tire foundation could host events, track days, etc.

In my experience, these people, uh, car enthusiasts are generally kindhearted, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah. Um, I haven't really thought that much about it. I mean, I think we try to do a little good

here and there where we can, uh, on individual basis, but, uh, I have not thought of a bigger foundation.

I mean, I would like to do charitable things with TST, but I don't want to make it a revenue

stream because this person said you can pay yourself and, you know, there's plenty of, uh, charities

that take a lot of admin fees, which, you know, people have to do work, but I think what, what,

what we were discussing in two weeks ago was new revenue sources for us. Yeah. Not a charity

event that also acts as a revenue source for us. I don't, I don't like that. Yeah. I, I,

I don't want to do charity and then take a salary from right. I understand that is a thing that

a lot of people do. It wouldn't make me feel so great. I'm saying, if I can donate my time or

donate some money or sell a thing and give all the money away, you know, if, if we're going to do

something for charity, I don't want to keep any of it. Yeah. Um, it's a great thought. Um,

but I think I don't have time to run another business. Oh, that's a charity either. So like,

if we see, if we see something, we're going to try to do something and maybe Sergio has a way

that we could all do something together. Sure. Uh, for, for people tomorrow. Um, it's,

see, bit see, spider says, given that you can no longer order a spider new, just the RS,

if you're doing your box today, would you stick with the spider? Would you choose a GTS?

That's actually a tough question because I'd probably drive the car a little more if it was a GTS.

If I had the power top, I'd probably drive it more. There's times where I'm like, uh, I don't

want to deal with that occasionally, but I'd still, I think still going with the spider is probably

justified with that much power. The extra things that you get the higher starting point is worth it.

Plus it's a more special car. Oh, we already covered the FX pack question there. Uh,

double o slow. I'm considering a color change to my B7 RS4. Would you do a paint or a wrap? It's a

driver with 80,000 miles, uh, all in cost. What's the better value if I hold on to it for another

five years? I mean, you say five plus years. If you're doing five plus years, I, I would say you

need to call around and get estimates on both. That's what I did. I found out how much a good paint

job would be. And for me, getting it wrapped was cheaper and, you know, but getting a wrap that will

last five years, which my PPF wrap should is expensive. And depending on where you live, he's

talking about a color change paint job, right? Color change paint job means engine out, glass out.

Right. That's not a nose respray. That's also why I wrapped it because I wanted it to be green

and my engine bay is blue. Yeah. And this was a way I could just kind of do it, uh, without ripping

all that stuff out. So unless your cars, if your car is black, God bless you, you can do a color change,

the engine bay can be black. Yeah, yeah. But if the engine bay is red and you want a color change,

it, yeah. Um, if, if you're doing a full color change with the engine bay, I guarantee that that

will be over $10,000 because at least, oh, I think it would probably be 20. Yeah. Yeah. So to get my,

to get my car sprayed in LA, you know, by good people at OEM level, they said started at 15,

was going to be more like 20. And that was without color change. Yeah. So quality of work will vary,

your pricing will vary as well. But I would say call around before you say, I'm definitely doing one

or the other. Yeah. Um, yeah. And if the, if your paint is pretty good, like Zach's wrap really got

out of hand because the paint got out of it. Oh, the wrap got out of hand because your paint was

really bad. Correct. You had, you had like, your paint had cancer. Yeah. You know, if, if this is 80,000

mile driver paint, but a really good correction can make it smooth, then your wrap is $5,000.

$6,000. Not 10. Good point. And, and I would probably just do that. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't

spend too much on it because then you take it off and you've got an 80,000 mile paint job underneath.

It's not like you're protecting something that's precious. Yeah. I would also maybe consider getting

a factory respray. Hmm. Maybe this car color is just tired. And if you factory respray it,

it's not as expensive and it looks like a new car. And it's the right color. True. That's just

another, yeah, those are good options. Door C, maybe, I don't know. Travis Pastrana's primary care

provider. Do you think Travis Pastrana's like, man, we really need some universal healthcare in this

bitch. I think you might be the reason we don't have it because they're like, you will bankrupt

the whole system yourself. I think he's insurable. No, I bet he's not. I bet he's got a pocket.

I bet I bet I bet his contract with Red Bull or whoever includes. I'm sure I think, yeah, they

they're probably the best. I bet he's no fucking provider. Yeah, it's probably it's probably a

business. It's a capex for his company. They're like, all right, we got to have a hundred grand

every year to fix his body. Okay, every time I talk about my buddy's WRX, he immediately

corrects me and says it's not a WRX, it's an STI. That's that's both great and I'm so annoying.

I did that. Am I wrong? It's still a WRX, just the STI version. I don't see why that would be

different than calling someone's Mustang GT a Mustang. You are 100% right and also

you are ignoring the insecurity that this person has about this very specific issue

and you just may need to indulge them. Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?

Right. You are right, but if you fight this, your life will be worse. This is an insecure person

that can't handle you not recognizing that they bought the nicer ones.

The Muckwell's more expensive. Every time. Every time. All those things. Yeah, it is funny.

How I would love to know how old these folks are. I mean, it's not a WRX to STI. Oh my god,

you suck. That's so funny. That's interesting. Like if you say like, oh my Mustang,

people don't go, you mean my GT. They go, yeah, it's a Mustang, but for some reason.

All right. So let me think. Is there another one like that?

Yeah, I mean, you know, I'd be the most insecure. Like if you if you had a GT3 RS and someone said

he drives a 911, would you be, was that I think that person might be a little sensitive?

They might that might happen. I bet golf are 32 owners. I bet this is more, I mean,

it's the same thing. It's it's a trim level. Actually, that's even a better example.

If you have you buy the $50,000 version of the $20,000 car, right? Right.

If someone has a 458 special and they go, oh, he has a 458, that person's not going to get

shitty about it because you're being called rich either way. On the front. Yeah.

Likewise, anything above that. I wonder if Corolla, like you are, right?

G.R. Corolla, especially if you get the, what's the addition of the M? I forget.

Oh, the Marisa. Marisa. You know, if someone's like, oh, they have a Corolla and you have to

quit because you basically go, I spent 60 grand, not 25 Marisa, bro. Yeah.

Marisa. Yeah. That it is. It's a guy. That's how to really get fucking side-eyed at a party.

You want, you get defensive over it being a Marisa at a party. Even a party full of car people,

I'd be like, it'll go away. But it's car people, but it is funny that you can use the same name

to describe a car that's $25,000 that's financed by a college student or a engineer in his 20th

year on the job bought for his auto crossing, and he spent $55,000, you know? Yeah, but it's

fundamentally it's an insecure person who needs to make sure that everyone knows that they have

the better version of the cheap car. And that's what it is. So if you want to bother them, call it

a WRX or just call it an Impresa. I bet. See, yeah. See, it's not when the two of them are talking

to each other. It's when there's other people there. Of course, it's all, it's got it right. Yeah,

that's really funny. So funny. Yeah, scrolled out. Oh, sidebar, you know, Hannah has a new,

a new car obsession. And you're not going to believe what it is. STIs. No. Fiat pandas.

She wants a Fiat panda now. Of course, she can't have one because they don't make them here,

but she, she saw these things. The Fiat panda is basically the Corolla of North Central Italy.

Everybody's got one. Yeah. Uh, and, and as what is your, does she want like a new one? Really?

Yeah, like a, like the, the one that everybody has, like a 2022 or whatever the fuck,

like the little tall hatchback with all the cladding on it. Does she like all the cladding or less

cladding? I don't know. Pull up some pictures. I wasn't checking fucking redges to see what year

they all were. Oh, no. I mean, there's a variety of not this new. Oh, that's the new one. No, we

don't want that. No, scroll down. Not 2024. No, no, no, maybe it's like try like 2015, maybe.

Nope. No, even that's tune. Oh, oh, that, that, that one. Yeah. Which one?

The top left photo, like pretty much like that. Maybe that one and maybe a little older than that one.

That's like the, the one generation ago, 2020, 2015, it's only that whatever. All right. Uh,

she just likes it. Tall, tall little hatchback. She was like, we have those at home, Matt.

We have crossover everywhere. No, no, here's a what's not the size of this.

Not about the car. Oh, so, so dude, I had it. We had a really funny car moment in Verona.

We walk out of our hotel. Excuse me. We walk back to our hotel, which is on sort of an alley.

It's a nice hotel, but it's like a small little boutique-y 20 room hotel. So it's like down this

alley. Okay. So as we're walking back to the hotel, we call those hostels, Matt. Yeah, definitely.

There's a Mercedes GLE coupe parked in front of the hotel. And Hannah goes, oh my god,

what is this giant fucking car? And I go, I go, Hannah, you, uh, you've been contextualized.

Like, I like a backpacker. I'm like, yeah, there are four of these on our street. Yeah. That's

funny. And I'm like, this person, this person, this person, and this person all have them. They're all

like, you see four of these every single day on our street. We come to Italy and you refer to this as

a giant fucking car. See? Yeah. I was like, this is what happens. Yeah, that's really funny.

It depends on what's around it. Three days. For sure. I mean, we had the black series, uh, on that

drive trip. And I had to park it in this tiny town in France. And I was like, this car is too huge,

but then we're on the highway totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. So that was kind of a funny car content.

That's very funny. What is this giant thing? Because all the doors are small and old. Yeah. Yeah.

And it did look. You look huge. I'm sure because it is. It's a large vehicle. Yeah.

It's a large vehicle period. But then when you're surrounded by a tiny city that was a thousand

years ago for people that are on on on donkeys. Yeah. These are donkey-sized streets. These are not

GLE-sized streets. All right. That's what we got next. Fiat Pandas. Shout out to him.

James May was on to something. Fiat Pandas. Okay. Gravel trap hero. Vintage boliva versus

devil-diver reissue. Thoughts on vintage versus remakes. I mean, here's my thought. If you want to

use a watch as an everyday watch in normal situations, you don't want a vintage watch really.

Any vintage watch. They're just not as durable though. They might leak. They might, you know,

they might break. And there it's just, I wouldn't, I would get a new one that has the old vibe

if what you want is something to wear every day. If you're collecting vintage watches and you

wear it once or twice a month in a special situation where you know it's not going to get smashed up

then cool vintage. But I can't be trusted wearing vintage shit every day. I'll break it. It's

not for me. But I feel you. Whoa. Complicate and add weight. Found a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon final

whatever the fuck edition is an eye-watering $107,000. Is there an edition of car you can think

of that gets less value for money than that? That's got to be a 392 with every possible fucking option

on it. I mean, that's a tough question. Could you get less for more than that at $107,000?

It does indeed have a V8. Yeah. Yeah. It's a 392 with probably every off-road thing they make.

Yeah. And bronze and shit. I mean, you know, here's what's crazy for money. I bet early Hummer EVs

from the same price less value for money. Early lucids. Yeah. Yeah. Any early EV that just lost like,

you know, first it. Oh, and I'm not just to shit on it to shit on it. The first edition

Cybertruck because it was shipped without the things that made it different from the second edition

Cybertruck. Yeah. Anyone who bought full self-driving for $16,000, they got almost zero for their money.

Here's the funny thing about these jeeps. They hold their value shockingly well. I wouldn't be

surprised that if you got one of those, it's sticker price and sat on it and babyed it for a little

bit until they don't make the V8 one anymore, you'd get almost every dollar back. Yeah, probably.

Someone's always going to want, I mean, this is, look, the 392 was fun. That thing sounded great,

went fast and you have all of the Jeep off-road ability, which it has plenty of lots of torque,

probably a little heavier than the smaller engines, but that's a, that's a rad. And like years ago,

we drove the AEV V8 swap jeeps before they were putting them in there and they were selling really

well. It is a, I think it's a good combination of parts for the job that jeeps do well. Yes, and

it's just like the C7 ZR1. It's the dumbest, biggest, brashest, silliest version or the ACR

final edition. All of those were, have been fabulous investments if you got one, it's sticker.

So yeah, it's real stupid, but I bet you most of those people get their money back out of them

or at least most of it actually. NK says, if the Alpina B3 was available in the US, would it be a

popular option versus the M3 touring? And would you pick it over the M3 touring? I would rather have

an Alpina than an M car for road driving period. That's how I like to drive a little more with that

type of car. I mean, Alpinas tend to be softer sprung and more comfortable. Yeah. So I think for

that reason, I don't know if it would be more popular than the M3 because the marketing of the M3

and the market likes aggressive driving and drifting and stuff. But if you saw one of these,

you would know that that person is a true connoisseur. I would fuck with this Alpina B3. Yeah,

for sure. Looks very good. Good color. Anti-siliconciousness. Okay, that's cool. I'm about that.

Let's see. Finally ready to go to a big boy watch, budget of 10k. I love the heritage and

whimsy of the Silver Snoopy Speedmaster. Those are fun. Is that a safe place, safe place to park

that kind of money if not recommendations? Man, this is see, okay. If you want a speedmaster,

a Snoopy Speedmaster is a good place to park money. There are rare versions. They're always going

to be more desirable than the regular moon watches, which are much, much more common.

Like, I don't have a lot of other recommendations because watches are very personal. I mean,

if you like speedmasters, there's a bunch of different variants. If you're willing to buy one,

they do have a little bit of early depreciation so you can kind of save some money getting one second

hand as long as it's like totally legit. Rolex still is still a great place to park money,

but other brands are really coming up right now. A second hand grand saco is a great place to

park money. Right now, like mid-tier brands do like Panerai and Brightling and stuff like that,

second hand real cheap compared to their MSRP's, but it's such a personal thing. If you're going to

step up to a big boy watch, it's a five-figure watch. I can't tell you what you like, but if you like

speedmasters, I will tell you that the Snoopies are great and they're fun. They are whimsical. I do

like a Snoopy. Okay. Lane Myer K12 says a few years ago, I bought a well-equipped used 2017

base 911 with Pasm Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust. Why don't motoring journalists highlight its

value, especially in the used car market, over a 911 T. The T is a base model with some options

that few people will ever quote, need, like torque vectoring in thinner windows. The price

difference is huge. The value proposition is praise. Why so little value for the Carrera?

Now someone, I left this reply in, I don't do that very often, but for context, they said, if you

go to a good commentary reply, if you go back to Motor Trend car and driver, et cetera, from back in

those days, the base Carrera was actually universally praised. Do you remember that car? No.

The base Carrera with the manual in red is the car that I raced Mike Spinelli up the 33

for drive on NBC Sports. He was in a Camaro one Ellie and I was in that car and I personally

reviewed that fucking car really and said it was awesome. There you go. And as a matter of fact,

I think I did a TST video with it also. There you go. Don't come at me and say I didn't say that

shit was dope because I said that very fucking car was dope on television on and that means it's

real. No, that's amazing. That's incredibly ironic. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way,

the T, why is the T better now? Because the diff does make a difference when you start to drive fast.

That's right. Maybe most, maybe quote, most people can't feel a really good diff but fucking I can.

And a lot of good drivers can. Yeah. And money in money out, the T is the more enthusiastic

option and therefore the better buy. But yeah, I praise that car on the fuck. But respect,

it is a good car. He's not wrong that it's not that it's a good, it's a good car. It was a good

car. Yeah. It's funny that they brought up that exact car because I remember that very press car.

Okay. Let's see. Dish allusioned in Detroit. After the most recent street takeovers,

the 2 a.m. waking up my children. I'm having a hard time being positive about anything automotive.

The impact cars have had in our society is not good and I know you guys know it. Well,

it's goods and bats. There's goods and bats.

Uh, the question is should I raise a child to be an automotive enthusiast when I know it could

wreck them? That is a very, very question. Yes. Yeah. Like first off, maybe you wait and see if the

child shows interest in being an automotive enthusiast and if they do, you nurture the positive

aspects of it. And maybe if they don't show interest in being an automotive enthusiast, you don't

force it on them. That's an option. Yeah. I mean, ultimately you want to raise your child. And

I say this is someone without kids. I'm the perfect person to preach about this. Uh, to be a

responsible person, right? And almost like automotive, automotive enthusiasm is an interesting one

because similar to firearms like you can do damage if you use the hobby irresponsibly.

You can hurt other people. You can hurt yourself. But I think ultimately it's about raising

them to be a responsible driver and, you know, inform them why takeovers are stupid, dangerous,

et cetera, et cetera. Um, I mean, controlling youth is challenging. But like, I was in

escape boarding and drag racing when I was in high school. And there were ways to do that

relatively safely. And there are ways to do that shit recklessly and get in trouble, get arrested

or whatever. And just, I don't know, raise your kid to absolutely before there was street takeovers,

there was street racing. There was. And like, it's, it's not like young idiots haven't always

done dumb shit in cars. Um, you can, you can say, well, is it more dangerous to do donuts in

an intersection or is it more dangerous to go 150 miles an hour through red lights and it

would cross traffic like what's worse? Like there's always going to be people that are doing shitty

things with cars. You should teach your child to be responsible. I would say that the simple answer

would be take the number of car enthusiasts that are aged 16 to 24 right now and the percentage

of them that go to takeovers. Yeah. There's plenty of people that are not doing that. So make

sure your kid is one of the people that don't do that. Um, I don't really know anything about

that next one. Okay. Um, okay. Let's see. Zach clapping, clapping cheeks, clapping cheeks,

clapping cheeks, right? Bronco Raptors now hovering around 60 K used, which is a lot of truck

for the money. I live in Colorado and feel like it's good for the mountains. Would the Raptor be

your first choice for a fun off-roading or camping car? I saw a story that Ford just knocked

like 10 K off the MSRP. Wow. You don't hear that often about cutting prices on enthusiast vehicle

like that. Maybe, maybe the Raptor, uh, the, the, the Ranger Raptor, you know, was really eating

into a lot of it. I mean, the Bronco Raptor was very expensive. It was really, really expensive.

It was cool, but the price was a big yes. It's also been out for two years now, right? Um, I would say

sure answer no. I think for mountains, I think it's too wide and you don't gain any interior space

for that size. As I said, I think in the review and when I reviewed an H1 Hummer for Doug, like

the Raptor has the same, or the Raptor has the same footprint width wise as an H1 Hummer,

but you don't have the interior space of an H1 Hummer. Um, I'm granted H1 Hummer as a huge center

console, but like it's a small vehicle inside with this huge footprint. And in snow, you don't

really want the super wide tires unless you're trying to float above the snow. I think a, there's

so many rent trims of Raptor, or sorry, of Bronco, that would be excellent for what you want to do with

it that I don't think the Raptor is the move. Yeah. And if you really do want a Raptor,

you can get a brand new Ranger Raptor for that. True. Which I actually think might serve that

need a little better. Maybe. Maybe depends on if they want, I mean, the enclosed thing is nice

when it's snowing. You have to put a camper on the back, etc. Um, I just think that I think the

Raptor is great for California open desert stuff. We've said this before. Yeah. It's a

bottom water car. It's very wide for trails. So Colorado is probably a little bit tighter. I would

just go with Sasquatch or any of the other ones that they offer. Defender or defender would defender would

be nice. I mean, I realized there's a reliability thing. There is. But also it's fun. Defenders are sweet.

They're when they're working. Yeah. Really nice. Um, I accidentally skipped this nice cams one.

Okay. Oh, oh, okay. My nice cams. My brother's looking to replace his M235i with something he can

daily, but higher performing for five or so track days a year, leaning towards M2 competition.

Yeah. Is there better value that makes more sense? Must be automatic and have backseat and be

somewhat reliable for 50 grand automatic. Uh, is there any decent 911 with PDK for 50? Sure. I mean,

you could have a 997 Porsche with PDK 997.2 Carreras. Those are those are with the right options.

That's a trackable a few times a year. Plenty of cams came in a backseat. No, backseat. Sorry.

I also think that the M2's backseat has a pretty tall roof in the back. So it's more usable unless

you just have a good child seat for like a 911. I mean, look, you could get a Camaro ZL-1 with the 10

speed auto for that. And that's probably a thing. That's an exciting thing. I would ask real fast.

You should, you should take a stopover at SS1 LE before you go to the old roof. Maybe you're coming

from M235 and new to tracking. Uh, you could also get a Mustang Mach 1 with that same 10 speed.

That and that would be a real good time. That's such a good car. There's a few options there.

Yeah. But also the M2 competition is a lovely car. That would be a better track car than the Mach 1.

The Mach 1 is a better overall car, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But good, good options.

Okay. Melissa says I recently had my 07 Jeep Liberty service. And my mechanic noted that while

they're still in good shape, my tires are date coded June 2019, even though I purchased them new from

a reputable shop in July 2021. After some research, it seems this isn't all that uncommon.

I know you two have talked about the five-year rule for tires. Is that a hard and fast

rule for a commuter car in Portland, Oregon? That is a very good question. And you do not need

to worry. Your tires are probably fine. The five-year rule really starts to come into play when

you're talking about like sticky high performance tires where the tackiness will really decline

over time. For a Jeep Liberty, I think you could probably if the tread is in good shape and your

mechanic is looking at them and inspecting them for cracks, I think you could stretch that out

for another year or two or maybe even three as long as you keep an eye on them and are vigilant

about them. Obviously, you're vigilant about them. So you're not going to all of a sudden go,

oh, it's been 10 years. You're going to you're now going to check them, which is good. It's also

drier and the UV index is much higher here. Like, you know, it's selling California cooks,

paint cooks everything. I bet we dry out tires at a higher rate than someone up in the Pacific

Northwest. Yeah, also you're right. It is totally common for a manufacturer to ship a tire to a

retailer or a transfer warehouse where it then sits on a shelf for a year or two. And that's

totally a thing that happens. It drives me fucking nuts when it's like a sticky-ass R-compound tire.

And that happens usually for a client of mine, not for me personally. And I've actually returned

tires just they won't let you return them for that. That's not like you can't be like, I want

one with the newer one. I want the fresher milk. But I've just returned them for another,

been like, it doesn't fit and then just ordered another one and see it. Really? Yeah. Wow.

And I've gotten different tires. Wow. It's worked some half the time it works.

But Melissa, I wouldn't worry. You can drive on your tires. The fact that you're checking and you know,

it's fine. It's fucking annoying to buy a brand new tire that's two years old. And it's totally

common. Sucks. Yeah. Rage against the touchscreen. Pretty good. Pretty good. 7.5 out of 10.

Ooh, the next one's good too. Are the final years of the R35 GTR overpriced? Yes!

Yes! Yes! The market for non-NISMO versions seems not especially T-Spec or Skyline edition

in Bayside Blue. I'm interested in a 2020 or newer, but the asking price is in line with a 991.2

Turbo S. Honestly, production numbers. There's just selling so few of them. And it's the last, it's the

last, it's the last, they're just trying to get theirs while they can. I wouldn't fucking pay

that. No way. I agree. I think it'll be hard to keep that value. Yeah. And I mean, sure, a new

99 or a Turbo S is going to depreciate a little bit also, but it's, I think it's a superior car in

pretty much every way. So I would rather buy one of those. And here's the other problem. I bet you

those, those limited edition new versions, I bet 80% of them get parked with delivery miles.

And so if you buy one and you, you want to drive it, well now yours is the shitty one because all

these other ones have delivery miles. Right. Because some of the people are just collecting and

going to flip. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, the Bayside, I drove one that was Bayside. It looked

amazing, but I remember driving it and going for the money they're charging. This is basically the

same car as some of the previous years. Such, such tiny changes. And there's such big cars with

such small interiors. I just don't like driving them. Yeah. I don't, if you, if you love them,

like I get it, I do, I understand why people like them. But God, do I fucking think they stink?

I think, I think you have to be a huge Nissan fan or really into modifying them because they hold

up to model really well. But even then, so does a Turbo S. It's a better car to live with.

The greenhouse is better. I mean, it's a, I think, superior vehicle in every way. Yeah.

Dude, and if you've got 991.2 Turbo S money, that's like high, you know, but that's like 170 to

150 to 200,000 dollars. That's a bunch of money to play with. You're talking about legitimately

great cars, not just the Turbo S. You, you can buy a dozen legitimately great cars. Grant, you know,

yeah. Silence of the Lambo. Pretty good. Pretty good. What are signs of maturing as a car

enthusiast? What are signs of maturing as a car enthusiast? That's funny. When I started,

I can recall, I, I can describe my own personal, um, maturing into and then out of

Burble-Tune. Did you have Burble-Tune? No, that was loud. My vet was loud. My vet didn't have

Burble-Tune. I just had no kids. Didn't need it. Yeah. Um, when the F type came out.

Uh-huh. And went out factory Burble-Tune. Yeah. Loved it. Yeah. The greatest 10 years later, 2024.

I will roll my eyes and go, oh boy. Yeah. When someone goes by with a Burble-Tune.

Well, it became more common, which was annoying. It kind of, it became less special because you could

just add the tune to any beam. I mean, there's, you can literally get something called a gunshot

tune for like your, your B-58, which is dumb. Yeah. Um, I think we had a great commenter once

that said it. They were like, I had a gunshot tune and now I'm 29 and I think it's the dumbest

shit in the world. Like that is a clear sign you're maturing at. Yeah. Leaving the interior and or

air conditioning in your cars, not doing like interior delete or AC to wait or something like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, buying the, the shopping for the car that you, that you actually need and not,

you're, you're not, not race car for the street. I think not having a race car for the street

in general. Like your, your stance, your height, basically all these things that make you compromise

your driving 99% of the time. When you get rid of that, that's a big sign of it. Uh, and probably

not doing dumb shit like going to takeovers or doing burnouts or whatever. When you realize,

it makes you look like a huge loser. If you put your Instagram handle on the side of your car,

that is a weird thing. And I don't know if I've ever followed anybody from doing that.

You know what it's good for? I don't like it. It doesn't bother me. I just go, I don't know.

It's like a weird rolling billboard. But I don't know. So lame.

Unshit boxed. Do hard top convertibles generally have a more luxurious or quiet driving experience.

And are they on par with the equivalent coop? Good answer. And it's not, uh, no, not universal answer.

Right. Heavily depends on the hard top. Heavily depends on the soft top.

Like some, some retractable hard tops are really good.

Yeah, the RF is not. For example, that's a very loud car.

McLaren's retractable hard tops, the Ferraris, even GM with the C8 Corvette. Those are very good.

The mid engine ones look like the old BMW like four series ones, the Volkswagen,

the EOS, the EOS, like some of those four-seater retractable hard tops are not so good.

I think the tech has changed. I also wonder if there's an advantage where the mid-engine car has a

shorter roof to deploy. The distance is smaller. So there's just less, the lever is smaller, there's

less wiggle room, literally probably that helps the noise. And some of the high-end soft tops are

amazingly refined. What did we just drive that had a great? Well, not 9.11s have great. They have like

the three panel or whatever it is. Oh, the 9.11, we had the 9.11 T convertible and then I drove

the Aston Vantage Roadster, which has like seven layers and was actually quieter inside than the

coupe because it had the smaller air volume because it wasn't a hatchback. And the coupe had like a

carbon roof or whatever, and this was just all like putting up a hoodie. That's amazing. I mean,

I think material science has advanced now where we're in that situation, thankfully, but for a long

time, the coupe's from much quieter. Yeah. My, my, my spider's top has a one layer and it's a

little louder. It's a UV hoodie. Okay, I hate BRZs looking for a plus one for my BRZ. Okay,

a new daily driver, a budget of $55,000. I want a new, the new car would be mostly daily driven

occasional autocross and canyon driving. Right now, the front runner is a manual F80 M3

for the same price. There are any other supersadans in that price range other than the F80. Okay,

55 grand for a daily driver, occasional autocross and canyon drives. Okay, well, that's, I mean,

that's a, that's pretty good choice. F80 M3. You could also, like we spoke about before, you could go

M2 comp or M2 or Camaro SS1LE. Yeah, it's the L1. Yep. All of those same things. Same Mustang,

Mock the Mock 1 for sure. That's a great sweet spot. Can you get GT350s for 55 now? Yep. Yep.

That's so fun. GT350s, absolutely. You could get, um,

um, okay, uh, use C63s also. Oh, and those have a better 8 speed with the V8. So that was a

good time. Yeah, that is a good. Yeah, V8 C63 would be a route would be a real nice time there,

Clark. You have a lot of good options. It just depends on what engine note you want and how much

space you need really. Yeah. Yeah. Lot of options. Depreciated Germans are right there. Uh, okay.

Cat Ferra. That's a good name. Cat Ferra is pretty good name. Cat Ferra is pretty good.

I think I'm being haunted by 2010s eras Acura TSX Sport wagons. Yeah. I don't know why this is

happening to me because Acura only sold like 11,000 of these things, but I swear to God, I see them

two to three times a week. Are there any relatively rare cars you see often that stick out to you?

I need to tell you probably see the same three TSXs over and over. Um, there's a, I mean,

we live in LA so there's weird cars last longer here. I don't know about C over and over. Um,

there's a more Chrysler TC by Maserati's here that I'm normally seeing. That's true. I see a lot of

G wagon convertibles in LA more than more than you normally would. I saw two Pontiac vibes white

park next to each other the other day and I went which is a Toyota Matrix underneath. Yeah. And

that I don't see very often. That was very strange and that was very rad wood surprising. Um,

I'm starting to see uh, Fisker Oceans being driven by Ubers. Yeah. Someone sent us a message.

They were like, I'm seeing a lot of these in New York. Do you know, do you know why? Yeah. Do not know why.

Probably because some fucking company dumped them. Potem up for cheap and it's like leasing them for

like a hundred and fifty bucks a week or something to Uber drivers. Yeah, they probably bought them for like

four thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, and a lot of Uber drivers just rent their Uber car.

Imagine if you're Uber Bricks because it's the Fisker Ocean and you're just stuck in the middle of

the highway. I'm relying on that for a work vehicle. Yikes. No, thank you. Joe says, uh, for 30K,

would you rather own a GT 500 or a Z06? Z06? Uh, yeah. 30K doesn't get you much in GT 500 land,

unfortunately. Well, all the generations before the most recent are pretty bad in my opinion.

I think that's what you're getting. You could convince me that 2011. 2011 is the aluminum

block with the shorter gears. It's one year only. That's the best year. Yeah, but it still had

narrower tires. I didn't. Yeah, but the aluminum block was very high, but at 550 horsepower,

not 650. And it had shorter gears. So we never drove this one. That's the one I took on bull run.

And ultimately it, I think it was the best, most balanced of that. Like, it would spin the tires.

Sure. But it, it, it had enough breaks. That's, and it's in with a stupid long gearing.

Okay, shorter gearing. That has been plus. It was nice, but it had the aluminum blocks.

So it was lighter at the front end. It's basically a Ford, Ford GT motor in there. All right.

That's the one, but, but those are not $30,000. $30,000 is like shitty 07. Well, it's still iron,

it's the iron block. Narrow, yeah. And then I would go 06 because it handles better.

Even the supercharged one that had breathing issues, you could probably solve that. Yeah.

Okay. What do you think? One more than we call this? Yeah, we're out of 20. Yeah.

Most fun with fire. Maybe not. That's describing our city today. I recently came into a $100

E-46 convertible. Okay. Other than a manual swap, what mods would you do to $100 E-46?

The car is mechanically fine. The soft top works and it's completely stock. I repaired it after

the purchase myself. Wow. I mean, I wouldn't do much in a, a running driving automatic convertible

E-46 for a hundred bucks. I don't know. I think your money is worth. That's it. You got it,

that's called a daily. You have a daily. You could do a stereo because it's like I wouldn't do

performance mods because it's a convertible. Yeah. So who cares? I mean, you could do an intake if

you like the sound of it, but I would just do a stereo and call it a win. Well, if the top works

for a hundred dollars, I am shocked. Yeah. I was expecting to hear to read that the torque is not

worth. Or I guess maybe this person fixed it, but either way, like you're you're handy and it's just,

you have a sweet, cheap daily. Yeah. I might not even swap the trans. I might just, you know,

take my gift horse and go home. Our favorite BMW collector. Well, you know, Armin, he bought a,

he sold his E36 and two weeks later bought a new, I know I shipped it to him. Yeah. You know,

you know, can you, can you give me a quote from this? And I'm like, Armin, dude. You gotta stop,

buddy. I know he can't. Oh, man. Okay. One more. This is, this is an important one. We'll end on

this pigly, wiggly deluxe. I was discussing Leno's law with a friend and he told me if it passes,

you'll be required to have classic car insurance for the newly small exempted cars, but then I heard

Camisa say on a podcast that there's no such thing as classic car insurance. Camisa sponsored my

haggardy. Jason, or was he, or was it a semantics issue where he, if Jason wanted to be incredibly

pedantic about this? Well, even if he does, this is what haggardy's website calls their own insurance.

So I don't know. We'd have to listen to the show. Maybe before we comment and, and draw his

iron. Yeah, Jason's dirty paste. He's gonna call me again. He's gonna call me again at four o'clock

in the morning because, but he has a show for a company called haggardy. And that is the

classic car insurance that they do. So classic car insurance is definitely a thing to answer

pigly, wiggly deluxe's question. Is there such a thing as classic car insurance? And if so,

what is it? It's basically the difference is it's a greed value insurance, right? If you go by a new

Ford F-150 and you call up progressive and you say, I've bought a new 2025 Ford F-150,

here's the VIN number. They give you a quote, right? If you then get into a crash,

you don't decide the insurance company has decided what your car is worth because all

most all brand new cars are depreciating assets. And so the insurance company will decide what

your car has depreciated to at the literal point of impact. It's almost certainly going to be far

less than the MSRP and definitely far less than what you owe on your loan, okay? Classic car

insurance. Hello, haggardy. I have just bought a 1985 Lamborghini Kuntosh 5,000 QV. I would like to

ensure it for $700,000. And they go, okay. And then they tell you what the premium is based on that

price. And then if the car burns to the ground or gets totalled or gets stolen or whatever,

you get paid the full amount that you have declared and they have agreed that your car's value is.

Because of that, they won't allow you to ensure your daily driver that way because it's not

an appreciating or at least stable asset. And there's also a lot of other requirements to get,

like for instance, haggardy won't ensure a car that isn't kept in a secured garage. You can't

get collectors insurance for a car that's parked on the street, things like that. So there is there's

there's also I'm reading reading this in real time. So in March, car driver reported that the bill

had been updated that removed the requirement for insurance. So the proposed bill originally

required the eligible car collector cars to be insured, but that requirement has since been

removed. That was in March of 2025. It shouldn't be required because the law shouldn't just apply to

collectible cars. The whole point is that it's it should be broadly politically popular because

it's not just giving breaks to rich people on their collector cars. There are other people who

have to rely on their old cars for everyday transportation as well. And those people shouldn't be

held back from this because of the smog. Well, they would I mean, they would be required to have

insurance if you're driving the thing around, but not collectors insurance because you're not going

to get collectors insurance on your just your gardening truck. And especially if it's your only

vehicle, right? I can't get collectors insurance because I only have one car. Right. Yeah.

Thanks everybody. Come come join us tomorrow. We will we're going to talk about immigrants and

why they're actually our neighbors and not invading force in Los Angeles. And um,

love you. Stay safe. Welcome back. Bye.

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