News: Ford vs Cadillac vs Formula One Reality

Hey, guys, welcome to Overcrest.

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I feel like right off the bat, I have to ask you about your hat.

Is this Stolen Valor here, or what is this?

Stolen Valor?

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Vortex Veteran?

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Let's talk about the other thing.

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Oh, boy.

I want to get right into it, because we've got a guest in the lobby.

And there has been a lot moving in the Formula One world.

Have you been noticing, Jake?

Have you been noticing?

I have.

I've been hearing the buzz.

Now, this is a rare case where I'm not an expert.

Rare case, rare case.

I wanted to bring in someone who is.

There's a first for everything, Chris.

First for everything.

We found somebody that's more of an expert in their field than I am.

Charles Bradley.

He's the editor at DuPont Registry.

And before that was global editor-in-chief of Motorsport.com.

I couldn't think of anybody better to talk about Formula One with us.

How's it going, Charles?

How are you?

Yeah, good, Chris.

How are you, Jake?

Good, good.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you.

It's we're missing you.

We had a little bit of a connection problem.

We're missing your handsome face.

So everybody's just going to have to look at Jake and I.

Or maybe I'll just put like a picture up of you.

Well, Charles, I mean, he looks like a younger Brad Pitt meets like David.

Yeah, plus the accent.

Very accurate description.

So one of the things that I think is really funny in this in this F1 saga so far is I love this.

We had Haas come in in 2016, which kind of felt like an American team, but not really

because they just make CNC machines.

Just make.

They're amazing.

Okay.

Lots of companies use Haas, but it didn't feel like it wasn't a manufacturer.

Not a manufacturer.

So there's like, there's a spat that's starting to happen in the, in the formula and world

between the American manufacturers.

And Charles, I want to, I'm going to read through a couple of quotes here, one from GM,

CEO of the Cadillac team and then one from the Ford, Ford team.

And then I kind of want to get your thoughts on it.

So let's, let's start with GM.

This is an exchange between Dan Torres and, and, and Ford executive Bill Ford.

Uh, blah, blah, blah.

Dan Torres says, um, talking about Ford's partnership with Red Bull as superficial

saying it's not even close.

One is a marketing deal with very minimal impact while GM is an equity owner in the Cadillac team.

They're deeply embedded from an engineering standpoint and they were involved from date one.

Those two deals couldn't be more different.

Basically comparing Cadillac and what Ford is doing over at Red Bull.

Ford executive chairman, Bill Ford fired back expressing disbelief at the characterization.

Oh, can you just imagine how offended he was?

Like some like assistant came in, like walked into his office.

I was like, sir, did you hear what Cadillac just said?

And I'm just imagining it back.

When you saw Ford versus Ferrari, they're all like smoking in these rooms and stuff like that.

Yeah.

She would have slammed down like the printed out paper of the, of the press release.

Did you see this?

Ford fired back expressing disbelief at the characteristics saying characterization,

saying I would actually say the reverse is true.

They're running a Ferrari engine, which has got to be like the biggest slight ever.

I cannot believe that Cadillac and maybe Charles, when I finished with this quote,

you can tell me why they're running a Ferrari engine.

Cause I don't understand.

You would think that over the last like 10 years, if they wanted to do this,

they would have had like a black box in a room where they're building an engine.

I cannot believe Cadillac is running a Ferrari engine.

Just throw their LT one in it.

Just put the Corvette motor in it and it'd be fine.

They swap it, everything else.

They're running a Ferrari engine.

They're not running a Cadillac engine.

I don't know if they have any GM employees on the race team.

Nothing could be further from the tooth in terms of our partnership with Red Bull

being a marketing effort.

Okay, Charles, what is going on with this rivalry and why is it happening?

What's happening?

Well, first of all, it's hilarious, obviously, to have these high powered executives

having some kind of schoolboy spat in the school yard and throwing these

accusations at each other when they're both spending tens and hundreds of millions of

dollars on Formula One with their respective programs.

And they kind of both right in a way because obviously Ford are doing it

very much like they did.

I think almost when you go back to the Cosworth, the FV days,

when they dominated Formula One for like the best part of a decade

and every car had one of those engines in, they used Cosworth.

They used the English engine tuner, actually built the engines and made them

so good that everybody.

Does that really count as Ford though?

Well, yeah, it was completely Ford batched the whole thing.

There was Ford batches on the like the TIRLs and everything.

So there was only Ferrari was the only other sort of engine producer back in those days.

So it's very much like that, that they're using Red Bull power trains in the UK as the

engine builder, let's say.

And then obviously what Red Bull wanted to do because these new regulations

define there's a 50-50 power split between the internal combustion engine

and the electronic electrical hybrid system.

So obviously Ford's pretty good with their ERS stuff that's already in their road cars and

sort of, you think to the F-150 light nins and stuff like that.

So there's definitely a back and forth between the two sides.

Is it fair to say to you think, hold on, Rivian?

Is there any Rivian tech in the Red Bull form of the one car?

Doesn't Rivian and Ford, didn't they work together form like a little bit of a partnership

or something?

Or am I thinking of, they did, right?

Yeah, I don't know.

Gosh, that's going way back.

I'm trying to remember.

But that's the thing.

Well, where does the IP start and finish?

Because last year Red Bull powertrains were partnered up with Honda.

When they won World Championships together, it was Honda badges on the engines,

very slightly different engines, obviously with a lot less hybrid power involved.

But that's the thing.

It's a partnership.

It is, as terrorists say, it is more of a marketing deal and the Cadillac option,

which is to start a team from scratch, do everything yourself.

But because of the way the engine cycles are at the moment, they missed the option to come in for

2026 to build their own power plant, which is why they're using a customer Ferrari,

which is just like Haas are doing exactly the same.

And there's other teams as well that use the Ferrari engine.

But what they've done, they've spent, I would say they've spent a phenomenal

more amount of money than Ford has because they have started this team from scratch.

They've built huge facilities up in Fishers, Indiana, obviously in the UK as well,

because they realized you can't do this unless you're spanned across the Atlantic.

And yeah, you're talking hundreds of very, very expert staff building these incredible cars

where all the pieces and parts are built from scratch, apart from the engines,

and in some cases, the gearboxes.

So yeah, it's kind of one all, I think.

They've both taken a stance on it, and they're both correct,

but it's just fun to sit back and just give me the popcorn.

I want to see this rumble on just like we've seen with Camaro versus Mustangs,

do we?

Our truck's better than yours, all that.

I was going to say.

Yeah, like Transamp, right?

Are you saying then, so Cadillac is running the Ferrari engine, do we have the playbook

for the next engine?

So does Cadillac basically have a year to develop an engine?

Is that kind of how this cycle works, or how does the cycle work,

and how long do they have to develop it?

They've changed it around a little bit, and I think it's 28 is the next option for them to come in.

But they are building their own engine facility.

I know for a fact, because I was in North Carolina in Charlotte,

and near Hendrick Motorsport, they're building a really big engine facility there,

and the plan is to build a Cadillac F1 engine right there.

Obviously, there's a lot of expertise knocking around those parts from NASCAR and all the other

racing that goes on in North Carolina.

So that will be fascinating to see how that opens up, because that's the big thing about

these new rules for 2026.

They are a vastly different engine.

So the engine only provides half the power.

Now the hybrid system produces the other half of the power,

and how that's deployed, and how it all works together with the turbo.

It's going to be huge in terms of that.

And that's going to give everyone else a two years head start on them, really.

So they've been developing their own car in isolation kind of thing.

So they might have a little bit of a jump start on the opposition when it comes to aerodynamics

and things like that, because they've had more time to prepare this car, hence them using the

the Ferrari engine for these at least two years.

Can I ask you, Charles, with the philosophy of this change to the 5050 power delivery of

internal combustion and hybrid, is this the regulating body trying to make it closer to

road car tech, or trying to make things?

Why are they dictating that this must be the case?

And that's a very general question, I think, with all motorsport regulating bodies.

What is their rationale for this specific regulation?

Yeah, it is a little bit of that.

Something else they're bringing in this year is the synthetic fuels as well,

which is going to be a very big deal.

But they really want to put the emphasis on that sort of battery powered technology coming in,

so that it does reflect the road car market.

At the end of the day, the stakeholders, as Tarris mentioned, Cadillac is now one of those

going more hybrid, going more electrically powered in terms of the power output,

is a big deal for them.

And that's why they're always, and Formula One's always adapts to what's going on in the whole

road car market.

But yeah, it's just going to be fascinating.

They've got to be feeling a little bit of whiplash now then.

Yeah, with that, with all the, it's got to be hard.

Well, back in the day, obviously, Formula One was like the technology setter,

and now there's parts of the automotive world where the OEMs on the road car side are way ahead.

Rivians are a fantastic example of how a company's just taken a road car product and probably gone

beyond where anybody on the F1 side could comprehend the systems they're doing.

So this is almost like a catch up on that side.

So this is very much Formula One trying to be more relevant and keep that sort of,

all the OEMs want to be able to say that there's technology transfer between

their race program and their road car products.

And I think that's become increasingly difficult with the turbo hybrid era.

And now they're just trying to counter that by bringing in the more emphasis on the hybrid side

of the equation.

So they wrapped a 350 kilowatt on the MGU side.

Can you imagine the guy that watches a NASCAR race?

He sits down, he watches a race at Daytona.

You know, a week later, he sits down and turns on the TV and there's a Formula One race,

and he goes, holy shit, there's a Cadillac.

And the announcer at the Formula One race talks about them running a Ferrari engine.

Can you imagine what that dude is going to throw his beer through his TV?

It's not going to be, I feel like the American audience that's going to be exposed to this,

and they will.

There will be fans of other motorsports that are going to come and see this for the very

first time and see that Ferrari engine.

And I don't think they're going to get it.

I think there's a little bit of danger there.

Yeah, I think, well, let's face it, for a long time,

America didn't really care that much about Formula One, did it?

Certainly not from a mass populace or mass sports populace, let's say, point of view.

The fan base has grown almost exponentially, which is why Cadillac and Ford have realized

they've got to jump on this train before it pulls out of the station.

They see this as a good opportunity to do that because it's a regulation overhaul season.

And even if they mess up, they've at least got the chance to regain ground later on.

And they've also got an excuse because it's almost unprecedented that the first F1 testing

that takes place at the end of January is going to be behind closed doors.

Literally, no one's going to have any visibility of what actually happens

because they expect the cars to break down so regularly

that they don't want anybody to see it.

So that's how big a change these new cars are going to be.

They're going to have five, the opportunity to run across five days,

but they're only allowed to run three days of it for each manufacturer.

So yeah, it's going to be a big deal.

From a fan perspective, don't you think that would be like the most entertaining thing,

though, is seeing these cars run for the first time?

You can't, though, Jake. It's PR, dude. It's PR.

It's just like, remember back in the day when you had,

there was, it was Gran Turismo and it was Forza.

And then there was Need for Speed and Porsche would not put their cars in Forza

because there was crash.

There was crash damage to the cars.

And you couldn't put the, the, the Porsche didn't want to show their cars being damaged.

So they didn't have, they, they didn't sign the license over.

EA got the license because it was arcade.

Dude, PR perception is, is insane.

And I'm, I wonder, are we going to see some of that in Drive to Survive though?

You know, like after the fact, Netflix, I feel like has, no?

Yeah, it'll be interesting if the, they're all excess goes to a behind closed doors test.

I mean, that'll make some fascinating viewing.

But I'm, you know, I'm old enough to remember when you probably are old enough to remember

when F1 cars used to break down, you know, you know, races were decided by cars,

you know, stopping and blowing up on track.

You know, recent, recent era formula one, they just don't,

they just finish almost 100% of the time.

So the fact that this, there's such a big change is coming

and how it's going to manifest itself on the, on the racing side is,

it is going to be quite fascinating to see.

And part of me thinks that the fan base is going to be really ticked off,

that they're not going to be able to see this, these first tests because,

you know, what's going to happen, especially in a social media age,

there is going to be, oh, this is just, oh no, this car can't do more than,

you know, two laps together.

There's going to be so much horseshit thrown out.

And then you're going to have to try and, you know, put, put together which of it's

actually the truth and then see what happens when they do the proper testing

that's going to be in Bahrain in, in February.

Do you think this, you know, Ford Cadillac and Audi's involvement is pretty new here?

Is this a turning point for Formula One in America?

Do you think this is, this marks it where it finally becomes a real

something outside of Netflix?

People really start to take notes.

Yeah, I think it's a huge step.

It's basically part of a, a glide path.

If you like, you know, you've had this sort of register,

you've seen this uptick of interest when Formula One opened up its social media

and drive to vote to survive came along just as, you know, everyone got sick

and got locked down and forced to watch it almost.

And then, you know, they got attached to personalities that were involved

and they liked the behind the scenes stuff of people griping and, you know,

and the whole Ford Cadillac hating each other will be another element to that.

And then that's, you know, that's, that's manifested itself, isn't it?

Into these, these giant OEMs, the biggest, you know, manufacturers in America,

you know, jumping in with both feet.

You know, we've obviously seen Ford do that before.

And, you know, the irony is not lost on me that Ford sold the team it's now

collaborating with for $1, because remember it used to be Jaguar Racing

and like in the early 2000s, they sold the team to Red Bull for $1

because they sucked so badly.

Now they're partnering back up and it's got, you know, hundreds of millions

of dollars involved to get back on that team just as the engine partner.

So that's, that's another little bit of fun to throw in there.

So we did get some sound for these cars.

Have you heard them, Jake?

Have you?

Maybe I've seen some.

I've not.

I mean, yeah.

No, we have, we have the Cadillac, which is the Ferrari.

Uh, for, for our, for our Delac Cadillari, the Cadillari, Cadillari.

And then we have the Audi F1.

Mrs. Producer, play, play the Cadillac clip for us, please.

There it is.

That's it.

Okay.

Um, people are really hyped up on this sound.

It's got a little bit, I think you can hear the, the electric motor

were in a lot louder than it did before.

Obviously it got, you've got internal combustion engine.

You've got, uh, let's start, what's that spinning out up to about 9,000 RPM.

You've got turbos in, in there that's going to spin to a, you know,

over a hundred, probably a hundred thousand RPM.

And then you've got this 350 kilowatt, uh, electric motor spinning round as well,

straight into the gearbox, providing half the power.

So hence that noise has become a little more futuristic.

Let's say over, over the previous just engine noise.

Jake, do you remember talking to the Cayman GT4 guy from Porsche,

where they had that electric Cayman?

Did you listen to that episode?

I think he was saying like some of that whirring sound is like the

straight cut gears that they have coming off motors.

Like some of that is like a motor.

Electric motor is not other than, yeah, the bearings.

There's not really much to it.

All right, Mrs. Producer, play the Audi clip.

Way more pronounced on that, the electric sound.

I think that depends where, where, where your microphone's being positioned,

because what's going to happen with this?

I mean, if you, if you watch F1 races, you'll often see them flashing the red lights.

The, the rain lights will come on at the end of a straight,

and that's because it's harvesting into the, into the battery.

What's going to be a big deal this year is how you do that,

because they're going to power some of the battery,

some of the batteries actually going to be charged via the engine,

because there's so much power that needs to be recycled.

It's going to be a lot more pronounced.

So if you think about it before, it was let's say a 75%, 25%

internal combustion engine, electric hybrid split.

Now it's 50, 50.

You've got that when it comes to harvesting as well.

So when they slow down at the end of a, when they get to an end of a straight,

normally it would have just taken the electric power away.

You lose a little bit of power, but not really that much.

Now you're going to probably ask the engine to charge the battery too.

So you could get a situation where cars are going to get to the end of the straight

and really slow down.

So you will certainly either hear the electric motor there,

and then that will suddenly cut out, and then it's just back down to half power.

And that could be at the end of a straight when they're doing 200 miles an hour.

So you could get some really funky kind of closing speeds and stuff like that.

So how those deployments are going to happen,

and with all the simulation tools that they've got,

there's a ton of stuff that could go on that could really impact the race.

And that's before we've got onto the point of active aerodynamics,

because that's new for 2026 too.

You know, the drag reduction system, remember the rear wing used to pop open

when you're within a second of a car.

Well, now you've basically got these modes.

The car can be set in straight modes where it's got the front and the rear wing both

will pop open and reduce drag.

They've got a corner mode.

They've got a boost.

They've got an overtake setting.

They've got a recharge setting,

which obviously it's going to bring in the extreme recharging

that could make the car slow down quite a lot.

So there's a ton of other stuff that's in play here.

And how, you know, which team masters that first

could have a really, really big advantage going at the start of the season,

for sure, before everyone else, you know, sees what's going on.

Charles, this sounds lame.

Why can't we just let the guys drive the stupid car?

Whoever can drive the car, as it's set up, the best should win the races.

Now, I know that didn't lead to like a ton,

like if you look back to like the Ferrari Schumacher era,

which everybody like absolutely nostalgizes, right?

And I've watched, I've gone back and watched the races were kind of boring, right?

So they, because there was just no, no, no DRS or anything like that.

But this still, I feel like this is just, okay, we've got a button here for this.

We've got a button for that.

It's, it doesn't seem like the natural extrapolation of a car that,

I mean, I know it's just like the crazy tech and it has to, I don't know.

Again, well, I'm old enough to remember when guys shifted,

guys could miss a gear and passes happen because people missed the shift.

Let's money shift, bring money shifts back to Formula One.

Make Formula One great again.

Okay. I want to see, well, I was going to say two things, you know,

it's interesting because you talk about like how they're trying to make it closer to,

you know, what is relevant and production vehicles and at least make it somewhat associated.

Put a CVT in it.

Well, oh yeah, or like, oh, how about the infotainment screens now on Red Bulls car?

Yes, maybe they can get an ad surf to them as they're driving around.

They could, would you like a Red Bull and it's like, or the other drivers, you're in,

oh, you're like a host car, and your wing pops up for DRS, but it's just an ad.

Joking aside, it is interesting how like all of these different,

like the dynamic arrow situations, that is, couldn't be further from, you know, a road car

and kind of the technology.

I don't know. Look, like, look at the P1 or some of the other cars with their active arrow.

Cars have an active arrow.

Yeah. If you, if you're in a seven figure territory, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

Alex Nelson's M. Coop.

He put active arrow on his.

Yeah. I mean, technically, most modern cars have active arrow because like the grille slats,

that like, like open and closed for aerodynamics.

Well, that was invented in the early 19th or early 20th century to cool your radiator.

Right. But I'm saying like, yeah, the, my new truck has like the little grille will open and

shut in the Macan is that anyways, that's a stretch for having like a DRS mode in your

I know. I just, I just want, I just want more driving.

I would love if they would just shift.

Just make them shift.

Give them a clutch pedal.

Yeah, ban the pedals.

You know, but that's not, that's not, that doesn't translate to today's cars.

How many cars today's are sold with a manual trans?

I drive a shift.

What is it? 1.5%, 3%?

I drive a stick.

Yeah. Well, I do too, but I do too.

Um, okay, so I want to, I want to play a few clips.

We were kind of, you know, we kind of go, oh, that sounds kind of neat, right?

The, the sound of those two vehicles sounds neat.

But I want to remind you that you will never have the best meal you have ever eaten

ever again.

I don't want you to forget what they took from us.

Mrs. Brucer, play the next clip.

I should have given a headphone warning.

I turned the volume on this way down, but

Oh.

Oh my God.

This thing is scooting.

This thing is absolutely scooting.

And then there's, there's like another like small clip here.

We'll practice stuff.

Oh, don't.

Yeah.

You get those tires warmed up, you know?

Definitely.

Jeez.

A little sketchy there.

And a round of applause.

Very fitting.

Yeah, you got a round of applause.

In, in 20 years, do you think that this

Cadillari thing is going to go to Goodwood and people are going to clap?

That's straight after a, you know, V10 or V12 has gone up the hill.

Oh man.

I mean, it's, it's, it's tough.

I don't know.

What do you think, Charles?

Charles, did we lose you?

No, I'm still here.

Sorry.

What were you asking?

Oh, sorry.

I was, what do you think of this, the sound obsession that people have?

Yeah.

This, the obsession with sound, with these cars.

Is it, are we just, is it nostalgia?

Are we living in the world of nostalgia?

I mean, it does sound pretty good.

It gives me goosebumps.

The other ones didn't.

It is absolutely nostalgia.

But if you think about the triggers for when you first heard those kind of engine noises,

I remember going to my local track, which was Alton Park in northeast England.

And they had a series that had Kanam cars from the early 80s.

So you'd have big stock block Chevy V8 noises.

And there was like a, there was like a brick, just before he got to the entrance,

there was like a brick wall.

And the track is literally on the other side of the brick wall.

And you could hear them go past.

And it was like, I know I'm coming to something big when I can hear something making that good a noise.

And then I recall going to F1 testing at Silverstone, you would hear a high revving V10 from at least two miles away.

Just put your window down as you're driving towards the track.

And you could hear the, you could hear the gear shifts, you know, from probably two miles away.

That's how noisy those cars were.

And I've definitely lost a good degree of my hearing ability.

Thanks to certainly one, one day I was in the garage.

It was Stuart Grand Prix.

So you're talking early, very early 2000, maybe end of the 90s.

And they just started a Jan Magnussen's car in the garage.

And it went nuts.

The laptop started up obviously at a glitch or something.

And it just went straight to the rev limiter.

I was in a sort of tin garage and the noise that made

my head didn't stop shaking for about two hours afterwards.

It was nuts.

It just went straight to like 16,000 RPM.

Like, and I've never, my hearing has never been the same since I should sue.

I've only heard a V10 one time and it's not even a real one.

It's the Judd V10 that they put in these things when they want to go run them somewhere.

And they want to go take them vintage racing or something.

They'll, they'll run a Judd V10 in that.

And even that thing is, I remember standing at the, the straight at road America,

right up on the wall, you know, you got your little press pass and you're like,

Hey, this was great.

You got your, I had my phone in my hand and I'm filming this thing as it goes by.

And I literally dropped my phone and went like this and covered my ears because it was so

obscenely loud and you feel it.

It's just like this.

It's in your neck.

It's in your chest.

You just kind of feel it go by as this kind of grabs you like this.

Oh man.

It's really something.

And there's, I feel like you could probably survive standing next to the,

the, you know, one of the next to the track when these other things go by.

No, it was, it was co-op.

Again, I'm old enough to remember my first formula one race in the flesh,

1993 European Grand Prix at Donington Park.

You might remember Senna's first lap there, but that was an era when you had V8s,

you had V10s and you had V12s.

The Ferraris were V12s.

That sounded absolutely awesome.

So you could turn and look away from the track and you could tell which sort of that

V-Evention was going past and it was, and that was cool.

What period is better, Charles?

Modern or that, you know, I didn't live that, you know, what, like,

can you be, can you even be objective in this analysis?

Probably not at all.

I think just having, having lived through that when you, the perception was it's better,

you know, everything was better back then, you know, I had more hair then.

You know, I was a bit younger.

I could probably run a bit faster than I can now.

So everything was great back then, wasn't it?

The races were probably won by, you know, a lap or something like that.

The gap on the grid was probably a second between every single car on the grid or something like that.

But, you know, it was, it was a lot more analogue, a lot more, you know, manual,

you know, people were shifting and stuff like that.

And it was, even though probably back in that day, there was still quite a bit of aerodynamics,

active suspension going on back then, even then it didn't seem to detract too much from,

from the sport, even though I'm sure at the time, if you read the, the motor sport press,

they're probably saying exactly the sort of negative connotations they are today

about active arrow and stuff like that that's going on.

So yeah, having, having lived through it all, it was great to have all the different noises,

all the high revving stuff, but it was really hard to sit down, watch the race and have a

conversation with your buddy next to you, which is definitely doable now with the V6 turbo era,

because they're just not as loud. And, you know, there's, there's all the sort of sound emissions

and all the sustainability messaging that goes along with every single sport these days.

Just, just times change, don't they? Times change.

So you can't, can't always look in the rear view mirror or then you, then you lost forever, aren't

you? That's, that's true. It's, it reminds me of whatever generation thinks the previous

generation's music is terrible, of course. Nobody makes good music today, right?

But if you want to, what you can do is go and see your favorite bands from whenever it was,

you know, I'm going to go and see Interpol in a couple of weeks time, you know, and it was that

now 20, 20 odd years ago, 25 years ago since they, they started on the scene. You can always go and

watch historic racing, you know, go to the Rolex Monterey reunion and you'll see and hear plenty

of awesome cars, you know, playing the same soundtrack, you know, might be driven, might be

driven not quite as enthusiastically as it was back in the day, but there's still a lot to,

lot to enjoy there. It's kind of though, it's kind of like a girlfriend experience versus having

a real girlfriend though. You know, you know, it's kind of not real and it doesn't really mean

anything. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely that. Yeah, it's, it's, I would

definitely, it's not like, but it's not like we can invent a time machine and just hop in and go back

to, you know, Silverstone on the day back in, you know, 1990 or whatever. So it is what it is.

Charles, thanks for coming to hang out with us, man. Make sure you hang on afterward and let

your thing finish uploading since your connection is a little bit slow. We really appreciate you

hanging out. Thanks for the insight and the input and I think we should have you on for a full

episode. Sounds like there's some stories to tell. Yeah, for sure. Thanks guys. Enjoyed it.

Take care. Bye-bye. Jake, did you see Red Bull's reveal?

I did. Well, I saw like a clip of it with the airplane. Yeah, let's Mrs. Producer play.

This is awesome. I want to hate on this, but I just can't. Like this is the most Red Bull

reveal of all time. Is it not?

It is. Yeah. And then the plane takes off going straight up, of course, but the reason I played

that clip is because I wanted to play the next one, which you may not have seen, which is Williams

reveal from like 20 years ago. I know what this is.

This is awesome. Can we bring this back?

Oh my gosh, what a trap.

This is like a ridiculous, ridiculous livery reveal.

That's just okay. The spice girls. Okay. The spice girls. Which do you prefer?

I don't know. I don't either. I'm not a spice girls fan, but like I like it because it adds

like another dimension of the formula one thing. I did not know we were not going to be able to

see testing though. That is a big deal. I did not know that that was not happening. By the way,

Jake, I would like to point out that a few years ago, you thought Cadillac had no race cars

whatsoever. Do you remember that? Okay. Well, it's

he's got nothing. He's got nothing. I knew they had the Daytona prototypes, but that's

hardly a race car at the time. I don't know. Well, they had the CTSV LMS cars.

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, Jake, the Daytona prototypes that endurance race. Boy, that's hardly a race car.

Tell me about Nokia and before I start just ripping into you.

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They are literally the inventor of the winter and snow tire with the Haka Polita series.

They also have their newest tire, the AS01, which is an all season high performance tire,

which is basically set apart specifically for drivers who want the most out of their cars.

They should have put these on that, on that car that was that V10 thing.

That thing didn't have any traction. It should have had some Nokia and tires.

No, it definitely did not. I was seeing that. That probably had like 10 year old rain tires on

it at the time. I doubt it. I bet they put new tires on it.

I actually did. Didn't Red Bull, speaking of Red Bull stunts, they did like an ice racing thing

with one of their F1 cars with studded tires. Oh, yeah. Maybe those were Haka's. Yeah.

Maybe. Who knows? Probably not, but they should have. Well, we all know how unpredictable roads

can be, especially here in the Midwest in the winter. So what, whether you're on the AS01 or

a Haka Polita, Nokia offers great tires for any situation. Come with 55,000 mile warranty.

They also offer Nokia's tires, pothole protection. So if you're having a damaged tire baron here,

Nokia will replace it for free. Check it out at nokiantires.com. Chris, I'm kind of disappointed.

Speaking of formula one noises that you didn't mention. And I don't know if we've ever talked

about the Red Bull blown diffuser era and the sound of that. Oh, do you know what I'm talking about?

Just that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't sound good, though. It's not something I need to remember.

It was very cool, though, the technology of it. I like. Yeah. I like the echo. Anything that like

skirts the rules. I love it. I like anything that breaks the rules or skirts the rules I'm here for.

Yeah. Absolutely. Did you see the formula one movie with Brad Pitt?

I did. I did. Yeah. Yeah. It's awful. My favorite part is our friend Patrick Long was portrayed

as like the guy that didn't know what he was doing and Brad Pitt had to come in and show him how to

drive. Did you see that? Well, it wasn't it wasn't necessarily that as he Brad Pitt was okay or Pat

was okay. And then, you know, the last leg of the of the Daytona was run by Brad Pitt, who is

clearly a better driver than Pat Long. But you see the credits and Patrick Long is one that actually

did all of the driving for sure. So it's like, yeah. Yeah. What's interesting is, is the announcers

like Will Buxton or whatever has to explain because they they're trying to make this movie

accessible to everyone and rather just make it a good movie, they have to be like, oh, and this

is a formula one lap. Now, they are going to switch to these tires when they switch to these

tires. This is what and they like over explained. They use the announcer to over anyway. I was

sad. I guess I didn't even realize that. But yeah, I mean, it's sad. What do you expect? It was I

expected. I gosh, I want someone to release a movie that's just an accurate portrayal gritty dark,

like not just like a movie version of Drive to survive. Kind of that's what it felt like with

the drama. Yes, it was. We're way behind on a review of this. But I was it was kind of I was

kind of bomb. I just the fact like, how realistic is it that he's supposed to be how old in the

movie? It's like his reaction time would be nowhere near just any I don't care about that. I don't

care about that. I mean, no, no, I don't care. That's so not realistic having the older guy there.

I know. But that's kind of like a story thread that can be pulled. I just didn't like the way

that the they constantly over explained technology and stuff like that. I mean, not everybody knows

like you and I know, but still it got to this level of being pedantic that it was just like, oh,

my gosh, come on, you're right, though. It was Drive to survive made into a drama sort of. Yeah.

Okay, it was meant to capitalize on that. I'm sure lots of women went to see that in video,

the GPU company that makes yeah, that go in my computer. Gosh, do you know that? Have you seen

the prices of memory and GPUs has gone crazy? No. Oh, man, Nvidia unveils self driving car tech

as it seeks to power more products with AI. Nvidia has unveiled a new artificial intelligence

platform aimed at self driving vehicle technology making better. Speaking of the consumer electronics

show technology conference in Vegas, Nvidia chief executive Jensen Wang in his iconic leather jacket

said the company believes autonomous vehicles are entering a new phase of development.

Quote the chat GPT moment for physical AI is here. Wang said which is a bold claim bold claim

because what was the chat GPT moment for AI prior prior? Well, do you have an answer, Jake?

No, what I don't know. I don't know. So my thought is that prior to chat GPT AI was something that

was just kind of nerdy. It was nerdy. It was done in the background. Like nobody knew what a language

model was. Nobody knew anything. No, it was like just so not usable by anyone. So the chat GPT

moment for physical AI is here, which is AI in a physical thing. This in this case cars. When

machines begin to understand reason and act in the real world, Robo taxis are going to be the first

to benefit. Before we play this next clip, I think doing cars is probably the best step to do

because I can't think of too many things. I was trying to think of things that would be harder

for a physical AI to do than navigate roads filled with human beings. And I can't think of

it. I was like, is what about a robot doing surgery? That's what my mind went to instantly,

but it's a focus thing. There's, I mean, you're doing one thing, you've got a specific task,

you're doing the surgery, you're not having a ball roll into the street while you're doing

surgery. Nobody's throwing a ping pong ball into the open heart surgery that you have,

right? So it's a very like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's just not that many unpredictable

things. Imagine that's like the test case, you know, like anytime Boston Dynamics says like

their new robot come out, you know, you always see the guy like come and drop kick it because

he like, if it works, like something ridiculous. So now they have this surgery robot, like you're

doing open heart and the guys just like, and also watch this just ping pong ping pong is getting

thrown in the guy's like two, two, two, two, two, two matrix like knocking ping pong balls away.

No, I'm just so I think, I think it's cars and autonomous driving with humans all over the place.

And all the roads are different. People are always acting differently. You've got pedestrians,

animals, construction, law enforcement is out and about like that one Waymo car that drove

right through a shootout, right? So there's all these different things that go on. I think this

is, I think this is the hardest case to start with. And I think if this gets figured out,

everything else is easy afterward. I can't even like flying a plane easy, there's no traffic,

trains easy, there's no traffic, semis easy, it's on the freeway, there's no traffic.

Doing this for a car that's driving around is a big deal. Now, I'm going to Jesse's oops,

today's let's look Mrs. Producer is going to play a clip and it's, and it's the

it's explaining what this is. And it's the Alpameo. It's Alpameo is is what is an Alpameo

with some mountain and Peru or something. It's a terrible name because it has mayonnaise in it.

But okay, play the clip so so that we can so Jake can see what this is and he can comment.

So

Can you skip ahead a little bit, Mrs. Producer? Yeah, here we go.

There's a very certain I should have played this clip so I could pause where I wanted to pause.

That's a big deal right there. Explainability, remember that.

Mm hmm.

There it is.

Okay, dude, that's that is the most dystopian thing ever like that music like if you watched

a dystopian movie and someone was going to show you what's coming out that music would play

100% great. Everything is look how great it is. So what this is is it's explainability. You're

going to it's it's open right now like let me let me read this and then we'll get into the difference

between this and what Tesla does. Would you write exactly what I was going to ask how is this

different? We have self driving cars. How is yes. Okay, well explainability was was the big one

that you heard. Okay, so this thing has has the ability to reason. So it for example,

you're driving down a street and you see a ball roll into the road. What do you and I think

immediately? There's a kid going to run after it potentially. What does a computer think immediately

right now? There's a ball. I could probably make it over that. It doesn't it doesn't reason

Yeah, it just knows ball. You're right. It doesn't it just doesn't know and it doesn't

like it doesn't know that if you go down a narrow street filled with cars that you need

to be careful people opening their door of people walking out in the street. All these

different things that a human being is able to reason with like I was thinking the other day.

Yeah, yep. It all happens live. Yes, it all happens live in our minds and none of it is

precise for us right it's all this kind of this grade happening not happening. The way that I

can explain this and what made me think about this was Jesse and I went to Best Buy and we both got

out of the car and she went one way around the backside of the car and I went the other way

around the front side of the car. So in and in her mind, she made a resilient calculations that she

got out on the other side of the car. She can go around the backside of the vehicle and she has

x distance to cover and this is the shortest way to the door. So that's the way that a computer

approaches says it would analyze the vector of what is the shortest distance of the door.

I got out on the other side of the car. My vector was different, right? So I decided to go this way.

But also what a human being will do is they'll look at the snow, they'll look at the ice. How do I

walk around that? Am I going to slip on that? Is that slippery? Is there someone leaving? Do I need

to stop and let someone come through the doors? We're walking out. Also, I realized that I made

the mistake of reasoning that I should have went with my wife to begin with and not taken the actual

shortest route. I should have just went with her. So there's all these different things that human

being that's funny, but it's, you know, that's all the reasoning things that human beings do.

And right now, I don't know. We don't know what Tesla's does, because it's black box. We don't know

what this what Nvidia is doing. Yeah, Nvidia is not a car company. Right? Okay, so they're

they're putting together a platform for which companies like Volvo, Ford, Chevy,

whatever can put this platform in their category, category, category. This is this is a big deal

because this opens up level for potential level for autonomous driving to any manufacturer. They

don't have to develop because the stack to invest in the AI stack to do this like Tesla has a neural

network, they own it, right? Yes, they own the neural network, they've designed it. Ford doesn't

have that. Honda doesn't have that. Well, Honda might they have a lot of they have a lot of robots

and stuff. But a lot of manufacturers can't afford it's it's huge. It's brutally expensive. And it's

usually time consuming. So Nvidia comes in and goes, Hey, we're going to do this. And I truly think

that this is going to there's going to be a lot that comes out of this robots, trains, cars,

buses, all these different things. There's no reason a city bus should have a driver.

None. It's on a predetermined route. It should just be going bus stop to bus stop. But also,

it needs to know, Hey, this guy didn't pay his fare. Don't stop to open the door, get out of the

bus, all these different things that probably need or there's a shooting up ahead. Don't go through

it. Don't drive through the shooting. Yes. So it's blah, blah, blah. I saw another video of like

these Chinese autonomous delivery vans. Have you seen this one? Yeah, where there's just like

where it drove through a wet cement, like they just poured the new road and it had like blockades

and it just went through and the guys are all like, stop, stop, stop. And it's just and then it

gets just stuff. No alpha male. No male. No male. No male. No male. Huan described the system as a

foundation for wider adoption of autonomous vehicles. Mayo brings reasoning to autonomous vehicles,

allowing them to think through rare scenarios and drive safely in complex environments. It says

they are working with automotive partners to deploy the tech with initial use expected in

driverless, driverless vehicles before broader adoption across the industry. So no real time frame.

I tried digging into like a real time frame for this. It's all beta. So this is, I already said

this, I already talked about this. It's a wedge to crack the lock, right? This is this splits

everything open. And I also thought, don't we already have level five autonomous driving? You

just have to be rich to get it. Because you just, you just pay a driver. That's the way to do it.

So much more inexpensive. That could be said for anything. Yeah. We got 10 minutes left here.

We talked to Charles. That's it. Jake, why don't you tell me a little bit about common gear?

I will. If you, I tell you what, Jake, here's what we're going to do. We get to we get to time

in about 10, 15 minutes. We'll keep going for the drivers club. How's that sound?

I like that a lot. All right. That's that's your message sign up for drivers club

overcrossproductions.com forward slash drivers club. If you don't do it, you're missing out.

All right, go ahead. Tell me about common gear. All right. So yes, the story of your car matters

just as much as the machine itself. Every receipt late night fix rally mile. It's your car's identity.

But most of us have the history scattered everywhere, whether it's on Instagram or in

the glove box with receipts or maybe in the trash can and you don't know where it is anymore.

The common gear fixes that it's a platform built by real car people and allows you to digitize

everything from maintenance records to build photos, provenance, all organized, all searchable

right there all in one place. Maybe you purchased a car and it came with literally an entire book

of records and oil changes. Is that what you're looking at right now, Chris?

Okay. So this is the Mercedes, the 124 Mercedes. This is all the records right here.

This dude was insane. Wow. And then it says composition book 1990 Mercedes 103 engine

124 body maintenance records. And you can just go through here and it's page

after page after page. And it's like a new alternator, new front tires, new thermostat,

new mirror, new AC compressor, new water, new spark plugs, new new wiring harness,

new auxiliary water pump, new battery, new oil level sensor. Dude, this guy was this.

I should never sell this car. I should never sell this car. And if I did, if I were to sell

this car, what would I do? Think how much more? Well, it's how much more is that worth now because

you have all that data and documentation and provenance. However, it would probably take you,

Chris, a long time to like scan all those different records. And I know you don't have a lot of time.

So common gear will also, they have a white glove service. You could literally just send

all that in or they'll come out remote on site and they will digitize everything for you. It adds

credibility. It adds value. Go to the common gear.com, make your free account and start building

your card's digital legacy today. And like we said, it adds value because this is all real data

tied now to your vehicle, as opposed to maybe a Cadillac that's for sale online on an auction site.

I took this thing to Rick's Lube. That's what that was. We'll talk about the Cadillac. I want to

talk about the super fast Corvette first. Oh, this is, I mean, this, this is crazy, man. I've

never had a lot of cars. Have you not? Have you gone through this yet? Okay. The guy was a pain in

the ass. Like the air conditioning still, still not as cold as it used to be. Replace the air

conditioning compressor again. I should never sell this car. It's been like, the thing is with all

these old CAS anything, if they are a pain in the ass, if you don't, if you're like a guy who works

on cars now, and somebody brings you in something with CAS, you delete what doesn't work. And you

just, and you, and you make the, and you just make it work and you try to get it going. This has

never been done on this car. It is wholly complete. All the CAS works, the, all the HVAC works, all

the door locks work, every single thing works on this car. And I have proof right here. I should,

I should send this stuff into Common Gear and get this, get this all taken care of. And actually,

I'm going to do that. You can help me do that, Jake. Okay. So there's a point to this, this,

this article, and I want to get into this fun ratio that I have figured out for measuring,

measuring the value of a car. And we'll get there at the end. So according to testing conducted by

GM, the electrified ZR1X runs 0 to 60 times 1.68 seconds. Yes. 1.68 seconds and clears the

quarter mile and 8.675 seconds at just under 160 miles per hour. Those figures were recorded on a

prep drag surface at Motorsports Park. Do you know what the, the surface first put your pen down?

Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I got my squishy thing here. Prep surface. Yeah. Okay. Prep surface.

Have you seen the videos of the guys trying to walk on a like true prep surface track?

No. Their shoes literally like you can't step away. They'll, they step out of their shoes.

You know what this stuff's called? It's that sticky. No, I don't call it. It's called track bite.

Okay. J1 track bite is the stuff they put down. And it's legal. You can, they run it in NHRA

competition, which makes sense because I was always wondering like, gang, why are the tires

wrinkling like that? How are they getting so much traction? It's so sticky this stuff. It's this

resin crap that they put all over the, all over the track. Which is okay. That's fine. It's still

impressive. Like that. It's, I don't know. That new Corvette is amazing. It's crazy. I don't want one.

Zero on it. Zero one X pairs a twin turbocharged 5.5 liter LT seven V eight with an electric front

drive unit. Okay. This is what I, I'm going to make a statement on this. Okay. I think this is dope.

Why do I think this is cool, Jake? See if you can guess why this is still cool. Well,

what I've read about this and the reason everyone's like, this is amazing is this is

hypercar performance, like smoke any, yeah, are out there for like, you know, sure. Yeah,

it's fast. But it's cool because they pushed the envelope of the combustion engine. And then

did the EV unit on top of it, they didn't go, okay, well, we're going to make it 50% this 50%

that try and do this. No, they just pushed everything to the absolute max. And anytime

that's happening is rad. So combined power 1250 horsepower. The V eight alone makes over 1000

horsepower on pump gas. Well, the electric motor provides immediate torque fill off the line and

traction through the front axle. Chevy says the car was running completely stock form.

Like this. Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I believe them. But also, why do you sound skeptical?

What does that mean? What are you talking about? It's like the ultimate version of something

that's like, that's like, yeah, but this is you can buy this. This is stock. This is not,

this is not by the way, the what was the hell cat demon red eyes super where like it comes with the

the suitcase and back and you have to like put the skinnies on front and you have to unbolt

things and turn it into the like drag car like no, this literally you take off the showroom floor

and you could drive it to the track and it did this and it will. Okay, so this is the tires were

Michelin sport four S's just regular, regular tires off development engineer and test driver

Stefan Frick. Gosh, what a great name was behind the wheel for the official runs using Corvette's

adjustable custom launch control system. The system manages clutch engagement torque delivery

and wheel slip while allowing the driver to find two launch parameters. I hate this.

I literally get good. Yeah, you know, you don't have to do anything. Yeah, I don't like that.

I want mission. They don't point up this guy to light. It could be it could be the guy that

owns the cars nanny's sister could launch the car. Yes, and it would be faster than anything.

Yeah, I do not like this because it removes skill. They remove skill. Yeah, peak acceleration

reached 1.75 G's and Chevrolet says the car covers this zero to 16 on their 100 feet.

I want to see one of those boob videos with this where they launched the car and then

and the bra flies off. Those are fantastic. One of my favorites. Even with the optional ZTK

performance package, which adds a large carbon fiber rear wing and dive planes capable of

generating up to 1200 pounds of downforce active arrow, Jake. The CR one X matters is zero to

say active arrow dive planes dive planes. Yeah, they're just front canards. No, yeah,

but they move. They dive. A dive plane is another name for a front canard that's literally

all it is. It's like Fender. Canard is a dumb word. Don't say it anymore. I don't.

It doesn't say active. That doesn't mean it's active because it says dive on it. Well, if

well, if it's in one thing, it's not diving. It's just doing what it normally does.

Think about a submarine. A submarine has dive planes and when it's time to dive, they go like

this, change the impact of the water in the submarine. Those are dive flaps, not a plane.

It's just a plane. The plane happens to be pointed downward there for its diving.

This is producer. Look, look this up, please. I need to dive plane. This is not new. It's a

front canard and outright can are you're a canard and outright acceleration terms,

the RIMAC, Nivera R runs roughly zero, 16, 1.6 seconds. The Penin, Farina, Batista is 1.8.

The Bugatti Turbulon, Turmoyon is 1.9 and placed in the Corvette ZR one X directly in the

performance bracket. The difference, of course, is price. And here's where I want to invent a scale.

It is the dollars per second scale. Dollars. Oh, do we know? Do we know? Yeah, you literally can

buy these off eBay. It's lit. Yeah. See? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You're stupid, Chris.

Okay. I guess I could admit defeat on this one. Very rare. Take note. All right. So the dollar per

second scale is, is absurd. So we start with the Bugatti is $4 million to go zero to 16, 1.9

seconds. That is 2.1 million dollars per second. Okay. The Batista is 1.16 million per second.

The RIMAC is 1.3 million per second. And the ZR one X is 125 grand per second.

Except your math is reversed. Your math is reversed, Chris. Because take, take a new Honda

cord or something and you divide like a 50 grand divided by like 10 seconds. And now it's even

cheaper than your, you know, see what I mean? You have to reverse it. Yeah, you did it wrong. Yes,

I did it wrong. But it, but it does, it does still. Yeah, it's price times

inverse of, it'd have to be like

time under 10 seconds in the quarter or something. You know what I mean? That's how you

know. Yeah, there's gotta be, you'd have to add another. This is why you're not the finance guy.

This is why you're not the finance guy. No, no, no, no, I, we would be broke. And therefore the

coolest car we have according to Chris's scale is whatever the cheapest and slowest one is.

It's a Prius.

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