News: Ford vs Cadillac vs Formula One Reality (audio fixed)

Hey, guys, welcome to Overcrest.

I'm Chris.

And I'm Jake.

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That's good.

I feel like right off the bat, I have to ask you about your hat.

Is this Stolen Valor here, or what is this?

Stolen Valor?

Do you not know?

Vortex veteran?

I can't make it out.

Let's talk about it.

Like Volkswagen Vortex, I believe?

In before the lock.

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Oh, boy.

I want to get right into it, because we've got a guest in the lobby.

And there has been a lot moving in the Formula One world.

Have you been noticing, Jake?

Have you been noticing?

I have.

I've been hearing the buzz.

Now, this is a rare case where I'm not an expert.

Rare case, rare case.

I wanted to bring in someone who is.

There's a first for everything, Chris.

First for everything.

We found somebody that's more of an expert in their field than I am.

Charles Bradley, he's the editor at DuPont Registry.

And before that was global editor-in-chief of Motorsport.com.

I couldn't think of anybody better to talk about Formula One with us.

How's it going, Charles?

How are you?

Yeah, good, Chris.

How are you, Jake?

Good, good.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you.

We're missing you.

We had a little bit of a connection problem.

We're missing your handsome face.

So everybody's just going to have to look at Jake and I.

Or maybe I'll just put like a picture up of you.

Well, Charles, I mean, he looks like a younger Brad Pitt meets

like David Beckham.

Yeah, plus the accent.

It's very accurate description.

So one of the things that I think is really funny in this F1 Sega

so far is I love this.

We had Haas come in in 2016, which kind of felt like an American team,

but not really because they just make CNC machines.

Just make.

They're amazing.

OK, lots of companies use Haas.

But it didn't feel like.

It wasn't a manufacturer.

Not a manufacturer.

So there's like there's a spat that's starting to happen in the in the

formula and world between the American manufacturers and Charles.

I want to I'm going to read through a couple of quotes here, one from GM,

CEO of the Cadillac team and then one from the Ford Ford team.

And I kind of want to get your thoughts on it.

So let's let's start with GM.

This is an exchange between Dan Torres and and and Ford executive Bill Ford.

Uh, blah, blah, blah.

Dan Torres says, um, talking about Ford's partnership with Red Bull as

superficial saying it's not even close.

One is a marketing deal with very minimal impact while GM is an equity

owner in the Cadillac team.

They're deeply embedded from an engineering standpoint and they were

involved from day one.

Those two deals couldn't be more different, basically comparing Cadillac

and what Ford is doing over at Red Bull.

Ford executive chairman, Bill Ford fired back expressing disbelief at the

characterization.

Oh, can you just imagine how offended he was?

Like some like assistant came in, like walked into his office and was like,

sir, did you hear what Cadillac just said?

And I'm just imagining it back.

And remember when you saw Ford versus Ferrari, they're all like smoking in

these rooms and stuff like that.

Yeah.

She would have slammed down like the printed out paper of the

push them of the price release.

Did you see this Ford fired back expressing disbelief at the characteristic

saying characterization saying, I would actually say the reverse is true.

They're running a Ferrari engine, which has got to be like the biggest slight

ever.

I cannot believe that Cadillac and maybe Charles, when I finished with this

quote, you can tell me why they're running a Ferrari engine.

Cause I don't understand.

You would think that over the last like 10 years, if they wanted to do this,

they would have had like a black box in a room where they're building an engine.

I cannot believe Cadillac is running a Ferrari engine.

Just throw their LT one in it.

Just put the Corvette motor in it.

It'd be fine.

They swap it, everything else.

They're running a Ferrari engine.

They're not running a Cadillac engine.

I don't know if they have any GM employees on the race team.

Nothing could be further from the tooth in terms of our partnership with Red Bull

being a marketing effort.

Okay, Charles, what is going on with this rivalry and why is it happening?

What's happening?

Well, first of all, it's hilarious, obviously, to have these high

powered executives having some kind of schoolboy spat in the school yard and

throwing these accusations at each other when they're both spending tens and

hundreds of millions of dollars on Formula One with their respective programs.

And they kind of both right in a way, because obviously Ford are doing it

very much like they did.

I think almost when you go back to the Cosworth, the FV days, when they dominated

Formula One for like the best part of a decade and every car had one of those

engines in, they used Cosworth.

They used the English engine tuner actually built the engines and made them

so good that everybody.

Does that really count as Ford, though?

Well, yeah, it was completely Ford batched the whole thing.

There was Ford batches on the like the TIRLs and everything.

So there was only Ferrari was the was the only other sort of engine producer

back in back in those days.

So it's very much like that that they're using Red Bull power trains in the UK

as the engine builder, let's say.

And then obviously what Red Bull wanted to do because these new regulations

define there's a 5050 power split between the internal combustion engine

and the electronic electrical hybrid system.

So obviously Ford's pretty, pretty good with their with the ERS stuff

that's already in the in their road cars and sort of, you know, you think

to the F-150 light nins and stuff like that.

So there's definitely a back and forth between the two sides.

Is it fair to say that?

Is it fair to say to you think, hold on, Rivian?

Is there any Rivian tech in the Red Bull form of the one car?

Doesn't Rivian and Ford, didn't they work together, form like a little

bit of a partnership or something?

Or am I thinking of like they did, right?

Yeah, I don't know.

Gosh, that's going back.

I'm trying to remember.

But that's the best thing.

Well, where does the IP start and finish?

Because last year, Red Bull power trains used were partnered up with Honda.

You know, when they won world championships together, it was it was

Honda badges on the on the engines, very, you know, slightly different engines.

Obviously, with a lot less, a lot less hybrid power involved.

But it's but it's that's the thing.

It's a partnership.

It's it's it's some is as as terrorist says, it is more of a marketing deal

and the Cadillac option, which is to start a team from scratch.

Do everything yourself.

But because of the the way the engine cycles are at the moment,

they missed the the the option to come in for 2026 to build their own power plant,

which is why they're using a customer Ferrari, which is just like

has are doing exactly the same.

And there's other teams as well that use the Ferrari engine.

But what they've done, they've spent, I would say they've spent a phenomenal

more amount of money than Ford has, because they have started this team

from scratch that built huge facilities up in Fishers, Indiana.

Obviously, in the UK as well, because they they realized you can't do this

unless you're spanned across the Atlantic.

And yeah, that's that's, you know, when you're talking hundreds

of very, very expert staff building these incredible cars,

where all the pieces and parts are, you know, built from built from scratch,

apart, apart from the engines and in some cases, the gearboxes.

So, yeah, it's it's kind of one all, I think they've both got a

they've both taken a stance on it and they're both correct.

But it's just it's fun to sit back and just give me the popcorn.

I want to see this rumble on just like we've seen with Camaro versus Mustangs.

Do our trucks better than yours?

All that. I was going to say.

Yeah, like like Transamp, right?

You know, it's it's so worried.

Are you saying then so Cadillac is running the Ferrari engine?

Do we know?

Do we have the playbook for the next engine?

So does Cadillac basically have a year to develop an engine?

Is that kind of how this cycle works or how many like how does the cycle work

and how long do they have to develop?

They've they've they've changed it around a little bit.

I think it's 28 is the next option for them to come in.

And then but they are building their own engine facility.

I know for a fact, I was down in I was in North Carolina in Charlotte

and near Hendrick Motorsport building a really big engine facility there.

And the plan is to build the Cadillac F1 engine right there.

Obviously, there's a lot of expertise knocking around those parts

from from NASCAR and all the other racing that goes on in the in North Carolina.

So that that'll be fascinating to see how that opens up,

because that's that's the big thing about these new rules for 2026.

They are vastly different engines.

So the engine only provides half the power.

Now the hybrid system produces the other half of the power

and how that's deployed and how it all works together with the turbo.

It's going to be huge in terms of that.

And that's going to give everyone else a two years head start on them, really.

So, you know, they've they've they've been developing their own car

in isolation kind of thing.

So they might have a little bit of a jump start on the opposition

when it comes to aerodynamics and things like that,

because they've had more time to prepare this car.

Hence them using the Ferrari engine for these at least two years.

Can I ask you, Charles, I kind of with the philosophy of this change

to, you know, the 5050 power delivery of internal combustion and hybrid.

Is is this is this the regulating body trying to make it closer

to road car tech or trying to make things that why

why are they dictating that this must be the case?

And that's a very general question.

I think with all motorsport regulating bodies,

like why what is their rationale for this specific.

Regulation is a little bit about something else they're bringing in this year

is the synthetic fuels as well, which is going to be a very big deal.

But they they really want to put the emphasis on that sort of battery

powered technology coming in so that it's it does reflect the road car market.

At the end of the day, the stakeholders, you know, as as

Tarris mentioned, Cadillac is now one of those going more hybrid,

going more electrically powered in terms of the power output is is a big big deal

for them. And that's why they're always and Formula One's always adapts

to what's going on in the in the whole road car market.

But yeah, it's just going to be fast.

They've got to be feeling a little bit of whiplash now, then.

Yeah, with that, you know, with with all the it's got to be hard.

Well, back in the day, obviously, you know, Formula One was like the technology

setter, and now there's parts of the the automotive world where the the OEMs

on the road car side are way ahead.

You know, Rivian's a fantastic example of how a company's

just taken a road car product and probably gone beyond where anybody

on the F one side could comprehensive the systems they're doing.

So this is almost like a catch up on that side.

So this this is very much trying Formula One, trying to be more relevant

and keep that sort of, you know, all all the OEMs want to be able to say

that there's technology transfer between the race program and their road car

products. And I think that's become increasingly difficult, difficult

with the with the turbo hybrid era.

And now they're just trying to counter back that by bringing in the more

emphasis on the hybrid side of the equation.

So they wrapped a 350 kilowatt on the on the MGU side.

Can you imagine the guy that watches a NASCAR race?

He's he sits down, he watches a race at Daytona, you know, a week later,

he sits down and turns on the TV and there's a there's a Formula One race

and he goes, Holy shit, there's a Cadillac.

And the the announcer at the Formula One race talks about the Ferrari engine.

Can you imagine what that that dude is going to throw his beer through his TV?

It's not going to be I feel like the American audience

that's going to be exposed to this and they will.

There will be there will be fans of other motorsports that are going to come

and see this for the very first time and see that Ferrari engine.

And I don't think they're going to get it.

I think there's a little bit of danger there.

Yeah, I think, well, let's face it, for a long time,

America didn't really care that much about Formula One.

Did it certainly not from a mass populace or a mass sports populace?

Let's say a point of view.

The fan base has grown almost exponentially,

which is why Cadillac and Ford have realised

they've got to they've got to jump on this train before it pulls out of the station.

They see this as a good opportunity to do that

because it's a regulation overhaul season.

And even if they even if they mess up,

they've at least got their chance to regain ground later on.

And they've also got an excuse because, you know,

it's almost unprecedented that the first F1 testing that takes place

at the end of January is going to be behind closed doors.

Literally, no one's going to have any visibility of what actually happens

because they expect the cars to break down so regularly

that they don't want anybody to see it.

So that's that's how big a change these new cars are kind of going to be.

It's going to they're going to have five,

the opportunity to run across five days,

but they're only allowed to run three days of it.

So if for each each manufacturer.

So, yeah, it's going to be a big deal.

From a fan perspective,

don't you think that would be like the most entertaining thing,

though, is seeing these cars run for the first time?

You can't go, Jake. It's PR, dude. It's PR.

It's just like, remember back in the day when you had there was,

it was Gran Turismo and it was Forza and then there was a need for speed

and Porsche would not put their cars in Forza because there was crash.

There was crash damage to the cars and you couldn't put the,

the Porsche didn't want to show their cars being damaged.

So they didn't have, they didn't sign the license over.

EA got the license because it was arcade.

Dude, PR perception is, is insane.

And I'm, I wonder, are we going to see some of that in Drive to Survive, though?

You know, like after the fact, Netflix, I feel like has, no?

Yeah.

It'll be interesting if they're all, they're all access goes to a behind closed doors test.

I mean, that'll make some fascinating viewing.

Right.

But I'm, you know, I'm old enough to remember when you,

you're probably not old enough to remember when F1 cars used to break down, you know,

you know, races were decided by cars, you know, stopping and blowing up on track.

You know, recent, recent era formula one, they just don't,

they just finish almost 100% of the time.

So the fact that this, such a big change is coming and how it's going to manifest

itself on the, on the racing side is going to be quite fascinating to see.

And a part of me thinks that the fan base is going to be really ticked off,

that they're not going to be able to see this, these first tests because, you know,

what's going to happen, especially in social media age, there is going to be,

oh, this is just, oh, no, this car can't do more than, you know, two laps together.

There's going to be so much horseshit thrown out.

And then you're going to have to try and, you know, put, put together which of it's

actually the truth and then see what happens when they do the proper testing

that's going to be in Bahrain in, in February.

Do you think this, you know, Ford, Cadillac and Audi's involvement is pretty new here?

Is this a turning point for Formula One in America?

Do you think this is, this marks it where it finally becomes a real something outside

of Netflix? People really start to take notes.

Yeah, I think it's a huge step.

It's basically part of a, a glide path.

If you like, you know, you've had this sort of register.

You've seen this uptick of interest when Formula One opened up its social media and

drive to vote to survive came along just as, you know, everyone got sick and got

locked down and were forced to watch it almost.

And then, you know, they got attached to personalities that were involved and they

liked the, the behind the scenes stuff of people griping and, you know, and the whole

Ford Cadillac hating each other will be another element to that.

And then that's, you know, that's, that's manifested itself, hasn't it?

Into these, these giant OEMs, the biggest, you know, manufacturers in America,

you know, jumping in with both feet, you know, we've obviously seen Ford do that

before and, you know, the irony is not lost on me that Ford sold the team.

It's now collaborating with for $1.

Because remember, it used to be Jaguar racing and like in the early 2000s, they

sold the team to Red Bull for $1 because they sucked so badly.

Now they're partnering back up and it's got, you know, hundreds of millions of

dollars involved to get back on that team just as the engine partner.

So that's, that's another little bit of fun to throw in there.

So we did get some sound for these cars.

Have you heard them, Jake?

Have you?

You maybe have seen some.

I've not.

Okay.

So we have, we have the Cadillac, which is the Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari,

Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari, and then we have the Audi F1.

Mrs. Producer, play, play the Cadillac clip for us, please.

Yeah, there it is.

That's it.

Okay.

People are really hyped up on this sound.

It's got a little bit.

You think you can hear the electric motor were in a lot louder than it did before.

Obviously you've got, you've got internal combustion engine.

You've got, let's start, let's spin it out up to about 9000 RPM.

You've got turbos in there that's going to spin to a, you know, over a hundred,

probably a hundred thousand RPM.

And then you've got this 350 kilowatt electric motor spinning round as well,

straight into the gearbox, providing half the power.

So hence that noise has become a little more futuristic.

Let's say over, over the previous just engine noise.

Jake, do you remember talking to the Cayman GT4 guy from Porsche

where they had that electric Cayman?

Did you listen to that episode?

I think he was saying like some of that whirring sound is like the straight

cut gears that they have coming off motors.

Like some of that is like, yeah.

A motor itself, electric motor is not so nice other than yeah, the bearings.

There's not really much to it.

All right, Mrs. Producer, play the Audi clip.

Way more pronounced on that electric sound.

I think that depends where your microphone is being positioned

because what's going to happen with this?

If you watch F1 races, you'll often see them flashing the red lights,

the rain lights will come on at the end of a straight.

And that's because it's harvesting into the battery.

What's going to be a big deal this year is how you do that

because they're going to power some of the batteries.

Some of the batteries actually going to be charged via the engine

because there's so much power that needs to be recycled.

It's going to be a lot more pronounced.

So if you think about it before, it was let's say a 75 percent, 25 percent

internal combustion engine, electric hybrid split.

Now it's 50 50.

You've got that when it comes to harvesting as well.

So when they slow down at the end of a when they get to an end of a straight,

normally it would have just taken the electric power away.

You lose a little bit of power, but not really that much.

Now you're going to probably ask the engine to charge the battery too.

So you could get a situation where cars are going to get to the end of the

straight and really slow down.

So you will certainly either hear the electric motor there and then

that will suddenly cut out and then it's just back down to half power.

And that could be at the end of a straight when they're doing

two hundred miles an hour.

So you could get some really funky kind of closing speeds and stuff like that.

So how those deployments are going to happen.

And, you know, with all the simulation tools that they've got, you know,

there's a ton of stuff that could go on that could really impact impact the

race. And that's before we got onto the point of active aerodynamics

because that's new for twenty twenty six to, you know, the drag reduction.

How's that?

Yeah, so the drag reduction system with the real wing used to pop open

when you're within a second of a car.

Well, now you've basically got these these modes.

The car can be set in straight modes where the it's got the front

and the rear wing both will pop pop open and reduce drag.

They've got a corner mode.

They've got they've got a boost.

They've got an overtake setting.

They've got a recharge setting, which obviously it's going to bring in

the extreme recharging that could make the car slow down quite a lot.

So there's a ton of other stuff that's in play here and how, you know,

which team masters that the first could have a really, really big advantage

going at the start of the season for sure.

Before everyone else, you know, the seas was Charles.

This sounds lame.

Why can't we just let the guys drive the stupid car?

Whoever can drive the car as it's set up the best should win the races.

Now, I know that didn't lead to like a ton.

Like if you look back to like the Ferrari Schumacher area, which era,

which everybody like absolutely nostalgizes, right?

And I've watched, I've gone back and watched the races were kind of boring.

Right.

So they, because there was just no, no, no DRS or anything like that.

But this still, I feel like this is just, okay, we've got a button here for this.

We've got a button for that.

It's, it doesn't seem like the natural extrapolation of a car that I mean,

I know it's just like the crazy tech and it has to, I don't know.

Again, well, I'm old enough to remember when guys shifted guys could miss a gear.

Yeah.

And passes happen because people miss the shift.

Let's blow it up.

Let's money shift, bring money shifts back to formula one.

Make formula one great again.

Okay.

I want to see, well, I was going to say two things, you know, it's interesting

because you talk about like how they're trying to make it closer to, you know,

what is relevant and production vehicles and at least make it somewhat associated.

Put a CVT in it.

Well, are you, oh yeah, or like, Oh, how about the infotainment screens now

on Red Bulls car?

Maybe they can get an ad surf to them as they're driving around.

They can, would you like a Red Bull?

And it's like, or the other drivers, you're in, you're in the Haas car and

your wing pops up for DRS, but it's just an ad.

Yeah.

Joking aside, it is interesting how like all of these different, um, like

the dynamic arrow situations, that is, couldn't be further from, you know,

a road car and kind of the technology.

I don't know.

Look, like, look at the P one or some of the other cars with their active

arrow cars have active arrow.

Yeah.

If you, if you're in a seven-fig figure territory.

Yeah.

I, I don't know.

Alex Nelson's M coop.

He put active arrow on his, I mean, technically most modern cars have

active arrow because like the grill slats that like, like open and closed

for aerodynamics.

Well, that was invented in the early 19th or early 20th century to cool

your radiator.

Right.

But I'm saying like, yeah, the, the, my new truck has like the little grill

will open and shut in the Macan is that anyways, that's a stretch for having

like a DRS mode in your car.

I just, I just want, I just want more driving.

I would love if they would just shift, just make them shift, just make them

do or give them a clutch pedal and the pedals, you know, but that's not,

that's not, that doesn't translate to today's cars.

How many cars today's are sold with a manual trans?

I drive a shift.

What is it?

1.5%, 3%.

I drive a stick.

Yeah.

Well, I do too.

Okay.

So I want to, I want to play a few clips.

We were kind of, you know, we kind of go, oh, that sounds kind of neat, right?

The, the sound of those two vehicles sounds neat.

But I want to remind you that you will never have the best meal you have ever

eaten ever again.

I don't want you to forget what they took from us.

Brucer, play the next clip.

I should have given a headphone warning.

I turned the volume on this way down.

Oh my God.

This thing is scooting.

This thing is housely scooting.

And there's, there's like another like small stuff here.

Ooh, practice stop.

Yeah.

You get those tires warm enough, you know?

She will sketch you there.

And a round of applause.

Very fitting.

Yeah.

You got a round of applause.

In, in 20 years, do you think that this Cadillari thing is going to go to Goodwood

and people are going to clap?

Straight after a, you know, V10 or V12's going up the hill.

Um, man, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's tough.

I don't know.

What do you think, Charles?

Charles, did we lose you?

No, I'm still here.

Sorry.

What were you asking?

Oh, sorry.

No, I was, what do you think of this, the sound obsession that people have?

Yeah.

This, the obsession was sound with these cars.

Is it, are we just, is it nostalgia?

Are we living in the world of nostalgia?

I mean, it does sound pretty good.

It may, it gives me goosebumps.

The other ones didn't.

It is absolutely nostalgia.

But if you think about the triggers for when you first heard those kind of engine

noises, I remember going to my local track, which was Alton Park in

the Northeast England, and they had a series that had Kanam cars from the

early 80s.

So you'd have big stock block Chevy V8 noises.

And there was like a, there was like a brick, but just before he got to the

entrance, there was like a brick wall and the track is literally on the

other side of the brick wall and you could hear them go past.

And it was like, I know I'm coming to something big when I can hear something

making that good a noise.

And then I recall going to F1 testing at Silverstone, you would hear high

revving V10 from at least two miles away.

Just put your window down as you're driving towards the track and you could

hear the, you could hear the gearships, you know, from probably two miles away.

That's how noisy those cars were.

And I've definitely lost a good degree of my hearing ability.

Thanks to certainly one, one day I was in the garage.

It was Stuart Grand Prix.

So he's talking early, very early 2000, maybe end of the 90s.

And they just started Jan Magnussen's car in the garage and it went nuts.

The laptop started up obviously at a glitch or something and it just went

straight to the rev limiter.

I was in a sort of tin garage and the noise that made my head didn't stop

shaking for about two hours afterwards.

It was nuts.

It just went straight to like 16,000 RPM.

Like, and I've never, my hearing has never been the same since I should sue.

Well, I've only heard, I've only heard a V10 one time and it's, and it's not

even a real one.

It was, it's the Judd V10 that they put in these things when they want to go

run them somewhere, they want to go take them vintage racing or something.

They'll, they'll run a Judd V10 and that, and even that thing is, I remember

standing at the, the straight at road America right up on the wall.

You know, you got your little press pass and you're like, Hey, this was great.

You got your, I had my phone in my hand and I'm filming this thing as it goes by

and I literally dropped my phone and went like this covered my ears because it

was so obscenely loud and you feel it.

It's just like this.

It's in your neck.

It's in your chest.

You just kind of feel it go by as this kind of grabs you like this.

Oh man.

It's really something.

And there's, I feel like you could probably survive standing next to the,

the, you know, one of the next to the track when these other things go by.

Now it was, it was co-op.

Again, I'm old enough to remember my first formula one race in the flesh,

1993 European Grand Prix at Donington Park.

You might remember saying this first lap there, but that was an era when you had

V8s, you had V10s and you had V12s.

The Ferrari's were V12s and that sounded absolutely awesome.

So you could turn it and look away from the track and you could tell which sort

of that V of engine was going past.

It was, and that was cool.

What period is better, Charles?

Modern or that, you know, I didn't live that, you know, what's like, can you be,

can you even be objective in this analysis?

Probably not at all.

I think just having, having lived through that when you, the perception was it's

better, you know, everything was better back then, you know, I had more hair then.

You know, I was a bit younger.

I could probably run a bit faster than I can now.

So everything was great back then, wasn't it?

The races were probably won by, you know, a lap or something like that.

The gap on the grid was probably a second between every single car on the grid

or something like that.

But, you know, it was, it was a lot more analog, a lot more, you know, manual,

you know, people were shifting and stuff like that.

And it was, even though probably back in that day, there was still quite a bit of

aerodynamics active suspension going on back then.

Even then it didn't seem to detract too much from, from the sport, even though

I'm sure at the time if you read the, the motorsport press, they're probably

saying exactly the sort of negative connotations they are today about active

arrow and stuff like that that's going on.

So yeah, having, having lived through it all, it was great to have all the

different noises, all the high rev in stuff.

But it was really hard to sit down, watch the race and have a conversation with

your buddy next to you, which is definitely doable now with the V6 turbo

air because they're just not as loud.

Um, and you know, there's, there's all the, uh, sort of sound emissions and

all the sustainability messaging that goes along with every single sport

these days, just, just times change, don't they?

Times change.

So you can't, can't always look in the rear view mirror or, uh, then you,

then you're lost forever, aren't you?

That's, that's true.

It's, it reminds me of, uh, whatever generation thinks the previous

generations music is terrible.

Of course.

Yeah.

Nobody makes good music today, right?

But if you want to, what you can do is go and see your favorite bands from

whenever it was, you know, I'm going to go and see Interpol in a couple of

weeks time, you know, and it was that now, 20, 20 odd years ago, 25 years

ago, since they, they started on the scene.

Um, you can always go and watch historic racing, you know, go to the Rolex

Monterey reunion and you'll see and hear plenty of awesome cars, you know,

playing the same soundtrack, you know, might be, might be driven, not quite

as enthusiastically as it was back in the day, but there's still a lot to,

lot to enjoy there.

It's kind of though, it's kind of like a girlfriend experience versus

having a real girlfriend though.

You know, you know, it's kind of not real and it doesn't really mean anything.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely that.

Um, yeah, it's, it's, I would definitely, it's not like, but it's not like

we can invent a time machine and just hop in and, and go back to, uh, you

know, Silverstone on that day back in, you know, 1990 or whatever.

So it is what it is.

Charles, thanks for coming to hang out with us, man.

Make sure you hang on afterward and let your thing finish uploading

since your connection is a little bit slow.

Um, we really appreciate you hanging out.

Thanks for the insight and the input.

And, uh, I think we should have you on for a full episode.

Sounds like there's some stories to tell.

Yeah.

For sure.

Thanks guys.

Enjoyed it.

Take care.

Bye-bye.

Jake, did you see Red Bulls reveal?

I did.

Well, I saw like a clip of it with the airplane.

Like, yeah, let's Mrs.

producer play, um, this is awesome.

I want to hate on this, but I just can't look like this is the

most Red Bull reveal of all time.

Is it not?

It is.

Yeah.

Uh, and then the plane takes off going straight up, of course,

but the reason I played that clip is because I wanted to play the next

one, which you may not have seen, which is Williams reveal, um, from

like 20 years ago.

I know.

Yeah.

This is awesome.

Can we bring this back?

He's got lipstick all over his face.

Emma wants to ask you a question, David.

Go on, Emma.

No, there's no female drivers.

Come on.

Oh my gosh.

What a trap.

I've been driving about eight years ago, but I think that you should do the

next one.

This is like a ridiculous, ridiculous livery reveal.

Goodbye to the guys and we're going to say goodbye to the car.

That's just okay.

The spice girls.

Okay.

The spice girls, which do you prefer?

I, I don't know.

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't either.

I'm not a spice girls fan, but like I like it because it adds like another

dimension of the formula one thing.

I did not know we were not going to be able to see testing though.

That is a big deal.

I did not know that that was not happening.

By the way, Jake, I would like to point out that a few years ago, you

thought Cadillac had no race cars whatsoever.

Do you remember that?

Okay.

Well, we, it's.

He's got nothing.

He's, he's got nothing.

I knew they had the Daytona prototypes, but that's hardly a race car at

the time.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Well, they had the CTSV LMS cars.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Jake, the Daytona prototypes, that endurance race.

Boy, that's hardly a race car.

Tell me about Nokia and before I start just ripping into you.

Nokia and tires is your source for winter tires as well as performance

tires for any season.

They are literally the inventor of the winter and snow tire with the

Haka Polita series.

They also have their newest tire, the AS01, which is an all season

high performance tire, which is basically set apart specifically for

drivers who want the most out of their cars.

They should have put these on that, on that car that was that V10 thing.

The thing didn't have any traction.

It should have had some Nokia tires.

Yeah, I know it definitely did not.

I was seeing that that probably had like 10 year old rain tires on it at

the time.

I doubt it.

I bet they put new tires on it.

I actually did.

Didn't Red Bull speaking of Red Bull stunts, they did like an

ice racing thing with one of their F1 cars with studded tires.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe those were Haka's.

Yeah.

Maybe.

Who knows?

Probably not, but they should have.

Well, we all know how unpredictable roads can be, especially here in

the Midwest in the winter.

So what, whether you're on the AS01 or a Haka Polita, Nokia offers

great tires for any situation, come with 55,000 mile warranty.

They also offer Nokia's tires, pothole protection.

So if you're having to damage your tire baron here, Nokia will replace

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Check it out at nokiantires.com.

Chris, I'm kind of disappointed.

Uh-oh.

Speaking of formula one noises that you didn't mention.

And I don't know if we've ever talked about the Red Bull blown diffuser

era and the sound of that.

Oh, do you know what I'm talking about?

Just that that.

Yes.

Yeah.

I was like, yeah, it didn't sound good though.

It's not something I need to remember.

It was very cool though, the technology of it.

I like.

Yeah.

I like the echo.

Anything that like the rules.

I love it.

I like anything that breaks the rules or skirts the rules I'm here for.

Yeah, absolutely.

Did you see the formula one movie with Brad Pitt?

I did.

Yeah.

It's awful.

My favorite part is our friend Patrick Long was portrayed as like the guy that

didn't know what he was doing and Brad Pitt had to come in and show him how to

drive.

Did you see that?

Well, it wasn't.

It wasn't necessarily that as he Brad Pitt was okay or I Pat was okay.

And then, you know, the last leg of the of the Daytona was run by my Brad Pitt

who is clearly a better driver than Pat Long.

But you see the credits and Patrick Long is one that actually did all of the

driving for sure.

So it's like, yeah.

What's interesting is is the announcers like Will Buxton or whatever has to

explain because they they're trying to make this movie accessible to everyone

and rather just make it a good movie.

They have to be like, oh, and this is a formula one lap.

No, you're going to switch to these tires when I switched to these tires.

This is what and they like over explain.

They use the announcer to over anyway.

I was sad.

I guess I didn't even realize that.

But yeah, I mean, it's sad.

What do you expect?

It was I expected.

I gosh, I want someone to release a movie.

That's just an accurate portrayal, gritty, dark, like not just like a movie version

of Drive to Survive kind of.

That's what it felt like with the drama.

Yes, it was.

We're way we're way behind on a review of this, but I was it was kind of I was

kind of bomb.

I just the fact like how realistic is it that he's supposed to be how old in the

movie?

It's like his reaction time would be nowhere near.

Just any I don't care about that.

I mean, no, no, I don't.

That's so not realistic having the older guy there.

I know, but that's kind of like a story thread that can be pulled.

I just didn't like the way that the they constantly over explained technology

and stuff like that.

I mean, not everybody knows like you and I know, but still it got to this level

of being pedantic that it was just like, oh my gosh, come on.

You're right though.

It was Drive to Survive made into a drama sort of.

Yeah.

Okay.

It was meant to capitalize on that.

I'm sure lots of women went to see my pet in video.

The GPU company that makes yeah, that go on my computer.

Gosh, do you know that?

Have you seen the prices of memory and GPUs has gone crazy?

No.

Oh man.

In video unveils self driving car tech as it seeks to power more products with

AI in video has unveiled a new artificial intelligence platform aimed at self

driving vehicle technology making better.

Speaking of the consumer electronics show technology conference in Vegas

and video chief executive Jensen Wang in his iconic leather jacket.

So the company believes autonomous vehicles are entering a new phase of development.

Quote the chat GPT moment for physical AI is here.

Wang said, which is a bold claim, bold claim because what was the chat

GPT moment for AI prior prior?

Well, do you have an answer, Jake?

No.

What I don't know.

I don't know.

So my thought is that prior to chat GPT AI was something that was just kind of

nerdy.

Sure.

It was nerdy.

It was done in the background.

Like nobody knew what a language model was.

Not nobody knew anything.

No, it was like just so not usable by anyone.

So the chat GPT moment for physical AI is here, which is AI in a physical thing.

This in this case cars when machines begin to understand reason and act in the real

world, robot taxis are going to be the first to benefit.

Um, before we play this next clip, I think, um, I think doing cars is

probably the best step to do because I can't think of too many things.

I was trying to think of things that would be harder for a physical AI to do

than navigate roads filled with human beings.

And I can't think of that.

I was like, is what about a robot doing surgery?

That's what my mind went to instantly.

But it's a focused thing.

There's, I mean, you're doing one thing.

You've got a specific task.

You're doing the surgery.

You're not having a ball roll into the street while you're doing surgery.

Nobody's throwing a ping pong ball into the open heart surgery that you have.

Right.

So it's a very like, you know what I'm saying?

It's like, it's just not that many unpredictable things.

Imagine that's like the test case.

You know, like, any time Boston Dynamics has like their new robot come out,

you know, you always see the guy like come and drop, kick it.

Cause he like, if it works, like something ridiculous.

So now they have this surgery robot, like you're doing open heart.

And the guy's just like, and also watch this just ping pong ping pongs

getting thrown in the guy's like two, two, two, two, two, two matrix

like knocking ping pong balls away.

No, I'm just, I think, I think it's cars and autonomous driving with humans

all over the place and all the roads are different.

People are always acting differently.

You've got pedestrians, animals, construction, law enforcement is out and

about like that one Waymo car that drove right through a shootout.

Right.

So there's all these different things that go on.

I think this is, I think this is the hardest case to start with.

And I think if this gets figured out, everything else is easy afterward.

I can't even like flying a plane.

Easy.

There's no traffic trains.

Easy.

There's no traffic semis.

Easy.

It's on the freeway.

There's no traffic doing this for a car that's driving around is a big deal.

Now I'm going to Jesse's oops.

Let's look.

Mrs. producer is going to play a clip and it's and it's the it's explaining

what this is and it's the alpha male.

That's going to say it's Alpamao is is what is an Alpamao is some mountain

and Peru or something.

It's a terrible name because it has mayonnaise in it.

But okay.

Play the clip so so that we can so Jake can see what this is and you can the

next frontier of autonomous driving is enabled by the power to reason.

This means developing models that can think through extremely rare or never

before seen situations and act accordingly.

Nvidia Alpamao is helping make this happen today with an ecosystem of open

components that brings together AI models with reasoning capabilities to make

decisions closed loop simulation tools to test those decisions and massive real

world driving data sets to learn from.

Alpamao one the first place in this family.

Can you skip ahead a little bit?

This is for you.

Yeah, here we go.

Future Alpamao releases will include a variety of model sizes that can be used

offline for scene labeling and evaluation or distilled for use in.

There's a very certain.

I should have played this clip so I could pause where I wanted to.

Also includes the explicit reasoning traces ensure logical consistency and

trust worthy explainability.

That's a big deal right there.

Explainability.

Remember that?

As well as Nvidia Alpacem and end to end closed loop simulation framework.

The fully open Alpamao ecosystem gives developers the tools and scale to

build reasoning driven models.

A key ingredient for enabling level four autonomous driving.

Okay, dude, that's that is the most dystopian thing ever like that music.

Like if you watched a dystopian movie and someone was going to show you

what's coming, that music would play.

You're right.

100% great.

Everything is look how great it is.

So what this is is it's explainability.

You're going to it's it's open right now.

Like let me let me read this and then we'll get into the difference between

this and what Tesla does.

Would you write that exactly what I was going to ask?

How is this different?

We have self driving cars.

How is this different?

Okay.

Well, explainability was was the big one that you heard.

Okay.

So this thing has has the ability to reason.

So it for example, you're driving down a street and you see a ball roll into

the road.

What do you and I think immediately?

There's a kid going to run after it potentially.

What does a computer think immediately right now?

There's a ball.

I could probably make it over that.

It doesn't.

Yeah, it just knows ball.

You're right.

It doesn't.

It just doesn't know.

And it doesn't like it doesn't know that if you go down a narrow street filled

with cars that you need to be careful people opening their door of people

walking out in the street.

All these different things that a human being is able to reason with.

Like I was thinking the other day.

Yeah.

Like it all happens live.

It all happens live in our minds and none of it is precise for us.

Right.

It's all this kind of this grade happening not happening.

The way that I can explain this and what made me think about this was Jesse

and I went to Best Buy and we both got out of the car and she went one way

around the backside of the car and I went the other way around the front

side of the car.

So in and in her mind, she made a zillion calculations that she got out on

the other side of the car.

She can go around the backside of the vehicle and she has X distance to

cover and this is the shortest way to the door.

So that's the way that a computer would approach this is it would analyze

the vector of what is the shortest distance of the door.

I got out on the other side of the car.

My vector was different, right?

So I decided to go this way.

But also what a human being will do is they'll look at the snow.

They'll look at the ice.

How do I walk around that?

Am I going to slip on that?

Is that slippery?

Is there someone leaving?

Do I need to stop and let someone come through the door as we're walking

out?

Also, I realized that I made a mistake of reasoning that I should have went

with my wife to begin with and not taken the actual shortest route.

I should have just went with her.

So there's all these different things that human being that's funny,

but it's it's, you know, that's all the reasoning things that human beings do.

And right now, I don't know.

We don't know what Tesla's does because it's black box.

We don't know what this what Nvidia is doing.

Yeah.

Nvidia is not a car company.

Right.

Okay.

So there's they're putting together a platform for which companies like Volvo,

Ford, Chevy, whatever can put this platform in there.

At a rari cat or a cat a lari cat a lari.

Um, this is this is a big deal because this opens up level for potential level

for autonomous driving to any manufacturer.

They don't have to develop because the stack to invest in the AI stack to do

this, like Tesla has a neural network.

They own it, right?

Yes.

So they own the neural network.

They've designed it for doesn't have that Honda doesn't have that.

Well, Honda might they have a lot of they have a lot of robots and stuff.

But um, a lot of manufacturers can't afford it's it's huge.

It's brutally expensive and it's usually time consuming.

So Nvidia comes in and goes, Hey, we're going to do this.

And I truly think that this is going to there's going to be a lot that

comes out of this robots, trains, cars, buses, all these different things.

There's no reason a city bus should have a driver.

None.

It's on a predetermined route.

It should just be going bus stop to bus stop.

But also it needs to know, Hey, this guy didn't pay his fare.

Don't stop to open the door, get out of the bus, all these different

things that probably need or there's a shooting up ahead.

Don't go through it.

Don't drive through the shooting.

Um, so it's a blah, blah, blah.

I saw another video of like these Chinese autonomous delivery vans.

Have you seen this one?

Yeah.

Where there's just like where it drove through a wet cement like they

just poured the new road and it had like blockades and it just went through.

And the guys are all like, stop, stop, stop.

And it's just, and then it gets just stop.

Alpha male, no male, no male, no male.

Hawaiian described the system as a foundation for wider adoption of autonomous vehicles.

Mayo brings reasoning to autonomous vehicles, allowing them to think

through rare scenarios and drive safely in complex environments.

It says they are working with automotive partners to deploy the tech with

initial use expected and drivers list driverless vehicles before broader

adoption across the industry.

So no real timeframe.

I tried digging into like a real time for this.

It's all beta.

Um, so this is, uh, I already said this.

I already talked about this.

Um, it's a wedge to crack the lock, right?

Um, this is, this, this splits everything open.

And, um, I also thought, don't we already have level five autonomous driving?

You just have to be rich to get it.

Cause you just, you just pay a driver.

That's the way to do it.

It's a much more inexpensive.

That could be said for anything.

That could be so much more assistant.

We got 10 minutes left here.

We, we talked to Charles for, uh, Jake, why don't you tell me a little bit about

common gear?

I will.

Um, if you, I tell you what, Jake, here's what we're going to do.

We get to, uh, we get to time in about 10, 15 minutes.

We'll keep going for the driver's club.

How's that sound?

I like that a lot.

All right.

I do.

That's, that's your message.

Sign up for driver's club.

Overcrossproductions.com forward slash drivers club.

If you don't do it, you're missing out.

All right, go ahead.

Tell me about common gear.

All right.

So yes, the story of your car matters just as much as the machine itself.

Every receipt, late night fix, rally mile, it's your car's identity, but most of us

have the history scattered everywhere, whether it's on Instagram or in the glove

box with receipts or maybe in the trash can.

And you don't know where it is anymore.

The common gear fixes that it's a platform.

Built by real car people and allows you to digitize everything from maintenance

records to, uh, build photos, provenance, all organized, all searchable, right

there, all in one place.

Maybe you purchased a car and it came with literally an entire book of records

and oil changes.

Is that what you're looking at right now, Chris?

Okay.

So this is the, the Mercedes, the 124 Mercedes.

This is all the records right here.

Um, this dude was insane.

Wow.

And then it says composition book, 1990 Mercedes, 103 engine, 124 body maintenance

records, and you can just go through here and it's page after page after page.

And it's like, uh, new alternator, new front tires, new thermostat, new mirror, new

AC compressor, new water, spark plugs, new, new, uh, wiring harness, new auxiliary

water pump, new battery, new oil level sensor.

Dude, this guy was this.

I should never, I should never.

No, and if I did, if I were to sell this car, what would I do?

Think how much more?

Well, it's how much more is that worth now?

Because you have all that data and documentation and provenance.

However, it would probably take you, Chris, a long time to like scan all those

different records and I know you don't have a lot of time.

So common gear will also, they have a white glove service.

You could literally just, uh, send all that in or they'll come out remote on

site and they will digitize everything for you.

It adds credibility.

It adds value.

Go to the common gear.com, make your free account and start building your

cards, digital legacy today.

And like we said, it adds value because this is all real data tied now to your

vehicle, as opposed to, um, maybe a Cadillac that's for sale online on an auction

site that I took this thing to, uh, Rick's lube.

That's what that was his, uh, we'll talk about the Cadillac.

I want to talk about the super fast, uh, Corvette first.

Oh, this is, I mean, this, this is crazy, man.

I've never.

Now you're just, have you not?

I have, I have yet.

Okay.

The guy was a pain in the ass.

Like the air conditioning still, still not as cold as it used to be.

Replace the air conditioning compressor again.

I should never sell this car.

It's been like the thing is with all these old CAS anything.

Is there a, they are a pain in the ass.

If you don't, if you're like a guy who works on cars now and somebody brings you

in something with CAS, you delete what doesn't work.

And you just, and you, and you make the, and you just make it work and you try

to get it going.

This has never been done on this car.

It is wholly complete.

All the CAS works.

The, all the HVAC works, all the door locks work.

Every single thing works on this car.

And I have proof right here.

I should, I should send this stuff into common gear and get this, get this all

taken care of and, um, I actually, I'm going to, you can help me do that.

Jake.

Um, okay.

So, um, there's a point to this, this, uh, this article, and I want to get

into this fun ratio that I have figured out, uh, for measuring, uh, measuring

the value of a car and we'll get there at the end.

So according to testing conducted by GM, the electrified ZR one X runs zero to

60, uh, time 1.68 seconds.

Yes.

1.68 seconds and clears the core mile and 8.675 seconds at just under 160 miles

per hour.

Those figures were recorded on a prep drag surface at, uh, motorsports park.

Do you know what the surface first put your pen down?

Oh, sorry.

I'm sorry.

I got my squishy thing here.

Prep surface.

Yeah.

Okay.

Prep surface.

Have you seen the videos of the guys trying to walk on a like true prep surface

track?

No, their shoes, their shoes literally like you can't step away.

They'll, they step out of their shoes.

You know what this stuff's called?

That sticky.

No, I don't call it.

It's called track bite.

Okay.

J one track bite is the stuff they put down.

Um, and it's legal.

You can, they run it in NHRA competition, um, which makes sense because I was always

wondering like, gang, why are the tires wrinkling like that?

How are they getting so?

It's so sticky this stuff.

It's this resin crap that they put all over the, over the track, which is okay.

That's fine.

It's still impressive.

Like that.

It's, I don't know.

That new Corvette is amazing.

It's crazy.

I don't want one zero one X pairs a twin turbocharged 5.5 liter LT seven V eight

with an electric front drive unit.

Okay.

This is what I, I'm going to make a statement on this.

Okay.

I think this is dope.

Why do I think this is cool, Jake?

See if you can guess why this is still cool.

Well, what I've read about this and the reason everyone's like, this is amazing

is this is hypercar performance, like smoke.

Any day are out there for like, you know, sure.

Yeah, it's fast, but it's cool because they pushed the envelope of the combustion engine

and then did the EV unit on top of it.

They didn't go, okay, well, we're going to make it 50% this 50% that try and do this.

No, they just pushed everything to the absolute max.

And anytime that's happening is rad.

So combined power 1250 horsepower.

The V eight alone makes over a thousand horsepower on pump gas.

Well, the electric motor provides immediate torque fill off the line

and traction through the front axle.

Chevy says the car was running completely stock form.

Like this.

Oh, sure.

Sure.

Yeah.

I asked what I believe them.

But also why do you sound skeptical?

What does that mean?

What are you talking about?

It's like the ultimate version of something.

That's like, that's like.

Yeah, but you can buy this.

This is stock.

This is not.

This is not, by the way, the, um, what was the hell cat demon red eyes?

Super wherever where like it comes with the, the suitcase in back and you have to

like put the skinnies on front and you have to unbolt things and turn it into the

like drag car.

Like, no, this literally you take off the show on floor and you could drive it to

the track and it did this and it will.

Okay.

So this is the tires were Michelin sport four S's just regular, regular tires off.

Uh, development engineer and test driver, Stefan Frick.

Gosh, what a great name was behind the wheel for the official runs using Corvette's

adjustable custom launch control system.

The system manages clutch engagement, torque delivery and wheel slip while allowing

the driver to find two launch parameters.

I hate this.

Uh, literally, but yeah, but like, yeah, you know, you don't have to do anything.

Yeah, I don't like that.

No banal transmission.

They don't imagine pulling up this car up to this guy at a light.

It could be, uh, it could be the guy that owns the car's nanny's sister could launch

the car.

Yes.

And it would be faster than anything you have.

I do not like this because it removes skill.

They remove skill.

Yeah.

Peak acceleration reached 1.75 G's and Chevrolet says the car covers this zero

to 16 on their 100 feet.

Um, I want to see one of those boob videos with this where they launched the car

and then, and the bra flies off.

Those are fantastic.

One of my favorites.

Um, even with the optional ZTK performance package, which adds a large carbon fiber

rear wing and, and dive planes capable of generating up to 1200 pounds of down

force active arrow, Jake.

The ZR one X matters to zero.

Does it say active arrow dive planes dive planes?

Yeah.

They're just front canards.

No, yeah, but they move.

They dive.

A dive plane is another name for a front canard.

That's literally all it is.

It's like Fender.

Canard is a dumb word.

Don't say it anymore.

It doesn't say active.

That doesn't mean it's active because it says dive.

Yeah, but it's well, if it's in one thing, it's not diving.

It's just doing what it normally does.

Think about a submarine.

A submarine has dive planes and when it's time to dive, they go like this.

Change the impact of the water and the submarine dive.

Those are dive flaps.

Not a plane.

It's just a plane.

The plane happens to be pointed downward there for its diving.

This is producer.

Look, look this up, please.

I need to dive plane.

This is not new.

It's a front canard and outright an R.

You're a canard in outright acceleration terms.

The RIMAC.

Nivera R runs roughly 0.16.

1.6 seconds.

The Penin Farina Batista is 1.8.

The Bugatti Turbillon is 1.9 and placed in the Corvette ZR1X directly in the

performance bracket.

The difference, of course, is price.

And here's where I want to invent a scale.

It is the dollars per second scale.

Dollars.

Do we know?

Yeah, you literally can buy these off eBay.

Dive plane, canard.

It's lit.

Yeah, see?

Ha ha ha ha ha.

You're stupid, Chris.

Okay.

I guess I could admit defeat on this one.

Very rare.

Take note.

Uh-huh.

All right.

So the dollar per second scale is is absurd.

So we start with the Bugatti is $4 million to go 0 to 61.9 seconds.

That is 2.1 million dollars per second.

Okay.

The Batista is 1.16 million per second.

The RIMAC is 1.3 million per second and the ZR1X is 125 grand per second.

Except your math is reversed.

Your math is reversed, Chris.

Because take take out a new Honda Accord or something and you divide like a 50

grand divided by like 10 seconds and now it's even cheaper than your, you know,

see what I mean?

You have to reverse it.

Yeah, you did it wrong.

Yes, I did it wrong.

But it, but it does, it does still.

Yeah.

It's price times inverse of it have to be like time under 10 seconds in the

quarter or something.

You know what I mean?

That's how you know.

Yeah, there's got to be, you'd have to add another.

This is why you're not.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I, we would be broke and therefore the coolest car we

have according to Chris's scale is whatever the cheapest and slowest one.

It's a Prius.

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We're going to continue on with our drivers club members.

We're going to do the Cadillac one.

We are.

We're going to do the Cadillac one for the drivers club, which may be the story of the day.

So if you're a free-loading loser that is not a member of the drivers club for only

five dollars, you will not hear this.

Take it away, Jake.

What do we got?

Everybody else?

Goodbye.

We'll see you later.

Adios.

Take care.

Okay.

So this is absolutely amazing.

If I can find it because I just lost my place completely as I was trying to figure

out your math here and reviewing what you're doing.

Okay.

A listing for a 1999 Cadillac DeVille on bring a trailer recently through widespread

extension, not for the car itself, but because several of the gallery photos appear to be

generated or altered by artificial intelligence.

This is a bad use of AI in the automotive sphere.

Unusual image artifacts included mismatched grill details and correct tail

blades, blah, blah.

I don't have to describe it.

Just look at the floor mats.

They're patio pavers, Jake.

They're patio pavers.

And look, there's no.

So it's so rusty that there's holes in the floor.

It's because that's so you're just seeing the pet, the patio pavers through the floor.

It's so bad.

How did this get through quality control?

Oh, hilarious.

I don't know how they let this actually go on the site.

Is there a real car?

Do we know?

I mean, I assume the car itself is real, but then the seller put it through whatever

to just be like, Hey, make this look better or like remove the, the grill, you know, that

isn't dented or something broken or something.

And literally it's just putting, yeah, the cobblestone driveway.

Yeah.

Bring a trailer initially responded to the concerns raised by commenters, uh, posting

that they were working with the seller obtained additional images of the car.

The comments, however, are hilarious.

If you go to find it and saying, uh, stuff like the best, uh, what are we looking at

there?

What are you?

We're zooming in on that.

Oh, yeah, you can see the license plate is just like garbled text and not real

text license plate frame.

Um, yeah, some commenters were saying like the best award goes for cobblestone floor

mats and it's just amazing.

Um, yes, of course there are concerns about the authenticity of the photos.

Soon thereafter, BAT withdrew the listing after determining that more accurate photos

could not be provided in a timely way.

Following the withdrawal, BAT leadership comments directly on the situation,

acknowledging it was a huge error and that multiple steps from platforms vetting and

editing process failed to catch the manipulated photos before the auction went live.

I say the instant would prompt an internal review of procedures and processes for

oversight in the future.

Uh, yeah, one user jokingly wrote that quote, we all know the 1999 Deville is 20

feet long in the left side, 14 feet on the right side.

Another one said crashing harder than Richard Hammond.

Oh my God.

Look at what, look at what producer is showing.

Looking forward to hearing the boys discuss this on over Crest.

One of the comments.

Oh man.

Okay.

Mrs.

producer.

Can you walk the photos?

I just want to go through them.

Like just go through all the photos of the fine tooth comb.

It's amazing.

It's see what we can find here.

Yeah.

Um, it's not obviously like a knock on bring a trailer at all or the process.

He's placed it in some sort of, uh, it looks so uncanny valley.

Dude, look at it.

Like the wheel is like slightly too small.

The car, it's too wide.

Like I know this car.

It's too wide.

It looks like it was squished.

Yeah.

Keep going.

Let's keep scrolling.

What's with the paint job on the side?

That's like worse than Mako.

Well, I think what they did here, if you look is I don't know that that is actually

a real background.

Like, I think he took a picture of the car in a parking lot and was like,

make it look like I live in a really like 30 million dollar, you know,

weird building that doesn't look so bizarre.

Like the real plate frame doesn't work.

It's very odd.

I mean, I have to start looking at this stuff.

This is, you know, um, well, and here's what's scary is like, this is an

obviously bad example, but what does this mean for buying cars online?

In a year, in a year, you're going to be, you're not going to be able to tell

no within a year.

You'll never know.

Yes.

Obviously a real car.

Right.

You can see the dirty steering wheel, dirty seats, stuff like that.

Yep.

But then like some parts of it are like, wait a minute, that looks way too clean.

And that one has parking pavers for floor mats.

Ooh, it's got the old Alpine though.

I love the.

Oh, and it comes with a change.

Dude, the pennies are discontinued.

It's obviously worth more money now than it was before.

That is the one where I go.

Oh my goodness.

There it is again.

Look at the front.

You know what he did is he probably had some sort of crap on the floor or something.

Like there was like a shoe or like his daughter's basketball or something was on

the floor.

I think it was just, I don't know, like he's like make all the photos look like

he's on cobblestone or something.

I don't know.

It's none of it makes any sense.

Yeah.

Cause look, look at that photo.

He's nowhere near cobblestone.

Look at the right exhaust tip too.

It's very bizarre looking.

This one may be real ish.

Wait, is that Vin number AI'd?

Why is it so weird?

Look at how weird the font is.

Look at the six of the three.

The three is what I don't get.

Some of those look okay.

Look at the two.

Let's serif on the top of the two.

Does this car not exist?

I wonder if it's just a giant.

Rouge thing is a scam.

What is the scam?

Like they're not going to pay you if you don't deliver the car.

Maybe it was just like a kind of like a gorilla thing where they're, they never

plan to be paid or sell the car.

They just wanted to show or try to maybe they were just trying to embarrass

bring a trailer or something.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Chris, did you know we're launching our own auction site?

And this was actually me just trying to downplay bring a trailer.

Our competition.

Yeah.

Overcrest that auction.

Except I don't think this is this is not a knock on bring a trailer.

This this thing.

No, not at all.

What I'm saying is yeah, it's just it's scary and it's a yeah.

A reality check that oh crap.

This is going to be every Facebook marketplace photo soon enough.

All right.

I've got one more news article and then we are out of here.

I'm interviewing Aaron Ross BMX professional biker and one of the

co-founders of manual focus is going to be on the podcast next week.

So I got to interview him soon, but I did want to get to this article.

Okay.

And I don't really, I don't really know what to say, but we'll see

all things go here.

This is for drivers club only.

Of course, I don't know that I would do a former senior financial

stability analyst at the Bank of England has called on the United

Kingdom Central Bank to prepare for the possibility that an official

government announcement confirming the existence of extraterrestrial

life could trigger an instability in global financial markets.

According to the reporting in the Times, Helen McCaw, who worked

at the Bank of England for about a decade, wrote to Governor Andrew

Bailey urging that the bank incorporate such a scenario into its

planning and stress tests.

McGraw said that an official disclosure about the United States

or another major government confirming technology advanced

non-human intelligence could prop quote extreme price volatility

in financial markets, widespread bank collapses or runs failures

in payment systems and a loss of confidence in established

economic models.

McGraw argued that even if the likelihood of such an event is low,

the potential consequences would warrant formal contingency

planning by poly market, poly policy makers and central banks.

Do I feel like if we find out there's aliens?

I'm less concerned about my my finances.

Yeah.

It's Independence Day.

I'm not even going to bother to sell.

I'm just going to let that stuff go to rock bottom.

It doesn't matter.

Okay.

Hold on.

What is what is what are the facts this story?

What is actually happening?

So the guy from England is telling is telling a bank is telling the

Helen reporting this of Helen McGraw who worked to the Bank of

England wrote to Governor Andrew Bailey.

There you go.

That's the that's that's that must be Andrew Bailey right there

at Bank of England.

The head of the bank is the spark by aliens telling the politician

you need to have policies for this.

The former analysis said the central banks of financial authorities

could no longer dismiss discussions about unidentified anomalous phenomena.

Come on.

Can we just say UFO?

Oh, why do we need to read a new accurate new acronym?

Cause it's anomalous.

Can it just be unidentified?

Well, I guess maybe they're not flying.

If they're going under the ocean like they've said they're the orbs.

Yeah.

The orbs going to water.

They're not flying anymore.

They're they're swimming with their canards.

She emphasized acknowledgement of nonhuman intelligence might

undermine collective confidence in the preparing strategies.

Community level the Bank of England was not has not publicly responded.

Oh, and there's no indication that it was formally adapted alien

disclosure scenarios and official testing frameworks.

The discussion comes amid wider public interest in unidentified

phenomenon.

What are these AI photos now?

It's from the news article.

Oh my God.

Okay.

Since we're on drivers club, I'm just going to interrupt you.

I saw the most frustrating thing.

We're watching TV with commercials like actual network television.

I'm sorry.

I know, but and I that's no, it's because I don't ever watch commercials.

Progressive like a big company with a massive advertising budget.

The entire commercial was AI.

Yeah.

The entire drug was AI.

Yep.

So are the drug ads.

Oh, so bad.

Do you want to see ads on happy people taking drugs?

It's all AI.

It's so frustrating.

Yeah.

Do they not realize that we can tell and like it's not, I don't know.

Maybe your mom can't true.

It's still, it's, I don't know why it's sickened me so much.

What were you watching?

Anyway, the price is right.

You can, you can, I'm sorry.

Rhett loves the prices.

Right.

Well, go go watch all the ones with Bob Barker.

Yeah, that was the whole, there's a whole PDF.

There's a whole PDF of the.

Yeah.

Apparently, I don't know if I'd allow me.

Let's find out.

I'm going to policy.

Just go watch Bob Barker.

He's way better than Drew Carey.

Isn't Drew Carey the guy right now?

Yeah.

He's got nothing on Bob Barker.

Bob Barker.

It is funny.

We do go back and watch some of the old ones and it's like some of the stuff

that they do back and they're like, oh, you cannot get away with that today.

Like slap on the girl's ass and like come up on stage.

And it's like, how much is this going to cost?

All right, guys, Driver's Club.

Hey, thanks for hanging out with us.

Thanks for being part of this.

As I've said before, look forward to something special this year.

We're going to do something very, very special for you guys.

Until next time, we will see you later.

Take care.

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