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hello and welcome to this car pod I'm

Ken I'm fipa and today we have a lot of

great stuff to talk about starting with

the biggest thing of all we've launched

a new video series where we've all

bought cars me Ken and filipo and our

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home okay onto the news stories give us

the first one all right Lucid teased on

social media that they had so you know

how like police departments do testing

to figure out their next Pursuit vehicle

uh Lucid has entered that competition

and they were they're part of the

testing for the next pursued vehicle in

California I think right uh and the

Lucid air is one of them it's odd cuz

the Lucid is an expensive car well it's

gotten cheaper plus lease deals I don't

know I don't think you can lease a

police they like drill holes I know but

they could probably make a deal I think

lucid's looking for sales Lucid also

that looks good it does look good I'll

give you that I think a lot of cars

would look good as police vehicles

however that doesn't necessarily mean

they would be a good police it's a tool

at the end of the day it's one of the

longest range EVS it's got a large back

seat yeah that's all you need yeah

however it costs

$125,000 no the the air pure like 70 now

okay but what's a what's a charger I

assume also said I don't know I don't

know how

much I think you're assuming wrong I

think the charger is less like how much

like Ford expl like a $50,000 car

presuming the pursuit vehicle is also a

50 $60,000 car well yeah but that after

they add stuff but when they add stuff

to this it's also going to be expensive

at least it's got deep dish steelies I

know that looks so cool anyway I think

the whole thing is unusual I will say

are we thinking that this is a

desperation play from Lucid is that what

we Ian yep it's it's questionable but it

does look cool and it that post probably

performed great on Instagram a story for

you I went to Canada to film a collab

with this Canadian Tech YouTuber lonus

techs and very wellknown Tech YouTuber I

don't know if you know him you don't

want you don't know anything about

building the PC me and Kenan we time

done it in the fast anyway so I was

showing him the website and I showed him

because we were talking about electric

cars and I was showing him Lucid air

results and how cheap they are and he

goes no offense but if this is all that

your website is getting for these cars

why would anyone want to use your

website to sell a car and I was like you

don't understand this is what they're

worth that's what they all sell for

pretty good result actually yeah so

needless to say the Lucid air demand has

not been huge I think that they are

hoping that they can be supported by

many police departments around the

country by the way I should put a little

caveat here elci demand has been bad the

cars are tanking in value I love them I

think they're awesome so good they're

just really expensive for what they are

and no one really wants to but as a

police car with steelies looks great

they use laser is their like Lane

guidance thing that sets off the radar

detector on the E39 and5 all the time

really it goes off and there's laser in

a place where it wouldn't be like it's a

lucid and then boom there it is lucid

every time so it would continue to go

off but this time it actually would be

laser that' be so problematic um can I

say one thing about other police cars

yeah all right you you know how the

charger for a long time was the police

car of choice yeah all right charger was

disc continued last year yeah there are

still 5,000 Chargers and Challengers on

dealer Lots yeah fun fact they stop

production a year ago wow wow rough

situation yeah there will be a new

charger theoretically then of this year

the charger EV will be out out you know

we were the story we were told was that

the car was tremendously popular and

they were only discontinuing it due to

restrictions the 5,000 of them yeah

doesn't sell that's not a huge amount

that they sell they stopped production a

year ago yeah wow is that include TR

Challenger yeah but sell them some of

the most some of those are demons that

they haven't been titled at still on MSO

right true 12 of them are demons that

have not been titled still on MSO I will

say there was news this week that uh

Dodge is moving up the launch of the gas

powered charger there initially their

plan was to launch the EV at the end of

this year so December and then the gas

one next December now they're moving it

to early summer for the gas one

hurricane powered yeah um I'm not

surprised to hear that I think the

reality of the situation is simply that

electric cars are having the impact that

they were intended to have um we talked

about last week probably even less so

going forward yeah so that's not really

all that surprising I don't find 5,000

still on dealer lots to be that huge of

a deal they're going to be fine they'll

sell them you and me will get one

okay move on to the next news oh this

news St did you see this this is all

over everything there's a Chrysler Dodge

Jeep dealership apparently in Kentucky

that when a Viper the Viper was new the

original Viper was new they just put one

on their sign in front and then they've

since uh they periodically remove it you

know to like clean it and make it nice

again and they've done that this week

and so they there were pictures of it

with like rats nest yeah infested all

over the interior like but it's going to

be down for a few months while they kind

of fix it up and then they put it are

they putting it back up yeah they are

now couple interesting things go back to

the shot this sign is not compliant this

is not a

Chrysler so this dealership clearly is

kind of doing their own thing obviously

because they have to call out Scott's

crane service to take a Viper off the

sign you think they call Scott and he's

like yep I I was there eight years ago

when we did it i'm we'll do it again the

irony of course is that Dodge no longer

sells any cars yeah so well they got the

they got 5,000 challengers in char

800 of them here at uh at this

dealership anyway uh this was an

interesting story it was odd to me that

they threw wheels on it yeah that is an

interesting move a lot of people put

aftermarket wheels on original vipers

because they the tire size it became

hard to find tires but that's not really

a problem with it for this car it's not

really in motion you know the birds

don't mind the date codes are expired

date codes are old yeah anyway so that's

an interesting situation uh filipo any

comment no only that you forgot to

mention Ram as one of the brands at the

dealership CER Dodge Jeep Ram Maserati

presumably they have all the Fiat

whenever Fiat decides they want to sell

a car in the United States well they

they hope to yeah it's a tough situation

but how many people you think this

brought in how many Neons did this sell

back in the day that there was a Viper

on the sign outside so many so many

interesting worth every penny this is

advertising interesting use of halo car

put it literally above people

well if remember the Audi R8 brought

people into dealers and they bought a4s

boom yeah got Neons probably equally

successful on the sign as just it

existing beautiful situation okay next

news sty please ah yes Cadillac has

announced a new electric SUV called the

vitique yep now Cadillac I I do find it

interesting they've decided to go back

to naming their cars yeah um which

Lincoln pioneered and by pioneered I

mean they started doing it two years ago

uh but Cadillac has decided they're

going to stop with the ct6 ct8 CT F and

all their electric cars seem to be have

names like visti and celesti and they

all have q's and Escalade IQ which it

should be Escalade it should be squa it

really should be anyway I don't about

this car and I don't know if they

released any details and even if they

did obviously we wouldn't remember it's

an electric car it's like it looks like

it's XTS sized cute cute but yeah yeah I

will tell you this looks good the

Cadillac T6 is a midsize sport utility

vehicle call XTS oh my goodness they've

been manufacturing for five or six years

now it's generally agreed to be middle

of the road not a high quality vehicle

however I think it's beautiful looks

great here is an electric version of it

essentially it's like the same overall

this looks like a nice car the lyc looks

weird I the lyric looks kind of weird

but it looks good and the light

treatment is excellent if you see one at

night it looks so Co it does look nice

this looks nice this does look nice I

legitimately think it's one of

Cadillac's best designs yeah is a little

bit much does like a little more

restrain a little classier right yeah no

I think this looks good the Escalade IQ

especially is a little bit much it's big

and gaping okay long time ago you sent

me a photo of one around I have not seen

a single one since I saw one in July and

here we are in November it's not on sale

and San Diego is a great barometer for

that because we get everything that's

new and like except for particular one I

saw in net but it had manufacturing

plates it wasn't a it wasn't a you seen

one owned by the

I don't think it's for sale I don't it's

no it's still not on the market uh it's

a slow roll out but anyway I think that

at the very least that this looks cool

hard on EVS they be question celesti

with theque Now isn't there a little one

there is one a little one announce that

I don't remember what it's called but

it's something with a Q they're going

hard any the market is not every lyric I

see is a Uber black do you agree it's

all esid and it's all no every lyric

every lyric I'm so sorry yeah no there's

a few in our neighborhood that are that

are

least uh that are least I me honest

highly subsidized least deals what you

what can you lose one of those for I

think like in 400s I imagine the optic

is the or is the small one Optique can

you put up a picture of the Optique I'd

like to see what that it's op it's like

optick but with a

Q oh oh no with a it looks good yeah but

not this is a Blazer

EV yeah or an equinox E I don't know

what the chassis is yikes uh the the the

one we're just looking at whatever it's

called looks better this yeah sure it's

hard to remember they decided to go with

names but half the name on all the cars

is the same so instead of like XT XT XT

it's going to be eek eek eek on every

car all right give us the next news

story please oh a few weeks ago we

talked about the passport the Honda

Passport which is a smaller version of

the pilot uh off-road version that would

there were like teaser shots and now it

has been fully revealed and it looks

good it does look good there's people

talking about how it's a pretty legit

off-roader yeah in the same way that

like all of these are vaguely legit off

with that an outb back Wilderness is a

legit off-roader but the 4Runner is a

legit offro it's not like that why not

do that well cuz they would have to

build like they don't build trucks they

they don't know the last truck they

built was an ISU Rodeo it's all

marketing though this car has but it

looks good at more cool stuff than the

previous passport the prev passport was

literally a pilot just shrunk a little

bit right this looks at least a little

bit different looks cool the orange drls

look good they do and the side profile

shots also look pretty good it's a it's

a good- looking car yeah no I agree with

that uh it is a nice looking car um I

I'm always concerned about the reality

of an off-road vehicle if it doesn't

have body on frame and all sorts of off

nobody cares everybody just wants it to

look like a cgo Offroad what do you want

from what do you want from your

off-roading vehicle I want it to say 70

series Land Cruiser that's what I want

you won't accept anything short of a 7

series Land Cruiser you know what this

has that that the 70 series doesn't have

St picnic table like the old CRV like

the old CRV wow they claim it also has

rock sliders and Trail watch cameras

that's legit this is maybe not as bad as

I was thinking it would be I

just who in this segment is not getting

a Grand Cherokee or a 4Runner the

problem is Honda has watched those cars

be successful Ford made the same mistake

with the edge they've watched those cars

be successful and they don't quite

understand what has made them successful

which is like real capability to back up

like everybody who tries to do a G wagon

and doesn't really do it it fails

because like the whole people want to

buy capability they don't need and

Honda's like well work's going to give

you all the capability you do need and

none of the extra and it's like you

don't get it people what sells the car

is the capability they're not going to

use I think you're wrong because you are

well aware because we live in the same

area there's so many cross Trek

wildernesses about like a third of cross

track sold are wildernesses that might

may or may not be true but I think it is

broadly right and like are are they

doing anything no but they want it to

look off-road you're buying a password

because you want to look offro now why

you're not buying a CR there's no

off-road during that segment really but

same is true for the Forester Wilderness

which does exist and the Outback

Wilderness yeah and those aren't around

though they are around seen a Forester

world really I've never seen one in my

life you just haven't been looking but I

think there is a market for people that

want something that can that they are

confident can go down the dirt road they

go down once a year even though a

regular pth passport or Camry could as

well but they want the appearance of it

and this will do enough of it yeah I

mean that's definitely true and it's a

nice looking car I agree with you on

that and I'm glad that they added a

little bit more true capability because

they have been marketing this as an

off-roader for a while and that has not

been true and it's nice to actually have

some real capability you and me can take

it on the trails when they send me I

would I would love to do that I will say

I don't like how the back looks but

that's issue well I well look you don't

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the next news story please all right

real cars so uh so so Porsche has added

two new models to the tyon range and

they've added a body style so they've

given us the tyon body style they

already had yes but they kind of they

brought it I

don't it is a refresh and I wasn't here

for the first year the refresh exactly

it wasn't here for the first so they've

given us the tyon 4 and the GTS the four

obviously being all-wheel drive which is

important that car it's still pretty

impressive do 06 4.4 seconds which is it

ain't slow but I guess none of the tyon

are but the real one to talk about is

the GTS which now has 690 horsepower uh

and it got like a couple different

things you could option rear wheel drive

string to make handle better and blah

blah blah but I guess they thought they

needed to broaden this range more my

belief was they weren't selling all that

many tyon these days models now in

that's a lot like two more kind of feels

like a lot yeah

um the it is a lot especially

considering that sales have not really

been great but they can sell them in

different trims without much effort

because it's just like different states

of sure but yeah they're still expensive

it start the four starts at 105 Grand

105 and the sport tourismo GTS

1517 the good news is that in a year and

a half they'll all be worth equivalent

on the site yeah exactly like it's just

there's not a lot of demand for these

cars they're cool but like 57 for 4S

from 2020 92 for 23 GTS that's like the

one too yeah we were discussing the tyon

sports arisma might be the best looking

EV for sale yeah no it does I agree with

that and also like the most car

Enthusiast to EV like we were saying but

like the the the values just become so

low so quickly which speaks to the level

of demand that this car has and so I

appreciate that they're offering new

models but Porsche must realize like no

there's not huge interest in tyon it's

interesting that Porsche continues to

invest in tyon line at the level that

they are considering that I think there

are in De I mean this was in motion

years ago already so I think they just

have to do it at this point they're kind

of stuck with it otherwise it's just a

complete loss altogether so they were

going to roll it out as it was still you

know I it is interesting like we've

talked about many times now that they

are now kind of walking back EV thing

pretty pretty quickly here so I am kind

of curious to see I mean there's face

with P but will there be a gas Maan or

will it be EV only I I've seen one Maan

EV like are are they preparing for when

that doesn't sell I guess we'll we'll

see I I think I think they're probably

as anxious about it as anybody

but yeah it's an interesting situation

uh McAn V I'm not really sure about for

sure have you driven you haven't driven

one but they're portly going to send me

one soon okay give us another one o yes

all right this is a Mercedes AMG gt43

yeah the 43 has been revealed yeah as as

pricing base model yeah base model first

of all Doug can you guys how much

horsepower this has um it is of course a

two-door rear wheel drive unlike the

rest which all-wheel drive sports car

it's got probably like 500 horsepower

it's got 416 horsepower from a 2 L

inline 4 416 yeah 16 yeah cuz it's the

it's the 2 L 4 okay without the hybrid

components of this like so what they

what are they charging for it 107 is the

MSRP 107 base I mean so you're paying

$17,000 for a 416

horsepower coup it's another car that

depreciates fast it's interesting these

automakers release all these cars we

it's funny we've talked about lucid Eric

tyon and now AMG g43 AMG GT all of which

have been tremendously fast appreciators

in the used Market they're all released

by these automakers and then immediately

they have these massive incentives on

these cars to try to get people to buy

them the the the coupe is a the luxury

coup segment is a tough one Mercedes

really was trying to compete with 911 um

they made the new SL sportier it hasn't

worked they made the AMG GT just

essentially a coupe version of the SL to

kind of combine them into one car I

think that's just confusing frankly I

think that this car is confusing in

general um it's just an odd Market

segment I get what they're trying to do

cuz like I how much horsepower does a

Bas 911 have 400 something

presumably no I think it was I think

it's three great so they're beating the

B on 11 an an LC 500 is around 100 Grand

too so like I get how they're getting to

that price it's similar horsepower for a

similar price point with other luxury

copes but this is a car nobody yeah

people want 911s want 911 people want

like people that want a GT an AMG GT

want more than 46 horsepower from a

4-cylinder yeah they don't want a

four-cylinder and then if they do they

want this this is ultimately going to be

like a lease play for people who want

like something cool and it does look

good yeah no does look good and and and

they're going to be able to get them at

pretty good incentivized rates pretty

soon because but to be honest with you

I've been kind of confused about this

whole thing since the SLS the SLS came

like the SLS was like very high

performance it competed with the 458

like it was a big bronny 62 like 6.2 L

V8 really powerful car then the AMG GT

came out with substantially less power

still amazing looks and it kind of felt

like that but it wasn't anywhere near on

the performance level the SLS was and

then they made a gazillion trims of it

that no one knows or can keep I think

Mercedes I think the goal was they first

came out the SLR and I think the goal

initially always was for these cars to

be Halo cars but they realized the same

thing luxus realized with the LFA which

is that a halo car that cost a half

million dollars doesn't have enough of a

halo effect so they they've subsequently

lowered the the price point but now it's

not even really a halo car and trying to

compete with the 911 Mercedes doesn't

know what to the answer is Mercedes

doesn't know what to do with the SL and

they're confused because no one is

buying the SL and no one's bought the SL

in 10 years and so they're confused

about where to take the SL and so this

time they've merged with amgt I

guarantee this will not be the strategy

for the Next Generation if the cars even

stick around plus if you're doing that

and you want to be vaguely a Halo card

just do the 63 don't do a 400 horsepower

four cylinder one right right also by

the way used AMG GTS with an actual V8

are 60 yeah which is a deal yeah yeah

but I mean a new car is a new car and

it's a different kind of world

nonetheless it is pricey for what it is

and that engine has not been getting a

lot of great this without the hybrid

stuff too $225,000 a

cylinder all right give us the next one

we got another great news story here our

friend Marquez brownley and he is a

friend of the channel yeah so Marquez

does this video with a Lamborghini where

he's going too fast and people lose it

in the comments I can't believe you're

going so fast he blurred the speedo but

the RTO has the passenger side

I just want to say this oh oh all right

all right myself the number one

criticism I get the number one video

criticism I get is that I do not drive

the cars hard enough number one and if

you watch my videos in the video there's

like a three-minute segment where I

drive the car at kind of normal

speeds and people are always like he

just whenever you get into a Doug deuro

comment thing on Reddit or wherever the

number one thing he never he doesn't

even know how to drive he only drives

slow he's he doesn't really test the

cars he doesn't really get in the he

doesn't know anything and um Farah has

also gotten in trouble for the same

thing that Marquez has gotten in trouble

with now and I just find it to be

grading it is difficult as a content

creator and when I I I was thinking

about this today like when I started off

my my YouTube world I was kind of famous

for like replying to everybody and being

very engaged with the audience and it's

hard to stay at that level because you

are just getting ridiculous criticism

constantly all the time now Marquez

going too fast in a you know 90 or

whatever in a 40 I yeah it's wrong but

the if he didn't he would get the

criticism I get and I think he would

actually get more of it because because

he's a tech YouTuber he doesn't have as

much credibility in the car space to

begin with and so he needs to prove to

these people that he can drive the cars

fast and can actually feel the handling

and give good honest like review

opinions based on his Driving Experience

and so what I tell people now is I drive

the cars correctly not on camera and

then on camera I just put my take but it

doesn't stop people from saying

literally the number one I mean it is a

constant complaint that I hear that I

don't drive the cars fast enough and I

think the answer is you can't play

people no the the the channels that have

made it a point to do a lot of drag

races on closed tracks get around that

in a really smart way you can do it you

rent out tracks that's not for almost

everybody and so then you have to either

choose to do what I do and get that

complaint or choose to do what he didn't

get that complaint and those are

basically the only two ways around it

yeah admittedly he was going fast in

well I believe it was not actually an

active school zone but in a school I

learned my lesson I learned my lesson

from phah I wouldn't do what he did but

I feel for him because I know that the

alternative is also getting complaints

and I texted him and I said you know

what I learned of my channel is what I

do I make my goal to get the fewest

number of complaints it is my goal is

not to get zero complaints and it's not

to make the most people happy it is to

get the fewest amount of complaints and

so some of the choices I make are for

that reason and you know he drives a RTO

slowly people are going to be like well

you didn't drive it hard but that's

still a lesser thing than going over the

speed limit you're still going to get

complaints it's YouTube it's the way the

audience is and it's difficult though as

a Creator to just kind of there's no wi

way to win some of this stuff there

really is not that's my Marquez rant I

don't think I wouldn't have done it and

I don't do it on camera ever don't do it

on camera wink well but but like I think

you have to wink but the audience

doesn't buy it one of the things that

has blown me away doing YouTube videos

is realizing that whatever the audience

thinks they see they just that's the

truth to them like I will I'll post a

video that I shot in Kansas a year ago

and people be like oh my God you're in

Kansas it's like it's it doesn't all

there's snow on the ground right now or

there there's leaves when

you're the summer I get I I get that

though people are watching what they're

watching they're not thinking of how

they see the seams of How It's put

together but my point is so when I drive

the car slowly they just assume the only

time I ever had to drive that car was

the two and a half minutes we edited

together it's like what I will say you

always made the smart decision to not do

a forward- facing camera yeah to to to

not people complain about it and now you

understand why and and it's not just

Marquez it's Farah it's everybody else

who's done this um you you make it

Choice who do you want to upset and then

you go and make YouTube

videos okay

he he he had a good apology on social

media apologized and it was lovely and

what this is going to do is mean that

he's not going to drive the car as fast

on camera anymore and I promise you

within 6 months YouTube will have

forgotten that this happened and instead

they'll be complaining that he doesn't

six months I give it two and a half

weeks maybe tops okay next we're going

to talk about cars which is what we've

been doing the big talk cars thing is

that uh my careera GT has gone in for

the big recall this was a couple days

ago remind me what this entails there's

a suspension recall where some

suspension component they showed me the

component it's tremendously small uh

will in theory will corrode and then the

car will crash and you will die right

cuz so many of these cars see corrosive

elements you know they the climate

control garages they sit in they're

whole thing is obviously laughable

especially because they didn't get a

single car that actually crashed um but

they showed me what they were placing

and so there's a little there's a little

suspension part inside of like a Rubber

seal bearing thing and because they

can't replace just that they're

replacing all this suspension work

around it and it's crazy I mean it it's

a lot of stuff it's a lot of like very

expensive titanium component within a

bushing within a bu yeah yeah with

exactly so they're replacing this an

enormous amount I mean not an enormous

amount but a car like that it's gets

expensive fast we talking about titanium

parts for free suspension it's like

depending on where it is the disassembly

in order to replace it is can be

expensive and then you have to sometimes

do an alignment and all the other stuff

which they are going to do they're going

be free tires and a couple of

interesting things came out of this

first off I got a ler car and the dealer

told me that I am the first CER GT owner

in the history of the dealership to

request a l

car so I got I got a base Cayenne uh and

it's great I'll tell you heck of a car

um we still don't know if it's a postf

facelift or pre I think it's new I don't

know

much we got a base Cayenne uh the other

thing that happened is I decided I would

also do the fouryear service because

it's been 5 years since I did the

fouryear service since I didn't own the

car then and so I call a dealer and I

said look you know while the car is

there I might as well do this F pors is

giving a credit to the CRT owner is 3500

bucks towards your service and so I

figur I said yeah I might as well apply

that towards this four-year service he

said yeah it's no problem and uh it'll

be about uh 15,000 and I'm like what

what you said it like it was like it was

like a oil chain it is 1% of the value

of the car if I get an oil change in the

Fiat it's 1% of the value of the car so

think about oil change it's the old 1%

anyway so I uh agreed to that uh but we

we were we took some stuff off of the

fouryear service one of the things that

they look for is coil pack and

apparently mine was replaced 5 years ago

and they don't think it'll need another

one and the 3500 credit goes toward it

and so I think it'll be something in the

eight gr it's insane yeah that's rough

all it is is like a couple of fluids

Drive

belts and like brake fluid there's not

much to it oil change it's that's 15 G

huh that yes we have an expression in

the Indie Community for service it's

called the you took it to the Steelers

ship that's what happened there what

it's a p it's a c GT you can't short of

sending it to Jimmy yeah that's those

are your two options you're spend five

grand for shipping and and and Jimmy I

sometimes I wonder though because

Jimmy's Jimmy's very reasonable price

like would the shipping be worth it but

but also a troop movement is is

dangerous for a car like that like

getting in on a truck and all that so

yeah especially with the clutch like

it's a it's a whole thing so they're

doing the the old foure sour but anyway

the thing that the thing that all this

got started for in my mind was um the

mission X oh the new electric hyper car

which apparently they're not going to

make or are going to make can you pull

up a picture of the mission X cuz going

to be honest I looked at this the

remember what looks like o the Acura adx

one in shorter than Arc oo you think

that's part of their marketing material

I hope so I almost Ty it also looks

identical Al identical to an HRV despite

not being based on an HRV at all okay

click on this picture cuz I think it's

the most heinous picture o yeah so this

car is Ugo obviously so the mission X

was announced years ago and it was this

electric hyper card they were going to

make and no one wants it but they was

released like revealed like 10 years it

was a while ago well so then obviously

they're not going to I apparently

they're not going to do it or maybe they

are maybe they're not but going to do

another hyper we're very knowledgeable

about the topic well no there's been

nothing official but when career GT

concept was the real C GT came out a

couple years later and looked identical

so this thing got shown and people like

well I guess this is coming but because

apparently there's not a lot of interest

in these electric hyper cars maybe

they're not the point is I was thinking

about what would it take to get me into

a mission x what would it have to be for

me to actually buy it well considering

you didn't like the 918 I don't think

you're okay but that's my point I did

like the 911 St so what would they have

to

do so start with a manual manual

transmission unquestionably would you do

an electric car if they a manual not at

that price absolutely not at that price

point I would love to have an electric

daily and I really think I should but at

that price point absolutely no chance if

the 918 had a manual would that have

solved it would that be the car you'd

want basically uh maybe if it was really

good na8 with with with hybd assist from

the race car with a manual transmission

uh no 98 is too expensive for me also

that's the other thing so pricing I hate

to tell you I suspect this will be too

expensive as well Ken can you go to a

nicer picture so we don't have to look

at this dude I'm telling you that's what

it looks like salamander picture let me

let me tell you what I think also you

want you want to talk appearance look up

the 904 living legend concept this is

going to change your mind Porsche 904

living legend concept this is what it

would have to look like wait living I

it'll probably just Legend

okay that looks cool it's it is an EXL

look like an N yeah okay it's based on

the Volkswagen XL1 which was a very tin

97 turbo wheel it was it's from that era

yeah oh it is but if they made it look

like this with a manual and like a 600k

price tag count me in for M you're aware

that it's the length of a young child

you're missing the point you're missing

the point I agree it's based on the X1

so it's actually a small electric car

but I'm telling you it looks cool it

does look cool if they made it look like

this I would be interested interesting H

but that's about it it's cool right it's

really cool yeah it's very like Alpine a

is very yes it is it is that's a good

point but it's like longer tail like

like an old Porsche race car kind of

yeah it's it's really cool why they

build this why did they build this

except not as a Volkswagen XL1 right

right Bas it on something good take the

design make it bigger cuz an XL1 is a

tiny little thing make the design a

little bigger but scale up the

proportions and scale up the proportions

toss in a na10 from a race car like my

CR GT has

casual and a manual transmission how

much did you pay I think I'd pay six or

seven depends on production numbers

but i' pay how much would the KT 440 cuz

a lot of the a lot of the reason for

this recall in my opinion is because

they're trying to get people to be hand

raisers for the next hyper car it's not

just to avoid more lawsuits there's that

too okay um and so I'm thinking what

would it take and the answer is that 904

living legend you'd pay 66

700 depends on production if they made a

thousand a thousand I don't think they'd

be able to justify doing it at 600 units

no or at at

$600,000 um I they would have to make

2,000 but I'm cool with that okay I'm

here porsa if you're listen I'll do it

build it if it has any sort of automatic

transmission or hybrid I'm

out kenon tell us your top cars moment

of the week yes so I just recently as of

yesterday the 13th of November I

celebrated nine years I've owned my E39

M5 thank you in that time I put uh just

over I put about 86,000 miles on it wow

um and it's the I I also made a video I

watch it every year I made a video for

E39 Source documenting the whole journey

of flying down to get it and like

driving it back with my friends Ryan and

Steven and I'm still just as excited now

as I was when I bought the car wow it

looks even it looks much better now um

than it did then a lot has changed with

that car it's been a lot of

modifications yes but on the topic of

but also recently so I was on a date

with this girl that I've been seeing we

went down to of this art installation

they had like one of these zolan things

where it gives you like a fortune and uh

it gave me mine and it said you have not

been wise with your money lately it's

important to reward yourself for your

hard work but a full in his money will

soon part remember this the next time

you receive a some of money and I

suspect it was referring to

my that is wise with your money you you

needed those you needed those uh Fender

liners oh yes for $112,000 I mean

obviously it's not referring to that

it's no that one's a reasonable just I I

realized like yeah it is an investment

in how much I love the car and I am

still just so thrilled to get in it

every time and and a lot of people have

been suggesting I get some daily but to

be honest with you I just love driving

that car when I get in that car to do

anything with it's to go play tennis

with you guys or to come here to work or

to just drive on the highway for the

sake of driving just happy to be in the

M5 and so N9 years later I'm just even

more excited to drive the car now I

think than I was when I bought it yeah

have you owned any car for nine years uh

not not currently just ever yeah I had

that Range Rover that CarMax Range Rover

for like seven or something well the

Ford GT I've had for like six and a half

I mean I'm getting there on some of

these and I will yeah you've never had a

car for nine years no five had the one

it's pretty impressive for a car

Enthusiast all my other car Enthusiast

friends are like degenerates who every

two weeks want to buy another car right

right well and do you once said in a

Sunday video that a lot of car

enthusiasts wax lyrical about keeping a

car forever I'm not even necessarily

saying I'm to Jet with the M5 but it's

going to happen well yeah it's

interesting I I do agree that's an

interesting point um so many people

people are like I I'm going to keep my

car forever and they never do but you've

never said that but like are just sort

of doing it because that's what you like

yes that's the way to do it not be one

of those Lou who's like I want creeper

forever then they sell it six weeks

later both E39 and 5 guys just driving

around Malcolm Gladwell true who else

you know Malcolm Gladwell is daily

driver uh Akira no um Aura adx no uh

Aura RDX Type S it's not Accura it's not

a what it's not anacura I I don't know

brand you're referring to uh what is it

the KIA Carnival okay um but I love the

car and it's not going anywhere ether 95

and everybody in the comments gets mad

that Ken brings up his ether 95 two

things about that number one that goes

back to what I said earlier about the

annoyance but number two this is Kenan

this is who Kenan is well I'm passionate

about other cars the thing is they cost

hundreds of thousands of dollars and

it's like to be honest and you can't use

them the way I want to use them like I

your point about the Ford GT is the

reason you love that is because you can

take it and drive it places that you

can't wouldn't dream of doing with the

kunos and the career GT is worth over a

million dollars and so like you can't

but the e395 despite how much money I

have into It ultimately it's not that

expensive of a car it's extremely usable

very practical would I love do I want

other cars of course I'll have other

cars with it but it's the rock upon

which I build I just love it right

that's fair we're happy for you thanks

thank you very much okay our next topic

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market report Ken and I both want to

talk about uh z3m coups yes so recently

we sold this this particular one which I

thought was fascinating because it's

kind of the one to have so it's the it's

the Clown Shoe y it's an s54 it had some

modifications and admittedly it was a

salvage stle but in like 2002 so like

that's not really relevant Sal TI huh

yeah it was a branded title in 02 but it

sold for

285 now it did have miles on it 63,000

but it's not crazy for one of these but

that I mean it just shows that the these

are coming down sorry you're calling 285

for a salvage

titled because these yeah cuz s54 ones

the really nice ones were 100 like they

were very expensive for a while and now

they have like really settled n s52 ones

are still a really good buy yeah that

was what I was talk about Nick Nick Nick

mentioned to us the other day just

privately that he thinks these z3m coups

are good deals they really are if you

don't focus on the s54 thing the fact

that you can get these cars I mean you

drive this around no one knows whether

you have an s52 or an s54 first off and

second they're just so cool some of us

know well there are very little ways

that Kenan knows how to tell you of

course know how to tell on a par I don't

but they are such cool cars they are

such cool cars and they're so

distinctive and I don't know if I would

necessarily go as far as calling them

iconic but they are distinctive and cool

in a very special way well was a it was

a rare moment when BMW decided let's do

something quirky yeah let's do something

and also it was it was an engineer Pet

Project they the BMW didn't want to make

a coupe version of it Engineers did it

in their spare time famously and were

able to make a a case for it using parts

from other cars the E30 T and and and

they did it and look at how look how

cool that thing

looks yeah I I think it's I think it's a

really really special car and the fact

that they're the fact that the s52 ones

are only 20 grand is like a toal deal

s52 is not a bad engine no s52 s52 is a

great engine it's not as exotic as the

s54 or the European version but it's

more Rel Rel and these cars are all old

I mean I can't imagine an s54 is even

that fast by modern standards uh the car

this light it's pretty quick is pretty

fast yeah I guess so but even an s52 is

probably okay I mean they're it's a fun

car to drive around it's cool it's

quirky and it's not expensive and

they're certainly not losing value two

years ago I went up to the Pacific

Northwest where I did a trio of videos I

did I reviewed an s52 clown shoot an E46

3 and Honda NS or Acura Acura excuse me

NSX sorry I didn't want to confuse you

that Tak of the three like when I

analyzed price and Driving Experience

whatever the the shoe was the one I

liked the most like it just was a nice

balance of everything it's cool and it's

it's damn it drives well and it is cool

people knock the Z3 because it's the Z3

and it's like the Lesser I think that's

all a bunch of BS and and the fact that

it's a coupe and the M it's all cool and

I think that these cars are total

Bargains at their number with an s52 and

it yes S5 before has got absolutely

crazy and maybe are seeing a little bit

of they're coming they're they're coming

down certainly really minty minty minty

drivve around this be so cool look at

that rear dish on that rear wheel man

that is just delicious hey kenon before

we move on do you want to tell Doug how

to tell aart cuz there this is a really

good I mean you can tell from right here

so for those of you who don't know I'll

I will this is classroom Clown Shoe Time

with kenon so one way to tell is the

wheel finish is the only other M car

that got Chrome Shadow wheel finish like

the E39 M5 only two ones they ever did

it with so that's one way to inst which

one has it which one doesn't so the the

s52 does not just finished in Hyper

Silver that's one the other thing is the

m batch changed significantly so this

one is like the E46 M3 where at which is

a little bit more rounded looking when

you look at an s52 car it's like the E36

M3 which is a little of course I pick on

I click on a car that doesn't have it uh

let's see this one has it you can see

it's much more flat look go back to the

other one I should you know we're going

signicant significant is the word I

would use for

sure look fipo this is a brand this is a

brand that values subtlety go go to it

all right so see how that one is kind of

more back to the other one much more

flat so completely different there now

those are both pretty changeable things

they

are inside as well there are there are

changes too so you can see here so yeah

so for so the gauge cluster on the s52

cars is black on the S before cars it's

gray okay changeable also changeable

also a little more difficult cuz it also

applies down here to but I'm going to

pull this out at Carson coffee next time

you right this is the guy who knows the

difference between the Acura trims

currently like on every sub model so I

mean yeah exactly you want you want Guff

here wait so is that all well you start

it and it sounds different but the

badges also open

the the badges apply to the sides too

that's another thing that changed I mean

they're really subtle ways to tell but

yeah that that's that's largely how you

tell the tell the difference I yeah

that's that's it I think thank you for

that lesson um okay we are I actually I

want to do the last market report thing

that I wanted to talk about which is the

Evo pull up the Evo let's just talk

about it let's just get it out in the

open let's get out the open let's just

get it out in the open this is the

coolest thing that's ever been sold on

car Goods well we sold that first gen

HRV once but dude I when I was a kid I

was I car came out when I turned 15 16

and at the time it was the coolest thing

the world we were all playing Grand

Turismo and we had all wanted Nissan to

bring us the GTR and subar to bring us

the WRX and mitsub to bring us the Evo

Nissan never did bring us the GTR they

brought us the new GTR but we never got

the skyline that we played in Gran

turism Y and Subaru redesigned the

empreza and brought us the WX but

Mitsubishi just was like all right yep

and after the Evo 6 they gave us the Evo

7 which was or they gave us the evo 8

which was quite similar it was just sort

of like the car we all play it even had

a rear wiper like Japanese Market sedans

do and US market sedans never do

and immediately when the cars started to

get sold here people started to modify

them and crash them yep and you just

don't see nice ones and this one is a

nice one and I want it yep it is nice I

I think it has very limited yeah

powdercoated brake calipers and an

Alpine head unit that's it yeah y it

where that's the situation no evo

anymore first gen how many do you think

exist like this still I mean especially

in a cool col yeah especially in a this

is one of those hey is it modded no it's

only got an exhaust a tune it's lowered

and it's wheels and a built motor but

it's not compared to my buddies just

boltons just

boltons I think this car is so cool and

I just remember my childood and how

desperately I wanted one of these we all

played these video games these were the

coolest cars you could find in video

games and here it is in real life 20

years later Blue by You Blue by you

that's right it it is cool it's nice to

see one of these preserved it just just

just doesn't happen not even window 10

yeah no I know it's just totally totally

OE okay next up time to move on to the

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stupid okay first question from qal a

lot of these are for you today Ken oh

okay hi Doug and the other two I pose

this isn't one of them what are your

thoughts about clear tailights for

example the 2014 Porsche GT3 came with

Factory option clear taillights and I

think it's a great look I drive as

Toyota Sienna which had clear tailights

I think it's one EV but only the SE if

only the SE uh the answer is they're

fine I don't know okay next got an

opinion on really I actually kind of

agreed that on the Sienna it works it

worked on some cars the 997 GTS has

clear tail lights I hate them I think

they look horrible so the 997 clear

tails the problem with those was part of

them were still red yeah because there

were regulatory components that had to

Beed I actually do hate them on these

the 991 clear tals they go to the 997

clear tals this change this will change

your life but it's not GT3 take out GT3

9 and S clear Tails OE because the non

OE ones aren't these are not OE uh where

are the OE that that was the clear taale

for the 997 it looks it looks wearing

eyeliner looks so bad it was the best

they could do at the time it wasn't good

no I thought it was GTS only uh it was

this this actually now that I look at it

I don't know if it's the exact OE clear

tail but it was very similar in spirit

and no one got them because it was just

so not clear yep anyway um no you could

get them on other ones but very few

people did I don't mind them on the

right cars is 300 of course wore at Best

of course oh no first gen I'll tell of

course second gen RX every RX every the

first two generations of RX were clear

RX 330 yeah larger cars seem to pull it

off better than sports cars I think it

works on some cars it doesn't work on

other cars and I think almost no car

that has been modified to add it does it

look good true true it was available I

know this is very E39 it was available

on the E39 like these are Factory

Believe It or Not these are Factory yeah

those are Factory hel tailights that is

tragic bad well that's ha okay uh deep

pain next question Aiden Kelly 666

question for Doug an honored guest I was

once kicked out of an aircooled Porsche

group on Facebook during Co for asking

if they think prices would go down

because there are a million of them and

they are slow question what is the

fastest or funniest way to make a

Porsche purist angry

uh that kind of thing I mean I think

that the people the production numbers

is really my thing about those cars

they're really not rare they're cool

yeah and they are slow yeah they're not

quick um I just don't get into the

pedantry of the Portrait People in so I

I'm sorry what the pedantry pedantry

okay I thought you just massively Mis

proun pedigree I thought thought you to

say pageantry was what you people are so

pedantic about so many little things

that I just can't bring myself to care

about I think that's that's another good

one if someone's showing you a nine oh

yeah well calling a pdk car a tip we

like to do that that really upsets them

but also like if they're showing you

their car and they're talking about how

they have deviated stitching on their

map like around their map lights and you

just go do you ever drive the car here's

here's a reality okay I have a Porsche

and I go to Cars and Coffee and all go

to car events right and people because

it's me I can't be mean ever to people

right to their cars so when people show

me their cars I always have be like oh

yeah that's the coolest thing I've ever

seen and most of the time they are cool

yeah but sometimes I'll get a Porsche

dude who thinks that I'm a Porsche dude

and he'll be like you got to come over

here and take a look at this cuz this is

the only one they made with a sunroof

and the only one they made with this

stitching and the

and that's when you pointed the Canon

yeah I'm like got talk to my friend Sam

over here Sam yeah send him to Sam I

just like I get into cars for their

overall Driving Experience and the way

they are and the way they feel and the

way Etc and I don't get into cars like

the little the little tiny like the

stitching is different kind of stuff I

get that I understand those people are

there it's cool it's their thing it's

not my thing and so like I don't really

gel with the Porsche community in that

way they're rich Corvette people it's

like that's where you kind of get to

it's just like yeah no I agree like

ultimately it's infuriating to me to see

a car that is designed for driving GT3

the ultimate driver's car and it's only

driven to cars in coffee and back and

but like like oh I put ppf on it and

then I got I got the Porche design watch

match it's like and 80% of the threads

on rless are what spec should I get nice

spec all they want talking oh you

beautiful spec and it's like don't any

of you care about like the the driving

enjoyment of the vehicle I got the sport

seats cuz they're better for resale well

why don't you get the seats that are

better for your Driving Experience not

making this up I once read of a I wish I

could find it I once read a um a ren

list like Thread about which dealer had

like the nicest C offerings like for at

their in their service department like

within like northeastern Ohio and it was

like oh you're focusing on the wrong

thing it was hard to read and the

comments were as ingre just as you would

expect it's it's I will use a French

press I I I go on the ren list and I

it's just hard it's hard the the the

Supercar section where we talk C GT it's

a little

easier but I go in some of those threads

and I'm just like I cannot believe

people are having these conversations um

and they've all been fooled into this

paint to sample thing even though the

colors aren't actually the sample

they're just older colors that a million

other people are getting also and the

whole thing is just is just I don't get

into the the pedantry much it's a bit

much drive the car which drive the car

drive the car you know I I do I do take

pride in the fact that the CR GT is like

Porsche God even though it's they were

all like silver with no options that's

like one of my favorite things um okay

next question from Paul Hanrahan Doug if

you had to completely replace your

current car collection with budget

economy cars which one would you pick

filipo you take this one okay your card

collection but they all have to be same

like genre of C I don't know that you

can

choose your family card would be

Highlander Hybrid which is not really a

budget economy car but if you buy a

four-year-old one there was a period of

time fun fact for for long-term Doug

followers uh where Doug Loves the high

high pull up like the which one did I

like the 12 yeah like 14 there was the

refresh ored the 08 to 121 yeah

everybody did this one but it's I like

the pre- refresh which preesh they're

all pre- refresh I think that that is

one of the more beautiful like normal

cars that has ever existed it's yeah uh

but budget economy C what would Doug buy

Doug would just buy any of them doesn't

matter whichever one's closest to his

house yeah I don't have an enormous

amount like when I'm it's funny because

people often ask me stuff like this like

when I'm renting a

car I don't my friends be like I got the

whatever I got a whatever at the rental

car agency today I'm just like I don't

care like I'm all set you just throw I

drive everything it doesn't matter all

that much me yeah a common way that Doug

recommends that people buy cars is which

dealer is closest to your house which

dealer is closer which salesperson do

you like better which color is better at

the dealer people come to me and they're

like should I get a Rav 4 a CRV or a CX5

and it's

like well first of all the CX5 you

should not buy you should buy the CX

hybrid to be competitive but I just like

to me like none of you're not going to

really notice that people are terrified

of making a bad decision when it comes

to buying a car and it's like you don't

get it it really at if you've gotten to

that level it doesn't matter now someone

came to me and said I'm thinking about

getting a

200 then we have a problem then it's

like I got to steer you different

direction think about it um so yeah the

answer is I don't know the answer really

but they it wouldn't be stuff that I

would really care all that much about

although I do think Fiat felipo should

get a Fiat multiple that is a great car

but it's not really like a modern quirky

Enthusiast car uh yeah it is I think I

think it might be the quirkiest car of

all time it looks like a rather it's not

a budget economy car it is budget econom

you're right the answer Doug would buy a

field multi okay next question from

Indore can hey guys you've just been

given $500,000 which you must use to buy

the following a daily driver a weekend

Cruiser a track toy what would your

picks be you think I need 500 Grand I

need close to 500 Grand give him 23

Grand he's I'm good one card it all uh

the answer of course I'd have to think

about it actually I need time to think

can I get a for GT in there yeah yeah

you you yeah I mean yeah Ford GT and a

couple boring cars for GT and a newe

class wagon you get to you have some

money left over for a track toy yeah

it's not a bad answer actually yeah 4 GT

for what three for a high a mild one 300

kind of solved the problem though right

there those two I don't even need three

what is yours so assuming I can't keep

The Ether 9 and5 I'll pull it out of wow

contention for this but chall put it in

you could have a daily for daily Dr oh

okay well I I but okay well yeah buy the

nicest one which is 50 and then keep

mine okay call it 20 I can get

reimbursed for it so I've made made

myself even a hole there um I think but

the 395 notwithstanding so I want to

pick just have some other stuff for 550

I'd love to have uh 97.1 GT3 uh for the

track car and then probably no probably

mosan would be a killer that is a wait

that's that's better than mine I want to

change mine now all right you can go 575

would be cool I can get a 575 like 100

right uh yeah if for a tip yeah tip 575

Mercy that's Mercy is a good choice yeah

but the what's that your track car well

they both be track cars yeah you drive

the one when the other one is

overheating at the track and then so

you're going to get eight laps between

them yeah but but that's a lot like when

you think about it then you break for

lunch you know every time I go to a

track day you only get like four laps

total because the instructors like to

hear themselves talk so much that that's

there's like it's like a 5 hour day and

4 and a half hours is the instructor

being like you got remember when you're

going to Corner one it was Nick in he's

like talk to the cones be friends with

the con it wasn't that yeah that but one

more you need a luxury car then I oh

then the cheapest the E-class wagon you

don't need to be cheapest you got money

left over uh those we're not thinking

big enough interes is a good one what

would you get I honestly don't know what

I would choose against me any $500,000

like is like this giant World never

considered it yeah that's oh I live in

California I don't have any kids or

anything I could have a Z8 is my daily

sure okay great there's 100 Grand of

your 500 that would be cool well no

they're not 100 that's like 130 to 180

at least for a nice color fine 130 but

but I mean the 550 is almost 200 the GT3

is 145 congratulations you have three

two dark what if I want a super M I'm

keep the m i want a super America that's

can I get a super America and a mercy

320 let's I can get a super America for

200 tip 200 220 and a mercy for 180 so

that's 400 I just spent and then eClass

wagon I got money left over I'll give to

you but just you know your super America

top won't work it won't work what what

is yours have you ever comp with any

never even considered anything filipo

doesn't do thought exercises but also he

would never get a daily driver a weekend

Cruiser or a track chy road legal like

it's just not who he is at his heart no

I would get one car and it would be 45

Grand it' be an eClass wagon yep or C7

Corvette you should get a new alteran

for this money you can get a new alter

for a fifth of that money I know but you

that I I think if I were 5 500 Grand to

spend I would get a new altering

probably okay next question from Kenny H

what are your all-time favorite and

least favorite factory wheels ever fited

to a car this one I could go for decades

literally decades pull up the f512m

let's just start there let's start with

the f512m go and go from there

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um filipo they're I'm not familiar to be

oh yeah take out wheels just go to f512m

are those these are too dark these are

too dark we got to I want to see the I

want to see the really want to see move

the wheels filipo these wheels will

change these are quite the wheels I

agree there's some debate on these

wheels about whether they're the ugliest

wheel or the most beautiful wheel I

think they're beautiful the most people

think they are the ugliest wheel ever

created and put on a car kenon where do

you fall on this I think they're really

cool I think it's the entire car that's

hi is it's the any of the elements in

isolation would probably be fine maybe

the headlights aren't cuz the pop-up

headlights on the testos were pretty

cool they were ridiculous but they made

they like they 550 a fight on F12 M it's

like what it's like what a bad modifier

or chest it's what a bad modifier all

this was was to buy them time for one

year to finish what they needed to

finish with the 550 that was all this

car was for basically what um okay the

worst wheels of all time I like this

yeah pull up the 997 Lobster Clause oh

yeah people are going to disagree with

you there they are and they're wrong and

this isn't even a thing that I can that

I will discuss this is the ugliest wheel

ever manufactured in the entire history

of Wheels this picture why do these

wheels have so many holes in

them they're a lot varying shapes some

are like crusty some are obviously

circular for the lugs and then some are

like there are a lot of I don't like

Honda logos

almost these wheels have 15 holes in

them and then the hole for the lug and

for the tire pressure sensor these are

the or the the valve step these are the

ugliest wheels that have ever existed

these wheels are prized in the Porsche

Community oh you got lobster claws I

think just like saying it also people do

like say it don't eat the mic it's not

sanitary okay give us some of yours I'm

surprised you're not going for like an

AMG deep dish I like those but I don't

I'm not obsessed for some of my

favorites the um the hold on the

Mercedes 65 AMG like the like the 2008

one those Wheels oh yeah of course some

of the best Factory of course most like

they' been taking oh yes the gray with

the silver oh yeah yeah people people

aftermarket this wheel and it's so wild

you f355 had an all had a great wheel

yeah f355 had an alltime great E39 M5

has some of the all-time great Wheels um

yeah I mean there are so many really

good you know what a bad wheel is that

HRV wheel that I hate yeah it is it's a

it's the last

gener 2012 2018 the one that when we

were on the East Coast together and you

show be that that Mercedes with those

off what wheels are those are so those

are like new AMG Wheels look like that

um but no it's it's the newest h v no

it's the last gen HRV not the newest

it's the 20 type in 24

HRV I thought it was the one before this

I'm I'm looking at it right here and

then go down a little that wheel this is

one of the worst Wheels I've ever seen

in my entire life as a human being

they've silvered only parts of the

outside it looks like it's been curved

looks like a starfish it does look like

a starfish horrible I thought you the H

ones before this that were also two

different colors I also hate that RAV

four remember that ha that RAV four whe

but that RAV four is like the ugliest I

know it's it was like a very specific

trim for like one model year and no one

bought it but those are bad like 2021

give some

your um of course these a lot of these

are like BMW specific but they're um let

me see if I can find it on the e65 there

was a wheel hold on I'm the seven series

yes uh hold on there was a bad e65

there's a website that just like has all

of the Wheels

BMW the bmw. wheels isn't it is

something like that there it is oh well

that's um but they ah no okay so there

is look at this website go when I wrote

this is a bad whe this how you check

whether it's that's a great wheel those

were like those were the I'm here to

fire your father no there's some there's

some these are the tiny these were bad

they were on the E the the Z3 those

three spes are awesome just give me a

minute these were bad they were on the

E38 it I thought it was impossible to

make the E38 look bad those Wheels did

it sty those are them those Wheels oh my

god really bad wait those are on the e65

the the seven series E3 excuse me I

never seen those Wheels in my life yeah

these were on the E38 style 76 this was

an E39 wheel the style 7 what is that

must be for Eastern Europe for extra

strength on bad

roads oh I wish there was a website like

this just for all General there is a

Mercedes equivalent this was a great

wheel that style 87 on the on the 4.6 is

oh I could do wheels for days that was

the e65 wheel we all know in love yep

and I I remember these too which were

those were not good they did not last

long I don't even know if they made it

past oh you know what we I hate you're

on the BMW One sensor go down more the

the E the E the six series that one

wheel with the little ovals on it I

hated dearly oh where is that oval I

know what you're talking about I'm Ken

if I see it though I might yeah I'm

going to scroll up to going six series

let's see if we pulled up a little

faster that way oh it's so Ugo so Ugo

give me the wheel I know want to oh

maybe they took it off cuz it's so ugly

they want people to see too many people

broke their screens you know what I'm

talking about yeah I know what you're

talking about why oh this it's this it's

on the base like 645 oh that the car was

already ugly and then they were like

we're going to turn it up a notch you're

going to complain Try Us Now Chris

bangle went watch this yeah pain okay I

want to do one more wait I've been asked

I've not been asked for my opinion okay

go uh Saab 900 three spokes three spokes

good wheel wait which gen

uh OG g900 yeah OG g900 three spokes the

turbo yeah yeah those good Wheels not

great Wheels generally good wheels on

that c on that cool yeah so cool what

are the bad ones I don't got none come

on some you don't like there's none that

come to mind I don't think about Wheels

in that way really you just think all

wheels are good wheels are wheels no I

don't think they're all good but I don't

they don't hard burst race in my mind

you know whe I also loved markv turbo

yeah oh super yeah yeah

and people remove them and it's such a

mistake finding a stock one try to find

a picture of stock one it's

impossible look at those Wheels those

chromies I wouldn't do the chromies but

I would do good but I get why you like

them they're so nice Okay uh last

question last question last question

last question um the Precision driver

asks hey Doug are there any plans to

expand cars and bids into countries such

as the UK and Ireland in the

future not at this time not at this time

we are in Canada part of the UK in or

not that's a great point I don't I've

never quite understood it they they they

do look up to the queen you know people

got mad at me last week I'm sorry for

this sidebar especially at the very end

but people got mad at me last week for

saying that Bugatti's Factory in MIM is

sort of in France and sort of in Germany

they're like this in France Bugatti when

it was founded was founded in Germany

and then FR there was some Wars and one

thing led to another and France got the

territory back but Bugatti we is a

German company except for the time when

it was an Italian

company interesting and it's owned by

the it was owned by the Germans again

and look who has it you couldn't even

say that it's not a German company now

like they are only they are only in

France by by location like in they are

German in every sense of the word well

they are owned Volkswagen is like the

germanist German and they're the

germanist Germans of the Germans and it

was this example it was they gave the

Germans the ability to be Germans to the

Max and if you're playing the German

drinking game at home you're having a

great while we're talking about the gles

I would like to talk about one other

thing one of the shirts the shirt that

you are wearing has a logo that looks

strikingly like the Geo logo Gio is a

great company you know what's on the

back of this shirt can I even you know

what's on the back of this shirt oh God

I'm knocking over stuff oh my God is a

disaster G500 Austrian built it's great

buy them at merge. car.com that's it

we're done thank you for watching our

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