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On this episode of the podcast are old friends Paul and Todd of Everyday Driver are

in the house visiting us as part of their annual Los Angeles pilgrimage.

These guys, man, no moss grows under their feet.

These guys are running driving tours, track day tours.

They own Hooked On Driving now, a full track day company, and they're doing videos and

podcasts under the Everyday Driver brand.

We talk about what's going on with their fleet, what's going on in their world,

and we have a hell of a good time.

It's Paul and Todd from Everyday Driver on the Smoking Tire podcast.

I'm knowing when you do see a friend and they've lost a bunch of weight, and I'm like, oh dude,

you look great, and they're like, yeah, it's supposed to be easy, just like not eating

and then shitting double what you would normally shit.

That's why I hate like, gym influencers who are just, even like young people are

on TRT and stuff, and just shredded and huge, or 50 year olds who are shredded

and huge, and they're like, no, I just eat real clean, I get a lot of sleep.

Yes, those are important.

Sure you do.

However.

I know you don't.

However.

Yeah, we all agree.

It takes a really long time when you do it old school, but yeah.

Nice to see you guys.

Do you remember the liver king?

Do you remember him?

Oh yeah, I'm so glad he felt all the best.

And everybody was so shocked when he was on stuff, it's like, really?

Really?

Some people were shocked.

Some people were like, yeah.

They're right, that was my feeling too.

I was like, why are we surprised?

He's fallen way off every wagon, and you hate to see it.

The liver king and the MyPillow guy need to have a podcast.

Oh my God.

Can you imagine?

That'd be fantastic, yes.

There's a dollop about the recent dollop about the MyPillow guy.

It's a two-parter.

Oh wow.

Oh boy.

Oh my gosh.

That guy, wow, okay.

I had a buddy who actually cleaned up his life, gotten great shape, and he was just obsessed with the liver king.

And I was like, God, the stuff you're doing is great, but okay, I'm just going to stay out of it.

And then he got revealed, and I was like, mmm.

I'm close to the son.

I'm very lucky.

I have a trainer.

Shout out to fit like Sean on Instagram.

My trainer comes to you.

That's great.

I've helped him a little bit build out his van.

So you get in the van with Sean?

I have a gym at my house.

He trains you at the park or the beach or wherever.

He brings all this shit in the van.

But it's like a real Tetris-ing of this Ford Transit van.

We're trying to get him to upgrade to a Sprinter eventually, but the Transit is working out pretty well actually.

Sure, yeah.

For real.

Sean Ruhl.

That's cool.

You guys are here for ostensibly the Auto Show, but hopefully more fun things in the fucking Auto Show.

The Auto Show, which actually was really cool just the people that we got to see.

But that stuff, because we're not always in LA.

And we get to see you, which is good.

We get to see Zach, which is even better, because we don't always get to see Zach.

Yeah, exactly.

We need to do more of the car version of like John Mulaney's Everybody's in LA.

There you go, yeah.

The Auto Show.

Where you rock at people through.

That would be kind of fun.

You do it on some of the press launches though, which has been cool.

I just did it at the Porsche one.

It actually was a good time.

And when we were all, was it super launch?

We were all together, I think.

Oh, yeah.

That was forever ago?

Yeah, we did one then too.

No, no.

Summit Point.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember doing that too.

It's a nice racetrack, but god damn if it rains every single time I go there.

Every time?

Yeah, for sure.

Good weather.

We good weather.

Super was okay, but I think I was there for Hellcat.

Yeah, for sure.

We were on the Shenandoah, the shorter track.

The Shenandoah.

Yes, yes, yes.

But we were here for that.

We were here for a Honda thing.

So yeah, yeah.

Good to come in.

This is the time of year we come in.

Because it starts snowing in Utah and a little harder to do sports cars on some tires.

The transitional, just go back when it's fully snowed and you can start skiing.

It's called the shoulder season.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

April and October.

Well, now through November.

Yeah.

None of the resort tourings.

No, it was a perfect time to be here as we saw for the last five days.

Yeah, yeah.

You guys got to rain.

Completely, yeah, day lose here.

We got a lightly hose, a little fucked.

What's funny is like this last night too was real bad.

And it was garbage day.

Yes, you know, today is garbage day, Friday is garbage day.

And I live, have you guys been to the house?

No.

To my house?

No, I don't think so.

Next time we'll come for dinner.

Cool, love it.

But we live at the top of a small hill.

And the tarmac on the hills, it's pretty good.

And you know, the roads in LA, the crown.

And so the water, it really gets going.

By the time you get to like mid hill, it's cruising.

Taking out people's cans.

So if it rains on a Thursday night and the cans are out.

Bro, when it started to rain, I went and checked my cans.

And I was like, oh boy, and I moved them like two feet off the curb.

Not everybody's so wise.

So this morning when I left the house to come down to the office,

there was like 30 cans piled up at the bottom of the hill.

You know, the trash guy just does the quarter, just goes, oh man.

Yeah, oh that sucks.

Dude, it was so bad.

It must have been just dominoes of garbage.

So bad.

Did it fuck up your filming?

No, we actually didn't film it.

No, we didn't film it.

This was the rare trip we weren't filming.

Very, very rare.

It's weird, yeah.

I get to go on with carry-ons.

It's crazy.

What's happening?

What is this?

It's very strange.

No way to the carousel?

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, it's been nice.

But you acquired the track day business?

Yeah, it'll be two days in February.

Which is crazy.

That's right.

We talked about it last year at this time.

Yeah.

Hooked on driving.

Sorry, I should have named it.

Hooked on driving, excuse me.

That's okay.

It was a fabulous organization before you acquired it.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

I have not had the pleasure of working with you guys since.

Understood.

Take advantage of my friendly discount.

There you go.

But has it been going well?

I mean, let's be honest.

We took over a company.

My wife's joke was, does this feel weird?

And I said, why?

She said, you're a film major.

And I was like, yeah, it feels weird.

So now we're suddenly running a company, which is very strange.

Not prepared for it.

But excited about it.

Year one was hard.

We were really, really hard.

And both things we were learning, things we thought should be changed.

And then everybody's in your ear.

Like, you should do these things.

You should not do these things.

And then you have the other crowd.

Yeah, tell them now.

Exactly.

Changing stuff better.

Totally.

Change.

And then you have the crowd, which this is any business, any industry.

We have the crowd who's also like, well, you can't change stuff.

All change is bad.

It's like, oh, God.

So first year was hard.

But second year has actually been a really cool uptick.

We've got a great group of franchisees around the nation, which is awesome.

So there's just been really good cohesion this year that we didn't feel first year,

which I think is normal.

I mean, it's our first experience doing something like this.

But it feels like pretty normal to go through that struggle.

So we're just really excited going into 2026.

And we've traveled all over the nation, been to tracks I'd never been to before,

which is really cool.

What gems have you discovered?

Hedge Hollow.

Excuse me?

Exactly.

Hedge Hollow.

It's...

Frodo owns it, right?

He's a man.

Exactly.

Everything's round.

It's awesome.

Sure.

No, it's a little over an hour...

The term name's not unpronounceable.

Really, really long.

It's like an hour...

It's like an hour and a half southeast of Kansas City proper.

And this guy whose actual worth begins with a B decided to build himself a private

racetrack.

And he did it right around the time that Kota was being built.

So he got all the latest and greatest things, including like digital flagging

on his personal racetrack.

Oh, just by copying.

Yeah, but it's just like...

Well, because when you have that kind of worth and you're building something,

somebody says, well, the best version of whatever it is you're doing is this, right?

So...

You call that dubying.

So he was full of turmoil.

Then he was fully Dubai.

I like that.

D-U-B-U-Y.

Dubaiing.

Oh, that's pretty good.

Where a car has been Dubai'd.

A Mansory Anything.

That's...

A car has been Dubai'd.

How do you spell...

Do you...

D-U-B-A-I...

Apostrophe E.D.?

It's a...

Wow.

Two eyes.

D-U-Y...

That's Dubai'd.

No, yeah.

Okay.

Dubai'd.

Yeah.

That's cool.

You can find it hooked on driving as well.

The Midwest region.

You can find it there too.

Oh, is that...

Their website needs more gallery.

Is there like a Google Earth?

Is there...

There is a really cool Google Earth.

You can find it that way too.

Okay.

It's actually a really cool overhead view.

So it's this guy's private track.

Uh-huh.

And he had it...

And he has a bunch of McLarens.

But he and his McLaren buddies...

Because there's actually a lot of money in Kansas City now with the chiefs and all

that.

Okay.

And they drove it so rarely that the track was always dirty and they couldn't get it

rubbered in.

So somebody finally told him, you need to start getting other people on this track.

So you're like goats.

You're like goats.

Crazy.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Yeah.

Crazy.

He owns a soloist.

He can structure all these buildings ahead of time.

All of this was built originally.

Yes.

Wow.

Because I'll tell you one of the struggles with this track and this is a crazy sentence.

This is a track with no public bathroom structure.

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This is a track with no public bathroom structure because it was all condos and all

the condos has laundry and a bathroom in it so the concept of having a lot of people

there and they just need a bathroom in the corner where's the bathroom there's

no such thing so all of this stuff was built what's great is it is a great facility

and so Lonnie and Marla run our Midwest region and they've kind of embraced this

track we're actually approached to have looked on driving at the track so it's

been great with track yeah mm-hmm full width 40 has a 40 feet track it's

unbelievable place it's it's really so that you were asking for surprises 23

corners so the straight away you can see the straight away left hand side of

your screen there that was built for exactly the owner to land his jets

that's pretty long it's very long it's very cool surprises that's a good

surprise yeah it's very cool yeah dude is this worth me coming to Kansas City to

drive this racetrack with you guys possibly I think it would be depending on

what you can get there it's a really it's a really really cool elevation of

this place was a little bit in the center you can see down in the center

it's just kind of I mean that's the hollow the right side yeah the right

side through the trees down there it gets it you know low and then you

kind of climb back out of it yeah yeah right side of the track is pretty flat

but right side yeah it looks like that you know what this reminds me of a

Skari interesting to have not so much we want to just reminds me of that yeah so

it's really cool we should fucking rock out to Kansas City for this yeah guys

out there we actually don't have 2026 schedules yet but we'll let you know

plenty of all that stuff goes live in the next couple weeks me a favor rent

a couple of shitters will you lift the mic great yeah roping this Zach this bolt

new bolt is lat I don't know if it's the way if I hope it's not like stripping

out the arm but this bolt is you got a torque I need a torque wrench I just

gotta break tools yeah I need about a hundred and sixty pound feet on this

yeah all right I'm sure that sounded really good through those fucking big cap

speakers there you go dude what's happening on the podcast today okay but

wow okay give me another gem this is a great bit what else see what do we have

else that that's a surprise though I mean the ridge is great I don't know if you're

familiar with it yeah it's Oregon or Washington which side of the border is

yeah it's Washington it's the it's across the water from Seattle the

ridge is awesome it's actually really cool track I think that we're going there

for a road and track experiences really we're doing a Pacific Northwest one

this year we like the ridge lot that's where we did lemons races for three

seasons we did lemons up there really like the track really fun the top half

of the track the top half of the track is up on it actually on the ridge

line and so the left side you're going around counterclockwise the left side

is actually the drop back down the hill to get into the flat part that is

the front straight so the top half of that picture you're looking at is all up

on a big ridge line and even that has a little bit of undulation to it it's a

very cool that bit at the bottom left that almost looks like a sex toy is is a

corkscrew you come down down the hill and then all the way around the full

mini Laguna Sega corkscrew pretty cool F type launch there maybe maybe really F type

R okay really yeah yeah the first one yeah interesting yeah one way drove Seattle

to to the track to to somewhere outside of the track and then got left the cars

got on a sea plane back to see oh that's cool that's really cool bitch yeah we

did one little grumman shits yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah really amphibious was it

yeah yeah see play the goose the grumman goose right like some something like the

goose no no no it wasn't grumman it wasn't grumman I remember because I sat in

that it was a was it something I was a dehavelin okay so it was probably an

otter on floats it was 20 seats okay yeah maybe that's cool that's really

we landed at the like our hotel was on the water and they landed us at the dock

I mean it was awesome so back when I had money to spend and really cool and

cool car production products that launched the F type that was no it's been

spared yeah because that was Jaguar Land Rover did you did either of you go on

the Range Rover launch in 2013 no that was they rented Almond Geary for a

week back when they had money I went on they hadn't been hacked yet I went

on that it was only I only was there one night I didn't you know was

multiple waves they had it because it was like five six ways but like wow dude

that's how we do this is fucking 3,500 a night for a regular room yeah we were

not getting invited to those no yeah for sure that's what you want to when the

brand what you might be though because there's gonna be a new Jag they're

gonna have to sure they're gonna have to restart again because I don't whatever

happened last year yeah exactly you know I if they turn that concept thing

into like an actual car like it could be a cool-looking car like is a Morgan

aro supersports not a cool-looking car okay you know like for some people yeah

I'm not a huge fan but I take your point for some I don't think we can be

friends okay you don't think it looks cool looks cool okay not my favorite but

I when I see it I see it you don't like a fucking little Cruella Deville in your

life sometimes everybody has their guilty pleasure car the fans couldn't hear the

door lock from the outside have it actually no that's why that's why because

the ash frame and you know those are aluminum these are aluminum they're

aluminum the arrows are aluminum they are okay why because it's when you when

you look over those fenders sure it has a v8 with side pipes it goes glub glub

glub glub glub yeah yeah and it has a high shoulder a low windshield and you it's

you're you're driving like a like a like a train down it's just it's pretty I can

see that I can see that I mean you got to admit that that think just picture

the view from the driver seat and something like that that's just going

when you when you lay into the eyes you know that with the finish right below

your ear and when you're up against you know a guardrail or something a little

little K-rail sure yeah it just bounces right back at you the right angle all

right I'm selling me I got it pretty good dude okay tell you it's I just think

you have to like that I didn't sign that for sorry but I'm wondering about the

Jaguar cuz it just right now it looks like it belongs in the same world as the

Cybertruckers like what happened and what weird 8-bit thing is going on here in

the real world yeah so how do you land that you know you know I like for 10

years everyone followed Tesla down the touchscreen rabbit hole Jaguar like

accidentally was like the only brand you follow them down the cyber exactly

now we're trying to correct I just better than that though I mean it's oh see

this angle it's this angle hides the bad bits which are the flat front and the

flat back yeah yeah side profile this is this is a this is the Bentley blue train

okay yeah I could see that I mean execution is everything also having a

door open is helping this shot let's see I mean candidly because otherwise just a

big slam and the door is apparently clear on the other side yeah I know the

back being the radiator from a best-western hotel room is not

we'll take inspiration from various places you know Jack where's money's tight

so they were you know I make fun of Grand Seiko all the time because they're

always like this is inspired by the winter on Mount Iwate this is inspired

by the fish and make sure and I'm just like this is inspired by like a leaf

I found on the hood of my car this morning yes like this is marketing

this is this is definitely hotel room mid-tier ooh I've seen that wheel design

before on the Audi Q8 haven't you seen that wheel that in design I think it's

there's something out there similar yeah probably right it probably is an

e-tron probably yes see if the car company has to convince us on the

website a work of art yes I mean I hate to beat on the Jaguar drum again but

I just I what's going on here and you know I mean we're a long way from the F type

at this point and I'm very curious see where it'll go I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm

gonna try to hold until I see a real car not that I just fair but yeah that that

motel air conditioner it's such a it was such a very grand expensive redesign

and the whole world kind of went what are you doing you know I just I don't know

man like when Costanza does it learns to do the opposite yeah they're like

whatever since about 1972 everything you've done just invert that shit yeah

and this is where we are this is the result yeah yeah yeah maybe it'll work

I will see what if it works they're gonna have to turn the final result is

gorgeous yeah because they soften everything then they'll have done what

Ford did with the Mach-E they called it a Mustang the internet lost their

fucking mind for a year but everyone talked about it constantly yes good car

came out good cars good and everyone stopped caring yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll

see yeah I don't know have my reservations but you know we like I agree

it's not really promising like that that is not a thing that the Genesis oh my

gosh that looks amazing like a Korean Maserati MC 20 it does yes yes to that

yeah yeah well in this morning the the G90 like wing back the G90 wagon thing

just released today that looks crazy cool to the Korean Panamera sport yes

exactly right yes that is cool but the G90 is good on its own so wagon version of

that bring that is there we go in the meaty that is way better that's pretty

oh yeah Genesis G90s so I have an update okay Zach from Uncle Phil oh that's

amazing okay I haven't seen that fantastic yeah I didn't do this thing

any service by the with the dim lighting why do they paint this black and then

launch it in a room yeah it's a dark green it needs to be really bright to

wow look at the pipes look at the pipes it looks it looks amazing what a fucking

nice looking automobile probably something that will never come here

because we apparently don't like wagons but we should that look at how you

why tell you why they'll sell it here because they want their RS6 sure they

want that that's exactly right talk about the something no they'll sell

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and now back to the program. We talked about a little bit last show my

uncle Phil my wife's uncle Phil got a G90 okay loves it yeah he's a obviously of

older gentlemen yeah yeah he and he and this is the full updated story the

short version was his the valet at his building got trapped in the car and

kicked out the driver's side the driver's window to get out okay what that was a

short version okay I got that I got that information before the show yesterday

okay after the show we have the update okay the update is uncle Phil goes to

Florida for the winter okay and as is in Florida and and this car does not

live on a battery tender they have he's the the valets at his New York

City building are instructed to start it up and warm it up and drive it

around like once a week okay now that I know I wish I knew that beforehand

because that's probably enough to keep this thing alive not enough to keep this

thing alive and it's gonna slowly die which is over time yeah now if you're a

professional fucking valet in a parking garage you should understand that

cars with push button don't have a manual release somewhere yeah okay oh my

this guy this guy goes to get in the car it has traditional handles on the

outside and push button but the door opens from the outside because it's not

kept locked because it's like two stories underground sure he goes to get in it he

closes the door it locks or it doesn't lock but it's just nobody doesn't have

a button it's a non-responsive yeah yeah he doesn't have his phone on him after

like 60 seconds or a set of non-motion or two minutes of the lights go dark in

the garage in the car because of no lights in the car sensor okay yeah apparently

this is the overnight guy in the garage he speaks very little English now the

stories come panic sets in yeah it takes about five minutes for full-on panic

to set in okay now if you work valet even if you don't speak English someone

should tell you an espanyol that there's manual releases and they are they're easy

to find if you feel around anyway yeah what year is his car new that's the

button yeah is this the is that the latch that is the latch that's the latch in

the door pocket it's about seven inches from the actual yeah but yeah okay it's

adrenaline kicking the window out man that is just dark you are a self

preservation right from zero to my life's in danger so anyway that's part

one of the story uncle Phil's cool and he they call him he's in Florida they go

hey you know we did this and we're gonna replace the window he goes alright

whatever so Phil then calls the the Genesis dealer salesman sure and he

goes hey look this happened what how could this happen you know like what what

do I tell these guys going forward and the guy the deal the salesman has

absolutely no idea the salesman goes I don't know it's a funny question doesn't

say hey by the way there's a no idea required by law for there to be in a

secondary by the way yes but it's not required by law for the salesman to

know anything clearly well but that that's been well established for years

somebody else at the dealer oh no no idea I'll go Phil then goes on fucking

YouTube how to open the door of a Genesis G90 with dead battery and there's a 60

second video there is and he goes then I go on YouTube and these fuck he goes

these fucking Jamocs and I don't know if Jim I don't think Jamoc is racist but

if it is I'm sorry but he goes these word I got it fucking guys they don't

know I find this on YouTube in 10 seconds like that's right uncle Phil he

didn't have his phone on him by no no no not these guys the dealer oh he's not

upset about the guy okay English he's talking about two employees the dealer

should have known better yeah for sure the term is not racist but oh used to be

described coffee in the late 19th century and then it changed over to being an

unimpressive person quite a that's quite a leap that is I'm glad it's not yeah I'm

gonna continue using Jamoc that's gonna be the stand-in for all previously racist

slurs perfect done yeah but they didn't care clearly it's hey well it also

they learn shrug it off it also proves that everything's on YouTube how to do

blank sure it is yeah the 60 second whatever she does like a hundred thousand

views now I'm gonna say something about he couldn't get his window replaced because

of the glass wasn't available or something well that's part three part three is the

cars to new replacement windows don't exist it'll be six weeks

fortunately he's in Florida for the winter yeah the car can stay wow wow oh my

let's hope seriously that way back what's the worst information a dealer

representative has ever given you the most incorrect thing who that a dealer

has ever given you it's I can't say for dealer but for turbo psi on some cars

boot how much boost the boost pressure that it makes wildly overrated yeah too

much pushing about 120 PS the GR Corolla yeah the initial quote for the boost

pressure on that car was pretty high we're talking like almost 50 yeah that's

is it I it's not no no here's here's it's high it's high but here's the

reason it's 35 26 which is still that's very high there was a reason why

the number was wrong they'd forgotten to take out the fact that there's just

ambient pressure in the air that was everything that was what the car has at

sea level because it just exists plus what the boost is being provided for became

the number we originally saw different number yeah those aren't the same but I

guess so when you're going by OEM stats and that's what we have to rely on

that was an oppressed release that's a problem it was that it was the draft

one and we were like what it kit and then we got another draft that

makes more sense Jason Fenske and I once caught an error in the Toyota press

release I mean it happens we did it simultaneously and I happened to be

I've never it was take your dad to fucking work day for me I had brought my dad

on the press launch because it was in Monticello sure I love it okay great yeah

yeah and my dad was like you got him on the numbers son

so proud of the car he's tapping out hey no I once had a dealer tell me when I

wanted to power on a Chevy Volt in the showroom that I couldn't possibly start

a car indoors because I want to check the TV why yeah I was like you know you

can't start that in here I was like I promise you you can he was the volt

specialist perfect even better yes and then I had when I was a kid a guy tried

to sell me a v6 Mustang and tell me it was a v8 like insistently tell me really

yeah yeah how did that get solved was was the hood opened eventually no

literally it was first it was there's one tailpipe not to right this was this

would have been a 96 first there's one tailpipe not to let's get it was you

know there's no there was a horse with a stripe on the side not a GT on the side

yes you know it must hang in the rear bumper not Mustang GT like eventually

it was like no no no it is it is pop the fucking hood and I counted spark plug

six oh one two crazy I was 17 that's amazing that's crazy one liar very good

yeah talk to my wife about cars oh my god nuts I was I had a first-gen

Scion FRS and I was hanging out in that car in Salt Lake in the winter and

somebody that I knew that actually knew a decent amount about cars went oh I

didn't know there's a all-wheel drive because it was the winter and you know

it's related to it must must be all-wheel drive it's like it's really not it's a

real-wheel drive it's always been my favorite thing about your lease is when

people said that a v10 in there I had a guy at a gas station asked me that once

legitimately ten in that thing I pulled up an idea for a project yeah tiny

calendar is that big around it's building up with gas that a guy walk by

straight face like oh man that's amazing Carson thank you buddy and he

goes I thought the v10 at it right it's like how big do you think a v10 is

how big do you think it was a different you thought it was a Lamborghini I have

no idea what I'm just like you see it this is tiny right I dwarf yes sir yeah

thank you thank you some people have it is far poorer than they know I think they

need glasses and they don't get them like that's a Lamborghini like no not at

all not even a little bit yeah it says it says it three or four places on it

but it's fine yeah it's good I was I just was fortunate enough to drive a 918 like

on a thousand mile road trip hurt yeah yeah you probably heard because I didn't

shut the fuck up about it hey I would love to drive that car I was surprised how

many people did not immediately know it was a Porsche okay sure it was just

that they were like oh that's a Porsche I've never seen because like to me I

can look at that and go that has the cues well sure pretty obviously being a

Porsche and people are like that's a Porsche it's also a 10-year-old car

yeah at least yeah it's the 11-year-old car which is amazing it's phenomenal that's

very it's very pretty but I was I was surprised that people didn't identify as

what was the color the one you were driving that's gonna sound that sounds

gorgeous and mileage had it been driven I took it from 12,000 to 13,000 okay for

you yeah that is lovely yeah that's great yeah there's no downside to driving

one of those I just I just wrote a whole thing for road and track that by

the time this goes up should be on the website that cool okay as much talk to me

about the battery we don't think the battery life on this is going to be like

P1 owners are running into and a lot of rarries because that's the holy trinity

with 9 18s that has not happened that 18 is actually aged the best in terms of

depend in terms of reliability they're well you're running dependable they

Porsche is supposedly coming out with an updated pack that you could really yeah

and get more range and more power if you wanted to the thing that's aged the worst

about the 918 is the fucking Bluetooth and sure I'm sure it's you could you

could honestly just sell it today hmm guess what a battery replacement would

cost as estimated by stutekars.com on their 918 buyers got 250 grand

you're gonna be very happy to know it's 50 to 80 well it's 250 on a lot for Ari so

all steel wow well I have a hundred and about 25,000 mile 2017 e hybrid

cayenne oh wow and when we got that it was like oh the battery's gonna die at

90,000 we got it at like 70,000 yeah it's fine great it's been great and I'm

very curious to see what its life is I mean I don't want to get to that

problem but at the same time it's been really good for us yeah this car

has been serviced you know as as needed and it it shows it shows and delivers

12 miles of electric range which is what it did when it was new ours does 11 in the

winter and 14 in the summer yeah what's his name John Harper who corrected me

recently because I thought he had like a 2020 okay cayenne hybrid that he got

CPO it's a 16 okay he bought it like a year ago CPO like I don't know how

that's possible yeah how long does that work okay yeah it's a 16 and he's but he

really likes it yeah yeah ours is great it's been really good yeah so I think in

general like whether it's Tesla's or whatever like I think most people's

batteries are lasting longer than people thought they were going to well and I

think it comes down to the same thing of of the cars that don't get driven

end up being the most problematic batteries are not and I think the

fact that our cayenne's getting used regularly charge regularly driven

normally all of that has to help yeah I would think for sure yeah so the cayenne

EV I'm reading that it shuts off between the wireless charging pad on the floor

and the car if your cat walks in between it so it doesn't fry the cat

unfortunately is that a joke are you serious I'm serious it shuts off I

mean I otherwise fry the cat because Matt's a big cat I know I know but

would literally is that a thing it's my understanding that if it detects

motion in between the car and the pad it shuts off automatically I want to know

how to learn that I don't know driver says the same thing yeah I don't know but

it's an interesting day right there for motion detection Porsche calls it the

live object detection system here we go okay I think yeah so lads do they call

it lads is it short yeah I guess yeah it's just like I guess it like being

x-rayed I mean is it literally like you need like a lead vest where's Muffy wrap

your animals in like dinner's ready so I just say I don't I don't want to be a

negative Nancy about this and I like Porsche's EVs but I don't inductive

charging is not something I have asked for need not I don't need something in my

house that operates and needs a fucking force field the reality of the fact that

you know like EVs are not like EVs the reality is you get out of the car and

you plug it in like a big version plug in your phone and this isn't hard I mean

I okay all right whatever so introduced in Dubai that's been Dubai it's been

bought Dubai bought we're gonna conjugate Dubai you would have thought that was

happening LA is the perfect market for this is it not use the word summer as a

verb that's true that's true yes where do you summer now man summer with less

taxes and more crimes against humanity well you know we got there where the

crimes are only white collar except for the slavery I guess I won't be I'm just

yeah I if of any market to introduce that thing why not LA LA is yeah I should have

seen it at the LA auto show is my point but it was introduced it was not I'm

not sure well it was it was Dubai yeah I mean it was introduced in Dubai surprise

they didn't have it at the only just even sitting there at the auto show made a

video with one where was he you know I'm sure they say they want to buy no I

will drive them yeah you know a handful of select journalists here's the

advanced thing I think Kyle Conner drove one I mean there were a few out

there yeah I was just hoping for fried birds and cats but no and now the

joy out of everything funny if they disable that and they and fucking guy

Fieri shows up like fucking cooking cuz and sets up a roto underneath

starts like fucking Boston marketing these chicken Boston market that's more of

a dodge of it does it really a Porsche of it I don't know I don't know not the

right vibe seven hellcats running at 8,000 rpm yeah we're gonna cook

awesome sounds better yeah so yeah the EV there it is with the charging pad are

they presume are we gonna see more that is optional and you could just plug the

fucking thing in of course yeah yeah I think the noia class BMWs look better

and then the new cayenne I am not impressed with the styling yeah I'm not

impressed well it's followed to where the McCann went a little bit right this

square more square lights yeah and then retractable fins that do something and

just charge you more when you nerf it in the parking lot yeah aerodynamics

aerodynamics if you really want to go fast it's a little extra that's what we

needed is 10% more aerodynamically efficient than the last one with

fundamentally the same body that's astonishing which is amazing has the

fin things in the front yeah yeah it has you know the wing the chin split it

had the wing just the wing in the chin splitter before now it has the fins in

the front like the gts and it also has these little bits these are pretty cool

in the front wheel wells okay that move up and down and can adjust the pressure

in the wheel well oh sure but also put the car in wet mode and it rains

they point to dry the brakes they fucking blow air at the at the break

caliper on the time for quicker brake response yeah that's pretty cool yeah

that's very cool of course god help you in 10 years get one of these cars

here we go well your solenoid on that thing you guess what your e-turn out needs replacing

and yeah but for today mm-hmm yeah lease with confidence yeah and the level of

engineering going on right now over there is unbelievable yeah well wait until

you have a go what have you guys been driving anything fun

let's see Paul's updated his entire garage this year yeah I'm driving a lot of fun

stuff I'm dating the garage itself or the cars his personal cars in it all right

so what's out so the expedition that I had that was my dad's that went back to

my sister and her and my brother-in-law so they wanted it back been in the

family since new and so I got a new forerunner off-road premium video

just dropped so brand new forerunner really liked it I did not get the hybrid

because I just wanted the gas engine and on that model it's the six it's the four

two point four liter turbo four four wanted a turbo for the mountains there you go

and yeah I like the color a lot really like that every color that's a good color

yeah it's a good color it's like a bluish green okay just dig it went for the bronze

wheels and there is no that's a good combo there's no start stop button on the center

console when you pull up to the light the engine stays running it's the weirdest thing

it's kind of cool so then when you're ready to go the engine's already on it's really weird

yeah it's very straight but but to your point though it is amazing how when you drive that and

we've gotten so used to how many press cars that have that now there is that moment where you go

wait the engine didn't stop the engine didn't stop that's weird and there's no button

it's a rare model I turn start stop off a lot oh yeah for sure there's some cars that can

really do it when it's really smooth and pretty seamless if the air conditioner stays going

that's key yes for a few seconds yeah yeah and uh and it's really good then I'll believe a lot of

times the louder the car the less you want to use start stop right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so that is

a scourge I can't stand it so that is so new for say new for honor and then uh early in the

year 2025 I got a Cayman GT4 which I really like manual yeah with the buckets non uh ceramics so I

didn't want the ceramics I just wanted iron rotors I think I met the guy who sold you that car did

you really yeah uh his I think girlfriend made a comment on the youtube video and I reached back

out to her and and I didn't get a response but should hit her up on the ig or something but

I don't know if he sold it to you directly or if he was just no it was the first owner

but yeah um Paul's got my old car okay cool no kidding yeah fantastic he was a nice guy that's

awesome well that's good to know yeah he wasn't like huh I really fucked him good thing I got rid of

that car but yeah the photo you've got up at the top there's act that the bottom right corner

that gts is what Paul sold for the GT4 I'd gotten the Amira a little over a year ago so the we

sold the C8 and uh Paul sold the the gts and got the GT4 instead the expedition in the back

expeditions yeah that's full I have two cayans because my wife relax kines we have the old

cayenne that's now we call the ruba cayenne because it's lifted nice and then we have the

2017 that uh that is the hybrid so I have I have the two low tie and the two cayans

which is absurd that that's so funny your two porches are trucks yeah that's very fun

and the Corbett was company car right that was company car we and what is the what are the

you had it for what two years two years okay how did the math work out on it we lost about two

grand was all said and done total well well hang on I say that we between what we still owed on it

and what we sold it for was a two it was delta two two three grand okay so you were like you're

like upside down two grand slightly yes so what is it what was the total of the appreciation

on it over those about 20 grand and how many miles because we bought it post covid for 81 and we

sold it was 82 post covid and then sold for 61 five and you did how many miles 11,000 and change

you know that's not bad dude it wasn't nearly as bad as we feared 75 a mile was all you can ask

for it right yeah we got content out of it yeah that's 11,000 yeah somewhere in there 61 I feel

like if you if you if you had kept it for another year and driven it a bunch your dollars per mile

might have been a little better that's not terrible not terrible we got what we needed out of it we

were done filming it sat for a lot of this year really and we had just finished filming because

what else do we compare to a c8 yeah but then it was great it was a really good car for us yeah

stuff the zr1x was at the show you know it's glory it's actually pretty cool looking it's

pretty good looking it's it's already an aggressive looking car and to make it more aggressive is

probably the right direction to go you drove regulars your one haven't driven you have not

driven the regular it's aggressive yeah it's what we hear yes it's quite good I mean it's it's a

good time yeah it's a very good time yeah you know in this in the same way the the z06 emulates

a four five eight speciale this does a pista you know okay does that yeah yeah yeah it's

very very fast but because gm is very good at traction control it actually uh it I think

it's better traction than like a mclaren 750 but then again the one I drove had the super

race tires and the carbon wheels and you could get it on ps4 s's and it would probably

fucking do four gear burnouts probably yeah that's gonna say I don't know that the x is

necessary but I'm very curious to drive the zr1 so yeah yeah I don't think that I don't think

I need the x I think the the the e-ray I like hybrids if if that's the only way to get the car

sure and it's a good car yeah then fine yeah but I you know I don't want to say this like too

but I bet you if you know if you made a mclaren artura that weighed 2,400 pounds and had no

hybrid system I'll take two of those the actor is great and I agree with you I totally agree

if it if it just had 550 horsepower and it weighed 2,500 pounds rear-wheel drive it would be

the best well and I hate to say this but one it's not hard to find cars now that have a comma in

the horsepower number I mean the new cayenne is one and then but they're it's not becoming more

usable it's not like just because we have more of them that are over a thousand we're figuring

out ways to use a thousand horsepower it's not possible you know how many places in I drove

thousand miles in 918 you know how many times I was able to like go flat in any gear for any

period of time zero I mean it was like it was like I mean I did three runs of tail of the dragon

and if you put all of those together in the other thousand miles I think the total number of times

going flat is like nine like over a thousand miles like this car is so fast yeah you just can't do

that anywhere and then it's a fraction of a second it's like down in the back yeah yeah so glad

you said 2,400 pounds because what else weighs 2,400 pounds the alpina 110 oh yeah yeah you guys drove

Ben's car we drove Ben's car again we had it at coda with us basic yes we had it at coda and then

it came to you guys and then it went to Jason Camisa and then it was back with us yeah because we

had it as part of our road trip film we did a big series down to coda I loved you in the

thumbnail like just sort of like this relief oh we finally it was so funny yeah we've talked

about it for a year we read books about it yeah the guy that directed the project

was pretty rad yeah we got to put it with the wine with Bennett at car week as well good he was a

good good that's a great he enjoyed his company yeah we got to put it with the elise and the 4c

and it was just a really cool piece to actually put them together and talk about it yeah it was

really fun yeah yeah let's just say the amount of vitriol that Todd had to cut out of the

piece that didn't make it in for me yeah was significant with those three cars back to back

they were all essentially stock it was the other thing with those three cars back to back Paul was

not a fan of the 4c and the 4c owners have arrived in force all of them telling us the

exact same thing we all know and that is here are the things in the aftermarket that take

make the car good which is fine it's great it's great yes but but that's the thing I keep

trying to nicely respond in comments about I'm like but but you coming at me again

with all the things it needs to fix are reinforcing the fact that in stock form it wasn't good enough

yeah yeah I we have a name for this it's called the gti problem it's the gti solution because

well if you do this this this and this you spend twelve thousand dollars oh or you could have

the best thing ever yeah taking that and bought a better car yeah that was what you're looking for

focus are it not to take away from the gti out of class yes we never want to we love that

use that term before it's a great yeah it's great yeah that at that a 110 though what a

fucking delight it was very very good did you see the car moving around I what I'm asking is

did it get noticed at the show where people of all the cars at the show did the alpine

sort of like you never see that here when I took it to like up the mountain like those nerds

yeah the car show at the top of the mountain yeah okay I was gonna say like holy crap castle up

there yeah I was just driving around in LA yeah not in LA but it's over nothing invisible

invisible did it get noticed on monorail yeah I didn't drive it monorail I just I didn't know if you saw

Ben hanging out yeah I was just curious I did he came he came to our rented house got it got

wine so I have no idea god I was just curious if it did not compared to what the fuck I was driving

so okay fair because you're in your max right yeah yeah which is a totally different

love and like that I love that's amazing that was awesome go full sparkle

I was just pointing I see that today that's pretty cool yeah came to the house all right

good to know good to know all right I can't even I can't even swap it for another car has been

pissing rain and yeah yeah unfortunately as cool as that car is not waterproof that's fair

that's probably kind of a boat like if it really you can drive across a flood with it it does

have a bond line where the hole in the yeah like a sealed tub I don't think it would

literally sink but you'd like really fuck the motor up if you tried oh that's a good point yeah

yeah like other things would go horribly wrong even if it didn't like literally sink okay yeah

no I mean it's funny maybe if Max does like a whaler crossover they could do one where you

get the same phibias you know the Boston Boston I like it it's good you remember the video

right the whaler commercial Boston commercial no vaguely where the guy chainsaws the front

half of the boat off and then drives the back half just back to the dock you never seen that

shit I guess that was like from like the 80s or maybe early 90s that shit like made

Boston whaler the unsinkable legend okay all right now I'm sure Zach has the commercial

it's probably amazing yeah the guy's just shown in the boat and just saws the front half right

off no I haven't seen this that's how to see this now really the commercial his wife does it

oh yeah no way I love it everything's on YouTube I'm telling you and a boat divided

the lady gets oh the wife gets mad because oh I've never seen this one she gets mad that he's

bought the whaler and chainsaws the front half off in the garage

whoa and now he just she just oh my gosh oh my gosh left him with the front

that is a great add I saw another one where the guy was on the water already and chainsawed it off

like just one left the other half floating I think there was a couple of these amazing oh that the

unsinkable legend never again wow isn't that crazy I didn't know this existed okay amazing how

it's from 13 years ago on YouTube yes exactly when it was on that sold my dad a Boston whaler

incredible that's unsinkable 100 sold a Boston whaler one just like that one in the commercial

I love it there we go yeah you know it's not unsinkable and alpha 8c um that a 110 was it was

incredible yeah it's great I'm sure the the forbidden fruit of it makes it a little better

but it was still great and to put those three lightweight cars together was wonderful the

forbidden fruit is good but like I've driven enough skylines to know that and enough other

forbidden cars to go that like you know sometimes the car delivers and sometimes the car absolutely

I had enough miles in that thing to go okay yeah this is the real this is the real deal objectively

special no question I think it adds a little bit of extra because like oh my gosh I'm getting to

get in this thing but it just especially when we put it the other two it's just like this

holds up so well and we see them every year when we go to the ring we see a consistent

number of people that are running those on the ring and I'm like okay well they wouldn't

keep showing up if this car wasn't good enough for this you know so that's very cool how many

four C's do you see at the at the ring very few zero for an occasional shop yeah we see the we see

the leases and we see the four C's I mean pardon me the leases in the A110s more than we see four

C's at the ring definitely for sure yeah and then of course you know everything else on the planet

and uh yeah the A110 got shipped I think out of the port of Long Beach yeah I did I

I said it yeah did you okay drive down there yeah no no they someone someone picked it up

okay okay so yeah and I heard from Ben it's back it's back it's back and yeah he said it's

doing great 10,000 kilometers and he's like yeah we need to get it back for service Mike you

you ship it back to France and you service that so now we have that other car that's on a

the that's here on a tourist visa that I'm not going to go drive but it's the guy's doing the same

kind of thing which is pretty fun which car is that or can you say the taut hill oh that oh that's

okay it lies that one okay over here okay cool right hand drive oh okay I didn't even realize

that one yeah okay cool that's amazing so and you guys are also doing the the driving

tour still as well right like we are do you have one coming up we what's your next one we don't

have our ones for next year booked yet we're still figuring out 26 schedule but we'll do

we'll do the ring and spa which will probably be August but we're trying to lock that down we're doing

a Spain in Portugal which is a track right outside Seville yeah and then also port of mouth so

that's going to be in late April that is definitely on the calendar we're partnering with our

friends at RSR who do the ring and spa for us they're going to have cars for us in Spain

in Portugal also sending a whole full of cars about and not just for five of them not just for us

they're it's a trip they're doing anyway we're adding on to it which is great track day yeah yeah

we'll do like cage cars and shit uh not the cage you could show up with cage car if you want but

they're they're sending their regular cars they've got regular cars that are they had cars that

didn't have cages came into yeah you know all the stuff but I thought for the track days they

put roll bars and stuff not necessarily not in no no so you can have i20 and a hundays to

the GT3s everything in between the BMWs the two series all the stuff caimans are quite popular

and they've got everything so whatever you want to rent of course it adds to the cost but we think

it's yeah yeah so what's what is that so that is April 24th to 29th 2026

civiles circuit de civil which we have never been to i was on the autodromo do algarve so the algarve

port de mal circuit which i really like it's really superb zack and i've done a lot of blanco

outside of civil which is really nice too really there's there's a ton of racetracks like good

ones yeah spain's fucking rad man spain i'm excited for a start in civil so civil circuit

de civil and then we've made it very spouse friendly so if you want to bring the significant

other in your life you can and there's a day on track and then in sort of a we'll see you at the

next location and we've got a walking tour of civil the next day yeah walking because it's not that

far from civil to portamal yeah and then yeah over in portamal there's the algarve circuit

which is again superb and then some more time just if you want to go so you got two track days

in a row no it's it's track day at civil a walking tour in transit day to get you to

portamal and then two days on portamal if you want to go both days otherwise you're there on the

beach in portamal which is really cool yeah you're so that's the end of april probably do ring and

spa as we always do as an all-inclusive trip which is always really fun that'll be 10 or 12 people

probably will take that'll be in august and then we're going to figure out what our domestic

trips are we try to do one that is a greatest hits of utah we try to do that every year

and then we try to do one somewhere else the somewhere else is pending based on what we can

connect to an hod track day so we'll figure it out and then we're doing kota again

probably early august is what we're looking at yeah we like kota i love kota so it's just

superb we've never been on to it are you really okay what's the story leberman okay racing kendall

okay bell and tato ciderman who's like a 21 year old 22 year old hot shot like sweeping super

trafeo amateur class what are you driving yeah what are you driving 92 m3 holy crap no series is this

okay all right all right super fucking excited so the five sounds amazing yeah five of us two eight

hour races that sounds fantastic great yeah we get to find out who's faster me or johnny in the same

car okay and i mean we have two lamal like yeah i don't know if tommy's won lamal but like lamal

winner and the winning is road racing american driver of all time and i get to follow his

fucking data lines and the practice session incredible oh my gosh yes that's awesome that's

awesome sparko yesterday i got a new suit the new sparko suits are nice they're some

new good for you flexible that sounds fantastic ferrari red cool because all these guys are gonna

have like dope suits i didn't want to get a shitty be the guy because like tommy who knows what

they're showing up with yeah for sure with like his lamal yeah of course yeah yeah yeah right

and johnny has like some custom bugatti suit he got from them yeah i can't be gotta do something

i'm not gonna be the baller but i can't be that i can't have this base level but yours won't say bugatti

on the back which is actually good which is actually true yes and actually i got some new gloves

some of their new gloves are very nice shout out to them did not get a discount on anything they

but but good service and the gloves are nice that sounds awesome it's like an amazing event

fitting race a race suit in person is important yes going somewhere to try it on yes it is if you

can possibly manage doing so it is really worth it and you've already got a helmet then oh yeah

i have i have i have like the the good hard points i just okay everything else on it's everything

yes i'm gonna treat myself yeah man good for you bro fitting suit that's good you're gonna

that sounds like an incredible event wow that sounds like a lot of fun you say next week

when the dissent no two week december six seventh eighth it's my birthday for you phenomenal going

to texas and going racing that sounds fantastic sounds really good yeah yeah yeah right on it'll be fun

and code and code is the best code is fantastic we're very excited to go back with hooked on driving

for sure yeah yeah it's the first weekend of august is when we're going this year yeah what are

you driving on the track tbd because last year we drove our own cars yeah it's gonna say we're

not sure here we drove them down and put those on track this year because our travel's gonna be

different i don't know that we're gonna chance to do it we've got to figure it out at one point

do you guys get track cars in a truck trailer is youtube gonna take a turn back up it's a

it's a slow progression maybe i mean hey let me know i'll tell you the other end of this though

because i have clients who say essentially they cannot like give away their race cars right

i i have i know two people that are willing to take

shockingly low amounts of money for race cars there's apparently very little interest in second hand

sports car based race car yeah i guess it's interesting if you ever wanted to get

you know now's the time you're saying a production based sure sure yeah is not a bad time to buy

huh yeah okay there's the consumer advice for this episode gt3 rs's have held the value

yeah unfortunately unfortunately kind of i'm i really want you're not doing bad in a gt4

no i can't complain gt4 manual i really like gt4 is there that's a great car it's a great car

that's a great car there's there's that's like a kind of a no notes sort of car it really is i just

love it i've done very little to it for upgrades or anything it's just fantastic brake pads you

do is change the motor the gears did uh camera yeah what you know about that actually i looked into

that no no no you what i looked into the the uh demand yeah uh conversion i just looked into it

that's full throttle man it really is isn't uh aren't oil changes or no it's uh fuel you have to

keep a certain octane fuel anymore really yeah i don't know now we have pump gas tunes now

and they're better really that's so you don't have to search out race fuel to put in and

runs on 91 makes more power than it was running on no kidding yep yep service the same i mean same

really the break-ins a bitch i mean tedious yeah okay you have to do you have to do three oil changes

in the first 3500 miles after that you're good to go yeah okay i could suffer it's pretty hard for

though i could suffer through this is the info you didn't need right i didn't need to see the gear

yeah you're yeah i was like just the gears i would just do the gears oh really yeah i could

do one because i would just do the gears the gears are so long the gears are so long i mean that's

when your car and mine i definitely noticed how much are the gears 15 or something that's expensive

you have to take shit out but but it's a lot less than the motor yeah i mean yeah true have you

tried one yet no i never have i just drive mine it's downstairs kind of you can try it yes you

can drive it that'd be amazing yeah yeah transmission regearing for the came in from

shark works is it says call for price now but right now but but below that it says six thousand

for changing three four five no uh if you want to change two three four five it's eight five hundred

yeah that's a way i did two three four five you did yeah two three yeah i think for sure for eight

thousand yeah that's a i mean look to be honest it's less than i paid so whatever you know this is

the advice you did not need but that's if you're you know how do we wander into this you shouldn't do

the engine without doing the gears right of course right right you're doing the engine you did the

while you're in there of the gears is so obvious yeah but can you work your way there can you do

gears first and engine later you yeah of course but you're but you're doubling up labor costs because

you have to pull a bunch of shit out but and also ship the car to them well yeah that's a problem

yeah yeah hmm that's dang it yeah yeah this is gonna they don't you don't need to invest your

brain now yeah oh you don't you do not ship it now you don't need to go to demand to do gears

okay the demand the gear thing that they that they do is not proprietary it's the same gear thing that

sharky does or that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anybody the gears are the gears okay so whoever

dodson or whoever the fuck makes them and they they take them apart and put them in okay yeah yeah

you could you could get that done later but you're just you're just doubling up on labor

why am i considering this as i see a terrible youtube video probably do this

yeah for sure there's content i mean the forerunner i've got the forerunner that's the newest thing

and then wait till you're tired of what you've got yes i totally agree with that because a good driver a

gt4 is a fabulous thing but a good driver can get to you know i want a quicker power out of

the 12 in the 13 14 15 16 at kota you know you come to the end you're breaking hard

i want to spin the tires in third see i'm i wanted that because then you're get all your breaking

done and a 12 hard left i wanted the power and they're just the gearing was why am i considering

this what am i doing the downside of mine the downside of mine is the more service intervals

right and um the clutch is really heavy

which makes it makes it can be annoying in traffic sure yeah gt4 is not going to be

really a daily i'll drive around town but the gt4 has got a light clutch yeah it does it does

but i would think your car is more of a daily use it more it's not really a track car you don't

have it has never been on a track and probably will never go on a track it's canyons and

it's canyons this will help you uh friend of the show and frequent patreon

patreon commenter dan mckinnis who has lots of experience with these he just pays

shark works to do the shorter gears yeah and the all in cost i hope he's okay with this but he's

telling me we know dan it was 22 grand 22 it was okay and that was what 9500 for two to five

in the flywheel 9200 for the actual label labor that's the parts and that price was the parts

portion was 2800 from the dealership that pulled the trains i guess sure um so that's a lot that's a

thing yeah yeah that is so so hey look with the labor it really justifies that you get it you get to

save 10k by doing it at the same time that ain't nothing so you can you why super relatable

here if you exactly good yeah very good i'll tell you this don't you try my car and you can i'm

i'm happy to let you that's right there but you be ready

you're gonna like it we know what the next steps are nobody doesn't like it yeah that's amazing i'm

sure maybe i shouldn't right now because because you better be you better have a available credit

hang yeah yeah fortunately it's a business expense it is everything's a write-off

everything we do at all times for sure all cars need to be car life camera ready as you say they

need to be camera ready at all times for anything that we're doing which is yep are you guys doing

any road trips that are not uh seriously track focused that are more just road road drives yeah

we're doing uh like Todd said Utah is the the main one so those are just canyons like mountain

yeah we go straight down to the center of Utah there's kind of a greatest hits there we did

one that's also this pasture we do every couple of years which is up up to Beartooth Pass which is

one of my favorite roads in the world so we go uh Salt Lake to Jackson Hole to Beartooth so that's

a great one that's no track connection and typically when we've done these domestic road

trips they don't have a track element but we're going to try in the coming year or so that

we'll have the normal road trip and then it'll bump into a location that happens to have a

hooked on driving track days you can go to one of the days there if you don't get it

I totally understand or you can go to all of the above so we're going to try to connect

those if we can yeah well ideally maybe you want to do it and at the the track days where there's

like near it's near places where there's other shit going on exactly right yeah gingerman where

someone could hang out at the south haven waterfront or whatever yeah it's like that where

the track is like sort of near something yep not like chuck wall which I love I love but like

Sonoma and Laguna those are some of our faves oh yeah those some of our faves what is it

what is the because I haven't forgive my ignorance because I haven't paid retail for a

track day in a long time it's my privilege of my job and all sure what is if you do it just a

track day at Laguna what does a slot cost these days yeah the slots quiet day very so newbies well

novices they would require coaching and so their track day is actually going to be more expensive

because they've got we've got in car coach with them but for a Laguna track day you're probably

looking at 550 maybe 600 but for a expert class driver you don't need coaching you know what you're

doing you've been to the track you understand ready to go so it'd be actually less money so

cost you less as you progress to the ranks that's not bad yeah I'm terrible honestly and those are

the most expensive track days that hooked on driving runs and we try to be premium and

the safety is really good the car count is really low so the prices are a bit higher but

people appreciate that most expensive tracks in the country yes Kota's and Laguna is pretty much

Watkins is up there Watkins is getting up there yeah really fantastic track it's starting to get

but it is the best it's worth it and it's really in the northeast saunty and cody are doing an

incredible job so there are northeast franchise owners they're doing an incredible job running

great events they're actually going to have another fourth of july star stripes and speed

for for Watkins Glen in 2023 day monster they did this show was incredible yeah they had

camping fireworks drifting car show and in addition to three days on track so it was the

Glenn is the best it's really Glenn is pretty awesome we were just there in october again and

it's just superb it's really good so that's a real favorite it's so far in the middle of nowhere

it is in the middle of nowhere from here that may be the hardest place to get to in america it

feels like it and and the two times we've gone i just keep going there's not any other airport

that works better than though we can't just so dark at night yeah out there it's so dark

shockingly dark yeah how is this this dark out here both the times we've we've gone and we've

driven there somewhere halfway between the airport and Watkins Glen we look at each other we're

still following the nav going are we lost yeah because there has to be something somewhere

around here there's nothing at its pitch black great day and then the sun goes down where are we

do well chuck i mean chuck wall in the middle of the desert they have these cabins there

now there's like 30 cabins okay they're pretty chill if you're going to do a track day it's like a

must okay okay so it's like a one bedroom cabinet and it's got a little kitchen so you could bring

your you know you bring i brought my own groceries to make breakfast it was quite good

actually but yeah you are so 40 miles into the middle of the desert so yeah outside and it's

just like milky way that's pretty amazing actually it was it was good yeah that's good

that's fun man you guys got a lot going on you got you got drives you got track days you

got videos you got your whole podcast once a week now on video which is crazy yeah juggling a lot

of balls yeah man we got a lot of questions from our people oh cool let's go to the patreon because

they love it that's great because they pay a lot of money to be here yes they do it's cool to have

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them because i said i talked about it on the last show but bunch of people don't have a last show

because it was a pro show so that's what you're missing out by not being a patreon

member at the pro driver level you would have known about uncle phil's car window getting

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people who aren't familiar with our eight dollars there you go bro that's good dollars it's good

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for eight dollars anymore i think i think cigarettes in new york are like 20 how how much are

cigarettes in new york i that i i saw i was gonna go like i saw five dollar footlong so

it's this 14 dollars i saw 14 dollars at one point i was like whoa yeah holy crap i when i

quit in 2016 they were 11 almost 10 years no glad you quit good for you yeah that's a good

glad you quit it's too bad though because you know why cigarettes are so fun it smells so fun and they

make me feel so cool and good they're so nasty and i hate that they're so gross no vitamins in

those things yeah it's really unlike weed fiberglass they're fiber in that yeah unlike weed which has

vitamins th and c totally different thing yeah right tack a file says uh when you uh when you guys

meaning you boys uh do your road trip experiences how much does the work part of it impact your

ability to really enjoy the car stuff and the drive uh the the more time i've spent exploring this

hobby the more i'm realizing that road tripping is my preferred car cane delivery mechanism

i thought i i i i read that last line in my peripheral and i thought it actually said cocaine

and i was like if i wanted to run drugs i would join like what are you really saying

who knew our road trips are really awesome that once you're out again yeah

get down to the south remember when the first day of the Dakar truck that did oh my god fake

support truck in Dakar oh wow yeah uh this is a great question it is i think the

paul and i've joked with this before i doing our road trip films is my favorite thing that we do

now this past year we did a road trip that was we went from utah to circuit of the americas and

circuit of the americas to tale of the dragon it was a road trip film but it was also us hosting

people on the drive and that was too much trying to do a full film it was too much we found that

line that was the line don't cross it but the the the thing about the road trips and we

don't road trip films that i absolutely love so my favorite things are done but paul always

jokes with me because when we're in the middle of it i enjoy it but i enjoy it like 60 percent yeah

i enjoy it a hundred percent when i'm editing it and i have this whole new experience of seeing it

and i'm getting the experience i think i would do if i wasn't filming it when we did it

now i'm doing that in post-production which is weird so i have this like delayed reaction

of the road trips and i'll tell him something about it that i'm really enjoying he's like

yeah i was there yeah i do not have it all editing anything except the pivotal flying

machine that was the only time i edited oh interesting because i was living it like like

seeing it for yeah seeing it look like a body and i was like oh shit i didn't die i didn't

die in car videos i'm like i'm not having fun again the way you are yeah so i am for the

road trips for sure and and and i'm and i guess the part of me that's aware of all the stuff

that we have to get through so we've got a film is at least in my brain the whole time we're

doing the road trip and once that's released because now we've got whatever footage i have

here's all i have yeah and now i'm able to fully be like oh this was really cool that we did this i'm

really glad we did this it's very bizarre something we we found out about the trips were we early

trips we did not reveal the route follow the cars follow the car in front of you we'll we'll make

sure we'll collect the group make sure nobody gets the ones we take with people the ones we

take with these these drugs we do that well people know where we're going but the exact

when we're going to turn off and and pit stops along the way just in an effort to make people

try to step out and just enjoy the trip and just enjoy the scenery and take your eyes off your phone

but that has proven unsuccessful no shit because people just need to have in front of them and

weirdly people are enjoying it more you cannot have people driving that have no idea where they're

going or how long until we get there you can't do that if they they have it up on their phone

now so we have we have we share everything that's a thing yeah so that has relieved people's minds

so you ran that by me before you tried that i would have told you absolutely no way that we've

done it successfully for a while and but we've we've seen over time the tide turn on that so

we're just like all right so we'll give out the route that's fine because you know why because

the first time you do it you've got hardcore fans hardcore people that's fair dad they trust you 100

percent once you do it a bunch of times like come on honey this will be fun you know that's a fair

point yeah and yeah and what do you mean we won't know and how long until i can pee what do you mean

we don't know how far to the exact yeah it's not good in the car yeah it's been bubbling in the

car a little bit before i got to you i assure you that's funny that's funny yeah yeah yeah no i

yeah you gotta tell so when people come hang out with their internet friends that's really fun but

we share the trip so good news we share the trip so it's relieved everybody's minds and we've got

really planned we've got a really dialed you know it's funny when i do these for for people for

road and track when i'm doing it with the guests i'm in full like customer service mode

like the driving bit is autopilot sure like are these people having fun yes am i sure is

everybody safe is everybody enjoying themselves well it's like full-on customer service i it's nice

that i get to go do the drives by myself to make the route sure yeah because that's the like that's

the one you just enjoy the spirit of the road trip and you know the other road trip or it's the

the other which i don't don't be wrong like i enjoy doing it i'm doing customer service from

behind the wheel of a cool car is there's worse ways to live absolutely yeah it's fine and and

making films also but making the film takes me out of a moment that could be very authentic if i was

there to do a written piece where i could have the adventure make a quick voice note and continue

having the adventure versus like hold on let's let's do that one again let's let's stop this

stand up like sure you know it's not really happening um and unless you have enough resources

to really have do have it happen in real time and yeah and be able to do it authentically

which is you have to get to a certain level and do that we've been the same headspace definitely

customer service definitely want to make sure every are you having a good time we keep asking

people are you having fun that's what we're here to do yeah and so there there is an element

of fun we do love doing it we're out there the planning once we're past the planning we can

actually go drive yeah stress just melts away it's good uh does that clap my cheeks uh owner

of an emoticilice uh one minor issue of discover is i accidentally hit the horn during spirited

driving due to spoke mounted buttons they're here they're under your thumbs right there yeah it's a

weirdest place to have the horn yeah uh i i get it um you've gotta you've gotta adjust the fact

the tiny wheel you gotta adjust the fact that you you don't have to grip the wheel super

hard and you gotta roll your hands out a bit and just get lighter on the wheel if if you

roll you if you're a person that rolls your thumbs in your thumb pads in on the wheel

and you push on the wheel at all subconsciously with those thumb pads you'll hit the horn all

the time you just gotta you gotta drive the edges of the wheel it works out very funny but yeah it's

the weirdest place to have the horn because the other thing is once you get to that place where you

have kind of trained yourself to not hit it then in the moment you need the horn you're like

where's the heck's the horn yeah it's not with the yeah yeah it's it's yeah and it once you

know it it makes sense but it's a weird place but it's on the but it's on the wheel on which

part it's the thumb okay you know you know how the wheel has a little bulb part right before

the right so you press down pads right below the bolt like right where the cross pieces are

where you put your thumb pads okay it's right when you press it does the wheel move at all

like does it change the steering even a degree okay no no because it's right in the compression

points where it goes from metal to perforated leather right there it's right there so you

gotta get your hands a little higher problem dude get a get a aftermarket steering wheel

with a center mount button sure and then just put the steering wheel it's not an airbag

wheel right it is an airbag oh it is is there another is there another uh lotus that you could

swap with interesting i don't know maybe an aura but i don't know i wouldn't mess with

that it's an airbag wheel i wouldn't yeah sorry your host but there's a decent number of people

that actually take that wheel off and just put a non-airbag wheel on it which i wouldn't do but

no i wouldn't take out airbags in a car like that agreed maybe you could i mean one could

disconnect the horn control and put put a stand alone horn button if you really that's been done

for sure yeah yeah uh blip bmw clown shoe mucker love it love it uh what's your cleaning routine

after driving cars in winter this is all you paul yeah you know you definitely uh use your power

washer keep that alive in your garage but all the non the the non bristly tunnel washes

usually have a sprayer that you drive over especially in utah we see that a lot so you

drive over it and the sensor senses your car and you just you slowly yes you roll over the bidet

and you just do that quite frequently so get your membership to your local also what about if your

car isn't super low we've done this here the old school oscillating sprinklers yes you just not

terrible yeah under the car and you do you pick you put it in a spot and you let it go for like

20 minutes and then you move it a couple feet like 20 that's not a little longer yeah it does

work that makes sense i see that can you spray the bottom of your cayenne eevee where there's

wireless charging and then you spray it with water and well they apparently they've sold

did they think of this very good sir uh german shepherd transport e39 is a 98 boxster

worth a word okay hang on is a used 981 boxster s for 50 k worth the premium over a 40 k

e92 m3 um and your transmission for the yeah i think so i'd probably say yes absolutely yeah i mean i

like the mid engine rotation the e92 is great you know heavier car front engine but i do like the

boxster i have a rule which is that you shouldn't buy a car with a backseat if you don't absolutely

need a backseat i like that rule adding a backseat to a car dynamically makes it so much worse

and cars that don't have back seats all of them drive better than the cars that do and the boxers

is lighter too and the whole thing about it the rotation the weight all of the above yeah except

the avora but that's an outlier yeah uh the avora man it's an outlier four seats but it's kind of a

shelf they're a shelf in my amir it's better for it it's much better for it yeah technicality the

flock six will you be putting a focus on willow springs now that the work is going into place

didn't i introduce you guys to somebody willow springs we're talking with willow spring so the

answer on that is hod will be at willow springs in the future as to when it's really

going to depend on their development as they do things out there but we're talking with them had

great conversation with them already so thank you for the connection and we will be back out there

for sure be there on fucking monday and i got rain out that's crazy bummer i would i would have

driven it in the wet too because it had been raining for a few days so it would have been a

little you know rinsed off you're doing streets because they got that yeah i haven't driven it

yet yeah yeah we haven't either because it's new that's the new thing yeah but uh but yeah

canceled rain christian says what's the floor on a poll star one they're down to 50 60 k christian did

you ask us i think we got an email about a poll star one i think that might be you but thanks for

asking 50 to 60 i think so because that was always the tip of the spear for poll star when they're

trying to figure out what their company was and was not they always introduce poll star this is

the tip of our technological spear we're trying things that the company hasn't tried before

and so for 50 60 grand for a hundred and fifty thousand dollar car new i'd say you're probably

close to the floor there's such pretty cars they're pretty cars i offered to buy the press car at a

slight discount but it took them like a year to get their shit together so i did not end up buying

it chris harris bought one of the press cars really like you liked it enough too i thought it was

fabulous i thought it was a great car 56 for sure 56 like here's the question like do i want

one that looks like worn and shitty and is that what 50 grand gets you for point is 50 grand

gets you one that's got like 7 000 miles and looks really nice you know so like if you could be king

of the nerds with one of those like it's a good looking car but most people won't look at it

twice but yeah show up somewhere with one it's like if you know you know kind of definitely

definitely and they're comfortable and they're fast yeah and you know sure which are most cars

i mean and they can be if that's a good like all right if poll star somehow becomes tesla

in a in a good way not the fashion i understand i understand yeah right yeah like uh then in that

car then that's the floor if if all star doesn't make it two more years yeah the floor is zero

you're absolutely right yes i was gonna ask that ask raise that question is it just depends

on what the future of that brand is going to be because they could keep dropping yeah we'll see

eventually both poll star service centers and volvo service centers will refuse to work on yeah

eventually that we call that the h1 hummer problem sure yeah for sure that's good yeah yikes uh timay

says uh for paul uh can you speak to your experience owning two caimans simultaneously

how much do they overlap in use as pdk and manuals two caimans simultaneously was fun

needed the money out of the pdk 981 but i felt like i i love pdk i just was done with it i wanted

wanted to go back to manual transmission but they're two completely different cars and i

as soon as i drove the gt4 i it felt like a different car it is a different car what i love

about it is it's it's a parts car it's a bunch of gt3 parts stuffed into the caiman chassis

and i was talking to you i was convincing you and you were a little skeptical i think like gts gt4

aren't they just kind of the same and then you drove it and kind of went whoa yeah they're not

these are much the same yeah if you're going on the track there's a real for track use yeah that

that was my point so for track use and and my intention was for track use as we've

you know brought hod into our lives and and uh in your 981 gts was a really good gt car

but there's a precision to your gt4 that is a whole lot of it's all the gt3 stuff on yeah

christian says will we get to a point in a few years where sports cars stop chasing

numbers and focus on engagement the gt3 has insane demand and it's a pretty basic car with

real controls and no extra hybrids or turbos i i think that's while an accurate statement

i don't think it accurately describes the gt3 i don't think the gt3 is as basic as christian

says it's like a 260 000 car and we just had one at performance car of the year and

i'll it may it may not uh it's insane to think that porsche is not chasing numbers with the

gt3 that's a crazy statement to make that's a crazy statement to make they just present

yorg to the burg uh yorg to the burgmeister ring to fucking just set the manual transmission record

yeah you're right yeah who the fuck doesn't think porsche cares about lab times that's nuts

well there's all the real time changes and controls you can do in that car there's

so much going on it but at the low end you've got like miata drz uh gr 86 i mean they're

they're trying to improve their numbers but i think it's like at the very low end they're not

chasing numbers and then at the medium high end they're trying they have the freedom i think to

sell things that are a little bit more niche and just for aimed at engagement i mean i i hope

that continues i mean you're right there's some decent stuff at the bottom end and i think

you know i i would like to think that now we were talking about earlier now that there's so

many cars that have broken the thousand horsepower number and so many of our evs which are not about

engagement anyway it's just about how fast can we go i'd like to think it creates a vacuum of stuff

where we just go okay let's not worry about the number let's make something that's cool but the

problem is that's such a niche market are you going to sell enough to make the r and d worth it

i mean i love that the 86 exists in the miata i can't believe that those continue to stand up

and and be sold but i i do feel like we are reaching a tipping point where we can't just

chase a higher horsepower number because it does it's so fully irrelevant at this point yeah uh i

i just wonder like who is buying them in mass when we have this

vibes car then the new i agree thousand the new yes it's great it's gonna be really hard to get

enough people to buy it who is buying that yes and the reason that we have you know these

really small outfits building these either rest oh mods or that like that alpha uh thing that we

drove the totem gt you know this stuff's really expensive but it can be built in small volume

for incredibly passionate people um and and it seems like every time i mean granted no one has

come out with like since the 86 no one's come out with like a really great great affordable

sports car right yeah right yeah agree yeah agree that's the last that's the last reduction yes for

sure one for sure since then like we don't really have much but it's not like uh everyone's like

trying and there's been a whole bunch of terrible you're totally right yes they're just not really

because suv's sell matt so we're gonna make another suv because we don't have one between

like four and a half seats and five and a half seats so there's one right there bmw has something

for you the other do for sure they're like a coupe version something but like our infrastructure

sucks and i'll you know yeah yeah normally like you know i'm driving this uh this week i'm driving

that rivian outside around and i'm like oh yeah la is like more like off-roading than it is like

like the nirvana action for sure yeah most of the time and so that's why people are buying

shit like this totally yeah uh big ben wants to know if hooked on driving has canadian

expansion plans western kenner what's the name of the track just north of uh 29 area 27 29 it was

an area 27 that's on vancouver island that's it that's right yeah just straight north big ben we

have talked about that particular track we've got a great pacific northwest franchise and they are

making some noises about it so no concrete plans yet but i would just say watch this space right

now because we're talking about it they have expressed interest and i'm glad that you are

because uh yeah that just shows uh shows interest really appreciate it john henna see you next tuesday

how similar is buying a used watch to buying a used car can i buy a depreciated speedmaster

for a thousand dollars and it will work the same as a new one assuming it's serviced first off

if you see a speedmaster for one thousand dollars stolen or fake exactly 100 exactly right even the

shittiest speedmaster ever would be about $3500 it's gonna say there's no one thousand dollars

there's no such thing as a real one thousand run away it's a it's a moons watch actually that's

true you're being ripped off you get four of those for that price um no yes and no can there are

watches the vast majority of watches depreciate like the vast majority of cars the vast majority

of watches are don't need nearly as much service or attention as a car and so could you buy a two

year old omega or tutor or seiko or rolex or whatever uh and in some case rolex maybe not

but in some cases be depreciated and you can save some money and get a good watch like yes

absolutely but if the price is that low that's a shitter one way or the other yeah run away from

a thousand dollars that's either a scam or busted or something there's also john there's

also a sense of pride into saving for something that you really want instead of getting it for

super cheap and you saved and you got it and it works and it's authentic and it's genuine

and that is important you know i mean like deal there's deals there's deals getting a deal on

something is all right fine with that it's a buyer's market right now for sure but not a speedmaster

for a thousand bucks but not a thousand dollars but that's absolutely not my speedmaster came in

right before this show oh yeah well what the fat it's in the other room it is i'll let you guys

all right i have to see it sit quietly in the corner you guys know teddy teddy baldasar

that's the homie yeah nice he's the man that is cool elon musk uh hi elon musk hiling a robotex

that's very funny that would be a pretty funny t-shirt really it's very good elon is trying to

fucking flat out that's amazing i had no idea fill your tires to the stock uh recommended

pressures for road driving or do you make adjustments use that door jam sticker that is there for a

reason we actually refer to it quite a lot when you're on track because when you are calculating

your psi for what you are comfortable driving on track that is your baseline that is the place

to start and then drop your pressures from there that sticker exists for a reason so yeah regular

road driving i'd say you can stick pretty close to that for cold temps and then personal

preferences from there what do the engineers know really yeah exactly i don't know what that

are indeed what are those people know the only time i would maybe not go directly by that is um

if you're going from run flats to non run flats that's a very good sure that's a very good point

different that's a different case consult your local forum yes they know everything yes then we're

reddit i'm sure would yeah it's um rage against the moch eat that's pretty very good very good

you can only drive one car brand for the rest of your life any models old or new

but you do have to pay for them what brand are you picking

Porsche Porsche this is not it's probably going to be Porsche but because of the

because of the breadth of it i mean you know because if i because if i pick lotus i wind up in

the uh electric electric suv and that no i don't want to be there yeah you have no dailies yeah

that's the problem you know you know i mean maybe alpha but i yeah it's probably Porsche

if you were in europe you could do that you can't do that in america yeah you know what i mean

yeah because now in europe you could be driving some like dope alphas sure so yeah yeah for sure for

sure i mean i would totally come on i would totally drive a quadrifoglio the 156 what's the

very pretty rear wheel drive sedan that they did from like i think you're right late 90s or

2000s i don't know yeah i think so yeah uh zach skrulski for me bruh

the stig's lauchin cousin very nice put a refundable deposit on the prelude at my local dealer

i feel like it will be drive between a cross between the civic hybrid and the si

your take on the prelude did you drive this thing haven't driven it yet we're very excited

to drive it we want to drive it uh yeah i'm just very curious about it because when we drove

the civic hybrid it was very funny we drove the civic hybrid at the end of that review

paul starts building out the performance version he thinks is possible with the hybrid as as a base

and the prelude hadn't been announced yet and it's amazing how similar what he was dreaming of is

what the prelude is now of course there's lots of discussion of price where does it fit in the

market who's going to buy it all of those things are tbd i think stig's lauchin cousin is

thinking correctly here but i i'm really curious who the buyer is for this car because i struggle with

it on well they sold 42 crz's so they're gonna start with those people exactly those 42 are

instantly gone call our car and also that proves you can have a hybrid manual so why aren't

there more of those separate problem but the the thing about the prelude is i i feel like if

you want a coop shape yeah that's a hybrid you can now just go prius and save yourself money if you

want a great-looking fun to drive uh commuter you're spending almost 45 grand with the prius it's it's

going to be forty three forty three yeah at that point you're you're yeah but you're close to the

civic type r price yeah you can get a gti loaded out you can get a golf r you've got a lot of

competition i still like 29 that's the thing they're right about 30 yeah exactly it's a 10

that's the hard part what what is it's the other things you can get for the price is in a launch

truck and a great question yeah i'm that's my question mark on the car yep uh two porches one

cup um okay what what items are great to keep in your daily driver's console i don't keep

shit in my cars because i'm always going car to car instead i have the man purse

anyway so you got the merse the man purse goes with me and uh you know that has my things do you

guys keep shit in your car mince mince and that's it i'll know altoids always altoids yep always

altoids you know i like an altoid because when you finish the altoids and then you put your weed

in there it's like a multi purpose except you get like a menthol vibe we do you go all right

i never thought about that there you go all right especially like steamboat gondola

i don't know it's all good though you don't know about the gondola i keep the gondola you can put

it together the gondola i'll get there yes of course i'm with you i charge cables is about the

one thing i keep in my cars that's about it yeah are you pro or anti wireless charge

anti anti except for the Porsche your car i don't know i'm gonna fucking what the the wireless

cooling vents to keep your phone cool for the tycon the tycon right it's got that's the only car

with events yeah it's got to my mouth i don't know if it's the only car i don't know if any other

car that has vents to keep your phone cool on the phone heater yeah yeah yeah it needs it

dude i mean yeah i'm wireless charging in this rivian and i my phone like was like burning

yeah i in my pocket after for that reason alone it's just you're cooking your own if that

feels like really putting something radioactive very close to your testicles yes it does exactly

terrifying yeah uli conkels autobahn um oh boy will will digital id oh boy this is i mean okay

hang on will digital id central bank currency and your social score spell the end for the car

industry a lot happening here yeah i mean dude this segment will be brought to you by speculation

yeah buy old cars man yeah just buy old this country you know a matter with any no the level

of digital never legislate away the 67 pock fucking mustang true fair yeah there will never be a day

in america where you can't drive your old car down yeah that's fair point it's true what's that

movie the last drive where the guy has the Porsche 962 like are the Porsche like 908

hidden away don't know the last there is a movie i don't know this movie where it's there it's a

post apocalyptic you know all total surveillance state kind of thing and this old guy racing driver

has like a Porsche fucking 908 like yeah and or can am car thing

in a in a warehouse somewhere and he like rips it across america with like being chased by

the government so it's a cross a vanishing point and medmax yeah it's something like that

converges those two okay have a look at um oh speaking of which have we seen the sedans

that the wealthy elite drive in the new running man film i i need to see the new running man

it's pretty good you see yeah it's decent did you i mean i'm not amazing but it's decent

original yeah enough yeah yeah enough that i was like all right let's see what they did this time

took my son it was pretty good original has some fabulous la location repurposing going on it's

really great and uh richard dawson as the the evil tv host yeah rolls up in that maserati

quattroporte limo that's which is right that's hard as fuck dude this guy's in a qp limo 80s yes

there's a wheel arch i saw an old lagonda in the back of the of the new running man movie there's a

new running yeah yeah they've done a lot of that oh so is that what they're is that what he's talking

about there's stuff like that going on with their where they've done what feels like 80s they went

back to 80s feel and they brought that stuff forward for the new stuff is what it feels like

you don't see a lot of it also has that um what also has that uh it is it has a demolition man feel

in some gun damn cars as far as the cars are concerned there's a little bit of that you'll

probably like it yeah yeah demolition man they just took gm's entire concept they did they did

yep yep but it has that feel it would you learn that if you take a shit in my demolition man

i've heard the story yes dead fast says uh paul our air cooled cars worth it a 993c2 as an entry

price of around 100k is it a hundred k experience no no it's not the problem is they're not going

down from here i mean that's so that's no they're not that's what i think a lot of people miss

about the is it when you're talking about the is it of this much experience

hmm you're usually got to be talking about new cars because with stuff like this

they're part of the reason that's 100k is because so many people think that it won't go down it's true

absolutely yeah you know i mean yeah yeah people believe that so if you buy it for 100k and you

put 10 000 miles on it people the people in general the world is confident that you that that car

will still you know so like yeah so you're not really it doesn't cost you 100k to drive this car

maybe it costs you 10 or 15 or maybe maybe you turn a profit one day you might yeah yeah if you

hold along so it's not it's like yes that's it costs money to get in but like you you've only

done half the math true but on the other end of the spectrum if you're looking at it as

what's the best driving experience did i spend 100k and get a driving experience better that i

would have gotten somewhere else at 50k probably not you know but his perceptions driving experience

is a completely unique driving it is so the answer to that question is always no you cannot get this

experience from anything okay besides another air-cooled board yeah okay we all have to stop

putting a dollar value on is is yeah any new car worth this amount of money are the any new

portions any of it's so subjective i mean i i tried to put that in the the rtr review i put up today

like there are going to be people that will say that's rad and if you people i think it's

really expensive for that car but when you do the math on like some of the competition or the

predecessors like it's actually pretty close but it's always how much money do you have and

how much are you willing to spend of that money on this experience it's totally subjective

it's really hard to do like that on every car we every single car it's just a slender

eight thousand dollars more than you were expecting to spend they asked for 50 and you

sold him a 60 thousand dollar car slim happens i'm pretty confident i will not make it to old age so

i'm riding fucking hard lean in now like good lean in on yeah i i have a whole i have a whole

big don't touch it pile and then i have i have a plate i do whatever the fuck you want pile

and i pull hard in in that pile i love it that's great really the move that's excellent

like that i'm going to go straight to demerit parkway because this is a very interesting one

wait hang on can you answer john's question real quick what which power stop pads did you put on your

expedition z36 truck and tow for sure yeah because you've got a heavy one and expedition is

heavy so definitely john z36 truck and tow copy demerit parkway says both of us talk about

the importance of right tires for the conditions what tires would you run on a cooled

excuse me i tried to say cooled cooler but i said and then cold at the same time cooler

track days where it might be below 40 degrees in the morning would you still run a summer tire

but just take time to warm up properly before sending it yes i would yeah yeah definitely you

gotta warm up that the day is going to normally why not run those tires yeah i'm just going to be

careful going out there first thing they're going to be hockey pucks is anyone doing like a

fall on like a winter track day no i mean if you're on a racetrack no even if it's cold outside

between between the contact patch and more importantly your brakes

heating the wheels from the inside out yep you're going to get a tire up to temperature

if not on the warm-up lap on lap two or three even if it's fucking cold outside yep well

and yeah if you're the first car on the track if that's a different story well and we set the

track yeah it's also talking about a 40 degree temperature day we're not talking about driving

and it's below freezing okay that's a different animal so 40 degree in the morning go out there on

your normal tires the day is going to get warmer car is going to get warmer you'll be all right

just take it pressures to watch pressures but if it's like below freezing like fuck you doing

with the track what track day we have i totally agree exactly for sure there's a big many other

questions have to be answered i totally agree yes oh dude uh mica bam bam black says uh i want an

incognito daily driver uh i guess you mean luxurious yeah wait wait this question i'm sorry i should

have read this first this question makes no sense okay this question makes absolutely no sense if

you were to be uber rich and want a daily driver that's incognito call it a 70 k budget okay i'm

sorry but that 70 k budget you're doing well you're not uber rich fair right uber rich is you

did you had a driver or some shit right right i don't anyway they they think you get an ionic

six n so a stealth vehicle to be to be driven in i suppose right it's not the ionic six because

the that is the weird lights well in the roof in the back like i when i sit in that the back

seat of that thing like my legs have all the space with my head touching the roof

but are we being driven in this or are we driving it if it's a daily i kind of feel like this is

this is the daily hangout what if you're uber rich but i want to look like an uber black driver

maybe that's what he wants maybe he wants to be he's rich for an uber driver escalate that's

he's escalating totally saying i'm louisville rich it's like i'm uber rich he's like i'm rich

for an uber driver i mean a cool car 70 k that's not going to get a lot of notice

is actually an m2 oh because unless you're a car enthusiast it's just a bmw and if you're a car

even car enthusiasts don't want to look at it exactly see perfect we're done excellent i would

say a volvo xc 60 with the real with with a bunch of nice options sure loaded xc 60 is it

in with air suspension that's good well interior and the bno stereo is a very comfortable daily

yet it's very nice yes okay that's good i like that yeah and even if you're uber rich

adi suresh i want a cool wagon for a hundred k okay a custom built m3 with a manual trend

wow okay rs6 avante or a tycon sport turismo this would be in addition to my current daily

a rarity that i would move to the weekends i would get the tycon if you can charge it at home

yeah yeah and i'm surprised the panamera the actual panamera is not included here at all

they don't make a wagon anymore so you'd have to go you'd have to go used but for a hundred

okay you can go use yeah use yeah rs6 is but the f81 and three other people right fair they're

born fair yeah they're fast boring yeah yeah very forgettable yeah i mean i i think the uh

the 63 mercedes should be included in here too the e 63 but i don't know that you'd like it

more than the other things listed and i really think that the panamera should be included

sure yeah that's good i i i think i think i mean as someone who has a tycon as a daily yeah i i

struggle i know you love it yeah better one yeah i see that i mean if you i mean i'm driving this

rivian right now i you know they're not known for their reliability but it is quite a delight

to drive it's actually much more like a range rover than it is like a explorer i completely agree

with that yeah what's the mileage on your tycon currently now i just hit 34 000 yesterday

and you bought it with what 26 okay so it was practically new yeah i mean it's it had it had a

few yeah to your lease it had a few signs of where it was definitely the the lessor was definitely

a guy who was like this is a rental like he okay so like he needed sure had to do like a couple

little painless dent removal couple touch up pain i had like it was cheap because it was scruffy

okay and so like but i i fixed it for sure for fucking nothing and so it's fine it's fine to me

yeah but it like it when i bought it it definitely felt a little used and like but it was so cheap

like whatever yeah yeah i see the value it's been 100 reliable and dependable other than the air

that's great the air conditioning thing was weird uh what happened there it turned out there

actually was some kind of a bad valve that they did replace but like uh every once in a while

if you would try to use um on the app the pre-climate like so you go sure yeah yeah you make it cooler

whatever uh it would the app would give an error and then when you got to the car to drive it

it would think the air conditioning was on but it wouldn't blow cold air it would just blow

ambient but it didn't throw an error code or anything so i found out that you could reset

it by doing a soft sleep cycle which is just park the car shut it off walk away lock it

and get the fob out of range for like three minutes and then come back and it that would be back

so i did that happen like twice they fixed the valve thing it hasn't happened since under warranty

so like that's the only reliability thing that's happened all right fine no we deal

and you're fine now you're all all good yeah that's cool it seems like a great deal yeah

yeah it's lovely those are cool uh we are starting to see more lane mire's bank says we're starting

to see more manual swaps in the cars that were never offered as manual like 2000s Mercedes

if cost and feasibility were no object what car never offered with a manual would you swap and why

how about the alpha julia quadrifoglio yep that'd be really cool the manual that would be fun

or just ship them over from europe they made it with a manual or no they didn't make it was just

i don't think they offered a manual the base car in manual you do the alpine 110 do that one

there you go a 110 yeah i'll be the 4c your favorite yeah there you go absolutely new

how about a new but no i think a quadrifoglio with a with a manual be awesome that's good

i'd like to see a ferrari 458 speciala yeah there you go yeah the 360 challenge

manual swaps do you know what those costs now with the manual swap huh they're 400 plus

what are they without a manual swap they are they more is less it's not significant like a hundred

grand less i'd rather i'd rather if i was gonna i'd rather just build that myself i agree you would

do it yourself yes a lot less money yeah i've seen i wouldn't want something like that you don't want

like some provenance car you want a car because 360s are so fun to beat the snot out of and you do

not they're boring to baby you want to rip one you want to rip you don't you don't want provenance

you want just you want fucking disposable uh johnny eevee gearberman uh nc meata or potiac

solstice gxp uh meata i'm going nc yeah the solstice and and saturn sky redline both of those are

i so wish gm had done a second gen they were so close they were there and they're cool and they're

a lot they're much better car for the money than you think they are i think they are overlooked

and underappreciated yeah having said that the nc which was the unloved meata and it's one of the

rare ones i actually fit in the reality is those were unsung for a while now they're on the

rise there are parts like crazy people are tuning them into monsters anything you want to do to that

car is available and if something goes wrong on your solstice or saturn you're going to be in real

trouble find trying to solve it right so all of that is the nc uh the flying meata nc car legal

turbo yes which we did yes i think you guys drove the heavy duty when we drove the more the more

simple one there's like two levels of power we drove a white one we drove a white one okay we

black roof we drove jordan's so uh wasn't that it it maybe so we drove it yeah it was jordan's

it was the white one yeah that's phenomenal yeah it was so good and i mean it felt stock power was

amazing but there's just so much you can do to those cars now and seriously just body panels on the

solstice and the saturn are hard so yeah anyway body panels they're not something you want to

get into with the car that's not that expensive finding the body panels yeah for sure uh wow good

questions today guys thank you uh thank you guys for coming in awesome thank you guys i know it's

last minute a thrill to be here really cool to see you and we actually we're going to do a show today

anyway just instead of a show with me and him it became a show with you guys cool love our

thanks for having us uh next time dinner be great like we love that appreciate the offer thank you

maybe if it rains we can watch the garbage can slide down hey you know what do you guys do for

fun in LA that's fantastic we will believe the weekend we had if you watch trash go down

We're Coastal Eats

I want to drive your car. I don't think we have time today

Also, you don't have budget today to drive. I don't know because it's gonna sell me

Pink it's a whole thing. You have to what paint it pink. Oh pink. Well, I've got the gentian blue gentian blue

He's quite price car provenance. Yeah. Hey, can you be with your car wasn't

No, you should question all gentian blue. That's very funny. That's a very funny car in Porsche. That's okay

Of course every day at every day driver calm hooked on driving calm

Yeah, what are the is there a special one for the road trips or is that within the everyday?

One of those two would get you there anyway, you know, you know where to find all these guys. We love them. Yeah, Paul and Todd

Thanks for coming guys. See y'all later. Bye sure

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