Personal Rides, Bad Brakes, and Questions of the Week

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Bring a Trailer podcast.

My name is Alex Porter, coming to you from the Bring a Trailer headquarters in San Francisco,

joined once again by Randy Nonenburg.

Hey, Randy.

Hey, what's going on?

And in the studio, again, one of our favorites, back.

How are you, bud?

I'm doing well, Alex.

Thank you.

So today, we're going to talk about some results on the site, some cars that are interesting

to us, and we're going to go through some questions of the week, which are always fun

in the community loves, and we'll answer some of those ourselves and maybe highlight some

of the community responses as well.

But before we do that, any car updates back?

You've done some stuff, right?

Do you have 9-11 related news or nothing?

Nothing exciting.

Nothing 9-11 related.

It's been sitting on the lift in the office above Randy's Golf for a while.

But the Mercedes wagon did a 2000 mile road trip.

Oh, great.

We drove all the way up to Lassen Volcanic and then did a big loop up there, then came

back and did admirably by first time in like 10 years driving an altitude on a naturally

aspirated car, which was not so reassuring.

What's the car?

Tell people what the car is.

E350 wagon 2014, so it's new to you, new to me, certainly not new, had 100,000 miles

on it, but it was fantastic, was on the site, but I didn't obviously buy it on the site.

Whoever bought it ended up traded into a dealer.

It ended up over here in the Bay Area.

I didn't know that piece of its history.

I didn't know that.

It had been sold by 600 Veloce, actually.

Really?

Yes.

It still has the remnants of the state.

Anthony's figures are on everything.

I was looking at a GLI Jetta.

That's what I think I want to talk about.

You're like, you see who bought that?

Yeah.

Every car will eventually go through, like every car will eventually go through BAT.

Every car will eventually go through New York.

North Salem, New York.

Totally.

It was a local enthusiast dealership in, let's say, San Bruno, and when I walked in

the door, someone who was helping me asked the owner of the place there, are there any

issues with the car?

Because I had asked them, is there anything that you know you want to tell me about?

And the guy said, no, no, no, it was on Bring a Trailer, 1600 Veloce sold it.

They said that?

Unsolicited?

Unsolicited.

Wow.

It needs to go on the carpet.

100 K miles in New York state car?

I believe so, yes.

So that's sort of terrifying for a guy in California, Beck?

Yeah.

I just had the rear crash bar taken up because that are a hitch put in that has a crash bar

as part of it.

And the guy who installed it asked me if I wanted to have it.

I looked down and I'm like, I don't want that piece of rust.

I don't know what a crash bar is.

Is that something a modern car has?

I don't need the A to the platform.

Pulled out the crash bar.

It's the only way you can get a hitch in that car, I guess.

Okay, cool.

Was it everything you'd hoped you'd wanted one of those cars for a long time?

Yeah, I've been doing a lot of researching.

I really just wanted a third row.

That's all I've been wanting this entire time.

But now you also want turbos or a suit.

Is that the last car?

Is that the last car to have a third row like that?

Like rear-facing, right?

Technically, the Model S technically.

Oh, dude, don't break it.

I'm just saying.

You just, you asked.

I did ask.

I walked into that one, stepped into that one.

But let's say a bit.

This is where I need the producer.

Why?

Is this the last Benz 2014 with a rear-facing seat?

13s had them.

But the interior, it's sort of modernized.

It doesn't look the same.

But what I really wanted was a rear-facing bench.

I would have loved an AMG, but they stopped doing both of those in the 12s

because apparently the spare wheel was too large underneath the rear seats.

So my thought is I'm going to have this until kids can't have a rear bench anymore

and then also opt for an AMG Wag.

AMG Wag.

Beck.

There we go.

Express.

There we go.

SF Express.

Love that.

But now, does this change your tune not whether you want an NA motor?

You think the 6-2 has got enough grunt that it wouldn't matter at altitude?

I haven't driven it, but I would have imagined so.

I would hope so, for sure.

But that was the thing was that we had our, we have a base golf,

but it's a turbo 1.7 or 1.8 or whatever it is.

Oh, that'll smoke the Benz wagon.

But it'd be not altitude.

It'll smoke it.

That's true.

Yes.

It was surprising how different it was.

I have not really experienced that.

You're an aviation guy.

You know, density at altitude.

That's the killer, right?

Did you have aerodynamic problems?

Did you have a roof box on?

A lot of roof box on.

Oh, dude, you're stacking it up against you.

Animals, kids, all the gear.

That little wheezy Benz motor is like, come on, man.

Give me a break.

7,000 feet and a roof box.

Oh, yeah.

So that and now going through the experience of prepping a car for sale.

So that's trying to wager.

A car or which car?

Oh, I know.

I know.

Hold on.

It was a secret.

We're keeping that a secret.

Announce it now.

Is that going to be a tears?

Is that going to be low check?

No, he might be in California car.

He has a white California German car.

It's a white California, all California German car.

It could be no reserve on the side.

That and maybe hopefully.

Tell people what it is.

Drum up some enthusiasm now.

It's a 2004 BMW E46 ZHP 6 speed with the Alcantara interior,

which I know sounds like a really sort of annoying detail to bring up,

but I find it kind of odd that there's a four door car that was made back then

that had an Alcantara interior.

Yeah, that was cool.

That was a cool car when that came out.

That's a cool car now.

Yeah.

So BMW when that car came out and all of us were like trying to get our hands

on them and drive them and see what they were like.

So I'm burning up all the profit I might even not make on prepping the car for sale.

So I got cleaning backs of wheels.

Somebody was talking about removing wheels to clean the inside of the wheel.

That's the way I did that was it has had all the wheels refinished.

Yeah.

That's really got them cleaned.

And then some paperwork on the front bumper did just got the text today that the I went

to Randy's interior guy and got the headliner done.

So next up is I got to put the Alcantara steering wheel back on because the first thing

you pulled it, I pulled it off because it was deteriorating for that.

So I sent it off to get recovered.

Oh, my gosh.

So the buy of the month is going.

I'm spending all the money so you don't have to.

So that we'll go back on and then I get some other interior trim pieces.

I got to replace because my kids broke them just getting in and out of the car.

You told me when I bought my E46, I was like so worried about buying something

that was too nice and you said just do it and just destroy.

Yeah.

So all those plastic bits are getting to get replaced.

Then I got to get a detailed photograph.

I'm going to not I've decided not photograph it myself.

Whoa, back.

That's a big step.

I purposely just realized that I just don't have the time for it.

And I kind of want to experience the aspect of hiring someone,

which I've never done before 100%.

So having someone else, I haven't decided who it's going to be yet.

There's I've got a few great options here in the Bay Area.

But do you want to be the pro photographer that shoots Beck's car

and Beck gets to judge your photos standing behind them?

He's like, I wouldn't do that.

You've shot how many cars and you know the whole Rolodex of photographers.

You are a very kind individual, but still man, if I was taking pictures

and then Beck was going to look at them, I'd be terrified.

Literally today.

I was thinking about how I needed to print out the shot list

so that I could stand like over their shoulder and check it off.

Oh, my God.

Oh, brutal.

I love it.

So look good though.

Carl, look good.

Carl, we'll look good.

I'm excited for that.

So that's awesome.

Well, you're shooting for October sometimes at your plan.

Yeah.

I was probably early October killer.

How many miles on that car?

Well, 120.

Okay.

What do we call that?

Mid mileage these days on an E46, it could be.

It's kind of middle mileage.

Yeah.

Okay, cool.

Mid mileage.

It's a clean car though.

Cool.

Yeah, be great.

It's the right amount of mileage that everything's had to have been done.

That's right.

That's where you want to get it.

That's where you want to go.

Before it all needs to be done again.

Randy, any car news for you?

Who's, is that Huff's NK downstairs?

We've got an NK on display in the office.

It's got nice looking stance and nice wheels.

It's got a Huff look to it.

Yeah, that's the red stripe car.

That car ran the Monterey Historix back when it was called that.

Back in the nineties, I believe.

He has a picture of that car in the corkscrew.

Oh, I didn't know that.

It has no roll bar now.

It sort of streets back now.

You don't run it at Monterey.

It's so great.

Drive it in off the paddock.

No, just sort of a little hot rod NK amongst our podcast guest and neighbor Jim Huff's NK collection.

I don't have as cool of stuff to talk about as Beck.

Not too many crazy car stories lately.

Just sort of driving around in my old stuff and keeping it running and keeping the tires around.

If I can, got to get the Chrysler back on the road.

Hell, yes.

Sitting for a little bit.

Yeah.

Yes.

There's always something sitting that's like nagging, you know?

There's a few of them that are running.

I'd love to celebrate that, but there's always one or two that are sort of a thorn.

I was driving the 912 around a lot back as you may have seen and it's finally leaking now.

Randy was like, how do you have a Porsche?

A cool Porsche that doesn't leak and I was so proud of it.

And now it's leaking quite badly in my garage.

I just noticed it the other day and I think, but I think it's the gearbox, not the motor,

but still, I got to figure that out.

I was like, God, this car is so reliable.

I could just use this all the time and it's already, if there's a problem.

Yeah.

That's normal.

It's a feature.

It's not a problem.

Just keep filling it back up.

No, on a four cylinder Porsche engine.

But when I was driving it quite a bit, I don't know if I told you this back, I was losing

the brakes and I was like, I wonder if this thing's like the pedals just going softer

and softer and out of the floor.

I was like, I wonder if there's no brake fluid in this thing.

So I pulled over the reservoir.

It was totally empty.

Nice.

They did a little at the Chevron station, bought a bottle of brake fluid, filled it up, pumped

it up, came back to life.

I haven't done anything.

Who knows what the bubbles in the lines are like.

Doesn't matter.

Brakes work.

Brakes work fine.

You're just driving it around.

Correct.

That's a nice fix.

With my children.

What a fix.

Nice fix.

It was.

It was a hot fix.

Per the instruction manual.

Have you ever lost brakes before?

Oh gosh.

Yes.

There's some stories about that.

Anyway, I've driven old cars for a long time as just my regular car all through school,

age, high school, college, after.

What's the gnarliest?

I mean, knock on wood.

I'm driving home today.

I hope the brakes are going to be fine.

But yeah, the gnarliest, I was driving to high school in a 66 Mustang fastback.

Awesome car, man.

I love that car red.

Want to be, shall be, clone.

And there's a line at a four-way stop right outside the high school.

And there's probably three cars in each direction.

It's like 10 minutes before school starts, right?

There's kind of a queue.

And I'm coming up this deal up to the line in front of me and I hit the brakes.

And there was nothing.

And I was like, oh, okay.

So you dodge the people in front of you and make a run the stop sign right-hand turn.

I mean, obviously that could be terrible.

What do you do?

You downshift and you get it into first however you must.

And I remember that very distinctly because I went right around that corner and was hoping

there was going to be no bicyclists or whatever.

And I parked it right there and then I pumped it and I got some pressure back enough to

pull it in the parking lot and go to class.

But coming in at, you know, 45 in a 35 zone, there was nothing.

Like, yeah.

Anyway, so that experience I remember, I also had a 75 cruiser before that.

75 was the last year of all four-wheel drum brakes on a cruiser.

They got disc brakes in the front in 76, which I never had in that truck.

And it had a 327 Corvette engine in it.

So it would go, but it wouldn't stop.

And I thought it was normal that all cruisers needed two pumps on the brakes to stop you.

Like, that's how you break that truck.

You'd hit once on an initial and then go.

Yeah.

So it was always a double, but that's just what you needed to do.

And I don't know if my dad's going to be thrilled that I share this story.

But I came ripping into the driveway.

We had an L-shaped driveway and a two-car garage back when old houses had garages that slid.

Only one could be open at a time because the big heavy doors went left-right.

So I was the impetus for getting a new garage door that went up

because I came ripping in like a little too hot into our own driveway, which is not long.

It's 30 feet long.

I mean, it's two cars long and pulled in like I was going to park in front of the driveway,

but I didn't double pump fast enough and I hit the garage door,

which there's not a lot of excuses like it.

I was just like, it jumped out in front of me.

I hit the house.

I ran the truck into the house and I kind of, I didn't totally like waste it,

but I got like a pump and a half and I needed two.

And so the front bumper on an FJ-40 is like a battering ram, right?

And it kind of knocked the garage off its track and whatever else and kind of cracked the wood door.

And I was like, so I got to explain that one to my dad.

So have I ever lost brakes?

Anyway, I got a couple stories.

Thankfully, no humans were in front of the vehicles and I kind of did damage control the best that I could

and didn't cause anything too badly, but we got a new garage door out of it.

Great. It's a win for the family.

How about you, Beck? Have you lost brakes?

I have. In my 2002 TII, I was shepherding my now wife, then girlfriend and her cousin and her fiance on a tour of San Francisco.

Four people in the 2002. All four of us in the TII.

This is the worst time.

I never had an audience in the moment.

I had to explain it to some people, but I never had like a person in the car. Wow.

I was fully loaded and I had a little route that I would do whenever I was showing off the city to people.

And we were in pack heights, which if you don't know, Pacific Heights, you can tell by the name of it.

It's a big giant hill and looking over the marina and I was at the top of I was like on Broadway, like passing Octavia.

This is like where they filmed bullet.

Oh my gosh.

And I'm going sort of laterally along the hillside, like not up or down.

And I'm about to turn right down going down the hill.

And as I'm approaching the stop sign, I press the brake pedal and it becomes ever so slightly soft.

I'm like, that's just not how it was the last time. That doesn't feel right.

I looked down the hill. I thought probably would be fine.

But I thought I'll give it one more street.

So I went straight one more block and like the percentage drop in pressure dropped like noticeably in brake pedal.

It went like halfway down without anything happening.

And so then I realized no more.

Don't take a right.

Bottom hinge pedals.

And it was kind of mushing at the top.

I still had pressure, but it was like not feeling comfortable, you know, discs in the front, drums in the rear.

So it's a pretty decent bike.

So reservoir is empty and you blew out some seals and there's nothing in it.

Yeah. So it's basically, I think what happened was later, the O-ring on the master cylinder basically had failed and food was leaking to the backside.

Okay.

And so I went another block, another block, but it's starting to get the point where like the pedals, after two, three blocks, pedals on the floor.

Nice.

Nothing for me.

Nice. And you're at the top of a hill still sort of.

So I very strategically like knowing like the topography from there to the Richmond district just drove the entire way home with just the handbrake.

Oh, wow.

And just made it all the way through down California.

Did you tell this to anyone in the car or you were silent? Did you stomp that whole thing?

I told them that something wasn't working very well.

And we need to, we should just go home.

Something that remains nameless.

And as I know from my youthful experiences, people love riding in an old car. They feel really safe to begin with.

Some do, some don't.

No, I was, I'm joking.

Why are we in this?

Correct.

They liked the first initial experience of getting in the car.

This is exciting.

And then after a few blocks and the smell of the gasoline, they were like, this is sort of done.

Backseat of an O2.

I don't know if you've driven around the backseat of an O2, but yeah, you're kind of camping out in there.

So we got back all the way to my dad's house, parked there, got into my then girlfriend's 2003 Toyota Corolla and continued the rest of the tour.

Yep.

With fully functioning brakes.

Wow.

That's like a near incident scenario.

If you had turned right, I mean, you're in first gear, you press it, going down pack heights and like nothing happened.

I can't even imagine, dude.

I mean, that's, that is like the bullet chase scene where he goes around the corner and the hubcaps fly off the car.

And all of those streets are so sketchy because it's four-way stop.

So if you blow one of the intersections, like it's like T-bone city.

Yes, totally.

Right down onto.

I'm very glad that ended up so well.

Right down onto Lombard, six lanes of traffic.

You didn't have a garage door to slow you down the rest of the way.

Like I did.

Actually, this is good cautionary tale.

I felt the brake pedal getting soft on the 9-12 and I just kind of kept driving it.

So I was 42 years old.

That's what he said.

I was like, man, have you ever just done that?

No, I've lost brakes tons of times.

But like Randy, usually on my, I mean, I used to work on crappy old Volkswagen.

So like, there were lots of cars that were just normal.

I've also clutches too.

Like there's lots of clutches.

Territory too.

Because that's a slow.

So it was like pretty flat.

Certainly nothing like four people.

I would be scared about stopping an O2 on those hills with fully functional brakes.

With good brakes and four people.

Totally.

I'd have my hand on the brake.

For sure.

Totally.

I loved going like from a standing start on a hill, going up just demonstrating dominance

of just how good I could get the going.

I'd love that.

On a very early date, date with my wife, I was at my S2000 and I was racing back then.

I was so cocky and we were going the opposite direction of you up to visit arrow up towards

the top of pack heights from down in the marina.

And I was like, God, none of these people would be able to do this in a stick.

And I'm, you know, I'm hill starting without using the e-brake or anything, right?

In traffic.

And then of course, next intersection, I stall it.

First time I've probably ever stalled the car, right?

That's what hubris gets you.

With an audience.

With my then girlfriend, now wife.

After talking.

Yep.

Was it started with watch this?

Totally.

And that car has the, you know, the push starters.

It's kind of a whole ordeal anyway.

Speaking of comfort, no brakes, Randy.

I've been considering and pondering back.

I want to apologize to you ahead of time for hot rod talk.

I've been considering what level of hot rod you need to do a lot of driving.

You and I were just talking about Route 66.

How much brakes does one need to do 2000 miles in a hot rod?

I don't care about the no AC, but like a long drive.

I've got a lot of cars that won't do 2000 miles.

I know.

Man, there's a lot of hot rods that are out there that you see for sale that are like

11, five that are like 80, 800.

And they're really pretty ratty, but they run it and drive in air quotes.

So I mean, you could did kind of depends on your level of wanting to repair it on the fly.

You're, I mean, how wonderful you want it to be.

Do you want it to be a 32 Ford or do you want it to be a 29 Olds?

You know what I mean?

Totally.

Like you can, you can scrape your way into some interesting stuff.

Hydraulic brakes, I think are a minimum.

I don't think I would want to do 2000 miles with cables.

Yeah.

That's probably true.

Unless you want to, that's bear cat.

What kind of breaks do you have?

That stuff was so good.

Did you see that back?

That was my car.

Oh, that was white glove.

So anyway, this is not a hot rod, but did you see this car?

Oh, 39 coupe.

39 deluxe.

We've been talking about 39 Ford coupes.

It's got spats.

It's got faux patina paint, which I don't love, but it's only at eight grand right now.

It's no reserve.

Rebuilt 221.

Overdrive or no.

Just a three-speed.

No, but I think I'd put a Columbia rear end in it.

I think Columbia, this has hydraulic brakes, but I think you could drive this far.

You could.

I like those cars.

I do too.

You and I have been talking about 30 years.

No spats.

Did you call them spats?

Yeah.

Spats.

So that's like a Jag turn.

That's what I called on XK 120.

Do you call it that on an American car?

Are they spats?

I thought that was a generic term.

I thought it was generic.

Is that a U.S. term or like what British people call spats?

What do you call a fairing or just a wheel fairing?

No, I call it spats on a jet.

I don't know what I would even call it on a Ford.

What would you call it?

Spats.

I think that's probably right.

Oh, they, I'm sure they're removable.

Yeah.

Oh, they definitely are.

Let's see what we call them.

What did we call them in the listing?

Skirts.

Skirts is the right name.

That's right.

That's what those are called.

That's right.

On like a lead sled or something.

On an American car.

That's the American term.

Spats is the Brit term.

So that's, I think that car is super cool.

I mean, we were talking about 40 coupes.

Yep.

39 is remarkably the same.

But you know, I love that big swan neck shifter instead of that on the tree.

It's got that big long floor shifter, which I love.

All of it is great.

Yeah.

Favorite page of the Haynes manual was always the American English to UK English conversion.

Is that uniform in all of them?

Or is that specific to the type of vehicle?

Good question.

I had to boot to trunk.

That's what you're talking about.

Yeah.

To bonnet.

Sure.

And what I would imagine.

Wings instead of vendors.

That would be one of them, right?

Yeah.

Spats to skirts.

What are some other ones?

Do you have it pulled up?

Oh, Randy.

That's a tasty customer.

A 54 custom deluxe club coupe with a modern V8 in it.

But a gold paint job.

That looks pretty strong.

I'm not opposed to that one.

And then we just launched a 50 Merc convertible that I'm digging into.

Is that the one that has a big motor on it?

No, but they're claiming it was in the grease movie in 78.

But the grease movie in 78 was in the race and it was flamed.

It had flames on it.

So it's a scene making model.

I don't know if the flames were removed.

Is it that car?

We don't claim it's that car.

We don't claim it's that car because it may not be that car, but it was just in the movie.

But I'm trying to figure out which car.

Anyway, I started diving into.

Oh, look, they took it in front of the Pixar.

The photos in front of Pixar.

Anyway, awesome car.

Regardless of what it was in or where it was in.

But yeah, the movie claim is interesting on that one.

I think that's worth digging into.

Anyway, these types of cars, there's stuff out there, man.

15 to 27 grand with flatheads in them and good looking.

And you could go drive at 2000 miles.

No problem.

You may need to be patient.

No, no overdrive or a banjo rear or whatever.

Just go drive it around.

If it'll do 70, I'm fine.

The cord will do 70.

So like, you know, I grew up in FJ 60 recently that topped out at 63 miles an hour.

So I hadn't driven a slow freeway car in a while.

I'm trying to think of.

Didn't you see the Cortina?

The Cortina buzzes, but you can rip that up to 80 if you need to.

And then you feel, I mean, it'll, you wouldn't do it for 2000 miles, but you can do it for

a while.

But I was in a car where, yeah, you couldn't, you couldn't get to 70.

Crazy.

And that's just a, I mean, that's like probably a lot of these cars, right?

Like you're just like, okay, this is a 55 car.

And then feeling what that's like in modern traffic is tricky.

You're like noticeably staying where I guess.

And you're breaking early.

Well, you've, yeah.

I mean, different cars would handle that differently, but just from a power and velocity standpoint,

you're like, okay, there's a semi in the slow lane up here, like what I'm going to do.

There's a lot of like thought cycles of, okay, all these people are merging, but I'm not

fast enough to go in the number two lane.

So what am I going to do?

So anyway, that you think about that stuff, but it's all manageable.

I mean, there's most Cooke's driving around in a modern EV or whatever going 85.

And you just got to figure out how to, how to slot in here or there.

So anyway, I think it's manageable, dude.

I think you should go drive 2000 miles.

I think it's an excuse to get off the interstate one and two, there's like a, the thing that's

appealing to me a lot right now, this is after Auburn and driving the court.

It's just that to your point, Randy, there's a mentality you sink into when you drive a

car like that.

I could use some relaxation in my life, right?

Like, you know, shift at 2000 RPM.

You're not in a hurry.

Your arms out the window, because there's no air conditioning in the cord.

When it gets hot, you crank out the front windscreens, all those little things that

are kind of dead to a modern, even somebody who drives a car from the 60s and 70s.

Like there's a, you know, you're putting your brain back in a space that people don't

have to do very often.

I had to do that a little bit in my car, McGeah, back in the day, which was real slow.

You make a good point of almost the joy of driving a car that is pre-interstate is that

it incentivizes you to drive not on the interstate.

Right.

That's it.

Where are we going?

No.

Where are we going from here?

I can't stop thinking about it.

Go drive to Kotadi.

Like, where, where are you?

I mean, like, think about those, all those rallies you and I have done where it's mainly

stays off the interstate and you could get across.

I mean, there's people who go across.

You got some dream of going and driving like, say you had a rod parked outside with a two

speed rear end and all that stuff you're talking about, like, where are you going?

I'd want to get to SoCal first, drive around SoCal, but I'd want to go like, you can drive

down the 33, right, which is parallel to the five, but it's two lane and through the

oil wells and stuff.

You want to see pinnacles?

Hanford, all that stuff.

Like my dad was a deputy TA in Hanford in Kings County in the seventies.

Right.

Yeah.

So do that kind of stuff.

And I was watching David Fryburger and he went and drove on the old road.

I can't remember the name of it, but it was the highway that would have taken you from

the San Fernando Valley to El Mirage back in the day.

And a lot of the old gas stations and restaurants are still there.

Some of them are open, some of them aren't, but these old stone buildings from the

twenties with like S.O. signs out in front.

And like, let's go get one of those.

I know, but like, let's do that drive.

And you can do that all the way to, probably to Arizona is what I want to do.

Go to Kingman and all those places.

Right.

Route 66.

OK, this is great.

I know.

OK, I like all of this.

39, 39 Ford would be good.

We need some old cars to go do it.

Totally, totally.

That has no appeal to you right back.

That's too old for you.

I'm sure there be enjoyable elements for it.

What's the oldest car you've driven?

Oh, gosh, 64, 356.

There you go.

Yeah, that's a good answer.

What's your answer on that?

A cord, cord is 36.

It's the oldest I've driven.

That's like two generations before me.

Yeah, I've only driven a few fifties cars.

I mean, I drove Randy's car a little bit, but that car feels a lot more.

That car is like pretty drivable.

What's that?

The Chrysler, the 300.

My dad had a 31 Lowboy Roadster.

So that's your oldest.

That's I think that's the oldest I've ever ridden.

I would love to try to drive a T, right?

Like something with non-conventional controls.

That'd be fun for sure.

I think that would be interesting.

I want to talk about site results, but I also want to hit you guys with questions of the week.

Where should we go?

Let's hit a few site results, because there's been really good ones.

Hit like the top three crazy 904 we talked about last time.

And I got to say it, you know, 2.375 on that car, loved that car.

Million US dollars just for the audience, so they know what 2.375 means.

Yes, it's that crazy, crazy amount.

Beat out the 910 by a factor of two.

Yes, that's right.

Amazing.

My desire for a 904 is 10X, 10.

Same for me.

100 percent, 100 percent.

It's my it's maybe my favorite Porsche.

It's I just love them so much.

I have no chance of fitting in one.

So yeah, you're done.

I do love them.

There's 910.

Some of them you can pop the roof off of, right?

Yeah, there's some open top ones.

Magnum, Magnum PI stuff.

Yeah, that's tough.

You don't look cool when your head's sticking out of the top of the car.

I think you do, but it's crazy dangerous, though, right?

You probably would have fit in the Carrera GTE that was part of that same

collection from Cereo and Brode Scholars.

That car did almost two million.

That was great.

And then the other one, I think we talked about this last time already,

but that Tatra in Europe.

Did it sell?

Yeah, 302,000 euros.

Is that right?

Yes.

Big Germany sale, our biggest.

No, no, no, we had the crazy BMW 507.

That's correct.

But most expensive Tatra I've ever even heard of, probably, right?

Beautiful car.

Strong lead photo choice going with the rear look,

which is there's only a few cars out there where the rear cells.

Rear three-quarter is lead is best angle.

Right.

That's interesting.

There's very few.

Incredible on that.

Any other highlights, Beck, that you want to hit anything from Wycliffe?

Wycliffe has been kind of on a tear.

Well, you had speaking of hot rods.

You had maybe my favorite hot rod we've ever had,

which was a great Wycliffe result.

Roland was helping people what Wycliffe is for people who don't know.

Sure.

Wycliffe is a level of service where we will handle as much as possible

that we can do internally here.

So we're going to be sending you out a photographer.

We're going to do some enhanced marketing and an individual will have

phone availability and hold your hand throughout the entire process.

But you retain the car.

There's no commission.

It's just a flat listing fee, just like everything else on BAT.

So we had a hot rod that Roland listed for a customer.

There's a Model A Wade Coop was its name that Alex almost quit his job

so that he could do the white, the white super chopped hot rod that we put on the site.

32 rails, five window body.

What's that?

I mean, yeah.

392 stroke to 460 cubic inches with eight Strombergs.

Rockcrusher. That was what?

That was a hundred grand car.

Hundred grand sold.

Ninety eight, five kind of a bargain, I think.

Other than that, I mean, we had a bar.

I mean, that that build is incredible.

I love that.

We've had some great sort of late model heavy hitters, LFA, GT3RS for a 92

Dakar that's sold as well, but probably the ones that was most exciting.

We had a string of 300 cells.

Oh, that's right.

Two Goldwings and a Roadster.

And we did two out of three of those sold.

So that was a great little run there.

That for whatever reason, I mean, 300 cells of all the 50s cars.

That's the one that is sustaining really, really well.

So I'm glad that they came through White Glove.

They saved a ton of dough by not going through a broker.

So that's nice.

And for those listeners who don't know, Beck is in charge of our White Cliff Department too.

That's why we're asking him to describe it.

He knows the bars.

Great stuff, man.

It's been a big year for you guys.

It's been good.

It's interesting.

Our sale rate is insane now.

We're going to be at 95.

Is that right?

95 percent of them sell.

80 percent well above average.

95 for this past month, 91 for last month.

Why is that?

I didn't think we were being too hard on reserves, but I don't know.

I'm thinking that we've got a little base level of sort of standard of presentation

that makes sure that the cars are our biggest goal is that honestly,

that you as a seller don't have to do a lot of work while your cars lie.

Because we get it that you're alternatively handed over with the keys to someone else.

And so we want to make sure that the presentation is as thorough as possible.

And then additionally, I think the big one is going to be advising the sellers

while their auction is live.

I think so much of the stress just comes from,

how do I respond to these questions?

And if you're just new to social media in general,

which a lot of our customers are,

having someone in-house who's done this thousands of times who can say,

let's say it this way or let's not say that could just help protect you.

I think a lot of the time.

So yeah, it's been interesting.

A lot of the numbers are up, but the main one that's really surprising is sale rate.

Well done, dude.

Couldn't agree more on what a good job you guys do coaching folks through.

Thank you.

That's a honest to God plug for white glove service.

One thing I want to hit before we dive into questions of the week is,

I don't know if you guys saw this,

we had a little post go up this morning because three of our top sellers just

crested the 2000 listing mark.

Did we high five them?

So yeah.

So Anthony Sarah, 600 Veloce, I should say,

because it's a whole team.

Shout out to Diane and everybody else.

And then also 911R, Matt Crandall, Josh, Amy.

And then also Rob Dietz, Wob.

Two of them have crested 2000 and Rob's just about to hit it.

So we put up a little post, we asked them a bunch of questions.

There's some cool stuff in there.

And we really like all three of those sellers.

And they've been around BAT for a long time.

They've been early champions of the site.

So another three people who really know how to do it.

Well, who are eating white gloves of lunch, right?

Two thousand.

I love this emblem though.

Isn't that cool?

Who made this economy?

Uh-huh.

Fantastic.

Good job, Kyle.

Yeah, that is cool.

Yeah.

Anyway, a couple of people put some hard work into that.

Shout out to Ben, our colleague, Ben, too,

who asked all the questions and worked on that.

But cool piece.

Folks should check it out.

All three of those folks know how to do it,

almost as well as back.

All right, you guys ready for me to hit you

with a few questions of the week?

I've got some good ones for you.

These are actually apropos of a lot of the topics

that we've been discussing here.

So let me start with this one, Randy.

We're talking about hot rods on road trips.

Favorite road trip stop.

So people are talking about wall drug

and all these kinds of places.

Easy answer for me.

The thing came up to the top of my head.

It was in and out.

That's like where I always stop when I can.

Any exit.

Canning it out.

Yeah, totally.

Cochrane Road and Morgan Hill.

Those are all over the country now, man.

You have a lot more flexibility.

That used to be, oh, yeah, they're in Idaho for sure.

But I mean, my sisters used to go on this trip

to Southern California.

And that was the only place you could get it.

And they'd come back with like legend and stories

about like, I stopped it in and out.

And I was like, we're in North Carolina.

We don't have that.

And then in high school, we got it.

And now it's all over the place.

First of all, for some framing,

these questions were already asked on the website

to the entire community,

but we're circling back and hitting with our answers.

That's right.

I wanted to get your guys' perspective

on questions of the week.

I kind of combed through and found some ones I like.

We've done this a couple of times in the past,

but I like to hit you guys with these things too.

I don't know, man.

You're going to jump in there.

You jump in by me some time.

I'm thinking of my favorite book.

Yeah, you need to think.

I have a vamp a little bit.

A great one that I've always enjoyed

and I kind of probably put too much on sort of a pedestal

because I was there with my dad was the Hotel Nevada

and Ely Nevada.

It's on Highway 15.

Which I always call Eli, but you corrected me.

It's Ely.

Ely like completely.

That's what they say.

I've driven across country well over a dozen times

and did it once or twice with my father.

And we took the Highway 50,

which is the loneliest road in the U.S., as it's called.

And the Hotel Nevada, every room is sort of named

after a pre-Interstate era entertainer

who would have driven through Ely on their way to Vegas.

And so they would have stayed there

and probably performed there or maybe something like that.

And so a lot of them are named after all those people.

And then down in the basement is the gambling area

where there's slot machines and the lobby floor.

But all the tables are downstairs.

And when you check in at the Hotel Nevada,

this is 15 years ago.

So I don't know if that's the case.

You'd get two tokens.

One was for a free margarita.

And one was for bet one, get one free.

So if you bet a dollar, they'll match you with an extra dollar.

So my dad and I would go to the bar.

We get our free margarita,

which comes out of a slushy machine,

into a plastic cup that's about one-third the size

of what you're thinking I'm describing.

And then we walked downstairs and went to the card table.

And my dad killed it at Blackjack.

We're not like card people at all.

But he earned enough to basically pay for our rooms.

And then he continued to talk about how proud he was of himself

as we drove along.

Way to go, dad.

Totally.

Hotel Nevada.

Man, that's a great one.

I mean, part of what excites me about that,

and this whole thing is we were just talking about Route 66.

So like, you know, stone dinosaurs, old things.

Kingman, again, has like these old saloons.

Some of them have a hotel with a few rooms above them, right?

And some of them are restored.

Some of them are pretty crusty still.

I love that kind of stuff.

Highway 50 is fantastic.

It's got a lot of twisty bits that is what I would think Route 66 looks like.

Very similar topography, but a lot of like old gas stations

with the signage out front and vintage stuff and all.

But I've never done Route 66, so someday though.

So I'm going to say I love like historic markers next to roads.

So there's a drive that I've done numerous times,

which I love, which is from Salmon, Idaho, directly north into Montana.

You can drive into Missoula that way over a big pass.

And Idaho and Montana both do like proper sized signage on the side of the road.

And it's broadside.

You can't see it if you're driving by.

You got to stop to read it because it's parallel to the pavement.

So you can't like try to read it as you zoom by.

You won't be able to read it.

And you can't see it like a billboard from miles away.

So it forces you to pull off and look at these.

And these are at big scenic view areas.

This is where Lewis and Clark floated the river.

I mean, all this like major Americana history stuff.

I love all that sort of stuff.

So anytime I get that, California has good ones.

They tend to have one on like a stone.

Oh, you're talking about like flat historical monuments.

Oh, God, I didn't want to ask.

Those are my roadside.

I'm always the dork that wants to pull over and be like,

what happened here 300 years ago?

Or whatever's going on or what's that mountain called or whatever.

So I love any rural route, particularly when it's a little bit,

like you're not going to that often pull off like interstate 80

to see one of those.

But when you're on a two lane mountain road,

like it's got something interesting to say.

And I love the big, these ones in Idaho in particular,

all over Idaho are these huge,

it must be like a four by eight sheet of plywood size, right?

And it's just got this like saga of what happens here, right?

And it's just super cool.

And it'll tell you about the river,

it'll tell you about the mountains,

or it'll tell you about the tribe that used to be there.

It'll tell you about whatever happened in that accident,

you know, like in the Avalanche of 1780.

This is where they all ate each other.

It's totally a total daughter party north.

So anyway, I love that sort of stuff and count me anywhere.

Like in Arizona, I remember driving past those

and I'm just, I'm keen to give the overheating car a break

and pull over at one of those and chill out

and pull something out of the cooler and read and check it out.

It also means you're not in a rush,

like which is another nice thing like,

so I drove across Highway 51 time

and there were those markers all the way across

and I was by myself.

No one else would indulge.

Nobody else will do it.

I stopped at everyone.

And what it turns out was it was a stagecoach route.

So this was like, there was a stage house here

and sometimes there'd be the little foundation.

It's like in 1857, everyone died, like whatever, you know?

And I loved every single one of them.

And you're right.

Sometimes it's like that mountain 20 miles away from here

had this mine at it.

So you're not even close to it,

but they want the driver to stop it.

You remember Elkhart Lake?

Like all the signs and the turns and the thing in town.

So cool.

This saloon is where these guys sat out

and drew up the plans for road America or whatever.

So this was the old turn nine.

All that stuff.

Like that's my favorite stuff on any,

like tripping across that sense is really cool.

My dad, when I was a kid, had a book

that had every California historical monument marker

listed in it.

This was from the 80s.

And there are thousands of them.

And some of them are remote, but a lot of them weren't.

And we used to carry that because we were in the car a lot

and we'd try to stop at ones that were interesting,

train stuff and anything that was interesting.

I always loved how a lot of those rural towns

also would have the initials for the town

in like white stone on a mountain in the background.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Like the high school kids put up.

For sure.

Yeah.

Like some sort of like town project at some point.

And that you can see from far away.

And it's like nowhere even near the town

because it has to be that far away.

That's also the western version of that

because that'd be on a water tower anywhere.

It's for sure.

That's the point.

In the mountains, you scribe it in the stone in Utah and west.

It is the natural version of the water.

It's a water tower.

You don't need a water tower, but you've got your reservoir

higher than your town.

Totally.

But in Indiana, you can't do that.

Totally.

That was always something novel about traveling to Texas

and stuff is seeing water towers.

We never have water towers out here.

So seeing that is always fun.

I would actually love, Randy, we were talking about

where to drive.

I would love to travel more around the Midwest too

because I love the little town with one little block

of Main Street, a water tower, one little diner,

one little bar.

Those are some of my favorite towns.

The American version of the little rolling countryside

French town with one chapel.

That's out here too, dude.

That's out here too.

I mean, that's all over the place.

You just got to go look.

I mean, there's none of those in the Bay Area.

That's for sure.

There's, I mean, or LA basin, but it all used to be that.

Yeah, that's right.

So you can go hunting for it a little bit.

All right.

We talked about brake disasters.

So here's another appropriate one.

I have a good one for this one.

Best oil change disaster story.

Have you guys ever had an oil change disaster?

I saw this question on the site and had to think a little bit.

Oil change disaster.

So I am a merit badge instructor for automotive maintenance

merit badge.

Ooh.

And so I would have my scouts,

like the oldest ones who wanted to do it,

they could sign up for it.

They'd come into my house and we would do basically a full day.

So the first half of the day is just instruction.

Later half the day, we learned how to jack up the car,

take off the wheels, and they'd change my oil.

And it was a great process.

There was definitely a, we had a father who,

he might actually be listening right now.

He volunteered his mini Cooper that he had just bought.

And I think as we lifted up,

we realized there was a decent amount of rust on the other side

that he may not have known about.

So that was sort of like a discovery as part of that oil change.

But it was always super fun and interesting.

And I think the best part was these,

you know, city kids who they would always bring up the car

that they had driven their end and be,

and ask like, can you point out the things

that you've been talking about on this car?

And it would be like a Camry hybrid.

I'm like, I don't know where these things are.

So it was always tough.

Like we couldn't always relate it to what was really sort of

meaningful to them in their day to day,

but they just loved learning about the stuff.

So I think doing oil changes on 9-11s

is also kind of always a little bit of a stressor.

Filling them up.

Filling them up and then also the gauge.

And is it hot or is it cold?

Or how do you measure it?

Oh man, I didn't like that.

I did that once.

And where you take the oil filter off,

there's a little shelf and it's just going to spew down.

I did one of those.

I think I'm done.

What a terrible design.

Another tough one with that is you realize halfway through,

it's pouring out that your container is nowhere near large enough

for the amount of oil it's coming out.

Oh yeah, there's so much oil.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So yeah, that as well.

I don't know if I have a good, yours is going to be great.

I was going to say, I mean, I think overfilling,

right?

Like losing track and overfilling and being like,

oh, now I got to dump all this good oil out.

There's no way to get it out.

I think that was probably about as bad as it's got to be.

The beautiful amber colored oil.

Totally.

Okay, so mine's related to that.

I was a young mechanic.

I was probably 19 or 20.

And I'm pretty sure,

I was trying to rack my brain about the car.

I'm pretty sure it was an E24 635.

But it was, if you've ever done an oil change on an M30,

that's why I'm pretty sure they're in a canister.

So it's an oil canister that fits inside a big metal can.

And a big long cartridge filter, and there's a big long bolt

that runs through the middle of the whole thing to hold it on.

And getting that thing in all the way.

It's just a terrible design, right?

And I was a young enough mechanic and I had put it all back together

and I lubed up the ring.

You have to replace the ring on the canister.

And I poured all the new oil in.

And I was starting it still up on the rack to get it running.

And I had somehow cross-threaded the canister wasn't seated.

And so my boss comes running out of his office,

what are you doing?

Stop, stop.

And I look underneath and all the brand new amber oil.

And if you've ever spilled a fluid,

it looks like way more when it's on them.

Those cars take five or six quarts.

It was all on them.

Luckily, I didn't grenade the motor or anything.

But Alex Porter.

Totally.

He'll never work in this garage again.

Because you know, you started out and you run it for like 30 seconds

and then you check it, right?

To give it a little bit of heat.

That's like, I was going through all the procedures

I'd been taught in auto shop.

Not realizing the car was pumping all the oil out

onto the floor underneath.

Because I don't know, you don't instinctively look at that.

And nowadays, it's more complicated

because there's things underneath the car.

You always have to take off the tray

before you can get to the thing.

But anyway, pretty horrifying.

I can still remember.

I can still see it all in my head.

Had you sop all that up?

Was that like 80 rolls of brawny?

Or was that like kitty litter?

We didn't use kitty litter.

So yeah, I probably use paper towels.

Mainly the main thing we use were those blue shop rats.

Mission linen would bring in a new, you know,

100,000 of them every week.

So probably stopping up with those forever.

And then you feel so bad, you know,

because it was 30 bucks of oil.

But that was a lot when I was a 19 year old.

You got to put another 30 bucks worth of oil

and do it all again.

Anyway, I never made that mistake again.

Little Castro GTX on the floor.

100% what it was.

2050 Castro GTX.

We had the big, huge distribution machine

that pumped it in.

Yeah, totally.

Oh yeah.

Put that in a lot of 3.2, 9-11s, man.

That stuff's not cheap anymore.

That was cheap back then.

All right.

Let me hit you guys with one more

because there was a good one that I was saving.

It's the most recent one and it's really good.

What is the car that is better with an automatic?

I actually had a really hard time with this one.

I didn't read the answers.

I wish I had because I'd have something good for you.

I came up with a couple of good ones.

What if it doesn't even offer a manual?

That's disqualified.

It has to be offered with both and you choose auto?

No, I think because a lot of people are like,

oh, manual swap that.

That's the only thing wrong with it, right?

But I don't.

Sorry, I did a voice there.

The one that after I thought about it for a long time

and it again goes back to my mechanic days,

I think the 928 is better with an automatic.

It's a big Mercedes.

I know that's controversial,

but it's like a big Mercedes-esque car

and you don't actually really want to shift with that car.

Who makes the auto in a 928 auto?

Is that like a German, like a ZF?

I'm sure it's a ZF product.

They're not psychopaths like the Ferrari 412

and put a GM automatic.

No, I don't think so.

Although the early ones are a three-speed,

the Ferraris had a GM.

It was a freaking turbo hydro, wasn't it?

In a Ferrari?

I'm almost positive.

That's correct.

But like big cruiser cars like that are what I think of, right?

Probably again, a lot of people would tell me I'm crazy,

but like, does the 500E really need the 124-500E of six-speed?

I don't know.

Do they even have it?

No, no, no.

You'd have to swap it.

Yeah, I'm not swapping that.

Trying to think of something offered with a stick,

but you'd rather take the auto.

Would you want your 300B with that weird French manual transmission?

Well, no.

Right.

In no way.

Right.

Yeah, but that's, man, that's a pretty deep cut.

I mean, a push-button auto is incredible.

So sick.

It's not half the reason you buy the car, but...

Half the reason.

This push-button is so cool.

It's so choice.

Man, I'm flailing a little bit.

I'm going to pull up the story on the site

and see what everybody else said.

There's good answers in there.

Bex, did anything come to your mind off the top of your head?

Because both of you guys are like me,

like I daily drive a manual transmission.

I love driving a manual transmission,

but I also don't want to be one of those guys who's like...

That's the only possible solution.

I mean, I'm like big trucks.

Like I'm good with auto at this point, right?

And I love swapping V8s into FJ60s,

and I did that with a stick.

And nowadays, I'd actually probably do an auto.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

And I don't know.

So like truck stuff, I'm totally good with auto.

But...

So that's basically what I was going to play off of.

I can't think of a certain model

where the auto is somehow intrinsically better than...

Sport-o-matic.

I mean, actually, I kind of like driving Sport-o-S.

So the only one...

In general, anything that you're going to like drive

up to the mountains can be so much better with an automatic,

only because inevitably you will be stuck in traffic.

And I have been in my XTERRA, which is an automatic,

behind my buddy who was in his WRX STI, which was a manual.

And we got stuck into like two hours of traffic

trying to get to Tahoe.

And when we finally got to our destination, he couldn't walk.

Like he was genuinely limping and was like struggling.

So I was fine.

I was perfectly comfortable and enjoying myself.

So that's one of those where...

Did that have to do with his coilovers and his full race buckets?

Or did that have to do with his clutch pedal?

He seemed to...

It was only his left leg that was struggling.

So I don't know.

I can't think of the exact model.

That would be the differentiator there.

But I have heard that some people do love the Sport-o-matic.

I've had people try to convince me.

It's kind of hard to drive.

But you still have to shift that one.

That's what's interesting about that one.

Automatic stick shift.

Yeah, auto stick is the Volkswagen version,

which is a three-speed.

It's a four-speed in the Porsche.

I've had people try to argue over the phone.

My guillo is an auto stick originally.

Their reserve should be higher because it's Sport-o-matic.

So we've heard arguments like that before.

So one of the things, Randy,

a lot of people kind of agreed with you in the post bench seat.

Although you could have a three on the tree and still have a bench seat,

but a lot of people were like,

one of the nice things about automatic is you get a nice big bench.

You can slide all the way across.

Somebody mentioned first generation Broncos,

like trucks in general.

One of the funny ones was U-Haul.

Like you don't want to shift your U-Haul truck.

True.

And then Beck, a lot of the discussion turned towards,

what about all these modern, really good automatics,

like PDKs and stuff where people would say they're better?

Well, that's why the GT3 RSs are always just PDK

because they want the latest technology.

Right.

That's what they're arguing,

is that it's faster and better on the track anyway.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anyway, I thought that was an interesting thought experiment.

It gets people thinking.

I was thinking and struggling a little bit.

There's a few interesting options out there.

There sure are.

All right, gents.

Well, thanks for doing that.

Any other parting shots at the end here?

I'm just surfing the BAT app.

As usual.

You're not mapping Route 66 right now?

I will be doing that later.

I heard a rumor it's 100-year anniversary of Route 66 next year.

How sick is that?

Wondering which town we need to go have a little

brusky in along the route.

Somewhere with a screen door on the front of it.

Slamming shut in the dust.

You want it to creak when it opens, all that.

Somebody to walk in with spurs on or what are you talking about?

How western are we going?

There's one gal in the back grilled up burgers.

The AT Alumni Rally that ends at one of those towns?

Hey, dude, if you have ideas for that, I want to hear them.

Only cars older than 1965.

A cable print sounds pretty interesting.

No, no, no, no, no.

No overdrive.

But you mentioned, was that serious where you said Howard Zedd,

the drum brake only rally?

He didn't do it, I don't think.

But I think he may have aspired to do it.

Or maybe he did it.

Pretty sick.

Because what do you, I mean, you can easily do that with a year, right?

Totally.

I mean, when were the first?

Was Porsche the first?

No, they were late.

Who was first disc brakes?

Jack.

Jack was first disc brakes.

That's right.

But not till the E-Type, like 61?

No.

Late, late, late, because they had them on C-Type.

So the late 150s had them.

So you just, all you do is cut it off at 1940 or something.

And it's automatically a drum brake rally.

I mean, 356s are drums all the way to 63.

And I mean, you're Chrysler's drums.

I mean, there's like a lot of interesting cars.

You can drive cool cars back then.

Right, go.

Willwood, the logo for the event is a Willwood with like a slash through it.

Totally.

No upgrade allowed.

Could you get a drum brake 289 Mustang four speed or did that all the 289?

Of course, any non-GT.

Any only disc brakes were a GT option.

So that's interesting.

Any non-GT 65 Mustang.

It was like a big deal that the Shelby's had the GT brakes, right?

Because that was like brand new.

But I mean, dude, a 64-Vet is four-wheel drum.

Amazing.

So drum brake rally is a very good time.

All right.

That's a great name too.

It is.

I have been thinking about it ever since Randy said that it's sick.

All right, boys.

What a treat.

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