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Someone made a last minute trip to the continent. Someone did. Yes.

Got a retro-mobile. There and back again.

This is one of those things that just sort of existed in, you know,

my world of someday and, you know, like Car Week and Amelia Island.

And but this is one I have yet to check off and yet you were just there.

I was. Yes, it came together exceptionally last minute.

And it is. I knew it was a big event,

but really the extent of my knowledge was Instagram, you know,

seeing friends post when they had been in years past.

And same thing. I went, you know, kind of the FOMO was getting more and more

every year when I would see it. Oh, that's right. I really want to go.

So it is a showcase for the classic car sectors, the way they talk about it,

bringing together more than 2000 cars and motorbikes from a huge range.

You know, there were modern. There was a 992 GT3. We saw GT3 RS.

And then Citroën from World War Two.

There was a huge display of those.

And then kind of everything in between motorbikes, bicycles, cars,

you know, miniatures, collectors items.

There were some booths that had books, like, you know,

big displays of car books, memorabilia.

I mean, it's the scale comparable.

No, I mean, the scale was was stunning.

I it's like you remember how big the LA Auto Show,

which is several halls in the convention center.

That's how retro mobile is.

And they had three halls and it's just sort of there is so much.

It's massive. And there's something for everybody.

Huge variety.

And just there isn't there isn't anything like it here,

which is part of the reason they announced while I was there,

that they are bringing it to New York in November.

Oh, really? OK, interesting.

Interesting. It was really fun to be there with that announcement

because they're all really excited to bring it here.

So I have so many questions.

So it's an exhibition.

There's an auction component.

Yes, there's a concor like a judge component.

No, like what like they did.

It seems like everything to everyone.

Yeah, it really was.

I mean, that was, you know, even after just a first a few minutes there,

I went, OK, it's it's a combination of all the events that we have here

that are standalone events, because it reminded me.

I was like, OK, there's there's a little bit of,

you know, there there are elements of car week.

It's a very different venue,

but the classic car element is similar to car week.

And then a little bit of SEMA, a little bit of Porsche Lit Week,

because that's so focused on, you know, the books and collector items

and the, you know, matchbox cars and that kind of thing.

So there's that element.

And then in, you know, a couple of the different halls,

they had they had the live auction that was going on onsite.

One of the auction houses in Europe, Art Curial Motor Cars,

they were the onsite auction company.

And then in that same hall, they also had space for enthusiast clubs.

And of course, I ran across the American muscle car French chapter.

Without even talking, I found them.

Yes, they just drew me in.

And then the club that was across the aisle from them,

a lot of the members were sitting there.

I mean, this was this was the charm of RetroMobil

is they're sitting there at a table having pâté, just,

you know, just enjoying themselves.

I mean, it's it's it has elements of a lot of the different events here,

but with an incredibly European flyer, as you might expect.

And, you know, there were one of the booths had.

There was a there were some musicians, live musicians.

And then they're at one point there were people in, you know,

Retro, you know, turn of the century, almost clothing on old bicycles

riding through the show.

Pickpockets everywhere. Right.

No, it's amazing.

It was it's all indoors.

It's all part of one complex.

So it's not like you're going off site for anything, right?

No, it was just like if you've been to a convention center

and you move between the halls, it was like that was, you know,

a standard experience.

But yeah, I mean, it just was like you have to see it to believe it in a lot of ways.

Yeah, the the outskirts of Paris or in the center of Paris, where it was held.

It's at the Paris Expo Convention Center, which is I was in

I was in a neighborhood in Paris and it was about 25 minutes by Metro.

So it's on the edge of the city, but very easy to get to.

It was I was there for such a short time that it was nice to stay in Paris

because then for dinners and the one day that I took to sort of soak up Paris,

it was easy to see, you know, to get to the different places

that I wanted to check off, but it was really easy to get to the event.

So going into this like completely ignorant to the history of this thing,

how long has this been going on?

Is this like the future of the car show?

You mentioned it's going to New York.

Like we all know like the, you know, the decline of the New York auto show, right?

I mean, is this going to take its place for people like us?

Like what? No.

I mean, I think it's going to compliment it because it's so different.

It's not it's not a modern auto show in that sense.

So and I was able to meet the gentleman who is heading the New York event.

Jeho and I got to chat with him for a bit.

And it was his enthusiasm was, you know, contagious

and they're just so excited.

And he said, part of the reason they're so excited

is because we don't have anything exactly like that here,

even with all the events we have.

Denver was not on their shortlist.

It wasn't, but it was it was, I mean, I it was so nice to talk to him

because obviously they're in the middle of the event.

We all know how busy that is,

especially if you are on the team putting on the event.

You don't have a lot of breathing room,

but he took the time to chat with me and talked about why they landed on New York.

And that's because they wanted something they want to draw from Europe and the U.S.

OK, makes sense.

So they thought that was striking a balance.

It's not to it's not extremely far for one or the other.

And hopefully they can draw from both.

And, you know, they didn't want to compete with like, obviously,

you're not going to do it in August because you have car week, yeah, that kind of thing

where they looked at when are the big events here that they don't want to compete with.

They want to have their own space so that people would actually come and enjoy it.

Well, and I think New York is underrepresented.

I guess what I was getting at, I mean, Denver was a joke, right?

But, you know, I would be like the first shoot your shot.

Right. But I mean, New York does make sense.

You know, and do you know how long this has been going on?

Because I feel like I've heard of I've heard of it for a while,

but increasingly more in recent years.

Like I've heard this is the place.

There's like a flea market component.

Like if you need like a yes, a dash switch for your Oscar, Oscar, whatever,

you know, that's where you find it.

Esoteric part. Yeah.

And that's I guess that like we're sort of illustrating the point without without

planning it is how many different elements are represented.

It makes for such a unique event and unlike anything we have here,

because there are there are parts brokers and there are classic car brokers.

And then you have, you know, you have it's like every element of the car hobby

in one giant event. Yeah.

So so it's been this was the 49th year of the event in Paris.

OK. OK. Wow.

Yeah. I mean, so who's it's who's behind it?

Is it like it's just the it's a group.

And I'm I'm going to pronounce it the Anglicized way, obviously,

but it's comics posium.

So my friend, Ramon, is the director of the event.

And I've gotten to know him at Car Week,

and I definitely didn't pronounce that correctly, but hopefully he'll forgive me.

So then I'm so Ramon runs

RetroMobile Paris and then Gerard runs.

He will be running RetroMobile New York.

Amazing. Do you know what?

Where in New York it'll be?

The Javits Center.

Oh, no. Interesting. OK. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah.

Yeah. So they work with Teamsters yet.

Don't know about that.

Yeah. But you know, one of the things I had a chance to talk to

Ramon quickly and he was saying the you know, the prep had gone very smoothly

and I think attendance was up 24 percent, maybe from the year before.

Like he's he has run the event for the last three years.

And before that was part of the organization and, you know, learning the ropes

and just he was he was really excited because a lot of young people came this year to.

And so it's nice to see that because the show can continue on.

And obviously it's drawing in the next generation of enthusiasts.

And I know that's something that we all think about and so it's good to see.

Sounds amazing in context a little bit.

Obviously, we have a researcher for the show and the researcher tells me

that there were over 100,000 visitors to the show.

So did it feel like 100,000?

It definitely did.

And I was I was doing a little support research to back up our very hardworking

researcher and the figures that I saw said more than 146,000 people.

And it's a so it started on the 5th.

They had a preview on the 4th for media in the evening.

And then it was the 5th through the 9th.

So it's over the course of the entire event.

Yeah. And is this a pricey ticket?

I see you got to get to can be if you buy, you know, if you buy the pass for the full event.

But you can buy a one day pass and, you know, you can you can do it in a way that makes sense for you.

And I should correct myself.

It was up 12 percent from 2024.

That's fantastic.

That's.

Did you run into anyone?

Any friends?

Yeah, you would.

Yeah, so so my friend Laura joined me to go.

You know, her Instagram is that Porsche girl.

So she was able to join me and go with me.

And then we ran into Steve Cereo, who's based in Boston.

You know, he's the real bond group on Instagram.

He's the broker that works with Cam Ingram and Peter Brotman.

So we ran into Steve and Peter on the floor of the show, like not long after we got there

and had a chance to catch up with them.

And that was super fun.

And then once I really realized the scale of the show, it's remarkable that we ran into them.

Yeah, yeah, it always happens there, right?

Well, of course, you know, everyone too, which it was so perfect.

Well, and we had been in touch ahead of time, both of us are, you know,

saying we want to get together because we knew we were all going to be there.

And then we just happened to see them right away.

So it was perfect and got to chat with them.

And Peter has that gorgeous lime green mirror that was all over Instagram, I think, last year.

And we ran into them right by there was another green mirror that was gorgeous,

but it was more of a it was sort of like a teal British racing green hybrid.

But the even more remarkable was that the interior was full green,

like steering wheel, seat, carpet, every.

So I don't want to change the subject too much, but I've become obsessed with green cars all of a sudden.

Like it's shopping for a Lexus, you know, gold package and stuff.

But I just I really have fallen in love with that, like a Brewster green or something.

And, you know, I was on the GT three configurator and I thought,

cool, that'd be to do like a green interior, like with a green,

like such a like a nod to like the 70s or whatever.

But it would be impossibly expensive, you know.

But if we're going to it was there was an orange Aston Martin on auction there as well.

Did you see that? That was like everything was working that one in person.

And so that's what we're going to go. Go all out.

That's what I was saying.

You know, initially you kind of go, that's a lot of orange.

And that one actually had color matched the wheel.

The center of the wheels was orange, too.

But, you know, it would be such a conversation piece at a minimum.

You take that anywhere.

It was striking.

It was a conversation piece.

And that one was all orange.

And it's like, you know, you got to appreciate the commitment to the color

because like you said, it was orange steering wheel, orange headliner, orange

upholstery, orange carpet, orange wheels, you know, center of the wheels,

the color, obviously the exterior color was orange.

But what struck us, too, very unexpectedly was so we went to Bonham's first

because the big auction houses do auctions in Paris the week of RetroMobile

because everybody's already there.

And the Bonham's auction was happening the day I got in.

So we went there and they had a Ferrari 400 that was, I mean,

if you want a green car, Ryan, this is the green car for you.

I have a thing for the 400. I really do.

OK. Very much of an era.

It was and this one in particular was just so charming

that I kept coming back to it because so they had the way Bonham's was set up.

It was at the Grand Palais in Paris.

The auction was inside and they had a display outside with five

not not hero cars, but featured.

Incredibly rare historic cars

and then another display outside just below those and then others were over in

another like a storage area and so you take a shuttle to that.

And this Ferrari 400 was in the group that you had to take the shuttle to.

But I kept going back to it because so green exterior,

completely green interior.

Again, you know, green steering wheel, green upholstery, green carpet, everything.

Green carpet in the trunk and then green window tint,

which I've never seen before in my life.

That's that's that's like that's taken to another level, right?

You know, it's kind of like the watch roll, though,

like the funky stuff in the long term is the stuff that really keeps its value.

And yeah, I wouldn't have even known about that orange car,

but a buddy, Maurice Merrick at Horsepower Heritage had Eric Minoff,

I think his name is Eric Minoff from Bonham's,

who talked about some of his favorites and that orange car was one.

But I think there's something to that.

I always like those like those OG AMGs, you know, like the Hammers and all that,

where everything was like red right down to like the grill and the star.

You know, I think that's like, if we said red, if we said this color, you know,

you can count on well.

And what was certain customer, what was so funny?

Well, and I have to say Richard Stafford was one of the auctioneers

at Bonham's who works that particular auction, you know, and they trade off.

They have a few different, but he happened to be at the gavel

when the when the 400 came out.

That's the clip you posted.

Yes, he had, I mean, probably my favorite quip of the whole trip,

make green, great again.

So funny.

That's a hat for me.

Yeah, it was it was so funny.

But so that was the first green car.

Then we got to the event the next morning and there's this mirror

that has almost the same interior, like the leather looked the same,

you know, full green again.

Yeah. Then when we finally made it over to the other halls, there's another

there's a vintage Porsche turbo with a full green interior.

So I think there was some stealth collector who's just been

like, yeah, dripping, you know, drips and drabs.

His collection is being released and or there was something going on

in Europe in the 80s with the green interior where they're like, you know what?

This is the business.

So yeah, yeah.

But there definitely felt like there was an unintentional theme for sure.

Well, that's where you're going to see that kind of stuff.

Yeah. And then there was a Skoda Felicia, which of course, I just could.

I don't even know what that is.

I got to look that up.

I don't know what they said when it rolled off to the right.

But it was a green.

Yeah. Yeah.

So green was a theme through the through the trip, which was fun.

But I'm looking this up.

I'm looking at pictures of this four hundred.

Yeah, definitely.

I think it's definitely.

Skoda Felicia is like a little kind of box.

Oh, yeah. But it was cute.

It was like brilliant green.

Got it. Got it.

You know, it's like when it's like anything, when you see something,

then we're like, there's green everywhere.

But, you know, these three examples

with the green interiors really stood out like really special.

But again, we've talked with this before.

That's not like a second or third car.

That's your sixteenth or seventeenth or right.

That's in first or whatever.

And it's same, same with the orange car where you're like, you buy that

just because you're like, it's so bad, it's good.

And I want to have it when I feel like going to cars and coffee

and just sort of causing a scene and looking absurd

and just like making everybody smile.

Yeah, this is so what would you call it?

Oh, yeah, there's the green.

I'm looking at the bottoms car now, the four hundred.

Yeah, you know, that's that's pretty great.

You know, like you got to place in Palm Springs or something, right?

You know, that's that's that's the car right there.

That's awesome.

Were they all automatic or did they do a stick one?

There was a manual.

Yeah, yeah, but it didn't have a skated shifter.

Yeah, it had that bag shifter, right?

Which just doesn't quite have the same, you know, cachet or whatever.

There's no clunk click, is there?

But but I think the argument has been made that, you know,

that maybe the automatic is where it's at.

It's kind of like a 928, like a Porsche, right?

Where maybe the automatic suits it, you know, in some strange way, right?

It's a GT car, right?

I mean, it's right because it's got, you know, it has a back seat.

So, you know, that's that's your vintage family Ferrari.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can you imagine they're like just we've talked about this again before,

but like loading up like, I guess in this case, your family and heading to,

you know, I don't know, the, you know, the south of France or whatever.

I mean, it's just right in your green on green on green on green on green.

Ferrari, no speed cameras.

Everyone in the cars got a cigarette, including the kids.

It's just like that was living, right?

Right. Yeah.

I don't know, guys, I'm approaching 50 here.

I got to start doing a little more.

Maybe it starts with a green 400 I Ferrari, right?

No more GT silver Porsches for me.

So which color, if you guys were going to pick a car and commit to it or pick

a color and commit to it the way that these commendable collectors did.

Yeah. Which color would you pick?

We know what's the car because you get to choose.

Doesn't matter.

You get to choose and I don't think that's as important.

And it's like, what color would you want to be surrounded by?

Like every element of the car?

Like the name was a Greg blue came up, right?

Before we started recording and he's obviously his name is blue.

It's blue cars, right?

He's committed to blue.

Blue is kind of his thing.

Yeah. So you're going to commit to something.

Yeah, it is, it is.

And so no silvers, no blacks, no.

No, it has to be a color.

Like if we want to get really crazy, we could say primary or secondary.

But yeah, yeah, if that makes it easier, my idea is out of the water

because I was going to go for silver Mercedes, like a classic silver Mercedes

arrows car. Well, that suits the the car.

But what about like a tobacco brown?

I just thought those looked great on old Mercedes cars and brown interior too.

Brown interior, like full brown.

Yeah. Yeah. So much brown.

It's a lot of brown.

How hard, how hard is it going to be to keep it clean?

That's where I start.

Brown, maybe the easiest thing to keep clean.

Yeah, black terrain.

No, no.

I was in a real Muirblau kick.

So, you know, it's that deep, non-metallic, almost, you know, very dark,

you know, blue on portion.

But I think Jeff Zwart has sort of co-opted that as his his color.

But that is a great color.

Our buddy Tom Horan from the Grand had a GT3 touring 991.2 that it just I fell in love with.

If I had the money, I would have bought from him.

It was just right.

So I know that it's OK if that's your color.

I mean, you can you can emulate the life.

Mr. Green, you know, need approach.

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

There are a lot of things I could emulate right from him.

But Brewster Green is sort of, for me, surpassing Muirblau lately.

You know, the Porsche configurator could you could you commit to that?

If it's Brewster Green for everything, I think I could.

And I would do painted wheels, right?

Like, you know, you can't often do you have to do special wishes

on a Porsche, like a green interior, you know, a GT car or something.

But yeah, I think I could do Brewster Green.

I've always had a thing for green cars.

And you guys, I alluded to Lexus before, but you your children of the 80s and 90s.

Right. Yeah. Well, they had that black jade color that was black.

And then in the sunlight, it was the dark, dark, dark.

Yeah. Yeah. Off the BMW had that Oxford green.

Was that what it was?

It was a metallic one, too.

They had like a darker.

It wasn't called wasn't as dark as black jade.

OK, but it was like a dark metallic green and like a ton of cars were that color.

There were, but they're hardly any anymore.

And I think it needs to come back.

But I and I'll tell you about this later.

But I was invited with some of my pals to check out Blue Chip

here in the Denver area, and they had some amazing cars.

But one of my absolute favorite cars was they had this beautiful E39 M5.

And what I think was Oxford green or something like that.

And I think very few of those are made.

You know, a lot of those cars were black, blue, whatever, you know.

Yeah, that wasn't an M color as much as regular five series.

Such a good car.

It's just, you know, something about those cars, those are just the

those just peak BMW in my mind.

But yeah, well, because then that that was immediately followed by the

Bangal era, which made everybody love the preceding ones so much more.

Yeah, I still struggle.

And that was the era that BMW did those BMW films.

Like the BMW advertising was on point, the design was on point.

The drive, the driver series, because it was Clive Owen with the driver.

You guys remember those?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the caboose was on point, too.

Those are those are those are something those this question.

What about you?

So I I'm going to commit to Brewster green or some some, you know,

I'll tweak it just a little bit to make it my own.

Call it barky green.

But what would you go?

Which OK, so what popped into my head was, I don't know

if you guys saw so Bo Bachman has that pink chroma flair GT3 RS that he

and they just posted a picture of when it was picked up.

And I hadn't seen the interior before.

Yeah.

And it's, you know, it's this magenta sort of unicorn, really unique exterior.

And then in the interior, he did purple leather with purple and teal plaid inserts.

Which now that breaks my rule, obviously, but let your freak flig fly, right?

Like, I mean, you can always count on Beau for amazing colors and like very

bright and cheerful.

I mean, he has the the bowberry Ford GT.

That's that metallic pink or metallic magenta, just gorgeous.

I mean, I think I would have to go with something pinkish.

But no, that's it.

Yeah, I mean, then it has to be pink interior, too.

If I'm following my own criteria, yeah, so I could do, I would do a whatever car it was.

I would probably go with the magenta chroma flair exterior or the

bowberry metallic magenta so that it was like a dark, like a raspberry interior.

That's, I mean, that's a color they know you're coming.

Right.

They know you're rolling up.

That's it.

Yeah.

Dan, Dan, do we get a commitment?

I mean, we're backing forth on the silver and brown.

If I can't have silver, then the yellows that are found, like the yellow bird.

And in fact, with the logo from my company, I took a sample of the yellow bird

and used that yellow for the company logo.

So that's the perfect choice.

Yeah, that's a great color.

You know, Don, the fellow who owns Porsche Colorado Springs, he's a speed yellow man.

And so he has everything in speed yellow.

I'm more of a signal yellow guy myself.

But I like, you know, I appreciate that.

And he's made it his own.

And I, I could see you and doing a rock and a yellow.

I think the biggest challenge is though, I probably get double the amount

of speeding tickets that you would get starting out.

Like, I don't know, I mean, have you seen that GT color?

It is pretty notable.

But I love the yellow idea because it's so cheerful.

And I think it would lift your mood, you know, even if you were having a bad day

and it would brighten everybody else's days around you.

So that's, I think that's, and I don't think you'd get tired

of it the way you might some other colors.

I think it has more staying power.

Yellow, though, guys, is a very form specific color.

And this came up, our buddy, Dan McKinnis, who has a Python green

spider, among other things.

But he said he's not a fan of yellow cars.

And I said, you know, it's kind of car dependent.

And I really like signal yellow because the color just looks so different on different,

especially that speedy yellow.

I had a friend, rest in peace, not him, the car, a beautiful 993 C4S with the arrow

kit back in the day.

And I don't think I'd ever seen a cooler car up to that point.

Right.

But again, a 991 or a 992, I don't think speedy yellow looks nearly as good.

Right.

There's just too much square mileage.

Not enough breaking it up.

Too much acreage.

Yeah, you know, you got to have that, I don't know.

It's that's a color that on bigger cars just doesn't work nearly as well.

Do you remember the Miata, the any Miata, the sunburst or whatever you could get.

It was very similar to a speedy yellow or a signal yellow.

Right.

And that's just that was a cool looking thing.

I think maybe the difference is because every now and then I will see an F,

you know, 250 or 350 quad cab, long bed raised up.

There's a handful of those.

And the official color from the factory was called Screamin' Yellow.

Screamin' Yellow, right.

And it is it's sort of remarkable in its grandiosity.

And I think there's one in Seattle.

There was one down here for a bit.

And every now and then I see it.

And so I wonder if it's either it either has to be quite small or enormous.

Yeah, yeah.

Because they're like a school bus.

Right.

But every time I see one of those trucks, I smile.

Like they're just because they're just so sort of big.

And maybe because it's like an adult talk of truck.

Right.

Dan, do they have school buses in the UK?

We do, but they're not.

They're just like coaches.

They're not dedicated.

OK, that's an American thing.

Yeah, because we had some friends from Germany visit us one time.

And, you know, there were certain things they wanted to do.

They wanted to take home an American mailbox.

So like your classic red, you know, put on a post, you know, kind of

rounded at the top and they had a really tough time finding a red one for every

reason.

And then they got the carry on.

Like, how do you?

Yeah, I don't know what you do.

And then they wanted to see a school bus.

Like they got really excited to see an American school bus.

Like that was like a real, like just sort of iconic American thing.

I mean, I guess like a double decker bus or whatever for us.

It's like we all have it shows you what your definition of another country is when you

go and you're like, OK, these are the things I want to see.

Because in my mind, this is what makes up this country.

It's each his own or her own.

But I think there's something too that when you have a lot of metal,

you know, you start thinking school bus with yellow and especially non-metallic.

Right.

Well, and it's funny because this one is you're right.

Like it's not school bus yellow, but it just works.

Like I think just because it's so big, but yeah.

Would you to bring this back to RetroMobile, would you go back?

I would.

What would you do differently?

Or what did you miss that you'd want to see next time?

Or because I think in this is a that that car show field trip, you know, 2026.

I mean, at a minimum, the New York show, that makes it a little easier for sure.

That's a lot more.

That's more accessible for us, obviously.

But they will be at Car Week.

So I will introduce you.

We can we can hang with the boys and learn more.

I definitely would go back.

It's because it's so diverse and it changes every year.

And, you know, I definitely didn't see everything, even though I covered a good chunk of it.

And, you know, I mean, and bring the party, right?

Paris is always a good idea.

So if it's if it's a question of, do you go to Paris?

Yes, you always go to Paris.

Yeah, yeah, right on.

The answer is always like you think.

Yeah.

And you're saying sorry.

Yeah, I was just going to say that I think a couple of days before the show was the fat ice race.

You could do that combined.

Yes, I was immediately kicking myself for not realizing that sooner,

because that would be the ultimate itinerary is go to that ice race and then make your way to Paris.

And then you're there for the retro mobile preview and then the RM auction,

because that was happening.

I was in the air when that happened, so I didn't go to that one.

But then you could definitely go to RM.

You could go to Bonham's and then you would still have a couple of days of the event to go to,

you know, and if you went to the preview, you'd get to see a lot of it with fewer,

with a smaller crowd, too.

So yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, yeah.

I was a little disappointed to speak in a fat ice race that apparently they're not doing it here

in Colorado this year.

Maybe it's going to be every other year thing or something.

You know, let's let's let's not let's not joke.

That's not a race.

That's a party.

It's an excuse to get together.

And I mean, well, I mean, there's some racing going on.

But did you hear that at the one in Austria this year, one of the cars rolled in the ski race?

Oh, no, no.

Yeah, one of the cars pulling a skier and one of those cars rolled.

And they managed to everybody got it, ride it and carried on its way.

But can you imagine being that skier?

But it was like you think about the cars that they had there.

Luckily it was a B2, I think the wrong.

Oh, yeah.

So they were able to just flip it over and, you know, carry on.

Imagine if it was a Ferrari 400.

Yeah.

They're already looks like a pancake.

So it's, you know, it's a shoe.

It was.

Well, it's not like an awesome time, you know, against squad goals, you know.

Right.

I know I was you were both very missed.

It would have been amazing to have you with me.

One thing that I wanted to say about Bonham that I wanted to share about Bonham.

So they had these five cars displayed up above outside at the Grand Palais.

And the history and the experiences of those cars combined was unbelievable.

And one of them was a Ferrari 166 Barquetta, which is the car that I drove behind

when I drove the Cobra in June for the car show.

I was following a 166 Barquetta.

So I walked up to, you know, these five cars and I went, wait a minute.

I've been on the road with one of these.

That's awesome.

A couple of them.

So there was a Ferrari.

What's interesting, and I want to find out more about this because it had two years listed.

It said 55, 54 to 55 Ferrari.

It's a Tipo 555 F1 racing single-seater.

Okay.

So I don't know why it would have a year range.

I need to look into that more.

They may have competed it in two seasons from in one.

Rebodied it maybe.

Oh, that would make sense.

Yeah, that's a good theory.

But yeah, you know, and seeing that combination of cars in that setting,

and then those cars are still actively being driven.

A lot of them had Milimilia stickers.

They had, you know, Monaco rally stickers,

stickers from all over Europe.

And I mean, one of them had 10 or 20 stickers on it.

So they're being driven to this day.

Well, this conversation I mentioned with Eric Aminoff of Bonhams in her Palmarese,

they hit on something that I don't think has talked about enough.

But it's something that has, we talk a lot about within the grand circles.

But, you know, a car's value with all now the events, you know,

so you've got the California Milia, the Colorado Grand, Milimilia,

all these other things, you know, years in cutoffs.

So you can have one model.

But if it's a year or two new, you can't run it, right?

In one of these events.

And that can affect the value by 50% in some cases, right?

It's really interesting.

This has become such a thing now to run these cars.

Which is awesome, right?

It's what the cars want, right?

Yeah, it's very in line with all of our philosophies.

Yeah, really interesting how it's affected values.

And this Eric, you know, made a good point too.

You know, if the car originally ran in the event, you know,

that even extra points, right?

Oh, that'd be amazing.

He gave an example of one car where, you know,

you get a 64 version or whatever, and it's a $30,000 car,

and you get a 59 version, and it's an $80,000 car or whatever.

So it's interesting.

And I think that that experiential stuff,

whether it's the fat ice race,

whether it's, you know, any of these rallies, these tours,

that's kind of where it's at, right?

And so I think, you know, any of these cars that are eligible

are just, you know, that's where you should put your money,

but that's my two cents.

Right, yeah.

I do wonder if there'll be some rallies

that'll be for newer cars, right?

We've talked about this before.

The Colorado Grand, it's 1960 and older, right?

And that is not a sliding scale.

That will always be.

But when the Grand started, I think in 1989,

a 1960 car that was less than 30 years old,

and you think about, you know, what a 30-year-old car is now,

that's a car from the 90s.

Like, that's crazy, right?

So I don't know, maybe we need to start our own rally.

Well, I'm just saying.

And you can run, or run, Beretta's.

Open to bribes.

Right, GMC Typhoons.

If anyone has a GNX that they want to let me drive,

I'd be open to that.

Well, now none of us can afford those,

because Kendrick Lamar, right?

You know?

And what, is that the only one that was

bothered by him walking on it?

Or is that just?

Yes, did you see the clip of the Detailer

who had worked on it after the show?

So it's an independent guy in LA,

and he said he was contacted a couple months

before the Super Bowl, and they didn't tell him

whose car it was, didn't give him any details.

They may have told him it was for the Super Bowl,

but just like, hey, could you work on this car and prep it?

So he said he worked on it for six hours,

and as he was working on it, he kind of put together

who it was and what was going on.

And then he said, you know, so he worked on it

for six hours, got it immaculate and beautiful.

They shipped it off, and then he was watching the show,

going, oh, and he's standing on the roof.

Oh, and he's standing on the hood.

Oh, he's scratching.

What was that beautiful E30 M3 that Zuckerman had

that ended up in the top video?

Oh, that was a Travis Scott.

Yeah, that's what it was.

It was one of the best examples,

most original low mileage examples in the world.

I don't even like, I struggle with like junk yards

and things, right?

Because I don't like these cars.

I attach emotion to them or whatever.

But at the same time, I'm glad to see these cars driven too,

right, in the rallies and such.

Well, and of course, I found a 289 Cobra.

Did you?

Turned around.

They had a line of cars below this magical display,

and there was a Cobra, and then they were loading a Porsche 930

into the transport.

So that was kind of fun to see too.

So yeah.

I take a 289 over 427, says the man who's driven neither.

You are correct.

Although I want to drive a 427 before I.

Yeah, since I've only driven a 289,

I can say that's absolutely the right answer.

Anything else to put a bow on?

Retromobile.

I'm not even trying to say French.

It was just magical.

So cool you got a chance to do.

It's like one day you weren't, no, I hadn't heard a thing,

and the next day there you were on a plane.

It was awesome.

Yeah, it was.

Sometimes everything just lines up at the very last second,

and you find yourself in Paris for two and a quarter days.

I'm going to segue Paris to Paris to Dakar.

See what I did there.

Dan, you mentioned, I didn't know this,

the Dakar, the Porsche Dakar or Dakar,

have you want to say it?

And I say different ways, different days, apparently.

One of my driving highlights over the last couple of years,

I fell in love with the thing.

That's a car I would buy if I had the budget in the garage.

But you said they're going to do a new one.

It's been confirmed, and it's a hybrid.

There's rumours, there's rumours.

Okay, so now it gets to the Porsche.

I know who we can ask.

But the Dakar is based on the GTS,

and we know that the GTS is now a hybrid.

So the rumours that are literally in the last couple of days

are that they'll do a, I guess it's a 992.2 Dakar,

and incorporate that hybrid technology.

I think they're still selling for way above sticker,

right, $100,000 or something, right?

So it makes all the sense.

Glad I don't own one of the early ones,

but maybe I would be, right, being NA.

Hey, they'll sell everyone they can make, right?

I mean, it's an awesome, awesome concept, right?

So what does that get you?

Do you think that gets you a little bit more range,

like miles to the gallon,

and a little bit better performance?

Because it's a really small hybrid engine, isn't it?

Yeah, I think it's more of a performance thing, right?

But yeah, I think you can go battery only for five miles

or something, right?

And at least you can on the current hybrids,

and so there's that.

But yeah, it's nominal range.

Yeah.

Yeah, did it need more performance when you had it?

I didn't think so.

It definitely doesn't have, like, because I had driven,

the day I drove, spent some time in that one,

thanks Porsche Corolla Springs.

I was in a 992 Carrera S, also PDK,

and it definitely eats a, you know,

what's the difference in power, you know?

It's, I think, the point one, it's not a lot.

Did you feel it when you were in the cars?

I felt like they felt similar, right?

And I think because you've got the big tall tires and stuff,

right, I mean, it probably saps a little bit,

rotational mass and all that.

But I also feel like you're not,

at least I wasn't comfortable in pushing it the same way

that I was the standard car, right?

Just, you know, it was a very expensive car,

wasn't mine, it was raining out, right?

You know, but I kind of have a sense of the standard car,

the Dak car, you're just, you know,

you're sitting up higher and all that.

No, I thought that was a very strong,

it felt like the right amount of power.

I guess that's the more important question, right?

It felt like the right amount of power.

And I don't know if, I don't know if a hybrid would take away or not.

I'm sure it wouldn't, I'm sure it wouldn't, right?

It's such a seamless thing,

but no, I don't think it lacked for power.

My two cents.

Yeah, that's the remit right now.

Yeah.

That's exciting.

Well, watch this space.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Probably with Porsches guys, sir.

I'm going to go for a little rant here.

I, uh...

F.O., you'll lose an allocation.

Rant is coming.

Here's the thing, you can get an allocation,

but it's still going to cost you, right?

And as we learned from John and Justin,

but, you know, they've just gotten so expensive.

They've just gotten so expensive.

And, you know, it is, it's just, you know,

I think it's another reason to probably have this GT-4 for it,

because it's probably the last of the cheap GT cars, right?

You know, this thing has 6,000 in options.

You can't do 6,000 in options in a Porsche anymore, right?

I mean...

No, that's like half of one.

Because it's packages, right?

It's packages now, right?

And if you want the lightweight seats,

and if you want the special...

It's just, and before you know it,

you're adding 50% or more to the cost of the car.

And I just, you know, it's,

and it doesn't change the driving experience.

And here's the thing, if you can't spec one,

if you don't get an allocation,

you're buying something that's been specced for you.

And you're not buying too many, you know,

base cars, right, off a lot, right?

So that is my biggest thing.

I've just had, it's like everything.

Eggs, real sticker shock lately,

pricing out Porsches,

like at least on the configurator.

So I imagine a, you know,

even a sticker on a new Dakar is going to be,

I don't know, what, 250, 300?

I don't know.

I think it's over three, I think.

Yeah, okay.

I don't know about sticker or like used prices right now.

Yeah, yeah, maybe both.

And maybe they won't do a limited,

because at the moment they're a limited run, right?

Yeah, or effectively limited, right?

I think they're all...

Allegedly.

I think.

But yeah, so maybe hopefully they, you know,

imagine if they didn't do it as a limited car.

Yeah.

Would you, would one appeal over the other to either of you?

I mean, would you rather have the NA or...

I'm not a hybrid hater.

No, I don't, I don't have any strong feelings

about hybrids either way.

I think NA is just more of what I'm familiar with.

So I'd probably, but I would want to drive both of them.

Yeah.

Make it informed.

I don't like, I've got no liking of my neighbors

or dislike.

So that's the only application I could see.

Of the hybrid of the Dakar.

Well, going on battery like so you don't wake the neighbors up,

but I don't care.

What's that song?

Wake up the neighbors anyway?

Yeah.

I think when you were in a building where that matters

or a neighbor that matters, you know,

it's sort of, there's an applied like, you know,

all right, you're not living out in the country, right?

Yeah, let it some the HOA and stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, all right.

For the record, I love the Dakar.

I don't care for your hybrid.

Give me one tomorrow.

I just can't.

You'll just take one.

Well, so you're spending a lot of time

on the Porsche configurator.

Any particular models that you're focused on?

I mean, I would love a new GT3 Touring.

I would, you know, it'd be one thing

if you could go in and get one for Sticker,

even that I can't afford.

But like, you know, there's a $100,000 markup, right?

You know, if you're going to get one.

And, and, and, you know, our friends,

John and Justin Porsche,

spring said, you know, you're getting a wing car.

You're not even getting a touring.

So that's just, that's out of my league.

But it is fun to, it is fun to configure.

It is cool that now they have all the,

you know, the paint, the sample colors and stuff,

although highly inaccurate on screen.

But I don't know what you're supposed to do about that.

But man, you can spend so much money so quickly.

You know, I mean, it's just, it's, it's wild.

But that's, I guess, what I would get in the current lineup.

If it wasn't an ST, right?

Oh, yeah.

But that's a good choice.

I went into a dealer last week.

So I've been thinking about downsizing the Corolla

and just getting a box store.

Really?

Maybe.

So my previous experience is,

and I'll keep the dealer anonymous,

but I will say it's part of the Auto Nation group.

And I went in and asked for the chap I'd always worked with.

And Ron, it was the guy and Ron's always been great.

Like when I thought that my Corolla wasn't going to appear,

I was talking to Ron and Ron walked me over to the Assister

dealership, which is a Mercedes dealership, which is next door.

And he took me through a couple of used cars they had.

So the point here is that he invested time with me,

even though why I potentially bought a car.

And two, he was thinking about the long-term relationship,

which is obviously what the guys do down in Portugal

early Springs.

And we talked about that.

So anyway, I went in to ask for Ron.

Ron no longer works at the dealership.

So I got talking to another gentleman who will be anonymous.

And I said to him, I hear that you may have a SLK55 AMG,

but I'm looking at something like a Boxster or stuff.

So I guess the first point of the story is that he didn't listen to me.

So what I mean by he didn't listen to me is I said,

well, I used to have a 2009 Boxster as I loved it.

Anyway, a 2009 car pulled into the car park.

And he started to explain to me why that 2009 was better

than a base previous model.

And I went, well, yeah, I used to own one.

I know.

But I agree.

Also, don't you know who I am?

Like, come on.

It's just a listen.

It's an exciting listening, right?

So anyway, two days ago, or maybe yesterday,

I saw that they had a 1999 911 for sale that had just come in

with the body kit, had the, you know, the taco wing on the back.

Nice.

That's kind of rare.

Yeah.

I got a perspective from Mr. Deiste and he spent a bit of time

telling me what to look out for, what not to look out for.

How about Deiste?

So then I texted the gentleman,

and maybe we called him Stephen for this exercise.

And I'll re-fire the text because it was quite funny.

Is it the Seattle Auto Nation Mercedes dealership?

And next door.

Hi, what's the situation with the 1999 911?

Just come in possibly at Mercedes next door.

Do you know a thing about this car?

I don't.

It looks like they took it in on trade.

Gotcha.

Would it be possible to get some pictures of it?

For that one, you'll have to call Mercedes.

So whereas Ron previously would have probably got me the pictures.

He was not interested at all.

Oh, John or Justin, you want something down at the Jeep dealership?

They'll look at it and take a picture for you.

Right, right.

You know, because it's about the.

Well, it's long term versus it's, uh, some people have vision

and this chap apparently did not.

Yeah.

This is when you find a good one.

You got to stick with it.

Whether it's a dealer, whether it's a salesperson, a service rider,

whatever mechanic.

It's, uh, friends.

That's my dealership story of the week.

Well, uh, Ron.

Yeah.

Ron, where are you?

It sucks.

You know, Ron, where have you gone?

Take my money.

You know, it's come on.

Go on.

Yeah.

Well, uh, at that Jeep aforementioned Jeep dealer, uh,

you may run into something that I didn't know was a thing

until you told us both tonight, Dan.

Jeep has apparently crossed a line you just don't cross.

With their customers.

Something that boggles my mind.

If it's true, what's true?

It's definitely true because there's evidence.

Okay.

Do you remember when BMW said, I think we're going to do

a subscription service?

Yes.

All the hardware is there now.

Right.

But you weren't going to be able to activate it.

You have to pay like a monthly amount, right?

Yeah.

You have to activate the feature.

It appears like Jeep have said, hold my beer.

Because.

Hold my, my American watery.

Hold my Budweiser.

Yeah.

Um, because some Jeep owners, as they're driving along

in their cars, are getting pop-up ads on their screens.

I mean, that's just wild.

So does it say that it's happening while the cars are moving?

Yeah.

And this is Jeep trying to upsell.

And Jeep have said it's a glitch, but come on,

you don't get something on the screen that says,

Purchase piece of mind.

Mopar vehicle protection.

Wait, so you have to hit a button in some cars that says,

I accept the liability of using this infotainment system.

But apparently an unsolicited pop-up ad is okay.

Well, I'll let you do a Bluetooth call.

So it's obviously a planned motion.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, because you have to, the ad has to be created.

Like somebody wrote the ad and produced it.

That's a max headroom pop-up.

Well, and that violates NHTSA guidelines.

Like this was a huge part of when I, my role at Ziva was

creating the in-app content.

And that was a huge topic for discussion.

Because one of the features of the platform that we were

creating was that it could suggest offers,

like as you move through your day, to make your life easier.

Like if it knows you've just finished work, picked up the

kids at soccer and you're headed home for dinner and

there's a pizza restaurant on the way that has a great deal,

it could let you know that.

But the crux of it is like, okay, but we can't do that

while they're driving because we can't distract them.

So what I'm wondering is, because you know,

NHTSA guidelines too, that governs how much text can be

on the screen, how many steps a feature can take,

because it's, every time you take your eyes off the screen,

it's two seconds, or it can be no more than two seconds

of your eyes off the road.

Which is still a really long time if you're at freeway speed.

And so I wonder if the ads are supposed to be appearing

when the vehicle is stopped, but maybe that's the glitch.

But they shouldn't be appearing at all.

And I suppose it's some line item written into, you know.

Like if it's at a stoplight, they can show it to you if the vehicle,

because like there's some features in my truck where I can't do,

like I can't go through the pairing process if it's in motion.

Right, right.

But if I'm stopped, you know, that kind of stuff,

because it's more involved.

So there's a way to control when you have access

to certain features or when things appear,

because they can tell when the vehicle's moving or not.

So I'm, it'll be curious to see how this unfolds,

because I wonder whether it's true or not,

if they're going to say, well, they should only have been showing

when it was at a light or a stop sign or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because they had to make the ads.

Yeah, and I'm like envisioning trying to like get the little X

in the top right corner to get it to go away.

Right.

It's just like, that is just wild and it seems wildly dangerous

and it seems wildly unethical and just bad business.

And you know, you think they, you know,

I know Jeep's a little slow sometimes,

but you think they would learn from BMW, right?

You know, you know, that is just wild.

You can't be, you can't be serving things to people

while they're moving, because that's,

that's the peak of distracted driving.

Price is killing it these days.

That's god.

And if you could,

Tesla would have monopolized it already, right?

Yeah, yeah.

It's like the poll star that we have that it never shut up about

because I really do like it for what it is.

When you get in and it knows that it's eight in the morning,

it knows you're going to school.

So on the nav, it'll pop up.

That's the first suggestion, right?

Okay.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

That's additive, right?

Is that an Apple thing or is that a Pulse?

No, it's yeah, it's so there is Apple CarPlay,

but only if you connect your phone

through a wired connection, which is interesting.

Wow.

Well, really?

Honestly, God, we don't miss, we don't miss it

because they have their own proprietary system

and it's effectively the same, you know?

Well, and if it's predictive

and it's offering helpful stuff,

like the traffic on the route

that I know you drive on weekdays in the morning,

that's super helpful.

It is.

I found a cool little thing,

which probably the last person in the world

who drives a pollster has figured out

because it's literally a button on the steering wheel.

But do you remember Saab?

And do you remember, I mean, I hope you do.

Does it have a Kachow button?

What is, what is Kachow?

You know, in Lightning McQueen in cars,

he has a Kachow button.

No, but it has effectively a dark mode button, right?

So do you remember in old Saab's,

you could do a dark mode,

so it would dim everything but like the speedometer

and it comes on your phone.

Like a dial, you would like.

I thought it was a button, like it was,

but maybe different models or whatever.

Yeah, and so this has a button,

it's not quite dark mode, you know,

because you still have the screen in the middle,

but it basically simplifies the screen in front of you,

the dash, right?

So like what it displays.

Right, so it defaults to like having a second map,

which, you know, I guess is good,

but you hit this button

and then you basically just get the very basic instruments.

It's really, I don't know,

it's very like Scandinavian and nice

and now it's a preferred driving environment.

It's, I'm wondering, just on a different tangent,

if we can reach out to Jeep

and get them to put an advert for this show on the car.

Is that our, is that our target podcast?

Is it our target?

Hey, Daimler Chrysler people,

have we got the show for you?

Welcome to the most distracting podcast you'll hear today.

I'm really going for that, that Hornet market personally, right?

Yeah, that's the demographic you think.

That's the one I want.

Yeah, I think the only thing I just want to,

I just want to confirm that we're not liable

if an ad for our podcast pops up

and somebody has an incident

while they're going to train to turn the podcast off.

Definitely a Jeep problem.

They see our headshots

and they're distracted one way or the other.

Look at this.

Who are these people?

Just when you think some of these American car companies

can't fuck it up more, there they go, you know,

it's just like that is just so, you know, wow, wow, wow.

Tesla should have been the one, right?

Yeah.

I suspect what they did is they built it into the systems,

but didn't want to release it.

Yeah, yeah.

And they've accidentally done something to release it.

Yeah.

So like the functionality was always there in the background.

Yeah.

Something's happened and.

Somebody checked the wrong box.

Yeah, that's some nut down with that at all.

Well, hopefully they get that sorted

before there are any issues because that's crazy.

But I'm hearing just like reading articles about like Jeep engines,

like, you know, dying at four miles and like,

I mean, I just feel like there's some real issues.

And then what they were talking about

on the latest Spikes car radio,

wasn't that a Jeep plant or something

where there was a problem with someone in a bathroom?

I don't want to go into details, you know,

but I just think there are larger issues there.

Maybe they shouldn't focus on pop-up ads

and focus on the fundamentals for a minute.

I like Jeeps.

I like the idea of a Wrangler, you know.

I loved my Jeep.

Yeah, yeah.

It's such an adventure vehicle.

Yeah.

There's something about it, right?

I drove one from Denver to LA and back

and we stopped in Moab and did some light off-roading.

I mean, it was a hell of a good time.

I mean, it's just, you know, I know death wobble or anything.

I really enjoyed the thing.

But then there's that kind of stuff, right?

There's unknowns or just, I don't want to roll the dice, you know?

So, anyway.

Dan, did you have a Wrangler?

Yes, the Rubicon.

Yeah, it was.

You've owned a lot of cars.

I don't know about that, but yeah, this was 2018.

So it was the newer shape.

Yeah.

The only thing I did to it is I got them to put a bigger brake kit on it.

So they do it from the factory.

They do a bigger brake kit in case you're going to do lifted wheels

like the bigger wheels.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't put bigger wheels on it,

but I just felt the brakes needed something.

So I just paid, I think it was $1,000 at the time.

I'm kidding.

A bigger brake kit on it.

But yeah, lots of adventures.

It wasn't, you know, handled like a boat, but that didn't matter.

You know, it took me across multiple states and I slept in it a couple of times.

Really?

Yeah, it was great.

Well, we know how Dan loves sleeping in cars.

Yes.

It was more comfortable than the full day.

One way or another, Dan will find a way to sleep in the car.

Yeah.

And sometimes when I'm lying awake, you know,

ruin my life decisions or whatever, and I can't sleep,

I think about sleeping in that.

What was that?

A GMC terrain?

What was that?

Traverse.

No, we had a Ford Edge.

A Ford Edge.

That's what it was.

They all blend together.

So this was like peak last year, right?

And we got up early to go up the mountain and realized

that we've got a good parking space,

but there was nothing going on for a few hours.

So we slept in the car.

Yeah.

But I opened up the boot.

Yeah.

I opened up the boot.

And just lied in the boat.

Yeah.

It was magical.

Yeah.

Well, it was kind of that weird sort of like, you know,

if you're a kid and you go to the dentist

and they give you what do they call it,

butterfly gas or whatever, it's, you know,

it kind of knocks you out halfway.

You know, it's kind of like that, right?

Yeah.

You're kind of in a twilight zone.

Twilight.

Yeah.

Poppers, right?

That's what that was.

When no pop is consumed during that trip.

Unfortunately.

We could have used one, but yeah, that's,

hey, that was a great time.

I see that media credentials are coming up for bikes peaks.

I've started getting the emails.

I don't have to, if you, if you either,

one of you want to, want to make a, you know,

it's no retro-mobile, but we had a good time.

I wanted to make you sleep in a car.

We just go to all the events, right?

There's no discrimination.

All right.

They're all.

Well, I think what we need is we need a airline sponsor.

We need a car rental sponsor.

Spirit airlines.

Where are you?

Yeah.

And then maybe a hotel sponsor.

Yeah.

And that way our lives would be a million times easier.

Right.

Eps.

So if you're listening spirit or Delta or whoever.

Please not spirit.

British Airways.

Alaska.

Is that someone?

Who is that?

That's.

Motel 8.

Aim high guys.

Come on.

The micro-tel is always an option, right?

Yeah.

The roadway in.

If you want a hotel with nothing but fluorescent lighting,

that's your move, right?

Anyway.

Is that a show guys?

Is that a show?

I think it is.

It's a damn year and an hour.

Yeah.

It was fun.

I think we've reached that point.

All right.

We're going to France next year.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Maybe Pikes Peak.

Maybe a Motel 8.

Is it Motel 8 or Motel 6?

It's Motel 6.

Motel 6.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's more of a 6 than an 8.

Yeah.

Tom's out in 6.

All right.

On that note.

Always be driving.

That's right.

Till next time.

You'll get there one day, Ryan.

I believe in you.

This week, Lindsay doesn't miss a beat with dispatches from both

Airwater and the exclusive Slate Truck Launch.

The end discovers that he's not really a Bronco Raptor guy,

despite his hairy chest and tough guy demeanor.

I get bougie and bolder with the fuel fed set,

and we debate the car we choose from hell's own rental counter.

It's that car show.

The kids are all right,

and we are coming for your forerunners, Eli.

All right.

Well, welcome to this week's episode of that car show.

The gang is all here,

but I wanted to start off by introducing a phrase

and a little bit of information.

In the UK, we have a phrase called parish notices.

What does that mean?

Well, that means it's a traditional British phrase

that's often used to make a few announcements before things start.

So in British tradition,

I'm going to start with some parish notices.

And the very first one,

yeah, you guys will be using it in all the meetings that you go to,

and they'll be like, what's this?

I've become more British.

It beats housekeeping.

It does.

It really does.

I love it.

All right.

Let's hear it.

Yeah, I want to hear where you've used it.

So firstly, on a serious note,

on the 28th of April,

the legendary engine builder Ed Pink passed away,

and we just wanted to send our respects.

I don't think any of us actually knew Ed himself,

but we were familiar with his work.

We were aware that he had a reputation

and was known as the old master.

I think anyone in life,

if you get a reputation,

and you get some sort of recognition

as being called the old master,

you know that you've really kind of hit your craft and made it.

We didn't know him,

but we did know the impact of his work.

He built engines for IndyCar, for Porsche,

some of the Kramer engines,

interscope engines.

And more recently, he worked on the singer,

the singer DLS.

Is that right?

Yep.

Let's get that phrase.

The Emory Cars.

So we send our respects to his family.

He also passed away at the age of 94.

So as we would say in England,

a fantastic innings referring to cricket.

So that was the first one.

The second parish notice,

and I'm going to wear a dog collar next week, I think,

is that we had a lot of people on the social medias,

either give us feedback.

They shared some of our posts,

and I just wanted everyone to know

that that didn't go unnoticed.

We're incredibly grateful of everyone who has shown

real interest in this podcast really early on.

So thank you.

Please keep going.

Please continue to subscribe and add comments, reviews,

all that sort of stuff really helps us.

But thank you for everyone so far.

This is where I say amen.

Yes, it is.

There we go.

And I wanted to say specific thank you to my friend,

Wendy, who's her Instagram is BritPorschaGirl.

She has been an immediate early supporter and just so genuine.

And I think friend of the show, Tori Alonso, as well.

They've both been immediately on board and genuine

and very helpful, and we appreciate it.

So you said Wendy?

Yes.

So Wendy's going to get the parish notices

straight away without any change?

Right, exactly.

And Wendy lives in Sheffield.

That's perfect.

They make watches up there?

We've heard.

I mean, I think we know a guy, right?

Yeah, by proxy.

So last week was a big week in the car world.

And in particular, a new manufacturer came to the table.

And they brought potentially what is going to be

one of the most revolutionary cars to market, to awareness.

And we were lucky enough that Lindsay was there on site,

got an invite to the press launch.

So Lindsay, tell us all about Slate Automotive.

So Slate Automotive, they had their reveal on Thursday night.

It was at the Long Beach Airport in one of the warehouses there.

And it was very cloak and dagger.

You had to respond with a password to RSVP.

You didn't even tell us for the record.

I didn't tell anybody.

I had my dear friend, Derek Powell.

Everybody knows Derek Powell.

I feel like there needs to be a bell.

Hey, Derek.

When we say Derek Powell.

So Derek and I knew that we were going.

He was the only person that I even acknowledged that I was going to.

Everybody else found out after.

So anyway, thrilled to be there, thrilled to be included.

Our friend Kat Savill, who was at the Peterson included me.

She was at Tesla.

Now she's at Slate.

And so they had several of their executives,

the head of design, Tisha Snyder, Jeremy Snyder,

who's the CCO and Tisha.

I don't know that that's her last name now that I think about it,

because they're not related.

So they may have the same last name and I didn't pick up on it.

So I apologize if that's not the right name,

but she's the head of design.

And it was really fun to see a woman speaking.

And then their CEO is a woman, Chris Barman.

And they all spoke about the company and the mission.

And that they want to bring an EV option to the under $25,000

range of the market because there's a lot of people that would be

interested, but so far EVs have been inaccessible to them

simply because of the cost.

And so it's under $25,000 after government rebates.

The trucks are all assembled in the U.S.

And they have four different variations.

They have a single cab.

It's like a short bed pickup truck.

But then you can either configure it and have Slate assemble it

the way that you want it, or you can buy the pickup truck itself

and buy the parts and put it together yourself also,

which is an interesting concept.

Well, that's still be under warranty.

So that was part of the discussion afterwards

with several of my friends who are automotive journalists in LA

was if you have people that are installing it themselves,

how does that impact or does it impact?

Can you still claim that you have a five-star crash rating?

Like if you're not the one installing it, where does it change to?

Well, this was an aftermarket part.

So that's one of the early stage kind of like, okay,

there's definitely some questions that people have.

But in general, I think everybody loves the idea of expanding

the accessibility of EVs.

And this one is particularly cool because it's so versatile.

There's the single cab pickup truck.

Then you can add a shell on the back and a second row seat,

and it makes it kind of a new Bronco two-row SUV, very similar.

Yes, I said Bronco.

What are we?

Three minutes in and I've already said Bronco.

I'll do it this way.

Then they have another one where you can add a second row seat

and basically roll bars so it makes it kind of Wrangler-esque

or new Bronco where they make the overlanding type.

Oh, we have a new buzzer this week, I think.

And then the last one reminded me of either the big Range Rover

or Range Rover Sport because it has a cab on the back,

but it's sloping, so it's another two-row SUV.

But the lines are a little more luxury SUV.

So there's all different configurations.

You can add different levels of trim.

You can design a wrap.

You can have slate, apply it.

You can do it yourself.

It's a modular sort of take into the extra.

It's very modular, yeah.

And so you can design it to fit your life and what you need.

So one of the things that they talked about is that,

you know, the way they describe it is that they're built in the U.S., assembled in the U.S.

And not just the U.S., but Indiana.

That's like extra U.S.

Right, exactly.

Say extra America.

Ultra, ultra America, exactly.

So they say that they are manufactured here.

One of the points of discussion afterwards among the people in attendance was some of the parts

the U.S. has not had the capability to actually make those parts in 30 years.

Yeah, but that's anything, right?

Right, exactly.

So it's a little bit semantics because they are being assembled here, which is super cool.

And, you know, that, like, I love to see that because obviously,

hopefully it helps create jobs and all of that.

I think that's only positive.

So it's more like what's, I guess, you can parse out what your definition of

manufactured versus assembled.

And then, yeah, I mean, definitely some early stage questions, but their team,

I mean, listening to them was really inspiring.

They all have, like, several of the executives and a lot of the team have EV experience,

especially at Tesla.

So they've been in the space for a long time.

They've seen an organization like that grow.

And I think they're applying everything they've learned, you know,

what to do and what not to do.

And they just really seemed excited to bring this to the market.

And it was really, really well done.

The excitement, you know, everybody was very palpable.

Some people had seen spy shots.

They had done a, they dropped one in Venice, California the week before.

And again, you know, I'm not telling anybody.

So I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on?

So I sent it to Derek and I'm like, is this what I think it is?

What's going on here?

How big is this thing?

Like, what is this?

It's not big, like it's tiny.

Because I'm sort of under the impression it's the size of like one of the old school Ford

Rangers or something, if not the new one.

I think a small pick up truck.

It's like a light truck size.

Yeah, okay.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Is it the Suzuki Jimny, the new one?

Not that small, right?

It's not that small, but it's definitely, it's, yeah, it's light truck class.

Like it's not a full size pickup truck.

And I think that is going to be, I think that's going to help because it may have

a broader audience.

Not everybody wants to drive a full size pickup truck,

you know, or doesn't need it necessarily.

Dan, can you ask our off camera assistant when the last car available in the U.S.

was where you, you could opt for roll windows, roll down windows versus

electric windows.

Because I believe that you can actually get rolled down windows.

That's how functional this is.

Oh, on the, on the way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't remember.

Yeah, because like this is very much a form follows function vehicle, probably

more than just about anything else we've seen.

I think we have a lot of vehicles that are designed to look that way.

Right.

But this really is, I wouldn't say it's the prettiest thing in the world,

but I kind of love it for that.

Right.

It's sort of, it's like, it's so functional, it's cute.

And it's like, and the size, it's very adorable.

And it's like the little engine that could because it's like, I'm here and I'm

super capable.

What's not to love.

And they, it was, they had a great swag bag at the event and we got.

What was in this swag bag?

Well, we got.

But those of us who weren't invited.

That was part of the mystique they said in the RSVP form.

They said, if we were to surprise you with something with like your name or

whatever, what would you put on it and what size are you?

So we got jackets with whatever name or phrase or whatever you wanted embroidered

on them.

And then we got slate hats and then a really fun little activity book,

which my junior car reviewer immediately took and then, um, yeah.

And just, there were a lot of, you know, who's who of LA automotive media.

Mark Vaughn, who does a radio show and he's running for auto week.

And then Derek Powell, like, you know, obviously, and, uh, John and Mira Childenko and Jeff

Glucker of Hooniverse and Sean Winograd from car and driver.

And I think Mounder trend, maybe.

And now Kat and then yeah, a lot of fantastic.

That was great.

What did you learn, Dan?

Yeah, I kind of feel like we should be paying our researchers.

I know we're not in the minute.

So, uh, let's, let's maybe all chip together and tip them a little bit.

You won't believe the last time, let's just start with a year.

So the last car you could buy with roll down windows,

the car stopped selling in 2023.

So up to 2023, you could still buy a car with roll down windows.

It's a car versus a light truck.

Well, I mean, it's a Wrangler sport.

So it's both, right?

Okay.

That's, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, interesting.

Okay.

So you could buy a new car 2023 brand new.

Yeah.

Roll down windows.

A Wrangler sport.

And an honorable mention to the Chevrolet Spark, the base LS trim, had manual windows,

but was discontinued in 2022.

Have either of you driven a Chevy Spark?

I have not.

Have you?

And those stuck around way too long, 2022.

They were, would you say Dan?

I would rather walk.

Well, no, I, that's it.

That's, I think that is a viable alternative.

Fair separate.

They're tiny.

If you've ever been in a Lotus Elise, if you're driving your shoulder,

we'll be next to the shoulder of your passenger.

And that's the only other car that I've ever driven that experience.

Well, isn't that what they said about the Gordon Murray car though?

That like they, when Dario was driving it, like, I know Johnny said,

I thought he had to put his arm around Dario almost to sit in the passenger seat.

Well, that's different.

Gordon Murray car.

I'll do whatever.

I'll sit in someone's lap, the Gordon Murray car, but a Chevy Spark.

Right.

Did you ever think you'd hear a Chevy Spark and a Gordon Murray car in the same set?

Not at all.

So yeah, it was great that you were there Lindsay.

And it was, it was cool to be, you know, the forefront of the action.

Happy to represent the team, right?

I do have more questions though, if I may.

This is a rear wheel drive only vehicle, at least at first,

or can you opt in a front, like an all wheel drive module or.

So they didn't go into that much detail at the launch, but I, yeah,

so I don't know about that specifically.

Because I'm thinking, you know, rear wheel drive, electric truck donuts, right?

What's not to love.

Yeah, you know, and anything about it where you think they missed the mark?

Like was it, I'm shocked that they kept it the secret that they did really for as long as they

really remarkable because I know certain people have known about it for years at this point.

So well, no, I just, I mean, yes, you're absolutely right.

That's exactly correct.

No, I think, I think as they start to roll out that may those types of things, you might go,

they could have done that differently, but at least for right now, because it is still,

it's not a concept like they will be building them, but because it's not live yet.

Everything so far seems like they're like it's aligned with what they are trying to deliver.

And hella timing with the tariffs, Jeff Bezos.

Yeah, probably conversation there for a few times.

The man can build a rocket and launch a car, huh?

And that's political as we're going to get.

It reminds me like if Ikea made cars.

Yeah, it's that idea was like you, you take only what you need almost and you can

heavily configurable to whatever your purpose is.

I mean, that part of it is incredible because there's so many people that have

different needs and jobs and to find something that you can customize exactly for what you want.

That's the only vehicle like that new right now without having to do a bunch of work.

I think they're great. I'd love to have one as a third car, go to the hardware store and all

that kind of stuff. You don't, you know, I don't want to throw a big emulsion to the Porsche or

the Polestar, but, you know, yeah. Well, and I just, we talked so much about, you know,

rebodying when Logan was on and how much that happened. And I'm sure you could do a version

of rebodying with the slate. Like, so this might be the new coach built.

Would even have to be a truck. No, like you could decide for whatever reason.

I don't need the pickup truck right now or maybe go back and forth.

Yeah. And that would mean that Ryan would have to update his article about convertible

electrics, maybe the master of the, of the sick way. There we go. I got it in there.

Is it $10 per mention of the fact that he's a published writer? Is that how this is going to

work? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you speak it, it's so right. There we go. I think that works.

That works. Now in Denver, I think there was a launch. Is that right? Ryan, you attended the

launch of, um, it was a kickoff. Uh, was it fuel fed kickoff? Oh yeah. I love Colorado. Not a whole

lot of the new car, uh, you know, launches here, uh, though apparently I know, uh, slate motors

was like Denver LA Denver LA. Hotly contested debate about where to do it. Yeah. Uh, you know,

how much I love fuel fed and fuel feds is this group that I've been a member of since I was the

very beginning back in Chicago and now they have a, an arm down in Fort Lauderdale and then Mike

Burroughs started up, um, uh, fuel fed Boulder out here a few years ago. And for a group that's

still kind of under the radar, it was a huge, huge turnout. We had a beautiful day. Uh, I think

this was the first year that they did this with the blessing of the city, right? Lesson learned.

If you want to do something, don't ask for permission, right? If you want to build that

addition to your house, you start building and then you, well, now we're building it. You can't

tell us to stop now. And that's kind of what they did, right? Um, obviously this is a much more

benign sort of, you know, benefit, beneficial sort of event, but, um, but yeah, sure enough, they,

they, they had the official barricades and, and a couple streets open, much more room.

And the cars that show up are just incredible. Obviously there's some good, um, some good money

in Boulder, right? Um, but also the enthusiast scene is, is, is incredible and, and just, it's

always, it's always amazing what rolls up. Um, and just seeing, you know, all the, the friends

and, and, and folks you haven't seen all winter. Uh, it was just great. It was great. I, I only

wished I'd had stickers, uh, to hand out for that car show. This didn't arrive till today. If you want

one, uh, slide into our DMs, I guess, uh, and we will send some off or just find us at the next

FuelFed event or Crystal, uh, Cove or, uh, Exotics, right? And, and Seattle. So, um, but to bring it

back to FuelFed, just a great event. If you're in Colorado, I mean, it's worth the drive. It's,

I think, uh, once a month now through fall, um, on Pearl Street in, in, in Boulder. And, uh, it was

just, I mean, just fantastic. There was a, a Tester Osta next to a TR, right? A 512 TR. So

I've never been able to sort of compare and contrast, right? You know,

and especially in real life with your own, yeah, in person. Yeah. Yeah. It's, and you realize,

oh yeah, there's some significant differences, right? Like the, uh, the engine cover in the back

is painted black on the 512 TR and it's also about half the height. You don't pick up on that stuff

seeing one, you know, in isolation, right? The lights are front, at the front, the lights are

different, aren't they? That's the lights are different pop up to glass perspective. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then there was, what was the final 512 TR that had the twist wheels and everything?

It was the really special one. I, I don't know what that was. It was the M. That's what it was.

Yeah. That's what it was. So maybe next fuel fed, there'll be one of those and you can see them

all, but just stuff you just don't see anywhere else. You know, I've got a buddy who brought us

his Lotus Elite, right? Just, uh, I don't know. That's where you'll see an Arial Adam or, um,

you know, a random vintage Bugatti, you know, may or may not be drifted, uh, for Logan, but, uh,

you know, it's just, it's an elite group. You know, you know, it's one of the special events

that hasn't been commercialized, right? You know, it's, it's, uh, you know, it's still fun. Um,

you know, it's a mature group. No one's ripping out of the, you know, the lot at the end of the

day. It's just, uh, it's just, uh, a great group of like-minded people. There, there are people,

they're that car show people, right? If you follow. So speaking of people, you also bumped into a

friend of Lindsay and mine, right? Oh yeah. Shout out. Well, a couple of them, but I think you're

referring to Eric, right? Eric from Dream Drives for Kids. Um, he had the shirt on and everything

and he recognized me. I put two and two together with the shirt and he and his wife, uh, is it

Amity? Amity, I think. Yeah. Lovely people. Really, really cool people. Yeah, I love them. Yeah.

Yeah. It's such a small world sometimes. And it really is. They went on and on about, uh,

you Dan and, and, and how much you've helped them with their fundraising and all that. You're

just there as well. I think Lindsay actually was one of the few that bid when I was like,

my hand in my pocket. Oh. Well, the funny part was there were, yeah, there were a few things that

really kind of hit home for me and, you know, especially they had the one where you could just

bid to put together the boxes that they give the kids that get to go do the tours. Um, and I had

my daughter with me at that event and she started getting into it. She's like, mama, I want you to

have this auction item. We got a bid. Yeah. I was prompted some interesting discussions about

fiscal responsibility versus charity versus, you know, what's the happy medium and also helping

people. Auctions are dangerous. Well, the one that really caught my attention was the photo shoot

for your car. And I bid on it and then I immediately got outbid, which is what you hope, right?

Because they're raising more money. And, but then my daughter said, no, I really want you to have it.

She kept trying to raise her hand. It's a little bit about the actual charity.

Yes. You'd be the best one to do that, I think. I mean, Lindsay could obviously do it as well.

But so Eric has been very fortunate enough to collect a large number of fantastic cars,

right? But he made a decision to do something with them as opposed to just showing them off

for cars and coffee or, you know, taking them for drives. So we got in touch with local hospitals

in his area and basically said, if there are children that are on a journey of sickness, so,

you know, they're either fighting something terminal or long term, he wanted to put a smile

on their faces. So he would turn up with one of his super cars and take the kid out for the day

in the supercar. And the auction item that we're referring to is that at the end of this

experience, the child gets a replica of that car as something to kind of keep, keep them motivated,

keep them thinking. And, you know, he's gone beyond that now. He signed partnerships. We were help,

we helped sort of sort out the partnership in Redmond, Lindsay and I.

But there's partnerships all over the US now, and it's only getting bigger. They went to some

Porsche racing at Cota with Patrick Dempsey and he's now supporting the charities. So,

yeah. And my friend, my friend Andrew Florin, who puts together the Ollie and Bob cars and coffee

in Santa Monica is connected with Children's Hospital in LA. So he and Eric are now connected

and we're building that. We, they are building that one out. So that's going to be amazing. But

it's, yeah, it reminded me, you know, listening to Eric and Amity talk about all the kids that

they've met. And, and we all, you know, you can imagine the impact that has not only on the child,

but the whole family is impacted, especially if they're siblings too. It just changes everyone's

lives. And it reminded me the school that I've driven with up here, Proformance Racing School,

they used to take a team to Daytona and do the 24 hours circuit Daytona Le Mans. And so when my

daughter was a year old, we went to the Daytona 24. And I remember standing there because they

raised money for children's for Seattle Children's Hospital and the cardiac care unit. And it hit

me, you know, I'm incredibly lucky that my daughter's healthy. But people donate, I think you, you get

involved if you've experienced something like that with your child. Or if you realize how lucky

you are that your child is healthy, you donate to help the families that have are dealing with these

situations. So I love the work that they do. Yeah, can you imagine, you know, if you're a kid,

you're sick, and, and that comes into your life. I mean, it would just, I think it would just, it

would be healing, right? I mean, it would be, it would just, it would just change everything, you

know, it's just, and the lovely people and just a great organization. And, and, and yeah, so

need to finally meet them. Yeah, that's so fun. Small well when it comes to good car people, right?

That's true. There was some other, I think, chance meetings, though, over the last week,

if I'm not mistaken. I want to hear about air water, Lindsay, too, but, but you ran into our

pal Dan McKinnis. I was going to say, there was a lot of like cross pollination, Pacific Northwest,

California. Everybody was in the wrong spot. Yeah, Bermuda Triangle going. Yeah, don't we?

That's, I know. Well, I mean, I've said it before, you know, Crystal Cove is my favorite spot in the

whole world. I was very lucky to grow up there in my detective trailer on the beach.

We need a theme song whenever that gets mentioned, right? Yeah. And so, you know, I had the unique

luck to be able to walk up the hill and cross PCH to one of the original cars and

coffees in Southern California. Or one of the bigger ones that then went to the Ford headquarters.

But Crystal, and so the shopping center is kind of, that's what's left as far as places I can go

there. And there's no formal cars and coffee there anymore, but it's an amazing car show

any day of the week, any time. I mean, I was there Friday afternoon. And, you know, it's just

unbelievable. There's a Super 90 like pulled in and there's a Porsche Super 90 speedster next to a

like 65 convertible Mustang and then an Urus and all kinds of stuff. But yes, so I got a cup of

coffee and I'm walking out and I hear my name. And I think, what's this? And it's Dan McGittis, of

course. If he was with our friend John Nasser as well, I think, right? It was a whole crew. There

were two Johns. And then David Reichman, who's wonderful. He's got a gorgeous, it was his speedster.

I didn't know that. Okay. I had seen in the parking lot. It was so funny because Dan said,

you know, we connected. And then he said, yeah, and she's on the podcast with Ryan and everybody

perked up. Well, I know Ryan. Wait a minute. Yeah, you're being kind. But it's funny because I was

walking the dog here in the neighborhood, I guess it was probably a few days before that. And who

did I see? But John Nasser walking down the street. You know, John, you don't live anywhere near here.

He said, well, I just, I went, I went to go up to this place up the street. It's an ice cream

shop and he's going to walk back to his house. It's like two miles. It's like, these guys get

around, you know? That's so funny. You get out more. But no, I love those guys. David's a neat guy,

too. And yeah, I ended up talking to him for a bit at Auto Kennel. Okay. The morning after

Airwater, excuse me. But it was so funny. Once I saw Dan, then I realized because I'd been going

south on PCH, coming up to Newport Coast Road, or yeah, Newport Coast Road, which is a really fun

driving road. That's where I took the Guntherworks Speedster, one of the first places. It's big,

sweeping turns and just amazing. Wait, we're playing that now for the Guntherworks? I just

felt like playing it. Yeah. You got to hold it closer to the mic. We had the full impact. I have

already the voice of the audience, you see. Right. There we go. There we go. Like we get it,

you got to drive the Guntherworks. Yeah. But anyway, I had been driving south on PCH,

and I saw this green Porsche turn from Newport Coast onto PCH, but it was far enough. Yeah.

And then as soon as I saw Dan, I'm like, I saw Dan like an hour ago, but I didn't know him.

And that guy, his car, everyone takes a picture of his car. I know. So anytime he's anywhere,

I turn on Instagram, I turn on Instagram, open Instagram. I guess you flip the switch to Instagram.

Yeah. Yeah. And his car is everywhere, right? You know, he always, he always makes the Instagram

Reels. He's got a hundred thousand now, hasn't he? I think it's 90. Just turned over 90,

but yeah, super fun. He's been to like Denver and back since then. He came, yeah, he left,

he went back Saturday. Yeah, I think he sent me a picture from the road, right? It was 9,000 and

nine. Wow. Or sorry, 90,000 and nine. It's not quite. So funny. Boots or something or whatever,

but it's, you know, it's pretty impressive. Well, and Dan, and I mean, that's what's so insane

is that I, you know, my official address is Seattle. Dan's is Colorado and we run into

each other at Crystal Cove regularly. Yeah. I don't know what you do with that, but

some people have it figured out, I think. And I'm still working on it myself.

So another event that was taking place in Southern California last weekend started

with a damp outlook, didn't it? The air water started with more water. What was going on?

Yeah, everybody was calling it like, okay, when, you know, it's just water, water this time.

It was, it was cool in the morning and then it started spitting and it was like, all right, well,

and then just real downpour. So it definitely, you know, it drove people inside. The nice thing

about the fairgrounds is that it's a mix of interior and exterior. So especially the, you know,

broad arrows, the auction partner, and they have a big auction room where they hold it. So you could

get in there and stay dry, be comfortable. And I actually got to go to the auction preview on

Friday and just check everything out, which was nice because it's quieter. There's fewer people

and you can really see the cars. And like, I got to catch up with some of the broad arrow and

Hagerty people. And yeah, I mean, it was a good mix this year. They had a real 906, which was one

of the cars that was featured in Ford versus Ferrari. Okay. And, but my favorite favorite was

an 87 dark blue turbo with like a marine and beige leather interior. I could not get enough of this

car. And I thought, yeah, it was non-metallic. So just a 3.6 or something? Is this like a really

special? I think it was just a regular turbo. I mean, those are special, obviously, but 3.6

would have been later, I guess, 964, but yeah, it was, I mean, I just like it kept drawing me back

to it. Like I'd go to walk away and I'd realize I had walked back to this car. I mean, it was just

stunning, but that that was it about the car, the color, was it the color was what drew me in. And

it was a non-metallic blue. Oh, interesting. There and then the next day at Auto Kennel,

there was a 996 dark blue turbo. So that was the energy of my weekend was flat, you know,

non-metallic navy turbos, I guess. But yeah, just it's just such a beautiful body style. It was

very like it was a color still, but it was understated. And it just like it really spoke to me.

I mean, it seemed like you could just sort of be under the radar. It's very car enthusiast.

You know, you could just drive it and you could kind of you could get attention if you wanted to,

but you could also just if you know, you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was a good mix of that.

Yeah. And then they had a yellow GT4 RS, which was beautiful. They had a silver Carrera GT, you

know, those are always stunning to see. Another favorite was I don't know if you remember a few

years ago, Porsche redid one of the Carrera GTs, like took it down to the metal, took everything

apart and redid it so that it was as if they had built it, you know, like three or four years ago.

No, but it would be. And they finished it in this color that is it's a little it's a it's

slightly less bright than like a Miami or Mexico blue. They called it speedster blue. Okay. And it

was very like it was all over, you know, social media at the time. Broad Arrow auctioned it then,

but it was actually there too. Wow. Okay. It was up for sale again. So I got to see it again.

This is familiar now. This is coming back to me. Yeah, it's it was a unique story.

They had a 911 E, which is like that's kind of a cool story. They had a roof. And then I don't

know if you remember the story of that. I think it was a speedster that Jerry Seinfeld had bought

that turned out to have some, you know, it was the Franken car, the Eurasian green. So they had an

an 01 Eurasium green Carrera four with that's what was interesting this time is a lot of the cars

in the auction had really unique interiors. So it was fun. There's a fiend here. Yeah. Yeah, they

picked up on that at RetroMobile. And right, it was like a little more visual interest. You know,

there was one really beautiful red 911 and it had the interior was a mix of this like red and black

houndstooth and then tan leather, which was a really interesting combination, you know, drew in

the red from outside. And this Eurasium green one had this beautiful green and blue plaid interior.

So it was just a lot of interest, like when you got up to the cars to drew you in even further.

Didn't Porsche just announce that they're bringing Pasha back is like a standard option.

It's an extra. It's not standard. It's an extra, but sure. Right. But it's not available.

It's like $8,000 or something. You know, worth it. When I saw Eric and Amity, she had a shirt on

a blouse that was Pasha and it took me a second to realize like, Oh my God, that's

I know what that is. Yeah, sly sly. Yeah, you were staring at her blouse for five minutes trying

to work it out. Right. I was gonna say eye to eye for five minutes. And then I happened to, you

auction, was it successful? Did most cars sell? I don't. I haven't seen actually. Yeah. What did

you buy? No, I mean, I was sorely tempted. But oh, but what I was gonna say is it was fun to go

to the preview on Friday and then get to walk around the grounds a little bit too, because they

had a 935 that was in one of their, you know, their iconic kind of platform displays. And

they also had the AO racing, Rexie and Roxy dinosaur Porsches, which are those are my

daughter's favorite we let go. So I got to see those up close before the event. And yeah, I mean,

it was fun. Well, you know, you know, got to see Trent Abbott, which is always a treat like

he's hilarious. And then Paul Kramer was there, Matt Farrah. So Saturday, it was nice in the

morning. I got there really early and then started to rain. But before it started raining,

we got to see Matt Farrah, Sarah Trimble, and then Peter Brotman, who is a friend of mine that I

saw at RetroMobile. So that was really fun. And he was just about to go on the Cal Mille. So he's

going to have some more stories from the grand. So yeah, yeah, he's awesome. He's his Mura is my

daughter's favorite car. Awesome. He's a good car. Well, because yeah, I mean, it's almost like the

people are the best part, right? Like with anything, right? It's it's the cars are just the

kind of Well, and with the rain, it's sort of illustrated that even more because like it dampened

it a little bit in the sense that you couldn't just move freely. You had to be a little more

strategic, but it also didn't really because you're running into people. You know, I saw Dan

McGinnis again. We had talked about it. He was going to be there. But my two favorite cars that

they are, I should say four, two favorite displays, they had two of the GT3RR, the Rensport version

that they debuted at the last Rensport at Laguna Seca. So they had two of those. One was full carbon

and one was this really beautiful blue, you know, graphic, livery, gorgeous. And then on the other

side of the wall, they had a liquid cooled car. And then have you heard of the artist? It's Joshua

Vitas and he does the black. It's a white background and then black, like it makes he makes the cars

look like drawings, like a cartoon car. Yeah, yeah. They had one of his cars there. And I had seen,

you know, pictures and articles like Derek Powell wrote an article about them. And it's the videos

I'd seen, you know, you see somebody get in and they start to drive it and it's like an optical

illusion. You're having to tell yourself, it's a real car because of the effect and the impact it

has. So they had one of those and it was really cool. Very cool. So air water, is this like, is

this something that you feel like you need to go to every year? Is this like, you know, because

you can only do so many things each year, right? Is this? I think it is because it's one of the

few that's actually in Orange County. Okay. And, you know, I've known some of the people on the

team over the years. And so that was I wanted to go and support my friends, obviously. And,

you know, in the broad arrow and the Hagerty team, I know a lot of that team as well. So it's also,

again, going back to the people, like it's a good way to see a bunch of people that are not

normally in the same place all together and catch up, which is really nice. But yeah, I mean,

it's really nice because a lot of the events do take place in LA, which is still accessible

for me, but it's much more of a drive, like to be able to go 15 minutes down the road and be at

this one. You know, and I went last year with my parents and my daughter and we had a great time.

And I think that speaks to the event because my parents' focus is more Ford and Shelby.

And they left and they said, that was delightful. Like it was really fun. They put together good

displays and the people. Well, I like the new stuff too. Like, you know, I like the old stuff,

but I also like the new stuff, right? Yeah. It's what I buy, right? Well, and they had what was

cool this year. And I don't remember if they had this last year, but they had a Myers-Manks display

in the mix, which was really fun. And they had, there you go.

Yes, magazine here. Yeah, which is, well, and that was a recreation of a magazine cover from the

80s. That photo, it was a Carmen Gia. If you can't, yeah, if you're not watching the video,

apparently a few of you do, last week where there wasn't a video, but there is, it's the latest

DeVance magazine and there's like a guy in a BMX bike. I don't know about 12 feet up in the air

flying over a Myers-Manks with a man in the Myers-Manks who looks as amazed as he does,

afraid, but it's a great show. It's a great photography, isn't it? Yeah, it really is.

Yeah. So that one, you know, Ryan, you got to go to Bassam's book launch with Myers-Manks. And so

it's, again, I mean, we always say the car world is so connected people-wise and even all the

vehicles are so connected. So they had their bus, which was also featured in Ford versus Ferrari

in the background. And then they had three Manx, one had a radial engine, one had the

four cam Porsche engine, and then one had the VW. Cool, cool. And yeah, I mean, it's so fun. I got

to meet Mike from Manx and then Matt was there and he's getting his radial. And so then he came

over and they were talking about it. Yeah, we got to see his- A little story. Yeah. And we got to

see his spec and it's in process. So yeah, it was just really fun. You just realize how important

sound is in a car, right? And I just can't imagine what that sound right behind your head

must be, right? I mean, you're like a red baron or something. I know. That engine

in a vehicle that light, that's got to be a hell of an experience for sure. Absolutely.

Shall I bring us back to reality for a little while? We have to. It's a fun idea.

I think it's, you know, we get all these great experiences, but also they want advice,

they want insights. And they came here, right? I mean, I guess our heads are in the clouds.

A last chance to loon. That's the car show. So I had a dilemma this week. I was down in LA for

business meetings and I got to the rental car lot. And I want to know what you guys would do.

I'll explain my process afterwards, but you get to the car lot. Yeah, you get to the rental car lot

and they say, right, here's your row and you can pick any car from the row.

And the row was right near the front. So it means it wasn't a great row.

These are the sort of cars. Immediately no. I'm lucky it wasn't.

It's funny how we all understood. Yeah, but it was like new look to me and said, yeah, just yeah.

And it was like no walk at all, right? But the row consisted of a few cars and I'll name them

and tell me like, which would you pick? What's the one that really, you know, you would go for

or maybe even fight someone else with their luggage. This is not the president's circle.

Okay, this is a rental car cage match going on. Maybe we can make the next UFC millions out of

that, right? So the cars were, and I say cars, they're kind of more like mini SUVs, the Hyundai

Kona. Okay. Okay. The Chevrolet Equinox. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, right. I have a story about that.

The Jeep Compass. Yeah, also, no, the Kia Sportage. Yeah, that's that's sounding better in this

in this group. Like cheese. The Ford Escape or the Nissan Rogue. So man, that is like a

what was the last one? A Rogue? A Nissan Rogue. It's like a Rogue's Gallery, right? Yeah, this

is this is like the Rogue's Gallery. It's like, this is the one I must really like,

careful here, right? Because two weeks before I went to Enterprise, and I'd used points and I'd

booked myself a Corvette, and I ended up driving off the parking lot in a brand new 911. So

Enterprise are great. Just this week, I was on a budget. Right. Well, yeah, sometimes you hit it

and sometimes you don't. I will say, I was just talking to someone who has a Kona and had had

an EV before that, and was raving about it. She said, for what it is, it's very simple. It gets

me around. It charges quickly. It's comfortable. You know, it's it does a good job. I do the Kona

in that group too. Yeah, I've driven it. I've driven every other one of those. It's my process

of elimination. Kona it is. Yeah, I know as well. I would, I would take the Kona. I did have a Jeep

Compass. I mean, in 2015, as a rental car. And I had a little bit of a I think I have a soft spot

because I had a little bit of a final destination moment in that car where traffic suddenly came

to a stop and I looked in the review mirror and there was a semi fish trailing towards me from

behind it. And I was able to get myself out of it. So the Compass, you know, did its job.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. So would you go for the Compass or would you go for? I think I would go for the

Kona because I would want to try something new. Interesting. Do you want to break down why each

one of those models is awful? We've got enough time on the podcast, definitely. But let me explain

my process again. So how did this all shake out? Well, I landed in LA and it's sunny.

It is. As I'm walking along the line, the first thing I'm looking for is a sunroof.

I actually don't care what badges on the front sunroof and none of them had a sunroof.

So immediately fresh off the 911. Fresh off the 911, which was convertible.

Immediately I rolled out the equinox. I don't know why it just does not appeal to me.

Maybe I'm a brand snob, I don't know, but like that was straight out the window. So then

the Ford Escape, I've got friends who have big engine problems with their Ford escapes.

So I was like, no. I'd actually take the equinox over the escape at this point.

Yeah. I just haven't seen one of the current gen. Like I drove one of the first generations

for a bit and I used to joke that it was made of Legos and I love Legos.

Yeah. Those first generation ones were kind of cool. The boxy ones, but now they're just like

they're, they're like, they were just super light. Like there wasn't a whole lot to it,

you know, not, no pickup. Are we still talking escape here? Yeah. Yeah. Not much escape in the

escape. I once took one of those first generations off-roading and ripped off the whole underbody

and I returned it and no one was the wiser. So I don't know if I do that in a new escape though.

That's a little too cross over then. That was in 2004, right? Oh, you're good.

Maybe earlier. Yeah. Back to the, yeah. Was it an escape we took to Pikes Peak?

No, that was an edge. That was an edge. Not a terrible car in this company. Yeah. That's yeah.

The edges are good. Yeah. So the equinox was out. The escape was out. The sportage was out.

I'd had rogues before and I thought, well, what's going to be the most comfortable to sleep in?

We're the buzzer, Ryan. We need our own.

But I went for the, I went for the Jeep just because, you know, it's, it's a known quantity.

It's relatively comfortable. Right. You know, it was not terrible. Yeah. It was fine.

Yeah. It did the job great. These are like, these are like threes, right? For cars though,

all of them, right? It was like a row three. It's like better than, slightly better than nothing.

What was it in plane strains and automobiles and you couldn't get a rental car and he's like,

I'll take a Datsun. I'll take a Toyota. I'll take a Ford. I'll take anything, right? I mean,

that's, these are those cars, right? Yeah. Just need to get somewhere.

Right. Your case is a very important business meeting.

A really important business meeting. But yeah, so there's no wrong answer, right? I mean,

the only thing is getting you ready to be these days. Modern cars are good, but yeah.

But it, yeah, I mean, it's always interesting. Like sometimes you really hit it like with your

911 and sometimes you don't with the rental cars. I mean, I had one a couple of years ago

in Monterey, I was chatting with the rental, with the counter agent. Oh, I see. Are you the cutest

rental travel agent in the world? I bet you get that all the time.

But I got, I ended up getting a brand new forerunner with only nine.

Well, there we go. Nice. I have yet to get a forerunner from a rental counter.

Well, and then when I went back for Rensport that year, the guy was still there and I

thanked him. I said it was so, you know, really made the week. And he's like, well,

I don't have that one, but I do have another one. Would you like it again? Yes, I would.

Nice. Nice. Nice. This one's a TRD pro. Right. No, the first one was.

She'll work her magic and charm. Right. Right. This is why we all need to travel together.

Yeah. Eli at the Hertz counter in Monterey. Eli, what's up, Eli?

You know, Eli probably listening, so. Right. Obviously. So I had to say hi.

He's managing now. He's got all the forerunners.

She got fired after slipping these forerunners to all the pretty ladies.

Custom the rental company. Right. Shoot. Oh, man. That's a good time.

Yeah. Rental cars. It's a weird lottery. Well, if you've flown into Monterey,

like for car week, it's a tiny airport. Right. Like, you know, maybe that's,

it's in notoriously bad rental cars because they're just like, yeah, beaten to crap. And,

you know, yeah, lots of threes. I think they step it up for car week. Yeah.

Not for me. They had, there was a Maserati. Oh, there was.

Yeah. It's calling. I actually think that Eli was showing Lindsay a different part

of the parking lot to where we went. Yeah. That was just somebody's car.

No, you guys. Yeah. I think we got the budget end of the car. Right. Right.

But yeah, car rentals. What can you do? I've got an English phrase when I go to my check-in at

the car rental. And I just say, have you got anything fun? And usually they kind of go,

okay, well, this person might be a car person. Let's see what we can find out for them.

Well, aren't you pulling the, I'm a car journalist thing like I did?

I'm not as well published as you, Ryan. Five, five articles I'm up to. Come on.

What point is it official? But I think you should slide over one of those new stickers.

And those. Yeah. But yeah, I work with Ryan Barkley.

You may have heard of a little show called that car show.

I don't know if you know, I'm kind of a big deal.

Yeah. Also, I'm British. Parish notes and all the rest.

The adventures in car rentals continue. Watch out for the next instalment.

Sorry. Also, do you have anything fun as a Britishism?

I don't know if it is or not, but it kind of feels like the person at the car rental place is like,

oh, maybe this person's a car post. Maybe more of a car, like the surprise and delight or something.

I'll let you know how that goes. Well, let's just throw down, this is a challenge, right?

The next time we travel, okay, fly to an airport or something, get a rental car,

who can come back with the best rental car without paying extra?

Yes. Without. That's the key. Okay. So it's an ongoing challenge.

Yeah. So it might not be, you know, I'm not going anywhere tomorrow, but, you know,

maybe next month or maybe next month. That makes one of us. No.

And we need to make sure that Eli is not included in this.

Or else we're going to lose straight away, right?

I can't use, I can't leverage my resources.

Well, Eli, I'll never forget that name now. That's a good one.

Yeah. Well, he was so nice, you know, and yeah, just super helpful. And it really did.

I mean, because it was a brand new car practically. And, you know, you hear things about forerunners,

especially the first gen, like underpowered or whatever. This one was perfect all the way around.

Eli will see you in August, buddy. Yeah. I love it.

First to see him. I test drove a car last week. Oh, what did you drive?

So, you know, sometimes you kind of look at a car and you're like,

I wonder if it drives as it looks. Yeah. And I managed to get my keys, the keys too.

And I don't know, we should use a buzzer here because it's me saying it, not you Lindsay,

but the Bronco Raptor. Oh, wow. Or the Braptor.

And it's a divisive, divisive car, divisive. Okay, so what did you think, Dan?

Yeah, so my expectations were incredibly high. I told a couple of friends that I was going to

test it and both of them said exactly the same thing. Individually.

It's too big. Yeah, it's too big for you. You won't like it. It's too big.

So were you test driving it with an eye to possibly purchasing one,

or was it just the opportunity to drive it? Yeah, so just what Dan does for fun.

Yeah. I mean, me too. That's why I'm clarified.

So I was thinking about swapping in the Audi and the Corolla and getting one do-it-all car.

Yeah. So it's something that has performance that you can take the top off and, you know,

can store your tires, all that sort of, I'm not sure whether you get the tires from the Bronco

in the Bronco because they're not on the Raptor. Yeah. So it's almost like a Lambo Rambo Lambo

size. Yeah. Yeah. Like massive. So anyway, I went to the dealer and I'd specifically asked for a

used Bronco Raptor to test drive. I get there and the dealer has the brand new car waiting for me.

So clearly he's already thinking about the upsell. Right. So I'm like,

how many miles have you got on this thing? I'm really happy to drive the used one.

And he's like, oh, no, it's here now. So we get out to the car park. And this thing was, yeah,

you have to climb up into it. And Lindsay, you drove one of the... I did. I had a lot of show

when we were there. Yeah. Yeah. So you literally, you almost need to take some crampons with you to

get into this thing because it's so high. So that was the first thing. I didn't realize how high they

are. And you then get in it and it's very familiar, Ford controls, paddles, all that sort of stuff.

You've got all sorts of extra buttons for auxiliary things like lights, etc. But you're

pretty high up. You're kind of truck level high up there. So took it down the road.

My expectations were that this thing was going to really, really rip. And it didn't really, really

rip. And it did not. No. I mean, you think that because it's got the Raptor brand associated

with it. And it was nippy, but it wasn't like, I was kind of like hoping for a kind of, holy

shit, this is quick, right? Right. Like put your hair back. Well, it's not 500 horsepower. It's like

470 or something, right? It's not crazy. It's a V6, isn't it? They didn't put a V8 in it because

it wouldn't fit. Right. But the V6's are faster than the V8's, if I'm not mistaken.

Is it the V6? Is it the EcoBoost? I'm not sure. Now you're testing me. I remember it was a V6.

I don't even know what EcoBoost means, honestly. I think it's just the turbo, right?

Yeah. That's just, that's the name that they came up with for the V6 turbo engine.

Ecologically boosted. Yeah. That's what's in my truck. Okay. Yeah. So I don't know if it was,

but anyway, so this thing, it didn't rip like I wanted it to rip. It didn't, I can imagine it

handles really well in the sand. You know, I can imagine that you just don't realize that you're

going over sand, et cetera. Which I hear about not at all. Right. And how often do you find sand

at the car park, right? Right. I hate to admit it to Jeff Lincoln and everyone else that told me,

but it was just too big. But is that because it's the Raptor and you like extra wide or

would the standard Bronco, because you can't get the Raptor with the manual, right? But you can

the regular Bronco. Correct. But the width, it's got extra width. Even with the standard is, it's

just okay. Because in my mind's eye, they're closer to like a Wrangler, but I guess they're not. I've

never driven one. The Raptors are, there's, they have a volume to them because of the,

the additional, just everything, and the tires and everything, everything is, it's like jet puffed

a little bit. So last week, it was constipated. This week is just like me. Love it. Absolutely love

it. Stay puffed. Marshmallow Bronco. I can imagine. If you're in Montana, or if you're

somewhere like where there is a lot of space, I can imagine it's a great car. Yeah. But yeah,

it just wasn't. Well, and if you're, you know, when you look at where you're going to be driving it,

you don't want to have to pause at parking garages. Right. Right. Right. You know,

yeah. You want to be on Menden fences and that thing. Right. Well, and that's, I know it's

interesting, Jen, because I know we talked about it at the time. And I was also very excited to

try it out and had high expectations. And that was probably one of the most interesting car test

drive days for me because I drove the F 150 Lightning, the Brapter, the Explorer ST, and then

the Mach E GT. And if I had had to rank them ahead of time, probably the Bronco and the Lightning

would have been tied in what I expected to be first. And then the Explorer and then the Mach E.

And the Mach E was my favorite and the Bronco was my least favorite.

And what's a Bronco? What's a Brapter go for? It was about 70, 80?

It's a bit weird at the minute. I didn't even want to answer that, but

no, I don't know. Actually, so to counteract the tariffs, Ford are doing something called

employee pricing. Yeah. So in essence, you're getting, I think, between 15 and 20% off.

Okay. But also, yeah, these cars aren't selling. So, yeah, so there are bigger deals to be had

on these things. So I think you could pick a new one up for probably about 85.

Okay. But an MSRP would be about 100. Okay. And there's a lot available at that price point,

as we know. And I think that's maybe the thing working against it the most. I mean,

you're talking about, I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're getting close to,

what's a Jeep wagon started? The Jeep has the, what do you call it? Is it the 392?

Yeah. So that would be also like kind of panned though, like people never really got crazy about

those. But I think people like that because it is a V8, right? Versus the V6. You know,

you could have something very quick from Porsche. Yeah. I'm sorry. The G-Wagen starts at $148,000.

So nearly double. Okay. Yeah. Ryan's ability to stay with the common people is drifting about

slowly. Hashtag unrelatable. Well, I've never priced the basic, you know, the base G-Wagen.

It's the G63 or nothing. Well, and I will say when I did the women's off-road day at Dirtfish

with Avants, there were several brafters there and they were amazingly capable. Like they chewed

up the course. The people had so much fun driving them. They looked really cool. So I think it's

one of those two where they do look cool. They're really designed to be off-road and that kind of

thing. And so when you drive it on the street, it's a little neutered. You're not really fully

experiencing what it's been designed to do. Yeah. But that's tricky because if you're buying,

if you're going to have one car, you're going to be driving it in context that it wasn't necessarily

driven for if it's a purpose-designed vehicle like that. Yeah. And you want to be able to

enjoy it, especially people like us. Right. I do not have an assistant. I have to type my questions

in. You'll get there one day, Ryan. I believe in you.

Yeah. I'm sorry. Now I'm punching in G550 prices and talking about Gulfstreams and that's a whole

other. But according to this, Namg is only 40,000 more. So why limit yourself to the G550? Just

saying. I'm hauling. I mean, while we're at it, that's pretty funny. Well, and one thing, I mean,

speaking of like crazy cars, there was one last little footnote I wanted to say about

all of my visits to Crystal Cove. I met a group of young kids. I mean, they're probably 18-ish,

but young as far as compared to me. But you know, there's a big discussion and we've all talked

about this, about like our kids interested in cars these days and kids not getting their licenses

and whatever. And these kids were so fun and so enthusiastic, just like true car people.

One of them was named Kendall and she has a Supra that's wrapped half and half hot pink and

matte black. And she ended up walking us around the car and showing us all the little Easter eggs

and they had put, you know, stickers under the wrap and then they put the wrap on. So it looks

like it's embossed. Wow. And just super cool. And then one of her friends has a Mercedes convertible

that's covered in purple Muppet hair. Oh boy. So very distinctive. Yeah, good on them. Good on

them. I know. They were just, you know, and then, yeah, it was, it was very fun and very,

you know, good to see like, okay, the next generation is alive and well and kids are

still in the car. Yeah, absolutely. 100%, 110%. Yeah. Yeah, super fun. And then we saw him the

that was the thing. So we saw it Saturday and they're like, it's a little dirty from the rain.

It had gotten rain. That's all the fur was kind of depleted. I mean, do you use like detergent

that like laundry detergent? Conditioner. Yeah, from getting, you know, dry. Come on. But yeah,

so car girl Kendall with a K, she was very cool. Yeah, and they were about to swap out the

kids are all right, aren't they? Exactly. The kids are all right. Whoo. Have we got a show title

in that? Yeah, maybe I use that once for the road. The kids are all right. And

and Muppet Mercedes. Yeah, Muppet hair. I think we're at a show on me. Thanks. I think we are.

What do you think, Ryan? We, uh, Oh, we can keep talking on the

I'm all hopped up on any beers. I mean, at least a half a case of non-alcoholic beer left. What

am I supposed to do with it? Well, no, he's going to knock three of those over at least.

Two down one to go for our listeners. Let us know where else we should introduce the buzzer. I'm

Chris McCove. I mean, we could end up with a show that's just buzzer, buzzer, buzzer.

For every time I spill a beer. Yeah. Well, it's like, you know, John and Justin had to do that AI

show. We might we're like, we may have to fall back on just a show that's an entirely the buzzer

if we have an issue. Well, noises. We'll get that. So that's a show I think who is going to leave us

with our famous catchphrase. Ryan, would you like to? Yeah, this is that car show. Always be

driving until next time. Excellent. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. We'll see everybody next week.

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unlike anything I'd seen before. It was kind of like every car crush I'd ever had all rolled up

into one, but it wasn't derivative. It wasn't overwrought. And it wasn't an homage. It was a

truly original modern hypercar, one pure form and one that really connected with me emotionally,

which makes sense because the car's creator Sasha has one hell of a resume. Born in Tbilisi,

Georgia, Sasha moved to California at the age of 17. And after attending Art Center College of

Design, Sasha was hired by the Volkswagen Group, where he was part of the Lamborghini Huracan

team and designed the exterior of the incredible Bugatti Chiron. He later go on to Genesis before

becoming head of design at Koenigsegg, where he was responsible for both the Jamira and the CC850.

But back to the Nelu, because its specs are truly impressive. A hot VV12 engine that makes a thousand

horsepower, over a thousand horsepower at 11,000 RPM, which is incredible, a top speed of 250 miles

an hour, zero to 60 in under three seconds, of course. And oh, it's got a gated manual. It's a

burn your village. So it's that car show. And today it's just me, Dan and Lindsay are off doing

amazing things, but I'm doing something even better. I'm here with Sasha himself. So Sasha,

you've been on top gear, the smoking tire motor trend, the list goes on. It's great to have you

join us here on that car show. Welcome. It's my pleasure, Ryan. Thank you very much for this

incredibly kind intro. I'm blushing already. Well, hopefully I got all the facts correct.

But it's great to have you. I'm a big fan of your work. And so what is the Sasha story?

Where did this need to create, this drive to create come from?

No, I just thought I think most of the kids are kind of born with it. But the society, the

warm embrace of the parenting home and experiences in school kind of

stifled the creativity and killed the dreams a little bit for most kids.

But in my case, I was very fortunate. I had the environment and speaking of my family right now

that really nurtured that obsession of mine and made sure that a lot of compromises, sacrifices,

and effort was invested into supporting me on that journey. So I think I was just lucky like that.

Yeah. You were one of those kids, I'm sure, that had the posters on the wall and all the rest.

What was on your wall as a kid? What were you drawn to?

I think that part of my kind of, part of my motivation right now and part of the intensity

that I feel when it comes to sports cars really takes roots in how, in a way, depraved my childhood

was because growing up in final death rows of Soviet Union in Georgia, either the best car

you could see out in the streets was a lot of Niva, which is actually a really cool car. But

that was the best. You would never see an import. You would never see a sports car.

Those things only existed in rare kind of magazine clippings that I could find somewhere.

The fact that I never was exposed to those cars, although I dreamed of them daily, but I never

had the opportunity to actually hold on to them in any meaningful way, that hunger and that

fascination is what really fueled me throughout my life. I'm still weak in my knees when I see

something exciting on the road and jump out of my car and run after it like a total adolescent.

I love that you still do that. Glad I'm not the only one.

Most recently, I most recently was driving somewhere in Hollywood and there was an F40 parked

facing the wrong way on the road. So I am driving seeing all those back ends and all of a sudden

first, I don't know, not even a parking spot, just bio hydrants and then ran out and started

taking pictures and spent half the afternoon just sitting there on the curb looking at the car.

You can't help it. It's an obsession from early days. And F40 was on the bed on the road.

Yeah, yeah. It's one of the greats truly, isn't it? Yeah, I still get a little weak in the knees

whenever I see one too. You got a car week and you see them everywhere and it's just surreal,

right? It's just surreal. At that point in time, it gets like this experience of,

you know, like if you have all these craft beers, by the time you're on your fifth one,

you really can't tell. Like if you did it, it's like the ride. That's the car week experience in

the nutshell. It's always saturating for my senses. I love that analogy. Yeah. So,

Tbilisi, like a beautiful part of the world, but obviously it was a real culture shift moving to

a city like Los Angeles at 17. So you had spent your form of years in this former Russian Republic

and now you're in Los Angeles. And I mean, your head must have just exploded, right? With everything

you saw and experienced. Not quite, I would say, because first of all, from Tbilisi, my family moved

to Moscow when I was nine years old. So I spent between my nine-year-old and my 17-year-old self.

It was Moscow. And Moscow is a really bustling metropolis with more intensity, more New York

than LA if you had to draw a parallel there. So for me coming to LA from Moscow, definitely exciting.

Car culture is amazing. Climate was wonderful. Plenty of experiences that were, you know,

kind of impressive, but I was missing a little bit of the intensity of the big city in the New

York kind of way. So that was a culture shock, obviously, also because it was my first time

having to speak English from morning to evening, never having the opportunity to switch back to

the comfort of my native language. And yeah, I still remember it was a massive culture shock,

but not because of the size of the city. Yeah, okay, interesting. Yeah, yeah. You know,

and I bumped into you a couple of times. I think the first time last year at the LA Auto Show,

where your car was front and center, first time I saw the car in the flesh and was just really,

really floored by it. But I bumped into you again recently at Car Week at the Hagerty House,

I guess, what they call it. And you gave this really insightful presentation into your design

philosophy. And I guess what I really appreciated about it was your complete lack of pretense,

like in a, in a week of lots of smoke and mirrors, sometimes literally, you know,

you really cut to the chase and you almost made it sound like the secret to car design is actually

very simple. I think it is. I don't know. I do believe that we overthink things too much sometimes.

And the first impulse is more often right than we give it credit for. So yeah, it's over complicated.

It's driven by too many cooks in the same kitchen quite often. There's too many interests at play.

The investments are so large, you know, nowadays to bring a mainstream production car to the road

is, you know, maybe even north of a billion dollars. So when the investment is that high

for a road car program, you inevitably have a whole bunch of different stakeholders in the game.

And very often the designer is kind of the receiving point of all the different conflicting

feedback. So then it's up to you and it's on your shoulders to make sense of it somehow.

And again, very often the designer is relatively narrow minded. So they only have, you know,

they just want to focus on making something quote unquote pretty, and they don't fully embrace the

complexity of the process. So it is both simpler and more difficult. I don't know how else to

summarize it requires certain amount of certain amount of intelligence. And if you have that

intelligence, then hopefully it's a good place to start. You broke it down into some some components.

And one of them was seat shape and seat design, which I thought was really interesting, right?

And I think as you said, at most car seats kind of look the same, right? And but the body's not

built like that. Plus, you need to sort of lower the roof of the car, the center of gravity and

all that. Can you go into that a little bit about how important seat design is? Because

the human like our body really becomes part of the of the unit, the functional unit, right?

Once you're in the car. Yeah, that's a very interesting point. Obviously spent a long

time thinking about it. And generally speaking, when you're working with established car companies

and OEMs, you have ergonomic sections that are being given to you. So you can't actually be

creative when it comes to changing some of the ergonomic requirements that the company has,

like DW has very strict curves that are already predefined for human comfort and for human safety.

So if you deviate from those curves, you'll be approached by the engineering team and they'll

tell you, yeah, your design isn't compliant. Please make sure you respect these tried and tested,

decades old, matured through generations, comfort sections, we won't accept any deviation.

And I was actually at Conex the first time I realized this stuff is up for grabs. Christian

had some wonderful ideas when it came to human ergonomics. And I realized, wow, I mean, he's so

creative when it comes to these topics that were taboo in my previous life. And I kind of took that

as a challenge for myself to also think outside these, you know, regulated boxes and be creative.

Obviously, safety is, you know, top concern. So we will, I will never do anything that compromises

that. But when it comes to some of those comfort sections, they are built along straight lines,

like the seat back, for example, in most passenger cars is a straight line. And that's not what our

spine looks like. So creating a shape that accommodates the spine more is both more comfortable

and eventually lowers the head a tiny bit, and you are packaging a bit tighter around the head.

And you're getting, in my mind, a sports car anyway, should feel a little bit like a tightly

fitted glove. You kind of want that tailor made feel in that interior. And the areas that you

come into contact with with your body, let's say, you know, with your elbows, with your knees,

with your hands, obviously, they should be designed as literal offsets of your body parts so that you

have that cocooning effect and the feeling of purpose built interior, other parts that are

more about, you know, making inputs into the vehicle, toggle switches, shifter, all those

other things, they need to provide both the haptic and the touch feedback to you. So you really need

that click back, you really need that cold touch to understand that you're not on the,

you know, your hands aren't on the leather anymore, they are on something that controls

mechanical function of the car. So I want that cold touch to come back to you at that point.

There's a lot of thinking that goes into designing an interior very far away from just

drawing lines and coming up with cool things. That's not it. You really have to think through the

user, through the driver's perspective, what is the experience that they're about to have,

both from the external point of view, approaching the car, getting into the car, being in front

of the wheel for the first time, your first eight seconds as Etienne, who is my wonderful

friend and interior designer, says first eight seconds are the clear kind of yay or nay decision

point for the potential buyer. But then how does this thing live with you throughout your life?

Are you going to be looking to sell it in six months because it is a pain and you're not comfortable

with the experience or is every new opportunity to drive the car, you know, making you fall deeper

in love with it? And it really is gratifying on all those levels, both the first wow factor,

as well as, you know, the decision making point, but then the life with the product and learning

something new. It's like every relationship, you really need to create those experiences and layer

them and sometimes even hide them so they come through later down the road. And yeah, seatback

is part of it. Sorry, I'm going to deviate it now. Well, you mentioned the tactile and I don't

think there's a screen in your car, is there? No, well, we have one screen, which is the rear

view mirror, the central mirror just in the cabin here, because the firewall is, there's no

transparency there and the engine bay has this massive top facing exhaust, so you wouldn't see

anything out the back anyway. So we do have one screen, and it's the only screen that I'm personally

comfortable with in a super sports car. The last thing you want to do is while you're driving,

have to kind of look away and fiddle with something on the screen. So that mirror is all you get.

Okay, interesting, interesting. And you mentioned Etienne Salome as his name and I think you worked

with him on the Chiron, yeah? Yeah, he was the interior head and I was the exterior head,

so we were sharing that responsibility. And later on, he became one of my best friends,

but also joined me on a bunch of other adventures, including a periodic work at Connick's Egg.

While I was heading up, design there, Etienne was one of the contributors. And then with Nelu,

the interior was, again, us sort of working together and him driving that very much, but I

also had a strong hand in it, obviously, being my brand. Sure, sure. One of the things in the

interior, I think, that I've seen is the wheel is pretty small, right? So the dials right are

offset right to the left and right and things like that. I mean, everything's considered and

just appreciate that. Something else I really appreciate is wheel design. And I know when I

saw you at the Hagerty house, there was a question and answer session, and there were only a handful

of us journalists types. And so the pressure was kind of on to ask a good question. And I asked

about wheel design, because on the Nelu, it's a simple design. It obviously works very well.

It's beautiful, but it's not overwrought, right? Again, it looks the way it does, because I think

you said it was how a wheel looks when you make it as strong and as light as possible. And that's

the result you get. Is that right? They kind of capture that? In a nutshell, you definitely did.

So wheels are incredibly important for vehicle performance. They're obviously on sprung weight.

They also generate quite a lot of rotational energy. So they're in a way like a gyroscope. So

a wheel that is spinning at 200 or 300 or 400 kilometers per hour is an incredible amount

of energy stored in that rotation. So the more mass that wheel has, the more complicated it is for

the suspension to do its job. The more complicated it is to get good steering feel, because obviously

it doesn't want to change direction. It continues spinning in the plane of rotation and doesn't

want to be changed. So light weight is crucial for wheels. That is really part of not only weight

saving in terms of just numbers game, but also the outright driving experience benefits a lot

from your wheels being wider. So you can run algorithms these days that generate wheels with,

if you input the parameters of the material that you'll be using, if it's a composite,

or if it's a forged, or the methods of production, and you get shapes that are

lightest for that input, for that material, for that vehicle weight, for that driving kind of

scenario, you get designs out of predictive software. So technically you should be just

taking those, producing them, and your job's done. But of course, as a designer, there is an

aesthetic value to it. And I do believe that form following function delivers most of that value,

but you still should do your homework a little bit, making things neat. And a classic five spoke

is one of the simplest and most efficient shapes when it comes to distributing the load paths

and providing the right rigidity and strength and lightweight. So starting with a five spoke

made sense. And then I wanted to keep the face of it as clean as possible, so you don't actually

see the complications. And this is also part of the way I like to tell stories. I don't like when

things are all at once, statement intensity, just thrown at you, right? I want to create

a step ladder where you appreciate the design thinking, oh, it's a simple five spoke wheel,

probably seen something like that before, but you get close and you're like, oh, but not quite.

And then, and then you look at it from, from, you know, closer up and then you see that, oh,

it's all cross drilled and there's so much weight saving going on. And there's all these crazy

angles that the drilling is happening from the CNC machining. So they must have come up with

intricate new ways of accessing those angles too. So the more you know, and the closer you get,

the more you appreciate what you see in front of you. While the first read remains instantaneous,

as I call it in the undertales, punch to the gut, you know, you need to deliver that bang.

And you can't, you can't deliver the bang with a lot of like noise. The bang needs to be, you know,

intentional. You're the first car designer spoken with that really almost talks about a car with

a story arc, right? Or is having a story arc, which I appreciate. And speaking of wheels,

it must kill you to see like Cadillacs with these chrome 24 inch wheels, just knowing like how much

those things are hurting the performance of the car, right? I mean, like to every vehicle,

there's different set of guiding principles, you know, for some, for a vehicle that is primarily

just a fashion symbol or something that is just lifestyle choice. Fine. But we're talking about

super sports cars. So there's still that kind of, you know, you need to, you need to deliver on the

performance side as much as you do on the on the aesthetics. So I don't want to necessarily kill off

the entire car culture that is, you know, not necessarily following function per se. There's

so much exciting stuff on the road. And I really just appreciate stuff that makes me stop and think

a little bit, you know, and it could be both really pretty and quite ugly. But I love the kind

of the wow factor that I kind of experienced when I see something that breaks them all a little bit.

Yeah. Well, speaking of that Genesis, I know you were with Genesis for a while. And I think

Genesis has some of the best wheels in the game, maybe, you know, not all performance wheels,

necessarily, but but really doing some different stuff with fractals and all this kind of thing.

Did you have anything to do with that while you were there? Yeah, we did. So maybe you remember

Genesis Ascension, the concept? Yes, absolutely. So that had a pretty wild wheel and that car was

done in my studio. I was responsible for that, for that show car. Fantastic. And the wheel I

still remember because our boss at the time was constantly pushing us to come up with something

even more expressive for the wheels. And I was like, guys, come on, we got to like, this is it,

you know, let's let's just make sure that we produce something that is wild. I still really

wanted the first read because I'm a fan of first read. I think first read is very important.

But the intricacy was taken to really the next level without essential wheels was nuts.

Never done a more complicated wheel in my life. And then we did the mint as well,

which was the follow up show car to the Ascension. That also had a crazy wheel. And I still remember

sitting in Alias and actually building up the wheel myself. That was one of the personal

contributions. I was like, okay, I'll do the wheel. Yeah, that's awesome. A detailer's nightmare,

but a great looking wheel, right? That's the best. Three or four days of work where normally I spent

like, I don't know, half an hour on the wheel, but this was a heavy one. Wow. And you mentioned

you're not a clay model guy, right? You are a computer guy. I don't know, maybe that's just a

generational thing or whatever. But but it does affect the output, doesn't it? I don't think so.

I think that the key kind of guiding parameter that I have for my own output and for my teams

is you shouldn't be able to tell how it was built. Like when someone sees it, like an experienced

tech guy comes up and says, how did you guys do this? They should fully believe that it was done

using their preferred method, you know, their dream approach. They should not be able to tell

how it was done. Because I don't think that the final product should reflect the tools that were

used. The tools should be used to create a perfect product. And you should find tools that do it

for you. But the product should not necessarily headline with the approach that was taken.

That somehow devalues it to my opinion. For example, a 911 rear fender, a clay modeler will

always tell you that's only possible in clay. I can build that in maybe 45 minutes. There's

really no problem with that rear fender. It's two patches, and it's pretty easy to control that

highlight. It is a really beautifully mathematically controllable surface that unfortunately most

alias modelers or most CAD modelers build it not the right way. And then it becomes a very tedious

piece of work. And then the clay guys take advantage because they can do it with their hands and

with their kind of magic. But if you understand the underlying math behind it, it's actually a

very simple shape. Yeah, interesting. So what are some of your pet peeves when you see other cars,

cars that you weren't involved with, right? Whether it's, you know, I don't know, BMW or Tesla or,

you know, what are these? Is this some funky stuff going on? So what are some of your pet peeves?

How much of this is laziness? How much of this is just trying to do something different?

So my main problem with the entire industry as a whole is this complete disconnect between

what the object is supposed to do and what it looks like. So the kind of mental game I play

with myself sometimes is close your eyes, come up to a car, put your hand on any part of that car,

open your eyes and ask yourself, what's this for? And chances are in a large percentage,

there is no purpose. It is just there to create visual fascination, quote unquote,

but it doesn't fascinate me. I just look at it and think, well, why is this thing just stuck on

the car? That has to do with fake exhaust lamps, fake air intakes, fake, I don't know, matte black

moldings or shiny pieces or sometimes they're even placed on the car in a way that defies

function, where you think, well, yeah, I would appreciate a non-scratch surface on the front

bumper, but where you placed it in an undercut where a body color panel is overshadowing it,

it's obviously not going to prevent my bumper from getting scratched. So there is this kind of

substitution of meaning, you know what I mean? Where instead of honesty and design, it's anything

but honesty and design, it's a complete outright lie. So that's what I don't appreciate, but I'm

not ready to pin that on the designers' shoulders and say, yeah, it's because those guys, they don't

know how to do their job. No, it's because of how this industry works. Quick refresh cycles,

constant need to bring something fresh to the market. Two year old car is too old now,

we need a refresh, but we can't invest money into it, so we can't actually just come up with a brand

new design. Let's take it as it is and just stick something on top of it. Just make sure that we

differentiate with low hanging fruit quote and quote, just put something on there that doesn't

cost us that much money. So you're being forced as a designer into the territory that none of us

graduated with dreams of doing these kinds of Christmas tree ornamentations. We all graduated

with dreams of, oh, I'll be like Giorgetto Giugiaro someday or I'll be like Marcello Gandini someday,

but they work in a completely different climate. Right now with the pressure that the corporate

world has upon the design department, yeah, your heart pressed to do your job and stay dignified.

Yeah, yeah. And what's your sort of take on, you know, Jaguar obviously got so much grief

earlier this year with their, it wasn't just a car redesign, it was really a brand overhaul,

right? And I think a lot of us struggled with that because, you know, Jaguar is a legacy brand,

right? There's an expectation for Jaguar. Here you are, clean slate, right? How is that different

designing for a legacy brand versus a brand new entity like Nilo or even Koenigsegg, you know,

relatively new? Well, just a couple of words on the Jag. First of all, I would never speak negatively

of someone who took chances and showed bravery. So from that point of view, hats off. I think it's

wonderful that they did. I think the brand has been in a crisis mode for not one, not two, but

like, I don't know, four decades at this point in time. They've really not had a chance to stand firm

on their feet. And, you know, the Ford platforms were horrendous and over-bloated, kind of fatty

designs with tiny little wheels pulled all the way in. These cars, they didn't look good. So it's

not like the designers came in, took this beautiful refined jewel of a brand and screwed it up.

That's not what happened. The brand was struggling. So it needed reinvention. Now, do you think,

you know, do I think that I would have gone that particular route with Jaguar if I was once given

a chance? Probably not. But I really appreciate that they did and that they stuck to it and that

they came out strong. And there are many areas on that car that show incredible design quality

and sensitivity. And interior is beautiful. Some of the detail treatment is beautiful.

Overall proportions, squint your eyes, look at it. It's a beast. In my mind, Jags should be a bit

more feline with a little bit more kind of flow and sculpture and a little bit more general beauty

to them, right? Not just slap-sided, monstrous, kind of brutalist designs. But again, heads off,

they tried something different, and they tried to rescue an otherwise failing project. So, yeah.

I think the Jaguar design language had been taken as far as it could go, right? I think Aston was

in that same position, right, a few years ago, and they had to do something different.

I do think that you kind of start with a strong manifesto with like a declaration of intent and

the message that is very clear. And that message is verbal, but there's also usually a set of

images that accompany it, you know, like you start off kind of programming the brand

for a new era. And then as you iterate, as you go, first product is always the celebration of

that new vision. And then you're pressed by, you know, the market demand and the fans and the media,

you know, how do you kind of continue that development? And the first few products are

usually a good continuation of that original manifesto. And then somehow, one way or another,

maybe some people leave, some new people come in, it gets diluted. So there's always a kind of a

strong, you know, intent at the beginning that somehow slowly glides down, down to a point where

a new kick is necessary. And that's also why I think that perhaps rotating chief designers

and rotating CEOs is not such a bad thing. I don't know, like after 15 years in a brand,

if I would personally have any more new ground to break, you know, already kind of digested the

brand's meaning, I contributed my vision, I did a generation of cars, two generations of cars,

three generations of cars, how much more can you do? I think it's time for fresh blood.

Yeah, absolutely. So I guess supercars are one thing, hypercars are one thing. It's probably

even that much more challenging to your point to design like an everyday car, right? So are there

any daily drivers out there that you think really get it right, you know, past cars, current cars,

I'm not generally like a super big fan of current cars. Like if I think of some things,

things that I like, they always are strangely from the past, you know, and like I remember

you know, one of the formative experiences of like a regular car, seeing something in you was

a regular car, was the original TT when that came out. And then the Golf Mark IV, which was the kind

of same generation as that TT, was the first car with clear headlights. No, no, no, not foggy, you

know. And that was so clean and so pure and the shut lines, the way they were laid out. And that

was the time when I was already not super little, I was maybe in my early teens, but very formative

to me as a designer of just how neat and how organized and how precise their shapes were.

And I really kind of still to this day, hold those cars at a very high level of respect.

Today, when I see stuff, I just want to clean it up. That's my only kind of foundation. I'm

like, look, this is almost perfect, but just remove all this design, like remove all that stuff,

like I don't need it. Because I'm pretty cynical in respect. No, I'm not sure that's the right word.

When I get in the car in the morning, and I'm not necessarily in the mood for visual

bonanza, I just want stuff that doesn't piss me off. Like I want stuff that I get in and it's

just there perfectly resolved. Like, sorry for the example that is overused, but like the freaking

iPhone. I don't need stuff that streams at me on Monday morning. So it's like, check me out,

I got this feature, I got that feature, and I got this like, my shifter looks like a leaf,

and it's got this little chrome trim, like who cares? Give me something that I can actually grab

and does his job and looks pure and simple. And yeah, that's what I like.

It's funny you mentioned that Volkswagen because I remember the first time I saw one on the street.

I remember where I was. I remember what the car looked like. And like it was a Kuntosh or something.

At the first time I saw Lamborghini, it had that sort of impact on me. So I'm glad to hear that I'm

in good company. And of course, the TT you mentioned is interesting because the new TT concept was

just released today. And it shades, if I think it was the Audi Avis car, the concept car of my

youth, I guess. So thoughts on that because it's getting a lot of press and people seem to really

love it, especially the back end. I'm a big Audi fan. And as you know, I spent 12 years of my life

in Volkswagen group, a big chunk of that I was at Audi as well working on some production programs

there. So big fan of Audi. I struggled with the management there for many years because I thought

they didn't fully embrace Audi DNA. For me, Audi DNA is much more Germanic, much more Bauhaus,

much more kind of two tonic, strict, fundamental, almost brutalist. There is something about Audi

that is German to the core in this no nonsense kind of way. And when they were over styling it

and putting a lot of styling lines and putting undercuts and overcuts and chrome bits and this

and that, then again, going in the Christmas tree direction with the cars, I personally felt

disconnected. I felt like that Audi has such a wealth of DNA behind it. Come on guys, let's just

do something more pure. And my proposals were always on that more pure direction. And then

eventually they weren't getting into production because they were seamless, just not right for

the brand. In fact, I was being offended by being told, you're not on brand. And I'm thinking, no,

you are not on brand. None of you are on brand. You don't get the brand. I need to shake you guys.

We're not doing rebadged BMWs or rebadged Mercedeses here. This should be different. There is a

quality of design that needs to be respected. And that Abus concept you mentioned was obviously a

big inspiration, JMA's early 90s wonderful car. There was also the Audi Sport Quattro coupe concept

back then also with this round roof orange car, a spider and coupe that were wonderful. Then

the TT came, then the Steppenwolf was incredible as well with a Raphael Prentice as a designer.

And there was a whole plethora of cars that for me set the standard for what Audi design should be.

And then there were a lot of newer cars already under Walter De Silva and then Stefan Zilow,

and then Wolfgang Egger, and then Mark Lichter, incredibly competent designers. But some of

that original design manifesto got watered down. And remember I just said a minute ago how like

you start high and then you kind of need to restart. Well, maybe this is what's happening now,

maybe bringing Massimo on board. They are really kind of returning back to this more

austermanic roots. From that perspective, I love what they did and I'm really happy to see it.

Yeah, that design language works so well in a way that it wouldn't I think with Jaguar or something

else. It just looks right. It just looks right. It's hard to put your finger on, but that explanation

of the history and all that just that explains it I think. And was it Freeman Thomas who did the

original TT? Freeman is awesome. Yeah, he did the original TT. He worked on the original

new Beetle as well. That's right. I remember that round Wolf one. And yeah, to his day,

he's an inspiration, great designer. Was he a teacher of yours at Art Center?

No, he didn't teach, but he's prominent. So he always stopped by and gave his opinion here and

there. And sometimes I go out to see him and run whatever I'm doing by him. Just you got like a

He's a hell of a nice guy too. I bumped into him a couple of times at the Peterson Museum

and other places. And he's always got time to say hello and talk with him. But I have to say he

on a philosophical level is very much the core of in my mind of Audi DNA. Like you would go to him,

to Derek Jenkins as well, another very prominent designer. I respect a lot for this Audi DNA.

It was an interesting thing. I need to mention this. The Germans themselves struggled to understand

the quintessential part of Audi DNA. You had to be a foreigner to see it. And the fact that those

guys were coming from the States and they grew up with a completely different understanding of what

VW is and what Audi is. And there was a whole hippie culture tied into it. There was a whole West

Coast kind of fun culture attached to it. Germans see their past with heavy guilt. So when you tell

them let's take inspiration from the 30s it's like are you nuts? Like why would we do that?

Please anything but. So it really takes a person who is not part of the guilt train

to reference some of those cars and celebrate them in a way they should be celebrated because I

don't think the cars are guilty of the dictators, you know, actions. You're the first person that

I've ever heard say that Sasha. And I think that's really important and that explains so much,

right? I know Mercedes-Benz has this amazing repository of their history that they keep under

lock and key, right? And obviously I understand some of it but it's still your history, right?

And I like that point of being an outsider looking in to really understand it. That's fascinating,

you know. So you mentioned Volkswagen, Audi TT, some of these other cars. I'm very fascinated

to find out what your daily driver is Sasha. What do you drive? The guy that designs the Neloo

27. What does he drive every day? Well, my favorite daily driver that I had to sell when we moved to

the States for the second time was the R35 GTR. That was my kind of perfect weapon. I loved it.

I loved every moment of it. I would take kids to school and drive on the German Autobahn and

max the car out every single day. So it would literally go 195 miles an hour on the way to school.

And then onto the off-ramp, completely de-restricted. So you brake late, you kind of throw the car in

and then floor it on the exit. Let it slide a little bit. The kids are partying it out,

celebrating. And perfectly legal. And perfectly legal. So that was an experience. I loved every

moment of owning that car. Right now I drive a 2021 or 22 Land Rover Defender, which I really like.

It's a very pure, clean volume. Again, referencing, by the way, this is another car that the current

Audi chief designed back in his Land Rover days. So there's some taste of his that I appreciate

in that car as well. And so my daily needs doesn't upset me. I don't feel like I need to scream and

yell at it. The reliability sucks, but the design is good. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great design. I love

what was it, the Heritage Edition with the steel wheels and all that. I don't know which one you

have, but I love those are great. And they drive really well too. You don't always notice until

you get out of something else before you realize how good those Land Rovers ride. And you mentioned

the R35 because I think it was just last week that they announced the last one was rolling off the

assembly line. I had to stop and think about how long that thing has been out. I think that was

released in, was it 05 or 08? 08? 07 were the first cars on the road. But the concept was a

couple of years before that. And then there was another concept another couple of years before

that. So I would say the journey of that R35 project probably goes back to early 2000s.

Really? Yeah. And I remember when it came out, this was the death of analog, right? This new

digital car. And now we look back and think, all right, this thing's pretty damn analog.

Pretty damn analog, right? Exactly. Compared to today's cars. It's got a ton of character. I don't

know what people talk about the fact that it's like driving a PlayStation cars, but it really

isn't. The thing is tons of joy and can really kind of, I wouldn't say it punishes your outright

because it does catch you if you're too stupid. But there is some like snap oversteer moments I

had. What was that all about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's nice. I think the proof is in the

pudding and that the fact that those cars are holding their value really, really well. I sold

mine for more than I bought it for. Really? Which is incredible because a seven-year-old car,

fractionally, but it still didn't depreciate. Sure. Like it's a Porsche GT car or something,

you know? Okay, so you're in Southern California, LA area, I assume. Indeed. Yeah. So where are

your go-to roads? I know when I'm in town, I always try to do Angeles Crest and Little Big

to Hunga or whatever those roads are. They're pretty fantastic like roller coasters. Where do

you go? What are your proving grounds in SoCal? I don't have any proving grounds because I don't

have a car that is worth the proving grounds. Okay. Good answer. The Land Rover is about to tip over

every time I'm on an off-road so I don't feel the need to take it anywhere more extreme than that.

Yeah, for sure. But obviously some gorgeous roads. I am not a fan of necessarily hooning around

public roads. I am decent as a driver. I'm not great and I don't want to be a liability on that

road and I don't want to drag anybody else into any kind of accidents with me. So track day and

then some days of preparing with a set of courses and getting a few laps in to understand

all your braking points and then go off to the track semi-educated and do some fun laps on the

track. That's how I normally get my kick. It's a great point. One of the reasons I moved to Denver

to Colorado here 10 or 11 years ago was before the roads and I just turned 50 about a week ago.

I know you're a few years younger than me but it's becoming less and less important. I've got

nothing to prove. It's just about going out and having a good time. If I was involved with something

even indirectly that hurt someone, I couldn't live with myself and so it's funny how your

priorities change. Anymore, it's more about the drive and the scenery. But it also outright

scary especially in modern high performance cars because to tap into their actual performance

envelope you need to be so far above and beyond anything that is legal in terms of speed limits

and then you're throwing this car in and you're hoping that it doesn't understeer a fraction

more than it normally does and that you'll bite into that road but if you don't then it's a cliff.

Coming out of the corner you're a bit sloppy with your throttle and then the back comes out and

there's no room for error and I don't understand people when I see them driving as recklessly as

they do. Are they superhuman in their trust, their abilities or do they overestimate their

abilities and then they are risking because I don't like it. I mean Pike speak on YouTube

is more than enough for me to get my palm sweaty and my back sweaty. Yeah, I'm with you and that's

everyone else too right? It's the person coming the other direction or whatever as you know.

Then there's a motorcycle you know leaning into the other direction so they're across the lane

divide and you're on the limit of your grip so what are you going to do then? Exactly, exactly.

You mentioned Pike speak. Have you ever been out here for Pike speak? No, I would love to. Okay if

you'd ever want to come out please do let me know. There's nothing else like it. It's this world

class event but it's still very much sort of a locals only kind of thing. I mean it's a generational

thing and then the diversity of cars is amazing because you'll see some 1950s pickup truck

with you know 900 horsepower next to some concept vehicle next to someone in a you know

bone stock GT4 or a Corvette or something. It's just a fantastic event and just to see too the car

slow down the higher it's right with atmospheric power loss. There's nothing like it. You definitely

don't need to convince me. I'm going to make an effort to be there. Please let me know. Please

something else too. Kids once you have kids write your priorities change and I know that Nelu I think

is named after your two kids. Is that right? Absolutely yes. Nika and Lucia and I know you.

In the number 27 has special significance for you as well. Would you share what that is?

Yeah so that was that magazine clipping that I was talking about a bit earlier that I got

my hands on that kind of pivoted me and made me fall in love with cars for life and that was

Jules Villeneuve's number 27 Formula 1 Ferrari and when I started watching F1 about a decade later

when they started showing it on Roshi television I also saw number 27 Ferrari and I thought that

probably was the same driver but of course I did I wasn't it was John Eze and Ferrari fan as a kid

and always kind of drawing cars with number 27 on them so I figured it's kind of my lucky mascot

and now we're starting a company and calling it after our kids my wife and I and why don't we

just put that number 27 as our little mascot you know some companies have a prancing pony other

companies have a raging bull and we just have that number 27 that carries our emotional kind of

message across. I love it I love it and I'm sure you see 27 everywhere now right? Oh all the time

every time I pick up like a number from my table at a restaurant. Yeah I know that for me it's 22

but it's the same kind of thing you know I know it's going to be a good day like if I get you

22 on my cup of coffee or something you know it's funny how that works you know.

So I want to talk a little bit my background is actually graphic design and I know you have a

design consultancy as well and it's not just automotive design it's hardline 27 I think is

what it's called right and graphic design is part of it which I think is so cool. Can you talk a

little bit about the importance of I guess kind of the convergence of design disciplines when it

comes to car design and what you do and I guess what you offer as a firm as well? Yeah so I do

firmly believe in kind of a holistic approach to design I really don't like it when things look

like different cooks and different departments did you know different things on a car. You want

everything again sort of referencing back to the tech world you want the OS to look harmonious with

the external shell of the phone right you don't want them to be designed by two different philosophies

and that's why we have a very holistic approach we have people on board who kind of own certain

subjects but there's also tons of cross-pollination so it isn't like you know they're working in

silos it's really teamwork everybody comes together discusses the briefing discusses the

vision for the product discusses the vision for the brand understands how to approach it from

an interior designer's perspective an exterior designer's perspective brand design we don't call

it graphic design we call it brand design because a lot of it is corporate identity for us right it's

coming up with a refreshed set of corporate identity guidelines the logo and the logo type or

colors or or fonts and typography or bespoke typography as well but it all has to fit into the

kind of the the the metaphysical uh uh procedural that the company and the brand represents right

it all has to be part of the part of the the the corum of that of that of that faith you know like

it really needs to communicate the vision and I really appreciate that we are small lean agile

and around me I have people who work in the same kind of way that I do which is very hands-on not

not delegating the work but sitting down doing it ourselves and hardline set three years of very

successful operation we had in total recently counted close to 30 clients in the three years so

on average about 10 clients per year ranging from top of the line tech companies to OEMs that

everybody has heard of sports car OEMs and eventually a few very interesting startups that had some

very novel ideas they wanted us to help them kind of germinate and and illustrate very rewarding work

really appreciated it allows me to have my hand on the pulse of the industry a little bit because

it's very easy to get sort of sucked into your own daily grind and to lose track of what is everybody

else up to what are things that are happening around me in this industry and having hardline

obviously the work is NDA then obviously they're a super secret and all but I still am exposed to

a lot of it and I can then kind of contribute to those brands in a meaningful way because I have

a landscape in my mind I understand the lay of the land a little bit and you can really tailor

make your offering we've done programs that range from outright production cars that are kind of all

the way taken into a release of panels and finalizing the design but we've also done plenty

of work that is front loading work which is more on the concept stage coming up with core pillars

for the brand and illustrating them into you know the guiding principles of what their what their

you know stories should look like all kinds of work but very exciting we're picky we're kind of

at this point in time just take on any any any project for example I had a dream to do a muscle

car work for a long time and kind of tap into the American scene and we have a client in Florida

that allowed us to do that and there's a couple of exciting projects coming out with them soon so

we're picky but I embrace a lot more like nilu is quite quite you know narrowly focused sure

and hard line is the opposite and then they kind of yin and yang each other in that way

and in my mind yeah they they create a more I'll say wholesome experience for me as a designer

as an entrepreneur yeah it sounds like the perfect balance it sounds like a dream job right I mean

it's it's something I've learned as a graphic designer is you really can't isolate yourself

any longer right it has to be that convergence it has to be a holistic approach or it just doesn't

work it's just not how how the world works anymore right those days are those days are done

what an exciting thing I mean it's just you know then you're not locked into the car thing all the

time either right it's it's you've got something else going on but back to the car because I think

you've got a production schedule now right I think you first 15 cars or track only coming out next

year 26 well we will make some announcements soon but according to our engineering team

it might not be that 15 track cars are first it might be that we are slotting them into the

production run here and there so we're still working on the details of that there is logistics

there is a supply chain there is a let's say the the business side of things at play here as well

but yeah we we are committed to 15 non strictly speaking legal units and 54 homologated road

legal cars here cool cool cool and I guess your potential customer what makes an elu customer

different say than someone who'll just you know at least theoretically go into a Ferrari dealership

and drop similar coin on a like a Daytona sp3 right how is your prospective customer different

well I don't actually think that they are because most of our customers are are pretty

big connoisseurs and collectors of that of that type of vehicle so

some of them for some of them it's the first it's a first purchase we actually have

concluded the sale with one such customer recently very recently the first time

hypercar buyer that's very exciting for us but most of them are seasoned hypercar collectors and

they really have a pretty well trained eye and expectation level and they kind of know the

experience all too well so yeah I do think that there's a general shift happening at the moment

where our message lines really well with our perspective customers the message of back to the

roots the message of decompressing the vehicle less reliance on the electronics putting the

driver back in the driver's seat like you earlier Ryan started with listing out the specs of the

nil we don't headline with that stuff on purpose I mean for me the headline is the driver is in

the driver's seat yeah and with you as a driver can get out of it if it's a sub three second

zero to a hundred kilometer acceleration I'll applaud you for doing that but that just means

that you found the perfect day the perfect road condition and you timed your shifts perfectly

and you worked that clutch and you worked that throttle pedal and it's more of your accomplishment

I mean obviously it's in the car the car can pull it off but it won't do much to help you either

so so you know that that headline spec isn't something that we advertise on our front page

because it's up to the driver that's what we want to talk about and in that sense it's finding a lot

of traction and a great reception from the customer community because they are tired of these soulless

car as an appliance car as a technique tech gadget approach that has even trickled

over to hypercar world from the teslas and the and the lucid so this world it has also

trickled into the hypercar world now and the customer doesn't want much of that in the future

perfectly coinciding with my own dream and my own ambition you know I've always wanted to do just

that and all of a sudden the market seems very ripe for it can we talk a little bit about car week

because I think for someone like me or for the average person that that comes to car week it's

just kind of fun it's it's you know it's a show but for someone like you you're working you're

actually selling cars right Gordon Murray or you know a singer they're they're selling cars so

what's your what's your take on car week from a from your perspective I mean you you're selling

cars right of course we are I mean yeah that's what we're here for we're trying to build a

successful company we're early days still but that's what we're doing and the experience is

you can't you you just can't miss car week you cannot not go you know it's such a it's such an

incredible melting pot gathering of both the industry and the clientele and the media so

you know if you're not there you're missing out on effectively the highlight of the year

it's intense it's tiring it's actually quite grueling like the schedule there and you're kind of

every day wondering how much can I bear this for but but it's a must you really can't can't

not go so what are the highlights well for me first of all my wife and I we went for the first

time to a monoray for car week when we were students and we just went and like you know

rented a car got a few of our friends together went there without any tickets to anything and just

kind of BSed our way into most events and climbed under the fence with the others and cheated our

way for you know the rest and that was our first experience in bumping into some legendary designers

they're saying hi I'm Sasha and like can I have your autograph basically so now you go in there

and it's a whole different experience last year we presented our car at the awards ramp in Pebble

Beach and I'm just standing there pinching myself thinking holy crap you know like I was here as a

kid just just fighting for an autograph I was here as a designer for all these amazing companies

presenting their output or being part of the crew with the car there some cases with Kennec

saying for example on the stage presenting as well but here I am with my own creation something

that's lived in my mind for such a long time and here we are it's a small team tiny team is just

my wife myself and a couple of other people and we have to do everything from loading unloading

to repairing to putting up beach flags and looking for sandbags and repainting the

scratched paint on the on the floor but like all that stuff we have to do but what a reward and

you stand there at this awards ramp and you really wonder did I just did I just present my car to the

world here like that's just you can't you know can't I can't imagine what that must feel like

I just that you have that you've come full circle like that that you are the guy now

you know signing autographs much it must just be the coolest but I try to not forget well I don't

forget the humble beginnings and I think that most of those people you know approaching now with

with a comment or a request for an autograph or a picture they're slated to do some great things

in their life so you have to kind of you obviously have to treat everybody with respect and with

dignity but these people show their passion they wear it on their sleeve so they'll they'll

they'll do great things I have no doubt yeah I love that I absolutely love that can I ask what

were some of the automotive highlights for you at car week this year some of the work of others

that you thought was pretty great I think one car really stole the show and it was the s1lm

my client f1 remake that Gordon Murray's team pulled off I felt that looked fabulous and really

pretty and I really enjoyed kind of so I celebrated that result together with a couple of people I

know from that project so it's a very impressive car it also shows to me that sometimes running

after new new new isn't isn't necessary we're not in we have reached peak car we're not in a

situation where we're looking for peak car we have reached it so the innovation for me at this

point in time is kind of a lot of the times just watering down what the peak car should be as far

as sports cars are concerned and that they are kind of looking back at history and wondering

did we throw the baby out with the water like no we should really celebrate the other good that

there was in this beautiful McLaren f1 is obviously a legendary car so that they recreated it with such

respect and with such quality I find very attractive I did similar well we did similar

at Kenneckside with CC850 and that was a dream project for me as well to kind of celebrate the

brand's true design kind of beginnings in an even more mature and refined way people have

an issue with retro they always say how about that but so what's wrong with that if it was good

why throw it away is everything that is tomorrow better than everything that was yesterday is that

like always the case I'm also sure about that yeah yeah I love the CC850 because of that right

because it pays you know tribute right to you know what came before it and it's done so well so

and what about the GMA the 33 and the 50 what are your what are your thoughts on this because in a

lot of ways they're probably some of the closest analogs right to the Neloo 27 but like I absolutely

love them as far as the concept is concerned I think Gordon's concept is incredible and then he

doesn't need my approval we all know that he's a he's a legendary name and knows for sure

and and the engine drive train combination is wonderful I love the kind of scaled down 12

cylinder lightweight wraps you know to infinity wonderful packaging is great tight tiny packages

that are cocooning and just right for the driver great view angles on the exterior design side

for both cars underbaked I think the the LM really sets a standard for Gordon Murray I didn't

quite like the both exteriors I felt they were a bit too tame I'm not I don't think that every car

needs to scream that they it wants to burn your village not at all but but they weren't executed

to their fullest potential there are areas which are a bit if you like that rear end for me was a

bit if you on the 250 narrow tall not doing itself any favors with the way the graphics were applied

emphasizing height instead of width in some cases but again from everybody else out there I think

these are very compelling products I mean on the log manual perfect sound wonderful packaging

and now with with new iteration of cars I think they've also unlocked the the nest on the design

side as well yeah yeah well I think that's what's so great about your car it's got a presence right

that even those two wonderful cars don't have and I I think for someone my age it just it presses

the right buttons right it gets me excited right you know you walk around at every angle is a good

one it's an event right I can't imagine what it's like to drive but just even looking at it as an

event it's special I know it's the beginning it's it's it's such a cool thing and again it must

feel so amazing to know that that's yours that that's your baby but I know no small amount of

hard work you know has gone it's behind all this and so congratulations and something pretty

wonderful thank you thank you very much it's a it is a huge challenge it's the challenge of our

lives to to succeed but we are doing everything right and we're supported by a very passionate

group of people around us and that group is growing and there will be some very important

announcements coming up soon about the progress that we've made in the last year so epic

journey really lost every moment of it so far and then we're still at the beginning I'm gonna

I'm 42 now but it still feels like the mountain is there for me to climb even after all the years

and all the other smaller mountains that that's that's that were successfully navigated there's

still a big one in front where do we find you your cars your consultancy online Sasha well

ours nilu27.com consultancyhardline27.com both are pretty active on instagram look up hardline

27 official or nilu27 official for our instagram accounts I also have a private instagram account

Sasha Zolipanov that I'm sometimes active woman they they do they do all have very different

narratives to tell so we're speaking to you right now I'm saying things also as a private person

not only as a representative of nilu or hardline but there's there's there's some split in the way

the narratives are handled there cool excited excited to see new followers always yeah absolutely

absolutely and you're a great follow and all the pages are fantastic fellows as well one last

question for you're a music fan are you not yeah big time I've seen you in some concert t-shirts

yeah so what are you listening to when you're designing what are you putting on so that was

actually one of the very formative things in my life and in my career from the early days

my mom used to challenge my brother and my brother is actually a composer and a serious kind of

usually now but as we were kids she would always challenge us to close our eyes and imagine a visual

narrative for any piece of music that she would play and then she would stop the music and have

us retell what we imagine so for me this connection between visual and oral is actually very strong

so I do find the right sub-genre of metal or each project okay I love it you can get the right

vibes from but I mean we can laugh about it because metal maybe some people is very kind of

homogeneous in a way but it really isn't because there are things that are incredibly slow-paced

landscaping and very abstract and there are things that are fast-paced brutal and and there are things

that are very mathematically driven with complex time signatures and polyrhythms and then weird

kind of shifts and then there are other things that are monumental and huge so depending on the

project you really can find the right kind of soundscape that puts your mind you know in the

mode that creates visual forms and language that coincides with the music that was originally

picked out to guide you towards the results for that particular project yeah

I love that I love that well Sasha Selipanov I thank you for joining us on that car show today

we cannot wait to see what's next thank you so much I appreciate it Ryan it was a pleasure

thank you very much and thank you to all the listeners

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