Porsche 968 Turbo Love, Lane Had An Art Show, and Warren Rocks Out

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What are we just saying about some car, something dude?

It looks like there's another 9, 6, 8 turbo s

that's being auctioned off here very soon.

And it's it's just these cars are popping up.

I think they made what like 25 of them or something like that.

Dude, I thought it was like five.

Dude, let's see.

I might I might actually have the stats on here,

but this is going to go with Gooding and Company only 14.

Wherever made and this dude, this one is so sick.

It's Zermatt Silver over black cloth.

It's so rad dude.

It's really, really clean black leather with quarter

or interior.

It's red and of course it's got the speed lines.

I mean, there's just saying 1.2 million.

That's what they're saying.

I guess yeah against scarcity.

And finally these cars being appreciated.

It's dude.

There was a note.

There was a no sale at RM for like there was a no sale with an

estimate of 550 to 750 at some point.

The first one that comes up.

This is crazy.

They're like has there been a transexal street car that sold

for over a million?

No, definitely not a street car.

Right.

I mean, I know like even a race car is really pushing it.

I don't even know of a race car, dude.

I know, right?

Like a 924.

Yeah.

Like the GT's car.

No, that's can't be a million dollar car.

No, because and race cars historically haven't done, you

know, who race cars don't do that well, right?

Unless they have like the biggest narrative associated.

It's like ball them all winner with the right driver.

All right.

So you have the pedigrees important and transaxle cars

don't have that pedigree right?

No, that's what I'm like tripping out right now.

1.2 million.

Holy shnikes.

Yeah, I was going to check and see.

I have a feeling that the broad arrow car is also estimated.

It's a seven figure car.

Dude, that silver one is so sick dude.

The Zermatt on that man.

It looks so good.

Yeah, and that's the thing is like sample.

It's a it's a wild place to be right.

It's like it's just where it's people are age now that really

appreciate this air of cars and there are a certain number of

them that have a tremendous amount of wealth, right?

And they're like I want that one and this is only three hundred

SL this is yeah, and it's not it's low mileage, but it's not

like a Ferrari low mileage.

It's got 19,000 miles on it.

Yeah.

Wow, dude.

That's a lot of miles.

Yeah, I know for a car like that too.

I don't even because like who even works in a car?

That's a weird car, dude.

Such an awesome like such awesome car dude.

I'm looking at the it was only posted an hour ago on hyper drive.

This link arts talking about on Instagram.

There's two comments.

The first comment is to be honest, beautiful.

This is being honest, dude.

Come on, what the hell dude?

It's it's interesting though.

I mean, I'm curious to see what happens.

You know, naturally, right?

Rising tide floats all boats because I feel like that the 944

turbo is we've been talking about.

There's still a bargain right now like they went up and then

they sort of dipped and like, you know, you can get a nice

driver for 20 grand, you know, 25 grand still, which is two and

nine twenty eights to dive to.

So now we're back with this this type of stuff, putting eyeballs

on on this chassis, right?

And like I'm curious to see what happens.

But yeah, so if you if you're thinking about getting a 944

turbo, go buy one right now.

Do to them or a nine six eight or a nine six eight.

I mean, nine six eights are already banky.

Like, I mean, I think like to get a decent driver nine six eight

you're at thirty five forty now like a nice car, you know, not

like super low mileage.

I mean, now if you want to go super low mileage, you look you're

talking six figures.

I mean, even not last year, but the year before last we were with

the L or LBI, formerly LBI now on a moya.

We were at the I think it was Bonham's auction and Adolfo and I

were like kind of interested in it.

It was a I think it was a Mexico blue nine six eight, not a club

sport, just Mexico blue with sport and seat interior cloth, really

nice car and I was like dude, I'm down at like sixty five and and

Adolfo is like I'll go up to eighty and it went for like one twenty

or something.

I was like, damn it.

You know, like so yeah, I mean, it was Mexico blue though, like yeah,

and also I think it was a mileage thing and also auction like that.

Dude, that's that's a whole different story.

But yeah, I will say at Radwood Amelia this year in just a week

from this coming out, a lot of nine forty four is a lot of nine

six eights.

We have a couple nine six eight Caberleys have signed up.

I don't know if that's where they all went to to live every nine six

eight cab is in Florida definitely could be, but it's a

very strange we are now.

We're just looking at the list today and I was like dude, we have and

it's probably like a transaxle club or like the nine forty four nine

six eight club just got wind of it and we're like we want to go.

Yeah, so isn't there also?

There's a there's a nine six eight turbo RS.

Whoa, oh, is that the one that that that broader was doing?

Yeah, that's the broad arrow one dude.

That's like the fucking and it's like one.

It's like one of like three or something.

Yeah, yeah, this is like the crazy one.

I'm looking at what color is that one?

Like orange, no, dude, it's it's black with like a really colorful,

like almost like a tic-tac looking livery and it's

it's the only front engine Porsche RS model ever produced

and considered to by those in Visock to be quicker than the contemporary

Carrera RSR 3.8.

And yeah, I think we've seen the red one at Laguna.

Remember at the paddock there, like they've displayed it before.

I think one of the race teams has it and they kind of bring it out.

They don't.

But it's a red one with a meatball like this.

I think that might be one of these.

That's the one.

But yeah, this one is yeah, estimated in excess of one million.

interesting, but I have a feeling that like the three forty eight and three

fifty five challenge cars, I have a feeling that these are street legal.

Yeah.

So I know Paul, Paul Kramer of auto kennel, he, you know, he has a friend

with one of the turbo S's like a orange.

I think it's like yellow, right?

Or it's a yellow, I don't know.

Is it is almost like a Hannah looking cars?

Do you remember he was going to bring it to Radwood?

I think so.

That sounds like I was talking about bringing it, but and he

because Paul had his cancer, he's like, Hey, you can drive my car when you're

better.

So he's going to get like a as like a dangle as a dangled carrot.

So Paul gets to drive it.

It worked.

He fucking overcame his cancer to drive it.

I know he was going to just say fuck it, but then that came along and was

like exactly.

So now Paul gets to drive it.

Speaking of Paul, he's in a transactional car in his nine forty four

driving to Montana.

Yeah, yeah for ice race.

Is he participating or just making a crazy Paul road trip out of it?

So he's making a crazy Paul road trip for sure, and he put like different

wheels on his car and tires and everything, and he's rolling out with Joe,

you know, who goes on a rallies in the gulf livery nine eleven.

I saw him and he he is doing exhibition laps.

Okay, so he's going to get out there.

Super fun, right? Yeah, yeah, really cool. Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised that car

with orange, like bright orange. Yeah, the police livery. Yeah, I agree, but I

mean his tortuga is so iconic, and I feel like it's so perfect for that.

It already has us, you know, a spike tire on the roof and skis doesn't have

skis and skis and and all the chachis. So I think Paul just had a Paul just

had a third of his hip replaced, and I think comfort is king here art. No, I

see. Well, I think it's I think it's a big deal just to I mean, just to drive

out there is huge for him right now. Totally just to walk in the snow, right?

Like it's like he's like been training to what he's been training, walking on

the sand, just to walk in like foul weather, right? It's like and that's why

he didn't go with his dad because he needs someone capable of something

happens. Yeah, like along the way. I love it. It's like I'm going to train and

all this stuff, but I'm still going to drive. I'm not going to fly and I'm

still driving a 30, 30 year old 35 year old car or whatever. Totally. But he's

driving a a little more comfortable 35 year old car. Yeah, I totally get it.

That's going to be exciting. So you're going also Lane and I'm going as well.

I'm leaving tomorrow. You're like I'm leaving after this podcast. Yeah. All

right. You're flying up. Is it a direct flight to Bozeman or where you go?

Direct flight to Bozeman. Yeah. Okay. And then I'm going into Big Sky,

renting a car and doing all that. Dude doing the whole thing man. Okay. Where

are you staying in Bozeman in Big Sky? Okay, Bozeman. Yeah, Big Sky. I don't

know. Yeah, right next to the spot, dude. Pretty sweet. No, they have a car as

a coffee like right when I get there. I've been talking to my trip. Or is it

like, is it adjacent to the Yellowstone Club or yeah, it's near Yellowstone.

Yeah, okay. Chris Harrell is like running the whole thing. That's right. Yeah,

he reached out for about insurance and shot Cheyenne. Oh yeah, from formerly at

Petrolicious. Yeah, him and Cheyenne are running the whole thing. That would be

fun. That would be super fun. Dude, that's awesome man. I'm stoked for you. I

yes. That's awesome. That's all. Lane's going to show up in a t-shirt and

jeans. I will report back though. It looks like you've got heavy winds Thursday,

Friday, but crystal clear. Temperature and it will get up to 50. Oh, okay.

But with the wind show much colder, 26, 27 mile an hour winds, very, very

windy jeans and jeans, a t-shirt and a sweatshirt, jeans and a t-shirt. Don't

even worry about a sweatshirt. You're going to want to get that wind in you.

Yeah. Okay. You want to up in your, you want to in your back, in your armpits.

Lane, do you wear, do you own a pair of clothes? I might bring a windbreaker

slash jacket. Maybe a beanie. Yeah, but Saturday, Sunday, very light winds,

almost 50 degrees. Oh shit, dude. It's going to be a great weekend. Maybe a tank top,

huh? I mean, you'll see people in tank tops. That's like basically summer. It's

going to be beautiful though. I bet, yeah, with like the wind blows away, you

know, there's going to be blue skies, snowy. That's going to be awesome, but

I don't see snow in the forecast. So hopefully that lake stays frozen. Yeah.

The, I guess what's on there. Yeah. I'm really, I'm sad right now as we're

talking, sorry, my ADD kicked in as we're talking and I'm looking at the fucking

lots at the Amelia auction and at 40s, you know, then now they're three to four

million. So it's like, um, this dream will, it just, I think it's been gone for

that dream has been over for a while, but yeah, now I can't even sell my house

in by one, which I always had that in the back of my mind. It was like, so now

it's it's that's all gone. It's gone, but it's gone, but autos am az one f 40

conversion is where we're at. That's right up your alley. I mean, that

definitely checks a lot of boxes checks a lot of boxes. I mean, there's a, so

have you guys seen the Mazda speed kit for the almost? It's almost there, cool.

It's six. Yeah, it's f 40 s. Yeah. So that might be the move and ironically now

those are 35 grand to so it's like everything is even autos and drive. It's

pretty cool. I mean, Warren right hand drive. Come on. That thing is like two

foot wide. I know it doesn't matter. It does not matter that it's right. You

could. You could reach the other side for your. And by the way, there's so many

other compromises in that car that like right hand drives last one. You can. I

think I can from the driver's seat. I can probably put my left hand on the

ground if I were to stick it out of the passenger side and like seeing around

cars to like make a pass like it's such a small car. You can put it like on the

line and still right. Yeah. I wonder if like, I mean, yeah, I mean, that could

be a thing. I mean, I'm just thinking like if I if I would do a full rally in

one that would be is that too gnarly? I don't know you would you would be bomb

dude. They're so slow dude. I don't want to speed. It's got some mods, you know,

some suspension. Yeah, it's a buzzy, mild accident. You're basically are a

pancake. Well, yeah, that's definitely true. You don't want to get involved in

all that. Well, it's exciting Lane. I'm looking now. It's a it's a high wind

warning. So severe winds, 70. Oh, it just changed. It just changed. It just

changed. Yeah. So just and then two weeks after that, I'm going to I'm going

to Japan again for Luft and she's going to McGaragawa ring, going to McGaragawa

circuit the following day for some Porsche tractor. That's only great. The

talk about photo opportunities that track is so stunning about Porsche moments.

If anyone is a moment God, don't say that, but if anyone is listening and has

never heard of the McGaragawa circuit, check it out. It's got it's just an

amazing. It's like a private racetrack that somebody had a fever dream to

build in in the woods on a mountain and they did it super. So yeah, and it's a

club, right? So it's club based. So it's like a thermal. I guess we have out

here and you can buy membership and participate in all the facilities are

like as epic as it gets. And as a reminder, McGaragawa means like a

sinuous or curvy river. So that's what the so Magaru is to turn Magaru or

Magari is turning right and right. That's what I was going to say. And then

kawa normally gawa is river. So that's what that means to just that. But it's

a race. The more you know, the more you know. Yeah, questions time. This is

actually right on topic here. Lars Brancourt says looking for new seats for

my nine eight six three to four track days a year want something that looks

right in the car. GT three seats would be the easy button if they weren't six to

ten thousand dollars a set now. What aftermarket seat would you look for or do

I try and find some nine, nine, six sport seats, which are still Mucho

denaro?

Well, does he need lumbar support? That's the one thing because a lot of

these buckets do not have lumbar support. You add a little pillow, a little

race, you can add a little pillow. So that is a recaro option. You can get the

first one that comes to mind as a pole position. That's basically a GT three

seat, but different. You know, it doesn't have like the sort of Darth Vader

looking top to it, but it's the same shape. I've had a couple of those in the

past. I like them, but they don't have lumbar support. So you have to add

something there and there is companies now. There is some aftermarket, some

people that make inserts for all these seats now and their memory foam and

they're pretty nice, I think, and even for like brand new GT three sport seats

kind of suck. They don't have lumbar. So like there's companies that make these

inserts and they'll make them in your tartan and your plaids and all that kind

of right. I remember. Yeah, I remember when I had the last set, I looked at it

was a velcro one that just attaches to the actual center and it's like not and

not an insert like inside of the seat, but even externally, right? And you just

kind of like velcro it on there. So it's same idea. So it's pretty easy is what

I'm saying to also. It's like that's an option. So also the other thing with a

pole position is that they were used historically in a lot of Porsches. So

you're going to find rails and all that kind of shit super easily like that'll

bolt that that's not going to be difficult to find because every car is

like a nice brand to look at when you I was going to say it's not a Corbo or

yeah Cobra Cobra. Well, the SPG is a good alternative. That's also it's similar

to a pole position, but look at it. You'll see what I mean like the shoulder

width is different. And so the problem with a lot of seats that that you have

is that not everybody has a wine country motor sports, which is a race shop at

Sonoma Raceway where they have all of the seats sitting in the showroom and you

can try them all out, right? Like and seats are so particular, right? I was

just going to say that's my thing even like with a new car, right? Like I mean

seats can make or break a car as you go, you know, yeah and experience that. So

it ideally you get to experience the seat and get to sit in and see what it

feels like. But those are suggestions based around like available, you know,

availability of components and parts and all that kind of stuff and also that

look correct and will hold you in place and all that. That's a great answer.

I like that answer. Yeah, good job.

SF.F1 says Red Bull put put on an amazing show at Marina Green last weekend.

Estimated 40,000 plus turned out. Yuki was lit literally and brought new and

regular fans of F1 out in force. The older V8 engines sounded amazing in the

RBR and VC ARB show cars. How might Radwood work with F1's older, i.e.

Louder V12 V10 cars to showcase an era whose sound and popularity could be

featured. By the way, Drive to Survive drops Friday and Australian Grand Prix

next weekend. Yes, what an event that was. I'm so glad I didn't go. That was my

take from seeing all the mayhem and bad visibility.

Well, it sounded like if, yeah, basically if you weren't within the first three

rows, it was kind of pointless. Yeah, exactly. Look, right? It's kind of like

I don't have bleachers or some sort of stadium type experience was, was

interesting, but and also I was really shocked to see the lack of planning on

certain parts of the event from such a large organization. But yeah,

Radwood Formula 1 cars, we would love that. I don't know how might I would

work with F1's older cars to showcase? I mean, there's all sorts of ways,

right? Like just exactly what they did, but having it all be period correct.

80s and 90s are awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Exhibition style, right? So I mean,

you ideally, you have a race track to do that at and you have, you know,

sessions where they can go out and people get up close and personal with them in

the paddock. And I think there's ways to do that. And that's sort of where we're

heading in the long run. But yeah, we love that. And I think that's, that's

sort of been the end, kind of our dream from day one, you know, like a lot of

that, not only F1, but also DTM cars, BTCC, like the challenge series that we

used to have the touring cars in the U.S., like IMSA, all of those cars to have

them on track and see them at full tilt is kind of the end game for sure.

Yeah. That's ideal situation. Yeah. And it's just kind of, it's a scale thing

really, right? Like, I mean, because, you know, to get them there and all of

that is a huge endeavor and you want to have, quite frankly, a velocity

invitational style event to do something like that. Yeah. And they add elements,

you know, they do include some of these cars, but it is obviously not entirely

based on this area. Yep. That's so mint says a couple of devoted DWA fans are

expecting triplets. You each get to name one of the babies with the proviso that

the name must also be the name of a car model. What are you going with? Dude,

P. T. That is a P. T. Barnum Barnum and Bailey. That was a that was a name

shit. I've never even thought of why it's P. T. I mean, I heard Paul or something

like Paul Thomas. Ever since we look it up. Wait, no, right? We've never talked

about that. Why is it P. T, but P. T, panel truck, panel truck, panel truck.

It's got a little truck. Let me look it up. It's got that's even worse. They

didn't even make a pan. It's not a truck because they didn't make a panel. They

didn't make a panel. It's gotta be. Oh, what lame personal transportation. That

is the lamest ever. Are you kidding me? Brian as American cars are so fucking

dumb. By the way, like I posted on Radwood. I posted that that a Ford

Taurus ad from the original Ford Taurus. Yeah, and it's like Taurus for us. It's

a personal car. I'm like what the fuck's a personal car dude. Don't you know

personal car? Like this is so bad. I think dude

there's some other ones out there. Then the GM people would be like, are you

listening? Like no, we're not listening to this stupid car. All right. I'm going

with the classic. Don't say Shelby. No Alante which short for short is Alan

awesome. His name is Alan. It's short for Alante Alante. I like it Alante. If you

don't know any Alans, give me a little Alante once in a while. Alante. Are you

that's not a lot. You can't do Porsche Mercedes. No, it's got to be a model,

right? A model. Yeah, like a like a Chevy cruise, right? The cruise cruises a name

actually is. It's pretty good. No cruises. A good name

Aurelia. I knew a girl named Aurelia and she was named after the car.

Okay, I know. I knew a kid named F 40 and he was

E F F. Do you skyline?

What is the one that was coming out in the luce? Luce is good. We were going to

name. If Andrew was a girl's lucea possibly going to New Yorker

money Monte Carlo to

Riviera, Riviera. Interesting. All right. Oh, that's my buddy over there. What's

his name? El Dorado? Oh, I see. Hey, does he? He hangs out with Chavette

Oh, dude Chavette super ghetto Corvette is a burly name. I'm sure it exists. That's

got to be out there, dude. Yeah, that's right up. Yeah, Corvette man Corvette Jones.

That guy is so hard. Sucks. He smokes so many. He's fucking rips grits, dude, but

he's not as hard as RS 200 though. That guy's pretty legit. You're off the chart, sir.

I mean, the only one's come up with the name so far. Hey, all the way out there. You did

throw a luce. Yeah, I think I'm just off the top of my head.

Yeah, Cruz sounds like the legit name. I think that's a good name for a boy

and I love that you can be a Chevy Cruz is like a man. Just Cruz man. Cruz is like

a little like a kind of a tough, tough kid named Tundra. Oh, dude, what about fucking Stratus

Lane? You got anything Joppa?

Oh, dude, Merak. Oh, Merak's Merak's actually a pretty good name. Merak Merak. I know a

Merak. I know a Merak. I think I think they're from Seat, Seat, Africa. No, that

makes sense. Dude, I think you know, oh, there's a. What is it called a Jetta? You

know, maybe a. Damn, that's so gnarly golf. No, that doesn't work. Dude, I can't

even think of a car name right now, dude. P. T. They're all like it's all like

Mustang. Dude, what about Aztec? It's not Alan, Alan, which is short for Alante.

Not Alante, dude. Simeron. Okay, we're moving on.

Bobby Reed with the cars says you're offered any production car ever made for the next

DWA rally. Oh baby. There's one catch. That's the car you must use for every rally you ever

run again. It will always show up ready to go perfectly maintained, but you can never

switch. Do you accept the offer? If so, what's your forever rally car?

I would go. Can I do like a group B 288 GTO?

Is that okay? Is that? That's horrible, man. How can you set up set up for me ready to go?

Yeah, I mean, my first low hanging cheater fruit is a nine six four RS. Like, I mean,

that's a pretty solid car. That's so freaking boring, but is it too low? It's too easy. We

basically have cars like that show up on the road. Yeah, so okay. All right, I'll get a

Sport Quattro S one again. That's pretty good, man. That's what I'm doing.

Yeah, do you do like a vintage fully documented period build 300 SLR rowdy killer styling it

does, but what if it's not documented? So I don't want it. I don't want I would never

know. I want a pike speak. Howdy Sport Quattro S one. That's what I'm doing.

That's okay. It's pretty extreme. I like it. It's pretty extreme. I mean, you want. I mean,

my nine six four S was too tame. So we're going to go to the office. We're going to go full tilt.

Yeah, but I'll do a Ferrari 250 GTO. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, gangster. No, I like it. Actually,

why not? It doesn't have it. Dude, why not? What is it called a fridge and air? What is that

aftermarket brand? No, no, no, no, you're not out. No, you can do it. Amen. It's the only

no. It's not. You have. Oh, it's a race as race. A real car. Yeah. So all right. All right,

dude, I you know what? Another one to be sick to now. I don't think about it is I would go

0 37 launch 0 37 Monte Carlo spec because I want the rear wheel drive would be more fun. I think

so I would I would go with that mid-engine, rural drive. That's my final answer. It has to be said

too that we need a car that's 1999 and older because it would have to do both rallies,

the modern rallies that we do and the classic. We can't. I mean, yeah, you can't pick my and

what I'm saying is you can't pick a brand new car even if you wanted to because you respect

nine nine five nine would be great. That would be fantastic. Kind of perfect. Yeah,

that would be kind of perfect. Yeah, it's it's hard to beat. I would say a 40, but it's so extreme.

It is so they're very race. Well, you're also going to slam into shit if that's what I'm saying,

right? Because I mean you can't like M one pro car would be super rat too, but I feel like I'm

going to destroy the body kit like on the first rally and it's yeah. So you need some ground

clearance. You need some compliance. Why am I not going to clear enough one? It's got everyone.

Aren't you you could? I think that would work should. I probably should do that. That seems

like the move and dude. I don't know CD player air conditioning CD player. I feel like the

what's the gearing situation like that's why I wanted a 37 Monte Carlo spec like you want

a tight twisty mountain car, right? That it's got like super short gearing because like

whereas that I guess you could know, but you're not allowed to you're not allowing

him to get air conditioning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, they're not adding stuff to it.

Can you do zero to sixty and first gear and a McLaren of one? Let me look probably yeah. I

bet you can really off the rev limiter nine five nine as a nine five nine as a galenda gear

or whatever. That's nice. First

so the short answer to is that we're definitely gash. We're definitely taking 70 and first or

something. So depending on the specification, first gear will reach sixty five or to eighty

two miles per hour. Not good for no. Yeah, I think it's two eighty GTO for me. Oh, that's so rad.

That's pretty good. Ditto's dad says what car did you used to like, but have since fallen out of

love with it due to speculation driving the values to a point where the driving experience

isn't worth the cost? It's a great question. I mean NSX. I don't know. It's like just getting

more and more expensive. And I think it's a great car, but not for a hundred thousand dollars or

seventy five thousand for the beat is most beat example, right? Like for what it is.

And I wouldn't say like all the all the really high end stuff is already so

expensive like to your point. I have forties and things like that. It's like,

yeah, it's the speculation has destroyed them to the point of it doesn't make sense anymore.

Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess there's there's quite a few of those really if you

start thinking about it, like in terms of like I keep sort of hovering around an FDRX seven,

but like now you're talking about 50 grand to start for a good car, right? And then like

so not necessarily a deal breaker, but it's like but I my focus shifts elsewhere. Like

if I'm like, okay, if I'm going to spend 50 grand there, yeah, what else could I get, right?

And it's like so the it drops down in priority, whereas that like at twenty five grand I'm in,

right? So it's like there's cars like that. You know, it's one that I don't know if this

is accurate. Maybe Lane could talk to us too, but mark two GTI's like nice ones are so expensive.

Oh, yeah, they're like thirty grand, thirty thousand dollars like and mark once for that

matter to like they've gotten really expensive and that's for nice ones, which is only the thing

I mean, but you're going to be able to sell it for the same. Well, I get that like, but I'm

saying driving experience for thirty. Yeah, like if we got in that and we feel like you'd feel like

it's a thousand dollar car. Yeah, it's a sell. No, I know it and put it. They do look right. I know

I was going to say that it's an art piece like all that, right? Yeah, I was going to say this

because I think I think I could still like buy one of those like if it was a really nice. It

would have to be a really nice one. We're in like have to be the nicest mark two or mark one GTI

like the perfect one and I'd be stoked on it and you'd probably have it for a year

or whatever and then you move on. Yeah, he takes some photos of it. You drive around,

you're like, oh, this is cool. I think you immediately want to start upgrading things

like it doesn't stop that great. It doesn't have any power, but you kind of can't

and then yeah. Yeah, and I kind of feel like I always like them.

I think it's after driving the two of that 205 GTI, I was like, oh, this car kind of like

isn't that great. Yeah,

and I think that's because I didn't have nostalgia around that car and it's the same with like mark

one mark two. I have like the nostalgia is so strong where I don't feel as like I can still

it outweighs the like because I do feel the same way about that car, but there's the nostalgia

is so strong with those cars right one car that's really I always thought they were really cool

and after experiencing out them and the price is the lancy adult integral is

I agree like after like they're super cool. They're rad looking.

I mean they always they draw a crowd. You know they're really neat.

They're they drive fun, but after we had one for you know drove one for a little bit

and experienced it and experience like kind of how crappy they are

and how much they are now you're kind of like there's where like yeah I I will like I will

shout to the moon if anyone wants one I'm like no don't dude just don't like please what about the

mountaintops yeah shout to the mountaintops dude I mean someone the other day mountaintops right

well we're having we're having lunch the other I was having lunch the other day with someone and

they were they're like a casual they're like into modern cars and they're talking about like

wanting a Radwitter car and they're like yeah I always love like lancy adult integral is

and they're like dipping their they want to dip their toe into like that arrow car there I'm like

don't do it dude just please don't do it like I'm I swear just please don't like you know the old

the toe dip lancy yeah yeah yeah I mean I think there's there but same right it's that's the

situation with people is like especially if like I noticed if and this this is an a stereotype

but I think it's true like if if you're European right like there is so much nostalgia there and

like heritage and like the e30m three thing here where it's like like they're willing to pay a

premium for that even if it's no doesn't live up to that six six figure price point but also

they're very fragile which is like really sketchy right like that's the part with me it's the

fragility of those yeah and that's what really throws me off but I mean no I get it there's I

mean yeah it's here I mean nine six four s we just talked about like I mean those are $300,000

now like that doesn't even make it a consideration you know like it's but like yes they're super rad

but like that's yeah you unless you're in a position where you're you know you're well

off enough that just like Lane saying it's just money and money out right like that's

that's one way to look at it but if we're not there we're talking about dropping out right

it's like not even a consideration because we're looking at other other places at a

lower price point JF Cowell says how do you guys feel about or respond to sellers who really

misrepresent the cars they sell on auction platforms is there any recourse

I hate people that do that I also feel like you're kind of it's on you as the buyer to if you're

really interested in the car to like call that out or or respond to it effectively

I know is he so well the question here is is he talking about like actively like if you're

talking about like a listing I think if you saw a listing for a nine six four s and you notice

like there's orange peel but the auction ad says you know perfect paint gotcha okay versus

post right like if so is that what it is or is it like in real life like when you go to look at

the car and you're like oh man or you know and you it turns out to be you know not as represented

yeah maybe it's he's saying recourse so I guess that is yeah after a person well that's that's

what I was thinking because like I had an experience like well I've had multiple experiences yeah

art has a lot arts have these a lot I feel yeah but I feel like for example like the zhp that I

bought it was re sprayed and the pictures weren't did not show the re spray very well like it was

like far enough and it didn't actually like really show the over spray on stuff and orange peel all

over the place and like like that was I think a very strong misrepresentation of what was going on

because like they didn't take pictures of gaskets and trim that was over sprayed on and she like

that and I I mentioned it like hey dude like I definitely responded to him and he's like oh well

I I took all the pictures they're there and it's just like right at that point you're already kind

of sol right I think it's a little bit of anytime you purchase a car aside unseen in person that's

a big exactly that's a really big problem very big risk and yeah it's a very big risk yeah I feel

like I'm a little bit like I feel like I always I want to give people the benefit of the doubt

of the doubt always and I'm like well their idea of nice is not what mine is and they

can't they didn't you know because a lot of times people they they don't see what I you know they

maybe they didn't see it but you know a lot of stuff you're like how could you not see that

or have right you know that's intentionally hidden to like there's yeah and stuff's intentionally

hidden and stuff's covered up and stuff like that but it's like I've I've learned like I just won't

buy cars on these auctions without looking at the car in person dude I just can't do it somebody

you trust go to look at it and they do have services for that but even then yeah but even

then they're husky yeah because I think you hit it the nail on the head there is their version

of nice is not the same as yours yeah they come from a place like let's say they come from

Pittsburgh not no offense Pittsburgh but hey how about Ohio virtually rust free

skinny skibody Ohio and the thing you know yes it doesn't have cancer holes through the body but

clearly any minute it will but it's like dude that's pretty good right like I have all my cars

are rusted all the way through it's like well we would never even consider that as a car to buy

you know around here so yeah it's all relative but that's why yeah without getting in it that said

though that said like what if you see stuff in an auction are you compelled enough to like go and

like comment on there and say like wait a minute like for example like if we know let's say that

it's a car that we know very well like it's an e30 and you see you know what that that's not

original whatever right that's been replaced individual choice to make and how much time you

have and well that's part of this conversation so the answer is no I don't do that I'm not going

I'm not that guy either but I also don't like I'm not on bring a trip I'm not a trailer troll

um but if I if I was on there and I saw a car that I think I think if it happened to be like

I saw a car and they were misrepresenting it and then in a major way I would feel inclined to call

it out yeah like there's for example like it was a blatant thing you know yeah like this is an example

like I think years ago I saw a car that had the wrong gauge clustering it right and it's like

well shit now you're talking about that raises a lot of questions right like not only is it the

the gauge cleaner cluster incorrect but also like what's going on with the odometer right so now

like you're kind of going down that path that's a big one so stuff like that I mean I I think more

recently like I have I'm less inclined I feel like when I was younger and I had more time as

you're saying like you know I would be more involved but like now it's kind of like unless it's

something super super gnarly yeah and I look at bring a trailer all the time more is just a hobby to

like you know late at night I'll have that looking at what's available and sold and just

kind of checking it out but I've never commented like I have no interest you're not in there to

like fight with people about it and well I once had a mighty max and it had a little plant that

grew out of it that's right those are great trucks that's right I did see a Volvo the other day parked

and it had a little plant coming out of the door frame oh nice well there's also those people on

there that like overreact to stuff and that's annoying because they will call out stuff that

isn't really there and they'll be there'll be a weird reflection they're like look at the big

old dent on the fender no one you're like that's a clearly a reflection or something you know or

it's like the car is used it's 40 years old it's going to have some you know flaws as long as it's

represented well it's one so but so here's another thing and I have done this so in the

instance of the x5 that I bought there were some things that were misrepresented and I told cars

and bids about it like I didn't go go back to the the seller because they suck I think there was

it was just a dealership it was a dealer yeah and so but the reason that I did that is because

if you're a dealer a lot of these dealers have relationships with the platform and if

the dealers are consistently doing sketchy shit there has to be recourse because then that you

know that's that taints the image of the platform right so I said here's my experience with these

guys just so you know and maybe if other people do the same and if they continue to do sketchy

shit they don't you know they get booted which should be a thing right so if they're responsible

and I feel like that's kind of as far as it goes I think going back to the dealer itself like

these people I mean I don't think you're going to get very far which car with this are with my

x5 with six is and that was a dealer too and they should be like they need to be held accountable

right that's like yep a professional organization where they should they should be able to like

they need to to represent the car in a proper way where an individual the most likely to fuck around

I know but they they need to be held responsible as I'm saying like a

an individual you could be like well they don't really know what they're talking about they might

not know what you know they might not know a car has been repainted or sure like that like this

dealer like definitely knows when a car has been repainted they look at them yep they they turn

they go through cars day in day out right right michelin ps five star restaurant says that's

such a great name driving the cool car to your high school reunion yay or nay

oh interesting I haven't I have a story about this I went to school and knew this kid for a

long time he ended up going to cal berkeley and worked for the epa like pretty high up anyways

came to our 20 year reunion and drove his dad's miata hell yeah that's sick not his own car like

borrowed a car to wait why does the why does cal epa have anything to do with it or he was just

sort of a bookworm super nerdy and then it came time to like come back to he never cared about

cars or anything like it wasn't that's not him at all but he decided to make the choice

that's to drive the convertible his dad's maroon the convert and see the anniversary one oh and see

maroon nc to i'm just i'm envisioning like yeah like because i mean it's he goes into a parking

lot you know it's not like you go we just so much the front you like valet everyone watching and

stuff that's so that's the thing you never like it's not like rome and michelle you don't like

pull up to the spot and right you know it's not like the valet like everyone sees you yeah

ripping around the parking lot first yeah that's a nay for me i mean i would drive my m3 if i wanted

but sure i don't think i don't think i would what did you guys okay here's a here's a you guys have

had two reunions i imagine or i don't know yeah um what did you how did you get to your reunions

i told my girlfriend to pick me up get over here pick me otter me otter me otter i wrote a horse

so i did i don't ever i don't remember it was literally daily driver it was the x three you

know or whatever it was again and it wasn't even a thing that i considered right like oh i'm going

to go show up in a cool car i feel like um there is a some there are exceptions to this where it's

like hey like you know your three cool car but your car buddies that used to hang out with

that you haven't seen in forever i'm like all right i'll show up because after the fact we're

going to go to the parking lot and talk cars and it's an opportunity right like i feel like that's

kind of a unique situation but um i don't like my the high school friends that i had at the time

i don't think they would really appreciate it i'm sorry yeah i don't i mean if you're i would say

the only reason i would is if you live in a different town and you're taking a road trip

or something you're like i want to drive my like fun car on this road trip you know like on this

i don't know something like that but i wouldn't go out of my way to like drive a cool car to the

reunion like the two reunions that i've gone to i i think we walked to one i had my wife pick me up

girlfriend pick me up and then the other one i went with a friend and an xc 90 so good yeah

good still yeah good stuff jacob torres six says i'm buried in snow much love from new york good

luck jacob and that looked like quite a blizzard some cool stuff coming out of uh manhattan like

three four feet of snow looked wild wild stuff um wild weird wild stuff john rye says pros and

cons of making the podcast an hour and a half instead of an hour well pros and cons and pros

and cons and pros do we not always get close to an hour and a half now we're we're gonna run that

hour more efficient these days yeah i mean let's see pros and cons cons of an hour and a half is

that we don't always have an hour and a half to do it it's hard enough to sometimes get together

for an hour also it's good to hear that you want to hear more of us talking but sometimes you feel

like maybe it's too much i don't know yeah i think in terms of i mean the cons are relatively

minimal because it's not that much longer i think as you said yeah it's really having just dedicating

the time content wise i mean there are some ways to do that used to do three hours a week or something

yeah we used to do two one and a half hour shows right um but um yeah it's i don't know i mean i

think it's more just content right like having the enough to discuss and put out there but we

could even you could build that in right with like segments and shit like that and i guess

that's maybe adding structure that we don't necessarily care to have for this type of show

is that we've tried it we've done things like that and it's it's a challenge um i could see

getting back to more formats like stuff if we i would mine a little more little more segments or

something get to a little more dedication and time right now it feels like we're all spread thin but

i like this thought john thank you for throwing it out there hey maybe that'll motivate us dude

let's hear it well yeah maybe it's a vote how many john rise are there out there right that want

more yeah more do you call it and should we do a little more structure three yeah do we need do we

need like um dedicated segments like what you're listening to something like or just yeah like

share we like automotive news um we all i mean we have we dedicate time to certain things but it's

not like consistent right so it's like obviously like the project stuff and all that oh yeah we

see project car updates every week that kind of stuff and yeah we should i heard warren went to a

hardcore show last weekend dude and i heard lane went to a art show lane had an art show which is a

big he's an artist and he had a show and i couldn't make it but i thought people would be at this

hardcore rock show oil on campus i skipped that part of it dude i know dude i was like well surely

it'll be a good crew at the starting at nine o'clock at night dude sleep dude is that late for

you yeah bro i was at beer 30 before that then i went to the concert and jeez it was quite a scene

man i haven't been to a show like lawn more lawn more was great but charity kiss is killer i'm not

even joking around like i thought you like lawn more i heard you like lawn more lawn more is great

that's like real that's just like hardcore punk yeah but it's you know i was tapping my feet

do you know yeah bob in my head did you listen to the opening dude the acoustic guy like law firm

suicidal law firm or something no i missed it i must have missed him i came in right before

a lawnmower started and then we stayed for a little bit of charity kiss who were you like

skanking or just no no no no no i was sitting at the bar but charity kiss is not hardcore and

they're really quite good they're from rino and uh they're on apple music i don't know if they're

on spotify but check them out charity kiss i didn't look up lawnmower i'll be honest but they're both

on uh they're both on yeah they're both on spotify both available yeah i was very impressed by charity

kiss i didn't know what to expect and uh the crowd is classic um just and you know what don't take

out a lot of love the lawnmower like called him out thanked him gave him a little like standing

ovation kind of thing it was it was sweet it was sweet to see that's cool he's got his whole

scene there so how was the earth show i'm sorry i missed it it was good it was fun um yeah we had

a lot of people show up it was palo gante myself and this guy enzo showing his punk rock like hardcore

videos that he shoots on like mini dv oh cool oh shit um and then he had like a mini dv set up

with a widescreen that was like recording everyone in there so you could see it on a crt tv sorry

like rad uh yeah it's cool i had like what's up was chris part of it or did you just do the

no he just cruised by he did one of the he did a poster okay made a poster of us got i made a

poster don't they made a poster was kind of like a you know don't i put the whole thing together

basically like said hey lane you're you're going to be part of this and i said okay and then he said

enzo you know enzo you're going to be part of this palo you're going to be part of this we're

like okay um so yeah it all came together in the end it was fun stuff still up there downtown

sanikers adjacent to 11th hour copy copy um at the sanikers art center so yeah it was fun though

it was cool a lot of people rolled through that's great um you know kina sold some i didn't really

have prices up or anything i just kind of threw some stuff on the wall but um you know sold some

easy so it was fun awesome sweet yeah i was sorry i couldn't make it but i did show my support

in another way in another way that's rather man that's really cool um yeah i saw leading i saw the

yeah the lead up um was did don take him up with the name or were you guys all involved

oh what's that laguna that's like that's like his company that's like his brand

oh really he's been kind of doing that with so he has a little studio down there and he's calling

out like a laguna studio that's his little office so it's like hit you know it's his thing really

oh gotcha um and then uh i came in it was funny like i rolled i did um i did like a little b-line

drive on friday and i rolled in with all my stuff kind of like framed i had like six i had a whole

like corner i had like 16 pieces on the wall like 24 by 20 pieces or whatever and then i had a bunch

of pieces like little small pieces on the kind of like sitting on the table kind of thing and i

rolled in at four kind of thinking i'm like a dirt bag kind of like um showing up late the day before

to put all my stuff up and i roll in everything's all frame matted and everything i had worked

out you know i had done it all and i roll in i'm like feeling like and i and they're like oh which

one should we print like you know they haven't printed it yet they hadn't even done shit they

hadn't done anything dude oh my god i got these guys i'm like dude uh yeah so artist man you can't

rush art dude yeah so yeah art life i had i had all my shit together and they were still like

putting stuff up at like the show started like uh noon on saturday and they were still putting

stuff up at like one but you know it all it all worked out it's like yeah some learning experiences

you know it's all again yeah next time around though they know what it takes and when also like

he got that space and then wanted to do this archer like before he'd even yeah you know yeah

it's a cool little spot so it's cool yeah that is a neat little area it's got a little it's cool

it's like a little terrarium dude it's just all glass you know so yeah yeah it's all these little

offices in this cool building and there's like a playhouse that does you know music and plays and

stuff and yeah it's cool um yeah i'm sure you've been down in that little area right there is that

where the chinese place was yeah it's a little the little chinese place you see the lantern now it's

full steam dumpling and yeah i'm back in there back in the day it was india joes oh yeah back in the

old day back in my my back when i was a little kid my parents go to india joes dude i'd never

liked that place as a kid i mean i don't i don't even remember i just remember they would be like oh

yeah we're going it's just rice it was just like the rice dishes i can make at home now you know

and then i remember that place moved to the over where um front street patagonia is yeah oh over

there yeah yeah it was there matt chewer says are you team attached or detached garage he says i think

the dream would be a two-car detached garage in the backyard with a long gated driveway on the side

that leads up to it i'm team both i want a two-car garage for the dailies and then i want a separate

barn shed situation which i've already loved that dreamed about because i want that to be like a

space away from distraction and private and quiet kind of thing like not quiet for me per se but

quiet for the house as well and ideally this is a huge garage that holds multiple cars and be

across the way from the property that kind of thing all right check it out so for me my main

like my main garage where i just park my panel like the cars i drive most often detach but

a little breeze away i like that i love that especially for here and where art lives like

we can get away with that all year round but i do like the separation of space

that's my my thoughts well also it's not like fully attached but because i like the aesthetic of a

house without a garage you know not not like the you know yeah yeah i know it is a thing right i mean

as you're looking at it architecturally like now you're adding this door right and like this thing

and for sure i'm just going back to warren's thing though like i agree 100 percent and it also

has to do with how you set your stuff up right so like whereas like you know the garage that's

attached to your house it's more just convenience in and out keep it super minimalist basic nothing

on the walls you know like whatever no tools minimal tools maybe a small toolbox and and

then that's also storage for shit that you need access for the house right like eventually you

might need that christmas shit or holiday stuff versus like your shop where you have like your

heavy duty stuff and like you have all of your tools and a couple lifts would be the dream and

all that kind of stuff right like yeah that would be that would be the move for sure at least the

way i think last one here walter m woods is hi y'all we're gonna do walter forever i know can i get

a shout out for my four-year-old daughter mia that listens to the show with me mia you're awesome

mia you're rad you're the future your dad's rat mea hopefully you get to drive around in fun cars

and listen to this podcast i want a question for mea sorry for all the bad words yeah mia should

ask us a question i want to me a question oh that's good yeah yeah next week mia come up with a

great question and mia do you like your dad's mustang or his Porsche better oh doesn't even

say he's in there oh or the Mercedes let's throw that one in too yeah yeah yeah tell us what's your

favorite car period let's hear it oh yeah what's her favorite car yeah all right that takes care

of questions tribute time you guys good i have one quick update oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so just

project car so i have the the e 30 running great everything's cool now idle wise all that shit's

done but i did decide that i need to put a cat back on this after driving it up north and back

and just and then idling in town with the windows down you know all that as you like

come to a stop you know like all that how that air just comes right into the cab again and like

i can't hang dude i can't do fucking exhaust fumes and nasty it is it's gnarly right it's gnarly so

i'm so stoked because the as we were talking about the right now the way that the the exhaust is set

up i couldn't fit a cat and a resonator which it needs to eliminate that rasp right now like it's

has a very large resonator with no cat and just the muffler and allegedly but you had to basically

choose but i found a cat that flowmaster makes that's really short it's eight inches long

with the flat with the actual tubing so the centerpiece is even shorter like the actual

cat piece and it's very low profile super slim and it's like the nicest way you can buy to

stainless steel really nice i found one on ebay and it's getting shipped to me from washington so

that one will work i can actually i i talked to my exhaust guy down here and we can put it in front

of the resonator and basically push the resonator back and eliminate this like um flex point flex

joint we don't really need it based on how the pipe bends there and so long story short is i can

add a cat to the setup which not only helps with the stinkiness but it also will quiet it down even

further and eliminate rasp more which is huge so i'm so i think i'm dangerously close dangerously

close to become a thing now um to um solving my exhaust was and maybe even keeping this one even

though it's a little too low i had him the exhaust shop actually did raise it with the new exhaust

mounts that are the new hangers that he put on there last time so i do have a little more

clearance which has been helpful um but um i think if this might be my solution and i might not

have to go and reinvent this exhaust wheel we'll see what this looks like but um i'm excited to

try this and also i got to say man um it's isn't it nice just to like order parts like it's nice

to get parts i don't know about paying for the parts but like when they arrive you're like

yes now i have it's just it's such a it's such a great feeling and um another thing that i ordered

is um uh this is super silly but um i have a um it's like an alcantara dash mat right it covers

my cracked e30 dashes all of them are and the previous owner buddy mikey ordered this one um

it's a it's a nice one but he when he ordered it he checked the seat belt um the seat belt box

because you know like the early e30s have um like a seat belt warning like the e21's had

remember on the dash okay and it's and it's like a little yeah what do you call it like a little

light that the indicator that's that's kind of tacked on to the dash yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

so there's a cutout for that on this and it's small it's like a couple inches but it's like it's on

top of the dash and right i usually hide it with like a hat or something when i'm when i have the

car park because it's just like it's so lame it's like a little exposed rectangle of the

fucking dash and so i like it's one of these things were like it kind of bothered me but it

wasn't that big of a deal and i said you know what why haven't i just fucking replaced this thing so i

went and ordered a replacement with a knot without a cutout so it's totally smooth so i'm getting a

new fresh dash mat to go on here i'm very very impressed by this dash by the way nice what

were you gonna say or i thought lane was gonna say something oh no i was i did something similar

where i had these uh camping curtains that go over the vanagin door windows and you only use them

when you're sleeping in the car but i had been gifted these for my sister but she got tan and

she's like i didn't have gray and i was like okay and it was like a khaki it wasn't like terrible

but doesn't match the car at all and and it's so like superficial you know functionally they're

the same but i was like you know what i'm just gonna get the right ones like i don't sleep in

this car very often but when i do it's going to be the matching set so it matches the the curtains

match the drapes or whatever carpets all right nice all that stuff it's pretty fun it's a good

time yeah what i one thing i was going to say about this is um i i'm very impressed with this

specific one i'll i'll tell you what it's called because um yeah it's it's been on the car for

seven years or so and it hasn't faded at all which is like really impressive for an alcantara

unbelievable yeah i'm really surprised it's really impressive i mean this car as long as i've

owned it has always been garaged you know so like that helps i'm sure but like but it's a it's um i

think it's a cover craft it's by cover craft and they do um this this style um dash mat in it and

it's whatever their brand of like alcantara is called it's not alcantara it's like it's like

micro suede or something it's um it's called a suede mat so it's it's suede and then capital

mat and um yeah it's really nice how do you secure it to the dash is it like velcro tape

yeah velcro tape yeah yeah but it's really impressive like how nice like they do a really

good job it's cut perfectly like the in terms of like the size and how it fits on the dash it's

really clean um and also the material is really nice i gotta get a mat bro yeah i mean i know and

i'm this is you know unscathed land is like your dash is this deep it's two inches dude yeah you

like touch it with your hand you touch it you can touch the windshield when you with your when your

hands on the steering wheel that's the craziest yeah i do like that that's what makes those cars

feel like you're very got great visibility yeah same with a yeah mercedes of the era are the same

right they're very close all right sure of your time it's trivia time um recently there's been

a recall for um i'm trying to figure out how to do this uh what truck has been recalled for airbags

the problem isn't only that the shrapnel comes out of the airbag when it goes off like the

kata recall it also does not register in the dme that an airbag has gone off so oh cool it's

really nice for used cars it is not detected in the stored codes oh that it's had an airbag

incident what truck is it i'm gonna go to the dodge product dude that sounds like a dodge dude

yeah dodge ram yeah ram huh i just saw something god shit right there a dude like sorry me instagram

reviewer of the dodge products was doing sort of like an off-road just dirt road i should say

and he's done this with all the trucks he's reviewed and the airbags went off on their own

blasted him in the face curtain airbags the whole deal he had blood on his forehead

took it to the dealer to be like what the hell and they're like they plug it in and there's no

code stored nothing that says that this has happened so not only is it insanely dangerous

then you could buy a car that's used that's had airbag deployment without any record of it

which means accident so which means accident yeah so now you're talking about a car that

has no record of an accident yeah it's uh that's pretty gnarly it's pretty gnarly so there's a huge

recall for these trucks don't buy a used dodge unless you know the seller or something i don't

even know yeah although in this case it sounds like he didn't even get into an accident which is

even worse no that's probably like it was like it probably got airborne a little bit or or dynamically

something happened where freaked out it's like oh you're about to crash so like exactly and i know

so another car that did this a new Mercedes that he hit a large pothole and the side impact airbag

deployed but you know that's all like recorded and it's at least it's something you can sort of

like blame this is not that at all and the guy said that wasn't the first time

so that's i will do and i will say i drove my brothers from 2023 dodge ram da da da

home from you know to home from the airport the other day i gave him a ride to the airport and

back and that truck man it not the i don't know not that great dude like you know i mean it's just

like i rented them there it felt old dude it felt kind of like yeah they just feel like not great i

like that dude not that said i feel like new new Chevrolet trucks are really nice like they've

really stepped up their game the interiors are way nicer like the fit and finish is really impressive

like i've said i haven't driven a few suburbants and there and trucks i i rented um for the last

radwood norkel i had a news whatever silverado i guess you know like truck um and it was yeah

they're really nice the infotainment system is really intuitive um they're plenty fast they're

they handle pretty well like for what they are and they also the interior the quality of the

interior has been ramped up dramatically like versus the previous generation i mean yeah that's

saying a lot because gm's i've been a little bit behind the aphelon rather than yeah well i think

they they're there yeah they're it's it's pretty solid and i can see why like you know certain

places they you know you hear like you know like like yellowstone or whatever right like they talk

about like how everybody has a tahoe there and like all these super wealthy people it's like yeah

this is plenty of fine for this purpose it's literally the only car i use or this car is only

used here they're great spacious it's comfortable it's luxurious enough you know it's great for

weather motor and yeah those are solid pretty legit yeah i'm down this last question

rumor has it that this iconic sports car is changing to a hybrid platform next design change

m3 negative dang sports car or what sports car is left

um

and it's like on it yes sir corvettes already done it yeah Porsche has already done it

yep um but

miata that is correct what there are rumors that the next miata will be a hybrid

weird i just hate this stuff i know you could make it like a very small hybrid system and

all this but why why adding complexity yeah what are we like it's and yeah like what is like

that car is a very specific type of experience right like it's like it doesn't yeah there's no

need for that it's all it should be add lightness not add fucking complexity right or have two models

i guess you know but they're not a big enough company to have a whole model line of hybrid like

Porsche has added adds models right they have the hybrid yes yes but i don't think miata can

pull that off and or mazda and make make money like a whole production line for a completely

separate car with like totally different you know drivetrain and transmissions and it just doesn't

make i feel like you know that maybe maybe that's an rx seven proposition or something you know

like this performance oriented thing and like still make it a manual and yeah but like um but

yeah the miata doesn't make sense to me it's like it's like it's like a hybrid elise like that also

doesn't make sense right that's it's does this thing so well and they sell so many cars with

manual transmissions and it's like the the last one that they're really doing well down to even

the styling and uh just don't mess with it it's also interesting where i was just going to say

cost to totally and we're at a weird crossroads with these electrification of fleets and incentives

from government and such that i don't know it feels very like we're about to see some

interesting changes in like new new cars coming out there's going to be some models

that are dropped and and moved around and stuff so but it's also like yeah it's weird because

it's so politically driven also right so like this could swing the other direction again totally

totally so that's why like the yeah yeah autumn like the oems have a really really difficult task

right now and i know the portions like trying to figure out their came in situation and that's

oh yeah continue to happen um yeah it's uh it's messy for sure um it seems like at least you know

the rest of the world has consistency right like you know yes like sales ev sales are

quote down in europe but they're still significant and they're and that's still trending as the most

popular right china's obviously you know ev sales have surpassed you know ice engines so

and that'll continue there so i um i think yeah we'll see what happens with us i mean long term but

but that's the thing there is no long term it's like you like you're saying you have a few years

here and there that you have to comply with these regulations and then some new thing comes out and

well yeah i mean i'm thinking eight years right versus what's immediately in front of us yeah so

even immediately like there's talk of you know dropping the id buzz portion dropping their whole

lineup that they basically have ready to go i don't know id buzz was dropped i thought they were

just on hiatus i think it's fully dropped right or well they're going to take a year off right

because they're not selling them and i think they're reassessing but that could be like they don't

come back so the range on that thing they fucked up it's not good right it's like too low yeah

and that's like that's like five years ago range right right and then i wonder especially for a

family hauler like companies like rivian and lucid and what how they're thinking about it all like

it's a it's a tricky navigation yeah so it's portion totally i keep here i i see all these

headlines and you just can't like i i hate all the sensationalized like headlines these days

about everything and you can't trust anything you read you know it's pretty fun uh huh it's so it's

so annoying dude like it's great i watched like emmy or whatever it was the other like a few weeks

ago or month ago and it's like the like sensationalized reports about that the day after with eliza

schlegender whatever i think it was live right it was like it was such bullshit like the fake

reports of people being mad that weren't even mad and stuff and it's like it was so annoying but

like anyways yeah it's just like fake fake news right but is Porsche reversing the electric

came in and boxer or does it look like it no it looks like i'm reading this is an article on the

drive this is a few days old okay that outie indirectly confirmed the electric Porsche

boxer and came and will live and the e b sports car platform isn't going anywhere

because i keep seeing reports it's like it's like porches abandoning the electric they're going

back to ice you know so i think they don't know i like this well yeah exactly the last report i

saw said that they they're the leadership was meeting days ago to decide what to do and i

guarantee you they don't have a great answer and so you got to weigh the investment you've already

made versus are you going to lose all your money producing the cars and cut your losses or just

keep going with the strategy and see how it all pans out but well here's some here's another detail

which makes sense why they think that it would survive if outie is on board with this because

they would share a platform so apparently the next generation tt is going to be all electric

and it would share the platform with the Porsche came in that's what they said is that outie is

going forward with it but that's a different market that's a different customer so in a different

case use case i mean they're claiming that there is no outie tt without the came in

because they need that like like volume for a volume like you know and economy is a scale

standpoint and all that so um it does have yeah interesting i mean i i i mean it's a it's it's

an interesting one i don't i i i guess you would like to think that this is what fascinates me you

would like to think that these companies have done it enough like market research and they know

their customer enough that they feel that this is a sellable thing and it's like yeah but they were

also being forced to do it for a little bit there right it wasn't like market research it was like

being forced you know the by 2030 to right the euro laws yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's like it's also

is there an angle here where they see hey like the way that our our standard came in sell like

the non rs models or whatever they keep the rs as an ice engine like they're doing with the gt-3s

and then you know the the ev came in would do fine i don't know like i i i yeah that's that's maybe

the assessment there or the way that they've like they plan to do this um and it's like

based on you know the the target customer um they would be fine with such a thing and um

i feel like if the one sort of like kind of silver lining here if you can call it that is that

maybe it's going to take Porsche to do this to like build the right execution of like the

manual transmission ev with rev matching and sound and all that and i feel like if anyone's

going to do it right like i mean obviously hunday's already done a pretty decent job like

i feel like Porsche could execute it well well in the first like proper sports car if you don't

like right you don't count the first the first tesla right um yeah yeah i mean yeah but if they

can do the the gearing thing right like if they can do like you know actually like you know a shiftable

yeah fun little you know ev sports car um yeah this they're the ones to do it um i guess toyota

might be able to pull it off to in like an mr2 kind of fashion but um but maybe it will take this

to to to do it right and then maybe we'll get one over to a certain extent i mean it's a different

experience obviously it's not the same thing but the one thing electric cars have i was just thinking

about it when you were talking about that is like for driving hard is like that engine breaking is

pretty nice dude oh yeah you get used to that really quick yeah for driving hard like it would be

pretty good to like hustle yeah i could see that it's like having you know a manual would like

you know sticking in the gear yeah being in the right gear and having that really nice engine

breaking but you have it you would have it even in a higher gear it has that you have that safety

net and almost yeah right and also i mean it's kind of interesting to think that in that environment

you're you're also possibly extending the experience right like in terms because you're adding you're

adding as you're going through and like of course you're using a lot of power to get into the you

know as you're driving but also you're very hard on the braking in the region so i can see that

extending the range quite a bit right yeah i could be doing too where it's like you prolong your

driving experience which is kind of interesting to think about yeah until you have to sit for

half an hour and change the thing i'm curious to see obviously like at this point like you know i

think we're all in agreement that it isn't necessarily what we're seeking out but i'm

curious to see how the market responds and yeah and actually trying one out and and see how that

evolves but it's not i just don't think it's the right move for them to like completely eliminate

the ice engine in that category so i feel like maybe because they see that they obviously sell

rs and the the top of the line models like hotcakes and those are in super in high demand so

you continue to do that and that's like your your performance like ultimate experience thing

i'm sure there'll be a cayman ev turbo or whatever that's also very fast but it's not

it's not the same thing you know but it's easier to say that than like how much money has gone into

like developing an ice only chassis and all this kind of i mean sorry uh sorry electric only chassis

but if out he's doing it that's where it goes right it's like if out he already has enough of

like if like oh yeah sure if they share 70 percent of the componentry and and platform you know and

now they had expenses significantly reduced on the Porsche side and for sure so um yeah

yeah all right well those are some thoughts good angela trivia you guys got it we'll see

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