P-Car Talk Podcast dives into Porsche’s new 911 GT3 SC convertible, debating whether the concept makes sense and how Porsche managed the leaks. The hosts weigh the appeal of a manual-only, track-bred GT3 with convertible usability—arguing it’s less about speed records and more about driver immersion and everyday practicality. They also unpack Porsche’s naming (why “SC”?) and the likely pricing/availability strategy. The discussion expands into broader GT3/GT2 future speculation, plus a fun detour into a host’s real-world fuel pump failure and tow experience en route to a shop.
Hot off the press, literally revealed yesterday, Porsche unveiled the 911 GT3 S/C, and we had a lot to say. Let's start with what it actually is, because the name does some heavy lifting. S/C stands for Sport Cabriolet, though Porsche being Porsche, they let you sit with that for a second before confirming it. The badge itself is a callback to the 911 SC from the late 1970s, where SC meant Super Carrera, a car that basically defined what the usable everyday 911 looked like before the GT program existed. Using it here is either a brilliant wink at the obsessives in the room or the kind of marketing move that makes you think someone in Zuffenhausen has been deep on Rennlist. Either way, it works.
So what did they actually build? Porsche took the lightweight bones of the 911 S/T and dropped in the naturally aspirated 4.0 liter flat six from the GT3. 510 horsepower, 9,000 rpm. And the result is the first ever open top GT3 in production history. Not a limited run. Not 1,948 units. You can actually order one, which is either the most exciting or most controversial sentence in this episode depending on who you ask.
The Weight Question
This is where the internet was ready to roast Porsche, and they came prepared. The GT3 S/C weighs 1,497 kilograms. That is just 18 kilos more than the standard GT3 coupe and about 30 kilos more than the 991 generation Speedster. For a convertible that number is almost offensive in how good it is. Carbon fiber on the hood, fenders, doors, and rear anti roll bar. Magnesium wheels standard. Carbon ceramics. They even swapped the battery to a lithium ion unit to kill another four kilos. At some point it stops being engineering and starts being a personality disorder, but we respect it.
The Roof
Here is the thing that split the room a little. This is the first GT3 with a fully automated power top. Twelve seconds. Electric. Works at up to 37 miles per hour. The purists who are already composing their forum posts about how the Speedster had a manual tonneau cover and that was the whole point, we hear you. But if you have ever been caught in a South Florida rain shower at a Cars and Coffee in your suede seat 911, you understand why this exists. Porsche also threw in a heated rigid glass rear window and an integrated electric wind deflector. This is not a race car you bought to trailer. It is a road car they actually want you to live with.
Manual Only. No Debate.
No PDK option. Not available. The GT3 S/C comes exclusively with the short ratio six speed manual and that is the entire spec sheet on transmission. At $273,000, Porsche is making a pretty clear statement about who this car is for. The chassis is tuned closer to the GT3 Touring than the full winged GT3, which makes sense because you are not taking this to a track day, you are on a mountain road with the roof down and the flat six screaming toward nine thousand rpm with nothing between you and that sound. That is the pitch. That is the whole pitch, and it is a genuinely good one.
What It Actually Means
The S/C picks up the spiritual thread the Speedster left, but Porsche is clear it is not a direct successor. The Speedster was a numbered tribute. This is a catalog car, which is either democratizing access to the GT3 experience or softening what made the Speedster special. We landed somewhere in the middle on that one. What is not debatable is that the cylinder heads are revised from the previous generation GT3 and the camshafts are the sharper units from the GT3 RS, so the engine is genuinely better. You get more top end character. You get it with the sky above you. At this price, with this spec, Porsche is not asking you to compromise. They are asking you to decide what kind of driver you are.
Outro
That is the GT3 S/C. Drop your thoughts in the comments, are you buying it, are you waiting for the inevitable RS version, or are you holding out for something that says Mezger on the cam covers. Find us at pcartalk.com for events, support the show at Patreon.com/pcartalk, and follow along at @pcartalk. Big love to the Kimchi Crew, Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik. We will see you next week.
"there was speculation for a while prior like leading up to it I feel like maybe somebody insider kind of knew and because they were spot-on for like what it was gonna be a lot of times Porsche is pretty good with this stuff where they keep this stuff pretty close to their chest so I got to think an inside source kind of knew like they knew it was a cab they knew was gonna be GT3"
“GT3” is Porsche’s name for the more track-focused 911. It’s usually built to feel sharper and more performance-oriented than a normal 911.
GT3 is Porsche’s designation for a track-focused 911 variant, historically aligned with customer racing rules. It typically emphasizes performance, chassis/handling development, and motorsport-derived components.
"...once once they're like well you know I can kind of tell there's a body roll in here I can kind of feel like that I'm like okay well to convertible but that was Chris Harris and he said it's very slight yeah so I mean it shows him on track..."
Chris Harris is a car expert who talks a lot about Porsche. Here, he’s saying the convertible doesn’t lean around much when driving.
Chris Harris is a well-known Porsche-focused automotive journalist and broadcaster. In this segment, he’s referenced as the source for judging how much body roll the convertible GT3 shows.
"...I mean it shows him on track just sliding it so I can't imagine it having that much chassis flex yeah..."
Chassis flex is when the car’s frame twists or bends more than you’d like. They’re saying the convertible doesn’t seem to flex excessively when driven hard.
Chassis flex is the twisting or bending of the vehicle’s structure under load, especially during hard cornering or uneven surfaces. The speaker argues that the convertible likely doesn’t flex much because of how it behaves on track.
"after they released it like when you have a special car like an SD or
[316.3s] say any type of thing like that and then the next generation GT3 the dot-2 is
[320.4s] also has the same gearbox or also has the fender like do you feel that that"
The gearbox is what changes the gears so the engine can stay in the right power range. It affects how the car accelerates and how smooth or quick the shifts feel.
A gearbox is the transmission that selects gear ratios to match engine speed to vehicle speed. When people say a new GT3 has the “same gearbox,” they’re usually talking about how the car delivers power and how it behaves under acceleration and shifting.
"[320.4s] also has the same gearbox or also has the fender like do you feel that that
[325.8s] takes away from the specialty that car do you feel like that's just how we"
A fender is the panel around the wheel area. On a sports car, it can also be part of the styling and aerodynamics, so reusing it can make the car feel less unique.
A fender is the body panel over the wheel, and on performance cars it often carries functional aero details. The speaker is questioning whether reusing exterior elements like fenders makes the next GT3 feel less “special,” even if it’s still engineering-driven.
"they also a car developer so they're not gonna spend R&D and make something and then and be like that's so bespoke that we're never gonna touch that again"
R&D means “research and development.” It’s the time and money companies spend designing new ideas and proving they work.
R&D stands for research and development—the engineering work required to design and validate new parts and technologies. The speaker is arguing that Porsche won’t create one-off solutions that can’t be reused across models.
"Do you think we see an MR spec like a hard a hardcover for the convertible being carbon fiber I don't think so"
Carbon fiber is a very light, strong material used in performance cars. The idea here is whether the convertible’s top structure could be made from it to save weight.
Carbon fiber is a lightweight composite material used to reduce mass and improve stiffness. The speaker is speculating whether the convertible’s hardtop/structure could be made from carbon fiber.
"like it's this car is not made to put down like track times like he said it's either so it's like I don't know it's a little extra spicy"
Track times are how fast a car can go around a course when you’re timing laps. The point here is that the car isn’t only about being the quickest possible on a track.
Track times are the measured lap or performance times achieved on a racetrack. The speaker argues that this convertible isn’t intended to be optimized purely for chasing the fastest track laps, even though it’s a GT product.
"...it could be a coupe but it just has a canvas top yeah I think that changed..."
A canvas top is the fabric roof on a convertible. They’re saying that with the roof up, the car still looks more like a coupe than earlier convertibles did.
A “canvas top” is a fabric convertible roof. The speaker notes that even when the roof is up, the 991 cab’s body lines and silhouette can still resemble a coupe, which affects how the car looks and feels aesthetically.
"...because they couldn't with the way the what the position of the engine like we dug into this like why is this this way because they had to play with the engine placement..."
Engine placement means where the engine is located in the car. The host is saying the 911’s rear-engine layout forces design tradeoffs that affect how the convertible looks and fits together.
“Engine placement” refers to where the engine sits in the car, which strongly influences packaging and body shape. The speaker connects the convertible’s roof/appearance compromises to the 911’s rear-engine layout and the need to fit components around it.
"991 they did so much revamping of that car their engineers were smart enough to say okay what let's solve this cab problem moving forward because it does help it definitely does help"
“991” is Porsche’s internal name for a specific generation of the 911. They’re saying Porsche redesigned parts of it to make the convertible top work better and improve the driving feel.
“991” refers to the Porsche 911 generation code (the 911 produced roughly from 2011–2019). In the segment, they’re talking about Porsche revamping the car to address issues with the convertible/cab design and improve how it behaves.
"I see the value in them the older I get having driven a few topless cars on full tilt and listening to that exhaust sound reverberate through the the canyon walls"
“Topless cars” here means driving without the roof—either a convertible or targa-style setup. The key point is how the open cabin changes sound, airflow, and perceived speed compared to a coupe.
"we weren't going like nine tenths we were probably going like six tenths but that's still fun and it was still fun to hear the car"
“Six tenths” is a way of saying you’re driving pretty hard, but not at the absolute limit. They’re emphasizing the car feels fun even when you’re not pushing 100%.
“Six tenths” is another driving-slang reference meaning roughly 60% effort/capability. It’s used to communicate that the car still feels good and communicative even without maximum aggression.
"you can put the top up and down very quickly especially in some inclement
[828.5s] weather whatever if you want to daily drive it or semi-daily drive it"
“Inclement weather” just means bad weather—like rain or wind. They’re saying the faster roof helps you deal with that easily.
Inclement weather means unpleasant or adverse conditions like rain, wind, or cold. The hosts are arguing that quick convertible top operation makes the car more usable when conditions change unexpectedly.
"whatever if you want to daily drive it or semi-daily drive it if you
[832.8s] want to go grab a bite like I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving the top"
A “daily drive” is using a car as your regular transportation rather than a weekend-only vehicle. The discussion frames convertible roof speed and convenience as key factors for whether a Porsche can realistically serve as a daily driver.
"like I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving the top
[838.5s] down in a spider even if you're just grabbing a quick bite"
Leaving a convertible top down is a practical risk decision—especially for theft/vandalism and weather exposure. The hosts connect it to their comfort level and the idea that quick roof operation reduces the downside of using the car in short trips.
"you could just buy one like where they can do away with like ADM where they're
[987.1s] like let's just mark the price up and let people order them it may take you two
[992.0s] years to get one but you don't have to pay ADM because they're not they're not"
ADM is when a dealer adds extra money on top of the sticker price. It usually happens when a car is hard to get, so dealers try to charge more because people will still pay.
ADM stands for “additional dealer markup,” where a dealer charges above the car’s advertised price. It’s common during high-demand launches, especially when supply is limited and buyers are eager to get the newest model.
"like it would be nice to have a PDK that's when that's when next year's model comes out yeah the manual PDK thing is between the two"
PDK is Porsche’s automatic transmission with two clutches. It changes gears fast, so the car feels more responsive—especially when you’re stuck in traffic.
PDK is Porsche’s dual-clutch automatic transmission. It shifts quickly and keeps the engine in the right power band, which is why it’s popular for daily driving and traffic.
"I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who want a PDK and then upcharge them right that's for the convertible RS yeah if they do that's a statement right"
An upcharge means you pay extra money for a feature. They’re saying Porsche might charge more if you want the PDK.
An upcharge is extra cost added for a specific option—here, the PDK transmission. The speakers suggest Porsche may price PDK as a premium option rather than including it standard.
"you name these electric cars turbo names and all this other stuff and you're like wait a minute it doesn't have a turbo in it you're like no it doesn't even have an engine in it"
Electric cars run on electricity from a battery, not a gas engine. The point here is that the name might sound like it has a turbo, but it doesn’t.
Electric cars are vehicles powered by electric motors rather than an internal-combustion engine. The speaker contrasts “turbo” naming with the reality that some electric models may use “turbo” in the name even though they don’t have a turbocharger or even an engine.
"they did are they're doing pts colors for this car they obviously care about it more than just like
hey it's out of course i mean you gotta add spice to it right"
PTS is Porsche’s custom paint program. It lets you choose special colors beyond the standard options, which is why people think the car is more “special.”
“PTS” refers to Porsche’s Paint to Sample program, where customers can order highly customized exterior colors. It’s a major part of Porsche’s personalization culture and can affect wait times and pricing.
"...if i'm gonna drive it in the mountains i gotta get the 30 millimeter thick ppf all over it so i don't you know chip it up and then the car then you end up washing the damn thing out anyways because you can't see the you know the ppf so damn dense..."
PPF is a clear protective layer you stick on your car’s paint. It helps stop rock chips and scratches, but it can make the car look different and sometimes harder to see the true paint color underneath.
PPF (paint protection film) is a clear, tough film applied to a car’s paint to help prevent chips, scratches, and minor abrasions. It can be thick and highly noticeable up close, and if it’s too dense or dark-looking, it can make the underlying paint color harder to visually judge.
"...touring is probably the most understated GT car that they make right so like if you got a color in a touring..."
A “GT” car is built for comfortable long drives, not just short bursts of speed. It’s usually meant to feel good on the highway while still being quick.
“GT” stands for grand touring—cars designed to combine performance with comfort for longer drives. In Porsche discussions, “GT” often implies a balance of speed, refinement, and usability rather than pure track focus.
"...it's gonna have the decals that have the flares even if you're not a Porsche fanatic if you're just into cars at all you're gonna know this isn't like a normal cab..."
Flares are the “extensions” around the wheel arches. They make the car look wider and can also help fit bigger tires.
Fender flares are body extensions around the wheel openings that can visually widen the car and sometimes accommodate wider tires or different suspension setups. The speaker points to flares as a distinctive cue that even non-fans can recognize.
"and it only has 500 horsepower like
usually need a lot more power in a car to be able to run that time"
Horsepower is a way to describe how much power the engine makes. The point here is that good engineering can make a car fast even if the horsepower number isn’t the highest.
Horsepower is a measure of engine power output and is often used as a headline number for performance. The hosts argue that the GT3’s performance suggests you don’t always need “a lot more power” to achieve strong times when the car is engineered well.
"like it's able to put down all the power there's like zero wheel spin on launch control um and it puts down it's not made to drag race but it can put down a fast time"
Launch control is a mode that helps the car get off the line fast. It controls power and traction so the tires don’t just spin.
Launch control is a driver-assist feature that manages engine output and traction systems to get the car moving as quickly and consistently as possible from a standstill. It typically coordinates throttle, transmission behavior, and traction control to reduce wheel spin.
"racing stripes that can disappear um or be electrified and can like light up almost kind of like street glow i think or something like that i've seen i've seen um"
They’re talking about stripes on a car that could light up like LED lights. Instead of just being paint or stickers, the stripes would have electronics inside them.
The hosts are discussing racing stripes that can be powered to illuminate—similar to decorative LED “light strips.” In this context, the stripe becomes an electrical system rather than just paint or decals, which changes how it’s designed and serviced.
Term
electrochromic window film
"they had this um for temp for window film now too for like offices i don't think they've used any cars yet but it just it just electricity"
They’re talking about a film-like material that can change how it looks when electricity is applied. If you used that idea on car stripes, the stripes could fade in/out or change color.
The hosts reference a “for window film” technology that uses electricity to change appearance—commonly associated with electrochromic or electronically tintable films. If applied to exterior graphics like stripes, it would allow dynamic visibility (e.g., appearing/disappearing or shifting color).
"how about one one or two of those fail on your stripe that's going to look like ass when you want to activate it right or like portions of it don't activate"
A major concern raised is that if only part of an illuminated stripe fails (e.g., sections don’t light up due to shorts), the whole stripe may need replacement. That turns a cosmetic feature into a maintenance and cost problem, and the hosts frame it as “R&D for that” being a headache for whoever owns the system.
"[3106.9s] really cool option yes i want to have illuminated stripes on my car did they say like specific
[3111.9s] model they just said we're doing stripes yeah"
These are stripes on the car that can light up. Instead of just being stickers you see in the daytime, they’re designed to glow so they stand out at night.
“Illuminated stripes” refers to body graphics that can glow or light up, usually using embedded LEDs or a special light-transmitting film/finish. The idea is to make decals visible and distinctive at night, not just in daylight.
"[3111.9s] model they just said we're doing stripes yeah the pat the patent is just for it says disappearing
[3117.8s] and electrifying stripes so that could be side script too like it could be a yeah like hologram"
A patent is legal paperwork that protects a new idea. If someone invents a special way to make something (like glowing graphics), they can patent it so others can’t copy it easily.
A patent is legal protection for an invention, such as a specific method for creating illuminated graphics. The speaker connects the patent filing to the idea that Porsche (or another party) wants to control or monetize the technology, especially if it’s used in racing.
"so my fuel pump took a dump at buckies so that's twice off of 75 south like with two different cars that i feel pump issues"
The fuel pump is what sends gas from the tank to the engine. If it fails, the car may not start even though the starter tries to crank.
A fuel pump is the component that pressurizes and delivers fuel from the tank to the engine. When it “takes a dump,” the engine may crank but won’t start, or may fail to build the fuel pressure needed for ignition.
"[3637.4s] about that crap anymore so like yes it means new parts yeah um you know the brakes already got
[3644.1s] replaced um rotors and pads when we did suspension"
They’re mentioning brake maintenance. Brakes wear out over time, and mechanics may replace the pads and check or replace the metal discs (rotors).
They’re talking about brake service/maintenance. In practice, brake work usually involves replacing brake pads and sometimes resurfacing or replacing rotors depending on wear.
"keep an eye on the brake fluid i have a you know a brake fluid meter that measures water yeah the dip"
Brake fluid is what makes your brake pedal pressure turn into stopping power. If it gets contaminated with water, braking can fade more easily.
Brake fluid is a hydraulic fluid that transfers pedal force to the brakes, and it’s sensitive to moisture absorption. The speaker’s point is that monitoring brake fluid condition helps prevent performance issues, especially in repeated event driving.
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yeah the melody is ain't cheap yeah do it all right so obviously elephant in the
room 911 GT3 SC right Porsche just released a new vehicle there was
speculation for a while prior like leading up to it I feel like maybe
somebody insider kind of knew and because they were spot-on for like what it
was gonna be a lot of times Porsche is pretty good with this stuff where they
keep this stuff pretty close to their chest so I got to think an inside source
kind of knew like they knew it was a cab they knew was gonna be GT3 like they
knew like a lot of stuff about it already before it was officially launched
do you think there was some strategy in that like where Porsche did that on
purpose or do you think actually people maybe did leak without their without
their consent I think they might have looked it on purpose just get a feels
out there since it's such a different take if me it's not a speedster still
know I mean it's not like we haven't had no roof before yeah it's just a
different way so I think they might have had a little hand in it just to get a
feel mm-hmm but I mean there's no way they can control it we've seen it time
and time again when spy shots happen and but I don't I feel like every time I
saw this it wasn't as muled up as I've seen it cars in the past yeah I will say
that you know like motor ones really good at capturing a lot of spy shots of a
lot of Porsche cars I think they're based out of that area anyway so that
kind of makes sense but I don't I don't remember a lot about this car but it's
pretty easy to not I guess like leak this car it while it's testing because you
can hide it like under a regular cab and according to pointing her that's
exactly what they did they they took a GT3 and put it in a cab shell and just
drove it around yeah like I think the only thing it would have like tipped it
off is the exhaust and that's what the shell is is a Carrera shell yeah so I
think it was probably really easy for them to hide that car in plain sight
where the RS's and all these other special ones kind of tip themselves off
because they have this monster wing they have all this stuff and then they try to
do their best to camouflage it and it's just not the same you know see all the
GTS is out here with center exhaust now yeah right so let's do a deep dive on
this because there is a lot to unpack here right first of all let's let's get
our opinions out of the way with your thoughts on it do you like it you don't
like it what tell us why you do or don't I don't know I think I would like it
from getting here the engine notes and that's about where it stops once I
watch I'm sure you watch all the videos and once once they're like well you
know I can kind of tell there's a body roll in here I can kind of feel like
that I'm like okay well to convertible but that was Chris Harris and he said
it's very slight yeah so I mean it shows him on track just sliding it so I can't
I can't imagine it having that much chassis flex yeah I mean and also it's
like it's got some ST parts it's got this it's got that mm-hmm although I think
it's it's cool that they did something different we're seeing that pricing is
where it's at yeah I think it's cool exercise it's not limited that's I was
gonna make that point I think that's probably the best thing they've ever
done so we'll see how the we'll see if this is the first one to have depreciation
yeah that's I don't know I think it'll still be limited because Andy did say in
that video where it's not limited they'll be limited by how many they can
produce from a manufacturing standpoint meaning like what they're capable of
producing so if there's a lot of there's like a lot of orders yeah well they're
probably gonna do just like they did with the 4RS they didn't really cap that
car but they were like we're only building X amount per year so that's what
they'll probably do this will probably carry a little bit like it'll probably
be more than one model year yeah so you know if they let's say they take 10,000
orders this year on this car they'll probably take another 10,000 next year
I mean what's not like it but it's a GT3 yeah some what's some ST parts on it like
the more I don't know how you feel about this and I was kind of thinking about this
other day after they released it like when you have a special car like an SD or
say any type of thing like that and then the next generation GT3 the dot-2 is
also has the same gearbox or also has the fender like do you feel that that
takes away from the specialty that car do you feel like that's just how we
should think about Porsche is always gonna make it you know percent better
because now they know that that that works yeah I don't my thought process
doesn't think I don't look at it like it it takes away from the car I look at it
like since it's actually a GT product and it came from their engineering
department and they're making it I feel like since they are the kind of the
owners of all of that stuff that's developed that's also something that
they can plug and play in any situation that they want so they are they have
proprietary ownership of it so I don't think that just is fair to them where
certain things that they develop belong to one car because for example you know
they built fender gills in the 991.2 RS that carried over to the 992 RS right I
mean they're a little different but they're still there my man like direct
like this SD player is the SD yeah I get that I get that but I think that they're
also a car developer so they're not gonna spend R&D and make something and
then and be like that's so bespoke that we're never gonna touch that again we
have so many SD fenders we need a yeah like there's only so much you can do
with the car to begin with and the fact that they stepped out of their comfort
zone and did something with that fender to begin with for the ST you better
believe that's not gonna just disappear you know like they're like no like we
can use this again like we are going to use this again do you think we see an
MR spec like a hard a hardcover for the convertible being carbon fiber I don't
think so I think that this I think this car is gonna live in the just like all
of the other GT products I saw a thing where they've released like nine new
PTS colors already for this car that doesn't even exist for other cars so I
think we're gonna see a lot of PTS's and these cars are gonna go and they're
gonna sell very well because it's a GT product and it's manual and the fact that
manual only yeah which I do like that they stepped out and didn't just say like
it's not an even an option for PDK and like it's this car is not made to put
down like track times like he said it's either so it's like I don't know it's
a little extra spicy I think in a driver's perspective and kind of feels
like this is something Andy wanted to build yeah well he admitted to it he was
like he he's openly admitted to being a big time convertible guy at the very
first car he ever owned from Porsche was a 993 cab so he's he's big on cabs which
makes sense I mean if you have the means it in nice weather if you have more
than one car and most of these people let's be real anybody who's probably
gonna buy this already has some other variant 9-11 probably hard top probably
GT car already the likelihood of somebody buying one of these and it being
their first and only ever GT car is going to be they're gonna be pretty rare if
they do fall into that category so most people that are probably gonna be place
in order for this car they are very familiar with GT products and I already
have one or had had one and if there is if this is gonna be their only GT car
they've probably already had other stuff it's it's probably gonna be pretty rare
that somebody's gonna come off the street and be like I'm here just for that
give me that but I'm not saying it's impossible I'm just saying it's rare I
I like the exercise in the car I'm you know Chris Harris made a thing and we're
both aging you and I both I was very similar to him for a very very long
time where I did not see any sense in having a convertible car like ever in
my life like for at least for aggressive driving spirited driving yeah that
changed a lot with I want to say with 991 cabs in general like you know
especially when they made a speed server like those things have been around so I
get those but I'm talking about just the regular cab when they changed the we've
talked about this before they change the shape they change the body line to wear
that the silhouette of the Porsche when that roof line is up it still looks like
it could be a coupe but it just has a canvas top yeah I think that changed at
least aesthetically for me because for the longest time Porsche cabs looked
awful with the roof up like a cobra yeah it's just a nap it was like almost like
an afterthought right like because they couldn't with the way the what the
position of the engine like we dug into this like why is this this way because
they had to play with the engine placement of that car to be able to get
that top down in there so it looked wonky before but they did you know with the
991 they did so much revamping of that car their engineers were smart enough to
say okay what let's solve this cab problem moving forward because it does
help it definitely does help so there's more room but I mean you know when you
totally revamp the chassis like it allows you to do things but anyways I see the
value in them the older I get having driven a few topless cars on full tilt
and listening to that exhaust sound reverberate through the the canyon walls
and the mountains and even if you're just cruising it it gives a different
sensation of speed because you have the wind even if you're not hauling ass the
California car was terrible wasn't it yeah yeah yeah it was a C for us and that
was a great car and I didn't feel chassis flex and I was ripping that thing
and granted we weren't going like nine tenths we were probably going like six
tenths but that's still fun and it was still fun to hear the car and imagine
it being a GT3 motor behind there I know and and I will say this if you've never
driven one before don't knock it because to be able to see a lot more even
though your eyes are on the road your peripheral vision it just gives a little
bit more of a vibe like even when you're ripping it doesn't make you feel like
less safe it just makes you feel immersed in the environment that's an
unlimited greenhouse yeah plus and it just you know that you know human beings
are supposed to be taking in a lot of oxygen so it's nice to be able to just
have that around and floating around it just feels nice too I I see the benefit
in this you know everybody's like well I should have made a speedster I've seen
so many people make comments on that and they're just tire kickers and look you
lose and like people just don't understand like they're like oh well how
hard is it it it's not that it's that hard it's just inconvenient you know there
been so many from the people that have owned these spiders and stuff they don't
like the top yeah no one has liked them since the beginning and even the newer
ones like they've they've made a way faster than they used to be it's it's
basically like four or five snaps you lift up the back and it goes down it's
still you can still probably get it done in in less than a couple minutes it's
not about that it's so challenging it's not like a mercy top where it's this
origami thing that you have to undo that takes literally an hour to do because
you don't know how to do it because you're afraid of it because it basically
looks like a a team who tent that you ordered and there's no instructions and
you're just and there's a bunch of poles and hooks and stuff and that canvass
flap and you're like how am I supposed to put this together and you're like good
luck guys I'm not putting it on yeah and that's what most people opt to do but
that you know that the spider tops and all that and the speedster tops they're
totally different they're actually more usable it's not about that it's just
more inconvenient like for everyday use and I totally understand that like if
this that's what Andy was trying to get across but we've been saying that for
the longest time where the newer convertibles even not GT specs like even
if you went and got like a nice GTS or something like that it's a robust car and
you can put the top up and down very quickly especially in some inclement
weather whatever if you want to daily drive it or semi-daily drive it if you
want to go grab a bite like I wouldn't feel comfortable just leaving the top
down in a spider even if you're just grabbing a quick bite you know just
because there's so many haters and the world is so corrosive nowadays like
somebody could easily just walk by and throw some shit in your car you know if
you can put the top up easily by a click of a button I think this is going to
find a home with a lot of folks because some people like well I don't like the
body lines I don't like this and it's like dude it's not for you anyways it's
for the people who want it like it like it's not like they're gonna have a hard
time finding buyers for these cars I mean that's true and we'll see how many we
see I'm curious to see these things in the wild and see the overtake you know
three RSS and just they're everywhere mm-hmm I was maybe think two things like
one like the E46 like double click the key fob and then the top goes down to me
mm-hmm sure that happens and secondly maybe they saved the speedster for the
two RS they could I mean but now at them but now they have a whole another line
outside the touring yeah and to be fair they haven't made a speedster every gen
you know there's been many gens where they've they've skipped over yeah so they
have that to their benefit I would say that's that's actually a benefit to
where they don't have to keep up some streak meaning like oh we made a speed
stir and every every model like they haven't so for them if they skip a gen
or two that's okay like I I think that's such a novelty car like where it's in
the speedsters in the same categories like an ST almost and and and like a
9-11 R where you're not gonna see them all the time on the production line
meaning like you you may go a few generations before something special
comes out again in that type of realm I like how they're not trying to make this
if it makes sense this is not like a plus special it's just an a special
meaning like okay we're openly admitting that it's not a limited run meaning
like you know whatever significant oh you know it's 2026 so we're gonna make
2026 of them you know like trying to be cute with their numbering or whatever
they're trying to do like I like the idea of just like we've talked about this
before like what would it look like if you wanted one and you can afford one and
you could just buy one like where they can do away with like ADM where they're
like let's just mark the price up and let people order them it may take you two
years to get one but you don't have to pay ADM because they're not they're not
limited essentially but I'm sure dealers will find a way to do ADM somehow on
them at least at least the first initial batch right because because everybody's
gonna want the new new I want it before everybody else comes out so then they'll
pay premium but once they start rolling out almost like a 4s or something where
people are like dude you got to beg these people to come buy these things now
and they're not cheap at all yeah they're not and I mean no to be fair no
Porsche is cheap not like in especially in the 9-11 world you know we're talking
based 9-11 starting at like what would you say 130 ish so I mean it's a GT car
so it's a special car so you can just tack money onto that so like if you have
a base car that's run of the mill with no no juicy stuff on it so like yeah of
course this is gonna be in the 250 range right like easily I find it unique
though since this is specifically a road car I look at PDK a little different
than Porsche looks at it and I don't know if you look at it this way too like I
do see it because you know they try to engineer it for like okay the 3RS comes
with it because it's lightning fast and that's made for track and it's made for
spirited driving and I get all that but also the PDK is such a good transmission
that it's a good everyday transmission so if this car is supposed to be meant to
use as you know occasional driving and never he actually said it's not that
you can't take it to the track but we don't expect most people to take this
car to the track which is fine but what about the folks who do sit in a lot of
traffic but do live in a good weather place like prime example will be like
Southern California you like what if you wanted to commute with this car now
you're clutching every day you know on I 10 on the 810 or whatever or if you
live in Miami you're sitting there you know down in Brickle jammed in two and
a half hour traffic like it would be nice to have a PDK that's when that's
when next year's model comes out yeah the manual PDK thing is between the two
yeah I think if you're I think if you're but it's not like it's a it's gonna be a
arduous yeah I for those cars I mean they're not it's not 997 clutch yeah so
I mean there's that that's true they have all of them all the modern
conveniences that you would normally have yeah I would just think that like maybe
if if it comes like standard like they're all about money like why not
engineer that chassis work and accept a PDK and like I'm sure there'll be plenty
of people who want a PDK and then upcharge them right that's for the
convertible RS yeah if they do that's a statement right yeah I mean they've
already oh that's yeah but I mean you can get a PDK touring like that in the
night they started offering that but but they were trying to get that weight
number or whatever that goal was mm-hmm that's the problem yeah which I think at
the end of the day what they'll do is it'll be like it'll be reverse 991 where
they did PDK and then they would release the manual mm-hmm they're like oh we get
all these cool numbers here's in the years and then they'll go well now I'll
have a PDK for next year I bet maybe yeah like that'll be the different part and
like the second year of this it's like oh we're gonna offer we're gonna offer it
but it is an upcharge if you want it because I see I can see a lot of like
since I'm hunting a PDK to daily it honestly makes sense and
inconvertible to me yeah like I'm not saying it has to be standard yeah that's
cool if you want to make your stamp where it we're we needed to be manual
because we're running out of manual cars okay I'm all for that I'm not against
that but I'm saying upcharge somebody 10 grand if they want to put PDK in the
car just in my mind cab PDK together yeah and for the people that want to buy
it and run in the mountains I totally get that too but I'm saying there's
probably gonna be a lot of people that have this car that would be like oh my
god I can actually daily a GT like three essentially and it'll be a cab man a
PDK would be perfect for this car it's the first time we see PDK's mom's no
definitely not but yeah that would be funny yeah I think it's a cool idea
what do you how do you feel about the GT3 SC name do you feel that never done
that yeah I think that's so weird right I mean if they're gonna do an SC they
should have brought that back to the career like we're kind of like our base
career dog where it should be like steelies and stuff that's where an SC
should live or something something similar like that should be in a
Carrera not a GT product I don't understand unless they unless I was
supposed to stand like Southern California this convertible yeah but
you already have yeah I don't I see what you're saying and I totally agree with
you because the SC nomenclature you know obviously starts on the 356 because
they made 356 SCs but then even in the 9-11 like 78 through before they made
the Carrera I want to say like 82 or 81 they made a 9-11 SC okay I get that but
that wasn't like a special car that's that's the 9-11 was just called that it
was just the 9-11 SC yeah it's true they're not reaching back for any yeah
they didn't have like some performance model they didn't why just not be the
yeah why couldn't it just be GT3C why'd it have to be SC like did that look too
weird like when they tried it or why couldn't it just be a GT3 and everybody
knows it's gonna be a cab because the damn roofs either gonna be if it's up
it's canvas or if it's down it's off so I mean it's did you get a cab I mean it's
almost kind of like you know what is that painted body color it's probably a
yeah I don't know I do feel like they they clearly struggle with the naming of it because
that is kind of weird that they went with that like they probably played with a lot it would I
would be loved to have been on a fly on the wall for them when they were trying to name this thing
I feel like they were trying to make a heritage move but they didn't pull the trigger yeah
or they're like we're out of designations what can we call it what do we have left
pretty much I mean you think about it they're they're in that situation where we used R we've
used ST we've got you know like we don't ever like yeah we can't use speedster because this
isn't a speedster like it's just a cab like we're already calling like our other things like it could
have just been GT turbo GTs yeah I could have just been a GT3 cab I think I think most people are
going to say that anyways so they should have just went with that you know they've always had kind of
like wonky naming things with like like you just brought it up it's like you know Taycan turbo
less it's like come on dude like I get what you're trying to say and like when you have to explain
your name like when they got so much guff for that remember they're like well turbo's the the top of
the line and that's why we're calling it a turbo it's not we know it doesn't have a turbo and I'm
like okay you know that because you're making the car you just think that everybody in the world knows
Porsche that well they're I mean yeah guy off the street or girl off the street doesn't yeah because
but they're they know enough to be dangerous like even people who go to car events who are
into cars but they're just not into Porsches like for example let's just say you're in their American
style cars and you see turbo you're gonna be like I know what a turbo is you're like oh that car that
sedan has a turbo in it no it does not we're just calling it that because that's the nomenclature
for the model line so like it isn't it is clear as mud it's not you know it's not one of those things
it's just common knowledge it isn't um it's a turbo fan so it cools the electric motors
well you think about it they they busted their ass so long and what the early 70s when they came
out with the 930 turbo to kind of put turbo on the map right so everybody they did a good job with
that because everybody understood what turbo technology was and then everybody started copying
them so that is commonplace so then you totally screwed everybody's brains out and you name these
electric cars turbo names and all this other stuff and you're like wait a minute it doesn't have a
turbo in it you're like no it doesn't even have an engine in it that's funny yeah you brought it up
it kind of it makes sense it's very logical and very german like well this is a turbo so this will
be called turbo all right that makes sense yeah so what do you what do you think about it like the
the looks of it looks fine looks just like a gd3 and yeah it looks like a super aggressive cab
what they what they convert it up yeah i mean it looks good they're and i think even going back
to 991 just even a 991 base cab with like sports exhaust because the sports exhaust is center like
i just think for me it's it's basic it doesn't have to be like i like obviously has a gg3 hood
it has the slats and stuff on the hood it has st flares um i get that but i mean the body lines
like meaning like the signature silhouette like if you were to take a picture of its shadow
it looks like a 9-11 but the 991 cabs look like 9-11 so i think that works because they got like
we talked about that earlier they figured that part out um it makes sense in the sense that you
could put the top up quickly and down quickly um still looks better with it down yeah like all
convertibles and it gives people better access i i i agree with andy not just because he's andy but
i've seen it in practicality like it makes sense um to be able to put the top up and down quickly
it gives people more usability of the car instead of giving them a roadblock because i feel like
that's what those spiders do um and speedsters do they're that the top is a little convoluted and
there's a roadblock there where you have to think about the day you're like am i going to run into
rain today oh i'm only going to drive for a couple hours and there's no call for rain here okay cool
i'll drive it so then i'll put the top down and i'll go drive it for a few hours am i going to
leave it some oh am i going to eat while i'm out and then i got to put it back up and then put it
back down um some people don't like that where they're in a parking lot like after they eat and
then they got to undo the top or whatever because then it brings attention right and then you have
looky lose like oh that thing costs five hundred thousand dollars and doesn't have an automatic
top on it you got to get out the car and put the top down man you really got jipped on that thing
you know like that kind of shit you know gets old real fast it's like the same
shit that you're like out there washing your car and your neighbor says you got mine next there chimp
you're like yeah come over here so i can throat punch you you know like that kind of shit where
you're just like dude save the comments the peanut calorie comments nobody needs them um
and there's probably a little bit of that you know and people that have less time on their
hands than others they probably don't want to fiddle with that and then there's some people that
that are just not good at doing crap like that even if they've done it a bunch of times where
they're just like i hate this top like i suck at doing this i've done it a million times and
i'm still not any good at it and then there's other people they're like dude it's not that
complicated i can do done in less than a minute you're like good for you but not for me you know
like so you're watching their youtube video and like i don't know yeah yeah so so in school that
they did are they're doing pts colors for this car they obviously care about it more than just like
hey it's out yeah of course i mean you gotta add spice to it right like they they're playing
towards the heartstrings of that gt class of folks that have to have gt cars that play the dealership
game where they want the next allocation and they want to keep buying cars and then turning cars
into the dealer so they can get the next car and they play that that car swap game um yeah why not if
you can afford it you can wait um which i'm sure most people are going to wait for we're probably
going to see a lot of pts cars i'd be shocked to see people just order you know jet black on black
top and like black wheels because that's not that's not gt enough that would be flashing enough now
yeah now there might be a couple like g's that do that where they're like dude i don't care if people
look at me or not like i just want to i want one and i just want to float under the radar and enjoy
it for what it is i mean there are a couple cool people out there that will do that but most people
go i gotta have the you know the ice cream metallic with the gold flake in it and the magnesium wheels
to match and all this other and to each their own i'm not trying to talk trash but i'm just
i think it gets the whole purpose of the car gets like lost in that and they're like all right well
if i'm gonna drive it in the mountains i gotta get the 30 millimeter thick ppf all over it so i don't
you know chip it up and then the car then you end up washing the damn thing out anyways because
you can't see the you know the ppf so damn dense you're like what color is that under there it's
like whatever man well then like this one this is gonna be the most 9 11 9 11 because no one's
gonna be able to tell the difference between this and a regular cab i feel like for the i think
there's a lot of distinctive features for this car for the average person yeah but this car
will never be at average stuff yeah so in a good way i mean like a touring flow is under the under
same thing you know like i would say touring is probably the most understated GT car that they
make right so like if you got a color in a touring like a normal color that car can float under the
radar for most people and not know um and those that do know i think that was always been the
identity of that car on purpose to fly under the radar um i don't know if that's the identity of this
car but there's a way obviously with pts you can make it not fly under the radar um but it's gonna
have the decals that have the flares even if you're not a Porsche fanatic if you're just
into cars at all you're gonna know this isn't like a normal cab i mean you'll see the hood
you'll see the fenders even the tail is a little different on it than regular standard cars um
sick body cam bro yeah right what is that uh alibaba carbon fiber on there you're like yeah man
but yeah i think it's um do you think you know this is a whole this is opinion based because
we don't have anything do you think this is a distraction car meaning like the kind like a
placeholder where hey two rs isn't ready yet like we don't know you know because there's no
date release on that you know over here yeah kind like i kind of feel like it might be something
like that not that like this car is not important but it's it gives people something to chase and
it also gives them i mean if you think about it they needed to release a car but because think
about the last thing that they released right what was it the mcconnie v well now i you know
that's a good point too and now is this in the rotation of like you know we have an rs we have
a gt3 product does this get released with a touring now or is this now this and in between of the
coops now let's say now we have a coop we get a convertible them an rs and now they have more
time to it also gives people yeah it also gives people another it gives them another tool on the
belt to sell more gt products right and that's ultimately the goal they always sell those out
and they know that um do you think they make a convertible uh came in now or i mean did they
make a boxer that the normal top so the rs is like so the spiders yeah i see what you're saying um
probably not um because that body line still looks wonky like if you look at a four liter
boxer as opposed to a spider um the spider obviously looks a lot better yeah just because
it has got those like humps and you can tell there's something different even if you don't
know shit about cars when you look at a spider as opposed to looking at it like a regular boxer
um i don't know if they'll ever be able to get that roof line together on that um
because it's a boxer all right all right job i mean we've talked about this before it's like
it's mid-engine so like where are you putting that top where it can be a smooth body line as
opposed to just being like literally like you said like a cobra or a hook yeah because that's
what that looks like you can just draw like a line it's like oh this is captain hooks car like
but they've done their best with it you know it's definitely more slanted than it used to be
um i don't really see how they since this is their flagship i don't see them wasting any
time trying to do that because first of all since you know they're coming back out with
Boxter and Cayman they're not even production cars right now yeah i would think that's low
priority for them i think they figure that you are also be here by now that the turbo s already has
the hybrid stuff in it yeah and maybe that maybe there's something up with that you know for them
maybe they wanted to change the design language it since it's a gt department product um that car
supposed to be fast and have arrow maybe they're maybe they're playing with the arrow a little
different because as we all know like three rs at top speed their top speed is severely diminished
compared to their gt three brother in because of so much arrow on that car so as we know the whole
goal especially of that gt department is to obviously make it the fastest it can be right
so if you if you just take gt three rs arrow and put a gt two rs motor in it it's not going to put
down great ring times it's not well i mean it's got more power so it has to be at least a little it's
going to be a little bit better but it needs to still be somewhat there's got to be a balance right
so like it has to be able to slip through the air enough to gain some higher mile per hour
to be able to put down a monster lap time it's not just being able to handle like you can build a car
it has an immense arrow but if it can't get past 180 miles an hour like you're going to lose some
some seconds on your lap time i mean that's just how it's going to be
so they're probably they're probably fiddling with that a lot there's probably a lot going on on the
engineering side to try to balance what arrow they need to use what arrow can they take away
with the balance of power it's probably pretty tricky because they created basically a parachute
and it's like how do we take some of the parachute away without compromising the
arrow that we need for the car well i should have some some whiteboard lessons from the
two rs club sport and the raising i'm sure they do but i mean that car is the 992 then well the
992 and that chassis are they're different so there is you know and they're probably have
changed that i'd be willing to bet they've changed design on it several times now when they thought
it was ready and they're like oh i don't know um and if we haven't gathered anything from any of
these gt launches if we haven't learned anything from andy is if it's not right it's not coming out
it doesn't matter like he's not one to be pushed on deadlines or like you were saying oh we should
have seen something by now like he's not gonna he's not sitting in there running that department like
clapping his hands like come on guys like this car should have we should have already released
this car like what's going on he seems more like a boss of like well the timeline will work itself
out let's get the car perfect and if the car's not perfect we don't release the car it's that simple
so i think that's where they're at with that but if i had had to guess
and that's why i said maybe is that this is like a placeholder
um because he openly admitted that they didn't have to do much to make this car because he says
normally like to to bring a car from nothing to to out is on the fast side 21 months i think he said
this car they were able to do i think in 12 months so they saved themselves nine months being able
to basically button up a gt3 to you know a pretty stout chassis already um so from the
sense of being able to pivot and be agile that's a benefit that they were able to do that with
this car and i think this is going to fill it's going to buy them time because no one i'm sure
there's nobody going to be like well where's this car out now where's this you know like everybody's
flooding to their dealerships to try to get allocations for this particular car um that
want it and i think a lot of people are going to want it um with them branching out do we
do we think the gt2 is a possibility before the drs i mean it seems like they are just
there's so many different lines of i don't think i think that car is probably permanently dead if i
if i'm being honest um and the reason why i say that is because
it made sense like i guess maybe in the 997 gen um because it was kind of like a step maybe a step
you know there was a big step between a two a gt2 and a two rs meaning price point wise um
and i think maybe that was the purpose back then because you got to remember still we're
talking 997 gen so we're talking like 2009 2010 where Porsche wasn't printing money they were
when they brought out the 991.2 gt3 r a gt2 rs right like it had a heavy price tag i think they've
i think they've arrived at a place where they can put a car out at a number where it doesn't matter
it'll sell out long as it's well engineered and it comes from the gt department so i don't think
that they want to waste time doing a two rs because in your opinion like what would a two rs
look like i mean what would a gt2 and a two rs like what would how could you differentiate
two of them at this point three in the three rs one has just crazy race car aero and the other
one's a little bit more softer but then why not just get a turbo but then it wouldn't be able to
drive i mean so it's the same recipe that's always been yeah i guess i mean i i think for them
like since the the two rs has always kind of been their pinnacle car like
like from a from a gt perspective i know the turbo s is their internal halo car
but the gt2 rs has always been like their fastest production car
um and i think there's part of it too where they don't want to develop that car because a lot of
it now is tuning yeah you might not get the aero you might not get all that but say you bought a gt2
you just flash that thing and it will output just as much power down as probably the two rs
so that they would have to almost like detune it in a way um and i just don't think that they
they want to waste any time with that exercise i mean especially if they go to the point where
we've speculated where the next three rs might have a turbo in it anyways yeah that's true maybe
they're waiting that out maybe the maybe the two rs doesn't even happen at all yeah they finally
start replicating those roster pin ski nine six three street cars for the halo car because yeah
because they they probably have figured out that they know they're on that timeline so that makes
more sense now that i think about it if they're gonna turbo charge a three rs then why why even
make a two rs like why not just make the three rs turbo charged and then that's it and then that now
takes the place of the two rs and it's just a beast and it's turboed yeah i mean or they're
lying to us and it's a two rs anyways yeah i guess i mean it doesn't really matter because it's it's
so it would make more sense for them for everything in the line to have turbos from a production
standpoint i'm i'm sure at some point they're not going to be able to avoid it i'm sure they're
hanging on as long as they can i mean all the na motors made sense too because they had one point
we're all in a i think they make a very good valid point where i mean if you think about it like a
992 um gt3 like the dot one it's an na car it has such good launch control like it's zero to 60 is
super fast i think it runs a quarter mile in like 11 flat so and it only has 500 horsepower like
usually need a lot more power in a car to be able to run that time and the fact that they have the
code cracked where they're kind of like the car is a little bit lighter and like let's be real
they're not like feather weights i mean they're still bigger cars but it's still it's sophisticated
like it's able to put down all the power there's like zero wheel spin on launch control um and it
puts down it's not made to drag race but it can put down a fast time that i mean 11 running a
like 11 flat that's not slow i mean you probably do a little bit to that car you could probably if
you ran slicks and you really chase something you probably could crack into the tens on a a flat six
you know 911 engine you know that's not that's not a slouch um so i don't know for them if they can
keep i know they're they're bread and butter and i know andy's still in love with the na motor and
i think we all are i think they're going to make that as long as they possibly can but i do feel
like the maturation on a three rs on this last one run is it's at its peak like they from an
engine standpoint we've just seen in racing for so long too i mean you and i can see them when
soon as night hits that's when we start worrying about any liquid turbos yeah and i don't know if
that even ever makes it over to their racing cars to be honest with you like but if because they don't
because they don't do it the opposite way right like if they were going to make that move you
and i and everybody else who follows racing we would have already seen them on track because
that's where they do their bread and butter so which technically they're doing that they're doing
the twin turbo hybrid game with with a 963 just not the yeah which is what Porsche is technically
behind not that customer racing side so maybe we would have if if Porsche was running ours ours
yeah so but maybe they come back with that yeah it's just weird because i think if they were
going to put it in their 911's from a race perspective and and then it's going to make
its way into the GT cars like it would follow that r&d where they can get it on the track
where they're like all right here's the flashpoint on this turbo like we cook them at every race so
we got to do a better job with the turbo because we can't put this in the street car because this
will kill us on warranties yeah i mean all they've been doing lately is just arrow arrow arrow
arrow this trying to make that 515 horsepower 520 like how do we get the car lighter right how do
we put more air in it how do we just so it's clearly probably at its peak that engine and it
has been for a little bit you know they tweak a little bit more here they tweak a little bit more
there i don't want to see it die but i just don't see moving forward where they can end up without
boosting that car like they're not going to go up in displacement they can't i mean they would
honestly simplify their their GT department as far as the the night 11 goes once they do it
because they won't have the different lineages and they can just make one one car i mean that's a
it's a big you know flat four i mean that's a four liter flat four if you think about piston sizes
are big pistons so maybe they go down in displacement and add two turbos right who knows
maybe they run like a a 34 or 35 or 36 and they twin turbo it well now they don't have to go down
i was watching something recently that kind of has something to do with this they don't have to go
down in displacement anymore for compression yeah so now they're able to go up full like
high compression and because the computer technology actually works yeah but i was just saying from a
room standpoint because they gotta they gotta find room in that engine bay right so you if you make
the engine smaller now you got more room but for big snails yeah so who knows i think that's coming
and who knows you know what might end up happening if they're pulling and i'm sure they are looking
into it and they're worried about it it might not be a 3rs that 3rs may not come out again
everybody everybody just thinks that okay we're o to 3rs i mean if you think about it we didn't
first see a 3rs to the 996 gen and that was the first introduction of a gt3rs obviously the gt3
program just started then too to be fair um however with that being said you know there isn't
that many rrs out there if you think about it like well you got 996 997 .1 and .2 right and then
you got 991 .1 and .2 and then you have 992 it's not that many it's not like this is their lineage
like this has been happening since like the 80s so like if that a 3rs doesn't happen anymore
then it just turns into a 2rs that basically is a 3rs what it's turbocharged that's entirely
possible too it's five rrs two three plus two because there's two 3rs six rrs just pump up the
number yeah um so they could also they also could play that move right where they're you know we
haven't seen a 2rs in the 992 gen yet and maybe they're just like all right cool well the next
one's gonna those two are just gonna merge and it's gonna be a 2rs and the 3rs is gonna go away
and maybe that could be their send off even without them telling the public not that they have to
they never they're not required to say that to anybody no they're just like hey uh we're gonna
release a car and here's this gt3rs yeah the explanation may come after the 2rs comes out right
and andy may do this product launch like he always does and then chris harris will be there and ask the
thing like oh so what about the 3rs and he's like well you know we played with the name and
we figured since the 3rs was always on a that that that was just gonna die we weren't gonna try to
carry the 3rs name anymore with a turbocharged engine because that didn't seem right so now
we're just this car will live on as a 2rs only moving forward because the 2rs has always been
boosted i could see them doing that because that actually makes way more sense um especially in the
german brain where they can be like well the 2rs has always had a turbo we don't have to read we don't
have to come up with a new name yeah so just call it the 2rs and just basically use the 4 liter flat
6 it's in the 3rs use all the aero and it's just going to be a 2rs from now on and then after the
2rs is out the 2 comes back because they have a 2rs yeah and you could have the low exactly and then
gt3 goes away too i could see that happening all right i think we solved it x files right here
but we may see another gen of three like long as they can make them i think they'll make them
so they make they may coexist for a little bit um until that the gt3 na motors have to completely
go away and when that does maybe the gt products like you just said live on with the gt2 and gt2 rs
that and that and that's what it's going to become and then gt3's just won't be around like in production
anymore and then it's almost like whatever's out there's out there now and all those three rs's price
dies go up oh significantly right it's like oh they don't even make these anymore almost kind of like
the air cooled it'll get that i mean they already gt3's already have that little definitely stigma
why about because we're having a why are from you know air to water and then that'll be watered
hybrid yeah it's already happening so yeah it'll be interesting then hybrid to electric
so another weird thing i would say this falls into the weird you know because of the gt3 um
cab situation so this is on the same lines of weird Porsche stuff so Porsche filed a patent for
racing stripes that can disappear um or be electrified and can like light up almost kind of like
street glow i think or something like that i've seen i've seen um i don't know i don't think it was
Porsche but i've definitely seen this paint before well BMW did it on a on a prototype they did it
like on a prototype um where it would change colors because they have this i don't know if anybody
else knows they had this um for temp for window film now too for like offices i don't think they've
used any cars yet but it just it just electricity and then give us remote pay act uh so this kind of
like wonky like what would be like i don't see that many racing stripes on Porsches to begin with
and i feel like people that put them on there like i'm sorry i'm just going to go out on a limb here
why like why are you doing that like your gt3 doesn't need to be you don't need to put a
stripe on it or stripes plural i mean the one stripe or whatever that motors were single stripe
i don't like it but yeah i'm not into it either i think it looks weird it's better than the only
car it's allowed to wear the stripes is the 911 r because that came from the factory with the
with the stripes i know i sound like a Porsche dork saying that but like okay that was like how it
was launched that secretly mean the 911 r is coming back with with electric stripes electric
because it's going to be hybrid yeah but what does that look like almost kind of like
as we all know like we have all been to plenty of people's houses or you might have it in your
own house where you have like led lighting on a light strip that's like in where you keep your
cups and glasses and that lights that up how about one one or two of those fail on your stripe
that's going to look like ass when you want to activate it right or like portions of it don't
activate yeah okay yeah i don't think it'll be like the little the bulb things but i see the
whole stripe didn't illuminate or yeah like or a section of it didn't like or shorts for some reason
yeah and now you got to get it replaced and now it's like r&d for that's gotta be terrible whoever
has like hey guess what you're in charge of the stripes yeah no it's interesting yeah i find it
to be strange um but they file patents for a lot of strange things that never come to market so
throw people off the trail or i mean maybe they're maybe they see some type i mean they're trying
things i mean they have the money illuminated um or you could change the color of your emblems now
because if it was thin enough film you can make that you can like the printed stickers yeah
for decals i just think like this is like seems like gimmicky stuff this is like something like
Nissan would do yeah like i just don't see any purpose in that like i don't somebody thought
i don't think anybody who's going to be buying a car will see value in that to go like that's a
really cool option yes i want to have illuminated stripes on my car did they say like specific
model they just said we're doing stripes yeah the pat the patent is just for it says disappearing
and electrifying stripes so that could be side script too like it could be a yeah like hologram
well we've we've seen it in racing where their numbers are that way right where it's like electric
but it's flat like if you've ever been close to any of the the prior rsr cars or even like
the current prototype cars where their number lives on that car it looks like it's just a
decal but at night it illuminates um that's probably what this technology really is anyways
it could be um but they already are doing it but maybe they just wanted to have ownership of
so maybe people had to pay them royalties to use it in racing i don't know maybe um
or it could be for you know cup car stuff like when they write maybe they're gonna
decide because if you know if you look all the cup car stuff runs during the day they never run at
night um maybe they're gonna start running yeah maybe they're gonna start running them at night
and they need to they need their numbers to eliminate but you know they have their numbers
in their quarter window that's a digital thing i think they're made to do that yeah so i don't know
like who knows they will only know the purpose of this like whether it's important or not
just another thing in the book that patent list has to be ridiculous oh i mean the lawyers have
to be going nuts they gotta give them something to do right i guess so like basically all they do
is send out c-synthesis letters and do stuff like this i just got here what do i do you have two
things yeah depends on what department you might be in the patent department or you might be in the
c-synthesis department you're in the stop it now or you're in the hey what about this yeah
so quick shout out to everybody it's maybe going to ruckus or not going to ruckus if you haven't
already seen charles's sent out messages get your cars ready you got about two weeks um just
want to say hey don't show up with corded tires or it's never a good look for you speaking of that
you're still up uh up near that way yeah it was going to go up there anyways to be stored for the
for the and i was going to fly back okay um so it was going anyways it wasn't just i was just going
to hang out um so there was purpose in that drive and then yeah so my fuel pump took a dump at buckies
so that's twice off of 75 south like with two different cars that i feel pump issues um is it
it loves 993 like fuel pumps right the irony of this is though um so i drove in to get fuel
up at buckies and it wasn't like i was going specifically there i was at a quarter tank and
that was where i was at so um i went in there car didn't hesitate wasn't bucking it wasn't acting
strange at all went right to the pump like and it was very busy so i had to kind of like
shark around a little bit to find a spot um and the car was still taking fuel i was obviously
clutching in first gear looking around no hesitations in the car park get fuel go inside
get to the restroom come back out not crank cranking over oh my god okay what's going on
yep just sitting i was like okay cool maybe obviously i never been through this game before
where i'm like okay maybe the fuel pump just needs to cool off because it is failing um
it's been yeah you've been going on for a few hours if you're up that way yeah so i'm like okay
so now i'm still need a in my mind okay the fuel pump needs to be addressed but maybe i
can limp it the rest of the way because i was only 120 miles away from uh greg delay owned shop is
where it was going and i was like all right i'm gonna let it cool off for like 45 minutes and see
if it'll crank did that no cranking like okay maybe i'll try to bump start it so then i asked a couple
people that were at the pumps that would seem like nice guys i was just standing around the car
and i kind of like was fishing yeah essentially and they're like hey nice car and i was like hey
thanks man i was like it actually won't turn over i think i'm having fuel issues and they're like hey
that sucks i was like hey do you have like five minutes and they're like what's up so like once
you get one or two guys to help you they see and then there's another guy it's like hey do you need
some help and it's like yeah so we tried to bump start it long story short we tried it three times
it would not it wasn't getting fueled like it would almost like the engine almost kind of started
to go but then it wouldn't turn because it wasn't getting fuel so at that point after three attempts
of that i'm like it's definitely a fuel pump um like you could hear that i mean i'm sure in your
car you should be able to hear that thing yeah and it wasn't hearing it yeah so then i called
triple a long luckily i have like premier and it's long distance tow so then we end up towing it all
the way you know the rest of the 120 miles and i end up riding shotgun on the tow truck to the
yeah to the to the shop hey man what's going on yeah so it's there it's under the knife getting
everything it needed to get done i mean it was getting fluids in anything while it was there
that was the whole purpose because it was just change your fuel filter while you're at it yeah
all of that dude yeah now that's happening yeah every line looked at yeah so fuel pump
we're just going to change the dme relay we're going to change you know the fuel filter just
so like it doesn't die on the mountain that's like the worst place you're going to be for that to
happen and then is there i mean is there an upgrade to your fuel pump please i mean doesn't
i don't know if it matters in those cars or not or i don't need an upgraded fuel pump like just a
factory bosh i don't think it does i think it's running the factory fuel pump in it like it doesn't
need you know it's just why you got three fuel pumps yeah i don't know i mean it's just a 38
like with a little bit higher compression so it's not like some top fuel dragster where you
got to run like a you know a thousand pound wall burrow like fuel pump to like where it's and i have
you know 1100 pound injectors in it like it's it's not like that um that vb racing fuel burning
through it yeah right um so yeah that's up there and it was up there to anyways like i said to
basically get all the fluids done anyways like trans did you know diff fluid oil break fluid
you done that stuff uh since you had it or is um only oil's been done since i've had it um
so i haven't done any of those other fluids so it's time like just so i can do a reset
mentally um with all that i'm sure that stuff's fine but i don't want to just bank on it and
you know now one other thing to do while it's there well three other things but i mean the
fuel pump and the fuel filter like kind of go hand in hand dme relay is easy you know that's
just take out the old relay put a new relay in another one in the box or what's that then have
another one sitting by somewhere yeah the irony of this crap i have a dme relay um that i didn't
bring with me uh however i asked greg this and i don't know it may be i said it's a rest of the
world car so i don't know if like a standard dme relay works in that car or not so i told him that
here's a one dim plug or a 220 exactly you know like the prongs don't match up but
so that's there um yeah luckily i guess i mean i have broken down in worst places so i was on the
side of the interstate on the nine six four yeah this one at least was in a nice gas station
the ego said in the gas station having drinks in the bathroom i didn't do that but yeah i could have
but i was i'm just out there like pacing um but luckily i had pretty quick response i mean for me
requesting a tow from the time that they showed up was maybe 30 minutes
and then we loaded it up took another 30 and then we were on we were on our way so
it was a significant delay because of all that like you know but at least it wasn't like i still
got into greg's shop before 5 p.m. yeah like i was shooting to like i was on pace if i didn't
have that issue i would have been there around 12 30 so it was about a four and a half hour delay
but that was because traffic built we had to go through atlanta so hey but you didn't have to drive
that's that was a benefit like so i was like yep dude this sucks like because it was literally
gridlock bumper to bumper there's no no good way to get in yeah please so yeah you know fun journeys
that's you know you've seen me go through it that's what happens when you have air cooled cars like
especially i would still say that this car is i'm sorting this car in a way still i mean even though
the car is built it's sorted but it's still like to get up to where i'm using it the way i want to
use it there's going to be some niggles that i'm going to have to work out of it and this is
clearly one of them but knock on wood you know once you do that stuff like you don't have to worry
about that crap anymore so like yes it means new parts yeah um you know the brakes already got
replaced um rotors and pads when we did suspension when it first came in like cori did all that stuff
and it would be at cori's getting worked on but you know the unfortunate circumstances that
happened to him and george at their shop so like that's why it's up at greg's and i'm thankful for
greg taking me in because they're not at energy drink central no okay and you know there's only
a handful of shops i trust but anyways the the car's going to be stored up there too so it makes
nothing but i was like oh i was wondering what if he's going up there and then i'd said yeah that car
is going to basically it's permanently going to live in georgia now like it was going to anyways
before this fuel pump issue and greg was going to be it's it's future caretaker for as far as like
maintenance goes because when it comes back obviously he has to you know do the shake downs on it and
all that stuff so no better way for basically him to get his hands dirty than have to get into that
car right now so um yeah so that's what's going on with that um again very very thankful could have
been way worse but luckily that i was in a safe location like i could have been in one of those
like dicey shells or something with two gas bombs and yeah or i mean you've been late at night well
even further away from that like say the car made it to atlanta and then i was in gridlock and then
it failed and then and then i'm whatever lane i'm in like there's not a really good shoulder
in any part of atlanta like that so then i'm limping the car into some lane
and then calling for a tow truck to come get me oh my god you want to talk about a nightmare that
would have been that would have been the nightmare had that happened there um it was some pretty good
luck so yeah i mean i'm i'm not it obviously any failure sucks but i'm thankful that it was in a
safe location like where i was able to not be in danger like because that could have easily been
sideways somewhere else like not necessarily i would have been i wouldn't have been ripping that car
because that's not what i was planning on doing but i could have easily been in a dicey or traffic
situation um or what i made it up there and survived but then you got drunk and all of a sudden
yep that was number two right so i thought about that after i had time to like decompress and i'm
like oh what if it didn't fail till we were on our way up there and then we got into some
back roads in virginia mid-cornered yeah and just now i'm scrambling like you know i would
probably be okay but i'm just saying like now now what like how do we get a tow truck up here for
this car like when do you when do you lose it like could you stop with somebody around the back
under the back of you yeah would it's all those things yeah i mean it probably would have been
okay just from the sense like i would have i would i know what that feeling feels like when it just
cuts power like that um i think the more dangerous part about it would have been is that a lot of
those places like not every place has a good pull off and most of them actually don't so like if it
dies in a place where i i don't have a pull off and i'm in a blind turnout or something like what
do you do when then and and you're not getting a tow truck in 30 minutes you'll be lucky to get one
in several hours yeah so now you're in danger for several you were you're in danger you're
endangering other people's lives and the car and all that all that stuff that goes into it
i mean i'm in danger exactly well roger's danger um so yeah very very thankful for that
for car prep is that all the same like fluids brake pads yeah there's all that stuff it depends it
depends on or is it just your time the way i do it is just timing so i know if it's like is it yeah
in time is it two rallies is it right yeah it's definitely always oil for sure and some and sometimes
it's just oil sometimes it's oil and tires sometimes it's oil and brakes and tires um i didn't know if
that's not necessary but um because there's multiple rallies per year um for especially that car
being lightweight like after the diff fluid gets done the trans fluid gets done like that'll be fine
for a long long time um and doing multiple stuff or yeah oh yeah we're doing plugs too i forgot about
that um you know those are kind of like more time duration service items in my mind um obviously i'll
keep an eye on the brake fluid i have a you know a brake fluid meter that measures water yeah the dip
but usually those cars are pretty airtight you don't really have any like
you know cross pollination there with water or anything like that so those that's usually
pretty good and it's pretty rare that we get to a point where where the brakes are like
at a flash point that's more track stuff and those cars don't see they see more mountain than
track so there's a lot of there's a lot more cool time like on the brakes and stuff like that so it
it's rare that they ever get to a point where there's like you're mashing on them so hard that
there's a flash point there you say that this year and you like pull off to pull off like you're
they're on fire you're like well nine six four brakes were smoking the last time i was on cherah
hollow so i give it a cool down was like oh my god i've never seen i've never seen those brakes smoke
i mean literally smoke bellowing out of those brakes on the cherah hollow that car was fighting
for its life up there um but yeah so mainly oil and and it's mainly like a chassis check that's why
like rally two for you in that car yeah target was the first one um you know where they just
kind of chalk mark all the points you know like to see if any bolts or any like suspension or
like trailing arms move around nothing's in the same place yeah well have you seen that uh
instagram meme how to screw with a mechanic like where they mark the bolt and then you just mark
right next to each one of them like you erase what they have marked like on the on the frame and move
and they're like every single bolt moved and you're like no um but yeah greg's gonna do that too and
like look through the whole chassis and all that um he's he's who handed yourself last time what's
the other thing you know yourself last time when you had problems no he's never worked on
any of my cars um this will be the first time he's super thorough i didn't know i mean i knew and
i didn't know like i just knew he was a really really good shop owner like he's a one-man show
and he does like i mean to put it in perspective i didn't know this but he was uh he worked for
right racing all right so he was a crew chief on that team like when they won championships
so and he also worked with like lee keene when he won championships so and so he's good friends
with lee keene come on some of lee's cars were get serviced through greg um so like one of his
cars was in there one my car was in there so but again he's a one-man shop so i'm very very
thankful for him you know taking care of my stuff and he handles a lot of those atlanta guys that
come to the rallies like the air cool guys that go and do this exact same rallies i go to like
i want to say he probably takes care of 10 of those guys cars too so like now he's just gonna
in addition to them he's gonna be taking care of mine so um yeah it's a good shop it's you know a
lot like horry shop honestly um a lot of race background like that's where he cut a lot of
his teeth like he's been in he's been in the industry for 35 years so he knows his stuff um
yeah good guy uh so he's been working on sorting tod's 930 turbo for a long time
oh yeah i forgot tod even had that thing yeah i think he has two sometimes where he's like yeah
about that car i've never seen it i just remembered him like i don't know and then it got sorted
finally or then it's getting sorted yeah it had a lot of little like niggles about it like there
was a lot of little issues with that car um so luckily you know like we were talking before
like there's folks that have cars and it's just one of those situations where he can let it sit
till it's perfect like where it's kind of like just take your time work it all out so yeah
definitely why don't i have anything else for him do you have anything i guess everybody's
getting a verbal now yeah see convertible gt-3's go get one yep if you can yeah be good luck good
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