Rally Japan 2026: Evans wins as Solberg makes another mistake

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And with that, we are 50% through the 2026 World Rally Championship season.

Can you believe it?

I'm not sure I can.

Every single year seems to go by quicker than the last, but we are at seven

rounds into 2026.

Seven left.

Alvin Evans leads the championship after victory in rally Japan.

And here to discuss that particular event with me is a man who's never

anything less than 100% is Colin Clark.

Yes.

Hello, look, how are you?

I'm not bad, mate.

Not bad at all.

How are you?

Really good.

Thank you.

Really good.

Yeah, just making my way slowly home from Japan.

So yeah, you know, I'm in a pretty decent form, I'd have to say.

Good.

Well, I'm sure the listeners will be glad to hear that.

And I think my intro is appropriate.

I won't lie.

There was a point I used to script these and I literally did that off the top of

my dome.

That was good.

That was really good.

Considering it's quite early in the morning as well.

That was really quite impressive.

Thank you.

I'll take it.

And I realised that sounded like me fishing for a compliment.

That wasn't what I was trying to do.

Exactly what you were doing.

Dearing me.

But yeah, as I said, last weekend, obviously, rally Japan, the final,

actually, tarmac rally of the year as well, which is quite a bizarre thing

to think given it's only just ticked into June.

The rally ended in May, didn't it?

So that's quite a strange one.

But yeah, Alvin Evans, quite a clear victor, actually, Colin, in the end,

didn't lead after stage one, but he led after all the rest of them.

And you just it's not a surprise anymore, particularly in Japan, is it?

We've seen the form three wins at a four starts now.

But I think in terms of the championship and yes, the game changes

because he's going to have to start cleaning the road.

But this was a really emphatic performance when perhaps some of his

bigger rivals maybe didn't put the best foot forward again.

Well, I think that's very fair to say.

Yeah, Alvin was superb.

There's no other way of describing it.

But as you say, you know, his form in Japan, he was very much the form driver,

wasn't he? Two previous wins, second place.

He's now three wins and second place in the past four.

It's a rally he really enjoys.

It's a rally he's worked out.

He knows how to go well there.

He knows how to measure the risk.

And he did it beautifully.

He did it absolutely beautifully.

He built that lead.

You might argue he took a little bit of an advantage of road position

on the Friday morning.

When it was a little bit damp and a little bit slippery, it's fair to say,

particularly under the trees where we saw a lot of that green moss.

You know, he made the most of it.

He absolutely made the most of it.

And then he looked after his lead and he didn't do anything silly as we saw

from a number of other drivers.

It was a rally.

It was quite easy to get it wrong on.

But Alvin didn't, you know, Alvin didn't get it wrong.

And he put in a really, really impressive performance to take another win in Japan.

And set himself up nicely for the second half of the season.

As you say, you know, we had that massive run of gravel rallies in the middle

of last season, didn't we?

And they changed things around and it's almost the front loaded it to every day

this season. It's a bit bizarre, a bit bizarre.

There was no time back in the second half, but there we are.

You know, Alvin, I think, will now have the confidence to look to recognize

maybe where he's not done so well in previous years.

He's never lost it on the last rally of the season, Alvin Evans.

You might argue the statistics prove otherwise.

I would argue that he lost it in places like Sardinia last year,

where he just, it was awful in his battle with Sammy Payley on the Saturday.

I think Alvin has recognized that.

And I think we'll see a different Alvin Evans on gravel this year.

I don't think we'll see an Alvin Evans who is just flying

the ring in sixth and seventh and eighth place.

You know, the important thing is that he gets top four, top five

finish finishes and keeps the pressure on the opposition.

And he looks to me like a different driver this year.

Look, I don't know if you agree with that.

He looks to me as if he sucks a few things out this year.

I think last year was a big lesson, wasn't it?

And it was a brutal lesson in some respects because there was all this talk,

if you remember, and it feels ages ago now, but the end of 25,

there's some people saying, oh, it's not fair.

Oh, he's done this, but I think we see it this year.

And he's on a very similar programme, Sebastian,

but the difference in it, he's not performing badly this year at all.

He was just so good last year.

And he was quite unfortunate in some respects that he went up against that.

But that's the game.

And I think this year he's learned that he cannot.

There's this quote that kept going around at the start of the year

that basically there was maybe a point at the beginning of 25

where Alvin didn't fully look at OJ as a massive championship threat.

And how wrong did that prove?

So now he's like, no, every single rally doesn't matter who it is

in the championship fight or not, need to beat them, need the points,

everything else.

And he's got a lot of experience there of coming second, doesn't he?

Bless him. So I think, yeah, final six times.

Five, I think it's five. It's it's a lot.

And yeah, I'm thinking on the spot this decade.

I'm sure it's only 2022, the first year of rally one where he didn't finish second.

And so that would be the bill was the price made for many years, wasn't it?

He was the man that had the the the monitor of your price made for WRC.

He finished second, five or six times before.

Eventually he took the win and sussed it out.

So no, it's it's an interesting one with Alvin this year.

And you know, the OJ, the OJ situation

again is an interesting one.

I think had OJ taken a better result in Portugal, one Portugal,

we might have seen something different from OJ for the remainder of the season.

But, you know, that issue he had in Portugal,

and he was he was negaled in Japan OJ.

And I, OJ is an interesting character

because at the end of the stages, he quite often let the emotions get the better of them.

But by the time he's got back to service on the media zone,

he's calmed down, it's very monotonous about everything.

But he said some things in the heat of the moment, didn't he?

Last weekend in Japan, they kind of, you know, made you stop and think.

You know, particularly what he said at that final stop line,

you know, he wins and wins.

That's not like OJ to win.

I am Sebastian OJ's biggest fan.

I absolutely love him.

I love the fact that he's done it in different cars.

I love the fact he's got a bit of edginess about him.

I love the fact that when the FIA tried to stop him from winning in the Volkswagen days

by changing the rules, he went, you, I'm going to win anyway.

I love him, but I have to say some of the things he said in the heat of the moment.

And I will caveat it by saying that some of the things he said in the heat of the moment

in Japan disappointed me, really disappointed.

You're talking about Elvin only being in the lead because of road position.

And then they were talking an awful lot about the tires and blaming the tires.

Look, Ted, you are the master of tires, but looking at the tires, understanding tires,

getting the best out of tires.

But the cool fact is that you just can't get the best out of these tires.

You haven't sucked them out.

Yes, they're not the best tires in terms of performance, but everyone's got the same tire.

You know, and Elvin Evans and other drivers are making the most of it.

Who else did you hear whinging about the tires of the weekend?

I don't think anyone wants to vote.

I don't think they did.

You're right at the end of the rally.

And I need to check this out.

And I didn't tell you, Neville talked about.

One of the stages this year where they broke a stage record on the hand-to-tires without the hybrid units.

So the tires can't be that bad.

It can't be that bad, but usually let the tire situation get to him.

And I think that affected his performance.

I think he could have fought for the win there.

I think he could have got on top of those past.

But he got into his head.

He got into his head that he didn't like them.

He wasn't going to get the best out of them.

They weren't going to deliver for him.

So surprise, surprise, they didn't.

Yeah, I think what's interesting with OJ is this kind of goes from most drivers,

but I think particularly OJ, as you said, you can sometimes just let the frustrations boil over.

And it's easy to forget how badly he and Toyota will have taken what happened in Portugal.

There were a couple of the record conversations that I heard through audios,

which obviously can't repeat because they were off the record.

But it almost surprised me, actually, just how still almost frustrated that people are.

So I guess what, three weeks on from from the event.

And this is the thing, we all look at it as neutrals.

Like, oh, this is great because the WRC needed time to win.

But if you're a Toyota and you felt like you should have won and you feel like something

that shouldn't let you down, that's going to hurt.

And I think you're right.

I think there was a bit of that that was still playing on OJ's mind.

We all saw that in this reply in social media, didn't we?

In the game before the event, yeah, yeah.

So where are these things?

And I've just done a bit of math while you were talking there as well, Colin.

Not that I wasn't listening as well.

But as it stands, OJ is 61 points off Alvin.

Now, I don't like playing this game where you change one variable

and assume everything stays the same.

But for the sake of this point, I'm going to do it.

So he obviously finished sixth in Portugal in the end after what happened.

If he'd won, he'd be 44 points back.

So basically 17 points better off.

And as you say, that just seems a lot more competitive

in terms of that fight, doesn't it?

As I say, the points off the Alvin got as well.

The fantastic point, it doesn't.

So Alvin was third in Portugal.

He would have been so it would be down to 41.

41 points. Yeah, good point.

I forgot to say that.

So yeah, there you go.

But that is actually quite a big difference like that.

It's 20 points swing, actually.

20 points swing and even that you would say is 41 points.

Well, 41 points going into the gravel season.

But, you know, a lot of people say, well,

I said something before Portugal, you know, OJ still has ambitions to win a 10.

I thought, no, he doesn't.

No, he doesn't. He absolutely doesn't.

So he might have considered it.

You had things brought in his way in his limited program

up to the middle of year, as he did last year.

He might have considered going for it.

But he's got no ambitions to win 10 titles.

Because if he did, he'd have done that program.

He'd have done it.

If that was his ambition, he'd have done the program and he would have won.

He would have won without any question of the title this year.

So, you know, he doesn't have ambitions at 10 titles.

It's almost like a byproduct.

It's not like a happy accent of winning rallies.

He gets a bit pissed off by that.

Yeah, situationally, he could actually win it.

Yeah, but, you know, we'll talk about, you know, OJ is just,

I think for the rest of the year, going to be a distraction for Elvin Evans

and a distraction in terms of our title fight, a good distraction.

Because we always love seeing said back in the mix.

I certainly do anyway.

I think while we have the opportunity to see your brilliance,

we should appreciate it.

But he will be a distraction and he may yet still have a fairly big say

in the outcome of this year's drivers championship.

Because who knows, he may well take points

as the season goes on from potentially Evans, potentially Oliver Solver.

You know, do we have to now consider Takamoto, potentially a tackle contender?

Maybe, maybe we do.

And do we still consider Adrian for more title contenders?

Yeah, maybe we have to consider that as well.

But, you know, if Solver gets his nonsense together,

then he will be still a type of contender.

If he fails to, he won't be, but we'll come on to Solver, I'm sure, at some point.

But OJ will be just a little bit of a pain for certain people, I think,

because we know in the end.

Yeah, I would agree with that, actually.

And I think it's going to be fascinating to see just how it affects things

because, as we said, we know all he wants to do now.

And it's always what to do for the last few years is win, win rounds.

And again, I think you saw that in Japan, didn't you?

That he felt there was something he couldn't control.

It's always when there's things that he feels he can't control, he gets frustrated.

And there's robust in situation.

I like your point with Elvin in terms of taking advantage of it,

because I think there's potentially, even a few years ago,

would Elvin have made such a decisive gap on that stage?

I don't know. But I think he'd have known.

He'd have seen that and thought, right, this is my opportunity.

And he fully took it.

And over the rest of the rally, he managed the gap and it was just an immaculate win.

For OJ, I think he lost 16 and a half seconds in the stage and he lost by 12.

So he'd claim, oh, this is what cost me the rally.

But then Elvin wasn't going as hard for the rest of it, I'm sure.

And we saw that in Super Sony, didn't we?

So it's never as simple as just doing the math like that.

But it is equally an indication of that stage being the key stage of the event.

And OJ was just, I think, quite angry about it afterwards,

because he felt he couldn't do anything about it.

But yeah, it is going to be interesting in that team to see the dynamic.

Because, as you said, we assume you've got your hand up.

I'll just finish this point very quickly.

Oh, yeah, you can see me. Sorry.

Is that taking my nose as well?

I forgot.

If you weren't, I didn't see it.

So I'm taking three notes of my tea.

Oh, dear. Well, you're very brave to admit that because let's just come on.

But there we go.

Yeah, I think we assume that Toyota is still going to be the benchmark over the gravel.

But we also expect Hyundai is going to be more competitive.

So you mentioned Formo there.

He'll start at least Greece in fifth position on the road,

which is a lot better than Elvin Evans first.

So Evans has basically got to worry about those closest to him in the challenge,

which the minute is Taka Katsuta.

So he's 20 points back.

Then there's a bit of a gap, actually, between Taka and the rest.

Solberg is third, but he's 49 off Elvin.

So this is where it gets interesting.

It's like the tortoise versus the hare, isn't it?

How much can Elvin protect that advantage?

And how much can the rest erode that deficit?

What Elvin really needs in the next rally?

And it'll be very hard to do looking at the gap between them.

But for Solberg to immediately move ahead of Taka and the championship.

And then there's one fewer car in between them in the start order.

That's his dream, isn't it?

Be as close as possible to his rivals, but have as big a gap as possible.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I think one more point about Elvin, though.

I think Elvin is as well prepared as anyone this year.

We see him doing things, particularly on tarmac rallies.

And it's a little bit of an example that we know is actually happening.

But in terms of his preparation, in terms of him having access

to as much information as possible, he's doing things that other drivers aren't.

You know, remember, we saw back in where was it?

Where we saw Aaron Johnson reading off his telephone

because he hadn't got the grab a few notes in time.

We wanted to go over the heads.

Was it Monty? It probably was, wasn't it?

It certainly wasn't Canaries and it wasn't, I don't think it was.

It definitely wasn't Croatia.

But we saw that and it was in one of those situations

where there's so much information coming back from the gravel quiz

that you kind of have to be selective or you make a decision about how you either

take your face off and tease them or you go with the electronic that's on the telephone.

What I know for a fact is that Elvin has recognized the potential for trouble there

and has put measures in place to to make the most of that situation.

He's got huge amounts of information coming back to

between runs on the stages.

He's doing things that I say I understand that other drivers aren't doing.

And I feel it's just a step forward in terms of his preparation.

That first stage, as you say, he did, I suspect

you'll put a lot of work into that first stage, an awful lot of work into it.

You obviously need some classes on the wrecky, but but then your

how do you take time between the wrecky and the stage in terms of your

preparation for that stage?

I think he knew that was the one.

And I think he put a huge amount of effort into that.

We might not have seen that in previous years from Elvin Evans.

We are definitely seeing something different this year.

Look, and yeah, he is going to be looking for situations

to develop where he gets an advantage on gravel, as you say.

Oliver Solver, perhaps just being one carbide.

You know, if he gets a couple of rallies where it's wet, that might help him as well.

That could be the difference between Evans winning a title this year and not winning it.

But I just get his feeling that he is better prepared

and he's doing his homework and he's absolutely focused on the championship

and making the most of every opportunity this year.

Yeah, I can run with that theory and what's frustrating is I was hoping

you're going to talk for approximately another minute.

So I was trying to be seamless here and bring up a points table

with a point I wanted to make.

But I'm currently just searching, I'm speaking because I'm not sure.

But I'm fairly confident and I haven't done the research.

So somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

And I think Elvin is the highest Super Sunday score this year as well.

Right. Even higher than Solberg, which might surprise some people.

But that does surprise me a little bit.

So it's why Solberg didn't take on the Paris stage in Canaries or score points

because obviously he crashed on the penultimate stage.

But the point there is you wouldn't necessarily pick Elvin Evans

as the fastest driver from A to B in one specific stage.

But when he's got the chat, he knows the value of this on a Sunday.

And he's lifted that every single thing you can take advantage of.

He's doing it. And I think that's what's really impressive.

So yeah, it'll be interesting to see, I guess, what happens now in the next

round, isn't it? Because as you said earlier, he's got this handicap now for.

I know what they were trying to do.

It was like, let's not make.

Yeah, well, I don't even know what they're trying to do.

Actually, I think about it because it's logic in that we've all we've got now

is an even longer period of somebody potentially suffering.

But then this is part of rallying unless you bring something back

like the qualifying stage, this is just going to happen.

You can't manipulate it necessarily because that's just how it is.

You can't change physics in terms of roads of all.

So someone has to do it.

No, I don't know.

I've got no issues with the way that the road order is run these days.

It's given us championships that have gone down to the wire

for the past goodness knows how many years.

So it can't be that bad.

It can't be that bad.

So no, no, I'm quite happy with it.

And Alvin, Alvin, I'm sure, has worked out what he needs to do.

He will target certain events between now and the end of the year

where perhaps road position might not make such a big issue

or might not be such a big issue, make such a big difference.

And let's wait and see what you can do.

What I don't want to see are situations like the one I mentioned

down there where, you know, he's battling with Sammy Pirey

on your one car between them.

They can't get past it.

He can't get past it.

That that that all apply is a different driver.

That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, it's a very different driver.

But last year, you're the fully expected Alvin Evans, OK,

one car road difference that shouldn't make any difference

for a driver of Evans's quality and experience against Pirey

and you'd be affected.

But for me, those situations cost the master the cost

in the championship.

That won't happen this year.

Yeah, we'll see.

But I'm inclined to agree with that.

So I guess by Saturday we'll find out if we're both geniuses,

both silly.

And I know I'm silly.

I know I'm not genius.

So you're going to be neither.

OK, let's talk about Takakatsu if we can,

because obviously coming into this one, there was a lot of hope,

a lot of expectation, dare I say, a lot of pressure

as well on the man's shoulders.

Arriving back in Japan is not just a one but a two time winner

in the WRC.

Only six months since WRC was in Japan, of course,

but he'd won two rallies at that time.

Always, always, always, this has been the one that you wanted to win

for fairly obvious reasons, given his Japanese, Toyota's Japanese.

It's the whole rally in every sense.

But every single year, Colin, there always just seems to be something

that doesn't quite work out.

This time it was a stage one, wasn't it?

And I think it kind of what was disappointing

and I don't want to get too analytical myself, because that's your job.

But it was the afternoon look more than the morning look for me,

in that, yes, the things happened in the morning.

Loopy ran wide, got a puncture that then lost in the soft tyre

for the second stage, which he needed for the damp conditions.

That lost him, I think, 25 seconds or odd.

So he's walked half a minute down, then makes another mistake on stage three.

None of that is good, but it was the head just dropped, isn't it?

The afternoon, it was just like, I'm done.

And then I'm using the same caveat I used before with Oji and stuff.

You can't just change one variable and assume the same.

But over Saturday and Sunday's legs,

Taka was three tenths, there's only three tenths,

but he was quicker than Elvin Evans over those two days.

So he had the speed there, but just things didn't quite work out.

And yeah, it was just a shame, wasn't it?

You just, yeah.

It was a real shame.

He's had to speed every year in Japan for the past three or four years.

You know, remember, he was battling for the win last year, Saturday,

battling for the lead, sorry, on the Saturday when he hit those ballouts

a few years ago, when we had that biblical rain on the Friday morning

and he went off, he came back Saturday and Sunday

and he was ridiculously quick Saturday and Sunday.

He can go really quick in Japan.

We know that.

But he's failed to do a clean rally in Japan together.

And that's his issue.

And, you know, Takamori Katsuta was a star

before the start of this year in Japan, a big star.

He wins two rounds at WRC.

He's a superstar.

He's a superstar in terms of Japanese sporting culture.

Did that affect him?

You know, in some ways, you think, OK, he's won two rounds now.

Not just one, he's won two rounds at the WRC.

Surely that takes the pressure off.

That doesn't seem to have been the case, you know, because

he did seem to find that a little tricky to deal with.

As he does every year in Japan, with the extra attention,

with the extra pressure, with the lack of any sort of privacy,

you know, he gets no time to himself.

Any time he talks on the road section, he's instantly surrounded by by fans.

And, you know, the fans in Japan are amongst the very best in the world.

They're remarkably respectful.

But, you know, it all adds up, doesn't it?

And I thought, you know, this year could be tapestry

because that, you know, that that desperate effort to win around the championship

is no longer there.

But no, it was it was disappointing.

It was disappointing.

It was a silly mistake in the opening stage.

And I agree with you entirely.

The head just dropped way too much, way too much.

Now, I don't know again whether that's a cultural thing.

It may be, you know, it may be.

He feels he's let people down and therefore you can't be seen to be too

combative, too positive.

I don't know.

That's an interesting point, yeah.

But his head dropped and he was he was mumbling at stage rounds.

He was very he lacked positivity.

He lacked fighting spirit.

He lacked lots of things.

And it was disappointing because you knew he had it in him.

And we saw that, as you rightly see, on Saturday and Sunday across the stage.

But had we seen a bit of that fighting spirit on on Friday afternoon,

he wouldn't have won the question about that.

But he might have given himself a better chance of accordion.

It is disappointing.

Pakistan knows what he has to do to win rally Japan.

He has to have a clean rally.

He has to have perhaps a different strategic approach.

I don't know.

He needs to put the hard work in the Elvin Evans is putting.

I'm not saying he isn't putting hard work in, but is it hard or not?

He needs to change something because there's always a mistake in Japan or Pakistan.

And if he wants to win and we know he can win, something will have to change.

Because in that would be what he's done.

What he's done for our sport is remarkable.

And I never, ever underestimate the importance of Pakistan.

And I said this even before he won a rally.

You know, the importance of the world's biggest car manufacturer,

the biggest endorser of rallying.

You could argue the manufacturer who keeps rallying going.

The importance of having a competitive Japanese driver in that championship was enormous.

The importance of having a winning Japanese driver was stratospheric.

The importance of having a winning Japanese driver who can compete for a championship

is otherworldly.

And I'm not over exaggerating this.

It is so important to, well, I am a little bit.

In the context of how you can exaggerate, I would say you're not.

You know, it is so important that we have a Japanese driver performing at the highest level.

And don't forget, he's not just any Japanese driver.

He is Toyota's Sansan Sanam, I think we call that now.

Alistair discovered it's not Sansan Sanam.

It is actual Toyota's, it's his project.

It's his concept, you know, this young driver initiative that he set up many years ago.

So it's so important, so, so important that Pakistan succeeds.

Is it absolutely critical he succeeds in Japan?

Well, probably not, probably not.

But it would just bring an added level of impetus.

I think to the, you know, the drive to bring back other Japanese manufacturers

into our championship, which is critical.

We have to get Subaru's back.

We have to get Suzuki's back.

We have to get Mitsubishi's back.

You know, any of these manufacturers, any one of them would be magnificent.

And the most successful Takasan is the more of an advocate that Toyota becomes for our sport,

the more the likelihood is that we will get another Japanese manufacturer.

So there's so much, so much riding on Takasan.

Is it any wonder he feels a bit of pressure?

Yeah, would you put it like that?

But I think it's true to say, I mean, haven't maybe had enough of a sample set yet,

because since he won Croatia, he's only done three rallies, one of them being Japan.

But I do think there probably is, or he feels more relaxed now in general.

But I think Japan is just a different kettle of fish entirely.

And I think, yeah, it's just, and it'd be impossible to, it's easy to say,

oh, why can't drivers just block that?

Even the very best will feel that pressure.

Just the better you get, the more, the better you get at handling it and disguising it

and just getting on with it.

I think for Tak, it means so much.

I mean, no, he's an emotional character.

There's just times where that can kind of interfere.

But weirdly, and I say weirdly, that sounds harsh, but in the championship,

he's 20 points off Elvin, which makes him by far in terms of the math, as we said earlier,

the closest guy to the leader.

And so I guess in that sense, we do have to consider him a championship challenger,

even if we're expecting the names below him on the table, particularly Solberg,

and potentially Formo to have maybe changed that over the course of the year.

But he's in the right place, but then the problem with that is he's second on the road,

isn't he, which is not going to help him either.

So it's quite an interesting situation for him, championship wise as well.

Yeah, but if he continues just to find some consistent form on gravel,

and if he can really put any thoughts of championship out of his mind and just try

to the best of his abilities on gravel, who knows what might happen.

Who knows, you know, if we do see Elvin making the odd mistake, struggling a bit,

if we do see Solberg making more mistakes, if we do see more drivers winning rallies,

and that's the other thing.

You know, drivers have won rallies this year.

Is it five?

Four, because it's not, it's not, no, it is five.

Sorry, it's five.

Yeah, because it's been in your villa as well.

So it's four times.

You know, when you have a championship year that involves multiple drivers

winning rallies, that makes things more interesting, a lot more interesting.

One driver dominating.

So, you know, if Formo takes a win, highly possible.

That then skews things in terms of the championship.

And I think would work in Takasan speed.

It probably wins a ride.

Again, skews things even further and again works in Takasan speed but I suspect.

So anything is possible.

He just, he just has to keep, what Takasan has to do is keep his car on the road and score points.

I think if he has any big fat zeros between now and the end of the year,

it will be incredibly difficult for him to win the title.

If he scores consistently and he scores inside the top five on most events, he's in with a shout.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Not a great shout.

Not a loud shout.

But you could be there.

Yeah, it would basically, it would be silly for us all to not consider in them.

Although it is worth saying, I don't even know if Taka Philly sees himself

with a championship challenge yet.

I think he's kind of just ended up in a situation hasn't he, rather than targeting it,

which will help in terms of his psychology because he's not under pressure to achieve it.

Nobody's essentially expecting to become world champion this year.

So it's not the same pressure as say Evans.

And I dare say Colin, look at this first week segue over Solberg, who you could argue

shouldn't ever be looked at as a challenge or given us his first full year in one of these cars.

But we know how good Solberg is.

And he went and dominated Monte Carlo in the way he did.

That suddenly again, the bar just went up.

But since then in the sixth rally since he's had one podium finish, one.

And I think that every single rally he's had the speed and everything to do that,

but continually things just aren't coming together.

Now, I think he argued fairly strongly that the mistake in Japan that we saw at the weekend was,

I don't want to say it was hard luck because it wasn't because these things always happen

for a reason.

And he made some some kind of difference went on that caused him to go off and others didn't.

But I think potentially here he paid a fairly high mistake for an error,

but equally there's been times this year where he's got away with one quite substantially.

So the pot you can't ignore the pattern.

Can you?

Sadly, it's another event where he's made a mistake and it's bitten.

Yeah.

And it's a learning year for Solberg.

This is what we're all forgetting.

You're right after Monte Carlo.

We're talking about him as a championship contender.

It's a kid in his first full year in a rally one car.

And we're talking about him being a championship contender.

Goodness me.

And I think that hasn't helped him.

I really don't think it has.

David and I had quite a lively debate about that.

And he thinks it has nothing to do with the situation Solberg finds himself in.

I think it's everything to do with the situation Solberg finds himself in.

But I don't have any worries about all of Solberg.

You know, all of these mistakes might well mean that he doesn't become world champion this year.

But he will be world champion next year.

And he'll be world champion many times.

I'm absolutely certain about that.

You know, Japan, the mistake he made, look.

Let us talk about maybe not having again the right information in his

gravel notes, his safety notes.

You know, that cut just before that left hander where you're looking at scrub speed.

It was a very tight and twisty section of the stage.

Going on for quite a few kilometers, that section.

And just before the corner where he made his mistake,

there was actually quite a quick section.

You know, you flat line more or less two corners.

And then you're scrubbing speed, but you've got to lose a lot of speed.

Unfortunately, Solberg was still trying to lose speed as he hit that cut.

That cut, unfortunately, was the deepest cut that was seen in the whole stage.

It was very messy.

And he just, he didn't have a, the messy, deep cut in his

information from a safety crew and just wasn't able to scrub speed.

And we saw that consequence.

But that's a learning again.

And as I say, you know, you look at Elvin Evans,

and Elvin Evans has put extra measures in place to get the maximum information

from his safety crews on the stages.

So, you know, it's a learning for young Oliver, but I have no issues.

His speed is phenomenal.

His rally craft isn't quite there yet.

You know, he was four seconds up on the split,

three and a bit four seconds up on the split before he went off.

He was clearly putting a big push on on that stage.

And again, you could argue it would maybe be the right decision.

I think he'd taken three out of Elvin on the first run in that stage.

So he saw an opportunity and, you know, the confidence of youth.

He thought, well, I'm going to go for it.

He certainly was going for it, just a little bit.

And it was just a little bit fractionally too much.

And if he went, he will learn and he will get better.

And will he learn and will he get better to the degree

that he'll be world champion this year?

I think, I think we're now beginning to question that.

But it doesn't really matter.

As I say, Oliver Solberg should never have been considered

a world championship hopeful in his first school year.

His brilliance means that we all did have to consider him.

And maybe, maybe he will prove me wrong.

Maybe he's the sort of kid you can learn really, really quickly.

And the errors he's made have been really small, really small errors.

The kind of errors you will get away with on gravel.

Well, this is the thing is let's wait and see.

Let's wait and see.

If he shows the case that he's shown on time on gravel,

he's going to win that is between now and the end of the year.

And he's going to win quite soon.

Yeah, I think so.

I don't know if it's the right phrase to use,

but if we can call them his day-enders,

the accents that I've called the retire from my leg,

all three of those have been on tarmac, which is interesting, isn't it?

And that can't be pure Queensland's either.

But I guess it's that old adage where, essentially on tarmac,

if you go off, you're going to hit something.

That's kind of how it works, given where the stage is.

Even a small, yeah.

And the issue is on tarmac, that it just goes so quickly.

You're on gravel, it goes, and you have a chance to get it back.

On tarmac, it goes and it's gone.

But I remember Saul Bucket early on in his career,

did he do the Italian championship?

I think he did for tarmac experience.

This is a good question.

What I remember from the video was him getting tuition with low

in a 208.2, and that was just freeing him at the time.

But yeah, he certainly did come from tarmac rallying, yeah, as a youngster.

I don't think you can say he's weaker on tarmac than he is on gravel,

because his pace on tarmac has been exceptional,

as you mentioned earlier on, he was just otherworldly in Monte Carlo.

It was a phenomenal performance.

But the craft perhaps on tarmac, the thought process on tarmac,

what I've always said is great champions are the ones who make the right decisions at the right time.

And that's what rally practice is all about,

making the right decisions at the right time.

There are people who were never champions, and could have been champions,

if they'd made one or two right decisions that turned out to be wrong decisions for them.

I'm thinking Latvala, I'm thinking Mech amongst others.

But with Sebastian Auger and Sebastian Loeb, the one absolutely common factor that is

unequivocal is that they were brilliant decision makers.

They knew where to push, they knew where to be sit,

they knew where to take the right time.

They were strategically process driven thinkers who made the right decisions.

They had craft, they developed their craft very quickly.

And that's what Solbert is working towards on tarmac.

When that happens, and he does start to make more right decisions and the wrong decisions,

you'll be a force, you'll be an absolute force on tarmac.

Yeah, I think it's hard to disagree with that.

I'm so conflicted about whether to look at, as you sort of mentioned when he earlier

answers about his championship chances this year.

I can't remember if it was ever recorded or if it was just something I was saying to people.

But I was very like sure, like really quite sure,

that Solberg would be world champion this year.

And that expectation, as I sort of said before, only increased after Monte Carlo.

Now, it's far from impossible, but Evans is the favourite, I think, with the ways driven

and the sort of advantage he now has.

But I'm so fascinated to see how this gap evolves.

Because 49 points is with seven rallies.

If Solberg, and it's complicated because it's Super Sunday,

if Solberg wins every rally, and Evans is second,

Solberg will win the world championship.

So he's far from out the picture.

Even though the points situation might look like it just now,

he's got about 66% of Evans points.

Well, don't forget that at one point last year,

Elvin Evans is leading the championship.

It was 50 points, it was at 51 points.

It was big, right?

It was over.

It was 50 or 50 plus, and he didn't win.

And he didn't win.

Okay, he lost to Augie's utter, utter brilliance.

But he didn't win.

Now he ain't got that lead now.

It's not 50 points.

What do you say?

It's 40 points now, isn't it?

It's 20 of a tack, a 49 of a score.

So yeah, I think Elvin will be well aware of that.

But as we mentioned earlier on, I do believe Elvin is better.

But yeah, Solberg will not have,

if he had aspirations for the title this year.

And I think he must have had, particularly after he saw

his ability to absolutely smash everyone in Monte.

And then the pace that he's shown since then,

yes, he's made mistakes, but the pace he's shown since then,

he must be considering himself a title contender.

And I think he still will consider himself a title contender.

And the next two or three rallies will be critical for that.

They will be critical.

And if he can get himself back, all himself back

up towards Takasan, and things start to move,

when the momentum begins to move in his direction,

then yeah, anything can happen between now and the end of the year.

But as I say, my feeling is very much that Elvin

is looking at a different competitor.

He's a different fighter this year.

And I think Elvin will have a strategy for the second half of the year.

And I think strategy will pay dividends for him, maybe.

That's very confident that he just caveatted that at the end.

We are unbelievably 40 minutes into this recording,

are we?

We are.

40 minutes of joy.

Absolutely joy.

There it is, of course.

But we haven't talked about a driver, not in a Toyota.

So, unfortunately, with Sammy Pyeri,

I don't think there's maybe much we can see.

But I don't think there is, we really...

Oh, sorry, I'll rephrase that.

I don't think there is that much we actually can see,

because it was just another podium, wasn't it?

Which is deeply impressive.

But I think Sammy, amongst everybody else,

are now starting to expect when is this first win coming?

And I don't think it's impossible at all

for him to do it at the end of this year.

I do think, though, there's another man

who's potentially more likely to get that first win.

And that is Adrian Formot,

who again, yes, there was a spin on Friday morning.

But he continued to get the most out of what is a very, very difficult car on tarmac.

He must be buzzing that he's done with it now.

He's on gravel, he's got a good start position.

He's even behind Ogie on the road.

He's behind Ogie by a point in the championship,

but he'll be behind the one on the road in Greece.

Sixth on the road, he'll start there.

Yes, he's got fast teammates behind him as well,

including Terry Neuville.

And I'm not suggesting Greece has to be the one.

But Formot's target has to be that first win.

And I think deep down,

he still thinks he's got a championship chance as well.

He's got no chance in the championship.

But let's be absolutely frank about that.

He's got no chance.

He's up against three or four Toy Altis.

He's got no chance.

He was impressive in Japan, really impressive.

Because he was positive.

He kept the positivity.

He kept pushing.

And he pushed the car to the absolute max

that it was capable of delivering

in the conditions that we found ourselves in.

And I like the look of Adrien Formot.

And I think day one, Terry Neuville

had said goodbye to those cars.

No, not a lot I can do with this car.

I'll just bring it to the end.

And don't forget that he was the head

of Formot going into Saturday, wasn't he?

And Formot passed him.

He ruled him in.

He passed them.

He built a very, very good league

over Formot, over Neuville.

And yeah, Formot is the one.

Formot's driving for his future.

You know, whereas Terry Neuville

is driving as a sworn son.

It's a sworn songless year for Terry Neuville.

If he gets a win, fabulous.

If he doesn't, thanks very much.

It's been a very fruitful 12 seasons

at the very highest level.

Thank you very much.

Whereas Adrien Formot is very much

at the opposite end of his career.

Still trying to establish himself

as a rally winner, a championship.

Stand up.

He will see opportunities.

Who knows?

Your high on that might stay.

They might stay.

They might.

They might stay in the championship

in some form or another next year.

Let's wait and see.

But what Formot knows is that with

rumored new manufacturers,

with new rumored instructors,

there are opportunities.

And a driver with his ability,

his experience, his determination.

And let's face it, you know,

his appeal.

Because he's got massive appeal.

Because he's one of the most switched

on drivers out there in terms of

marketing and PR and social media

and all of those things.

You know, he knows he'll be a man in

demand.

So he has to keep moving himself

at every opportunity.

He can't just say,

well, it's the last throw of the dice

with these cars.

We'll just take it to the finish.

No.

He wants to beat both his teammates.

And he wants to beat them convincingly.

And he wants to do the best he can.

And that will be the same on every

single rally.

For Formot between now and the end

of the season.

And as you rightly say,

Greece's fabulous rally for Hyundai.

Greece, as we've seen in the past.

Fabulous rally to take advantage of

road position on.

Don't forget that.

Don't forget the driver's name I've

forgotten.

Louvet.

Louvet was right up there at the end

of the Friday, a couple of years ago.

Anything is possible in Greece.

123 for Hyundai.

Not so many years ago there.

It's a bit odd.

It's a rough, tough, car-braking rally.

But the Hyundai seemed well suited to it.

It's suited to the level of grip that it gives

in Greece.

And I think it's a great chance.

A great, great chance for Adrien Formot.

But the car needs to stay in one piece.

And if it does, yeah, we might see something special.

To put a bit more context around Formot's

year, he's finished in the top Hyundai

on five of the seven events.

And one of those was a slight assist,

is worth saying.

Lapid did so down from in Sweden.

But that's not really a slight against him.

Even though Lapid's a former rally Sweden winner.

But he's had Neville covered it basically every turn.

They already was.

The one event he didn't was Portugal.

That's where Thierry won.

Thierry's results this year are always so bizarre to me.

And I'm going to read them out as 11.

There's actually really consistent, but not in the best way.

So he's fifth in Monte Carlo, seventh in Sweden,

12th in Kenya.

I can't remember what happened,

but he retired on Saturday, didn't he?

Obviously a DNF in Croatia when he was leading,

sixth in Canaries, sixth in Japan,

but first in Portugal.

That one event sticks out.

But then you could argue that the other way,

that it's mostly, and not all of that is,

but mostly when it comes to tarmac,

where the big struggle has been.

Thierry will feel a lot more motivated now

when we're going on to the loose.

But as you say, he's got a big task

to even finish as the top driver in his own team.

Let him win and beat the Toyota.

I think it's going to be really fascinating

between those two.

You've voted for both the rest of the year.

And as you say, in terms of what the motivation is,

I think that both essentially just go

for as many rally wins as they can get away with.

Absolutely, 100%.

Who's the third driver for Hyundai?

Is it Lappie, I assume it is?

For Greece.

For Greece, it's Sordo.

Sordo, that's a strange decision, isn't it?

Another strange decision in what has been,

I think, a year of strange decisions

in terms of the third drivers.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm not going to give Sordo.

Sordo, I love the bits.

But I don't think he'll upset the apple cart too much

when we get to Greece.

But yeah, let's wait and see.

You know, Fomor is still enormously motivated

to prove that he is good enough to win rallies,

to prove that he is good enough to lead a team,

and to prove that he's good enough for a future

in the World Rally Championship.

And that, my goodness me,

that's a lot of motivation.

And that's the difference right now that we're seeing,

I think, between Lappie and Fomor.

Fomor wants it, and he wants it a hell of a lot more.

Hayden Pan was obviously Hyundai's third driver in Japan.

Sadly, this might, and we have to stress the word might,

it might be his last event for the team on Rally One.

Certainly the original deal was for these three,

Tom McRally's Monte Carlo, Croatia,

and last weekend in Japan.

He's obviously very keen to get a gravel event.

I think Hyundai are supposedly impressed with him.

Then it becomes a question of who,

we don't know their strategy for the rest of the year,

but you can make safe assumptions, can't you,

about who's going to be where.

I think it's a fairly obvious thing

that will be lapping in the car for Estonia and Finland.

The two that no one seems to know who might be where

are the South American ones.

And I think that's where Pan is starting.

I think it'd be fascinating to see him on that surface,

because we know as much he's been,

it's like Mickelson a few years ago, isn't it?

He's been painted out as the Tom McExpert,

Padden's not comparing the two.

He's more naturally gifted on gravel than he is on Tom.

He's worked very hard to become very good on Tom Mc.

But it's not good on Tom.

It's not, I say it's not good, he's good everywhere,

but it would not have been his choice, the Tom McRallys.

Absolutely not.

I find that utterly baffling that you've got

Danny Sago and the team,

and Sago's done none of the Tom McRallys.

And Padden, a man who is blindingly fast,

certainly can be, has been,

I think probably still can be on gravel.

He's done all the Tom McRallys.

It's bizarre.

It's absolutely bizarre.

But you can't argue against the performances

that Padden's put in on Tom Mc.

It's not exactly what the team needed him to do.

It doesn't matter if he was any quicker in Japan than he was.

If he was a second decade quicker,

he still would have probably finished where he finished,

maybe not a second decade.

But if he was half a second in the kilometer quicker,

he probably would have finished where he did.

So yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know.

I think we will see him back.

I think we'll see him on one of the South American runs.

Remember Laffey's gone very well

in South America previously, in Chile.

So yeah, I think there's a good chance Laffey might do one.

Maybe he'll do both in South America,

but there's every chance that Padden might do one of those.

That would be interesting.

Really interesting, didn't I?

I kind of get the feeling that though, you know,

yeah, yeah, it's a bonus.

This is a bonus year for Hayden Pannon.

Padden, he absolutely didn't expect

to be back in the World Rally Championship.

But he's had a wee sniff of it,

and he likes to smell it again, I think.

And he sees maybe an opportunity

in the World Rally Championship.

So yeah, he's still relatively young.

He's still very, very talented.

He is a winner in the World Rally Championship,

and we're a bit short on those at times.

So yeah, let's see what Padden could do.

Tell you what the most interesting thing

that Padden said to me at the weekend.

Look, he was very upbeat, right?

Positive about the chances of a return to New Zealand

for the World Rally Championship.

That got me excited.

Yeah, you're right.

I forgot when he said that.

There's a little insight into how it works.

Obviously, Colin was at the event.

I was at home working remotely,

and every kind of interview we do

in the media zone comes back to me

and whoever it is at home to listen back

to transcribe whatever.

And I'd forgotten he said that.

I didn't listen to him say it,

but I think it was at the start of the week, wasn't it?

It was, yeah.

A lot happened between him saying that and that.

But he was very, very positive, and I think it's great.

We need to be in the Antibodians,

we need to be in either Australia or New Zealand.

There are fantastic rally communities in both countries.

There are fantastic rallies in both countries.

What both countries give us

is visually something very different,

and that's what this championship thrives on.

It thrives on its variety.

Variety surfaces, variety of photos,

variety of videos, and that televisual kind of variety.

And Australia and New Zealand

give us something very, very different.

And I think we should be back down here

and hear the pattern.

Certainly, certainly seem very upbeat about New Zealand.

So who knows?

The competition for slots in the championship

is intense right now.

It really is.

So it'll take something for them to get back.

Maybe, maybe it'll take an increase

in the size of the championship.

I can easily see us going for 16 rounds.

Beyond 16, I'm not sure about.

I can see us going at 16.

I'll keep this point brief.

I don't want to spend too much time on it.

But I do find it quite strange in a way,

this demand for a calendar space,

because it feels like complete odds of everything else

with the WRC.

Like that's really strong, and there's so much interest,

but everything else is kind of waning a little bit.

And it's a really weird juxtaposition

that in some respects.

But you're dead right.

There's 14 rallies now,

but so many that are trying.

US is the obvious one that's really knocking on the door

there for 2027, isn't it?

Something's going to have to give way as it stands.

US and Scotland.

Scotland's back as well.

A US, I'd say, is penciled.

It's not completely in,

but I would say it's a good chance

as long as everything goes well

in the next few weeks, essentially.

Yeah, we could well have an announcement there

at some point this year.

So yeah, it's going to be interesting,

actually, towards the calendar.

Not just the change of regulation for next year,

but different parts of the world

we're travelling to as well.

So that'll be good.

But fingers crossed,

we can get down to Australia or New Zealand.

We take either, maybe both.

I hope we see Padden.

Yeah, I hope we see Padden back this year.

M Sport forward.

Cole, I think, for me,

John Armstrong's situation

with the body sweat was strange.

More just because I don't remember this

ever being something that's happened before.

At this time.

In motor sport.

When he said that at the stage then,

I thought he was joking.

I genuinely thought he was joking.

But then I thought,

actually, he's told, it sounds strange,

but he's told him before that he does sweat a lot.

So I thought, actually, is there something,

and it was because he had the problem.

I think it was Canaries as the other route.

It was certainly we, as an audience,

remember hearing bits on.

And it was like the intercom broke for a little bit,

but then came back, which is unusual.

Normally, if it breaks, it breaks.

Something's broken.

But yeah, essentially,

his sweat is interfering with one of the connecting cables

to his helmet to the intercom.

It's one of these things, isn't it?

You can't predict that.

But it's interesting to hear that M Sport and the kit suppliers

are going into such detail to recreate the problem

and understand these things.

It's an engineering solution at the end of the day, isn't it?

I don't think it really affected his rally too much,

but it was quite an interesting side note, I think.

Yeah, a really interesting side note.

Yeah, and it shows you that everything

has to be absolutely right in rallying,

and there are some very bizarre things that go wrong.

And that's one of the most bizarre,

or the more bizarre things that we've seen over the past few years.

Yeah, the fact that they couldn't quite get on top of it

during the course of the rally, to me, was interesting as well.

You'd have thought that it could have come up

some solutions clearly, a bit more complex than that.

So yeah, let's hope they saw that out.

But it was there.

Again, that's what we came for M Sport, wasn't it?

Josh McReyland seemed, for me, seemed out of sorts.

I don't know, no one else seemed to pick up on it,

but I thought he was a bit down in the dumps,

to be honest with you.

He didn't seem as usual, terribly cheered.

Josh is a positive guy.

He's a massively positive guy, a lovely guy to be around.

You know, it takes his rallying seriously,

but it doesn't take himself too seriously.

And he's always happy to have a conversation about the lap,

and then applies himself when he's in the car.

But I just felt it just wasn't as usual.

Self over the course of the weekend,

and I never got to the bottom of why that might have been the case.

Or even if it was the case, that might have been completely mistreated.

But it was a tough weekend, you know.

We had the problems with John.

They were a long way off the pace.

Obviously, Josh did pick up the puncture, didn't he?

On, I think, Friday afternoon,

that meant he found himself in the battle with rally two cars.

We got past one, and then we got past the cash on.

We didn't have to get past Ryzen at the end of the day.

You know, things are going to get difficult

for M Sport between now and the end of the year,

because I have absolutely no doubt these rally one cars,

they're not selling many,

so inventory's aren't really that big,

terms of spare parts and all of this.

I think they'll be under fairly strict construction,

not to break things between now and the end of the year.

And did we see maybe a start to that in Japan?

I don't know, I don't know.

But really, for both of those drivers,

and even for Josh in the second year,

it is still about experience.

McAleane's kind of been a similar position

that perhaps for Moe was in a few years ago,

where he's using M Sport as a shop window.

Armstrong in a similar position.

But they will both know that,

and they'll both know that they probably have to do something

a little more towards the end of the year

than they've done at the start of the year.

Maybe not so much for Armstrong,

maybe he just has to continue the case of progression

that we've seen from him.

But certainly Josh will know

he's got to show a little bit of something.

And balancing maybe, maybe instructions,

maybe, maybe instructions about looking out to the car,

with proving yourself in your own speed,

is always, always, always a tricky situation.

We'll have obviously Martin Sesk around

for I think five of the next seven events as well,

which in other consequence,

the way this calendar's rolled out,

he's had exactly the same program this year,

but it's structured differently

because the calendar is all the time I could start.

It's not really been around,

but as less I've forgotten something,

I think it is five of the next seven he'll be there for.

So that again is another yardstick

for the two Irishmen to come across.

And it will be interesting.

I think some of those drivers get frustrated

when we all talk about the battle of the M Sports,

but it is kind of what it is.

Because they're all in roughly,

not exactly the same position,

but again on the road,

they'll all be similar places.

It is a useful comparison,

but I do think that car has struggled more,

like the Hyundai,

they struggled more on tarmac.

Toyota has found a massive gain there.

And I do still think on gravel,

Toyota is the best car.

I think a difference on gravel is far less pronounced.

So I think there is more opportunity for the drivers,

but I would agree,

particularly somewhere like Greece,

that is so rough and rocky.

The last thing that anything can be forward to be doing

is trying to be the hero on the first day.

And as you say, maybe,

and I know I can't remember what happened to Lubei

that year he led,

but don't need that.

That proves my point.

It's don't, yeah.

I might be wrong about that.

I might be wrong about that,

but I think he crashed on Saturday.

Either way, yeah.

I think for them, as you say,

even with McElaine,

who's more experienced than John,

he's still not Uber experienced at this level in this car.

So yeah, they can't be doing anything daft.

But yeah, I'll be interested to see what they do.

Over the remainder of the year.

Yeah, there's opportunities, Lubei,

and Cess, you have to throw into that mix as well.

Absolutely throw into that mix.

Opportunities with M Sport next year.

We don't know what M Sport's going to look like next year,

but probably around, well,

almost certainly around too far.

Will there be an official M Sport team?

Will it be a number of private drivers under the M Sport?

Who knows?

Who knows how it's going to be structured?

But there will be opportunities for young drivers next year.

There will be new teams who will want drivers

with experience of the World Championship,

who will want drivers who are capable of winning,

or at least show the potential to be capable of winning rallies.

So you're all of the youngsters at M Sport understand that,

and they know in the back of their minds

that the next seven rallies, five for Cess,

could be really important in terms of their careers.

I would agree.

Yeah, it's kind of crunch time, isn't it, in a way?

So we'll see how that unfolds.

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