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Hello and welcome to this car pod I'm Filippo I'm Nick Kenan's out today we
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got a lot to cover let's start with the big news story our Euro road trip is
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live folks if you haven't seen we did a road trip where we took our cars to
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Paris, California yeah and we the Knicks multiply my Audi A2 Filippo's
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we did that there's a great video on the cars and bids YouTube channel it's
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I'm told it's hilarious I've only watched part of it I can't wait to see it
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also that's just video one there's gonna be two more coming two more coming the
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cars are for sale indeed I find it interesting that we're selling the cars
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prior to all of the videos going live like the auctions will end and then
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people will buy the cars but then later there may be videos that the people all
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the videos come out while the auctions are still live it's a 10-day auction a
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special god for us cars and bids insiders we're really milk in the system
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here I'm a little bit anxious about the fact that the both the multiple and the
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A2 are at 6 9 6 9 which is obviously a joke bid but I believe that is their
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value if not more than their value whoever put that bid in is gonna regret
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it because he or she will end up with the cars I'm gonna throw out there we
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spent oh eight grand multiple never good I know they got a way to go we paid
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more than that for Nick and I have some sir yeah we paid more than that we
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radically overpaid for both of these cars so we could do a euro road trip with
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them that's an interesting point and it's great go watch it even though I
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myself have not by the time you've seen this I will have watched it it I saw for
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the first time this morning when it went live so good super happy with how it
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came out I saw the first 10 minutes it was it was really fun we were all a
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little silly and out there I'm getting dragged in the comments rightfully so
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for being a typical American what they don't know is that then in the next video
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you're going drag racing what they also don't know is je m'appelle Nicolas
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no no like no I'm French move on move on your car road trip go watch it the
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cars and bids YouTube channel we're gonna talk more about it next week but
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it's a great it's a great video series with great cars Filippo's finally gonna
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rid himself of his 500 of Barth thank god it's gone and I'm so glad the A2 in
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the multiple also be gone the office will be rid of these vehicles sad a lot
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fewer Italian vehicles once they're gone don't buy these cars by the way they're
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all bad definitely buy them and also buy the multiple it's the best of the three
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it is my favorite of the three I knew my wife was like Doug is gonna talk down
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on your multiply do not let him do it and you know what I'm I forgot to talk
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to you before the pods I'm telling you now the multiple is a gem only one in
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the country and it is worth at least 40 50 grand so here's the deal so Filippo
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doesn't really care anymore just once this car gone yeah I didn't buy the A2
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the company bought it so I don't care I care the only person who cares about the
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sale price of his car is Nick and Nick and I have a bet going about what we
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think it's gonna be yeah but I'm not gonna share the bet because I don't want
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people to put over pit we don't promote betting markets here right we god knows
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unless one of them spawns on them speaking but we're all over it
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Hagerty did sponsor the series which is really fantastic yeah and they ensure
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two of the cars so they will be happy when they sell and they're potentially
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for a lot to talk about Sean's probably yelling me later but I'm so glad we have
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Hagerty as a sponsor that's great like I literally have been a Hagerty customer I
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spend thousands of dollars with Hagerty every minute and now you indirectly get
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some of that back I use all of your sponsors if someone wants to give a
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free t-shirt like dodge at Bear Jackson I have underwear from us I think I have
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chubbies I'm gonna wear tonight in the hot tub the next story is sponsored by
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Nick Roshan's YouTube channel which is Tesla is killing off the ex it's
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actually kind of a dystopian story because it's not
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honestly that's what's happening Tesla has literally what they need the
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production line capacity to build a humanoid robot now what they didn't say
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is that the Model S came out in 2012 and has received a single refresh in 2017
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and has been the same and the model X came out in 2016 and hasn't really been
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refreshed ever the model s they changed the front that was the reframe I'm sure
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they've said there have been other ones there I know there was one real yet we
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all agree this one the model what the model s I believe I I haven't looked
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this up but I really think it might be the oldest new car on sale the
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challenger is gone the charger is gone the old bodies the is the Chevy Express
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still on the Macan came out after so yeah is the the front here is express is
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technically dead but is the express on sale or not it's dead what about the GMC
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Savannah believe that I think you're right you could still buy the Econoline
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chassis trucks so maybe that is but the model s though was so far ahead of its
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time when it came out that it was it was able to have this long generation yep
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which is 15 years wow however it is gone the X is gone you know that's a
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couple of interesting things about this to me the most interesting thing like
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what killed them ultimately was that they did the exact same products but
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cheaper and I I was making this point to Rivian history like the R2 yeah is
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Rivian small SUV that's coming like an R1 s but littler and ultimately like the
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model X once the Y came out the X was really only selling to people who
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absolutely needed the space yep or one of the doors yeah but three row SUVs are
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huge bigger like I think a revised model X could do well I think the model s
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maybe you let the big sedan market my yeah my problem with the X and with the
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Rivians is that like the Range Rover you buy it it looks totally different yeah
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like compared to a Valar or a Discovery or an Invoke like the Range Rover looks
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like real the X it's hard to tell a normal person can't tell the difference
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between a Y and an X a normal person we can I agree although like Audi is also
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famous for all their models looking very similar to slightly different the A8 is
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yeah and how's that worked for them I the A6 and the A8 are both are both dead
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a lot of companies like having a similar design language is a good thing a
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different packaging that you want three rows you want two rows you want big you
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want medium you want small I think I'm surprised that they're discontinuing the
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SUV the big sedan is not a surprise I think the reason it's not surprising is
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that they've been out for a long time they're frankly very stale they're not
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selling but you refresh it you remodel it and they don't want to invest in it
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which I don't want to invest it because they want robots I think that's what they
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find is that there's not a huge market for this vehicle because other than the
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third row it's indistinct and it's really expensive and also coming up with
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another one does not help their stock price they're gonna build humanoid
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robots what what is the market for the robots do you don't want a humanoid robot
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no remember the two-door taxi that's that's coming out remember a
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little kind of big-brained stuff this come whistling bought one and like taught
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it to attack things around with a sword it was amazing arrested again I know I
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know anyway X and S are dead no surprise for those who've been following
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you I agree with you it's not surprising especially about s yeah the big sedan
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market is slow this car was a huge deal when it came out I just recorded a video
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of the most impactful cars in last 30 years one of them and I put that as
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number one spoiler alert subscribe so you don't miss it I don't you think that
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that like yeah yeah 100% I car change the world the previous might be more but
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you said that was number two you know three 20 years the o3 prius that car
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changed changed the absolute world but Tesla now pairs down we have just the
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three in the line so are they investing that heavily in any product I do
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wonder where their R&D dollars are going that the three came out was with
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refreshed will there be a next generation they're kind of coming to the
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end of that timeline they should have one in progress if why do you think that
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many of that timeline this car lasted I mean the three came out in 18 didn't it
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so this is six years after so they got six more years of the three it's hard
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for Tesla because their design language is this very specific thing and they
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can't really deviate and so it's like where do we go from here the tech is
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already what the tech is there eventually the only to redesign it maybe
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unless they're going to like an iPhone s where there's some small changes maybe
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here's a counterpoint maybe Tesla just gives up on the car biz maybe they're
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like we made our point we're out I know it's laughable to say this right now but
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they've given like the self-driving thing is no longer class leading the giant
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screen everybody has they've given up their supercharger network to everybody
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else they've get the charging ports and charging standard like there's not really
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maybe Tesla just quietly over the next 10 years just says we we killed it we
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changed the world now we're gonna walk away and let everyone else handle it yeah
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that's what companies are 2.3 trillion dollar market that you move on to
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humanoid well yeah that's the next frontier SpaceX and X AI which is the
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AI arm of X I guess are joining forces to be a common I just don't see what
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Tesla has anymore that is like that big of a model Y was the best-selling car in
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the world last year okay so they have the best-selling car in the world but
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other than that no point that like the advantages what Tesla for years had
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these massive advantages over all these other car companies and like they got
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to innovate and I get not wanting to if they do want to continue in the car
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industry not just do cybercabs yeah which then we need to see like a real
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something real like I would invest in these I would be investing the next
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generation model 3 next generation model y yeah right that's where the market
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is those are global cars that sell really okay it's still interesting to see
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these beloved cars canceled and speaking of canceled apparently a person is
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considering cutting their electric sports car entirely this has been a
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crazy on this podcast we're at episode 97 yeah the first episodes all the
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Boxster is gonna go away then eventually the Boxster is gone yeah and then
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eventually oh now they're thinking about maybe doing a plug-in hybrid or a gas
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one alongside an electric one now here we are the electric one is dead and by
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the way Porsche thinking about canceling it it's dead there the news
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articles around it are basically it has there have been mounting costs to get
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it the platform to where they want it to be and to get the car to where they
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want it to be so I imagine they're pretty deep in production despite all these
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costs it's still undesirable no matter how much money you spent on this thing
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ain't nobody want it yep kind of like your shirt honestly what a little
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spring apparently good for that price they have made it we talked about months
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two months ago about maybe there'll be a plug-in hybrid version adding that to
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this platform seems like it's been really difficult they're just
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considering scrapping it entirely give us a flat six that's right even like a
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boxer have the remarks and all that for a million dollars plus penne ferrita
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batista nice although I did drive it I mean I'm cyberster oh yeah just like
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your granddaddy's old MG yeah yeah the turn signals were big fan arrows yeah
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they were I'm not surprised by this at all no bring back to flat six you could
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you could win all the enthusiasts back with a 983 that has a flat technically
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the 718 was a 982 yeah you could bring them all back with with a flat six and
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just say we're coming back baby everybody's everybody would be into it
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the boxer doesn't surprise me as much but you're saying all EV so like the
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just the mid-engined sports car what was formerly the mid-engined sports car
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I always rumored that they are getting rid of our EVs mid-engine and they're
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naturally aspirated but that's a thing everybody's all everybody's all up on
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these NA cars all the big ol and remember the model s plaid is the fastest
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naturally aspirated I have a real question so like you normally define
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about where it is relative to the axles but the motors usually are on the axles
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or on the wheels yeah mid-engine I think I think at this point you would define it
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based on the like the weight distribution and like the feel so so they're all
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depends on the car because all the batteries are in the floor the
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batteries on the floor yeah they're all mid-engine in a way in a way I think that
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as a result of that electric lens itself kind of okay to a pretty good the
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batteries are they tend to be low so they keep the center of gravity low and
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they tend to be in the exceptional yeah and in centaur yeah you Audi would not
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get their complaints about the weight being too far forward with the no there
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are benefits to it and that a Hyundai now shifts gears which is great all right
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that these are probably dead goodbye goodbye and good riddance no no I
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legitimately you're the only one I know and you never would have spent the money
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off without a single doubt now it would have cost 90 grand after all the
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suppliers no doubt next next story oh speaking of dead this surprises nobody
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but the Lexus LC is dead shame after one more year or something like that this
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year I don't know this car could have been this car is special yeah could have
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been this car is gonna go down as special and it will it's an NAVA it is
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beautiful they didn't sell many of them this car is gonna go down as a special
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special it's the mark for Supra of our generation you give it 20 years 25 years
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but in that time this car will go down as a truly still looks like a concept
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car still looks like a concept car I actually think that you know when they
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left remote touch and went to normal screen it's those that are gonna be the
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most desired there's like a three there's gonna be three model years of really
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desirable LC they're all gonna be desirable except for the hybrid ones but
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this car is gonna be special someday it is you by that same looking at the
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400 the like 90 no it's different would also be so beautiful car with a V8 yeah
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it's different no that's not really a performance last NAV8 it was a real
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fast car the S the Lexus SC despite enthusiasts claiming that the first
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gen wasn't has always been a soft luxury car this car is gonna be special I
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think it was a soft luxury car have you driven nuts but but if people that you
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do see driving them you assume it's comfortable enough for their 80 plus
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who do you see driving a 9-11 I haven't seen someone under 90 driving a new
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9-11 in 15 years seems like 50 the average buyer age of a new 9-11 has got
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to be 77 years this car is a special car and I think it's gonna go down as the
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especially those last few model years the best improvements losing remote
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touch you're right though that it's gonna take a while well it's not gonna be in
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a couple years if you've paid attention to values for these already yeah
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they're already okay this car is already like yeah like early used ones are
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still like in the 50s valuable cars and the market is already appreciating this
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car for what it is it's always gonna be a small group of people but as the
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hybrids come and the plug-in hybrids and all this dumb stuff ignore the hybrid
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one of these I know all the buyers did I also like that they came in cool
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colors like colors bright yellow ones are gonna be like purple 20 years from now
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someone's gonna be like I'm gonna have a bright yellow v8 last of the last toy
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at a Lexus on cars and bids 2055 this will be a huge huge 25 I'll come back to
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episode 90 what do you think's gonna age better this to the LFA this is
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already aged better than the LFA it looked better than the LFA from Dave
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one it drives better it's better in every single way 15th the price we're
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doing well the LFA has slightly better sound yeah the LFA sounds better I mean
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I'm sure there's other things that the LFA it's got more letters in its name I
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There's other dumb stuff that the LFA this car was always a better halo car it
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just at the end of the day the market simply isn't really there for a Lexus
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coupe no matter how good it was this car goes down as a very special car buy
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your LC 500s folks enjoy them you got one more year a reliable I mean look at
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ISFs that cars that cars 15 years old 20 years old they have retained their
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values I mean they've appreciated I'm not saying it's gonna go crazy
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appreciation you would have been sitting on this pod being like the mark for
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Supra will never be worth anything just like that's an interesting point you
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want to set that about all these cars you know we got a Z32 over there you've
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driven one of us no we're gonna find out how it is how much it's worth it's
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amazing this credible in this basement it's stacked right now it's also it's
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stacked with with low mile 90s and like between we got it we got it oh for STI
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down here with 875 miles we got a Z32 twin turbo 300zx with 6800 miles and then
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we have an NSX with 321 thousand miles you know what I learned recently I got
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the approval for my multiple auction and it only is 136,000 miles I've never done
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the calculation from kilometers and I was like wow that's pretty good in middle
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school a formative time in my life I ran track and field and a girl looked at me
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then another girl looked at her friend and said don't look at him he's got
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lounging poolside they feel broken in and yeah my legs look good and this is a
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LLC 500 new s-class it's been refreshed new s-class much like the s the Tesla
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Model S it has undergone a lot of changes as Ryan might argue this is more
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changes than the Model S ever it looks really subtle at first but literally
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everything is different the steering wheel there's more screens well every
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facial specifically the s-class is finally getting the hyper screen which
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debuted in EQS yeah and I don't remember what the latest is on EQ whether
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they're completely canceling it or roaring it back they'll change tomorrow
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whatever we say but either way the hyper screen is now made its way into the
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also heated seat belts the heated seat belt the hood emblem is illuminated
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there's a lot of like a lot of good gimmicks for lack of a better word but
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they've taken this car in this platform so far there's really no room for
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improvement like they've they've won the race they've climbed Kilimanjaro it is
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where do you go from here they're Alex Honnold climbing up that building and
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Taiwan do you think about this a lot like you know it's funny like we've been
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talking about the death of the large luxury sedans Acura RL Jaguar XJ Audi
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AA like their Lexus LS they're all slowly yep not this one the s-class is more
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than a car though it's a brand yeah it's like a whole lifestyle at one point
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when I worked for Porsche I remember the the head of product planning told me
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BMW was known for the three series Mercedes is known for the s-class it's a
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little different now because the SUVs have come but Mercedes is still like the
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s-class and this as when all the other luxury sedans are dead this will still be
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right you know prevailing amongst them all do we like the new headlights I
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think it looks great yeah I agree I think it looks nicely updated I think it's
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attractive oddly a lot of people online sort of are mixed on the reaction but
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every single time a new car is shown for the first time people online complain
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I just thought it's every time without a pricing I agree but this is to me a
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pretty incremental difference like you have to have them right next to each
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other to tell the difference so for people to be like oh it's awful it's
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like it's barely noticeable barely noticeable but I do think there will
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probably be minor I the current s-class is one of the great cars that I have
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you know it's amazing there's an e-performance version with 850 horsepower
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1200 pound-feet of torque that's gonna be 38 grand in six years yeah I know such
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a great product range and it's such a great car and now it's got heated seat
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belts and please buy one new so that Nick can buy it 30 grand in six years the
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heated seatbelts by the way so you know heated armrests heated steering wheel
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panels normal heated seatbelts are new yep they also have a safety benefit can
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you guess what it is they keep you warm so that you do not freeze to death in
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your s-class yeah no they they keep you warm so you can remove your coat and
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outer layers and so the seatbelts ugly the the the giant heating system in the
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car doesn't have that benefit but the heated seat I'm not joking that was
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part of their PR kind of that's a kind of dumb crap that people repeat on red
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in 20 years no it also did this yeah it's like the it's like those remember
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those tail lights that that were the horizontal stacked tail lights on the
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124s and stuff they had those little cutouts supposedly to dissipate dirt
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yeah people still repeat that it is never made any sense and by the way
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Mercedes stopped doing it so if they were so good at dissipating dirt you
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think they would have kept it up well people are still like no it's there to
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dissipate dirt okay move on the next news story the accurate x being cancelled
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you don't think this is a big news story I guess a massive huge news story
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that's their only car the hottest segment what percentage of sales is the
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RDX accurate sales accurate sold last year the MDX they DX briefly the TL okay
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I'm gonna name the accuracy 30% 30% of accurate sales is the RDX and they
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are canceling in a not rich was that right yeah they're not it is also on the
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pod dock so I'm you know what a surprise no I read so the record it is not but
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it cut this part out I will not have my integrity question is the accurate you
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forgot by the way yeah 30% 30% of accurate sales last year were the RDX
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they're canceling now they're bringing it back in 28 as a hybrid but I thought
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this was interesting can you imagine Lexus or Mercedes being like we'll be
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back in two years with the s-class we'll be back in two years with the RX
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Subaru we'll be back in two years with the Outback I think that this even though
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it's a minor thing is kind of an illustration of how Honda views accurate
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and and the level of investment and interest they have in continuing this
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brand and they claim they have enough inventory to sell through the end of
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this year and then they're gonna take a little break also and then yeah I know
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and then they're gonna come out with the new one and it's like this is you don't
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have a small midsize crossover like this is it also you can just kind of slow
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down production if you have enough inventory nobody will remember though
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they're coming out and I don't know exactly which what's made in what factory
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but they're coming out with a brand new midsize electric crossover are they the
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RSX remember which will be dead in the water which we've seen during Carbic last
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year yeah well no one is gonna buy that yep and and and that theory is accurate
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accurate has been in the press hole we're canceling the RDX but we're confident
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we're gonna improve year over year in sales oh yeah but the RSX you're gonna
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sell six the ADX it was kind of I saw I saw one on the road yes I was shocked this
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you cannot get away with the RDX and the MDX are the core and the concept that
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Honda feels that it's like okay to take a two-year gap I would be livid if I was
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an Acura dealer absolutely the livid that this is happening yes you remember
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when automakers would just extend the other product line to overlap yeah the
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Nissan Malibu classic I do wonder about whether we should start an accurate
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death watch we've been critical of Honda on this podcast for being
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conservative with their vehicles yeah and they have this great core product
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thing and then they're afraid to invest outside that it's starting to get to a
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point the words becoming detrimental like they are literally leaving it used
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to be like they don't want to try too much because they might lose money now
23:23
they're literally leaving stuff on the table and if they don't think Acura is
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a viable brand this is how you signal it agreed it's insane to cancel your
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largest segment car at the third percent of your volume 30% of your volume MDX
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probably another 30 40% but it feels like killing it would be too like assertive
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a decision by I know this is not a major news story the RDX not really an
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enthusiast car but it does speak to me again about Honda's being too
23:52
conservative and again about whether the Acura brand really truly lasts I didn't
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realize Acura is only selling about 140,000 cars a year it's really not a
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compared to the Nissan and Infinity situation Honda's brand is incredibly
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strong yeah and I still think for normies Acura's brand is really strong because
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it's a deviant or variation of Honda and how does so much love for its
24:12
dependability I truly think if Honda really invested hard in Acura they
24:17
could have a price honestly I don't even think they need to work that hard at it
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no just the Honda products and badge engineer them like it's fine like I
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want an Acura pilot my wife would drive the MDX exists yeah that is the MDX
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they need more product for sure and they've had some false starts thinking
24:38
though the Integra is gonna work oh you know this and that they definitely just
24:41
need to be in more segments with SUVs and I think that they're having trouble
24:45
BMW can get away with it because they make cool cars that people want to get
24:48
if Acura making eight SUVs is probably not likely nonetheless there is
24:52
something here that is better than what is happening and it it's interesting to
24:56
me that they're not even willing to put investment in a continuing this very
24:58
popular car the RDX is a dated product I get why they don't want to sell it
25:03
anymore have you seen the interior yeah it is yeah all hundred years have you
25:06
seen an odyssey interior dude yeah there's again as well it came out the
25:10
same year but the Civic is so competitive incredibly competitive the
25:13
cord competitor now the CRV is still a competitive product are you kidding
25:17
the pilot is a brand-new product they've invested in their Coralina except for
25:22
the Acura RDX interior which still has a screen and like it's the both of those
25:26
cars have old interiors and they are not putting the investment in Acura you
25:29
again I wonder if we should be starting an Acura infinity I know I know they
25:32
initially was just an infinity death watch we're watching the clock on that
25:35
now yeah we add Acura move on to the next new story oh this is a C8 Corvette
25:41
that might be indeed like a boomer gallery that might be that might be a
25:47
Corvette Grand Sport in Admiral blue which is the color C4 Grand Sport with
25:52
the same stripes well the sport the stripe on the C4 was in the front but
25:56
okay you gotta make the look for the car apparently there's gonna be a
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Grand Sport coming for the 2027 model year okay there's some some somebody saw
26:05
it doing some testing and there's talk that will have a new LS correct there's
26:09
talk that will have a new naturally aspirated 6.7 liter LS6 is what
26:17
they're gonna bring back the LS6 I don't you know who knows yeah they're
26:22
updated LS which will be called the LSX apparently oh 409 cubic inches they
26:27
expect about 550 horsepower so between the current regular Stingray and the
26:33
era you know the the the C8 don't don't look now but the C8 has been on sale for
26:38
six years yeah General Motors who we've been a little critical of from time to
26:43
time has done an amazing job of keeping this car relevant yeah the ZR1X
26:48
there's still people clamoring knocking down my door trying to get a ZR1X
26:52
video then there's gonna come out with another version of it which by the way
26:55
Grand Sport was always kind of an end-of-the-line car so you kind of want
26:57
to see seven grass over the end to C4 but man the C8 is still feels this still
27:03
feels hot yep like still yep it truly does it still is competitive in the
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segment also yeah I'm very compelling car to this day yes like really good to
27:15
drive even six years later yep also they're getting the they have they've
27:18
retained value by Corvette standard they're getting a little more what are
27:21
they selling pull up pull up some C8's we sell some C8's lately what do we got
27:29
what are they selling we've tried to sell some C8's okay 59 for a 20 with
27:34
60 I mean that was modified that was modified here's a unmodified convertible
27:38
with low mileage 60 coops in the 50 60 honestly is holding its value pretty
27:43
damn well for a six-year-old I mean what were what were C7's doing in 20 I
27:48
mean for context this 2024 was had an 81 sticker now in the mid 50s of some
27:52
mouth that's pretty solid I'm into the C8 still I've loved it since the day it
27:56
came out you know what I'm gonna say something controversial I don't even
27:59
think it looks bad I think it looks good and soon it'll be a new engine and a
28:03
new Mahler I don't know and the Grand Sports also cool just cuz it I feel like
28:09
to some ways of appeals to the younger audience like we all played video games
28:13
with the C4 Grand Sport like I'm excited for this like it I'm not your
28:17
typical Corvette buyer and what are they what if they did a manual well that
28:21
be so cool can I say the era is an appealing you raise up yeah the market
28:25
does not market hates it no surprise it's an appealing vehicle the performance
28:29
numbers on e-ray are unbelievable and also personally I think it might be the
28:33
best-looking yeah it's just like a very simple clean look that like the Z06 is
28:37
obviously more exciting and desirable as a car but you start adding stuff that
28:42
really kind of detracts from the e-ray is nice electric motor and the Grand
28:46
Sport is supposed to be like more like a 9-11r right like the driver focus it
28:50
was or it's always been more like our team maybe like it's a stripped down
28:53
focused without kind of necessarily some of the crazy power yeah yeah yeah gts is
28:58
probably where it would land in the now it feels very expert Porsche equivalent in
29:02
terms of like they're really developing from just the 9-11 to like a full line
29:06
up of special vehicles and all of which are desirable and the Porsche or the
29:09
Corvette people are the same way as the Porsche people about options and stickers
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and are apparently willing to pay huge money and the 01 and 01X are like real
29:18
money cars also insane performance insane insane excited for this if it
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happens weeknights in my house are chaos juggling work dog walks activities
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maybe a workout if I'm lucky and then suddenly it's 6 30 and my wife is
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asking what's for dinner that's why we've been using every play it takes the
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thinking the arguing in the grocery store sticker shock completely out a
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they've got over 35 choices every week so you're not stuck rotating the same
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30:53
another another entry to the ghoul pool huh the Hyundai Santa Cruz is being
30:58
canceled this has not been confirmed yet but I'm gonna confirm it right here
31:02
right now based on the sales numbers okay can I read you what they said in a
31:07
bit and release to order one the Santa Cruz sport adventure vehicle continues
31:11
to be a valued ongoing member of the Hyundai product a value dot that sounds
31:16
like a performance improvement plan for an underperforming employee we do not
31:20
comment they also then said that this car helped them develop the new mid-sized
31:25
body on frame truck we thank you for its contributions and wish it a soft landing
31:30
wherever it may end up we'll write it a letter of recommendation yes you'll
31:35
continue to get benefits for the next one the Santa Cruz the Santa Cruz was
31:43
cool and honestly I think it was pretty desirable yeah I always knew this would
31:48
be its fate everyone who's ever tried to mess around with something that is a
31:51
non-standard pickup truck has ended up not the ridge line the original ridge
31:55
line like the Baja like this was always gonna happen the Maverick was they came
32:00
up like the exact same time and the Maverick was always a much more
32:02
practical realistic large sales number vehicle whereas this was always more of
32:07
a lifestyle car one of their pitches though about this was that the entire
32:10
front end is basically a Tucson and so it probably didn't like it probably wasn't
32:14
that difficult to develop so I meant to it also the they sold a hundred fifty
32:20
five thousand Mavericks in 2025 25,000 yeah he was never intended to be that
32:25
level the pricing was very different at 25,000 it's not that bad I if you're
32:30
Hyundai it's not worth it and they're coming out with a body on frame
32:33
mid-size ultimately the big news is that Hyundai is canceling this to make way
32:37
for much like the original Genesis Hyundai Genesis kind of made way for the
32:41
Genesis brand like there's always with the Koreans there's always seems to be
32:44
like a little toe dip into the pool before that you like cannonball it could
32:47
have gone so glad Nick didn't say that it's true though like they've done this
32:52
in a lot there's been a lot of ways that this happened right like the the big
32:56
Genesis and then there was the G9 is then it became a brand the the Hyundai
33:01
Veracruz and then they came out with the Palisade like there's all these like
33:04
we're gonna try this and see how it goes and then we're gonna try to do it
33:07
actually like big and that the next one will be the thing you know what the only
33:11
brand that I think did this well the Ford Explorer Sport Track yeah it was
33:15
kind of like a they followed up with with what well they didn't generations I
33:19
thought that car was cool it was desirable it was like compelling it was hot
33:23
at the time it was the avalanches probably exists because of it the avalanche
33:26
definitely exists because of it that that whole segment was spawned at that
33:29
time and the Sport Track started all however I would argue that eventually it
33:33
had the same fate which was like sure you can't do much with it and eventually
33:36
you just have to get the red line though so that's well but the first and the
33:39
second generation is very different from the first worst line oh wow in every
33:42
single measurable way the first one was cooler yeah they didn't sell many nope
33:47
Santa Cruz dead door handles alive no no well dead maybe China has banned the
33:53
style of door handles popularized by Tesla where they're hidden and
33:57
electronic only so basically what they've actually done is they've mandated
34:00
that starting in 2027 all vehicles must have mechanical releases inside and out
34:06
for doors oh is this is this a safety feature yes they've had a couple of
34:10
pretty high-profile crashes where the car then lost power entirely and they
34:16
couldn't open the doors like first responders couldn't open the doors at
34:19
all hazards inside can open the doors so so I'm a little confused so the model
34:23
s the door handle you walk up to the car they pop out yeah in this door handle
34:26
which is from a model why it doesn't do that but it is electronic you push part
34:29
of it I think it's non-mechanical yeah it's definitely electronic so you if
34:33
there need to be like a mechanical right you pull it further and then which is
34:36
by the way how some work on automakers have been going crazy experimenting with
34:39
all sorts of different door handle technology in part because shaving the
34:43
door handle which essentially is what this does yep it's an aerobenefit and by
34:48
having this be a thing I wonder what effect that will have on future door
34:52
handles if that truly some if we go back to normal door handles again I mean you
34:56
can still have them be mostly hidden or like have a little bit of a spot we can
34:59
grab it or some external some third or second door handle that allows for that
35:04
yeah I get it from a safety perspective there's also been some high profile
35:06
ones in the US yep yep and I wouldn't be shocked if the US falls suit in their
35:10
own way I'm gonna tell you one thing you know what car had electronic door
35:13
handles first C6 Corvette maybe the C5 with it with an interior mechanical
35:19
release in an exterior mechanical really yeah I don't actually know if they were
35:22
first as people are gonna be like no actually such and such was first but I
35:25
remember like in the C6 it was like this is a buzz like push a button to get
35:29
out like whoa it was wild there have been real issues with these and so it's not
35:34
surprising it's not great is Tesla interestingly in the front doors does
35:38
have a mechanical release in the rear doors does not have a mechanical release
35:42
and in some other cars I think the Mach-E's one of these that there is a
35:45
mechanical release but you have to remove a trim the door panel yeah which
35:48
maybe if your car's on fire isn't something we'll have to read the Chinese
35:51
regulation closely to see now the reason this is a new story for us is
35:54
because whatever China dictates on these cars is gonna end up affecting cars
35:58
that are sold in the US market too I have no doubt no automakers aren't gonna
36:01
develop multiple door handles so we're gonna see some changes one thing that I
36:04
will know people in the the north are gonna be celebrating this you know
36:06
every time these electronic oh yeah the door handles and electronic and what
36:11
happens when it freezes I mock them but actually it's a good point I will say
36:16
in China 60% of the top 100 selling models have door handles that would be
36:22
impact I'm not surprised it's be it's like the hot thing and basically every
36:26
car Rivians are like this yep Lucid's are like this you know what's not like
36:30
this is the Kia K4 hatchback good we get that over there all right next oh
36:36
Hellcat Durango Hellcat Durango lawsuit is dead I read the whole thing is great
36:41
stuff so back in 20 they come out with the Hellcat Durango which by the way I
36:45
still think is probably my favorite Hellcat car I'm obsessed it's like what
36:50
what the hell was that I remember when you reviewed it in like
36:56
amazing situation obviously I come out with the car and apparently there was
37:01
advertising that said it was gonna be limited edition in the last call model
37:05
implied that it would only be 3,000 units suddenly hinted last call so they
37:09
people bought the car paid over sticker because they thought it was gonna be a
37:12
super limited thing obviously what ended up happening is they sold more of them
37:15
which I think is crazy on its face to begin with that they sold more of them
37:18
there was a lawsuit that they could that they continued selling them like I
37:21
can't believe people bought them I can't believe they came out with them I'm
37:23
thrilled that exists so the lawsuit the owners sued Dodge saying hey wait a
37:28
minute you know you said you'd have a limited car the judge rejected that the
37:31
case was dismissed entirely because the plaintiffs failed to show that the
37:36
automaker intended to break the promise at the time the original statements were
37:40
made boy but if only I could get that to work with my children hey listen I know
37:45
I lied to you but I didn't intend when I first said it I thought it was gonna
37:51
happen it is a kind of interesting basically they didn't plan to make
37:53
another one but you have to allow the manufacturer to change their minds
37:56
but he'll come to Tim Kinniskes who's now again in charge of of of dodge said
38:02
the 2021 dodgering was a single model year run ensuring it will be a
38:06
specialist thought after performance SUV you've only got one shot to buy
38:10
so I get I get the anger I get the anger
38:15
that does sound like a used car salesman pushing it hard
38:17
oh we're gonna do give my many more model years I will say to Tim Kinniskes's credit
38:22
the 21 model year was just a single model year run but then they also did a 22 what he didn't
38:28
skip the year right yeah they I think they did what he didn't say was there was also
38:31
going to be a 22 23 24 25 and 26 but that that 20 which by the way they were also
38:36
single model year run can we be you only had one chance to buy a 24 Durango
38:41
I'm gonna come to Tim Kinniskes's defense that's crazy he thought at the time that there was no
38:46
world that that the federal administration would allow him to sell this incredibly
38:52
poor economy high-admission vehicle longer than they're sitting there he's thinking not only
38:57
to save that not only is Biden gonna kill this car but there is no way that anyone is even
39:02
gonna buy it right they're gonna they're gonna want the the dodge wagon here s or the G wagon
39:09
here the other part of the story is do you feel bad for the people that are trying to speculate
39:14
and make money off of a Durango like of course that didn't work out well for you what did you
39:19
expect I you know why third point you know what the irony is I bet eventually it will work out
39:23
like I look at some of these super high-performance limited edition I mean not what like the stock
39:27
market but you look at sort of the GMC typhoon type cars where these super limited edition which
39:32
this even though they made it for many more model years will remain a limited car I'm looking at
39:36
track hog prices we just had a Durango Hellcat sell the on the site the other day for 55 with
39:41
mods and miles yeah mods and miles yep I did not intentionally call a different site like
39:47
there's still money and I bet you that I bet you that if you truly were speculating and you
39:51
parked it and you did no miles like people did with their demons what have you done just keep
39:55
it um updating a slack as it requires hourly pull up that for no reason yeah but just I mean
40:02
that's such if you were advising someone to say I would become a car flipper here's a good asset
40:07
for you to invest in dodge Durango I mean just like it is the worst advice you could have the only
40:13
one get it get a CA get get something like a Durango don't forget about the one that you should flip
40:19
uh-huh that's right like it's not a little as stupid this was a flipper car that was and the
40:25
dude made a current because I reviewed it the second time that those great wheels sorry for
40:31
you Durango owners I totally feel your pain uh but the good news is you have a Durango Hellcat
40:36
yeah that is pretty good consolation all right next news story I can't believe we're still doing
40:41
the news Toyota has teased a three row nobody cares about it might be a minivan but it also
40:44
might be an electric highlander what we say in minivan we think that's something about the door
40:47
says minivan to me but it is it is almost certainly an electric highlander electric highlander is a
40:53
big deal or a highlander replacement generally electric highlander would be a big deal I thought
40:56
Toyota wasn't investing in electric I guess we'll find that they have to be z it might just be a
40:59
normal highlander well what is a gear lever does a gear lever show is it a hybrid or electric it
41:03
doesn't seem to have a gear lever does it right that's saying that could be the gear lever I'd
41:07
say an EV to me but a redesign sienna would be nice it's not an old product I just don't think it
41:12
looks nice yeah so I'm really supportive but it's the best one by far all right that's the story
41:16
three row Toyota come and maybe by the way I want to say before we move to the next story I can't
41:21
believe we still have more news I know incredibly we have one more uh Nissan today was at NADA which
41:26
is a large dealer thing and they showed apparently pictures of the new XTERRA okay I've been trying
41:33
to find Lee's picture as the new XTERRA so maybe we'll talk about it next week new XTERRA coming
41:38
Nissan was also talking a big game about growing 50% in sales volume they're playing on not 50%
41:43
next year but they do have pretty ambitious growth you get down to here 50% growth isn't that hard
41:48
yeah I guess that's true and and by the way new XTERRA you and me could make one in our garage
41:51
you take a frontier you paper mache a body onto it this is not difficult it's like what they did
41:57
with the Santa Cruz yep but they've been selling 25 000 a year they're the opposite they did the
42:02
opposite uh final news story Ford is doing something with the Chinese okay I want to move on to the
42:07
talk cars I'm okay with that that's fine I want to move on to the talk cars segment which is
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never stop driving okay i want to in the talk car segment the only thing i want to discuss today
44:06
me personally here's the e-55 station i get okay i'm no no don't just don't just different from
44:13
yours cut it i'm on the john john make a note cut pull up flipo pull up we never sold one that i
44:18
want it is at eight thousand dollars which is way too much if you're thinking of jumping in we have
44:22
an e-55 radically different but you're talking about the s2 i want to talk about that this is i
44:27
want it no one else bet you don't you can never sold one no i'll pull up this no no no close enough
44:32
i want this body yeah e-55 wagon with a third row left hand drive this is yeah find one in the
44:41
uk i'll consider it if you find a hong kong domestic market example we'll talk i've noted
44:48
because that one was right hand drive so the e-55 wagon on this body so the 210 body i need either
44:54
a 2000 or 2001 was only sold as an e-55 wagon overseas i want i need one with a third row and
45:01
i need to be silver uh but only a post facelift car we're finding a lot of pre-facelift cars in
45:07
third rows i only want a 2000 or a 2001 now i'm going to do this like i did with the arena 993
45:12
turn okay i'm going to start blasting it out in every pot i want a yeah send send a message
45:18
i want a 2000 2001 e-55 station wagon with a third row okay does everybody understand do you
45:26
understand i'm looking for someone i understand and you're going to get flooded with non-examples
45:31
of what you just described if you if different generation just different motors i got a pre
45:35
facelift i got a black one no 2000 2001 silver car with a third row e-55 only we're not doing
45:42
e-430s if you have one shawn at carsandbids.com s e a n at carsandbids.com do you understand
45:50
that's right i don't do you don't say anything about his bad color g wagon it's a it's we're
45:54
going to move on from that today e-55 wagon if it's in europe i don't care asia i will import it
46:01
find me the car on a related note that e-55 currently on your site the next generation i'm
46:06
very much into uh this one is high mileage 200 what high mileage is air quotes are you buying this
46:13
i'm i intend to potentially bet wait this is okay it's got it's got some dings on the car
46:19
fact these are these are reliable it does not have a third row but yet it's got service i really
46:25
like this car i drove a different one over the past weekend this one has a rent tech ecu too i know
46:29
i know and you were saying the one you drove you didn't think was fast enough well i mean
46:33
this also has like a supercharger pulley a couple things so this one and you have a b5
46:37
rs4 on the site both of them i've never bought a car on the site and i really want to fix that
46:42
this year so i'm refreshing my watch for the rs4 the rs4 is great it's owned by the um founder of
46:48
vivid racing which was like the site i'm sure they're still very uh popular but is that it's
46:54
like owned by like the type of enthusiasts you want to buy from yeah it's got a bunch of nice mods i
46:59
know who we disagree on what that means but zero three four motorsports like bushings and
47:04
like minor stuff that improves just how tight and no this i agree this is nice i would put the rear
47:09
wiper back on yep which is no i mean arrow you know oh yeah right yeah notably arrow car i think
47:16
this is the greatest outie of all time i i drove one while it was in arizona and i loved it the r8
47:20
exists the r8 is next yeah i'll take that norwegian plates this this is you loved it you the problem
47:27
with the r8 is everyone's like oh you should have got a hercon there's no equivalent for the b5
47:30
rs4 we're like oh you should have gotten a cooler wagon find me one find me one yeah there ain't one
47:35
there ain't one that drives better you enjoyed driving i loved it it was so usable and enjoyable
47:39
and pleasant yet it had like great turbo boost and it kicked and you're like yeah it's also just the
47:44
perfect size and by then they had dialed in the steering feel this is what i had wished the rs2 was
47:49
when i bought it yeah and i still think the rs2 looks better looks cooler is cooler it does not
47:55
even come close to driving as well as this car it's not even close maybe but i i think this is
48:00
also aged incredibly well inside and out it looks on the inside it has like the right amount of
48:04
nostalgia but it's still a nice place to be on the outside it's special enough that any person in
48:09
the cars recognizes that it's not just an s4 totally i i think that this is like truly i think the
48:14
best body one of the all-time great power train is amazing the steering feel is amazing i always
48:19
loved even a b5 a4 but like this was like the ultimate iteration platform and you know a point
48:23
that someone made to me the in our comments the press color for this car is silver no really sure
48:31
like think about all the all the materials the advertisements everything from back in the day
48:35
it was silver it was not the now everyone there was a everyone wants the blue and the blue is
48:39
like the out it's such a premium yeah i mean it's not like 10 percent more it's like i know
48:44
tens of thousands like four gt heritage yeah it's it's a lot to swallow so you're going to buy
48:49
either this or the 55 maybe you got i don't want maybe's nick we're doing this well it depends on
48:55
how high the bidding goes do i intend to throw my hat in the ring yes nick have you bid on either
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nick go bid you know what nick come on step up step up to the plate with a multiply going for sale
49:07
i i do suddenly feel the need to replace it with something and unlike the multiply went something
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with a little more power yeah a little bit more driving dynamics your only fun car right now is
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your slr right no i mean i think the p30 it's really fun but in a different way no no so you're
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only fun oh thank you i've been trying to push them i want the audience and i've been trying to
49:27
push them into a diablo there's a diablo for sale that is not listed that is available to nick
49:35
that i have been begging him to pursue he's not going to do it he's going to regret it a couple
49:41
years he's going to sell his slr he's going to go after diablo then it will be priced out you will
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not be able to afford anymore and i will rub this in your face that you could have had it can we know
49:49
that a diablo and a 205 000 mile e-55 are a different price back this price this is not important
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to dug yeah but diablo's are going up in value 30x difference diablo's are going up in value like
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my 4gt right i have made 150 grand in that car you're never gonna make 150 grand on an e-55 wagon
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but if you have a 2000 or a 2001 model silverwood third row send a man i'm so
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serious about this i will buy it today sean at carsandbins.com sean the irish spelling do you
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understand oh yeah the more common selling i don't know uh okay there's that um nick what else you
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got for us you got i came back from arizona car week you did that was really fun yeah as someone
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who lives in an online auction world seeing the in person is a really interesting event well for
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what much worse of course they're just they're just different like it's not like online and offline
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versions of the same thing like it's just totally the way first of all it's really fast right like
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you've got seconds to make decisions like i wish you had a minute between each bid to like think
50:54
about it the the energy of the room but then also like it's like the la auto show like there's an
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exhibitor hall you could buy hot tubs cigars get tattoos you could buy all that i have a friend
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two friends that bought hot tubs there oddly enough and i think it was like that we didn't win the car
51:10
but like i've been thinking of a hot tub anyways like it's like this vegas level of just like all
51:15
your logic goes out the window and you're just like i'm buying something yeah uh i agree i totally
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agree i love our site and i think there's actually benefits for both buyer and seller on our on a
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platform such as ours however there is something fun about the electric feel of being in the room
51:32
at a physical auction sometimes that leads to interesting results that people later regret
51:38
yeah buyers and sellers to be honest i think having the real time to like really think
51:42
through the car is is can be significantly beneficial but it's fun yeah it's more fun and i
51:47
didn't see spectacle there was uh without naming names a handful of cars that i saw that were bought
51:53
on either cars and bids or bring the trailer sold at bear jackson for less than they pay you know
51:58
what i mean like it can go either direction it's not that one is better or worse necessarily it
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depends on the car but the experience of going to one was really certainly interesting to check out
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even even if you're a huge fan of our platform even if you work for our platform even if you like
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the bring the trailer it's worth spending time going to a online the other thing that i'll get on
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your soapbox is a non cars and bids employee that i can say that you all maybe can't people
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complain about buyer's fees on cars and bids or bring the trailer it was five hundred dollars to
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register just to register to bid for the privilege of there then i had to show proof of funds
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including like or take out a loan in order to be approved a bid up to a certain amount like you
52:38
make crazy nicks show proof of funds you're gonna run into some sketchy stuff can i all right here's
52:43
one bank account and i hear here's another bank account and if you add those two together and
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then think about how much credit line i have in this bank account yeah the also um there's a buyer
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fee and a seller fee both of which are 10 to 12 percent depending on that so like the four to
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five or the sorry five percent is it five percent i should know this cap is a bargain so like yeah
53:05
complain all you want this isn't something that the online auction houses made up in fact they
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do it way cheaper yeah so much it's insane huge it does factor in like for me when i was thinking
53:15
all those i'm like okay immediately add at least 10 percent huge benefit to buyer and seller honestly
53:19
buyer obviously pays less but seller gets more for the car on these platforms sometimes you will see
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results on the physical at the physical auctions like oh this sold for way more than you saw it
53:29
at bring the trailer cars and bids well start let's start playing with the numbers right because
53:32
there's a 10 percent buyer's fee there's a 10 percent seller's fee those are factored in right
53:36
how much how much more would the buyer have paid if there were no fees well you'll never know because
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those guys make sure to get theirs yeah whereas we democratize the platform we're basically running
53:45
a charity a non-profit organization also um you know the table in the back of the room less
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likely to bid on cars yeah yeah that's another thing that happens at the at the physical auctions
53:59
obviously not accusing anybody in particular the lampshade in the back places more bids than anybody
54:05
the auctioneer also won't ding the rearview mirror as they're pulling off the stage so an
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f50 got purchased at one of the auctions not during car with the person driving it out who are just
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like random people from the local civic society at something like that uh hit it on on on a wall
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smash like Doug did i would want so much for me i would want like an unbelievable amount of arbitration
54:29
at that at that point especially because it's all over instagram okay uh i want to move on now
54:34
to oh you want to talk about something the abarth in the multiple do we want to talk about how
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they're for sale desperate for people to buy them yeah pretty much i can sell my own car i by the way
54:43
i want to be really clear i've added a comment in this in my auction where i describe every single
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thing that i can think of this wrong with the car like quite at length wait wait go go down i want
54:53
to see all five of them comment all five of the things all right i have done the bare minimum
54:59
oh wow he's bragging about his firehawks i yeah i've done the bare minimum to maintain this car
55:05
i want to make that really clear one time one of the lights stop working and i let it sit for a
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year till ken and borrowed it and then he put a new fuse in that's the level we're talking about man
55:13
this is this is a great it's fun it's toss space able wow that's embarrassing that is embarrassing
55:19
but in regardless so there's some smoke coming this car i haven't seen that happen there are no known
55:23
issues the car has smoke coming out of the tip under acceleration there is an oil leak in the
55:29
drive no maybe this little flaps around in the way sounds like something i would have ghost written
55:33
for him did you get tim caniscus to write this about the 21th this is your one chance to buy this
55:41
perfect car except for the oil leak the the other important thing here the oil leak i have not seen
55:45
happen i want to be clear what do you mean you have not seen there was a shop note from the first
55:49
time i got an oil change saying that there's evidence of a leak in like the oil and the tray
55:53
or whatever i have not i've parked that car in my driveway for three years i've not seen any oil
55:59
on the ground the oil level has never changed etc similar to change the oil the oil the oil
56:05
the smoke coming out of the tailpipe was weird i have i had i don't want to get into another friend
56:11
you tell me this is happening but then we filmed the whole video where we drag race flipo i'm gonna
56:16
be honest with you nothing happened i don't want to get into the specifics in the car it is already
56:19
vastly higher than it deserves to be mr magoo sees nothing wrong with the car we're good at 5100
56:26
bucks someone is doing you a favor today on this car holy agree uh okay we gotta move on to the
56:32
market report which is sponsored by the nick youtube channel the nick youtube channel can we
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actually i want it to be sponsored by nana nick on cars and bids please go follow my seller profile
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56:47
under the leaderboard when i would really like to you don't have to unfollow felipo no one's asking
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you to do that but if you could please just follow me in addition to or instead of felipo
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that would help i shouldn't try to type when there's an enhanced okay so go to the followers count
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on the far right i've been stuck at number five for a while okay 606 for 632 folks folks if you're
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watching this yeah unfollow felipa don't and follow nick don't i i think give ed bullion a follow to
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sure let's just let's manipulate these a little from the cars and bids account ed bullion's now
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followed okay he sold a lot of cars with us i want to talk about uh the uh couple things i want to
57:28
talk about the r129 the r2 30 can we just do that really sure parking benzes it hit me the other day
57:33
we sold the nice r129 the other day and it hit me that that car will never rise in value ever
57:38
yep there's so many of them it's simply this car it simply will never rise in value ever this was a
57:43
late model in a cool color it sold for 11 yeah that seems like the right price because this car
57:48
will never rise in value and same with the r2 30 i walked by an r2 30 on the street the other day
57:53
and there's people like you walk by people like oh that's that's a good looking car well it's also
57:58
an eight thousand dollar car wow that's an sl 55 that sold for 14 that's a regular sl 550 that sold
58:05
for 11 45 000 miles neither of these cars will ever be worth anything in the history of time
58:13
but they're pretty good yeah like if you want a cool kind of show it off type of car a second home
58:19
car like it's perfect or something like that they're also pretty reliable generally yeah the the 129
58:25
is a little bit more reliable uh but they're both pretty stout cars yep buy one they generally you
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will not make any money you will only lose money but it's a pretty good value i think i don't think
58:36
you'll lose money you'll spend money you're gonna spend money maintaining it and you won't sell it
58:39
for anything so no but you won't sell it for that much less no i mean the floor is 10 the cars are
58:44
selling for eight so like you you can only lose so much on these things i really think those cars
58:50
are pretty cool for for the number i feel like everyone i know has gone hit with some kind of
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00:19
cool car early w rex's are so cheap and i think it's crazy go back to it let's talk about this for
00:25
a second they're so cheap even though they are cool as hell yep this car started the whole thing
00:31
yep what's the last japanese car you've owned i have a sequoia right now i mean like an enthusiast
00:37
car uh he has a sequoia trd yeah so the cargo doesn't count this doesn't count it
00:42
sequoia trd pro so japanese uh i had a 2013 land cruiser only i sold it two years ago
00:51
does that count i would i guess well i mean sure this okay i was thinking like a sporty vehicle
00:57
i don't i had a skyline gtr back in 2015 yeah that was but since then i've had a lot of different
01:03
japanese cars i think it's time in a korean car and i bet that you don't distinguish
01:12
maybe true but definitely rude i think those subarus this is going to sell for more because
01:19
it's a late production car it's a type r a yeah would you just click on the no i want to see what
01:23
else we have go back go back i something casual browsing in the middle of the pod i think this
01:28
is such a cool car it's it's the mileage is unknown but it seems pretty um it pretty low
01:33
wear it's not crazy modified only a few little things i would take off the mudflaps day one
01:37
but these are cool cars early w r x's are cool cars in general and i don't understand why these
01:43
don't bring more money this car started the whole thing the whole thing agreed should take bring
01:49
way more money you want one no why not they do wagons have you ever seen the badging
01:56
this is giant thing that's stock that's all completely wow but it says w r x two different
02:01
places that is not all right that was that it that is how it was wow nick don't you want this car
02:06
why don't you get this they did a wagon i did it it's a small wagon it's not notable i i do i
02:12
know i'm in i'm into these in particular you've never had japanese cars ever have you have you
02:17
tsx for a minute a tip tsx like 15 years yeah for two months it's a good engine though
02:24
what else that's it you've never had japan i'm telling you gotta get a z32 you got a z32
02:28
i would like to spend some time in that later it's so good or a nice nsx uh i still want to
02:35
pijero uboe okay we have to move on to the questions because we're coming up at the end
02:38
of this thing and we have to move on to the question oh my gosh i thought we were making
02:41
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can take the rest yeah that's that's right you nailed it cars and bids it is the best place to
02:55
buy a multiply online in america is 160 and i think it's got a little bit to go this is a
03:01
we've been selling nsx's for money you saw the gray one pull up nsx's that we've sold we'll go to
03:07
questions in a second the last four nsx's but there was one automatic earlier early car but then
03:12
ours would 300 miles oh including ferris going back ferris wow that at 200 miles for 167 uh
03:19
this is what 60 000 miles for 121 you know what was the deal car honestly was this because the blue
03:24
is really rare and really beautiful and really sought after and that car had some miles so you
03:28
could actually use it yeah and it didn't go for such crazy money i mean the one that's live now is
03:32
gonna go for ridiculous money but it's super low miles do you think on oe wheels is what
03:36
done better yeah i do think it would have done better on oe wheels and i think that that's
03:39
something that someone ought to do to it this is going to do so well by the way we have a new
03:43
nsx on the site too which i also think is a relationship which at this point cheaper uh
03:48
yeah same price point cheaper yeah na2's have a clip god i love this car nc1 this car is so good
03:54
to drive you ever driven one of these no and i didn't get a chance to drive ours you didn't
03:57
drive ours no because once if we started getting ready for oxygen we felt that we don't you have
04:02
you ever driven any nsx no oh you're missing out i mean i moved it from right there right there
04:05
does that count it's really nice you know what else is nice though in this era fdrx7 that is a
04:11
really good and z32 and then mark four that's how i would rank them by the way if i had to rank
04:17
our seven above the z32 yeah oh fdrx7 is one of the great driving cars in automotive history
04:23
it's just also one of the most painful cars to own fdrx7 i might prefer the driving experience
04:28
compared to the nsx wow it's it weighs 2000 pounds it's like a miata but like factory built
04:33
more legit like it's like a more legit miata the rotary powertrain is amazing it is super light
04:39
it handles incredibly well it's just impossible for anybody to know the z32 eclipsing the mark four
04:44
is interesting from the drivers driving perspective only that's the perspective that some of us care
04:52
about well driving it through yeah there's more to it than that oh come on there's style there's
04:57
there's design there's practicality there's reliability there's there's technology there's
05:01
all this stuff yeah you think style is equivalent no reliability the super looks better the super
05:06
is more reliable the the 2jz is not only more reliable but more tunable that three liters not
05:11
bad yeah okay fine the questions are brought to you by nick and his electric charger shirt
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nick you want to tell us straight i was told this was a gas one i asked specifically i think what
05:24
she said was which do you want to be and then she just agreed with whatever i said next but yes
05:30
this is a gas powered one oh man i hope you want a couple i if you say that shirt in 20 years people
05:35
be like i can't believe there was ever a shirt for this car that's a good point this terrible car
05:40
that we all want to forget a Mustang hat like they had lots of good swag by the way the matter
05:45
they just invited me by the way to the press launch for it um i'm not going to go because it is in
05:51
vermont what you hamptons right there it's much more of a new hamster car for sure anyway it's in
06:00
vermont i'm not gone but you should go noted uh or you you ever want to go to a press launch in
06:04
vermont i think i'm busy that day it's good they're going to do it in the snow oh in the snow they're
06:10
out some sort of snow thing for the 550 for the four door ones the 550 horsepower and the 420
06:15
horsepower dodge invite me i'll be there that looks like it's going to be a lot of fun unfortunately
06:19
it's nine planes to get to burlington so i won't be going uh okay questions first question comes from
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06:52
371 questions i went through literally all of them and they were not as good as previous uh weeks
06:57
nonetheless there are i found nine or so good ones all right from final funky pants who handled a
07:03
nostalgic nameplace worse gm with the blazer or honda with the prelude i'm going to answer this
07:08
and i'll take then you guys can the honda prelude is one of the most the worst abominations in the
07:13
history of the automobile it's it was absolutely horribly redone this ridiculous car uh underpowered
07:21
overpriced not going to sell the answer is the blazer they're not about it if we can only pick
07:27
between those two but what else would be a you give me the fourth thunderbird no but the boomer
07:34
the boomer thunderbird and to pull up those port holes the boomer thunderbird i mean
07:38
that's what the boomers wanted dude i posted my video review kind of knocking it and the
07:42
comments were like you don't understand this car they gave people what they wanted did they
07:47
is that what we wanted like 200 horsepower v8 it was 300 and that's what the boomers who bought
07:52
the car water were you going to spend 56 on a two-door lincoln base okay there's a lot of
07:58
examples i mean it's not just that like hit us with some more i think those are probably the two
08:02
words look at these windows the port hole windows that is a clean car this was a complete commercial
08:07
failure they could not give them away 10 grand on the secondary market they're not really valuable
08:12
you know i actually i actually enjoyed driving it it's a pretty comfortable like you know kind of
08:17
cruiser type car which i think is what it's it's honestly aged well where now it looks like
08:22
like a concept car that escaped the museum till you look at the inside of the interior has some
08:27
bright spots yeah in the dark um but what is worse play i think blazer is the worst of all time for
08:39
sure the prelude at by the end of the run in 2002 with a dated product too like the nameplay had
08:44
kind of lost people don't talk about the fact that that fifth gen prelude had was not really
08:49
particularly beloved even then now over the years we look back with rose colored glasses and has
08:53
become beloved but like i was there and i remember people complaining even then that it was front
08:58
wheel drive and underpowered yeah because it was now these days i think it's a pretty cool car it
09:03
in that one it is incredible this the jdm wasn't good uh soft it's incredibly cool but i think the
09:07
nameplate didn't have that much value at a certain point the blazer nameplate though especially when
09:12
ronko and wrangler and forerunner are here selling hundreds of thousands of units a year
09:18
and gm looked at that and they're like let's do a unibody crossover that only sells to rental
09:23
fleets it is one of the most laughable mismanagements in the entire history of laughable mismanage
09:29
this was the direct predecessor yeah but that that happens like like the fourth gen camaro
09:34
wasn't amazing and then the fifth gen came out and it was incredible like that happens nameplate's
09:39
the mustang in o4 the new edge had kind of we were kind of wondering if the mustang was gonna
09:43
die completely and then o5 shows up one of the great redesigns in car history like they could
09:48
have done that with the blazer too also this one looks kind of cool oh yeah the z art this the
09:51
zero two is a lot cooler than any of the trash they're making now i give the blazer some benefit
09:57
of the doubt that i just think that they do you know what we're gonna build that car anyways and
10:00
then they just slap the wrong name on it like that's what they screwed up is that the blazer
10:05
should have been an off-road car they could have still made what is the blazer and just
10:08
named it like some forgettable midsize suv whatever yeah like it's just the nameplate gm is so
10:15
afraid of making off-road cars they're like honda except except the problem is their core products
10:18
also are bad but like the trail boss like they won't they won't just go and make a raptor or
10:26
make a raptor r or whatever like that or this the blazer like the market is so clearly demanding
10:32
these vehicles and they won't go do it yeah is i also find it weird that zr one is a corvette and
10:39
zr two zr five here's a very interesting trivia do you remember what zr five was no zr five was a
10:51
was a slightly off-road trim level of the last generation chevy s10 with four doors type in
10:58
bet we've sold one i bet we've sold one type in zr five and see if it pops up
11:04
nope oh i want to shame i saw one on the road the other day nope type in s10 zr five you remember
11:09
the s-dime dude yeah oh yeah that was it uh it looked nice they did you ever cool that yeah the zr
11:16
five yep you're thinking where's the zr three and zr four no i think any such thing what was the
11:22
the zx five was the focus five door and zx three yeah uh okay you got you don't have a nostalgic
11:28
nameplate worse handled than blazer you're over here talking but i don't hear you with one i'd have
11:32
to do a little more deep research but the 500 was handled beautifully the fiat 500 yeah i'm not saying
11:38
that as the owner of one i'm like truly that was like a successful rebrand the bronco really
11:43
successful yeah a lot of a lot of times they've done it well not that one not the blazer the
11:48
challenger pretty good i don't think relative to the blazer i don't even pose that bad uh okay next
11:53
question from t barrett if you had all the money in the world which automaker would you pay to do
11:57
a special one-off car and what car would it be lemo oh lamborghini lmo to finally make me one i
12:05
want a limited production i want it with a v12 like like kind of like that with that veiron which
12:10
i think is the obvious answer here give me a lemo lmo to revival that wouldn't break down every 20
12:15
miles lmo would you accept an oris with the like a santa cruz oris uh if done extremely well they
12:23
could reuse some oris parts sure i wouldn't i wouldn't prefer not like let's go off-roading we got all
12:28
the money in the world all of it we want a lemo yeah and i wanted to look like the original
12:34
lemo just modernized like just yeah modernized tweak a little here give me like a decent interior
12:38
yeah and powertrain stick three-pet oh you're not a three-pet no but hey hey hey
12:45
you got any on off-road vehicles generally speaking automatics are preferable
12:50
and on your sports cars so anyway uh the only the only manual you have is a diesel
12:55
and it's first hatchback that's and you're getting rid of it because you want out yep he doesn't
12:59
know how to drive it for me and probably lmo to be behind the list i would definitely want a
13:02
modernized f40 i think be really cool yeah uh with a manual the louis at the end ever end up
13:07
there was talk about that but then he raced poorly i guess i didn't really know he's dating kim
13:11
kardash you know like there's nuts not happening yeah so he's a busy man got nothing you got nothing
13:16
nothing great how my brain works so some kind of a car that should be a manual that isn't a manual
13:22
make that manual wagon make that a manual wagon oh yeah shooting brake recommissions a c8 e-ray
13:28
manual wagon yeah i mean a long roof version of the c8 would be really cool or a caiman i
13:35
remember when they offered that when they were going to offer that like yeah cut make your own
13:39
program i had like talked about that nobody did anything um those are all possibilities
13:44
the lmoo is a good one lmoo is a good one the veyron from last week's pot is kind of the
13:49
i don't know i think that's probably the correct answer to the question can i propose a better
13:53
little thing to you it's you know uh no you can't uh okay next question uh you wasted your genie wish
14:02
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guys dear dog what do you think you'd be doing professionally if youtube didn't pan out uh would
14:13
you've gone back in the industry would you know something else what do you think i would be doing
14:17
if youtube hadn't a panned out i think you would have been that guy that goes in jeopardy and
14:23
wins a couple times in a row yeah just a couple yeah that's not really a career though i think the
14:27
question is more like well you would have had like kind of like a mid manager role or something
14:31
but never been able to go past mid manager because of your people skills like you would have told off
14:37
your boss and like kind of just got stuck at some level but you would have then gone on jeopardy
14:42
and everyone's like wow that guy's really smart and then that's a fair and then we never would
14:45
hear from you again okay i mean that jeopardy you win a few times you win maybe 40 grand pre-tax
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you would have gone big in like the early 2000s on jeopardy when that was like something the early
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2000s nick i i i you got about a house i turned 12 in 2000 you got about a house okay flipo what's
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the answer i think for a while you have gone back into that like into like vehicle allocation
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management i would have gone back in the first actuary i think you would have been really bored
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there and also you're too intelligent and driven to stay in the thing like that oh my god he's
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saying people don't stay in the car industry if they're smart no no you're gonna say that about
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tim canis because i promise i don't know i don't know the answer to that i do think jeopardy
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champion it was a real pathway that you should have considered and honestly you should should
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probably about the same odds it's making it big in youtube no it's definitely definitely higher odds
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of being jeopardy champion of which there have been thousands but meanwhile on youtube only me
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and hoovy have ever made it big am i right you guys are crushing i saw hoovy no four times at
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barrett jackson each time he had bought another cart from the previous time
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oh man dude was killing it i'll tell you this though it's february you know what that means
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he's got a sell ball by april 15th tax time here in the united states april 15 who you gotta
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assume surely he passed a pay quarterly well but he doesn't that's one of his things you got to
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assume that i'm gonna get a text from hoovy here in the next few weeks saying he's got to sell some
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panic sell some stuff on cars movie just texas now i've done my part i've done my part that might
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mean that he gets to come back on this podcast because usually we pay him some honorarium and he
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comes to do a pod with us i i tried to buy him out of the i guess i shouldn't out what car he got
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but he got a car barrett jackson that i was trying to buy him out of but it was unsuccessful what
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it just buy it at barrett jackson you nincompoop uh oh i'm sorry people skills it's the people
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yes yes that's why you're gonna be a middle manager forever yeah right uh okay next question uh
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this is another one about me that you guys can answer from ram tin underscore hey dug yeah you've
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mentioned you prefer reviewing cars locally due to family and logistics yeah i do prefer it most
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people prefer convenience over inconvenience yes flipos laughing because it's not it's not
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it's an only yeah if you received an offer to have any car in the world and could actually
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drive it what is one holy grail car that make you drop everything and fly anywhere flipo go
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ahead and answer the question i think you know the answer the answer is going to be nothing
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that's wrong that's not that's not the real answer he was offered to design columbus when he was in
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italy and he turned it down offered to me i was two hours away with my family i said no i think if
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somebody says here's all of these cars and this history you think that's a sultan i think of the
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sultan yeah that's true i will say you'd go sultan would work if the logistics all worked out and
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the sultan thing worked out and i could get a full week in brunette and pickin shoes i could come home
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you know after six days with 12 13 videos shot yeah you do it and we would finally have an insight
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into what some of those cars are like which of brunette seasons would you go in i don't do well
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in the heat yeah which is the problem because there's only ever heat i assume i would shoot the
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whole thing indoors but i also assume they don't have air conditioning what about japan for the
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aspar cal it's made in italy okay are you sure nobody knows no one yes they claim it is okay two
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more questions and then i have to leave uh what yeah next question for aspects a good looking car
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63 splitty at what number this is for you i think at what number does the 570 s become a goodbye
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105 we sold one the other day right for 105 today we sold one did it go did it end today what did it
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sell for i'm into that one they're there i think oh under 100 for 570 s is there 89 it sold for with
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61 000 miles and that was a cool spec this one yeah 61 000 miles yeah and also was titled in cancels
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it's got a that's a that's a tennessee sorry i'm messing with it's in chula vista it's in
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san diego but they're they're titled in tennessee and i in cancels or tennessee i don't think that
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really matters that much who told me the stories uh we sold we aren't one failed to sell between
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what's the number which you buy one of these i mean i you're an automatic transmission guy
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where would you where would you hop in i think 89 is a quite compelling number it is quite
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compelling i would hop in there if i were in the market for another automatic sports car this is
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like a 564 that's why you're not calling on the diablo it's three pedals and you're done yeah that
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must be it he doesn't know how to drive manual i'll swap it to an auto um okay it's a real car
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last question from that million mile volvo which dead car manufacturer do you miss the most and why
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is it sob i it's not sob for me i'll tell you a minus but you go ahead first please go first here's
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a sob of course well please go first but you know sob didn't die when it stopped production sob died
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in about 1998 when gm took majority ownership there is a damn this is like a hipster sob sob
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died first when gm showed up and it died second when it actually died uh by the way the actual
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answer was became a solo a wholly owned subsidiary in 2000 2000 i remember the day it was a big deal
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nick what's your what's your favorite dead car brand it's not my actual is that my yeah of course
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what do you mean yeah the key went in the center i know so they had a z4 so i did there's a channel
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where somebody uh did a bunch of work with sob i did a whole 15 minute bit about why sob was special
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for this kids youtube channel it's great what do you got i'm gonna guess that you're gonna say
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Saturn no i absolutely miss it although it is a shape same with scion neither or a ship
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nick what's yours come on um i think delorean got a bad shake are you say auto bianchi that i was
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tempted to say packard initially oh my god that's actually not a bad one but um delorean is embarrassing
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i think also mercury i miss the mountaineer what merkin legend the mountaineer the legend was an
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accurate like there's still a strong part of me that wants to buy fords and rebadge them as mercury
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she's just because why not all right change the grills to be the correct answer is paniak you miss
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the g6 yeah dude there was a g6 gxp that had a massive powertrain and massive front end that looked
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like if you pull up the g6 gxp it looked like the new m3 pull it up it looked like people are like
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oh the m3 paniak had it first paniak had everything first and i'll tell you this
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oh you haven't sold a lot of you i'll show you the one you sold they did a hard top convertible
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that's not it by the way that's not the gxp i want to make it clear that but they did do a hard top
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convertible like the sl by the way um but also they were gm's performance brand you're the first
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person since their own marketing team to compare it to the sl there was a blown you know what the
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crazy thing about this car was there was also a soft top convertible there was a blown v6 that
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they did a lot of cars with there was a v8 that went into the grand prix do you remember the
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grand prix yes it's p gtp well yeah there was that but that was the supercharge one look at that
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look then they did a great gxp which had a v8 that was serious that was a north star yes this
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look at that grill you think the m3 nostrils or something this is a beaver god that was tough
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that is that's a lot it was ugly although i will say when i was in detroit just film the
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celestic guess what was parked in the gm campus no someone had one of these live in the dream
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i miss paniek it was the excitement brand the solstice gxp the grand prix gtp super six and
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the gxp v8 the g8 the grand prix was special which was a crazy cool car brought from australia
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rear wheel drive manual everybody's like oh Chevy ss paniek g8 all of the cars were cool
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except the torrent at the very end oh yeah and the g3 in canada and the vibe the g3 wave
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g3 wave i think it was called technically the g3 wave can't go down this road um anyway i also
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want to revise the the revived nameplate one ford lightning gen 2 lightning overnight parts from
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japan to an eevee pickup eevee pickup was faster and better in every way i think that was a mistake
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look the point is paniek we miss you dearly i do for some reason gm kept buick which i think
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has no redeeming qualities but paniek had real performance there was there was love there
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and instead they took it away from us right when a new firebird was about to come out
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although it would have been nice thank you that's your answer and that's your podcast
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for this week the finest we've ever done nick do you have any parting thoughts or anything
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you want to shout out yes follow me on cars and bid seller profile maybe keep following
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felippo or not that's up to you well i like that you're not trying to get people to watch
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yes youtube content or anything else that we only think it matters to him the leader cars and bids
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leader board which is important that i have this vanity metric that's all that provides me no utility
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in the real world but i would like it reputation scores important number of cars sold car value
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sold i will never win no no wow cars one you clearly will never win that's 77 that's impressive
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it's real legit okay uh that's nick flippo you gotta need to plug your yeah go to cars and our app
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is great i'm told our app is great truly if you have an iphone download the app you'll love it
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the app's great the podcast is great everything we do is great goodbye everyone thank you for
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watching the cars and bids podcast or maybe it's the dug demure i don't know this car there you
