RTR Spec 5 Review; Way-mo Problems; Odometer Rollbacks

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I went down to a car show in San Diego with the RTR Spec 5 Mustang, took a few Waymos in the rain

and read a children's book. It's the Smoking Tire podcast. Let's go.

How are you all looking at me? How are you feeling?

Same. This is today, this Sunday. So this is literally week three. I flew home from Texas

and felt like crap on this day three weeks ago. I would say I'm, it's better. I would say better.

I haven't taken, since the day you told me to stop taking Musen X, which was what, Thursday?

Yeah. And it's Sunday. Definitely coughing still. But like, I don't know, maybe a little less.

Wow, there's like, that's biker fucking 12 o'clock boys going by outside. That's more,

that's a bigger group of motorcycles than I think I've ever heard go by the studio. Yeah, we don't,

they don't, the big groups that ride around Venice and Santa Monica, they don't come through here,

which is a bummer. They're probably on their way there. I like the wheelie group. I'm here for it.

Yeah. They normally, they roll up Slauson, not Centinella, but that's true. Hi everybody.

Yes. Well, this, this will be going out before New Year's. So I hope you had a good Christmas.

Did you have a good Christmas? Did you do a thing for Christmas? We tried to do a thing.

What happened? Well, we wanted to go like rent a cabin up in the mountains for the snow.

Yeah. And it's such a warm winter. It didn't snow. Strangely. It snowed on Mount Baldy.

It snowed at 8,000 feet. Yeah. So we couldn't find a cabin to rent at 8,000 feet. That's like,

Are there any cabins to rent at 8,000 feet? I think in Mammoth Lakes you can,

but they're all going to be super booked because everyone wants to go skiing.

Yeah. They got nothing like Idol Wilder. That's like five, right?

It is. I had, I found a great map. I got a map that does topography and elevation using Google

Calendar. We were doing homework. We were really trying. Using Google Maps. You said Google Calendar.

Oh, you're right. Sorry. You're right. It's, it's like topography laid over Google Maps.

What do you think topography and Google Calendar would look like? Just wondering.

The highs and lows of the week, I guess. You know, the valley would be Wednesday.

The topographical map of your mood, you know, it would tie into your like whoop strap or something.

Actually, I guess it would be starting on Monday, it's a climb. Yeah. And then on Friday,

it's a cliff that falls into a nice pool. And then you just chill. Yeah.

And then you go back up the mountain for a Sisyphusian.

All right. So you'd have to go to Mammoth Lakes or like Tahoe or something to get.

Even Tahoe got snow, but when we were looking for houses that week, it was saying that Tahoe was

going to be like 35 degrees at night. It cooled off for them, luckily, and they got pretty hammered.

Good. Mammoth got so much snow, they closed the mountain yesterday.

Wow. There was an avalanche. There was an avalanche. Yeah. Was it at Mammoth? I think it was at Mammoth.

I think so. It was at a couple and like two ski patrol guys died, I think. Yeah, it's bad. Yeah.

They got, it was just, I mean, I saw a video of the flakes falling in Mammoth. Yeah. It looked

like what you usually see in Utah. Huge, huge snow flakes. I have never seen more snow in my life

than Mammoth after a big snowstorm. I went up there with with Steinman once after like a

fucking dump dump and I shit you not. We almost couldn't find the house. You couldn't see the

house. There was nothing. Everything was buried. You couldn't see, you know, they were, they had to

like cut tunnels into like the gas stations and stuff. Like you just, you're just driving through

a fucking 20 foot deep wall of snow. It was the wildest shit I've ever seen. That's cool. I mean,

it's cool if you get there once they've cut all the trails. Yeah, I was crazy. Oh yeah, two injured

in an avalanche at Mammoth yesterday. Oh good, they didn't die. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I think they

got a couple of feet per day. So anyway, we looked around for like how far we were willing to drive

and it was just going to be cold and rainy, which is like the worst. Yeah, it might as well be here.

It'll be mild and rainy. Exactly. It was a delightful rain in Los Angeles. I didn't do,

I say I didn't do shit, but what I mean is I didn't do shit for work. I did a lot of unexpected

entertaining. Yeah, you did. I cooked a brunch and a dinner for like 10 people each at my house,

fucking like two nights in a row. And yeah, it was a lot. I did a lot of home economics.

You did. I haven't heard that term in such a long time. Yeah, it wasn't really economics,

it was just cooking. Yeah. Cooking and spending is what it was. Yeah, you're feeding the town.

Yeah. And now my nephew Cole is here. So fortunately, he's, you know, 17 and into

photography and cars. So this is like a pretty easy one for me. Yeah. Fairly light lift.

But I'm playing, you know, tour guide uncle. So I took him to Rancho Santa Fe cars and coffee

yesterday, which is a great cars and coffee down in like north of San Diego. I posted zero pictures.

Okay. I posted zero pictures. A lot of people posted pictures and took pictures of the RTR

spec five Mustang that I drove down there, which I did send you a picture of a car

that I took on a different day. But but it is a pretty cool looking car. It's basically,

it's it's RTR now has a partnership with Ford, where it is an aftermarket company,

but it can be that you can buy them at some Ford dealers, sort of like a Roush or a Saline

would be, which is a pretty cool gig. I mean, we love JR and Vong Yen, Jr., whose company this is,

and like very proud of him. And they have the spec three, which is a sort of the the the the

tuner Mustang you'd expect. Yeah, full suspension, cool wheels, front rear fascia, some graphics,

and a big ass supercharger. Like that's the tuner Mustang you expect and Zach did a video with it.

Correct. So full, full disclosure. They store these marketing vehicles at Westside. So I

I don't they they didn't I didn't even tell them I was going to be talking about this car. I asked

if I could borrow it to go to cars and coffee, and I didn't say so. So I'm going to say whatever I

want to say about this car. But I benefit financially from this car's presence directly. They pay me

to store the cars here and and and my guys to deliver them to other people. So if that if you

think that if you think that means I won't criticize the car, you don't know me very well, but there

is your disclaimer. Someone I was talking about that, you know, can you be objective to someone

else? And I was talking to another journalist, they're like, Farah, I have seen you take their

flight, take their hotel, take their wine, and then tell them their car sucks directly to their

face. Like I've seen that before. Don't tell me the flight is but it's going to bias you anyway.

These guys pay me every month to park the cars here. So the spec three, Zach drove, you should go

watch that video. The spec five is a little crazier because it is a full like wide body car.

It also has huge brakes. It also has a giant supercharger. It makes even more horsepower.

This one's like 850 horsepower. And it's kind of like a GTD light. That's sort of what they're

going for, you know, the wide body in the different geometries. Now, it doesn't have

inboard suspension. It's this is not a multi-matic product. But it's kind of like halfway to a GTD

in terms of it sort of has a GTD look. It has a similar power figure and similar power delivery,

but it's a stick and you keep your back seat and you keep your trunk. So like, you know,

and what is the exact price? Does it have a price on the website?

I want to say it's like 160 grand. Yeah, I think it's 160 grand. Yeah, okay. So and then from there,

you can get them painted like crazy colors. Like this one that I'm actually, this one is 002,

it's silver. But the Bronco, the RTR Bronco that we have that Gluckers driving this week

is Mysticrome. And if I was going to get an RTR car, I would spend the money to paint it Mysticrome.

It looks so fucking cool. It's very, very cool in person. And I would, if I was going to spend 160

grand on this Mustang, I would 1000% have them painted fucking Mysticrome because the Bronco

looks extremely awesome. Yeah, that's it. That's cool. Yeah. The Bronco looks super cool. And

that's the one. And it rides really, really nice on the road. I delivered it to Glucker myself,

which is a funny thing for me to be doing, but I did it. And it rides really nice. But those

racks and stuff they put on it, which I'm sure are very useful when you're going camping,

man, their motherfuckers whistle at 70 miles an hour. Oh boy, do they whistle. Wow. All that stuff

does. That car does not need to be louder on the highway either. Yeah, because the roof is already

like just like, you know, legoed together basically. It's whistly. I think, but you know,

RTR didn't make the roof, but it just is what it is. I never thought, because I've seen,

there's a car near your house actually, it was very clean Bronco driving around with the gas cans,

you know, bolted to the side. And everything on the car was spick and span clean. Actually,

if you're out there, shout out to that dude. He's a fan. Oh, he is. Yeah. He, that guy also has

a cool Colorado, Colorado that's like, you know, those are good and stuff. He's got three or four

different rigs. I just wonder if those cans whistle on the highway. Like fuck. Yeah, they do. Oh yeah.

My stuff, the rack on my safari whistle, like they all have shit all does. Yeah, it's not,

it's not great. I mean, it serves a function, but like it's not great. We can start a new business

that makes little wings that go on gas cans, mounted to the sides of trucks. It's like the

wing buffering thing. It's like the toolie rack on the front, but now it's a tiny one. Oh man.

But here it's like, that's the problem for half the folks who have that stuff. And I'm not saying

the guy who lives in my neighborhood has that, but half the, half those people, it's, you know,

you want it to, it's kind of look like that. You don't want, you don't want it to look,

you don't want to bring arrow things on there. Just little, little fins. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, it's just, that's the problem. You just can't go, can't go fast without going.

Wow. So anyway, we drove the, we drove this spec five down there. It is very fast.

It's, it's very loud. Unlike the spec three, it does not have a quiet mode. It only has a loud

mode. And so, you know, the, the two hour highway drive down there was, I was fine for me, but it

was a lot for her head. A lot, a lot of loud. But like, essentially this is, and yeah, 170,000

or $160,000, you know, plus tax or whatever is a ton of money for a Mustang. But if you want into

a GTD, you're lucky if it starts with a three. Wow. Yeah. Probably at this point, I mean,

maybe it starts with four. I don't know. But like even just MSRP, if you could get one,

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like something from the outside that you could modify for pretty you know not too much money

like if you put a little deck spoiler on your Mustang GT and some other stuff because it's

underneath it's the engine it's all the other parts list for the spec 3 though it's pretty long

it's really expensive and like but the things you see yeah are there's like six things that you

actually really notice right whereas this with the fenders and stuff like it clearly is different

yeah and I mean this also has a very long parts list 870 horsepower what is the suspension

there it is RTR tactical performance adjustable coilovers sway bars two-piece front rotors

20 inch forged wheels ps4 s tires I wonder if it's the same suspension you get on because the

spec 3 also was tactical performance adjustable stuff I'm just curious if I was curious if it was

different spring rate or whatever I'm sure it's I'm sure it's damped and everything for this car

yeah I think the they changed the geometry is it just much wider wheels

um 305 and 315 I have to go back and look at the notes to see what the other one is

right check just google it it might just be much wider wheels but I'll tell you what whatever the

setup was the alignment wasn't too bad so it actually like tracked pretty straight it wasn't

it wasn't annoying yeah same with the spec 3 I think maybe I need to like yeah you are right the

this these tires are and wheels are much wider than these but the spec 3 is 275 front 295 rear

so so that's where it is yeah that's where it goes so but it was pretty cool and like I mean you

know uh that that cars and coffee is like pretty heavy hitter down there it's uh it's a lot of

Richie Rich and then also a lot of solid creativity and stuff and so to get it to get that much

attention uh in a Mustang is is good work for RTR people are really digging it um and uh it's

it is uh you know in terms of actually using it as a car if you wanted it to like be your car

like this could be your car I hope there's maybe a way to make it a little quieter at this power

level maybe it's not but like I wouldn't want it to be my car all the time at this volume right

it's loud um uh it's a 25 it's a 25 year old's loud but most 25 year olds don't have 160 grand

for something like this yeah it drives really nice it really does I mean it's still fucking huge

because it's a Mustang um but uh you know it it doesn't have a lot of a lot of bad behaviors and

it's got a shitload of torque so you can lug it down to 1200 rpm in traffic you know just like

leave it in second whatever like it's fine and um and it's obviously more practical than a than an

actual GTD is with a back seat and a real trunk um that that's not impacted um so it was pretty cool

I mean I think it looks if you go if you were flipping through the colors before and I think

some of the colors look better than others I mean the the press car being silver really shows off

because the wide body panels are kind of like uh uh oh look color shift paint mistochrome 15k

urban bamboozle I don't know what that is I didn't either so I had to search it and uh

is that it's like a mustache Mustang RTR let's whoa it's like the this is like the green version

of mistochrome yep and it's got some yellow and the sun hits it and then it goes to green

you know um it's not bad actually it's pretty cool I kind of dig it yeah I think

I think I'd like it better on a smaller car I think it's a lot on a big car like this

but like imagine it on like a fucking clown shoe oh yeah how sick that would be right that'd be

kind of cool because yeah where the where the sun hits it it's it's a little bit nicer looking

than that was a phoenix yellow oh yeah yeah that was a little bit more baby vomit in my opinion

this is a bit nicer but the mistochrome is so cool mistochrome is fabulous I mean that color looks

great still uh I would I if I was going 160 I'd go 185 for the mistochrome and I tell you what I

bet you get your money back for it too I bet you you know I don't know if this I mean I'm sure

something like this will depreciate in the short term right and maybe like a yanko right you know

nobody gave two shits about yankos for a while and now they're a million bucks and so this this is

sort of that kind of thing the manufacturer adjacent sort of tuner thing these may be appreciated

down the road either way they drive really nice right now the um but uh I bet you that option

returns it's returns itself yeah probably because it's the rarest color on the terminators and stuff

right for sure oh yeah yeah oh yeah for sure uh and the most desirable all right maybe that maybe

that fan I met who has the mistochrome terminator decides he wants to sell it because it's not a

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but i like the 96 cobra better than i like the i don't like new edge mustang gotcha they don't do

it for me yeah i get it i think uh i think the 90s car is a better looking car overall it's also

just like a more organic shape i always like it's just when i see that lower front valence it tells

me terminator it's the only it just snaps in my head and i like it you know you have a pavlovian

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last last night yes it was it was last night uh for someone's birthday party stopped and say hi

and they've got a new thing where they're they are only playing baywatch

on the televisions and that's it they'll only play baywatch uh wow on on the whole time which i

think is a is a is a problem for me because the ratio of genders attending this bar i'm just curious

this place was full of hot girls wow which is i apparently i had to be i was like i guess

women's playing by jillian that i'm just old and don't get it which is fine i can i can but i but

but so here's the thing with this bar this bar only serves beer and wine and only serves like

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i've never had a tasty beverage there and i've had many beverages there

okay every the funniest ad for this place you're like check it out and then next paragraph no no

beverages are not very good but but it is full of young hot women every time i've been there

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literally stools on the sidewalk which again fine but like what is drawing that crowd to

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buildings like that might sound dumb to people but like in la there's places where it's just

apartments places where it's just houses this has but i think there's a lot of population density

there and so to have a place that you can walk to because the whole neighborhood north of that

that street is kind of expensive and if it's a house it's really expensive there's not a lot of

bars i guess exactly in that area there's not but uh so it's the one magnet and if it's like

kind of aimed at being healthy that helps yeah and there you go yeah but i mean i'm i'm impressed

i am impressed yeah i have yet to have a tasty time which is kind of funny they seem to bring in

a what was it the wine like they don't put nitrites in wine in europe right i don't know and that's

one of the differences just bring that in because the wine still tastes which is just crazy because

next door they make the most delicious food the most delicious coffee the most delicious

smoothies like they know what good is you gotta ask him next time you see him i'll have to ask

about the choices yeah um i don't know why i started with that oh because of baywatch because

so baywatch is on the tv here's what's depressing about that i watched baywatch you know on mute

for three to four minutes right i was because i was on mute for a year yeah yeah i continued uh

and man you know i was i really it's it's like 30 something years old it's like night and yeah

i knew the name of every single actor on baywatch wow yeah i i hadn't accessed that uh that any of

those names in quite a long time you know other than pamela anderson but like wow i had thought i

had not thought about david charvey in a while exactly who does he play like oh he's like he's

a the young guy in baywatch with his hair with the with like what you would call the butt cut

okay your memory is amazing like it's not always this was last night no but you like i watched that

show okay like a lot as a young person and i know three names from that show and one of them is not

david charpay it's yeah it was yeah couldn't tell you and i watched it with sound on and i was like

the guy who's the cop and they spun that off into pacific blue yeah and all that stuff but

i don't know the names of the people that was crazy i was ashamed i was ashamed for knowing that

i think your brain is a really impressive sponge it's just weird with some things don't stick at

all serena and some of those things are important i went to ramen last night and and i was like oh we

haven't been here a while and she goes she looks at me she goes we were here last year and i said we

were and we ate dinner and the whole time she's just she's like you really don't remember eating

here with me do you i was like i have no recollection it must have been five years ago she

no no no 2024 so that's what my brain's doing um so anyway wrap it up uh this uh this spec five

thing is pretty cool uh i don't i don't uh if there's if there's a demand for if you guys want

us to make a video with we can make a video i think in some of these colors where the the blade is a

little less contrasty i think it looks really good i think it looks really good in the dark

colors and stuff i don't know the bright colors i might try to paint more the black stuff but

but i think it looks nice in general and it's it's it's loud and it's fast um it was a good time

they do pts if you could do colored clear coat over the carbon like if you had one of the bright

blues that that contrast is kind of aggressive but if you could do uh colored clear over yeah maybe

yeah it was fun i like i like jr i think he i think he builds a fun car yeah

um the uh that was fun i'm having a good time on this vespa too the new 310

this is gonna be expensive we're doing we're talking about the auction tomorrow because

my car is gonna be done i'm not gonna say it out loud you can't jinx these kinds of things

but i'm gonna write it down where if the car hits a certain number i'm gonna get the new vespa

you know okay it's cool yeah it's gotta be it's gotta hit the certain number we're not gonna

just spend frivolously we have other things to do with that money but man the new vest you gotta put

you go right down and put an envelope and just leave it on the table yeah no and then we'll open

it after the auction yeah i'll put i'll put you know what i'll do i'll make levels like if it gets to

this we'll do this you know if it gets to this we'll get we'll get a nice dinner if it gets to

this you know we'll do something we'll do something really cool we'll go take like an overnight

somewhere if it gets to this you know i'm i'm gonna buy a vespa nice i like that yeah treat yourself

and then i could either sell the old vespa or teach hannah to ride it and chic and we could

vespa together which i think would be fun we could also like we could double up on this vespa

it's enough power to do that but like you know she would probably like riding around it's like

it's it's shrinking the pow we did it and then we've espad in nantucket i have seen her vespa

but she uh it but those were like fucking fifties or something does she but does she like the movement

of it the freedom of it you know i don't know if she would like it in los angeles i think in nantucket

was different but like i don't know maybe you we get a little trailer and tow the vespas somewhere

and then scoot around tell them to ice race we got we're gonna be we're gonna be old soon we gotta

find something to do yeah it's true yeah we need we need to figure out what our what our old activity

is going to be best playing best thing it could be there's fucking worse things people tow around

weird shit behind big ass motorhomes totally makes sense you park the motorhome you gotta run around

yeah i mean the power would be and i would be a lovely thing to tow around too but um it was

fucking pissing rain uh so not much got done um although that spec five was a good time in the

rain um i tried to weigh mo in the rain uh first off their wipers turned on which is which is purely

for your comfort really is there no camera behind the windshield like you know most cars have that

forward-facing radar yeah well that's a good point i didn't think about the fact that the wiper would

have to clear would be clearing that camera okay you're right uh but i i'll have to i'll have to

look at that a little just can you pull up a waymo let's pull up a photo of a waymo let's see if

oh type waymo rain and let's see if if we get an image of one with wiper streaks and we can uh

let's just see if we can get uh can you show wipers and do wipe this is a tough mission to find

to do in real time i think it's possible that the wiper could clear one of the cameras though

that's plausible for sure neither way yeah uh it was very it was very good at driving uh it was

very cautious it saw you know it saw everything it basically in in a in a 15 minute ride and

and you know anecdote isn't data obviously but the data says they're they're safe drivers in the

rain um my experience was it drove perfectly safely in the rain however

i took it to my office and as i say over and over it drops me off in the back by the trash yep

which oh boy when it rains okay that alley the drainage yeah so the alley so fortunately

you know fortunately i was sitting in the back not the front and i was able to

you know crawl across to the other side where there was not a huge puddle oh because if you'd

gotten out on the seat you were in if i had just opened the door i would have i would have stepped

into a puddle that was fucking deep deep it would have gone the it would have gone into my shoe from

the top oh yeah fortunately i shimmyed across to the other side and i was and that side it was not

fully dry but it was it was like you know maybe an inch yeah yeah so you can't you just can't be

like hey buddy you're in a fucking puddle that's a great point they need sensors for that they should

there should be a thing on the screen that says like nudge you know like a nudge button

that would go this is not a suitable place to stop yeah fine scoot up you know 10 feet 20 feet

totally the next available place to stop yeah that would be like a useful thing to do that's a good

idea i've also now sent three or four reports about it taking the wrong way out of my neighborhood

i'm hoping that that i i want to see how many reports i have to send before it stops doing

makes the unnecessary left right uh it it takes it takes the long way yeah yeah it go it it it goes

north to go south yeah yeah which is which is like this is a good experiment how many reports

will take to change the behavior of this robot yeah yeah to like draw their attention they go man

we're getting a lot of reports in this place but i'm also i i think i may have just messed up my

study by talking about another show possibly why because somebody may know somebody at wemo

oh that's goes hey you know go find matt faris wemo account and relook at his reports right you

circumvent the actual process like i might you might it might kickstart a system i'm not intentionally

doing that but it could totally happen i know for a fact that people who work at those companies

listen to this so anyway maybe it'll happen so if you're listening and you work at wemo don't

help solve matt's problem don't just let the system solve matt's problem yeah unless you work in the

department who's meant to see the reports anyway correct ooh it's a wrinkle i know this is a problem

with experimenting on myself this is like selecting uh tiny bits of data to support your theory that

eating just meat is good for you yeah or like just yeah yeah deciding i'm like you know gonna be

vegetarian for like you know a random week of each month measles isn't bad for you matt yeah um

but it was a good driver in the rain i'm i was pretty confident my um you know we live and work

right near the the hub where these things like go to sleep yeah to hide yeah and so i think there's

a disproportionate number of them just in our area because they're always on you know coming or going

you know in addition to the ones that are actually shuttling people around

but uh but my nephew was just like this is crazy how many because he's from he lives in savannah

georgia are there any no whoa uh and he was you know he saw a couple last time he was here

which was like you know a year and a half ago or something but uh but he was like you know last

night or coming home they're just like i guess it was like shift change so as we were coming by here

they're all like turning in there and he's like there's like six in a row did he ride in them with

you uh no but we're gonna take one to dinner tonight yeah yeah i'm curious what his take is as a young

person who might be you know up on new technology and far more malleable yeah fully uh fully tech

right you know bored not like it like had had an ipad at a very young age i'm curious if he'll

just go yeah this makes sense or if he'll still be shocked by how good it is um even though he's

you know had technology for a long time i mean almost everybody has exactly the same reaction

which is wow this is incredible and then within two or three minutes they're scrolling on instagram

or something which is a crazy thing that like just people just go okay like that they just like

it doesn't do anything crazy for like two minutes and they're just like this is safe

it's fine that's how quickly we get used to something or trust something

i do it assuming it's dangerous like i seriously do like i do it like for my own like scientific

research assuming like something bad will happen i'm driving the mires mangs is like that too

that's probably more dangerous it is well it definitely is but driving it driving that thing

around i'm like i'm like i am really enjoying this and i understand that this is very dangerous oh

sure but the joy over overwhelms the danger yeah yeah it's like anything that's dangerous yeah i do

the math and like you know joy wins it's like you know it's like 90-10 joy yeah like explain you know

to a base jumper like you know this is dangerous they're like yeah but it's awesome it's this awesome

but at this altitude i jizz yeah exactly when the shoot hits my heart jizzes yeah if i don't open

the shoot then no jizz no nothing yeah did you make a tea in a west side bottle yeah without

to use hot water no i just dropped this green tea into cold water is that a thing cold tea i mean i

guess it is like iced tea usually it takes a way longer to steep just like cold ice just like you

know cold brew coffee yeah so i'm not sure how steeped it will be huh i think it's been about

so everyone's everybody's doing science today this is definitely science okay i'm definitely

doing science this is this you may have botulism in there too who knows yeah how is it still tastes

like water it's got a hint of green tea at the very end that mostly tastes like water although it

looks like it looks like tea yeah yeah it looks successful leave it maybe by tomorrow it'll be

tea we'll be here in the morning yeah that's true who knows now that i've sifted it'll definitely

turn uh we got to plug our pal christin lee yes i love uh very much who uh as a as a car writer

for a long time uh and she's written a book a kid's book called uh the 50 states things that go

and basically what it is is a state by state uh atlas i suppose uh or i should say it's an

alphabetical list of states and then a bunch of fun transportation uh related facts for kids

about each state such as uh grand rapids massachusetts was famous for personalizing its

streetcars the spirit of st louis streetcars named in honor of the aviator charles lindberg

who was a nazi supporter no he doesn't say that last part in the book oh the kids don't need to

know that that's the second version that's the adult version the one high school the 50 states

things that go night time edition uh for your adults in the room no um get one for your kid

uh we love christin she's the best and you should buy her book of 500 facts that showcase the

vehicles history and spirit unique to each of the 50 states that's awesome when i was a kid i

would love that book i had a bunch of those like transportation things with remember the cutaway

books where it would show like the inside of a train engine f1 car all that stuff and this is like

pretty um like luxuriously made like it's like a nice like it's it's a very like high quality

thing doesn't feel like hardbound the cover has a 3d texture to it yeah embossed yeah and uh durable

for children is how i would describe it yeah i'm gonna have to send that to my nephews they'll

like that thanks christin go buy it uh you can buy it from uh probably jeff bezos but you should

buy from somewhere else this is abram's books yeah um i like bookshop.org speaking of rain

books speaking of what a woman a woman from uh alabama invented windshield wipers

mary anderson mary anderson did you ever see the the the movie about the intermittent wipers

how fuck i'm um is it called i want to say it's called flash of genius and it is a

movie about the guy who invented the intermittent wiper and then the idea was stolen from him and he

like basically went nuts trying to sue the automakers to get credit uh for it is that right

flash of genius i think that's right yeah maybe the internet no it's the internet letting you down

today no i'm just he developed an intermittent white windshield wipers based on the idea he

patented yeah uh yeah so someone stole his idea yes yes they did but is that the right name of the

movie uh yes the name of the movie all right cool yeah it's kind of a fun one people also rejected

anderson's attempt to sell the license of the patent they thought uh her device was lacking

commercial value at a time when cars were still relatively rare her patent expired in 1920 without

having gone to mass production and then of course by the 20s cattle began installing wipers as

standard features using designs that follow the basic principles of her device america she was

inducted into the inventor's hall of fame after she died we're cool and her family gets generational

wealth from that right i have bad news probably i don't have time to look for it but i'm just gonna

guess i'm gonna guess they do not yeah yeah um speaking of patent changes before we go to

questions did you i want to talk about this epa thing real quick did you see this last week

um well i i remember talking about how when they did that little funky thing where

they didn't change the fuel economy standards but they got rid of the fines right i remember

saying oh he's he's basically getting rid of fuel economy standards and being called alarmist

by a couple of people so i'm sorry go on so this was a story the administration talked about a week

or two ago um they want to relax epa standards on vehicles and the the statement they've put forward

to the public though is that this will make cars cheaper by almost a thousand dollars without

specifying how of course so they say hey the cars are going to get simpler which means they're

cheaper to build but it's going to be cheaper for you to buy a car buy up to a thousand dollars

this is what they stated so i got a message from someone who wants to remain nameless they work for

a very large car company at a pretty high level um they want to keep their position also hidden

mm-hmm it reminds it rhymes with jevrel a no uh i'm not even gonna get that close

but uh basically this person said i had put out a post saying i think this is gonna be bs and he's

like you're right because um oems will only save around a thousand dollars per vehicle on average

with these changes and they said my company is not passing any of that along to the consumer as a

price reduction oems will get a little boost in profit and he said no trickle down economics

right it trickles down they're getting hammered on tariffs so he this person said why do you think

these companies are going to want to help you save a thousand dollars when they've been everything's

gotten more expensive for them to build cars um he did say there's a small maintenance benefit so

i asked what that was this is quote the predicted maintenance benefit will be very minor in terms

of its impact on total cost of ownership they're looking at getting rid of things like active

grill shutters high efficiency alternators and stop start so that means the like the active

grill shutter motor won't break anymore that is something that they have to repair repair under

warranty a lot um the alternators and starters used for auto stop start are more expensive

today i i looked on napo auto parts and stuff i couldn't find the difference between i was looking

up you know a truck starter i couldn't find one that was designated as for auto stop start or not

every starter i found was basically three to five hundred bucks you'd probably have to like compare

one from like an f150 that from the the last year before it was like standard then i tried to find

that because i i know that some of the company sun set it stop start during i don't know why i just

said f150 by the way like i don't know it's because you have that there's literally a 150 on the on

the screen it's not because this person works for for it i have no idea so if someone knows like

if someone put in the comments like auto stop start starters cost this much but for the non

auto system it's this much it's probably i mean it's probably just a more durable starter i mean

this it's going to be starting more so it's probably just more you know just better made you

know well the auto stop start gets used more obviously gets used every time you're driving

you know whatever five times a mile depends on your drive so they have made them more robust

but it's gonna lay down they might be fucking starting and stopping a hundred times a day for

sure yeah so that is definitely a part that's going to wear out more often um

profit something and that's funny when they talked about the the maintenance i was like

my first thought was because they're eliminating diesel exhaust fluid that's what i mean by lower

cost of uh oh yeah that's possible um that's what that would be that would be bad diesel exhaust

fluid it works it does work it does work it works and then i did some math so for people

if you're if you're enticed i did buy this thousand dollar thing would you major in

in college uh communications all right cool but i took math um so the current average fuel economy

nationally is 24.4 gallons let's call it 25 miles per gallon miles per gallon the current national

average price of fuel today according to uh triple a is two dollars 82 cents so if you drive

12 000 miles a year use 480 gallons of gas you spend 1353 on gasoline if the average goes down by

just two miles per gallon based on these changes your fuel costs will go up to 1471 and if it goes

down three miles per gallon uh it goes up to over 1500 so basically if it goes if mpg goes down by

three miles per gallon you will spend that thousand dollars in five years of owning the car so the

thousand dollars you save on the msrp if they give you that savings you spend it within five years

and what's so interesting about this is in 2022 previous administration put out a story saying hey

we want average fleet economy to go up to 49 miles per gallon it was projected to save people $1400

at the pump but cars were going to cost $1100 more so it's pretty funny that both of them are like

both administrations were doing the same thing for people's pocketbooks just in different directions

and of course there's environmental effects by reducing epa standards yeah if you could have

every car you know they have the average be 49 miles a gallon sure and i imagine that average is

probably calculated by a bunch of car cars being evs that was yes that's the average so that's that's

a super high number i was just using i found um average miles per gallon for small light vehicles

based on nitsa and that was at 20 uh 25 miles per gallon and this also assumes that gas stays 282

sure now if it goes down obviously you save more money but if it goes back up to 350 nationally

like that's a problem i mean just like

how the fuck

and like i like you got like i hope everybody knows that like i like cars i do i oh i do like

cars i don't i'm not trying to like say we need we need to get rid of cars but like how if you

like live on the fucking earth are you not just under a common understanding that like these cars

should probably burn less gas over time like how is that a fucking political controversial

political opinion they're like hey the chemicals coming out of the back of this fucking truck

or car and the amount of of of flammable fuel going into the front of this truck

should probably be less over time

fucking rockets i mean is this like that's it's crazy that that isn't just like a baseline of

being a fucking a human i know well but the we know like the campaign started in the 70s yeah

by exxon yeah to put forth you know disinformation about the effects of people on climate change

that's been 50 years in action and the effects are obvious yeah so there are a lot of people

out there that think the source of you know changing climate is from one thing not another

thing or whatever and that's how i mean i and i and i you know you could wind back the show go

find it if you want i did say i didn't think those the uh the full-on internal combustion ban

i was like i don't think that shit's ever gonna happen or at least not anytime soon i said that

when they announced it doesn't there's no there's no the met none of the math supported that the

timeline was too aggressive the infrastructure wasn't reacting in time i got into a fight with

dave anthony about it on twitter wasn't your friend for a while no yeah and now we're friends

and now that's funny to us because like he wanted it to be true and like everyone you know people

of authority at the time said like it's happening and i was like nah but but and well when i when

i posted this story the rat my reaction to this thing i know that there are a lot of people possibly

some listening that would are arguing and getting very loud right now about what causes climate

change do humans impacted i don't want to debate them on that so here's the numbers of how it

affects your wallet like you're being told that this will save you a thousand dollars

if gas if the efficiency of cars goes down by x you will not save a thousand dollars within five

years and if gas prices fluctuate up at all which they have a lot in the last couple years

that savings goes away so just wanted to say that yeah i mean i get that like

evs aren't for everybody and the uh charging network cannot support a 100% ev mandate no

shit but how do we not understand as as people that even if like even if we understand that uh

that climate change comes from a variety of sources uh a minority of which is personally owned

vehicles like personally owned transportation is not the by itself the majority of drivers of

climate change but it's it's but it's not small but like how the fuck do we not understand that

making the more efficient over time is like just the thing that we should be doing i don't know

like that line should never be going the other way you know what i mean even if it has to stay flat

for a while you know uh like even if it doesn't continue moving forward for a little while it

that line should just never be going backward yeah that's crazy progression of technology

that's crazy i mean i realized this i'm talking like someone who's born in 1981 and didn't really

understand how like government worked until essentially mid bush right so i get it i'm not

old enough to have like seen everything but like man it really did seem like at least you know

from between bush and you know trump won anyway that the and at least at least during the from

the 80s to to then line line of vehicles efficiency was going up pretty significantly

you know and that that was like a good thing like if you ever were in la in the 1970s maybe

or saw even a photo or video of fucking la in the 1970s because like fucking yikes

the air is pretty good here now yeah you can see across the city yeah all the time yeah the air is

really nice here now because of that anyway so people should go to them yeah let's go to them

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support my favorite shit podcast um lucas harper's inflamed sense of artificial identity

you have four hours oh this is great a non-car question four hours to make a meal for someone

bless you and have an intimate dinner at your house who are you inviting and what are you making

unlimited budget who bonus you get one chef alive or dead to help you who are you choosing boy is

this a fucking question okay so uh make a meal for some for one person four hours and i get a

chef to help me any chef any ingredient uh can i say carl just so i can talk to him again

i would have carl in my kitchen with me making the matzabal soup again with me writing down

and videoing every fucking detail and the person i would want to eat it with is just him that's it

that would be that would be perfect i would take that do you have one of those

i mean i'd probably choose bordain so i could just talk to him and learn things

oh yeah that would that would be another good i would try to make whatever the greatest italian

dishes he has he knows how to make for sarah because we just we love italian food but yeah

that would be the choice i probably if i was gonna have bordain make me something it would be steak

frets because he worked at you know it was leal he made thousands of steak frets he probably made

a real good steak frets uh 575 super dave america says if you could give the safari treatment to any

ferrari what would it be safari is a good safari is a good name i really like that um

best ferrari safari um well the obvious answer is the ff for the luso right uh but if we look cool

it would look extremely cool if you wanted to go a little more classic um i mean the you know the

308 rally cars were really exceptional yeah that's like pretty much what that is dude an old-day

tona would look cool meaty it would be meaty meaty fitment lifted and stuff that would be yeah

picture picture the 240z's that are safaried out and then you could easily yeah imagine what the

Daytona would look like that would be bitchin right uh and then oh and then why don't you think we

see more safari cars in urban areas with bad roads i mean i i i think that that was not a thing that

people were interested in doing until i mean it obviously was a good idea i mean like uh

uh 2018 when i got my safari 911 the title of the article i wrote for road and track was a

911 safari is the ultimate city car um so i don't think this was an unknown idea but i think a lot

of people uh are not really willing to compromise their sports car for that it also changes the

value of that car but it can go up but it can also hurt it if people aren't into what you've

built right um beat beat noodle is the username chat gpt gave me i have a 2019 volt gm has a history

of giving up on good ideas after pumping tons of money into them truth uh but don't you think

ditching the volt tech system is near the top of that list i do i do i think especially now that

plug-in hybrids are the thing you know i think i think gm was they were there first they had a

great system um you know g the the volt was the sweet plug-in hybrid in 2013 that worked really

good 20 2009 sorry the volt came out i had a 2013 but they were fucking awesome but yes i do think

it is i mean i think they could go back i do think they could pivot to it they they were there already

they could make it again um but yeah it does it does seem uh short sighted but it wasn't just that

gm gave up on the good idea after pumping money into it they didn't know how to market it uh they

were just like they didn't know how to know how to tell people like how it worked in a simple way

like no they actually made it like i think johnny might have said this because we were talking about

like the idea of just having a gas engine that's a generator to to charge batteries

whereas the volt under certain circumstances it would be a generator under other circumstances

it would actually drive the wheels that gm just shouldn't have told people that

they they want they should have just said yeah it's a generator like you wouldn't have known

but you got it i mean they have to tell people what's going on i mean but they shouldn't have

because it made it more complicated and they should have just simplified it it's an electric car

that can charge itself that's it that they should have just said that or like or they

should have talked about plug-in hybrid or or something but like the way they market it no one

really understood how it worked and and really understood why it was that much better than like

a prius i think that's i think prius has first mover advantage for so long convincing the public

that that you can compete is really hard every company thought they were like a prius but really

it was actually much better than a prius the roger farrah podcast might as well i've mentioned

before that used outie s5 is a great daily driver value under 50 000 i'm not yeah yeah it could it

could be it could be um is there anything in today's market you'd choose over it

you probably yeah i mean i would choose a lot of four doors yeah you know i mean the the s5 is

awesome and it's good at that job but a big two door coupe is not as useful as a as a four door

yeah especially if you have the same engine yeah and all the same stuff and they handle about the

same who you know who cares just have that back door yeah i mean we had an 09 outie s5 and it was

nice at the time when it was new uh and i'm sure it would still be kind of nice today if it was well

kept um but i i probably wouldn't want one today um i mean honestly you could you can have if we're

talking about that type of car like i'd rather have an e92 m3 today to be honest with you i'd rather

have a few other things i mean 50k i'm into 997 Porsche's and i'd much rather have that yeah

you get a ctsd coupe probably that money 50 goes a long way and an s5 is not what i would be doing

with it no sorry um ted theologian uh toying with an e v lease for a three-day commute in minnesota

am i the market demo for a mock e rally yes um i am uh i am pro mock e rally a little bit of snow

yep i'm at highway yep and then they say a bit of off-road capability for when i visit some camping

properties it's great for that for fire roads and snow tracks and stuff like that 100 yeah i mean

as long as that campground is within reasonable range of a charger or your other how you know

your primary house where you can charge it up look at your infrastructure but that car

does so many things well and they have described all of them yeah uh josh j uh as someone who

partners with a watch micro brand how do you feel about buying one used as opposed to supporting

the small business uh i've always wanted uh this one brand but i found their price too high managed

to find a used one for less and although i love it i feel a bit of shame for not directly supporting

a growing brand um i think you are supporting a growing brand uh the fact that somebody was able

to sell that watch second hand to you um watches need to have a second hand value if the second

hand value of this brand's watch was zero nobody would buy another watch from the company again

so a watch does need to have some kind of second hand value there needs to be someone there to buy

it when somebody buys it from the company and doesn't want it anymore that would like suck

i mean imagine like just like our our watch this watch if this watch you know

which was 1200 new was sitting on ebay for six months for 250 buy it now no takers i'd be like

that's that's not great you know um someone was like hey matt i saw one on ebay and like

it went for like 1500 like it went it went for over like all right cool like there's that you

know even though they're sold out like somebody wanted one that bad and then that's like that's

pretty cool so like you're not supporting the brand directly but you're wearing it maybe you

tell somebody about it i mean that the brand you mentioned is pretty obscure obscure imagine what

happened to new portion pricing if no one cared about the old ones you know you're still

your ambassador for the brand it's still it's showing people that it's still a cool thing to

have even if it's used like there's like builds excitement all that stuff yeah and by the way

like i mean like that brand like they'll be fine maybe you'll buy a used one or a new one when

you can afford it if you still like them like you it's nice that you're thinking about this

but like yeah just like with a car like you're still allowed to go to the portion meat if you

buy the car used and like no one knows like you put that watch on and like nobody knows you bought

it used the only person like you no one on after that no yeah but but you should not feel shame

you should be okay and happy with your new watch that's fine um she says my mini is just right says

i was scrolling the classifies recently and noticed that the new model year lexus rc 350 and rc

f still come equipped standard with a cd player uh do any other examples of current cars have any

outdated or weird tech like this not really man i haven't seen a cd player in a minute and i haven't

driven a lexus rc holy shit when was the lex when was the rc track edition that must have been

seven years ago but there's a 2025 here's auto blog says there are a few cd players

uh oh is this a gallery or can we just scroll okay lexus yes this window oh boy pop ups keep

going lexus ish shocker old-ass car uh lexus rc shocker old-ass car all right super out back

super out back yeah uh car for old-ass people uh Subaru legacy yeah same car that's it that's it

all right so four cars we have two makes yeah two lexuses and uh and and two surus basically

yeah okay so tell tell mom uh yeah i mean that's really i know once once the screen take over

happens all the all the outdated tech really just goes away but those markets make i am actually

surprised there's no mercedes or something because this is obviously aimed at slightly older people

and uh you know i'm kind of surprised there's no like s class or class maybe the mercedes new tech

mercedes always says that we're always like if you put my mother in a new mercedes she

have no fucking clue what was going on in there but if they had a cd changer in the back she might go

oh cool i can put some of my albums in here still rock the cd changer in the vanquish same six

going on uh going on 20 years oh six we've had the car 20 years and i've had the same six cds

do you still have your cd collection from when you were a younger person oh dude it's probably a

cabinet at my house somewhere yeah yeah my parents have mine somewhere yeah i've got i i think

somewhere they're in a binder i bet they're i bet half of them are scratched to shit i also i don't

think i have outside of that car which is 2,900 miles from here i don't think i have a cd player

at all neither do i not anymore took mine out yeah my computer doesn't have one the one in the

nsx which i only own for a few more days oh no the coontosh the only car i have for the cd player

wow it's disassembled the uh the pow has a cassette deck oh wait no no

no does the the delica has a clarion double din but does it tilt down to reveal a cd player

i don't think so does it just tilt down to go into the dash it doesn't go it's not a flip out

oh it's a it's a fixed double din okay but it might do one of the it might be like a kneeling

mm-hmm but because i don't have but i don't i don't know i don't it's been too long

you gotta hit the button or it might have a tape deck back there that's what mine had

no this isn't this wouldn't i don't know i don't know anyway all carbon tubs go to heaven

if electric turbos and electric superchargers are not powered by the engine anymore are they

not basically the same thing i would say they are unless um so far um now i can't say this about an

electric supercharger because i've not examined one in great detail but the electric turbos that

exhaust gas does take over at a certain point i forget if it's i forget exactly what rpm it

takes over but there is a point at which the rpms are the the the flow of exhaust gases is enough

to get that thing going on its own at which point it starts harvesting electricity um electric

superchargers i do is there a point zack in an electric supercharger at at which point the

the the the the power of the accessory drive belt which would normally drive

overtakes the electricity uh i'm trying to look i don't think so i think the big difference though

is that by definition turbochargers at some point use the exhaust gas to power that turbine

right with a supercharger it's always powered by an external source right it's always powered by the

belt or the other belt or in this case electricity so maybe that's maybe the psi for a turbocharger

can ultimately get higher because it uses that exhaust gas as it spins up so i don't know like

if you know what the psi of the you know the new 992.2 turbos is i've never heard it's like 30

it's in the 30 like i've never heard i've never heard of a supercharger getting anywhere near as

much boost as the turbos make uh new new new turbo s gets 26.1 psi boost so

i i don't know of any supercharger that makes that kind of unless maybe you're talking about a diesel

so the stock gt 500 from a few years ago made nine psi yeah so a third yeah um nobody good question

though yeah now we know the answer nobody cares about my g70 fight the good fight brother i've

been reading autonorama as per your recommendation and it's great any other good books you've been

into lately um i just finished the image it's from 1962 and it will make you want to bang your head

into a wall in case that's the kind of thing you're interested in they it basically it basically

talked about the problems that we're having with algorithmic news and silos of information and news

about nothing and influencer culture in 1962 it's fucking crazy it's so crazy and so frustrating

it's called the image and the foreword is written by douglas rush cough who wrote survival of the

richest which is also a much must read because it's fucking crazy uh it's basically about what

billionaires actually think is going to happen and what they're actually trying to do when the

inevitable apocalypse comes oh good yeah it's good feel good yeah zack do you and i think we're

included in those no in some form surfed him my only hope is for you and sarah and me and hannah

and the four cats and tucker to get in the delica and go to the yellowstone club

and hope they let us in i was not expecting that answer that's our only hope

hey we met once i can cook yeah i know what a big month oh my god taught me i was just gonna be

like let's just steal a sailboat and head somewhere else oh no that's the real listen that's the real

plan but we can't talk about that too publicly because when sailboats go missing when there's

one little earthquake and 120 meter yacht goes missing they're gonna come looking for captain

farah yeah they are oh god but like you guys out there like you know how easy it is to steal boats

right like stealing boats is only a problem if there's people to catch you later because you

have to come back to shore eventually just don't go to the same shore but like what if shore isn't

there anymore different shore yeah what if shore is gone if shore is gone your problem is solved

most boats will just turn on especially the big ones uh dan henderson

says what car offers the best driving experience at non-criminal speeds i've already owned all

the miatas and love my nd but i want to move up market that won't put me in prison uh for wanting

to shift often uh and going to redline as possible i've owned mr2's boxers caterhomes and more this

is a problem uh i mean you look you've got your your brz you've got your gr corolla those are fun

um i mean if you can find a great fiesta st out there somewhere those are those are a good time

or why don't you like go old school my ferrari 328 was like awesome at non-criminal speeds

yeah vintage yeah or even like the pow the delica something where the power is not fun no but

well i think there's it's different kind of fun right like it's is it silly whimsical fun is it

if are you excited to just drive it and listen to it versus rev it out no i think i think what

dan is talking about is a slow is fast sports car not just a shopping cart that looks cool

that's right uh i mean lotus elise if i don't see lotus elise on the list that's

kind of quick that's in your that's in your wheelhouse there um uh i mean and then vintage

go you know go with a go with an a g body 911 or you know them shits aren't fast especially

shorter gearing because then you can drive it and shift a lot that's true yeah fine if you can find

an air cooled car that's got short ratios in it that's a good time yeah yeah old cars older cars

yeah uh i don't know whether i'm the boxer or the jag says um all right what do we have here

uh let's see uh basai toyota is the largest uh auto make uh okay toyota's business model is

totally different than the others who build throw away cars why is it that no one else tries to

design and build cars to last millennia like toyota does i mean i'm not so sure that that's what toyota

is doing in 2025 like i am certain that that's what toyota was doing in 1995 and they've managed

to stretch a lot of that out until 2015 2016 but now that like everything's a hybrid and things

are more computerized and turbocharged and turbocharged and you know you know there's there

was like no such thing really as a bad toyota powertrain for like 25 years yeah now they've

got like some problems with some of them um and i don't think nobody else tries to build cars that

last but i think that when toyota wanted to make a push to the us marketplace in particular behind

the wind of lexus you know they were going for they put a ton of money into those cars that

camry that came out at the that like kind of looked like the ls 400 like i think it was the 92

camry that like you the unkillable camry that that's a fuck they put so much money into that car

into making it durable and and really really good like the the thing about what was what they were

building in like 94 the previa that camry like the car that corolla the first like the rounded

corolla um oh boy i'm i'm sure there's at least two other cars there was the selica they were um

there was the mr2 until 95 like they were building like not only pretty dope stuff but like a whole

line of cars that were like basically unkillable and that's not really broadly true anymore that's

true yeah um but they were trying to make a big statement in the us market about their cars

and they earned customers for fucking life doing that it was a very very smart bet but i don't think

they've had to keep that up this whole time yeah either they have stopped trying or they've just

run into problems with all these new systems that have to be added to cars for turbo charging or

other suppliers i think they're to coma or their tundra problem right now is linked to a supplier

for like the metallurgy stuff um or you know turbo suppliers uh but all their cars that were like

the unkillable cars use like very old simple power trains they don't use the new high tech

shit right and the prius is reliable like that is but like the as we've seen in some people's videos

and stuff like the actual gas engine in a prius is like so under stressed that like of course it

lasts fucking forever and the battery is pretty under stress too because it's only really working

at you know very low speeds and it's not getting fucking fast charged and and stuff like that right

right that prius is a pretty under stressed car so and they were making it if they're making

four bangers in the 90s that were super reliable overbuilt or just built the right way now take

that engine put less stress on it or the similar technology yeah put less stress on it

listing off my cars from then to toyotas from 94 i forgot like the most durable tuner engine

in fucking history and then the tundra which didn't the didn't the first gen tundra have a one uz

in it oh good question or like no it didn't that's not true it did not i think it had some some kind

of uz it was some v8 i was it no i don't know it was it was a v8 was it related to what it was

99 to 2004 is it a one is a one uz fe oh yeah that's it yeah so i so it did so yeah so there so

that's just like that that five or whatever year period where every car they make was like

fucking unkillable they're still carrying the momentum of that

you know yeah and now it's just falling apart there's an article on the drive explains all

the reliability problems they've been having for the last year yeah uh two guys in the back of

alexis texas says this is a perfect question for me are there any cars with climate control systems

that can blow hot air at your feet and cold air up higher i have rain odes disease so my feet and

hands are always cold in the winter so i blast the heater at my feet and use a heated steering

wheel but i drive with the windows down so the rest of my body doesn't get too hot man that's

fucking annoying that's tough tough i'd rather leave the windows up and blast the heater down

low and a c up high but i haven't found a car that can do that boy do i have a car for you sir

let me introduce you to the 1991 bentley turbo r which can do that fucking crank it on your feet

crank the a c on your on your on the rest of your dials yep for each side right yep wow uh

huh because i haven't seen a new car that has that yeah bentley's yeah eighties and eighties into

97 the newest one you get is a 97 matter of fact

you know what else you can do i'm pretty sure the rave i'm pretty sure you get the rolls rave

okay the cheapest car can you please on the google's get me the the the interior dashboard

uh like the dashboard view of a 2004 rolls royce phantom this may be the cheapest you put 2002 and

that is not a car that exists no you said you know for oh four is the first year at least in america

lives we need the interior let's see if you have the double dials in that phantom can we see the dash

please uh that there's your shot do we have a high and a low i don't think so open i don't think it

has it it i can i can't see him there

hmm you may be able to find like a real shitty phantom for the the right amount of money that

has it uh no it doesn't okay uh yes it does can you zoom in on this photo

it's pretty grainy so i'm pretty sure those horizontal dials see have a high and a low

on both sides because you see on the right one you see there's a white mark yeah i'm just the low

half yeah all right so what and then i think you're right there's another white mark just up to the

left yeah so what you need sir is either a bentley turbo are there it is yes that is it the high and

the low you needed 2004 uh rolls royce phantom there you go what are those costs now look i didn't

say that this car would be affordable just that we would find one what a solution good on you i was

gonna say find a car that has cooled seats and you just run the air conditioning air

conditioned seats while you have the heater uh cranking on your feet or install a cool shirt

in your car you know blast the heat and chill the body yeah but then you gotta wear that thing

all day did say what this sold for do you want to pull up like well do you want to pull up bat

and let our cars and uh probably bat for phantoms let's look at let's look at bat and let's see

what it would cost to get into a phantom you're not gonna like this

you're not oh 512 amazon bat so good okay let's find some sold ouch sold units

uh 39 k miles sold for 90 well 22 k miles 66 grand sold for 66 000 though that's look i gotta be

honest it's less than i thought it's like well how about you know how about bottom right 16 000

mile oh that's back in february we didn't do it that show me white that was also 2020 oh it was

holy shit so few of these on bat okay show me except yeah show me september that one

is a 22 000 mile 04 phantom oh is with like blacked out chrome trim yeah okay okay let's go down

it's got 22 000 miles okay let's repaint it in white it's repaint let's keep looking

current owner purchased and added less than 1000 miles okay let's keep going let's see what the

inside looks like how it's just black black with burlwood all right superficially doesn't look terrible

and 22 000 miles for a Rolls Royce it should be fine it makes you wonder if it smells weird

also makes you wonder if it's it was crashed yeah the repaint with that loma but wait a minute

okay oh that's the cd player there it is there it is there's your double climate control wheels

right there yeah double fans double climate okay so 66 k you could be rolling in a phantom and maybe

you could tell get a prescription for it yeah and your insurance will pay for it yeah there you go

rey nodes disease handled doctor doctor i have found a solution to alleviate uh oh i'm so glad we

could help you solve this problem that's amazing uh tunehound what car would you like to own that

you have little to no appreciation for visually though that i i wouldn't want to own a car that i

don't appreciate visually yeah right i wouldn't know because i know you're gonna walk out and look at

it yeah and drive it around i wouldn't want to do that i mean there's cars that like i would own

like i didn't really care the mocking for instance like i didn't i didn't feel away about that you

know what i mean it was fine it was for really for my wife more than for me and it was fine but like

like i guess you could say i had little to no appreciation for but like i wouldn't want to buy

a car i didn't like at least kind of like looking at i think the mocking had some good angles i thought

it was good looking car from like front three-quarter i think they did some pretty nice stuff with it

the little roof trick they did made it look pretty cool so i think you could have gotten

uglier or less interesting looking EVs for sure you know more egg like you wanted um

uh like i mean okay uh no because all the exotic stuff like that looks kind of cool

yeah i don't think i have one i think i think i think there has to be an appreciation for it

visually uh what blurple says what cars are you most excited to drive next year

uh i'm looking forward to the astin martin valhalla which we should be doing this year

zr1 i already did that one but yes we'll get a zr1 and you will find you will find a way this

this the rear wheel drive bentley oh yeah continental super sports that's wild it seems

like a pretty good time um i'm looking forward to driving the mags on ice uh kuntash maybe

yeah maybe really i mean really that really that and whatever project you go into after nsx leaves

well the mercedes right i think that we're still we're still we're still excited about that project

actually because like the mancs that's something we can actually like kind of use a lot which i

think would be pretty fun we saw at um rancho santa fe cars and coffee one of the things we saw

that hannah really liked was a corduroy interior on a uh bmw csl and she really liked that and i

could absolutely get on board with corduroy sure i've been thinking herringbone but corduroy

would be really fun too the other the other thing we saw was one of the boldest things i've uh

did i oh shit i think i did i say this earlier on the show my brain made let me down did i say

that the boldest thing i saw down there was a uh a mitsubishi evo nine with montana tags

and its hood just popped open i was like dude you are you're fucking riding the

lightning bro that's crazy this guy's in san diego like 2,500 miles from montana

fucking so many so many montana tags on cars that didn't need them yeah

habibi's these guys are rolling down there with fucking like 99 ones stock on montana tags

like you fucking loser that's so lame you stick uh mark furar the tired smoker

so uh wants thoughts on the ulysse nardin and ur work collaboration can you get a photo of that one

um these are two companies that both make weird watches um and uh it is called the ur freak

um and i happen to think these are cool uh they call this a wandering hours complication

ap has come out with a similar watch as a matter of fact uh mr singura is wearing the new ap

star wheel in his new special teacher don't think i didn't catch that tommy buns uh it's a funny

special i do recommend it it is it is funny he spends the first fucking 15 minutes talking

shit about people who ride vespas which is which is quality but yeah no i think this is cool i mean

this is already um a complication that ur work has done before and uh it is sort of halfway between

the ulysse nardin freak and uh the ur work uh whatever their other wandering hours watches

but it's pretty cool so basically this thing in the center uh it spins and then also there's

there's it's a triangle there's three points to it and each each point has a tumbler on it and

those things spin that's cool and then go back up to the to the dial and they all spin together

and then you can see zero to 60 down the right side of the watch so the one that is

pointing upward when it hits the zero and it will remain upward as it as it goes through

to the 60 that's so this watch we have on the screen is is showing 845 um it's pretty sweet

is a pretty fun complication uh oh good it's only a hundred and twenty two thousand dollars

it doesn't sound cheap to engineer no it's not cheap that's pretty clever that is very clever

stuff wow yeah that's those are those are really fun i mean i you know i get why those are very

expensive they're they're made in very small numbers and they're just really fucking cool

is it really thick because it has all this tumbler stuff it was 44 millimeters wide go back to the

it's probably not so thin see if you go go up see technical data on the right let's see what the

case size is it's is 13.77 that is a chunky boy yeah it's a chunky boy it's a we call it a summer

watch short sleeves not not under your not under your long sleeves yeah not terrible like you can

see some shit that gets up to like 15 but yeah uh christian says uh you're how to drive a manual

video did very well would you make a video of teaching someone how to drive a manual a fan

or obviously a female would do numbers i don't think there's benefit to an ought to the audience

there that video is meant to teach you the audience how to drive stick seeing someone else

you know learning i don't think would give the same kind of benefit um

um

gin and tonics gin and tecanic state parkway would i'd ever do a personal garage tour video i mean

no i don't think i don't like the hey look at my stuff um videos and like the cars are all over

the place uh they're at different places and and um it's just i don't know you you know what they are

you don't you don't need to see them i i feel like we do a lot of content like on the podcast

but also we always do a video about each car separately yeah and so just doing the same thing

to bring them all together seems uh redundant there's people that do that stuff and i'm not

trying to knock their hustle like if their content is just about their own cars but

i probably try to keep that stuff to a minimum i feel weird doing it uh johnny e v gearberman

got a 1972 omega c master deville is a hand me down for christmas um it needs a service are there

any instagram watch restores you would recommend better off taking it to my local watch shop i

don't know about instagram restores i would do one of two things take it to your independent

watch shop or send it to my independent watch shop those are the two things um you know if you

live in a major city just just google independent watch service repair uh and find a place with

great ratings fortunately that watch is common enough that there's parts and whatever and it

can be serviced if not shout out to marina bay watch company in marina del way del ray um

ask for mike and you can fed exit in and they'll still work on it um so uh yeah speedy p says oh

oh that was it sorry thanks speedy p but we already kind of did that one earlier in the show

zander davis 15 says what do i do as a civilian to get the knowledge that you gained by getting

the press watches without spending stupid money and buying the wrong watches because they look good

on instagram that is easy you try them on i mean excuse me i should rephrase that is simple not easy

like almost any watch um has a a way to try it on somehow uh you might have to go somewhere

you might have to you know order one that has a return policy uh you might have to find a

watch group where maybe one you know but like the only way to do that is to try the watch on

i was fortunate i got to wear it for like a little while um so i got to um learn a little

more than you might but like most of these watches you you put them on once or you wear them for a

very very short period of time and you kind of get it um that's missing kuntosh part says

what is the worst million dollar plus car that's kind of funny the worst the worst million dollar

plus car well there's probably something out there that's like old rare that we wouldn't

care about that's old for million dollars like something i think the question is trying to get

us to say the worst new yeah you know million dollar car that's i mean i don't want to say

the worst one i think i think i've said on here like where i would put my money if i was going

to buy a million dollar car and where i wouldn't put my money right you know i would buy it like i'd

buy a conic seg although i hear they have reliability issues but they have a lot of new techs of course

they do or uh i mean singers are too expensive for that but you know or a roof like a roof is

worth a million dollars yeah so the cars i'm skipping are the places i would not put my million

dollars yeah um there's that coach built bentley thing i think it was called the bakalaw or something

that was as effectively like a gt convertible with like a kind of a coach built body on it

and that was a million dollars and i that you could have that i'm sure there's like some

mancery cars yeah where the price that's added it's it's you know it's 20 or 50 grand of carbon

but they charge 100 or 200 for it where it adds the price tag and i don't see the value there so

yeah i mean probably the 959 Porsche just because of the service the service costs are so crazy and

there's so few people places you can take it you know we're like the six by six like the crazy

Mercedes wagon that's yeah really dumb yeah a six by six could be the worst million dollar car for

sure yeah uh

there well dray from houston wants a story on a car that there isn't a story on unfortunately

uh a font of a want to go fast you say like Dracula i want to go fast that's not very good

on the w2 11 e 63 amg wagons i'm pretty sure these were sold in the us they just were not

sold in big numbers are you from car and driver about it yeah um they were sold in the us i mean

it's uh there you know fine head studs right e 63's head studs all e 63's other than that

wagons are good mm-hmm you know cheap good loud wagon yeah cheap speed i reviewed the

e 63 non wagon a cut wait can you get a picture of the 2 11 is that the four headlight four eyes

headlight it's it's yeah uh 07 i reviewed that certainly as a sedan so uh that's that's

buried back in there somewhere um that's rad yeah fast wagon is good no no new no new uh

revelations on old e 63's though um

let's see oh that jim kana i do not know the answer i have no idea um can you scroll down zack

chris from colorado says a few episodes ago you talked about this ground up

9 11 t that zack drove you said mileage doesn't matter for a full restoration which makes sense

is it a thing for people to buy aftermarket odometers and started at zero like singer

does that at zero so what should the cutoff be for restarting an odometer i mean once a car

has been like fully torn down to nothing

i don't really give a shit anymore you know like i i think an odometer at zero could be

beneficial like the title might say tmu you know true mileage unknown um it would have to be a

pretty big build gunther singer they they do they do zero mile cars did you know what this one was

did you remember what they're uh the odometer said was it rolled back to zero i had to go

i don't think so i'd have to look at my stuff i don't but i don't think it was rolled back to

zero uh it wouldn't it wouldn't make much of a difference for me please where for me uh please

i don't know i said please there uh what is the um what is the cutoff for me i would say if i if i

was tearing a car down to the shell um i would consider it but if i knew i had an accurate

odometer anyway i might just leave it alone so that i didn't have to do the dmv paperwork and

answer to like somebody later you know i think the car would probably have to be pretty substantially

changed too like if i was restoring it like to factor if it was just old and tired and i was

restoring it to factory i wouldn't restore the i wouldn't do zero miles i mean those cars the

other ones also leave the fact like they leave this building called a singer reimagined by or

whatever yeah so i think you add some of that into it um it's definitely a murky area you know

yeah yeah i mean it is a thing for certain people to start at zero but i wouldn't probably do it

most of the time if i was doing my own build yeah anything else that it no it's a great great well

please don't get drunk and drive home particularly on new years it's bad to do all the time it's really

this episode's airing friday after new years because of what we do tomorrow with nsx

well i hope you had a good news yeah i hope if you're listening to this then you didn't die

on new years so that's good that's that's a baseline you should buy christin's book if you

have kids i'll be sending this to the young people in my life hope zack doesn't mind um and uh yeah

bought the nsx i hope that went well in the future past right yeah uh-huh and uh we'll see you guys later bye

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