S11E01: The Best (and Worst) of EICMA 2025

Breaking news. Highside, lowside, America's favorite motorcycle podcast is back for season 11.

I am Spurgeon Dunbar. However, I am not joined today by my normal co-host, Zachary Courts,

and that's because Zachary had an accident on a motorcycle. Hey, this podcast is named after

the two different ways you can crash a motorcycle. You have a highside, you have a lowside. Zach had

one of those two and is recovering from an accident. So he will be out for the first couple

episodes of this season. Fear not, he will be returning. He is okay in the long run. But in

the meantime, we put our thinking caps on and we came up with some interesting guests to get the

season started. So Ryan F9 will be on the podcast this season talking about his groundbreaking

new documentary. He will be joined by Spencer Robert, our very own producer for CTXP and other

productions like Shop Manual and Daily Rider. We will also have other regular favorites like

Ari Henning and Patrick Garvin to discuss the motorcycle dating game coming back again,

and we might even have our very first ever interview with a prominent motorcycle CEO.

We got to wait and see. Today, however, we are kicking off the season with a fan favorite,

Lance the Silver Fox Oliver, who joined us despite having a cranky old man cough that was

tickling the back of his throat. He was actually a little bit under the weather, but he pulled through

in support of Zach to sit down and talk about Eichma and everything we saw roll out of Italy

last week. We're also going to be discussing RevZilla's 18th birthday. We can vote and you

can't even smoke at 18 anymore. So what are we doing here? But 18th birthday for RevZilla,

bad motorcycle advice from friends and much, much more. Well, I know that Zach is bummed

that he is not here for all the excitement of kicking off a new season. I know that he wishes

as well. He's excited about some of the special guests that we have sitting in for him, and we

can't wait to have him back. Without any further ado, however, welcome to a new season of High

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, cats and dogs,

everyone gathered around the radio, like it's an old time news program from the 1920s. Welcome back

to season 11 of Highside Lowside. I am Spurge, and as you can tell, my co-host today is not

Zach Quartz. It is Lance Oliver who is graciously stepping in. Lance, I want to start by allowing

you to say hello and let the audience know who you are in case they might not be familiar with you.

And then we'll let them know exactly why you're subbing in for Zach Quartz today. So Lance,

welcome to the program. And just a little snippet about who are you, Lance? Why do we have you

here today? Yeah, thanks Spurge. Happy to be back again for my irregular visits to Highside Lowside.

I am the managing editor of Common Tread, which is the editorial brand for all the Komodo companies,

RevZilla, JMP Cycle, Cycle Gear. And so you should check out all of our daily articles

on Common Tread on all three of those websites. All three of the websites. Now, we are officially

publishing on Cycle Gear, which is really cool, which happened, I believe, in between

season 10 and season 11 here for Highside Lowside. The other thing that happened in between season

10 and season 11 is Zach Quartz had a little motorcycle crash. And it's something he and I

talked about. He's like, you know, you should bring it up on the podcast. I mean, the podcast,

after all, is named Highside Lowside, which is two different ways that you could crash a motorcycle.

And I think it was also Zach's desire to bring awareness to the fact that what we do

comes with risk. And Zach was wearing the appropriate motorcycle gear he was wearing,

an airbag he was wearing, a helmet and an array suit and gloves and boots. And he walked away from

the crash ultimately, but he did not walk away completely unscathed. And he, at the time of

recording this, is getting surgery on his ankle. But he is back safe and sound with his family.

We are wishing him a speedy recovery. But in the meantime, a lot of Zach's friends

and co-workers are going to fill in for some different podcast topics. Anyway, Lance,

so we're here to talk about Aikma ultimately. But as you are familiar with, we like to do a little

pre-show warm up for the audience. And I thought a fun one for us to hit on today,

because the entire episode is going to be kind of like motorcycle news is breaking out of Aikma.

It's the 18th birthday of RevZilla.com at the day that this is going live. So

Friday, I believe it's November 14th. Does that sound correct to you?

It sounds so not right.

I don't have a calendar in front of me, but I guess I should know this. But I believe it's

November 14th, which is a Friday when you are potentially listening to this episode.

It's the 18th birthday of RevZilla. And Lance, you have been with the company now for

11 years. Common thread is going into its 11th year. Is that correct?

Yeah, this is the 11th year. We're going to the 12th year.

We're the 11th year. It will hit 12 years in February.

Yeah. I just hit my 12-year anniversary at RevZilla personally earlier this week. So it's

very exciting. So what I wanted to ask you was, in your tenure at the company,

what were some of your fondest memories of working? You don't have to say working with me.

If you wanted to, I'd be happy to hear it. You could flatter. I want you to give me a little

bit of the love back that I like to give you. But if you don't want to say it out loud in front

of all the people, I can understand that too.

No, I got to say that it has been really interesting rewarding watching Spurgeon's

meteoric rise through the ranks at RevZilla since he started out as a gear geek answering phones.

And now he's this high-placed executive with busy schedule meetings and stuff. But for me,

it's just been a lot of fun over the last 11 years doing what I pretty much would do anyway.

People say, are you thinking about retiring? If I retired, I'd probably just ride some motorcycles

and write some stuff about it. The only difference is I wouldn't get paid for it.

So there's not a lot of incentive for me to retire really. Probably wouldn't look much

different from my day now. But the most gratifying thing for me is that when I came back in those

days of RevZilla, when it was moving from its original scrappy little startup stage into a more

established bigger company, and people then thought, oh man, the change around here is just so huge

and rapid. It's changed so much. And now if you look back at it, that's not even a fraction of the

change that's happened over the last 18 years. But the most gratifying thing for me was being able

to walk in the door and being told, here's, look, we want to create basically an online magazine.

We want to create content. We need somebody who's done it before. Tell us how to do it. And I took

over and it was so rewarding to be able to build something from scratch and to be able to do things

the way I thought was the right way to do things. And it was to my benefit that nobody else in the

company at that time really had that particular experience. So nobody ever said, well, we can't

do it that way because that's not the way we've always done it here at RevZilla because nobody's

ever done it there. So it was actually very gratifying to build something from scratch and see

that it's been successful. And I never imagined I'd still be doing it 11 years later because I've

never done anything else for 11 years. But here we are.

Yeah, I think it's funny. We were talking about this today internally in a meeting,

but this is the longest I've ever been at a company before. I've been here for 12 years

almost to the day. And it's been just an incredible ride. I know that some of the fun

moments for me, and I'm not sure if we shared this story publicly, but I would just say in

general, the people that I've gotten to work with, yourself included. So before I started at

RevZilla, I was an avid reader of Motorcycle magazines, and I read stories from Ari Henning and

Zach Quartz and yourself. And the story I always thought was really interesting was I,

as a younger man, read this story about a guy that went motorcycle camping in, I believe,

West Virginia on his Triumph Speed Triple and woke up in a snowstorm. And I thought to myself,

and it was just this crazy story, and it was just a simple little piece. And it really stuck with

me about the adventures that you can find on a motorcycle. And I come to learn years later

that Lance actually wrote that article, published it in Rider Magazine. I read the article before

it, any idea who Lance Oliver was. And then fast forward to working with Lance for the last 11

years. And it's just been moments like that where it's always really, really fun to experience the

fact that I get to work with people now that I used to really look up to in the pages of their work.

And now we're friends and colleagues, and it's been one thing after another of it's a lot of

hard work, but there's also a lot of moments like that where you get to pinch yourself and be like,

this is cool, I get to do this for a living. Yeah, it's been quite a ride.

Quite a ride. I feel like we should probably do some kind of a long term producer chase. If you're

listening, you should probably think about something as we're going into the 20th anniversary,

two years from now, we'll build out a runway of like most memorable things that have happened.

And we can kind of highlight it because it's like, I was trying to think about the list of

events and like, I've shot a video with producer Chase on a beach in Morocco in front of an

abandoned palace. And I got to go to India with Zach and ride to the highest road in the world.

I just got back from riding dirt bikes in Utah with Ari Henning for a work event where we just

got to go out and ride dirt bikes with Wilderness Collective. And like, I think about this stuff

and in the moment, you're not really appreciating it maybe as fully. And when you look back on

what you've done over the past 11 or 12 years, it's like, man, it's just been so much fun.

And we're really, really, really lucky. And we're lucky because we have audience members like you

that allow us to do this stuff and come along for the ride. And so Lance, let's get into...

Okay. Yeah, let's talk motorcycles.

With the audience that might not know, Lance, what is Aikma and why should they care? Why is

this groundbreaking news? So this is a big show every year. It's actually, there's bicycle stuff too.

I mean, motorcycle is probably the biggest now, biggest show in the world. And it's where a lot

of the manufacturers, not only in motorcycles themselves, but also gear and other accessories

and parts and things, will sort of introduce their new stuff to the industry. So it's always

a busy time of year for us because we have a lot of announcements coming out all in one week of new

things that are hitting the market. So it's always a busy and exciting time. Yeah, it's interesting

because as we're recording this, it's the last official day of the press day. You and Dustin

have been kind of finger on the pulse, Dustin Wheeling, our colleague over at Common Tread.

And we have a Slack channel going at the moment with like, if there's any last minute news popping

through, he's kind of sending us messages. But I feel like we have a pretty good look.

One of the things that we didn't want to do with this episode was focus on other bikes that have

been announced recently. We have another episode coming later in the season where we'll talk a

bit more about new models we're excited for for 26. But like, for example, we're not going to go

heavy on the Triumph models that are rolling out because those are technically not really tied

to AICMA. We want to really focus on what are we seeing roll out from AICMA and what are we excited

about? First and foremost, things that stood out to us is the first umbrella topic. And Lance,

I'm going to give you guest honors because I know you're my co-host today, but you're also

one of my favorite guests. So guest honors, what was one of the things that stood out to you

from AICMA this year that you want to kick off the conversation with?

Well, I thought I'd start out with a motorcycle that I think personally is very interesting and

also was a little bit surprising to me. And that's the Suzuki SV7 GX, which, you know, a few years

ago when Suzuki started bringing in their 800 cc parallel twin engines and bringing out those models

a lot of people just assumed that the writing was on the wall for the SV650, which

podcast listeners will remember was one of the iconic motorcycles that was chosen for

treated with its own special podcast. So it's been around for a quarter of a century. It's a

beloved motorcycle. But a lot of us thought, well, maybe, you know, we're in the last days of the

old SV650. But instead, Suzuki keeps coming up with new ways to keep it alive. And this year,

we saw the SV7 GX, which is the same 645 ccv twin engine, the same kind of trellis frame,

which I personally love. But they've upgraded it considerably. It's got, you know, new electronics,

ride modes, traction control, a bi-directional quick shifter. They made some changes to the

engine to allow it to be compliant with the European emissions regulations. It's upgraded with, you

know, a full color display. So it's really come into the modern, modern time. And if you're,

I'm sure we'll put a photo up. But for those who are listening to the podcast, think of

sort of a half faring, upright, what Suzuki calls a crossover. I'm not sure I love that word. But,

you know, sort of a sport touring bike. But is this going to be, this isn't going to be replacing

the SV650, is it? Well, I'm not 100% sure. We did confirm with Suzuki that it is coming to the

United States. I don't expect it to be a replacement. I expect it to be an addition. But then, you know,

every year, we're never sure. But we did confirm that it is coming to the US market and it will

be here in the middle of next year. So I think it's just a really interesting model. And I'm

happily surprised that Suzuki is still sticking with that tried and true and much beloved

between engine and coming out with something new. And I'm really interested in getting to see it.

Yeah. So I think from an aesthetic standpoint, it looks really cool. It's kind of a, it's much more

unique than I think sometimes you would see from, you know, an updated product line like that.

I am really interested to see how they continue to differentiate their lineup,

right? Because they do have that parallel twin right now, which is really playing in the same

category. So they're creating two separate power plants. And you have to wonder how much of that

is just for the nostalgia of people that like the idea of a V-twin still.

Yeah. I think some of us, I think some people are going to want to buy this because of the engine.

I also think that there is at least, say, a little bit of differentiation between this and

something like the smaller V-Strom because the SV has the 17-inch wheels. It's more fully street

focused. It's not really trying to lean into that adventure direction. Yeah. So I like this

as a pick. I also like this because, you know, one of the things that you had talked about was the

fact that this is coming to the United States. And I think as we are two individuals that reside

in the U.S., you know, a lot of what you can sometimes see at EICMA, you know, doesn't necessarily

pan out for us. And we'll get into a little bit more of that later on. One of the things that

struck my fancy was, you know, kind of talking about the adventure world.

You know, BMW did finally launch the F450 GS. Now, for those of you that are saying, well,

hey, wait a second, you know, BMW actually announced this last year at EICMA. You wouldn't be wrong.

But we're actually looking at what is, you know, a more production ready model. But

we're also not going to be getting this bike until 2027, apparently. So like,

what is your take on like this, you know, just iterative tease? Like, why is it taking BMW

so long to get this F450 GS to market? And, you know, I will say this, if you're not familiar

with what this bike is, there's a lot of excitement around the small displacement, you know, adventure

category right now. You know, we saw Kawasaki introduce a KLE 500, which we're not going to

really get into because it was announced before EICMA. But like, this is a bike that's going to be,

you know, just around, you know, claimed 48 horsepower, sub 400 pounds, you know, and it's

just like a small shrunk down version of a GS. And it's kind of the update to the 310 that

everybody's been waiting for a bike that Lance, I know you are a you are a fan of the outgoing 310.

Yeah, but this is such a jump ahead from the 310. It's, you know, got so many features that the

the G310 just doesn't have. So it's really quite a change. It's got, you know, the ride modes and

centrifugal clutch. So it's really quite a different bike.

So I would say if we're looking at this, you know, one of the things that I know you and I talked

about was like the, you know, the trickle down technology of this. And like, you know, I'm looking

at pictures right now, it really does seem like this is, you know, using a lot of the technology

that BMW has become known for. And it's just in a, it's just in a smaller package at this point

in time. So like, you know, again, because so much of this technology already exists, like,

is there like, why, why is this taking so long to come to market? Like, that's my only, that's my

only issue here. Like that's not my only, I have another issue too, but we'll get to that in a

second. No, that I don't know. Honestly, I wouldn't even, I couldn't even give you an intelligent

speculation on why they're dragging this out for years. But that's what it's like.

Do you want one? Do you want, now, if I, if you could have a brand new 450 GS or a brand new SV,

SV7 GX, which ones, which ones Lance Oliver are going to pick?

Well, I mean, the Suzuki is more suitable to my particular riding profile.

I know, you just sold your, you sold your VFR and you need something to replace it with.

Exactly. You bought it, you bought a Kawasaki 300 SM. I don't know if the audience is aware

of that, but that's your, that's your most recent purchase. So, you know, maybe you don't,

maybe you don't need the, the F450 anymore, and you're going to go with this Suzuki. I'm trying

to see if you're going to buy any of these bikes Lance. Come on, let us know.

No, we'll see. We'll see. I got it. I got to check them out first.

One of the things, speaking of checking them out, if you have not been paying attention,

the internet is really coming down on BMW for this one because they're using AI generated images

for the launch of this, which isn't anything new for BMW, but they decided to basically stage

a bunch of riders in what looks to be like an abandoned amusement park. And some of the photos

are showing the bike doing some really ridiculous stuff. And, you know, I think AI is one of those

conversations that we're thinking about. Ikema is all about new things. AI is, is technology

that's really kind of taken the world by storm. And there's a lot of people out there that feel

that it's very polarizing. And I think one of the issues with the artwork here is that it's

one thing to use AI as a tool. We use AI as a tool, right? You're going to see a holiday video come

out with Pat McHugh and myself and our newest host, Ewan dressed as an elf for a Christmas

story remake. But like, we're not, we're not staging it in a way that's like,

supposed to feel real. We're using it to be goofy and silly and weird, which is kind of like,

you know, an acceptable use of AI as far as I'm concerned. But I think a lot of the critiques

here are you're taking jobs away from actual riders and photographers. And not only that,

like if people want to see what the bike can actually do, and that's my biggest problem,

like these are AI generated images. This doesn't actually tell me if the new F450GS can jump off

a flight of stairs in an amusement park. Yeah, there's, it's certainly been a hot

topic on common thread as people weigh in on the use of AI. And I'll be interested to see if BMW

decides to stick with it or if they're going to maybe reconsider. I don't know. It's, it's,

definitely a hot topic. Yeah, I think, I mean, I get that they're, they're probably saving a few

dollars from photo shoots and stuff. But like, it just seems like part of, part of what you need

from launch photos is legitimately showing the public what your bike can do. And by, by putting

these through AI, it just seems like it's a bit, a bit of a reach, if you will. Yeah. Well, I mean,

I was just on a BMW press intro for, you know, one of their organized events when they introduced

the R1300RT. And, you know, nothing, nothing has changed as far as that goes when it comes time

to actually provide the motorcycles for us, the motorcycle media to test. And, you know, we still

have good old human photographer like Kevin Wing out there taking pictures of us and, and doing video

and that sort of thing. So it's really these materials that are prepared in advance before

the motorcycles actually come to market that are the, are the topic. I don't think, and I do hope

that we're not going to get to the point where, I mean, I hope I'm not going to be replaced by AI

just yet, but we'll see. Well, I can promise you that as long as I am, you know, running the content

side of things here, as we go into our, as we head into our 19th year, I am not planning on

replacing you with a robot because you're just, you're too darn cute in a robot. It just doesn't

bring that kind of, you know, warm and fuzzies to our, to our weekly conversations over on Common

Tread. Speaking of warm and fuzzies Lance, what's your second pick? Well, so it's kind of a broader

topic that I've seen from the small examples of it. I think about this year that I wanted to

sort of pull together because I think it's an interesting trend. One of the things that a lot

of our readers over at Common Tread complained about now and then is that they, they may want

certain features, certain, you know, new technology or higher level of components and things like that.

And what usually happens is you don't get those if you buy a smaller or inexpensive motorcycle,

just because you want, you know, top level traction control or ABS or whatever, doesn't mean

you necessarily want to buy a big motorcycle or an expensive motorcycle. Lance, tell the, tell you,

you want cruise control on a Transalp, don't you? I, you know, I'm not, I'm not the cruise control

fanatic that a lot of our readers are. Hang on, you took, you, you were doing like 500 mile days

on a Transalp. 600 mile a day on the Transalp. Yeah. And you didn't find yourself being like, man,

I wish that I had, for those of you that are listening, I'm flopping my right, my right

wrist around. Like you don't, you didn't want cruise control at all. It would have been nice.

It would have been nice. I'm not as absolutist on the issue as some of our readers are, but anyway,

what I, what I've seen this year at ICMA that I think is really great is some of the smaller

and less expensive motorcycles are getting sort of the trickle down technology to give you a few

examples. One that I thought was really interesting is Yamaha's come out new for 2026 is a WR 125R,

which is a small lightweight dual sport motorcycle. Nothing unusual there so far,

but it actually has variable valve actuation. So I don't know. I was trying to think I'm

probably missing something, but I don't know of another motorcycle with a 125 CC engine that's small

and especially also with a 3999 MSRP that has variable valve timing. I think that's

a genuine expansion of that technology to more accessible. What's the benefit there?

Okay. So yeah, for people who are wondering what it's all about, basically what that means is

the engine has two different cam profiles for the intake valves and it can use one at low RPM

and another one at high RPM. So you don't have to choose when you're tuning an engine, you don't

have to choose, well, do we want to make it optimized for high RPM use or do we want to

make it optimized for low RPM use? You can have a little bit of both. So you get a broader spread

of power, which is obviously more important when you have a small engine like a 125, like in this

particular Yamaha. It's pretty much the same approach that was on the BMW R1300RT I just wrote

a couple thousand miles on, but that's a $31,000 motorcycle. It's not a surprise to find variable

valve timing on a $31,000 motorcycle. It's a little bit of a surprise to me to find it on a $4,000

motorcycle and I'm really happy to see that. Another example, you were talking about the

the BMW 450 F450 GS and again, having spent time recently on the G310 GS looking at this one,

it has so many more features that have trickled down from the bigger, more expensive bikes on the

in the BMW line, whereas the G310 had ABS and that's about it as far as rider aids.

It had an LCD screen, nothing fancy. This new 450 has a full color six and a half inch TFT display.

It's got ride modes. It's got traction control. It's got the centrifugal clutch,

but also the manual clutch you can use. If you don't want the centrifugal clutch, you can override

it. It's just so much more feature laden. Is the centrifugal clutch their version of the auto,

like the automatic? It's not exactly the same, but basically you can come to a stop.

It won't stall out. It's just like riding a scooter where you come to a stop and the centrifugal

clutch disengages, so you're not going to stall the engine, but you still have the clutch lever.

If you're riding off-road and you're in a situation where having some fine control with the clutch

lever is useful, you can override the automatic function and still use a clutch as normal.

Again, these are all features that aren't new to BMW or new to motorcycles, but they're

moving into new, more accessible classes. Another example, the Aprilia RS457 GP replica,

which is a new model they're coming out with. It's their RS457 sport bike, but they made it

to look like their MotoGP bike, but they fit it in standard with a quick shifter.

Quick shifters are something that we're seeing. The BMW, the F450 also has a quick shifter,

so we're seeing quick shifters drift down into these 400 class bikes.

These beginner bike classes are now getting like this high.

Yeah, they're starting to get the advantage of some of this technology that you used to have to

buy the fancy flagship sport bike to get. Yamaha also redid their R7 this year and

gave it a little bit of a freshened up look, but beyond that, they added a bunch of technology to

that one too. Let me ask you this. How are they differentiating then?

You and I had the discussion around the Africa twin and the Trans Alp.

Part of that always comes back to like, well, they've got to leave some of the technology on

the bigger ones so that people have something to bump up to more than just displacement.

I guess for me, if I'm looking at it, I don't see much of a downside here because it's already

a throttle by wire system on something like the Trans Alp. If people want the Africa twin and all

the extra size and power and prestige that comes with it, they're going to buy that.

I don't think not having a cruise control on the Trans Alp is really going to sway

people to size down. Why aren't we seeing more of this permeate in some of the middle weight

bikes that are out there? $10,000 for a Trans Alp is still $10,000.

Yeah. I mean, I think that it's obviously different companies have different philosophies

on this and some of them want to take that approach and try to upsell consumers to the

more expensive models. I think what we're seeing here though is what I'm applauding with this

is that some other manufacturers are saying, no, we're going to take this technology that we've

already developed and we're going to spread it down the model lines and give it to more people.

Yeah. I think it's probably just some companies have different approaches to that issue than others

and I'm applauding the ones that are giving those of us who aren't buying the flagship motorcycles

the opportunity to still have the advantage of some of this technology that's very proven.

That's very selfish right now because you're not the guy buying flagship motorcycles and so you

want all of the benefit of people buying flagship motorcycles in your tiny non-flagship bikes that

are lining your garage right now. I agree with people who say that you shouldn't have to buy

more motorcycle than you want just to get a feature that you want or even more importantly,

safety technology that you want. It's just not the way I want things

to be. Yeah. I'm right there with you. I think it's going to be interesting to see how this plays

out across other manufacturers and if you can get more of that high-end technology and higher.

We've talked about this with suspension in the past too. I want a really good suspension but I

don't want to have to buy a bigger bike. I just want that really high-end suspension on something

that's a little bit more middleweight. It'll be exciting to see if this continues and speaking

about technology, my next pick goes, I know I was just poking some fingers at Honda for the

Transalp and not having cruise control, but then Honda comes out and the bike that we saw and we've

seen them tease this before but it looks like they have a little bit more of a concrete version of

this is a concept that they're calling the V3R900E compressor. We have pictures of the prototype of

this. This is a V3 engine, roughly 900cc and it's got an electric supercharger. A traditional

supercharger would run off of the crank of the engine and would actually drain a little bit of

power while producing more power. What's cool about this is that it's an electronic compressor

that basically allows a 900 triple V to act like a power of a V4. Am I pretty much explaining that

correctly Lance? Yeah, they said their goal was to take a 900cc engine and have it produce the power

of a 1200cc engine. If you want to look at it that way, a 900 triple would be producing the power of

1200cc V4. So before all of the listeners out there start heading to their keyboards to comment

about how well Spurgeon doesn't like turbo Bruce but now he's arguing for an E compressor and

Zach was right all along and we should have turbos on motorcycles. I don't like turbos because

turbo lag is still a problem and in the automotive industry we've gotten away from some turbo lag

with twin turbos where you have turbos that operate at lower RPM and higher RPM and you can

kind of tune them so that you're not getting this high end spike of a turbo but that's complicated

on a motorcycle. I like superchargers because superchargers have historically been a bit more

even in their power delivery as the engine spins up so does the supercharger and more power is

evenly spread across the rev range. This in theory would give you more power across the

entire rev range not be sucking power away from the engine and there's not much not to like here

as far as I can. Is there something I'm missing? Is there something that I shouldn't be liking about

this? No I mean I think it's uh I think it makes a way more sense than a turbo. I agree with you on

that. Thank you. So you're saying Zach was wrong all along and turbos do not belong on motorcycles.

Say it Lance, say it he's not here. He's not here Lance. I would say that I'm not interested

in turbos on motorcycles. I'm not going to say that nobody should get turbos. I want you to just

come on. Say it. No somebody out there wants a turbo on a motorcycle. You and I may not understand

that they should. I want Zach at home healing listening to this being like I can't believe I

left for an episode and now they're telling me I'm wrong. I'm not there to defend myself. Anyway

keep going. I'm sorry. But yeah the electric operating function is really good in the sense

that yeah it's just like you can make a fan run any speed you want. It just takes a small amount

of electrical controls to make this compressor blow whatever pressure you want. It doesn't it's

not related to engine speed. You know you can make it provide pressure whether the engine is an idle

or whether it's a red line or whatever or anywhere in between. It's irrelevant. So that that is a

huge advantage and I agree with you on that. Well here's what I like about it and we were talking

Lance and I were talking a little bit before the podcast. You know it's cool and concept but like

this is you know Zach and I were talking a little bit ago and it's hard because we were

doing some pre-show work before his injury and one of the things we were talking about in some

pre-show work was like Honda's show of force. When Honda wants to, Honda can do pretty much

anything they want to do because they are so big and they are so smart and they are so talented

and yet we've seen them kind of play it safe over the last few years and like I miss the 90s

Honda's right. Like I miss stuff coming out that was wacky and weird and left of center and they

were just pulling out all the stops in the R&D department and they gave us you know recently

like an NC 700 that has acclaimed like 70 miles per gallon and they've definitely you know kind of

gone in a safer direction with their designs but like a V3R like a V3 engine with a electronic

you know supercharger like this is cool. I like this because it's weird, it's wacky and it's

something that no one else is doing and that's what I like when Honda comes up with this stuff.

So like I'm excited that Honda is bringing something like this back and I hope to see it

maybe continue. So that's kind of where my pick is on this one. Would you buy one Lance?

Would you replace your VFR with a V3? No, I mean I think it's fun. I think it's interesting. I think

it's probably a good exercise maybe for the engineers and such but you know my feeling is that we don't

need to find ways to make more power for our motorcycles. We already have to have traction

control and wheelie control and everything else to keep ourselves from looping ourselves over and

smacking our heads on the ground all the time as it is. So I don't know that that we necessarily

need this but I understand that it gets people excited and it's fun and it's probably a good

exercise in engineering for the for the staff so you know I'm all for it. I just don't necessarily

feel like I need that myself. Well I know that I know that Honda released an audio

audio clip of this as well and if I was producer Chase I would have picked that for the Edge of

Sound guessing game because I think it'd be interesting to hear so we can play an audio

clip of what this V3R900 E compressor prototype sounds like because Honda did release that

with the unveiling of the prototype at Aikmah

and I think Lance this is one that we're pretty much guaranteed at this point is this one coming

I mean it's still very much in the prototype stage whether or not

what format will come out and and when I wouldn't I wouldn't bet my life on

wouldn't bet his life on it I don't know all right well what would you what would you bet

your life on Lance what else what's your what's your final little thing that stood out to you

from Aikmah before we shift gears? Yeah another thing that I think struck me a little bit looking

at new models for Aikmah is the the continued rise of the Asian manufacturers and you know

people sometimes complain that we write a lot about Chinese motorcycles or whatever people

have political reasons for feeling like I don't want to I don't want to deal with that or don't

want to even know about it but there's a lot happening in in Asia and one of the things that

was shown at Aikmah was the CF Moto V4SRR prototype. It has little wings on it that now you have wings

that are they they move they're moving. It has active aerodynamics which you which can either

be set to operate automatically or you can operate them manually. I don't know if you can

operate them manually in such a way that you can actually take off in a tame flight I don't know

about that I would not want to try it but. Is this actually going to move the needle for anyone?

No the significance the significance of this to me is again it goes back to the where you're

talking about with what you know what Honda does because they can do it. This is a show of

force this is saying look we can build a 210 horsepower V4 superbike that weighs 400 pounds or

whatever it does and we're not this backwards little Chinese company making scooters that

smoke and you know break down by the side of the road and I think it's a statement more than

more than a no it's not going to move the needle it's not going to it's not what's going to become

the mainstay of their motorcycle line or anything like that but it's a statement and and you know

it says that the company is ambitious and similarly along the lines I was looking at

what we saw for Royal Enfield at Ikeba and again totally different totally different kind of lineup

but Royal Enfield has just been charging ahead with introducing new models with updating their

models this year we saw they they upgraded they put the 650 cc twin engine in the bullet

now we haven't had the Royal Enfield bullet in the United States for about five years

traditionally that that motorcycle has been around since 1932 people now how many motorcycles

have been around since 1932 so when you change a motorcycle that's been around since 1932

it's it's news to someone out there and yeah now it's it's got the 650 they showed the prototype

of their 750 Himalayan which I think is interesting and and we haven't gotten news that that's

actually coming but we like a parallel twin Himalayan like that's a big deal yeah it's a

bigger adventure bike for the for the brand it's I expect I fully expect that you know come this

time next year it'll be out for real because that's sort of been the time timeline that we've been

seeing but help but pause pause for one second so like do you remember when the Himalayan got

updated to the 450 recently and people were really upset about it because like the Himalayan came

out originally and it was kind of like you know antiquated technology but there's a sub there's

a subgroup that like they loved it because of what it was and then they they added some you

know new technology to it for the last iteration and people were like what the hell and they didn't

want that so like do we think that traditional Himalayan owners want this bike to get bigger?

Well there's a lot of different owners out there in a lot of different countries and

you know the the reason that they kept selling 500 cc single cylinder bullets for you know

almost a century was because people kept buying them in India but they stopped buying them elsewhere

so I'm sure the 750 Himalayan is going to be you know not it's not going to be a big seller in

the home market but it's going to be something that's going to interest a lot of people

in other in other markets and yeah I there's always there's always that subset that says yeah I

want to be able to fix my motorcycle on the side of the road with you know an adjustable Swiss Army

knife a pen spring and yeah you're going to MacGyver the hell out of it. Yeah and and those people

are out there but I don't think they're the hugest demographic. All right well I want to

we'll circle back around a little bit to to some of the foreign market stuff here in a minute I really

think you know Zach and I produced the episode last I believe it was last season about you know

some of the the different Chinese manufacturers and it was really impressive to realize like

CF Moto has just been you know a brand for so long and while they've you know it's been slow to bring

the the motorcycle market to North America I think they've been a brand in North America for like

25 years if my my vague memory is correct but like to be able to see them bring a 210 horsepower V4

motorcycle to market when it was less than five years ago that they were bumping up into

you know the middleweight segment in general with you know with with some of the bikes that

they were displaying like it really is impressive from from that standpoint and I'll be really

excited to see exactly how CF Moto continues to evolve as a company we've been we've been really

impressed with a lot of what they're doing and it's a it's a great brand to kind of watch and

keep a pulse on Royal Enfield as as well. My last pick before we take a quick break Roof.

So Roof is a motorcycle helmet manufacturer out of France and there was a little video clip

that got released so I think it's important to note that while Lance and I are sitting here waxing

poetic about all the motorcycles and motorcycle specific technology Eichma is also a place where

a lot of our RevZilla merchandising team is in Italy right now talking to other people about

like what are the new products coming out because it's a great place where new products get released

and they're all the different apparel manufacturers are there and I had a kid last weekend we were

doing trick-or-treat at my house for Halloween and I was dressed as a giant chicken my my little

son was a was a chick and I was the rooster my wife was the chicken and then we had an egg

so maybe I'll throw a Halloween costume up there but I'm getting distracted aside from a loving

photo of our family dressed up as chickens we had a kid come to the door dressed as Ironman

and he was really excited to like show us his costume and he had this helmet on and he's like

can we can I if I show you my costume you know can I get a piece of candy I was like I'll give you

two pieces of candy go ahead show me your costume and he pushed a button on his helmet

and the Ironman helmet like flipped up and retracted and did all the crazy

Ironman helmet in the actual movie did and it was cool I was like that's a that's a really cool

toy toys have come a long way since I was a kid and I have a kid now so I'm excited about toys all

over again right and I was like this is this helmet's cool and the fact that like it's affordable

enough that you can you know get it for a Halloween costume is even more so

and then at Eichmann Roof Helmets has a helmet on display and whether or not this goes into

production is another story but it's a helmet where you like you push a button and the whole helmet

like transforms around your head so in theory you could put the helmet on and push a button and it

wraps itself around your noodle and I thought that was a pretty cool piece of technology we're

living in a world we're like every now and then there's a new piece of gear that comes out Alpine

Stars has been doing it with airbags we've seen some interesting takes on rotational impact protection

for helmets but nobody's really changed the way a helmet works in the fact that like in theory

you push a button and the whole thing like just wraps itself around you I thought it was pretty cool

yeah I would like to see that

I had my doubts about how much it weighs yeah I mean that's the other thing too right like

but it's interesting I was doing a little bit a little bit of research and like

Roof has got you know a couple I don't personally love the aesthetics of the helmets I will say

that out loud I think they look kind of kind of goofy but I'm sure there's people out there that

like the way that they look and some of the stuff that they're touting is like lightest full face

helmet in the world lightest you know modular in the world so like you know maybe maybe they'll

they figure out a way to you know use modern technology and make this thing you know be

lightweight and kind of a groundbreaker in how it works but we'll have to wait and see and

it's a it was just an interesting concept and that's kind of what Eichmas is cool is every now

and then you see something that gets dropped or announced there and you're like oh wow yeah the

motorcycle is always you know get get the attention in the headlines but it's a much bigger it's

bigger than that you know it's it's the industry not just there's all this other stuff we need

to be able to ride our motorcycles and we got to have it so speaking of that we were going to take

a quick break but we will be back with what we would have liked to see to see that maybe we

didn't see um what we would have liked to have learned uh heard you know some of the things we

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Lance we left off with you know kind of a look at what we were excited to learn about for Mike Ma

you know one of the things that we're always kind of left with is like a little bit of

disappointment you know we hoped that we were gonna get that specific bike and we didn't get it so

what was you know let's do like two each you know and I think it bears mention

as we're as we're saying this that like this is not meant to be a holistic list of every single

thing that was released at Ikema right like if you're sitting here screaming at your radio

dials being like you didn't talk about the zero XB XE no we didn't there's a common tread article

there's lots of common tread articles you can check out common tread for

all the Ikema coverage but this is more of just like a holistic look at things that we

liked and some things that we felt were missing so I think it's probably good to say that right

up front right like this is not sure everything that Ikema was announced that would be an eight

hour podcast and we don't have time for that you're you're barely poor poor Lance all over

Zach Cortes is at home with broken bones recovering from surgeries and and screaming at

his radio dials he listens to Lance sub-inform and talking about how Lance hates turbos too and

that Zach was wrong I'm just paraphrasing Zach but Lance is sick if you can't hear in his voice

the poor the poor man is barely hanging on he's over there coughing and sneezing and wheezing

and he's doing his best to get through this podcast and I just want to say thank you uh on

behalf of Zach uh who's who's really excited that you were able to fill in for him and we could

keep the podcast moving for our audience you're a trooper Lance and I really really appreciate

you sticking with it it's not the healthiest that the common tread team has ever been I will say that

we're we're hanging on by a thread man hanging on by a thread um Lance what did you want to

see at Ikema that you didn't see well I'm probably going to set myself up to look silly for this one

because uh by the time this podcast comes out we may have the answer to this but as of this moment

we do not have the answer to this and the question on my mind is are we it meaning the US market

going to get the Honda CB1000F and the CB1000 GT now if you're not familiar with those motorcycles

we did have an article on common tread about the CB1000F the GT was shown also at at Ikema

the F is a retro model it's based on the Honda CB1000 Hornet which I got a chance to

ride earlier this summer and but it's it's it's a definite retro a couple years ago I had a chance

to ride a 1983 CB1100F that's owned by our friend Ken Condon who lives not too far from me and

that was this this bike is a spitting image of that it's it looks exactly like that if think back

if you if you're old enough to remember Freddie Spencer in the 1980s winning AMA superbike on a

CB750 that's the look in fact they even have the one of the color options is the silver with the

blue stripe just like good old fast freddy so it's a it's a bike that when they showed it at the

eight hours of Suzuka got a lot of attention we had an article in common tread about it a lot of

our readers think it's a handsome piece and so you know the question is we have an article about

you riding the 83 CB1000. Yes I did an article about the chance to ride I got to ride he has an

83 CB1100F but he also has the 83 Eddie Lawson replica the Kawasaki okay so we rode the back

to back which was quite instructive but yeah that's another I misspoke I said CB1000 or CB1100 back

yeah so that was 1100 but this was the CB1000 but

the interesting part of that is another story we had recently on common tread was

our colleague Dustin who was spending some time in Japan got to ride the Yamaha XSR 900 GP

which is you know another bike that has a livery paying honor to a famous U.S.

racer in that case Wayne Rainey back in you know the early 90s and they don't sell it in the United

States so Lance you're stealing you're stealing mine now stick to your damn Honda's Lance stick to

him so my question is now are we going to have another my talking points here is that course

would never do that how dare you I know well you know actually better you better get him back as

soon as you can but yeah are we going to have a repeat of that with the CB1000 that's my question

and then the the other model is interesting too the CB1000 GT that's so that's more of a sport touring

type of upright bike again based on the same platform as the Hornet but it has the

you know half fairing and and it's got the electronic suspension so it's you know it's more

more fully equipped with the bells and whistles and more very very modern so

the both of those are we got to see them in Aikma but the question is are we going to actually get

them here so that's that's the unanswered question at the moment recording this maybe by the time this

is out we'll already know well I hope that it I hope that it's it's it comes out because I you

mentioned in the beginning like you might look silly and I like it when you look silly but

this is also a podcast there's magical ways that we could punch in and change everything

we're talking about if we wanted to but we won't we'll we'll let this one ride and I think mine

again jokingly I was I was stopping you because my my thing that I would have liked to have seen

learn heard um and I didn't was the same thing from Yamaha right like you mentioned the the

XSR 900 GP are we getting that in the United States doesn't doesn't seem like it why are we not

getting that bike I want that bike in the United States and and and I also am looking at all these

new 10 array 700 variants like I think they just came out with a new world raid version

and I was really hoping that Aikma this year they're going to say hey guess what

we're bringing these bikes to the United States and I don't know why they're not I don't know why

Yamaha specifically is just leaving some of these bikes out of the US market and it's and it's

frustrating especially around like those two particular models the XSR 900 GP and then the

different variants of the 10 array because there's like multiple variations of the 10 array at this

point and with the US market we're really just getting you know the one which seems kind of

like short-sighted well I mean I think what we have to remember and what we don't automatically

think of is that we're kind of small potatoes in the global motorcycle market no I think about

that all the time I'm I'm aware you know yeah we we're used to being the the oh the United States

is the global dominant superpower the biggest economy in the world and blah blah blah but in

motorcycle terms we're not buying motorcycles not by we're just small and and if you look at the

percentages of uh some of these you know multi-national corporations uh revenues that

come from the United States the percentage that comes from here is pretty small so at some point

you say yeah we could we could bring four versions of the 10 array to the United States but it's

going to cost us X and we're going to gain Y is it is it worth our while and yeah I don't know

I agree with you it still seems a little strange to have a Wayne Rainey replica not sold in the

country that Wayne Rainey is you know the a national motorcycling hero but uh whatever

I think I guess I could understand you know Triumph recently and this was pre Eichman news

like they discontinued the screw triple R which bummed me out because it was a great motorcycle for

like 10,600 but they're saying you know what we're going to we're going to bring in this new Trident

800 this is going to replace it we're going to leave the RS and I'm guessing that a lot of

that had to do with sales too they were importing both bikes but most people were probably sitting

there on the showroom floor bumping up to the RS because it looks a little bit cooler I mean

we're we're guilty of it uh you know during the high settlers I break uh we went out and bought a

screw triple RS in uh in cosmic yellow because I really like that color as a

bike to have here uh in the high side low side studios um but like I just feel like with the

10 array specifically bringing in like the top of the lion version of that bike to the US

where the US is if they are going to buy bikes you know we're going to buy adventure bikes we're

going to buy the bigger one we're going to spend a little bit more money and get the one that we

want like I just can't imagine that like that is a bad option to import you know sure that's I guess

that's where I'm leaning there so make sense but we don't need to so the bikes that we're not getting

in the US aside uh Honda Yamaha you know what what's going to happen here I think Honda we

probably have a better chance of getting those bikes I don't see I don't see any late breaking

surprise announcements that Yamaha is bringing their models in so all right Lance outside of that

you get one more pick what's one other thing that you would have liked to have seen at Aikma

that you did not see well this is a little bit cheating because I didn't expect to see this at

Aikma but we certainly most certainly didn't um I was I have been watching closely on the

it's really interesting times over there if you haven't been reading our stories on comment

tread and you you know maybe check out the story about how you know we have a new the company has

a new CEO coming in from outside the industry and on Tuesday I this week so it'll be a little bit

later than that one when you actually listen to this they had their first quarterly conference

called financial results with the new CEO talking and he said some interesting stuff one of the things

that we've been waiting for was when is Harley Davidson going to come out with their new sprint

model which is going to be their new accessible affordable motorcycle which according to what

we were told earlier this year would would be in the six thousand dollar range we don't know what

it's going to be but it's going to be called the sprint uh during this week's conference call the

new CEO already stars said that uh it was going to be out in the second half of next year now I

didn't really expect to get more information on that at Aikma usually Harley doesn't you know

focus on Aikma as a way to introduce their their new stuff but they did come out with uh what they

called chapter one of their reveal of their 2026 model line and basically chapter one was uh you

the less interesting stuff the stuff that pretty much carries over from before

and they say chapter two is not going to come out to January 14th so apparently we've got a long

wait before we find out the really interesting stuff about what's coming next year so uh I didn't

necessarily expect to see it but I was kind of hoping we might get some new information but

we got very little new information like that well uh you know I don't want to get too much away

but I know that we are aiming for a podcast dedicated a little bit more towards Harley Davidson

all the changes that we're seeing there um I would have the only reason I would have maybe

suspected that they were going to address it at Aikma is like a small displacement affordable

Harley Davidson manufactured outside of the US presumably where it could be sold outside the

US for a more affordable price um would have been more world news than just you know US news and

like you said you know the motorcycle market is much bigger as a global market than it is

just within the US so that's where I would agree with you I was expecting if we were going to hear

something maybe a prototype or something shown at Aikma would have been appropriate and you

know my my pick my second pick actually is kind of along the lines of Harley Davidson mine's more

about Indian um and I know that we saw Indian announce um a sport scout RT which is like kind

of like a baby bagger um but I was expecting to hear more from Indian about like what are their

plans moving forward um you know I was having a conversation uh with a colleague Sean around the

water cooler this afternoon around like you know what is Indian going to do now that they're not

owned by Polaris for those of you who missed the news there is an article up on Common Tread

that uh Indian has split with its ownership group Polaris Polaris has owned Indian for like

I think 12 years Lance does that sound right oh Polaris is on Indian for 12 13 years it's

give or take about about that yeah so they're no longer the the primary owner and and I think

there's just a lot up in the air and you know some of the questions that you know Sean was was

discussing when I was talking to him this afternoon um you know and I agree with it it's like I would

expect them to see I would expect to see maybe a small displacement bike you know something

manufactured over overseas that could be sold easily overseas you know when Lance you and I

were talking about sales numbers um from Indian not too long ago and like sales outside the United

States are actually doing really well for them and so I'm surprised that we haven't seen them kind of

double down on that at all um with some smaller more world focused models well I mean honestly I

don't think we can predict much of anything that's going to happen with Indian right now because we

with with new ownership coming in just to be technically clear the the the deal is supposed

to close in the first quarter of next year so uh you know they still have to do all the paperwork

and everything but the new ownership is uh supposedly a private equity firm that does not

sell its purchases whereas you know we know there's some private equity firms who

they buy a company and they strip it for parts and they sell the steaming hawk that's left for

whatever they can get and that's how they make their money and then there are others who buy

companies that they actually want to run and supposedly this is the latter but to be honest

we don't know what uh a private equity firm ownership is going to be for Indian and I think

it's it's you know it's it's really anything's possible and we'll have to see which which direction

they go but uh they've already uh you know gone more into the middle sort of the middle category

of motorcycles much more so than Harley-Davidson has and now Harley's kind of changing tack a

little bit and trying to get some affordable options in its lineup but Indian's already there

Indian's got you know so many different scout models I can't remember exactly how many they have

anymore but they've got they've got something for everybody do you think well no so you say they got

something for everybody but like they've also gotten rid of the FTR 1200 which was something

that was maybe a little bit less cruiser focused trying to branch out of that segment do you see

do you see Indian moving in a direction where maybe they are getting maybe they're not going to

just be chasing Harley-Davidson do you see Indian going you know strategically after outside segments

or do you see them primarily sticking with the the cruiser and the big touring segment

I mean again it's impossible for me to say I would just be I might as well throw darts at the wall

because I don't know what the thinking is inside the you know the new ownership who knows what they're

thinking I could I could see them coming up with either decision and you know I mean it would be

interesting if you if you those those people who know Indian history when the original company

shut down in the 1950s ever since then the name has been passed around by so many ownerships and

the brand has been passed around and you know people were selling little scooters and all kinds

of stuff and just slapping the Indian name on it and who knows we can have a repeat of that history

you know they like you say they could decide oh we're going to do cheap imported motorcycles and

just slap the Indian name on maybe history will repeat itself I don't know it was interesting

when we did an episode a couple seasons ago where Spencer Robert came on with Zach Quartz and I

and we we did a trivia episode with Mark Gardner's book Mark Gardner is a was a long time contributor

for Common Thread and he wrote a trivia book and one of the questions was how many times

has the Indian name changed and I'm pretty sure Zach and I both got it wrong because we were way

too conservative and our guesses so many I think it's like 26 it's something where I think Zach

and I both were like there's no way it was more than eight times or 11 times and I think it was

like 26 times or something like that so it's pretty insane yeah the the the recent history

with Polaris' ownership has been the most stability that the Indian brand has had since the original

company went out of business in the 1950s but now we're back in totally totally uncharted waters

again so Lance we're wrapping up Ikema coverage you know we're talking about uncharted waters it's

a great you're setting me up for perfect segways man I wish Zach I wish Zach set me up for segways

the way that you did our uncharted waters you know the last five years in the motorcycle industry

we had COVID hit we had you know different approaches taken by manufacturers for launching

new models because you know big international shows like Ikema weren't necessarily available

and slowly they've come back to these traditional methods of launching new motorcycles and I think

you know where I want to kind of leave the audience and maybe the audience would weigh in and some

comments and some emails you know are these big motorcycle shows like Ikema still wanted or needed

in in the motorcycle industry and you know or you know we're seeing all these manufacturers

launch models outside of Ikema so like is it just the fact that you know people can still go and

physically see these bikes in person and and how important are these shows for OEMs you know moving

forward well what we've seen particularly in the United States is is a huge decrease in shows

aimed at the consumers and open to the consumers I mean we used to have the the motorcycle expos

across the country and that was a consumer show you go in and you walk in you sit down on the

sit on the bikes and you you know touch the new jackets and you try on a new helmet or whatever

yeah you're talking about the IMS shows yeah IMS shows and then we had Amexpo also sort of did

this hybrid version where they would have industry days and then consumer days so they have a couple

days for just industry people to network and so forth and then they would have it open to

consumers for a couple days and they eventually just made now we're just going to make it an

industry show so what we've seen is that apparently it doesn't pay to put on consumer motorcycle

shows because nobody wants to do it anymore and I think there are just so many other ways

for us to learn about new products that the idea of having to you know go to some huge

exhibit hall and walk around and and look at stuff I think it's I guess it's just antiquated

now we still have these shows that are like I say aimed at the industry where the people who are

you know the dealers are going to these shows they're deciding well what do I want to stock you

know do I want to stock this these accessories these this clothing this you know these helmets

whatever I want to talk to the people who are representing these brands and you have that that

sort of thing going on that's basically what Amexpo is now and it's very much directed at dealers

so I just don't think there's a whole lot of future for consumer directed shows.

It's interesting man like I remember one of the conversations I had with my dad

around IMS going away and for those of you that aren't familiar IMS was a show in the US

in Canada where you know it traveled and so you had you know a night in Manhattan

and you know our weekend in Manhattan a weekend in California a weekend in the Midwest weekend in

the southeast like and it just gave you an opportunity to do something and and traditionally

the shows happened in the wintertime and my dad and I always liked it because

in in Allentown Pennsylvania or you know New York you're not riding motorcycles in January

presumably because there's snow on the ground and so it was a way for us to like hop in the car

you know with a couple of friends that rode motorcycles we drove up to Manhattan

we sat on a bunch of new bikes we got dinner and then you know we came home and it was like

there was a camaraderie aspect to it that we liked and it was fun and there was energy to it

and then they moved the shows to the summer because they were trying to incorporate test rides

which I don't think was a bad idea but in the summertime people have other things to do they're

already on vacation they're out riding their own motorcycles maybe they're not inclined to

ride up to Manhattan and sit in Manhattan traffic when it's 85 degrees outside on a motorcycle or

95 degrees in humid like it just didn't seem like it was like it just seemed like there was too

much else it was competing with for our attention with with the shift and so you know I don't know

if there's not a place for consumer motorcycle shows I just don't know I don't know how to

crack that nut you know yeah and and how do you make it where they're profitable and there's enough

interest that you know that can draw people in especially like you said in the U.S. you know

we're we're trying to we're trying to get more riders into the sport and you know you have to

have something tangible for them to experience you can't just be like oh well just go to the

website and look at pictures or go down to the dealership and hope that they have one in stock

that you can sit on you know yeah so I don't know I definitely feel like you know as we saw this

year with Eichma it's it's always interesting when you have like Triumph launching you know

Triumph making all these announcements before the show Kawasaki made all their announcements before

the show I'm sure that in the coming weeks we'll have additional motorcycles that we're learning

about coming outside the show it'll it'll be interesting to see whether or not some of these

brands are you know going to come back to the mentality of just waiting and launching at Eichma

and doing the whole you know sheet over a motorcycle on veil or if they're just going to say you know

what it's not worth our our investment dollars and we're going to we're going to look at it elsewhere

and that's where I think a lot of this is going to be determined is whether or not the motorcycle

manufacturers are going to continue to see the value in something like Eichma to bring about

exactly and you have to you have they have to ask themselves the question if we decide we're going

to unveil new new models specifically the show we're competing with everybody else who's doing

the same for the same attention whereas if we space it out maybe we can get ours I don't know

these are questions that that that they're going to have to have to answer but I can certainly see

why you might not want to try to compete with every other manufacturer with everybody unveiling

their stuff at the same time well if it's a cost concern you know hopefully BMW is saving enough

money with all those AI generated images that they can you know pay for their their Eichma booth

all right so Lance any final thoughts on Eichma before we move on to the engine sound guessing

game let's go for it all right well I you didn't you didn't you're supposed to throw it back to me

and you're supposed to say Spurgeon I don't have any do you have any final thoughts on

Eichma oh Spurgeon what are your final thoughts thank you Lance I appreciate that so one of the

things I was thinking about was uh the 18th birthday of Revzella right and I was thinking about all

the crazy shenanigans in my head as we were talking about this episode and like um one of the things

that I really liked back when Eichma was maybe a little bit uh when there were more you know

breaking news stories happening was um it was really an exciting time for Common Trek because

Lemmy was still working here and we'd we'd drive into the office and we'd get here at like

4 30 in the morning to start covering the news coming out of Europe and you had a thermos of

coffee and the lights were out there was nobody else in the office and it just had like a real

newsroom feel to it and so like I think if I'm waxing poetic about some of my favorite times

at Revzella it was you know you remotely cracking the whip on on Lemmy and I as we were sitting in

an empty office in South Philly just typing away at our keyboards and we got to block off the entire

week where like all we were doing for the week was just writing articles and it really felt

special and it felt big and it felt cool and I miss it I that's I miss the energy even remotely of

like just waiting for the next unveil and like I'm gonna grab this article and Lance is gonna grab

this one and Lemmy's gonna grab this one it was just uh it was a fun time and I just wanted to

throw that out it's like you know as I'm thinking about the 18 years and I'm thinking about the

you know going on 12 years of common tread um it was cool that was a yeah and and we and I think

it's uh I don't know I think it's a sign of how the shows in general like but specifically has

evolved that we don't don't have that same sort of rush today you know it's yeah it's it's more

like we uh well here's the system things are going on which ones are you gonna write about which

ones are we gonna maybe leave for later yeah it's it's definitely it's definitely changed the times

have changed even as we were preparing for this episode it wasn't like definitive it wasn't like

dude did you see this you know it was like yeah I mean like the Honda v3 prototype is cool but it

wasn't like we're getting that and we're gonna go out and buy it you know like um and even with like

the BMW f450gs it's like oh it's coming in 2027 it's not like there's not this sense of urgency

and like this is really cool and like we're gonna get to ride it in like two months and like whoa

so anyway enough of enough about looking back let's look forward into what engine sound we think

producer chase has picked for you and I to compete against for those of you that are not

familiar this is the engine sound guessing game america's favorite engine sound guessing game if not

the only engine sound guessing game out there thank you to akrapovic for sponsoring the engine

sound guessing game if you would like your engine on your motorcycle to sound a little

less anemic then maybe you need an akrapovic exhaust so uh I will say this uh lance you've

played the game before so I probably shouldn't have to you know give you any of the the rules

about how this works but we're going to get uh an engine sound that we'll listen to together

we'll get two hints the audience should be playing along at home uh shout it out to your stereo

speakers lance start your engine all right

I gotta guess what do you but be a guest honors lance

how many uh how many cylinders do you hear there buddy uh multiple uh huh uh huh yeah multiple yep

I'm with you uh two three four six eight four you hear four well yeah you know I'm not very good

this game so hang on you have owned a v4 you currently own a speed triple so you have a

boxer yeah I I don't hear four I hear I hear a triumph that you don't think that sounds like a

triumph to me to you yeah maybe um it it I'm trying to place it that that's that that whirring

in the beginning is familiar but I'm trying to place it I know I always do this and I know

producer chase tells us not to do it because he's never gonna try to stop the guest but

it just I can't help but sound like it just sounds like a triumph triple to me and I know that we just

I know that we were just talking about

yeah I don't know that's that that's where my head is at yeah I mean I would say I I kind of thought

it was a four but it could be a triple but it could be uh something like the you know like a street

triple all right well let's do this so let's do this um uh I will say before we go to the hint

let's listen one more time and just see if we can figure out if we think it's a four or a triple

audience you get another listen as well

um

would you like a hint or would you like to take a stab in the dark I would love a hint

all right let me see the more helpful the hint the better all right first hint

three cylinders uh huh so here's a deal I don't think uh I know that I said if producer chase

were to play us the Honda sound that would be super smart of him to do

and it's three cylinders so that is a possibility

but I I it just sounds like a triumph to me like my gut reaction as soon as that thing fired up

was that it was a triumph yeah I I'm I'm leaning towards the street triple some variation of a

street triple the 675 or the new 765 uh what about a Daytona you used to own a 675 Daytona what

if you think what if what if what if he went back and found your old motorcycle

don't think it's my old motorcycle because my old motorcycle was turned into a track bike

he probably has a much louder exhaust I don't think it was specifically your old motorcycle

Lance that that was a sad story I don't know we maybe should do a podcast episode about uh

the the the history of Lance's motorcycles but that poor one

Lance had a had a small tip over it it just broke his heart and he had to get rid of it

it was it was sad was it a low side or a high side Lance do you want to tell the audience what

happened no no we'll save that for a whole other podcast all right um let's do one final hint

and then we will see if either of us can figure it out I I think it's a I think it's a triumph

triple uh the year make model had a first ride review on common tread the reviewer stated

this bike is not really an all new bike it's a rename bringing the USA the name the rest of the

world has had for a little while now oh which one of us wrote this article because this is where

Lance is trying or this is where Chase is trying to get us this so the the reviewer for common tread

stated this bike is not really an all new bike it's a rename bringing the USA the name the rest of

the world has had for a little while now so it's a Yamaha MT-09 so I was wrong it's not a triumph

it's an MT-09 I think it's a Yamaha MT-09 because that was originally the FZ-09

United States it was an MT-09 everywhere else and they eventually changed to make the name

uniform globally so that's what I'm going with uh that's a hell of a guess because I I even as I

was reading this I was like what about the trident did we have it some but it wasn't called something

different here first we got it later but it wasn't all right without any further ado let's see if

Lance is right oh Lance you were so close all right I'm gonna nope all right I looked I I look

so I know what it is Lance what was one other Yamaha that was a triple that had a different name

in the United States first you had the end you have the engine right what engine was that also

used in uh the tracer the MT-09 and the tracer the tracer 900 GT which is originally called

I think it was an FGA-09 I did a review on the FGA-09 so I'm pretty sure that was the FGA-09

first and they switched it to the tracer so no okay yep so that was close the the Yamaha

triple line got some different names in the United States an FZ-09 first uh for for what became the

MT-09 uh which was their naked sport bike utilizing a 900 uh triple and then the FGA-09 was like uh

upright sport touring motorcycle um like an adventure style sport touring motorcycle but with

like 17 inch sport bike rims um and that got renamed the tracer 900 GT uh thank you to Chewie

Chewie sent in an audio clip of a 2019 uh tracer said that uh the GT is an upmarket version of the

bike it has a enough has changed uh that I think it's it's fair for the the tuning fork people

to refer to it as a different model but thank you Chewie uh make sure you send us an email over

to highsidelowsideatrevzilla.com with your per-ferred high side low side t-shirt uh design

and size as well as your address and we will get one mail that for you if you would like to send us

your engine sound for my future co-host and I whether that's Lance or Spencer or Airy or Zach

or maybe or say maybe Zach's can be back uh and we'll play the engine sound guessing game with your

engine sound send a an email with the year make model and any mods that you made to the bike

as well as an audio clip of the bike starting up letting it idle a few good revs and then

letting it idle again and we might pick your motorcycle for our engine sound guessing game

it was a good great job Lance I was still trying to figure out a triumph I totally was like heads

down thinking it was a triumph but you nailed it come on give yourself a round of applause Lance

you're always talking about how you don't feel like the you do well with the engine sound

guessing game and I'm I'm really impressed this is my best effort yet I will I gotta say is that

I still didn't get it exactly right but get excited give yourselves some credit I I'm proud of you

I'm proud of you someday I'll be a a shed a fraction of the shadow of a man like Zach Courts

who can the dude is an enigma when it comes to engine sound guessing games and uh it's it's

definitely a hard torch to carry without him here to move it along yep all right so Lance I'm

going to read the comment uh that came in today and then I'm going to let you take the first

stab at it so uh we are moving on to the final segment of the podcast this is the high side

low side comment slash review where we go through Apple reviews we go through Spotify comments we

go through YouTube comments we look at emails sent into high side low side at revzilla.com

and we pick one of our favorites to read out loud and the winner gets a t-shirt so first

and foremost thank you to everyone that has left us a review left a comment or sent an email

we very much value it and if we can ask a favor if you do have a little bit of time and you can

leave us a review over an Apple podcast we do appreciate that um but the email that came in

today is from Angelo um from Italy and Lance should I do this in Italian and you know that I'm

really good at accents so I could be like hello I'm Angelo from Italy it's Virginia terrible

in accents I the problem is like halfway through it's going to go from like my half ass attempt at

Italian accent to like a Mexican accent to like a Scottish accent and somehow you you end up in

Jamaica this terrible Jamaican accent sometimes so I don't know how you've wandered down that that

horrible how you're doing today yes see what I mean see folks did I tell you oh my god you're

sick and I'm losing my mind um all right this was actually someone that sent me a message on

Instagram and while I'm not trying to encourage people to blow up my uh my personal Instagram

message box I thought this was a good one so Angelo sent me a message and said hello

I am Angelo from Italy and I'm writing this because I desperately need a piece of advice

I have been writing for a year now I'm 29 years old and I've been on a 125 cc motorcycle I'm currently

taking uh my license course uh I'm planning to get a scrambler 400x I saw the ctxp episode

that you made in India with Zach and now all of a sudden thank you for watching the ctxp episode

for that but he said now all of my friends and colleagues are telling me that I'd better get

a scrambler 900 if I'm going to get into the genre because I like I'm likely going to get bored

with the 400 in like a year or so um I wouldn't want to buy a bike uh that I'm only going to

sell again a year later and I don't want to get bored of it and since I'm you know on a bit of a

budget I'd like to put my money where it's gonna you know make the most value um and I wanted to

ask your opinion since you are a seasoned rider as well as a triumph lover so Lance I want to

I want to start by throwing this to you you are a seasoned rider you are also a triumph lover

if if Angelo came to you and said Lance this is my conundrum I want to get a scrambler 400x

but my friends are telling me no no go buy the bigger bike uh what would you tell young Angelo

well let me let me throw one question to you first because I don't know anybody

who has more intense experience on a triumph 400 scrambler than you do so

in a brief summation how would you describe the capability of that bike well Lance I'll

tell you I'll tell you that the the person that has more experience on the scrambler 400 than I

do is Zach Quartz because he rode the scrambler 400 I rode you clearly aren't watching my videos

that hurts my feelings I was on this I was on the the speed 400 um they were great bikes

they were great bikes I think I think you know we went into that episode um and I really felt

jealous of Zach because he got to ride the scrambler which was a little bit bigger um and and I'm

a little bit of a bigger person and it was a little bit more aimed at what we were trying

to do in India which is a little bit on road and off road and you know taking this big adventure

but even on the speed 400 it was a great bike I thought it was awesome I really was impressed

with what Triumph did with those motorcycles um they look great the fit and finish is awesome on them

and I weigh uh right now currently heading into the holiday season about 220 pounds I am

six foot three as I often talk about in my reviews where I tell people how big I am so

that they can relate to that and I didn't feel like I didn't feel like I was too big on it I

felt like it was appropriate I felt like I was having a blast I was ringing its neck I was having

a good time I had a great time on those those motorcycles thank you for asking Lance yeah

and I think that and I I wanted that context because here's the thing I the only thing that

would keep me from being 100 confidence in answering Angela's question is I don't know

what kind of riding he wants to do I don't know his riding profile and that obviously is critical

information but as and I I risk getting into some old guy rant here but I I really get annoyed

with these kind of comments from people that oh you can't do that on a little bike you'll just

get bored you'll outgrow it you can't do that you can't travel on the on a 650 you can't do this

or whatever and that's that's just so generally not true and I I I hear it a lot here in the

United States and not to get into a polemical debate here but I hear mostly from men I don't

hear from any women saying oh you need to buy at least a 900 or else you know you're not a real

man it's not a real man's bike but now I'm saddened to learn that this is the same in Italy too

but these yeah this idea that you somehow have to aim make the jump from a 125 to a 900 or else

it's not worth your time to me is just not just doesn't hold up I mean maybe a 400 is exactly

what he needs for the kind of riding he wants to do preach and then and then the other aspect of

this is I understand that he's trying to keep to a budget and I understand that buying you know

if you go out and you buy a new motorcycle every two years you're going to spend a lot on motorcycle

because you're taking the brunt of the depreciation but I don't get this idea that the goal is somehow

to buy your dream bike and never buy another motorcycle you know never have to change it for

something else all of us start out we don't know anything we don't we think we know what our dream

bike is but after we've been riding for a few years we find out that what we thought we liked maybe

is not really what we like as much as something else and we like to try it changes our desire for

the kind of riding we want to do changes so this whole idea of well you know you want to buy the

one bike that's your dream bike so you never ever have to change motorcycles if you're really into

motorcycles don't you want to experience a whole bunch of them you know um so here's what I would

say to actually try to be helpful for a change to angelo I would say buy the 400 look for a used one

look for one that's a couple years old it's going to be same as a new one if you do ride it for a

year and you find out oh gee yeah I should have got a bigger bike either because I'm a big guy and

I'm uncomfortable on it or you know I want to do a different kind of riding I want to do longer just

whatever then you aren't taking that big of a depreciation hit and you get the joy of having

ridden a 400 for a year or two and then you get the joy of trying something new and that way you're

not falling into that situation of well I can't really afford to go out and buy a new 400 this

year and then find out that I made a mistake and I have to buy another new bike next year that would

be what I would recommend go find a used 400 I don't have anything to add that was great advice

it's like it's like we we should we should start a whole segment called deer lance and much like

deer abbey where people write in for relationship advice you know they could write in and say deer

lance and they could ask for you know motorcycle advice on on you know which bike is right for

them and why and I thought that was that was great man because it's true like and let me let me ask

you this for the audience that doesn't know maybe they're not as familiar with you as I am and I

think it bears mentioned that I'm pretty familiar with you lance has woken up to realize in his old

age that you know I'm his best friend we talk every day sometimes we talk more than he has wife

talk and that probably you know was a surprise for you lance and you know I'm not going to ask you

to tell me how much you love me on the air while we're recording this because I know you like to

keep those emotions deep down inside but you can't argue how well we know each other um

what's what's the brand new motorcycle that you have sitting in your garage right now

you mean the most recent purchase because none of them are brand new that's the new

used motorcycle that you have in your garage right now I went out this summer I went out

this summer and bought the 2021 Kawasaki KLX 300 SM and I just wanted you know if I'm riding down

to the hardware store riding around just for my local transportation you know I got tired of taking

a full-size motorcycle I want something light and agile and easy to ride and fun to get on and

I you know I I just finished putting 2000 miles on the BMW R1300 RT which is a fantastic motorcycle

has every feature you could pretty much ever hope for comfortable you know it'll it'll

toaster buns it'll do everything except brew your coffee for you and but it's but you have

to really be thinking constantly to ride it you know you you can't just take off on it you can't

just throw it through the corners you know without realizing hey I've got you know close to 700

and some pounds between me and this motorcycle you know close to 800 pounds here to to to navigate

down the road and the the joy of lightweight bikes and and smaller motorcycles is that you

to me you just feel a lot more free to just go ride them did you have any more fun on your big

fancy expensive BMW than you did on the little BMW 310 GS you rode all summer long I wouldn't

say I had more fun I was more comfortable admittedly but you know we're talking about a $31,000

motorcycle and a $6,000 motorcycle so you know it's the obviously one is much nicer than the other

one is much smoother more powerful has many more features I went places on both of them

and got there happy so yeah I just feel like we we in especially in our culture and now I

apparently I learned it's Italy too that we just focus too much on you gotta go big you gotta get

bigger it's more more more and I just don't feel this is my rant you know but I don't feel that's

necessarily the way to go for everybody I agree with you Lance and Angelo if you're listening

you know don't be in such a hurry to climb the displacement ladder enjoy the different rungs

along the way you can have a lot of fun with the scrambler 400x it's going to be really manageable

for you and you're going to get to a point where you're going to feel more comfortable ringing

that's neck and using all that power versus jumping to a 900 and and maybe feeling like it's a little

bit too big too intimidating and and you're you're just you know not able to really get the most

enjoyment out of it and I rode those bikes with with Zach up to the highest road in the world and

we had an absolute hoot on them so hopefully that helps with your decision and we are happy

to send you a high side low side t-shirt all the way to Italy we will we will send that over

and if you want to you can send us your address and your preferred shirt style and size to

high side lowside at Revzola.com and you heard it here folks even if you are one of our international

listeners we are doing our best to get high side low side t-shirts all around the globe

much to the chagrin of my boss who is like what are these shipping charges to Italy for

t-shirts and I'm just like it's the cost of marketing a podcast man a podcast that reaches

around the globe and I want to thank you for all the listeners out there whether you are listening

on YouTube and leaving us comments there you're listening on Spotify and leaving us comments

there or you are taking the time to shoot us an email to highside lowside at Revzola.com and

giving us all of your feedback or you're leaving us that Apple podcast review we appreciate the time

that you take with us both in engaging in the the community aspect of the the discussion and the

comments or just spending an hour and a half two hours listening to Lance and I wax poetic about

what we're learning from Eichma. I am sorry to let you know that the Zach course has been injured

but I am happy to report that he is on the mend and recovering and hopefully we'll have some wacky

co-hosts here for the next couple of episodes as we give Zach the time that he needs to recover

but Lance I want to leave it with you any standout moments from today anything that struck your fancy

that you're leaving with you know on a on a high note. I just want to know if Angel is at Eichma.

Oh that's a good question that's a good question. Maybe we should be there on motorcycles.

He could he maybe he could have been we I just feel like we missed an opportunity here to have

our man on the scene you know what I'm saying. Hey but Triumph isn't at Eichma this year right

so he wouldn't he wouldn't be able to go to Eichma and sit on any Triumph motorcycles wouldn't

yeah but I mean you know maybe he wants to check on some of the other stuff. That's a good point.

Miss missed opportunities Spurge missed opportunities. Well I will say that

um if I had to think about anything I am probably still thinking like it's been hard not

reminiscing on the past uh you know 11 12 years right like and I know 18 year it's Revzil is 18th

birthday um and unfortunately you can't do a lot of fun things at 18. Used to be able to go out and

buy a pack of cigarettes when you turned 18. Now it's 21 because we're you know cigarettes are bad

for you and they are kids don't go smoke um you know so it's like pornography is already on the

internet so it's not like you know you're 18 you can go buy a bunch of pornography so like what

does 18 really give you these days? Like you can vote you can join what you can vote you can go you

can vote uh you can join the army um yeah you're gonna get to wait for 21 now so I guess we're

gonna have to wait for Revzil is 21st birthday before things really start to kick off and get

wild around here. We had a uh if anybody's really interested uh we had a commentary article several

years ago I think it was the 15th anniversary and I talked to some of the very early employees who

were still around and they had some great memories I mean talking about the early days when it was

just a couple of people sitting in this drafty little storefront in South Philly where they

would take their lunch to work and they have to keep it locked away because the rats would

steal their sandwiches for they brought for lunch and you know it was a total shoestring

operation and and and you know there were a lot of great stories uh that people had and

um you know if anybody's interested in getting revved up for the the upcoming future milestones

of Revzil and that would be a good story to look up. It's funny you mentioned the uh you mentioned

the I'll leave the audience with this but like even in the shoestring budget that we had for

Common Tremblin started like we didn't have like OEMs did not take us seriously. We were we were

borrowing motorcycles to review to prove that we could do motorcycle reviews. We were buying uh I

did a I did a review on a KTM 390 Duke when it first came out and it was because um a co-worker

bought the first one that was released in the area and we got it we gave him like 500 bucks

to like let us borrow his bike for his brand new motorcycle for like two weeks um and that was

how we reviewed motorcycles until we finally started getting some momentum and even then

there were other people out there running news outlets I'm not going to name any names Jensen

Beeler um who like basically sat us down and were like you'll never cut it no one's ever

going to take you seriously you know you're not gonna you're not going to succeed in this in this

industry and um and you really believed in what we were doing you spent a lot of time tutoring

myself and and lemmy and you've been a real mentor for a lot of people that have come and and and

worked under the the Common Tread umbrella ever since from from you know new authors like Andy

Greaser and and you know even some of the development of our newest co our newest author Dustin um to

you know be in there to work with established you know people that we've brought on as the

publication is developed with Ari Henning and Zach Quartz who have been you know longtime

motorcycle journalists and I think it's been really cool to see you know at your side uh

Lance the evolution of what we've done with Common Tread so that's my that's my takeaway here

thank you for all the work that you've put into all of your co-workers and you know helping us

develop into the fine-tuned you know media hosts that we are today because we couldn't have done it

without you oh that's great we're just been a fun ride and uh it's been fun working with the like

you said working with names that I knew from the industry but just people I sort of do their names

but now I'm actually get to work with them and call them call them colleagues and that's uh it's a

lot of fun well uh fortunately for you and me we'll get to work together on a few more of these

episodes as Zach Quartz recovers but for now uh we will let the audience go back to their

regularly scheduled day hopefully you enjoyed some of the news popping out of Aikma and until

next time thank you so much for joining us here on House Out of the Seine

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