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Safety First
About this episode
A lively discussion on the implications of modern automotive technology and its impact on driver distraction takes center stage. The hosts debate the merits of touchscreen controls versus traditional knobs and buttons, questioning whether the shift towards larger screens contributes to distracted driving. They share personal anecdotes about their experiences with rental cars and the challenges of adapting to unfamiliar controls. The episode also touches on the evolving landscape of automotive safety ratings and the growing influence of technology in vehicles, all while maintaining a humorous and engaging tone.
Topics:
driver distraction
touchscreen controls
safety ratings
automotive technology
rental car experiences
button vs touchscreen debate
modern car features
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Dave Polage. Happy Saturday, America. You're listening Let's Talk Cars Radio on
WKQA Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big Davp hanging out with Camera Chaos
and NATEVB. Hey, it is a great day for a radio show.
Weather it's holding out for a good day for a car show. So if
you guys are in our area, make sure you guys get yourself over to Landstown, hang out over there, spend some time, say hi to us.
You know, have a good time. It's being with it being Easter
weekend. It's kind of funny that you have a car show and then you
have Easter right back to back. Everybody is making plans for Easter and it
is keeps you definitely, definitely busy. We've also got some great weather attached
to it. If so far so far, you know, keep keep the
fingers crossed. It seems like we always seem to escape the weather for Easter.
You're always like it can rains, is not gonna rain a huge hunt.
So we're always looking to keep good weather so we can have our hunt every year. But hey, it's interesting. So you know, last week
we were talking about a lot of different things in the car market and car news and all that kind of stuff. And then we always joke about the
fact that we talk about something and then it turns around and becomes like like top news. Right. He posed the question and asking about it, So
I know we've we've touched bases on this a little bit and stuff. And
Nathaniel and I kind of argued about it before months ago when he first got his car, and I thought it was kind of distracting about push buttons and stuff on his car. Everything's on, you know, we're moving to bigger
screens and everything's you know screen activate it in your car and push button and to me, Okay, so you guys know I like technology. I'll tell
you guys, I'm okay with technology. I have no problem with technology,
change it in vehicles, right, because I just think it's some of it's just cool and some of it is practical on top of it. But I've
always questioned with the fact that the screens get bigger and everything's turned into, you know, trying to touch everything on the screen, so it's touch screen to activate all kinds of things, And it kind of poses a question of if we're trying to get away from distracted driving, right, why are we putting everything basically on just a big, huge cell phone. I mean,
it really is. I mean we're not supposed to be playing with our cell
phones in the car yet. Where it looks like we're putting big telephone screens
in our car and then have to act everything off the you know, that screen. I find it distracting to a certain degree, Like I think it's
neat, don't get wrong, but I think some things just and I've said before, need to be left as buttons and or knobs where I don't have to look at the screen to try to touch it to figure out how to activate something. You know, sometimes I just feel more comfortable reach down turning
a knob or flick on a switch. But you can argue that the button
scenario is still distracting. Okay, I'm not saying that it's not forever.
Okay. So I remember when like the cigarette lighter in your car. You
all won't remember this, but you had to push the cigarette lighter in and wait for it to come out. Yeah, And that's what that one.
And that was I thought extremely distracting in a car at my age because for people that I rode with it smoked when I was a kid, they pushed it in and they had to wait for it to pop and then had to reach down their hand down there without burning so looking down away from the road to grab it out, you know, so you can light a cigarette.
And I just remember that being a really distracting thing. Well, you should
know when to use it and when not to use it just because it's in the car, right, It doesn't mean you should use it at all the time. Absolutely, I agree, But it doesn't stop us from using things.
Right, And we keep on adding more and more features to the touch screen on the car. Like I said, cool feature, I'm not against
the feature. I just at some point in time, I just think it's
more distracting then I know where the knobs are in my vehicle, right, so I know where the knobs and the switches are stuff like that. I
don't have to really look down as I'm driving to touch it. And they
could argue the same thing with the touchscreen. But I feel like if the
way I had trump the argument, right is if I put you in a random car that you're not used to and you're driving down the road and you're trying to change whatever the radio a completely, you are going to be lost.
You're going to be looking, You're be distracted looking for the button, touch screen or not. So you know, once you get used to whatever
you're driving and stuff, then you started, you know, you get used to it and stuff most most time nowadays and stuff. The touch screen is
what one or two clicks away. It's not very much you got to go
into. Okay, you're right, and I agree with you. If you
got into a rental, let's just say it run right your vehicle, right, You have to like familiarize yourself, is right. I'm the guy that
literally like goes a couple feet maybe a little longer the coffee, I'm exacger, but and then I pull over because I'm like trying to figure out, like, Okay, where are the wind show wipers? And this? How
turn on the lights? How do I move the seats? How do I
hate the seats in my rental car. I'm sitting there. I know everybody
else I liked it was behind me getting the run cars pulled out of the parking lot. They've gone. I'm still sitting there because I feel very uncomfortable
driving something that doesn't belong to rental cars. I'm really bad with runt of
cars. Guys. I hate rent of cars because they're not mine and I
don't know where anything is in it usually, so I'm just I feel distracted, right and I had to be left the parking I'm still in the parking garage at the airport with it, and I feel very uneasy because I don't know where everything is now. I can't remember the last one we had.
The last rental I had had the touchscreen in it, and I would say seventy percent of everything was on the touch screen, and that was distracting to me. Because even if this is just my account, I could be wrong
and Nathaniel says it doesn't happen to me. He knows where it all is.
I bet money that if I put a camera on Nathaniel's dash, I can record him taking his eyes off the road a bunch of times to try to figure ot where things that he says he doesn't he could just reach over and touch it without looking, because he knows where everything is. I would
wager money than if I put a camera on your dash, then I will catch you having to look away from the road to figure out where things are, and you've been driving that car from I would argue that you would do the same thing, though you might occasionally grab you if you're not grabbing, say the volume knob or Okay, First of all, I don't need to do volume knob, right, I know that's what I'm saying. I don't
need to do volume nob because because my steering controls control the radio stuff that I don't change the channels on the steerwheel and they're behind the steering wheel.
You guys don't what I'm talking about. I don't have to look that.
I just feel with my fingers and I feel the knobs, and I know how to do that. Okay, so that's number one. I know where
my blinker is at. I don't have to worry about and you guys joke,
but they've talked about putting, you know, the blinkers on touch screen.
I'm like, we would you have a little screen over here in the corner, just a touch to make your Blinkershow that would be weird to me?
I don't know how I mean, But technology, right, you have I will say what. I will say, what one not one feature that
Trump's right? So like if you have a GPS, you have to look
over to look at your GPS. Why why is talking to you? Why
to look at if you don't have I don't like mind talking to me personally.
That's because it turns right, but it has the options up. But
I'm just saying in general, you have to look at it. Or even
when she talks sometimes you know, you get confused what she says. You're
right, you know she says little too early, so you have to look at well, I will say one face technology, think God, it's changing, right, right, And so I say one feature in the B ANDW that, like an ians car, is that the GPS is actually on the a dometer so you actually, you know, when you're looking at the road, you actually see it right below you. Okay, look like there's some
heads heads display, it's right there. I just know that if you got
Tron headlights, if you got Tron wind show wipers, things like that.
It's on touchscreen. I know you got to look at that screen. There's
no way there's a couple of cars Tesla like Tesla. I'm pretty sure he
does that right. You have to look at that screen to get your finger
right on that right app square. You know what I mean to touch it.
You're looking at You're going to be distracted. That is distracted driving.
I I, in return, say no distracted driving when you have knobs and switches because I can drive my truck and I can reach right over and I can turn the A C up or down and turn it on, and I don't need to look at it. I know where there, I know where
those at, and I get I can feel it with my hand. I
could argue about getting you know, the cassette tapes too, when you're put it in your CDs. The screening. I'm just saying that was distracted driving,
right. Nobody was playing back then about you know it was not topic.
It was not big topic. He's trying to date me nice things.
But it's a good argument track. I had tapes and then I had I
had CDs. Okay, extremely distracted driving, no doubt. And let me
tell you how distract it was for the CDs because we used to had a Bookbody who's listening to this show right this second? The lip grew up at
that time. No, you left either you had the book in your lap
and you were like going down the road and you're kind of looking down and flipping it in your or it was on the past your seat and you're reaching over like this and you're flipping it trying to find it. And then you
got to get it out of the slide. Then you got to pick it
up. And if you were one of the guys that weren't cool and all
you had was cases, forget it, that was just you had to open the case up to grab a hole bait lawn and try to you're trying to get it out and you're trying to hold the steering wheel. So that was
extreme distracted driving on nobody's complaining, but nobody was complaining back then, but it was distracted driving. So I guess okay, So I'm gonna agree with
you and say, your guys version of distracted driving is the cell phone ours with CDs and tapes, right right, because that works. Technology has changed.
You plug the phone into the car now and pretty much you have control of your phone if you have that technology, have Apple Play or whatever, you have control the phone through the car. I feel you are much accessible
now, but we're using a finer comb in today's time. I just don't
Here's the thing, So you and I can argue about this all day long, right right, You're gonna have your vert I'm not wrong in this one.
For once, I can actually prove that I'm right one hundred percent and that you're wrong, I know. And the reason why is because the SAFFIC
SAFFIC, the Traffic Safety Board has gone ahead and they've done some independent studies and they agree with me that all this touch button stuff is extremely distracted and they are literally pushing for everything to go back to to I'm not saying that it can't be distracting. Yes, So the the difference between button, you
know, push buttons, and touch screen I guarantee is there's a similarity between distractions. I think maybe on a certain level. But I can reach my
hand out like Brail, but you can signed to feel around and once No, you can't touch screen, slick. You cannot unless you physically I guarantee
you. I would love I want to bet money on this because you may
know where it is right in your car, but you have to look at the screen to make sure that finger lines up. I don't have to do
that with the button or No. I can literally put my hand out and
play Brail until I touch the knob. I want I make sure you got
make sure it's the right button. But I don't because all the buttons are
the same. No way, man, on my truck, We're got two
knobs. Hold on, I got you my truck. I got. I
have one side a C, the other side a C, and I have four buttons below that I literally touch to activate things. And I know exactly
what order those buttons are. And I put my hand up. I know
what buttons I'm touching. I don't need to look at it. Yeah,
but when you push my frost buttons, those are all so like how you know which I know what order those are in I can see the same thing.
I know what but they're not. I guarantee. On a flat screen,
it's flat, there's no texture, there's no nothing. You just got
your hands. It turns on it. I know I did it. Well,
yeah, you just keep on slapping your finger around. So maybe I
mean, I guarante, I'll guarantee if I put a care I'll guarantee you if I put a camera on your dash and we put one on mine, I can activate things in my truck without having to look away from it, and you can't. You have I will say. I was like, the
voice assistant would like do like climate? I wish turn up you know he
no, No, that'd be a really good feature. That was something I
agree with you. I think we can move a lot of things to voice
activate it and it would be better. I told you we saw an article
about Nvidia, you know, coming into the car market wise. Yeah.
Yeah, right, so that's gonna change. That's gonna be a game changer,
guys. And if you I stock now right, I mean it's not
now, but I still but you just never know. You just don't know.
But well here you know you guys, we were talking about I think come once, Sony is getting into the car game. You know, Sony
wants. They want to be in the car business somehow, some way.
They want to collab with people and be in it. There's a reason for
that. There's a lot of money in this. If you could find a
way something that's new, you could find a way to make money. You
just had to find some new FYI just say, you all know you you guys would go back when you guys were young. Okay, so we'll go
We'll go back young. You remember my injection into the glass to make tint
glass turn on and turn off? Yeah, that's out. Ye. It
was at the show. It was at the show this year. I saw
somebody send me the video and say, hey, weren't you talking about this a couple of years back? Somebody's doing it now? Were they integrated in
cars? Talk about is be able to turn your tin on and off in
your windows? I'd been talking about it since they were little. They remember
it. I was just like, it's it should be. And now someone's
done it. Everybody's like, oh, why did you do it? I
just don't have that. I don't so I'm not that crafty. So I
got some statistics over heretic person. You already know. So from the nineteen
nineties to the twenty tens. Each year, approximately three thousand people lost their
lives due to the distracted drive. In three thousand, three thousand people,
I think would be more. Probably these are your statistics we don't have now,
we don't have all the statistics only because they did. We're getting all
of our reports straight from the National Highway Yeah, safety boards. So they
only do reports like somebody. They weren't tracking a big track either. Well,
let's be honest. They put a rope on the outside of the see
that many people drive. Okay, but this from nineteen nineties to two thousand
or twenty twenties, that was an eight percent to nine percent of all fatal motor vehicle collisions were caused by distracted driving. There was an eleven percent increase
from twenty twenty one compared to twenty twenty. As well as touch screen technology.
If we get into that, touch screen technology has inspected growth of the compound annual growth rate of six percent. It had a six percent rate for
increase from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty fourture so and we're still going up you said six percent or sixteen six percent. The market size was fifty nine point
fifty nine point five seven billion projected in twenty twenty one. Anybody want to
take a guest. But they think it's going to be by this year,
it's gonna be fur percent school one hundred and sixty six point twelve billion dollars.
That's almost what, three hundred times the percent that they want. They
think that technology, tech, technology, the touchscreen technology market is going to increase. I think so I remember change. The more features you can push
into the car, I think the better for you know, companies and for individuals. As I said, I'm not against Okay, so I'm not against
technology in cars. You guys know what I like. I'm a gadget guy.
I like, but I do think it should be simplistic. It should
be when it starts to as a safety issue. Is when I started to
get a little bit scared the more and I've been talking about this is not my first time talking about this with you guys. I have been scared the
more technology we pushed in the cars a little bit more. With me being
the gadget guy and liking technology, you know, Like I said, I get a little bit scared on some of the things because I think some things should be voice activated instead of you know, touchscreen activated. What that would
make more sense to me? I gotta take quick corse of break eight.
When we come back. I'm a didger, just a little bit more into
this. I got some other stuff I want to talk about as well,
But I feel like we need to put some type of cap on this.
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one thousand and three. Welcome back to Let's Talk Cars Radio, your automotive
specialist. Now back to your host Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome
back. So if you follow us on the last segment, we were talking
about, you know how things are changing. They were changing one direction,
everything was leaning towards touch screen and now that they are doing the safety you know, traffic safety boards getting involved, how they rate cars and saving stuff like that. So here's the here's the interesting thing. The reason why I
say I'm finally right and I give the Nathaniel always a hard time because like arguing with them about things anyway. But what they're going to do is,
you know how we do all the safety test on cars and we give the car a rating. So now is it gonna be like their own like section,
Now it will be if the car has more to what they call distracted driving, which is touch screens, the car will get a lower rating.
Is now going to the lower possible. But that's what they're talking about doing.
They're talking about literally changing the rating scale, and if the car has a lot of touch screen stuff on it, it gets a lower score because it's easier to reach out with that and look down to touch knobs and touch buttons. Is a touch of touch screen and that's what this What do you
mean, Well, just just so you know the consumer knows, like when they're buying the car that you know it has that implication if you want to the touch screen. I mean, it doesn't really affect you know, those
safety rating. I mean, it's just well it just lets you know that
it could you know, distract people do studies on all this stuff, and I read all of them, and I take some of it into account where I'm like, Okay, that makes sense to me. Some of the stuff
is bogus. I'm like, I'm not believing that. Yeah, And I
know, don't be wrong. I know there's a lot of money invested in
studies and stuff like that. But I almost feel like I could start a
study, get a grant from the government, and just do my own study on this and you know, and then be able to have real data.
Well maybe that's what we should do, but I'm just saying, like you could have you know, you would, you'd have the real debt. Like
I would love to do some type of study and put cameras up on cars and then record it and just see how right we are as far as one versus the other. Why different ages of drive? That's why I asked,
like, you know, did they compare it to you know, old you know, old ways and stuff, because you know, of course it could be distracting and stuff, but you know how distracting compared to another way.
I saw camera, he's over there digging, So you got some statistics I do, so you know, trip Away actually did a test from twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen. This is the Trip Away roadside assistance. They released article
you Always take care of Me. But they did a test on forty new
twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. And the reason why I brought up these statistics
because most people have the twenty seventeens twenty eighteen still people don't yet. Well
yeah, but you understand what I mean middle class. Right, There was
seventeen systems. So basically they did a test on all of the buttons inside
these vehicles, right, and it was like, Okay, do people want to high demand because this is effective for them or is it gadget just the new gadget in which is what we do with cell phones the same thing cell phone has. Seventeen cars passed their test for very high demand, meaning like
everybody wanted that technology because because of touch screen technology. But it also did
what it was supposed to do effectively, you know, like you hit one button. It was one click and it did, you know, not try
to go into a men you're like nat to do like on my car going in minus like that, I feel like mine. I sat in your car.
Either it wasn't on the right venue from the get go for me to do anything in your car when I was sitt in the past your seat, I had to go and switch. But the problem is that you haven't sat
in long enough to understand, like why you're switching between I will say, I'm driving you. There is there's only one. There's only one clear.
I had to sit down behind the seat of your car. Okay, if
I barred your car and I didn't drove his car yet. To be honest,
that's what I'm saying that you don't know. But I bet in your
car as a passenger and just for me to get around, like I had, you had one screen up for me to get to the thermostat, you know, change the temperature car, I had to switch screens and stuff like that. And I was just like, man, if I'm driving and I
got to reach out and switch screens to find buttons. To me, that's
distracting, And you can't tell me that's near your cars and I'll set up that way because it was. It wasn't on that direct screen. But you're
but you're confusing, like, so why was you like a year hours jumping around like different points? So like, of course there's different screens for different
things you're looking at. But to do that, no, But for the
majority of what you're using, as you know, radio, it's all on the screen. You're not. You got I don't have to do that with
button you do. I do not have to. I don't say that because
don't know your car. Don't have to do it with buttons. You say
that because you know your car. I can do the same thing because I
know my car. Let's put some money on. Let me put a camera
in your car. What do you put a camera in your car? And
let me just see if you have to look down ever to mess with those buttons. I guarantee you have to look down, and I don't. You
can lose your money because I'm my steering wheel. You're not. You don't
have a steering wheel option. I do. I do steering wheel. I'm
not giving you the option of the steer but you didn't say that, and I'm just gonna take your money. You can reach down and find it.
You have to. You have to, yes, camera back to Wow,
you see how heated they got and this is why we need a commercial break camera right. Twelve of the cars reported like a high demand, but not
so high. Eleven cars came back from when he's seventeen twenty eighteen for moderate
demand, which meant that they were just what about having the technology twenty four because the technologies really haven't done all right, So we do all these studies and everything, and we all like so far, but you wonder what I'm going to provide some tips to, you know, to not distracted. He's
like, he's like, these guys cool, Let's get to the tips you guys. Cool off. So, as a general rule, you cannot devote
your full attention to driving because of some other activities. It's a distractions the
car. Distractions for me, like the car messed around the car. If
you're moving around the passenger seat. How many times you heady say hey,
stop by going around in that? And it's funny that you say that because
trip away even says number three, get rid of those. The number third
rule is if you have passengers and list their help, which we should get rid of that passenger seat. So I'm probably first was right with me,
and I'm not distracted. I probably feel safer. But uh, this is
actually a very good rule, So I'm gonna say it again. If you
guys didn't hear it before you guys, if you have passengers, enlist their help. Don't try to keep doing everything by yourself. Ask your passenger to
do it right, and then he'll be and it'll be like me, and he'll be confused on what screen I'm supposed to be on in Nathaniel's car, And I gotta scroll through the truch just so I can, like, you know, turn the temperature up or down. And I mean, but in
the list of the passenger who's completely confused by the car on top of that, But anyway, go number seven, finish dressing and personal grooming at home.
How many if you guys ever get in the car in the morning and you're head at someplace early in the morning, just sit in traffic. And
I tell you, guys, I do it all the time. I don't.
I don't just do it the morning. Just look around, look at
your mirror, look around and watch people watch I'm gonna put I'm gonna save.
Women do it a lot more than men. But where they finish their
grooming. I watched people shave in the car, like with their electric razor.
I'm like, you couldn't do that, like The thing always is is I love to watch women do their their eyelashes and then or like when they're at a stoplight. I'm like that, that's kind of be the most distracted.
I'm not putting you guys on blasts. I'm just saying, look what
happened. I mean, do you wake up late all the time or do
is that just become a habit where you finish your makeup in the car in the car. And I actually do like this one because I've been traveling recently,
you know, I have, and I use two different applications for for my GPS, I use my regular maps, but I also use the waves app because sometimes I like ways it's always accurate, but I like it.
I don't think it is. But you have other you know that you have
other drivers with you, that your interaction. I told you we should design
let you interact with you as they say, to make adjustments before you go underway, right, get underway. Address vehicle systems like your GPS, your
seats, your mirrors, your climate controls. Is all kind of you should
but this is what I like. Or if Cameron drives your vehicle in the
vehicle and readjust everything back to the way that you you had it because he's touched now kidding in your vehicle. Everything in your vehicle does need to make
sense, like like things you're like, why did you even touch this?
I don't even know why he even had to touch this. I'm bored at
the traffic light. Right. But at the end of this comment, they
say, decide on your route and check traffic conditions ahead of time. Well,
and the reason why I say that is because there's many of times I've sat in traffic this last week and they rerouting. Re routing. Yep,
I knew Maps does not automatically reroute you. You have to click a button.
Okay, WI, you let me ask you a question. So when
you guys set GPS, if you guys, I use GPS a lot.
I mean, even for places I've already been. I don't know. I
find myself. And here's the reason why I do it. I find myself
sometimes distracted by people in the car. So even someplaces I've I've been a
million times, I'll usually talk to my GPS, say set route to so and so and I've been there like twenty times. And I do that just
kids from driving. I missed the exit and I missed the exit or whatever.
I just do it. So it talks to me, like where do
we They're like, what are you doing that? They're like, you have
you've been there? I'm like, but we get to talk like this because
we were talking about I have something China, guys, what are you talking about? I drive around until I find the locations. Just drive around to
get lucky and funded. You guys catch the Uber conversation from a couple of
weeks ago last week's show. You can always catch it on any podcast platform
Apple Podcasts about the crazy ye drive around to find Uber. But I will
say that I use a GPS a lot. But I don't like that I
do because I feel like my navigation skills are lost because of that. Do
you like you? Like you just you know it's at you're not. We
should host like an event where we give everybody like a map, you know, and you have to use the handheld map to get to like a certain coordination. Probably cheat you, okay, So because you just take their phones
the phones drivers that they didn't make you pull out a map and like looking at roadmap, So we had to like to be looking like those teachers signed out my form and said, hey, don't turn this in into a week later. Okay. I mean, here's the thing. So I remember,
like I used to a lot of you all out that did so. I
had the big spiral notebook. They had all the maps in it. Like
you had the map in it. You went from page to page in a
spiral notebook, and that's how you drove in America. I had a big
thick one, and I drove across I wrote, drove cross country three or four different times with that spiral map. Like you. I'm like, you
just go to the next page and now you're here, and you keep on going. And that's what we did. And that's on the book, you
know, was on top of the map barely it was. And I'm not
lying like so quickly. I know. I got to take an the quick
commercial break. I think I told you guys, I took a road trip
cross country. Ended up meeting up with like a group of cars, and
we kept on stopping and getting gas together. That's ones I got all the
tickets with. We all got the same ticket, but we exchanged CDs.
We didn't know each other, and we exchanged CDs at the gas station.
These are people I just literally you're driving in a group, and we all got off at what time and got gas and we talking while we're at the gas. Days. That's how things changed from now to then, you know,
right, So but we were talking. We got back on the freeway
together, but we exchanged CDs because we were listening to We're like stuff on cut what kind of music you got in your car? And we literally and
then the next time we stopped and got gas out, we changed the CDs.
But imagine though, they you gave him a really good CD and he gives you something really bad, really bad. You're like, I'm stuck with
this the whole ride. He gives me some green days like it was it
was back think the big thing was like home seats, like something that you would burnt yourself, that had a bunch of music. Like it was like
you're nineteen ninety seven graduation class CD, you know what I mean? Like
that was That's what it was. I mean, But it wasn't ninety seven
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host, Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back. So new topic.
Ready, I'm ready this This one's kind of seeing all right? So
when does art stop being art? And just kind of cameras say you shouldn't
say it that way, but I don't know any other way to say it.
I'm gonna say it starts being silly. It doesn't make sense, you
know, It's just it falls along the line of was that really are That's when it comes to like cars. So what brought this up was, you
know, I see a lot of people doing like strange things in their cars.
Right, Like I saw one two weeks ago where the guy had every single badge off a car, Right, that's cool glued to his car?
No, glued to his car? Is it cool? Now? Because like
any other panel, every panel, like he just was like every single model make and it was his numbers in a car or right, he just was like I don't know, like grilla bluing him to the body panels of the car. And it was at the light and I couldn't help but look at
it. I was just like, Okay, I didn't know what is that
art? Or is that just you know, what I mean, like,
and I understand. Like, now, you guys heard me say a lot
of times, So I defend a lot of people where people go, man, that car is a piece of crap, and I go up to you, to somebody else, they might have saved their whole life to buy that car. So what you think is a junk maybe everything to them. And
I found that theory a lot. Because there's a guy, and I've told
the story a few different times, there's a guy has a certain car.
I won't see what model is because if anybody's no simmling in the area, you guys know what I'm talking about. But his car needs some work,
right, I mean it's it's a car, but it needs to work.
But that guy I see waxing his car, like in every parking lot.
Every time I see him, he's in a parking lot and he's waxing that I enjoy it, right, and it is nothing special to anybody, probably other than him. So my respect for that guy is like, Wow,
he really cherishes what he has and he Now keep in mind the car, the car needs some work. I mean, that's just that's not going to
be mean. It's me just being realistic. He and don't say, well,
maybe he was trying to go for the rat rod and look or something like that. No, that's not what he's trying to go for. He
like, but in my mind, he may have saved. He has a
perfect car for police chase. Because think about it. Okay, what type
of car is it. It's a toy, it's a different car. It's
two different cars we're talking about around out. Yeah, it could be his
winter car. Wow, you guys gotta winter car hack story. You guys
gonna go check that one out. You're right, winning car. But I've
seen this guy for years, this particular car in this guy, I've seen him years for years and years. He still owns the car. It's got
to be over ten years and I still see the guy. He's waxing the
car. Now what I mean, he's waxing it. There is body panels
that probably should be replaced on that car. There's some rust holes and stuff
like that, but he is still out there waxing right over those rust holes.
Like you know, they say, if you let it go, there's prize. That's something. But so you translate that over into the guy that
has all the different logos and symbols and names and everything on his car.
Is that art? Or is that just is there? Is there something to
be worried about When that guy said the light next to me, and I just well, maybe maybe he's just maybe he's distracting you from something else.
You know how people get like dents and like the rear panels, so they get a dent in the hoods from the back handle, Like, is that how you can start? You? Like, I had a dance, so
I decided just to put a logo over it, because I see people do that with bumper star. But these are the plastic plates from Like I want
to say, the car is like a Chevy. I don't even remember what
it is, but it's got like it's got Nissan badges, Toyota badges, Honda badges. It's got you name it and the name it's got like Toyota
Cressula, the name written. Now anything he's found, he's going for a
theme. He's put it on that car. It's it's a path. So
is that art? These these people do these really strange like paint jobs to
their car, where I do like the new anime one like that. There's
people starting to see the anime paint jobs are doing something. Some of those
turn out pretty good, some are horrible, and now I'm like, okay, art didn't fit with function. But then some of them are. But
all right, I'll go in a completely different way when we start taking car parts and trying to like make things and we call it art, and I think sometimes that goes horribly wrong. Like if you guys look up. The
guy that dropped the big concrete statue on top of a tesla was in the news, I think it was this week or last week, and they're calling it art. I'm just like, what, I don't know. I'm just
like, I don't know if that's art. To me, that's just a
big boulder sitting on top of a car. I mean, I know,
like and I get art, but like the Nathanian and I are talking about, He's like, what about the guy that like, you know, walks through the dark on bubble wrap And they're like, oh, that's art, you know what i mean. I'm like, but is it? I don't
I don't know if it's just like I really feel like, so I've seen cars. So I saw a car somebody did complete like Leprechaun theme in the
interior, but it didn't fit with anything on the outside of the car.
So you open up the car and there's like there's there was like sown do.
I want to say it was crechade, but it was like it almost like it was velvet crecheade, like lens A lot of money put into it, they would, and but the outside of the car was like it was bad and I was just like it and they're they're eager to share it with you, and I I'm ben. I love when people stop and say,
hey, come check out my thing. But I'm sitting there. I'm going
art or a level of craziness that I don't understand, because mate, I've seen people with like five thousand dollars strange interiors inside cars and the car is probably worth like twelve hundred dollars. And I'm like, there's a level of
maybe that I don't understand here. That is that line between art and this
first maybe just a little crazy. You want what you want? I guess
you do, But where's that separation line? And then how do like I'm
always like my response always like, well that's different. I mean, I
don't know what else to say, because that's what I issues you've heard me say it a bunch of times. Well that's different. Hey, I'm always
like you like, I'm not I don't know, criticize or stuff. I
just it's something I wouldn't do. I wouldn't go on that route. I
mean, I don't care how much I like leprechauns or fruit loops or anything else. The weird things I've seen. I've seen cheeto design inside cars,
but the car would be on the car. Go look at yes, I
say, fruit I've seen it. Somebody's got a fruit loop looks like the
fruit loop box wrapped them on the car, and uh, he's got some license like coordinates with fruit loops some home or what it said. But it
was it was cool some of that stuff. I go, Okay, well
that's different. That's kind of cool, you know, I mean, like
would I do it? Probably not, but it's I mean it almost be
like, uh, I don't know, like getting like an animal inside of the animal instruction box and stuff like that and making that a rap and putting it on your car. I mean, he kind of I mean, is
that art or is that a level of crazy that I don't completely You think you would get sued if you did, you know how like they say tricks is for kids instead of tricks for kids is for kids? If you did
drift is for kids? You know? And like something you know, you
can't get something completely different. I mean I get where you're going with that,
but it's some kind of like the right rap to pull it off.
Like I think wraps are cool. Don't be wrong, guys. I'm you
know, I put one on a car if I can find the right thing, there's something. Yeah, we looked at putting one a rap on one
of our cars before, but it has to be like the right thing, like what we saw when it see what it was really cool where the guy took like his dog and stuff like that and in put it into the wrap so it was like little pictures of his dog and it was like you didn't even realize it was there until he pointed it out. But we did.
We saw it. We were like, I was like, oh, dude,
check that out. There's a lot And then that got the story.
It's like that's my dog, and I thought would be cool to hide him within the wrap of the car. Yeah, we immediately I thought it was
clever. It was unique and very clever. You know what I mean.
But then I see some of these rafts where I just I don't understand them, and once again you fall into the did we miss like the artistic like stamp that they were trying to go for. One just doesn't talk to you,
though many talks to someone else. I don't. Maybe I don't think
I'm that far I really have a story. I don't. Maybe it does,
but I truly I can. You guys, if you guys have met
me out of any of the car shows that we go to nationwide, and you guys have talked to me, you know I can respect a lot of cars. Like I picked cars that nobody would ever pick at a car show.
I can say that a hundred times we had collectively picked cars at car shows that people would never pick, and there because they're oddball, off the wall, something that's not the normal. I got in. You know,
there's a one hundred thousand dollars, you know, Camaro sitting there, and I picked the Russ that mobile sit next to it, because I just I see the level, the level of creativity and artistic form that goes into building that vehicle. I appreciate that more than not that I don't like a souped
up Camaro that's really cool. It's chromed out. But a lot of stuff's
bought off the shelf and things like this will create it. So I,
you know, I So it's not that I don't appreciate that. It's just
sometimes art doesn't fit function. And I'm like, I mean, and I
don't know if that's even the right term for what I'm trying to explain, but I just want. I guess what comes down to is, I don't
understand a bould order on top of a tesla and we call that art.
I don't that works for somebody I don't know, And then somebody's gonna say that's that's my car or that's my art. I already I'm getting blasted,
But I just I wonder, And I use that as an example. That's
not exactly where it is, but that's what opened my eyes to it, where I go, Okay, well, I've seen a lot of weird things when it comes to art and cars being involved, and they call it art.
Like I saw one where they took half a taxi cab apart, right and they hung it on the wall as art. I agree, that's art,
And I thought, really, neat. Now, somebody else might look
at it and go, oh, that was stupid, that was a waste of time, But that was art to me. I was just like,
okay, I would have never thought about taking an old taxi cab apart and then like arranging the parts and hanging on the wall where it wasn't exactly the car, but the parts were stacked on top of each other, so you knew it was an old taxi, but it didn't like that. It's a
little different than a border on a car. There's only so much you canna
look at it, is Hey, instead of creating a pontiaxon, we're gonna be hanging a car on top of the I've always hanging on cool I saw, Uh, somebody sent me a picture. I don't know where it came
from. If whoever sends me, thank you. Uh. They sent me
a picture of a coontosh hanging on the wall really this guy's house. Now,
I don't know, it's kind of a whole car if it's been gutted or whatever, but a full body just looked like body and it's a cuontash and it's hanging on the wall in this guy's house. And I was just
like, man, now that's cool like that. I know you didn't have
to really do anything that's art. I don't know, especially on the wall,
but still, especially if you don't want to drive it right you get aways, you know, take it off the wall one day if you ever want to. I find it hard to believe that's the full car with the
motor and everything like that. Oh no, no, Still it looked cool.
It was neat to me, and I was like, Okay, that qualifies even though you didn't do anything that really had card. That qualifies this
art because it's neat. You walk in and go wow, take a look
at that, And I agree with you. But putting the f one on
the wall, we can buy them for cheat. By the way, they're
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want to jump into you guys with and ordering parts online. We've talked about
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Dave Polach. Hey, guys, welcome back. All right, So
I want to jump into this because I wasn't trying to mislead you guys and not get to it. There is a topic that's pretty important. It comes
up a lot when we're at car shows. People send me emails, people
send me texts, asking on the opinion and stuff like that. I get
a lot, but it keeps on affecting me directly lately. So I think
it's the content try is out there. So I get a lot of questions
about people going, why don't I just order that part online? I can
get that part on line. I order online. I'd rather order that part
line, or oh, I just want to order it through I've ordered parts on Thebay, or I want to do it through Amazon, or I want to do whatever. There's pros and cons. Okay, there is pros and
cons. There's a lot to it, like, okay, so you got
to understand that if you order the part online, a lot of times you take it to an auto garage, they don't A lot of auto garages nowadays won't mess with it. They won't even they don't want install it unless they
got the part and they know where the source of the part is. Because
sometimes you install the part and it doesn't work right out of the box, and then you seem like the big jerk at the auto garage because you installed it and out it doesn't work, and they don't understand why I got a new I got a new heart, I got I got a new There must be something you did, you know what I mean, like and it's just not the case. Well, they fast forward. So I told you guys
that you know, everybody's been like, man, what is going on with the bad am? And I'm like, look, it's we can't seem to
get parts for the thing, to save our life. And when we do
get parts, they're wrong, like they can't. I don't have a choice
but to order parts online for that car. Okay. It's not like I
could just run down to the local you know, parts store and get parts.
Trust me, I have many times went to our local vendors and when like, hey, can you get me X y or Z part for this guy? They like, no, it's a seventy seven I really can't get
unless it's something real basic. I just can't get it. So you were
stuck a bell or a seal. Yeah, yeah, well you get some
of the seals you can't eve fine, like seals. Seals are special order,
not too so it has taken a lot to do to track things down.
Everybody's like, well, you just ordered the part and it shows up.
Yeah. I wish it was that easy, guys, I really do
so I something show up, right, right, something does show up.
So the last thing was, as you guys know, we changed the suspension on the front of the trans am for like the second time, I'm figuring out what's set up, we want to do whatever, So I order spindles for the front of the car. All right, this should be easy.
First of all, couldn't find it took me forever to find anybody had any Every place I called, they'd had none in stock. Which makes me believe
that a lot of times online people just say this particular model, this particular car, and they just put it out there hoping that you go to their site, and then they don't really have it anyway. They just want you
to trickle into their site, so they just posted they have those parts available year to this year. But it really does well when you purchase it.
Then it's like, okay, well now you've spent the money. Now we
got to figure I'm not there yet, there yet, but I'm get there.
So it's happened to us a lot with trying to put the trans in together. And I have a lot of friends who you know, build custom
cars and stuff, and I have friends who have trans ams, and they're like, yeah, I ran in some of those issues, but I'm not running some some of the issues you're running too, And I don't know their story versus my story. So it's kind of hard to really relate the two.
What I can tell you is is, you know, getting control arms for it was a little bit of an issue to make sure that they're the right control arms. I finally found a company that does great and got us
a control arms. Took a little time for us to get it to them,
and I understand things happen stuff like that, so that was a time crunch. But and I'll be honest that I was a little irritated about because
it's like, I just want to put the car together. It has really
nothing to do with the company that supplied the part, but it kind of does because it's like, Okay, when you call the company, you're like, hey, how long do I get the part? They tell you to
a couple of weeks, and then you're a couple of months into it, you're storing your part, you are frustrated. And this is what happens with
ordering online. And so some of y'all don't have to run in this because
some of the things you guys trying to do are on newer cars and you're like, I'm just gonna order that part from you know, this online supplier and it comes in, but then if you don't want to put on yourself, you gotta find something you put it on. And a lot of like
I said, a lot of roads don't want to put other people's parts on.
Well, like you said, if it's a new car, you're kind of putting on you know, the same part, but with the order carl inventory, right, old inventory or something that they've made new, you know, to fit the car or to work around its kinks. And that's so
that's it. And then I hate when you don't have instructions, and so
you have these new cars you don't really know, no instructions coming. It's
not like the old thing that you're used to, which is something we ran into on the trans jam several times where I had to order something and something.
Somebody has made a machine and made for the car because you can't get the old one anymore. And now it's like the fit. You know,
it's gonna be a little bit different, but there's no instructions you can look at and physically go, Okay, this does not go back together exactly how I took it apart. I'm sure it fits the car, but there must
be a trick or something like that that makes this fit right, but there's no instructions. You can't find anything online and you're left there figuring out the
boys. And I had a struggle with putting the front end on this car
because a lot of stuff was different which you would think of. You know,
everybody's like, oh, it's plug and play. It's plug and play.
No it's not. And it looks but you can easily and we can
do as much research as you want to do, which we did. Take
my car for instance, I just ran into this problem, you know, I did. I ordered Coiopacs and I ordered O two centers, which I
did all the research I could coiopacs just like how you mentioned, you know, some sites just list the products on it, that's right, Coiopacs.
I did so much research that I found out that the manufacture for act was using a third party company. So I just ordered them through that, you
know. But like you said, they came when they sent me the email
receipt, it was from a different company, right but now through here, and I'm like, what's the world. So that happened. So I went
to the company that they emailed me from ordered the two central for them because it was cheaper and the part number that was matching up with the first site wasn't the part that they sent, so so it was like very similar to what happened on the TA. So I ordered the spindles, right, we
put the two bular control arms on it, and I have spindles, guys.
But the spindles are they've been They have a coating on them that was made in the seventies to protect them. The coating is just a real rubbery
coating. It doesn't really I could probably send it and be blasted, but
it was cheaper. When I did the math, it was cheaper to buy
new spindles than it was to sad the old ones out to be blasted.
Post Like me and Camera said, if you're gonna put new stuff on, you might as well have all new stuff new stuff, right, so to go ahead. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm just gonna order set of
spindles. Well, that turned into like three weeks of trying to find somebody
that had them in stock. Nobody had them. I finally they're like,
oh, we're out of stock. We're stock, which makes me believe.
I said, did you really ever have them in stock? But I find
somebody has them, I'm like, okay, I just need them. Just
send tea. I didn't even qualm over the price or anything. I'll like,
they cost what they cost. At least you got them send them to
me. I finally get them, and I want a head to go ahead
and to go test fit them. And they don't fit right. I'm like,
something is wrong. It just doesn't fit right. So I start doing
some resear I'm like, well, maybe I'm doing something something wrong. I
knew I wasn't doing anything wrong, which is something you should do, but right, I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong, but I just was I needed to go down the rabbit hole and make sure I didn't miss anything.
And basically what it is is all the ball joints don't fit right into everything.
So I was like, something's just not right. So I called the
company. I order fro. I'm like, hey, or you know,
trying to be nice or are these parts from you guys there? I have
a fitment issue. Here's the issue. I took pictures and I'm like,
can I send you these pictures. Let you take a look at them and
you tell me what you think they're like? Sure, I send the pictures
out and I don't hear anything back, so then I had to call them again. I'm like, hey, sent pictures, hadn't heard anything back.
At this point, I have the product. I don't know if the product's
right because it's a spindle. There's no stamping on saying it goes to that
car, and it's not made the same way as the old spindles are, so you can't like line them up and go okay, this is an exact match. Is something difference, but machine to made. So we just kind
of went back and forth, and finally the day I just kind of had enough and I was like, look, here's the deal. I ordered the
parts from you guys who, by the way, why Cameron said, ordered them through somebody else. I ordered it through them, and they placed in
order through somebody else who sent them out. When I finally got the company
on the phone who they were made by, it was so lax a daisical that they didn't fit. I'm like, they don't fit. Here's what I'm
experiencing. He's like, oh, well, I guess you know, you
could send me some pictures and we maybe these are plug and play. I
mean, I don't understand what the problem is. You sure you're doing everything
right. And I'm like, dude, you just told me they play it's
plug and play? Is that what I was thinking about? Hew, you
just told me it's plug and play. Well, I went ahead and did
some research, and as I researched, they don't even make a spindle for my car. So I'm trying to figure out, Like, you know,
I went and found the you know, I know the company I'm dealing with it they ordered through. So I went to that company's direct website, punched
into my year making model, and they don't make a spindle for my car.
Yet I got a spindle from them. That's one their spindle. So
I'm like, how do I end up with a spindle for my car that you on your own website don't make? And then so that of course I
had to call back who I ordered it through. I said, here's what
I found in my own research, and then she went and backtracked. She
goes, You're right, I don't see where they make that part for your car. I don't know how it was they said they were able to supply
one when they don't make one. Well, it's just like how I made,
you know, I made phone calls because I was just a little bit hectic on ordering part because it was just a lot of money to be able to go, Okay, I'm going to send this much money to this company and not even know if it's right. So after I started making phone calls
after getting the receipt and they were like, well, you know, we have a manufacturer plant that makes all the same parts, and all their job is to do is at the end of the assembly line they have three different punches. Is it this company, isn't this company or is it this company?
You know, I wish it's the same for me. It wasn't that
easy for me, right, So for me, it was, Hey, I looked on my own I don't see where this company that you sent me makes a spindle. So I'm believing maybe the spindle I have is not for
my car. I see they specialize in Chevy trucks. Was coming to is
that you got kind of your own research? Is the favorite? That's what
I was upset about it, Like, but this is what you run into with ordering things online. You just don't know, guys. And that's the
reason why I would say order online if you have to, you have to, if you want to, you want to, but you may run into situations like this like I did. So finally today they're like, look,
we're gonna call this other manufacturer. Make sure they make a direct part for
your car. I'll put you on home. They call, they they say
they make it. I was like, well fit while I currently have in
the car tubular control arms. They say that, well, I got cool.
So they're gonna send me that part out. But we played you know,
the good ol whack you know what game? You know, well,
let's call something else. But we played it for like three weeks trying to
figure out that. I think you sent me a part that goes on a
truck and I wouldn't know it because it's special made, you know what I mean. And that's reason why it doesn't fit right. The story will go
on. They're gonna send me some new parts. Holy ipp by the end
of the week, I'll be able to tell you guys here shortly rather they actually fit or not, and then we'll not listen. It all got figured
out. It is careful what you buy. Careful buy online. This is
the reason I always tell you guys, that's my own little personal story with it, because it's kind of crazy guys. On that note, I gotta
go ahead and get out of here. I can't believe the show. What
went by so fast? Like it seems to every single week. I mean,
I don't know about the week. But if you guys like the show,
you can go back. You can listen to the parts you might have
missed. If not, go onto any of the podcasts. You can listen
to three hundred different episodes that are loaded for you guys to listen to of shows back all the way back forever. I guess. So they're all there,
you guys can listen to them. We're gonna ahead and get out of
here. We're gonna wrap it up. Hey, you guys got anything before
we get out of here. We'll see you guys next weekend. Keep an
eye out on our Facebook page for car shows coming up, bunch coming up that note, guys, that is it. We're gonna get out here injury
your guys Easter weekend. Remember there's some car shows going on out there today.
Definitely get out in your area. See if you guys got in your
areas well, because there's something in our area on. We're gonna get get
out of here. I'm not gonna hold you guys up. I will talk
to you guys soon, See you next week.
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