Santos Smugglers, Cat Attack, SEMA Buzz - Shift & Steer EP540

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Hey, everyone!

If you're signed on, then you probably already know that it's shiftin' stair.

And we're all here, and welcome to the party, pals.

Hey, another addition.

Do you guys know we're up to episode 540?

Really?

Yeah, 540.

And, you know, the thing about it is that that means that the next episode will be 541.

Just so you know, if you hadn't been...

But will it, Brad?

Maybe it'll be a lost episode.

We'll just jump to 545.

Yeah, maybe we'll go to 545.

Or maybe we'll go to 600.

Who knows?

Yeah, let's just find a better number.

That are the crazy things that we do, you know?

And speaking of crazy things, let's start the show out on a positive high note this week

and get right into it about the cat that escaped New York.

Eats the cat, if you remember Eats the cat.

I just remember escaping New York, you know?

Who's the actor in that?

They did escape LA, escape...

That was Kurt Russell.

Kurt Russell.

Yeah, Kurt Russell.

Well, by happenstance, this cat's name is Kurt Russell.

Kurt Russell.

It is now.

That'd be awesome.

They should now.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

That'd be awesome.

It's got wild hair and a beard.

But yeah, they said this cat lived in New York and the family decided that...

Excuse me, I messed this up, you know?

So, I apologize to all the listeners, I apologize to my co-hosts.

All the cats.

But I read it wrong, I misread it, and the cat actually started out in Pennsylvania

embarking on an adventure to New Hampshire and New York City.

So I really let you down.

I had escaped from New York, you're on the edge of your seats.

It's escape.

Kid in Pennsylvania.

Are you sure it was a cat?

Because you just said it was barking.

You're right.

It was a pet elephant.

No, it's not.

It's gonna be what the house does.

They had no idea their cat was on top of the van.

Now, had no idea it was on top of the van for 100 miles at 70 miles an hour average.

Clearly no sunroof, you know.

Yeah.

What kind of van was this?

I think it was a minivan.

I don't know.

I'll have to get farther in, you know.

I'm reading the article as we go.

That's how I roll, man.

I hope it had roof bars to help hold them down, you know.

Somebody said they were leaving New Hampshire.

We've got a van full of kids.

We've been running a marathon on Sunday and she said video posted on Instagram.

We're going to New York City to see Hamilton.

And they traveled 100 miles and then found out they had a cat on there.

Their cat on top.

Terrible.

After stopping at a gas station.

And the cat was on the roof hanging on for dear life, obviously.

James.

Yeah.

Do you think that cat ran to him or was like, what the hell, man?

You know, I mean.

You know, I had a car ship from New York to LA and it had a mouse when it got here in it.

And I was like, hmm, I wonder how we're ruining LA by bringing, you know, New York mice here

and are like, now what sort of breed are we going to have?

What's going on?

Where are they going to go?

Like, hey, it was more than one.

It's a real problem.

I brought black widows to Lake Tahoe.

And anytime someone goes, hey, there's black widows in Lake Tahoe.

Like I helped with that.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Sorry about that.

They were in a car I brought.

So the cat was on the roof for 100 miles, mining his own business.

Probably a little hungry, probably a little cold, a little scared.

I guess he just like makes himself as small as possible and just hides somewhere.

Is there anything on the roof?

We don't know if it was like.

We don't know.

There's no picture of the van.

I would love to see the van because it's like, you know, was there a luggage rack for him

to hold on to?

Actually, yeah.

You know, was one of those tooly things and he crawled inside that.

I mean, you know, that's, you know, I've heard of this new trend in New York City of kids

subway surfing.

And that's not good because they're falling off.

Yeah.

I could probably fit one of those tooly containers on the roof of a van.

You can smuggle me in.

I'm sure you wouldn't be the only person that's been put in one of those.

Oh yeah.

Lots of border crossings with that thing.

Oh, this is terrible.

I looked it up as we were talking and trying to find other articles on it.

There's all these memes of the cat holding on.

One of them just like sitting up there, like all casual.

And so, oh, wait, wait, wait.

I just think of like Aunt Edna from, from Vegas, from the vacation movies, from the,

not Vegas, but the vacation movie that Aunt Edna wrapped in a blanket, but shaped like

a body sitting on the roof.

And it's pouring rain.

She's driving.

They're like, we can't have a dead body in the car.

Let's keep Aunt Edna on the roof.

You sure this wasn't a stunt for a new movie or something, but the cat survived.

The cat survived.

Right.

You know what?

This isn't the first time because on May 23rd, there's an article here that a family traveling

on a Nebraska highway captured a video of a cat surfing on the roof of a van while the

vehicle's driver was unaware at 60 miles an hour.

And they have a picture of this one.

Damn cat looks like he's holding on for dear life.

Oh man.

Like what sign language do you use to the driver that there's a cat on his roof?

Like, like what's the sign for cat?

You know?

I don't know.

Cats don't have horns.

You know?

Yeah.

Exactly.

My fear would be the guy would just like slam on his brakes because he was afraid.

You know, there's something on your, there's someone on your roof, you know, not something

on your roof.

He slams on the brakes.

So it's nice.

Holds up a signboard.

Cat on roof.

Right.

Yeah.

Like people like, I don't even know what that means.

I don't know what that means.

Cat on the roof.

Is that some sort of?

I'm not going to that play.

Exactly.

Yeah.

No, we're going to see Hamilton.

You mentioned Kurt Russell.

I, I was at, I was at a party years ago at Dennis Quaid's house.

He did like a block party and he was singing because he's a musician.

He's got a band and, and somehow we got invited to that.

But he was telling me, I think he was telling me about it or his wife was telling me about

it.

But anyway, there was something on the news, like a good morning America or something like

that.

And they're going, we're doing the pet adoption.

We've got these cats and on TV, they had this cat.

They're like, this cat's up for adoption.

He really needs a family.

We've named him Dennis Quaid.

And somebody sent that to him and he watched it and he's like, I will adopt that cat.

He's like, Dennis Quaid, the cat will live with Dennis Quaid, the person.

And he has.

So great.

He has the cat.

He's like, of course that's great.

I'm going to have it.

So now at home, people go like Dennis Quaid, like he will respond.

The cat.

Although he renamed it Randy.

They probably did probably.

Is it your one dog, a moderator?

No, but I should change his moderator.

You know, my dogs, when they, they had weird names because you've seen them, Henry and

Toby and they looked like a Henry and Toby.

They were Phoenix and Levi.

Oh, they look like a Phoenix and Levi.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think they look like a Phoenix and Levi at all.

And I don't even know if that was like the names that somebody had because they were

like one and two and they were adopted.

So I don't know if they, if just like the adoption place, whatever the shelter had those

names for them or somebody left them there with those names.

I don't know.

But Phoenix and Levi is not, that's not.

That happens with dogs.

You know, Murphy at the pound, they had named him Chewie, you know, like Chewbacca.

Yeah.

He was all overgrown and everything.

Yeah.

And then, of course, I was going to name him Angus and Charlotte talked me out of that

and we went with Murphy.

So I like to be like the beat.

They don't like that.

Like the guitar player.

I know.

I'm guessing that's the Angus.

Yes.

I was just thinking Angus, great name for him, you know, but the dog was thinking like

the beef.

Yeah.

Right.

He wasn't going for it.

Yeah.

He was thinking, yeah.

But now I see Murphy.

Yeah.

Murphy.

Yeah.

Totally.

It's like George was George.

They kind of after a while, they become that, you know?

Did I tell you about when Misha was walking our dog?

Our dog's name is Pesto for those of you that don't know.

He's a little French bulldog and he's dappled.

He's a mural.

So it's like a brindle, but it's more dappled than striped.

And his name is Pesto Luso.

And Pesto is kind of a mouth fart.

We were trying to come up with names.

And my son's going, we should name him, you know,

Enzo and or Luso.

And like we're coming up with all these Ferrari names and Pista came

into my head.

But I was, I was hearing Fin say Luso.

So I said Pesto and we all went Pesto.

And then we went, that's just kind of cool,

but we still like Luso with our friends, kids name is Enzo.

So we couldn't do that.

Anyways, so we called him Pesto Luso,

but Misha was walking one day and some guy probably flirting with her

was, was like going, Hey, what's your dog's name?

She goes Pesto.

He goes, Oh yeah, he is kind of green.

It's kind of green.

It's like really?

No.

What's the name of the new Ferrari SUV?

I can never remember.

The Piero Sangue.

Yeah.

That's what you should have named him.

Piero Sangue.

Yeah.

Sangue or Sangue?

I think it's Sangue.

Piero Sangue.

I always get that messed up.

Yeah.

It's pure, pure what?

Pure stallion or pure?

I mean something.

Pure bread.

I don't know.

We had a, we had something like that.

We had a pure bread poodle when we were growing up.

That was like a show dog or something that we got.

We rescued it and it's paperwork.

I remember when I was a kid, looking at the paperwork gun.

Why?

We called him Poodie, you know, wow, original Poodie,

but his real name was Shufi Pride of Elm tree.

Because these show dogs all had these like extravagant names.

That sounds like a poodle show dog name.

Shufi Pride of Elm tree.

I remember that.

I thought you were going to say his real name was Datsun.

Datsun.

I named him Nissan, but his real name was Datsun.

I don't know how we ended up going down this rabbit hole.

It's still on a motor for later.

But, you know, the little dog Toby, their Instagram is the

stinker dogs.

So we call them stinker dogs.

And then we said his presidential name is Tobias Jefferson

stinkers in the third.

That's pretty fun.

Along that same lines, talking about these dogs and everything.

Did you know that the Lamborghini Huracan has.

Was originally named after a dog.

Has eight oil drain plugs.

I bet you didn't know that, did you?

Like nipples.

Yeah.

Like, you know.

I thought you were going to say it was originally called

Labrador.

Lamborghini.

Oh, we're pushing.

Why?

Why does it have eight oil drain plugs?

Because Lamborghini figured out that they could get them in

and out sooner and make more money per hour by draining it

faster and getting it back out on the lot.

So one technician per drain plug.

Yes.

They do it all at the same time.

It takes eight people to drain the oil.

No, they are a dry sump motor.

Yeah.

And so the dry sump has, for those of you who don't know,

it means instead of an oil pan where you've got all the oil down

below, it is pumped in and it is held in a tank remotely.

And the lines pump it in and out.

And it's, it's also can be directed more to specific areas in

a motor that you might need.

Much more complicated.

And there's a lot more areas where the oil can sit.

So you've got the, you've got the, the oil tank,

then you've got the lines, then you've got the dry sump,

which isn't always necessarily even, or excuse me, it is even.

So they probably put a couple of them so that it doesn't have

some residual oil in it.

Let's put it down.

Because everything's not on the same plane.

It's at different levels in between the motor and the sump

and the tank.

So you have to drain those lower levels of oil.

Yeah.

And it prevents any sort of oil sloshing like in the pan.

So it won't starve if you're taking a turn or accelerating.

It just gives us this constant flow of, of, of oil.

Yeah.

Bugatti Veyron.

It has 16.

One for each cylinder.

Yeah.

Well, and I would imagine you have to remove the whole entire

bottom panels.

Oh yeah.

You've got to remove all those belly pans and just to change

the oil.

And you know, they're like, oh no, each, each, each oil drain

plug has a little crush washer on it.

So you have to replace each one at probably 90 bucks a bolt.

Yeah.

Maybe more.

Maybe it's 180 bucks a bolt.

You got to do that times 16.

And you can't just do it in any order.

It has to be a specific order and there are torquing specs for

undoing them, not just doing them.

Well, but here's the thing.

Bugatti.

Un-torquing specs.

Don't work on their own cars.

So.

It makes sense that there would be an order.

Yeah.

Right.

Oh, there's an order.

Like if you're bleeding the brakes, you start at the front,

you go to the back, so you can fill the lines, blah, blah,

blah, blah.

But an order of undoing it to drain the oil, but it doesn't

make any sense that there's a torque spec to undo the bolt.

I made up the torque spec.

I wanted to see.

You're making that up.

The un-torquing spec I made up for.

That was literary license.

Okay.

That's what we call it here.

I mean, it wouldn't put a pass at Bugatti to be like, hey,

we have a spec for everything.

Speaking of Bugatti, they'd have a special wrench that you had to

buy to do it specifically for that.

That's more like.

Yeah.

And that's $7,000.

Bugatti.

For bolt.

Remac.

Bugatti Remac, right?

Like the Monte Remac went to go buy Bugatti and it was a deal

with Porsche and Porsche wanted to be the majority shareholder,

but Remac won that out.

He's the majority shareholder.

I just read recently that now he wants to buy out Porsche.

He said he's got the investors and private equity to back him and

offer like 1.1 billion to buy Porsche out.

And he was just saying, I just want to be able to make decisions

for this company without a committee of 50 people.

Like I want to be able to go.

This is, this is what we're going to do.

But this guy's 30 something years old.

And I think he was like an engineer or something at Kona's egg.

If I got that right.

Yeah.

He has some cool history like that.

Yeah.

And how he just turned into more of like a financial guy, I guess.

I'm sure he's involved on the engineering to some degree, but just

interesting sort of this eccentric kind of genius finance guy,

a little bit of a Elon Musk thing going on.

But, you know, but instead of rockets and stuff, it's electric cars,

which is weird because it's like, it's not like he built the company

RIMAC.

And if I'm saying that, right.

And it was so massive that he had the buying power to buy a Bugatti.

They, that RIMAC, the Vera, which is the super fast electric car.

I think they sold 10 of those things.

Right.

Like this isn't $400 million of revenue.

This is like $40 million of revenue.

Yeah.

And but just got the backing of some big money people or institutions

and was able to make a play for Bugatti and roll that up underneath them.

We should follow up on this because he is a very interesting guy.

And there's a really neat top gear.

I don't know how old it is.

It's fairly recent, I think.

Did you guys see that where it's him?

It's the gentleman from Singer.

It's, it's Koenigsegg.

I think it's just the three of them and then the hosts and they,

they all brought like one or two cars of their, their top of the line and

they all take each other for drives and they're all the passengers.

And it's, it's really interesting to see the, the, the, the,

the singer gentleman is definitely the more conservative of all of them.

But Koenigsegg, really like he's, he's a, he's a hard driver.

Like he, he's a hard driver.

He's a fascinating guy too.

He's kind of a math scientist genius.

I've interviewed him a few times.

Yeah.

But they kind of all are in their own way and seeing such different.

You have to be to want to start a super car company.

I mean, seriously, you know, it's a totally, but I would suggest you guys,

it's on YouTube through top gear.

It's a, it's about a half an hour.

It's a cool episode.

It's kind of surprising cause, cause they're, they're,

they're driving as a passenger in their own car with one of the other guys.

And either either the singer or the gentleman from, from Remak Bugatti.

And it's really interesting cause you kind of get to see a different version of

them as they are with each other.

And it's, it's pretty cool.

It's, it's, it's, I was really surprised by it.

I'd recommend it.

Yeah.

Where do you find it on the tube?

Yeah.

I was just, I was just going down to YouTube.

I'm on YouTube.

The algorithm really knows me.

Well, you, you, you have snow up there, Aaron.

So you have time to.

Yeah.

I have snow and a sick dog and bad back and I don't know.

It's, it's, I'm just painting.

I got a new painting.

I'm about to debut.

I just finished three others.

I've been a painting fool lately cause I got nothing else to do but put

YouTube on and paint.

Not a bad life.

I must say.

Yeah.

Although, although my clothes are getting a little tight.

I've been like super busy working on bond speed streetwear.com.

Yeah.

No plug there.

No plug.

And, and I, I do like the Tiki.

Yeah.

I do like the Tiki top fuel.

I think that's a good idea.

Thank you.

I thought who blends Tiki's and top fuel to love, you know, and why not?

I get it.

There's nothing as good as a wooden engine.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's right, man.

It's, it's the right kind of wood though.

You know, it's, um, I think we need to take a break.

You know what, Matt?

Let's do that.

Take a break right now.

Hey, we're back and I missed you guys.

Thanks.

Yeah.

I missed you guys too.

I, you know, um, and I just want to say that, uh, break was brought to you by Bravago.

Uh, yep.

So buy it, drink it, buy it, drink it, buy it, get it.

Um, you know, uh, where can they find it, Matt?

Total wine.

They can find it in total wine and so Cal, uh, or you can buy it online.

There you go.

Pretty sure.

I mean, I haven't bought it online in a little while, but we never go to our own websites

and buy our own.

Yeah, I should just to make sure it still works, but I haven't seen anybody complaining,

but yeah, drink Bravago.

You know, holidays are coming up.

Start ordering.

Yeah.

You could sit around in your bondspeedstreetwear.com and drink Bravago.

Somebody should show us a picture of that.

Yeah.

That'd be perfect.

There you go.

Uh, uh, speaking of booze too, uh, it was pretty cool.

60 minutes just did a, uh, a story on, I went on when you saw that with dad.

I saw that.

I didn't realize cause went so you have to tell a little bit of the backstory,

but I knew it was complicated and the story wasn't sort of ours to tell.

And I didn't really know the details, but now that it's out there just real quick,

just back up on like what happened.

So, so, uh, almost, almost a year ago, like a year ago, right?

For the holidays,

dad and guy with their Sonto tequila had just finished a five year batch of the

Eniejo, right?

Like a super Eniejo and it was vintage, right?

So they only had so much and it had to come from Mexico,

from Jalisco, I believe, right?

It comes up from Jalisco and then it comes into a port.

Uh, it's driven, it's driven across the border.

Anyway, uh, so they had a trucking company, logistics company, uh,

receiving it and then transporting it to the distributor.

I forget where they are.

They're somewhere in the Midwest, Indiana or something in Annapolis is somewhere.

And, uh, and from there it gets distributed to all the hubs.

So that's the main hub where it gets imported.

And, uh, right for the holidays and it was like, like everything was on it.

Like it was all that inventory of all that five year tequila.

And, uh, somebody boosted it, but they didn't like, you know,

hold a gun up to the driver and say, Hey, we're stealing your shit.

They had documentation.

They had paperwork.

They had trucks with a label on the side.

They had, they had, uh, you know,

suits and clothing and, and, uh, of the trucking company,

they appeared to be a legitimate trucking company.

And I couldn't talk about this last year because it was still under investigation,

but it's, it's been, it's come full circle.

So, uh, so yeah, uh, uh, it was a third party.

So, so the, the, the, the logistic company hires a trucking company.

That turns out that they hire a trucking company,

that they hire a trucking company.

So, so three different trucking companies from legit, from legit, uh,

all these sub companies and somewhere it's all done online.

It's none of it's done in person.

And I guess it's a big problem.

And, uh, the firearms, tobacco, you know, the ATF, um, uh, is involved in it.

And, and, and all these things because stuff just gets stolen.

And, and it's amazing how frequently it happens and how infrequent we hear about it.

But, but really, uh, it ended up in a warehouse in Southern California,

I think Long Beach or San Diego, they found, uh, they found one of the drivers,

uh, under investigation and he's like, Hey man, I'm just a driver.

Like I own a company and I was told to, to bring it to this area.

So, so the paperwork that was done online just went down the road.

Uh, to a contractor that were criminals and they hired a supposedly

an innocent trucking company who'd picked it up and delivered it to this warehouse

in Southern California.

Uh, I believe they got some of it back and were able to put it on the shelves

in time for the holidays.

Um, but there's still a quantity that, that, that was, uh, that, that wasn't

recovered.

Um, but yeah, it's on 60 minutes.

Uh, again, you can find it online, but it's an interesting story.

A guy does all the talking, the dad stayed out of it.

He was, he was, he was doing something, you know, his birthday down in Mexico or

so.

But, uh, yeah, it was, uh, pretty interesting, but yeah, it's, it's a

terrible reality that it's not, it's not uncommon for like hire a trucking

company and they outsource to smaller regional trucking companies, depending

on where it's going or they're sharing trucks or going, Hey, we're going

east, you're going west.

We're going to outsource to you and they're going to go, yeah, we'll take

that job, but then they can't do it.

So they'll outsource.

It's kind of nuts.

Even though we had our first distributor, which actually made bad

product, even during the, the trucking, uh, the driver strike from years

ago, they, they just decided not to work.

So if somebody had picked up all of our product, a semi truck full was

driving it.

They went on strike.

He just parked his truck in a lot and walked away and left.

And then a minivan picked it up with a cat on top.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Like they had to use like a number of different, like just the paperwork

to get the, the number from the truck to find out where it is and use

GPS and find the truck.

Cause the company was like, that's still our truck.

Regardless of what's in it, we want the truck back.

So they went to go find the truck when they found the truck, our product

who was in it, they had to like cut the lock off, back up another truck,

unload all of our product.

And I'm like, who's paying for all this?

I was like, I don't feel like I should be paying for all this, but you know,

you know, we really take for granted how, how complicated that whole system

is.

A little shady though, but it can be, but like, uh, I ordered some canvas

tape stuff, fill up the back of the truck.

Yeah.

I get these stereo speakers.

If you need something, they fill up in the back of a truck.

You know,

I ordered some canvas tape like book restoration tape because I was really

tired of trimming the back of my canvases and they look all wonky.

And you know, I get a nice premium for my work.

So I wanted to tidy up the back just because I did.

So I bought some archival canvas tape that's really clean and nice.

And, and the first order never showed up.

And so I go on Amazon.

I'm like, Hey, you know, where's, where's my tape?

And it turns out that it made it all the way to Tahoe from wherever it

came from all the way to Tahoe.

It's a European product and, uh, and, and, and, and same thing.

A truck had it here and that truck broke down and it transferred it to

another truck.

And in that transaction, it got lost right here in town on the day it was

supposed to be delivered.

So three weeks later, I got my other one yesterday, three weeks later,

and I finished almost four paintings in the meantime.

And I wanted to back the last one I shipped to Hawaii.

I really wanted to back that one because it's for a very, not,

they're all special people, but this one was a very, very special person.

And I wanted to, to make sure it was real tidy and I didn't have my tape.

But yeah, right here in town, logistics, something happened during the

shipment, during the transfer, and they lost my package.

But imagine like, we don't even know.

And what was it in Southern California a year or two ago by the,

by one of the aqueducts or something behind the train tracks,

they found thousands and thousands and thousands of packages.

Do you guys remember that?

Oh, well that's when they were busted into the train tracks.

Yeah. And just pulling stuff out.

Yeah.

I mean, I've told you guys, I think before, um, they lost my El Camino once.

What?

I won't say what trucking company, but, um, I was having it shipped to

the Midwest for a show and they, um,

I think it switched trucks like you're talking about.

They had to switch trucks and then they just lose tracking.

Oh, and, and it was going to Omaha.

But what happened was they had a truck that had to get to Detroit.

So they went straight to Detroit and then it was supposed that was

offloaded in one of their holding warehouses and it was supposed to get put on

another truck the next day.

Well, it got farther back, farther back in the warehouse and they didn't know

where it was for like two weeks.

It was stressing me out, man.

And then they finally, oh, they called me like, no big deal.

Like, oh yeah, hey, um, we're going to be delivering your car, you know,

blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, well, you found it.

And they're like acting like they didn't even know what I was talking about.

Yeah, we did.

We always knew where it was.

Yeah.

Because it was right next to a case of mullets.

Yeah.

I finally talked to somebody and they said, yeah, this is what happened.

And it was sitting next to a bunch of pallets.

It was there was pallets of Santos in front of it.

Yeah.

They were like, it was at the Mannheim auction in Texas.

We didn't get what we wanted for it.

Exactly.

Didn't meet the reserve.

So we put it back on the truck.

Matt, I have to say that.

That is one of my favorite things you've ever said to me was, was when you

called dad's El Camino the mullet of muscle cards.

I love that so much that anytime I see anything like that, it pops right in the

front.

Yeah.

I wish I invented that, but that's not me.

That's been around for a long time.

I've never liked it, but I love it.

You know what Matt just said something right there that is scary thought.

Can you imagine if you put your car with one of the big, you know, carriers and

it's like a week of a big auction and somehow it got delivered to some auction.

And they're like, you know, yeah, well, the VIN's not quite mentioned, but this

must be the one that Bob Phillips said.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

It goes across the block.

Can you imagine unwinding that mess?

That would be.

I'm sure there's plenty of like checks and balance like the Mannheim stuff, like

the wholesale options.

I'm sure there's plenty of vehicles that weren't supposed to be there that have

gone across the block.

I bet a lot of bank owned vehicles have gone across the block that we're supposed

to be, you know, I were looking for this car everywhere, you know, and then it.

Yeah.

But God, that'd be, that'd be the worst, you know, it'd just be like, you know,

sitting at Bear Jackson and, and all of a sudden you see and coming up on the

block is a 1967 Chevelle.

And I go, wow, that looks just like my car.

Yeah.

Check my camera.

I have a question for you guys.

So I, I just, I just did a trust.

In case I have a passing moment and disappear off the planet.

And in that trust, I'm going to put all my, my vehicles.

So I have a question because someone brought it up to me, but we didn't have

answers and I haven't been able to find information.

If the trust now has all my cars, is it easier for me to lease something because

it's all the assets are in a trust because it's a, it's a business thing,

right?

Because I have no reason to lease a vehicle.

I don't have a business to write off.

I don't have anything, right?

And so it doesn't make sense for me to lease a vehicle.

But I know this sounds like a strange question, but it's been.

You're asking, can the trust lease the vehicle and use it as a tax right?

So when I lease a vehicle, can I lease it through the trust?

And does that make more sense from a business point of view?

I know you guys, Aaron, I'm not a certified public accountant.

However, so you should check with your own financial advisors.

But if you don't have expenses to, to charge off against it, right?

It's not going to make any different whether it's a business.

Yeah, you've got to have the.

I don't know why my brain was asking that question, but it's been bugging me.

So I thought, Oh, I'll ask those guys see if they know, cause I've never

leased a vehicle and it makes more sense these days with new vehicles,

especially with me, cause I don't love a lot of new cars, but I'm curious.

So I want to experience them.

I couldn't say through a trust, but even just through the various businesses,

the business can typically lease one vehicle.

Like, like you, like an owner operator, like a loan outcrop or something like that.

But yeah, but you, you want revenue that you want to offset.

You want to be able to write off some of that.

So if there's no, if there's no money coming in that you're potentially going

to pay taxes on, then there's really no benefit in doing it through the company.

I mean, I don't think it, I don't think there's an issue either way.

Someone's going to have a little bit more information about that than, than I would, but.

And it's how your trust is structured as well.

Cause like mine's structured for different things and you know, it's.

Yeah.

I don't know why I keep thinking that the trust is an, as an entity.

Like, like, like, well, it is.

I mean, it is.

And there's a lot of useful things you can use it for.

Yeah.

Well, and I think that's why I was thinking, well, maybe, maybe I'd lease

something through the trust because I don't own the vehicles anymore.

The trust does.

I mean, I do cause I'm the trust cause I am the trust.

But I was wondering, it's like, well, now that, now that it's a, it's a,

it's an entity other than me, would it make more sense to.

One of the reasons people use trust to lease vehicles and like that is for liability.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I'm trying.

Sorry.

I spontaneously threw this at you and didn't collect my thoughts.

So yes, liability was an issue because that's why we started the trust.

And amongst other reasons, but that was a big reason.

So, and then I thought, well, it's an entity.

So the trust would be therefore the trust pays it.

I don't, you know,

I had a thought.

Well, you're thinking because a lot of people use trust to buy their personal

property, their, their homes.

Homes.

Yeah.

Those are.

Those are potentially assets that they want to own that's going to be passed down.

Right.

At least, at least isn't getting passed down.

Hopefully.

Yeah.

Well, but that's exactly it.

So everything gets put into the trust.

So does the trust lease a car and.

Oh yeah.

The trust can lease a car.

It'd be like, you know, the Hagar family trust is on the paper.

And things like that.

Oh no, that's not the Hagar family trust.

That's dad.

That's not Hagar.

Yeah, that's right.

But look, you should lease a company and then I know a trucking company that can

deliver it to you.

Yeah.

And you could just say, where's my car?

It never arrived.

I think it's in Tahoe somewhere, but we don't know for sure.

I'm not paying for this.

I don't have the vehicle.

I, you know, I'm kind of leaning towards leasing and I'm looking at it that

like I've never had before because I've never been into leasing other than

through my companies for like work trucks and stuff like that.

Because we always modify cars and we're always fussing with them.

And I always keep my cars for a long time.

But now you start looking at these cars.

Right.

Yes, they last longer.

But when I look at a Mercedes that like some of the stuff doesn't work

because when they went to the new version of the cellular network and like that,

now these cars that aren't even 10 years old have issues with connecting

and it's like, why do you want to keep them any longer?

I know there's so much tech.

I don't trust it.

But like, like Misha's little Porsche that we bought her, we're not modifying

that at all.

Like we are leaving it alone.

It's like, you don't put an exhaust on those.

You don't redo this and that.

You leave it alone.

It's fast enough.

It handles great.

It looks good.

Leave it alone.

That's going to get old.

Yeah.

Or just not having a place to work on stuff or just like, yeah,

getting older and I don't want to be underneath the Porsche.

But you can't even see the engine on this car.

I went to put a wiper fluid and I opened the back and I opened the front.

I took off the panel.

I went, oh, I didn't need to take off the panel.

It's in the front.

It's right there.

So I put wiper fluid because it's getting cold.

I had to put stuff that won't freeze.

But anyway.

Yeah.

So I'm not going to be working on that car.

And I thought, well, maybe we should have leased it, you know,

and just continue that lease every few years.

Well, I mean, certainly, you know, and the show that I do with Alistair

for Mad Men's, we talk about this all the time with some technology

that's so new.

I made the mistake of my new lightning buying that truck and it dropped

in value.

It's a brick and nightmare.

But EVs, I would lease an EV.

I don't see there's any long term purchasing the EV, potentially hybrid as well.

I just don't know.

I mean, there's some incentive, like some Toyota hybrids, like a hybrid RAV4,

like that my mom has.

That one had the better warranty as like a 10 year warranty or something

on the power train because of the battery technology.

But my opinion, things like that, the EVs, probably the hybrids, I'd lease them.

One problem I have with leasing is mileage.

Because I put miles on my cars, you know.

Yeah, me too.

That's a big concern for me too.

You pay a little extra and you ask, now you can get 12, you can get 15,000 miles.

You know, you pay a little extra in the payment, but you get sort of that piece

of mind going, I could do 15,000 miles.

And then after that, there's like an overage cost.

You'd have to crunch the numbers on it.

But 15,000 miles, you know, you could probably 15,000.

Yeah.

But I don't want to be sitting there going, oh man, I don't want to take the car

because I'd be putting off.

That's not, that's not having a car.

That's, you know.

Yeah.

And I, it's like, oh, well, if you have got a bunch of cars, like, like a lot of us,

you know, us do, you know, I'll take this instead.

But, you know, I won't take that because it's least.

I mean, you know, you do make those considerations, but.

You know, I think about the miles too, but also like, I just did the registration

on my truck.

So it's a 22, I guess it's three years that I've had it.

And it's like 19,900 miles.

Like it's still.

Yeah, that's not bad.

I mean, it still seems pretty low to me.

Yeah.

You know, um, you know, it's not, but it's an EV.

So in my head, I'm like, eh, I'm not really doing like Vegas trips and Arizona trips in

it.

I mean, you can, you can stop.

We, I drove it back from Vegas when it was at the scene of the show and it was fine.

I stopped once at the big Walmart, charged up and we were on our way.

Like we just plugged it in, walked around Walmart for a half an hour, walked the dogs,

let them pee by time 30, 40 minutes later.

I got enough charge.

We made it.

It wasn't that bad.

Yeah.

I specifically request that they only pee at Walmart.

So that was for Walmart.

You know, but, um, yeah, I would lease, you know, an EV or something.

Yeah, it makes sense to like the Jeep.

I bought it in November of 21 and it's got 70,000 miles on it.

And we have, we have options.

You know, we have several cars that we drive.

Yeah.

But you took that on a tour way up north.

Exactly.

Yeah.

We took it and I might be going to Arizona with it at the end of the month, but, um,

But you bought it specifically for that.

You're like, we want to go as far as we can.

Yeah.

But at the same time, uh, you know, we put 30,000 miles on Misha's Defender in two years.

Uh, I mean, we put miles on cars.

I'd say we, sometimes we do an average of 20,000 miles a year on three different cars.

And I scratch my head.

I'm like, you try to do the math.

They're like, well, wait a minute, am I driving on my sleep?

How do I get that many miles?

I always see it when I'm doing my taxes and I look at my log, you know, from the previous

year.

How do I put that many miles on that truck and that many miles on that?

You know, I mean, I'm like, wow.

Yeah.

That's a good point though.

I mean, to drive 60,000 miles in a year.

Well, yeah, you're a trucker, but the thing too is, is, you know, you guys are Southern

California, any place you want to go, you're driving an hour away.

We're the same way up in Tahoe.

You know, if I want to go see my family, it's a three hour drive each way.

If we want to go, you know, if we want to go see a movie, it's an hour drive.

I mean, it's, you know, you're driving a lot these days.

It just seems that everything is somewhere else.

Yeah.

For me, the past year, I put more of the miles on for that reason.

Going, doing the Bravago tasting events at all the total wine stores.

Yeah.

You know, I go to Woodland Hills and go on a West LA, go to Orange County, San Diego,

Tustin, Brea, Newport Beach, Laguna Hills, like going all those places.

And those, this isn't like, oh, I got to drive an hour in LA and you go three miles.

This is, you know, 50 miles.

Like each way.

It adds up.

30 miles each way.

And now I would imagine driving around and around and around and around trying to find

a parking place.

I wonder how many miles a year that adds an extra.

That's true.

You can add another mile just in parking garages.

Right?

Each morning, basically.

But yeah, and listen, I still think right now, EVs for sure, I would lease.

Hybrids probably lease.

You can probably get away with a good one that you could buy, but if you're worried

about miles.

But I just think for the EVs, lease them, not because they're unreliable.

It's because high technology.

Just no, just the pricing and everything is so volatile.

It's like, is it worth a lot?

Is it not worth anything?

Is it going up in the used market?

Like just take that completely off the plate and don't get in a position like I'm in with

my truck.

We are upside down so much on that truck, you know, or something like a Fisker, right?

You're like, especially if we get a new Rivian, Fisker, Lucid, all the new startup companies

going, oh, do I buy this thing?

And then who knows what happens to that company?

And you're like, oh, I can't even get parts for it.

It's not worth shit.

Yeah, there's not even a place to take it for service.

That would be the worst.

Yeah, for sure.

So listen, if you're getting like a Toyota hybrid, I think you could buy that.

You'd be fine with it, right?

Yeah, but if you're buying a Land Rover, you should probably lease it.

Probably lease it.

Yeah, it really just comes down to so many things, you know, there's some great leases

available now.

That's a good lease rates, good deals.

Yeah, like Aaron was saying, you know, you get to drive it for two years and then you

step into something else, you know, it's like, like a good example, I would still like to

experience a Jaguar F type R, right?

Yeah.

Like I want to buy one there.

They're 40, they're 40 grand, 40, 50 grand.

They're fun cars to drive.

But that's the thing.

They're fun cars.

You know, I'd love to experience one, an Alpha 4C.

I probably couldn't lease that because they're, you know, they're older now.

But an F type R, I could lease that and experience it and go, eh, it's not for me.

I'm way under the miles.

You could go, eh?

Yeah.

But, you know, but, but there's, there's a lot of things like that, you know, a Mustang

dark horse or, you know, there's things that I like that I think are really cool, but I

probably wouldn't want to fork out the money to own one and make the big payment.

But I would lease it and make the payment because I know I'm only in for a certain amount of

time and then I can walk away.

But something like the dark horse, the dark horse, you won't get a good lease rate on.

There won't be a deal, but the Jag probably is.

Yeah.

I would think the Jag would be.

Yes.

And they're still having issues, man.

That, that really destroyed them on that Jaguar Land Rover on that cyber hack that they had.

The cyber hack for sure.

And that big launch with the marketing campaign didn't resonate well.

It got pressed, but I don't think it's selling any cars.

So I think they got like a new CEO.

Like people got fired over that one.

Did we talk about the cyber hack?

Yeah.

We mentioned the cyber hack.

Oh yeah.

Was I not on the show?

I believe you were gone that week.

I then literally shut down the entire company production, everything.

Wow.

And it was shut down for like a month, wasn't it, Matt?

Yeah, it was a while.

They're just now getting back up and going.

Wow.

Glad we got rid of ours.

I mean, if you have it, it's fine.

It just had a big issue with new cars.

They just, it was a big threat to them.

Oh, that's terrible.

Hey, as we wrap it up, just a reminder that SEMA is right around the corner.

And a couple of the things that if you're going to go, Matt, tell them about the new product showcase.

You always go through there and get a good look at that.

I do.

I'm kind of a part super freak.

So I love to run through there and kind of see what's new.

I usually put together like a big gallery.

I try to pick a picture of the parts and then whatever the card is, it'll tell you like a little, like a little description of what the part is.

I think they move that to West Hall.

So, but if you go out to SEMA and you do want to see what's new in the parts, take, I mean, you can run up and down those aisles pretty quickly.

It's pretty cool.

Yeah.

They got nice, nicely displayed items too.

It's basically just like glass cases of all the new parts with a with a with an information card on it and a suggested retail price.

So, but yeah, I'm going to be out there grabbing some interviews and stuff as well.

I'm expecting to see some great things from obviously a bunch of the builders.

Roadster Shop is doing their their big party event, which they had tickets available to the public, which actually sold out like in a day.

But they do what's called the best on RS.

So as a chassis builder, they often work with a bunch of the high end builders.

So they do their party and they award the best build on a Roadster Shop chassis.

And it's kind of a fun, a fun thing to do.

So that's where RS comes from.

I never knew.

Yeah.

Battle of the Builders, I think is still going on.

They do like the young guns thing that's going on.

I think outside they're going to have the overlanding portion, not the overland the Expo, but they have the big displays outside for the overlanding.

They have the FutureTech area, which is new, you know, new products, new processes, new materials.

They're they're a power sports section like the UTV section stuff that's been growing over the years.

Big time.

Yeah.

Toils back with their tread pass where you go from one hall to the other where all the cars are in.

And they always have real interesting builds in there.

And do they have more Tesla tunnels now?

You know, that's a good question we were talking about.

So it used to go from like South Hall to North Hall or West Hall.

But I think now they have one that goes to what's the resort world or the Cromwell or whatever.

I think it does go to resort world.

I think it goes to resort world.

So like you could take it to get off the property to avoid traffic and then walk like I took it to resort world and walked.

You know, it's a long walk to get to the other end of the strip like to get to the Cosmo or the Bellagio or whatever.

But, you know, you could do that.

You know, I don't I don't think they got the airport one done yet.

I would feel like that would have been a pretty big press release.

Well, I'm getting excited.

I'm starting to hear from our our friends that we get to see annually.

Say I'm hard messaged me yesterday for some party he's doing.

And, you know, I'm starting to hear from our circle of friends.

I'm getting excited.

I'm still having issues with the dog and I don't want to my wife and go to SEMA.

But I kind of have to go now.

I've committed to C tech and a few others to do some appearances and some reveals.

So it's work now.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to I didn't go last year.

So, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how it's evolving because last year it felt a little.

I mean, I just want to say just it's just me.

It felt a little awkward in the transition between the YouTube YouTube culture, which is just kind of coming in and getting established.

I was meeting tons of YouTube people who I didn't know.

But I watched and they were so shy and humble and excited because they're at SEMA.

And so I figured last year they they were in strong and that transition is probably pretty well transitioned by now.

So this year I do have a fear.

My fear with SEMA is it's changing, right?

It's what it's changing, right?

I mean, it's it is.

So in Monterey, it was like all the kids, whatever they are, the photographer.

Yeah, guys.

This is called gramma fear.

Yeah, I forgot what the term is.

We're giving to those guys, but all the influencers and stuff.

They're not influencers.

They're the automotive influencers, man, because they don't really have.

I don't know if they have a counselor.

Anyway, they took over Monterey address.

Took over Monterey was a big issue.

And very recently at the like whatever the cars and copters event in Long Beach where the helicopter crashed.

Unfortunately, that was a disaster.

By the way, everybody seems to be OK.

But separately, what you're not reading about is again, all those kids everywhere with the cameras and standing on things and climbing.

That really, really made it an issue to the point where like it's going to be it's more complicated to throw on an event like that if that type of event will be allowed.

Like it's it's hurting the car culture to the point where it's going to start shutting down events.

So now I don't know like SEMA has always been pretty good about how limiting they are and people who can access it because it is a trade show.

But, you know, they open they sell tickets for the Friday thing, which is fine.

But but now I'm worried about like the streets, the surrounding area, the cars, you know, just the valet sections of hotels.

There could be people walking in and climbing.

It's already pictures like it's it's going to be a little crazy already with with all of that.

So we just don't want that.

I don't mind people like taking the pictures and having a good time.

But like when it gets too ridiculous, it starts to impede on holding those events.

Well, the problem is, is that to get their their looks and to get their feed and to get the algorithm hit and all of the what they need, they've got to go for more.

They've got to go for, you know, did you see this?

Oh, check that out.

But they're not a paparazzi, guys.

It's the same problem.

It's that paparazzi.

It's worse than burnout for the car culture, you know, because, you know, remember, it was like, oh, yeah, they're not going to have that cars and coffee anymore because guys were doing burnouts when they left.

No matter how much you asked them, there was always some guy that showed up and did it.

And that's why we lost the one in Newport Beach.

That was so awesome, you know, and it's now it's to the extreme.

I mean, do you guys remember this goes back quite a ways?

And this was even before this was a huge problem.

The guy who showed up at SEMA and was doing stuff like jumping on the hoods of cars.

And that's how I met the corn family with the radial Plymouth air rail.

That guy was jumping on the back of that truck when we were going to show it back.

And thought it was hilarious.

And he was getting, you know, hits and views.

And they, you know, SEMA asked him not to do it.

SEMA asked him to leave.

Then he showed up again the next day.

And that's the problem with an event like SEMA.

If somebody wants to get in, they're going to get in, you know, and there's everything going on outside as well.

Like you said, well, that's what I'm talking about.

You can just stand along the fences of the convention center.

But, you know, if it's 10 people taking pictures or walking by, that's fine.

But when you've got a thousand people and you're bleeding into the streets and cars can't get by

and people can't walk on the sidewalk or God forbid, you know, you're in a wheelchair or something, you know, like, yeah,

or just you can't, like, you need this space.

Like it's, anyway, that's potentially in my head what I feel like is going to be the issue this year.

I think there's going to be even just the strip.

It's like, sure, we're going to get a bunch of knuckleheads out there, like making noises

and blowing those stupid air horns and during burnouts on the strip.

But also you're going to get 5,000 people standing in the streets and along the streets, you know, encouraging that shit show.

Yeah, or more.

Well, if the weather is good, I'm thinking of driving and not traveling my little mini driving it and seeing if I can get Sam Hart and Ben and,

you know, stick together and say, OK, round two, it's got a hundred horsepower now.

Now try and do the skids and the e-brake turns and all this stuff.

Well, go out to the desert and do it.

There you go, Aaron.

Put more miles on the car.

That's how it happens.

Worth every mile, worth every mile.

I'm actually flying this year.

I haven't flown to SEMA and I can't remember.

I used to fly every year and I've been driving.

I enjoy driving, you know.

I'm doing what we did last year as I'm flying.

Oh, now we drove both ways.

Yeah.

I'm flying out and I'm flying there and then driving home.

Right.

Yeah.

I'm driving both ways.

Yeah.

I just don't care to fly.

To me, it's such a hassle.

I'd rather sit in the car and listen to an audio book or just look at the sides.

I don't mind the drive.

I tell you that drive between Vegas and.

I know it's brutal.

LA has got so much traffic.

I don't mind though.

I take 395 and then cut over and.

Yeah, but you're coming from the north.

When you come for it doesn't even during the week, I've driven it now and it's.

There's parts of it where it becomes just a traffic jam and it's just like.

Oh, that's right.

Down through Palm Springs and all that.

Yeah, but especially for an event like this with so many people and so many spectators

and now, like I said, all the.

The, the, the Tik Tokers or whatever, it's just going to be a traffic shit show.

Yeah.

And then I just the way it's going.

It's like Tammy and I were going, but she can't go with me.

So she's driving out in a car.

I'm flying out to do stuff and then she's driving out midweek.

Hopefully it's easier to drive out like, I don't know, on a Wednesday or Thursday.

And then we'll drive home at the end.

But you know what, maybe I'll bring my, I know this sounds silly,

but I might bring my little electric scooter.

The one that sounds silly.

Well, I know you can't use it on the grounds,

but I can check it in somewhere and leave it at one of the booths.

But just, you know, parking so far away is such an issue.

I'd rather just park far away and just, just e-scooter it in, you know, save my feet.

That's not a bad idea.

Honestly, you could e-scooter from the hotel to the, to the convention.

I usually stay at the Orleans.

That's a bit of all.

But that's why I take the tram.

And I mean, cause then it's, you know, and I'm not going to say my,

my hack because then everybody else will hack it.

I don't have an ACL now.

Remember, I have no ACL and both of my knees are shot,

like just coming upstairs right now because it's colder.

My God, I'm like, I'm like an old man.

I mean, dad has better knees than I do.

I mean, really, he complains like, Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about.

But it's both of mine.

You know, so I'm a little worried about walking around at SEMA every day.

I got to say, you know.

Yeah. Ice packs, Advil, do what you gotta do.

Yeah, I do all the above.

Is this too soon?

Are we too soon to announce the, the special thing we're doing,

the shift and steer, bruise and bar on the roof?

Oh, great.

Okay.

You could have, you almost had it solved,

but then you stumbled on what it was we were going to do.

Nobody's buying it. Nobody's buying it.

Bruise and bars on the roof.

We could do it.

If we could find access to the roof,

the three of us could just go up on the roof and have bruise and bars.

And we're up there.

Yeah. It'll just be the three of us will be stuck like in the hangover.

Up on the roof.

That'd be awesome.

Getting sunburned.

Yes.

The Las Vegas police department found three men on the roof of the convention center

that I think they were influencers trying to get.

Oh, we can always do some live shows.

I talked to Richard and, you know,

we can always duck in at Magnaflow as you probably have to talk to him.

And, you know, there's lots of places we can do some content.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll get some stuff done.

All right, guys.

What we should probably call it a day.

I, you know, I gotta go shovel snow. So yeah.

Oh man.

It's like, I mean, really bad on the knee already did it.

It's going to melt.

It's going to be real nice.

He already did it.

Would you, would you do my podcast card?

Well, let me tell you old man stuff.

I'm concerned about slipping on the ice because I don't have stability like I used to.

Breaking a hip.

I messed up.

No, it's like you get sideways here and I don't have that ACL sideways isn't good.

Front to back is okay, but sideways isn't good.

Yeah.

I've done it a couple of times and I got to say it's a little scary cause it just,

it's a weird feeling like it's just not there.

Like I'm missing a major ligament.

It's like, oh yeah, that's right.

You don't realize it to you go, oh shit.

That doesn't, that didn't feel so good.

Well, next week we'll talk about Bear Jackson.

I'm headed over there to Scottsdale for the fall auction.

And we'll have some, some, you know, input from there.

Talk about it.

What's going on?

What cars cross the block?

Who's there?

They were setting up yesterday and it was a massive storm.

I know they had, and last night they had the wind was brutal.

Oh, really?

The IP party last night and they're Dela and.

Oh no.

Yeah.

They've been having lots of storms over there.

Yeah.

Everywhere too.

My mom said they got inches and inches of rain.

The creek is overflowing and, and she's in Marin.

So yeah, it's, it's, it's, we're getting a lot of rain.

We discussed no four or five inches.

No big deal.

You got rain.

It just froze before.

Yeah.

It just froze up there.

All right guys.

All right.

Hey everybody.

Thanks for listening.

Be sure to follow us online and you can, of course, social media.

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We're everywhere.

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We only post on Instagram though, I think.

Oh, just follow us there.

The other stuff you can find for like three years ago.

I'm like Facebook or something.

But anyways, it's because our team, our team, our producers and the

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Thanks for listening and we'll be back next week.

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