Screen Depreciation; CHEAP V12s; Rainy Days; Q&A

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On this episode of the podcast, it has been raining in Los Angeles.

And so we talk about, finally, we got some rain here and it has made the roads very,

very fun.

And I learned a whole lot about my Taycan.

And we try to ponder cars that are actually better when the suspension is set stiffer.

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Let's go.

We had this event.

You can, you can speed it whenever you're ready.

I am.

Good.

We had, you know, we had this watch event at the shop and then I used the PA speakers

to just like play some Bluetooth music from my computer and I ran a microphone XLR just

directly into the back of one.

Yeah.

Like have a little thing.

And so, but when I first, you know, I plugged in the one speaker and then Daisy chained

the other speaker, right?

And I plugged the mic in and it was like real quiet.

And I, and the main knob that seemed to control volume didn't really do anything.

So I went into the menu and went into the channel one gain, which is where the mic was

plugged in and like turned it up and like that worked.

And the mic got, all right, fine.

I then played music over Bluetooth and, you know, I had, I used the volume controls

like on my computer to, to make adjustments and like it worked fine.

And like, and then Christian took the amp, the PA, because he was going to use it

for his show.

Well, he calls me the next day, like texts me and, and then calls me and I don't pick

up because my phone is on like silent or whatever, texts me again, like, please call me, please

call me.

I call him as soon as I get it and he goes, you got to tell me what you did.

And I was like, what do you mean?

He's like to the PA, like what did you, what did you change?

And, and by the way, he was there.

Like he came to this event.

He didn't set it up with me, but he was, he was there.

And so, so he heard like the levels weren't all fucked up.

Like he made a playlist, like so, so, and, but he's like, you got to tell me what you

did.

And I go, what do you mean?

All I did was I changed the gain.

He goes, the gain, the gain seems fine.

I go, no, no, there's like the main gain.

And then you like hold down the button to go into the, the menus.

And it's where you change like more settings and connect to the Bluetooth

and whatever.

And I said, there's a gain, another gain setting for channel one and channel two.

And I turned up the gain on channel one and that made the microphone work.

That's all I did.

And he goes, that's all you did.

And I go, that's all I did.

Okay. And he's like, because one of these speakers sounds fine.

And the other one is like functionally useless.

And I go, look, you, you, you're an audio engineer.

And I'm just a moron that was trying to make a microphone sound good.

I, you know, I don't, I only changed one setting.

And like, I really assumed that whatever I changed, you would be able to easily

change back. You can walk up to any stereo and make it sound as best as it

can sound. That's like your gig.

And so I was like, I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

That's all I did.

So he goes, all right, all right.

And like, so the next morning I went like, hey, man, I didn't, you know,

he went to, he did his show or whatever.

And I didn't hear anything next morning.

He goes, I go, hey, man, like, how'd it go?

He goes, oh, well, your, your PA system is like not usable.

We have to, we have to get together.

This is, I mean, it's like brand new.

We have to get together.

I thought I can hear him say.

And he goes, you, and you have to, you have to tell, you have to show

me like what you did.

Oh, he couldn't find the menu.

He said he had to get a backup PA to do his show.

So imagine his level of panic.

High.

I mean, even compared to my, you think my level, his like a TEDx,

you know, if I'm a, if, if, if you're the balance of a Lotus

Amira, I am more like a, like a GT2 RS, GT2 RS, probably like,

you know, little tail happy maybe Christian, you know, is

like go cart.

There's no suspension.

SSC traction off in terms of the ability to panic over things.

So he grumbles more too.

He's got like the rumbly grumble.

But like, yeah.

So I got it.

We have a, we have an appointment to fix it.

I don't know.

Like I, I don't know.

But like, I bet you whatever he did to try to fix it, he

made it somehow worse because I don't know that.

I don't know what he did.

His blame circles fun.

No, no, like, because he probably changed a bunch of

other things.

No, it's fun.

And I don't know what those are.

You know, I want to know when you see him ask what, how long

it was between calling you and sourcing another PA.

Was it like minutes, hours?

Yeah.

I want to know how long, how much time went by.

Cause I think that I need to aim this camera.

That's very, very funny.

I felt, I felt really, really bad.

I mean, I don't, you know, but like, I didn't think

there was any way I could fuck up the settings on like a

basic PA speaker enough that he couldn't make it sound normal.

It's, it's probably that he couldn't find the menu.

Cause I remember, the controls on this, this speaker, by the

way, are the least, they're not intuitive.

Like I told, it took me a whole bunch of different

times of, was it a double tap or hold a hold and like,

let go on this dumb button and like, like the way like,

yeah, it's hard to navigate.

So when we, when we would get attention vector,

we used to have a couple of different cameras,

primarily Sony F sevens, FS seven, FS seven.

But I remember I was shooting something like I was on the

ground, I had no instruction of how to use this thing

other than hit record and I needed to chain something

and I called Armin, our friend, Armin Bog,

amazing director, DP editor.

Like he knows all things camera about every camera.

It's amazing.

And his secret is that there are websites you can go to

that mirror the exact menus and you can like,

like, it's like paper trading or it's just running

through the menus on your computer to know where things are.

And he showed me that I was like, holy crap,

that's an incredible resource provided by Sony or

whoever.

So you need that for the PA so that Christian knows

which knob to hold, which brings you to this

hidden menu and then you got to change the game,

the inner game, not the outer game.

I guarantee you he didn't even find the

inner game.

Yeah.

How did you read the manual?

Like, how'd you know how to hold this button

to get to other things?

There's only three buttons on the back of the thing

and I had got there like an hour early.

So I wasn't stressed for time and I assumed

I wouldn't know what I was doing.

So I gave myself like plenty of time to like

fuck around with it.

So when not pressed by time, I was able to like

sit there and go, this isn't right.

Why there must be another menu and like just like,

you know where this skill comes from,

you will know, traction control.

Yeah.

This is a 100% traction control skill.

We as monkeys have learned that pressing a button

and holding it can bring you a different result

than just pressing the button.

Or like, have you driven a GM lately?

Like there's a double tap and a triple tap

and a seven fucking tap.

FRS, it's a tap tap.

Yeah.

That's true.

You gotta know all those things.

Yeah, yeah, that's how I learned this skill.

That stuff is challenging too.

I found it, I mean, it was by luck.

I'm just trying different combinations

that turns fucking traction control off in various cars.

There we go, you know.

But it works.

Like I was trying to help my dad do some stuff

on a computer and you know, he was an ER doctor

for like 40 years and they had a computer system.

But if you, if he has to do something

outside that system, he's like,

I don't know how to do this stuff.

And it's cause he didn't go to computer class

where we, you and I learned the basics

of just moving files when you're eight years old.

And now it translate when you're 40,

you still know how to move these basic functions

or to turn traction off.

But if you never did that shit,

cause all you do is type in prescriptions

and I don't know, long assessments, then you don't know.

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Speaking of traction control off,

it's been raining for like four days

and I turned some traction control off.

I had a little bit of fun.

Yeah, it turns out that Tycon,

if it's wet, you can initiate a little bit.

Really?

Yeah, if you go full off, you can.

I forget, is it a four S?

It's just a four.

Oh, it's a four.

It's just a four.

It's a rear bias four?

No, I mean, yes it is, it is a rear bias four.

Like if you have the right set of circumstances,

like you can initiate a slide in that car

and get a couple of degrees of fun out of it in the wet.

Nice.

Yes, you can.

You can do this in the dry in like a turbo S.

Sure.

And also it's fun, it's like, did you have any wet fun?

Not.

That's a gross thing to say.

Jim Norton's listening now.

That's the name of his new special.

It would be.

His new special is great if you haven't heard it, by the way.

No, it always seems like my tires are very sticky,

so if it's even damp, they're still pretty sticky.

I need it to be raining,

but finding a place to do that,

around here there are a lot of really bumpy F'd up roads.

There are.

And I need to find the good ones occasionally,

but not this week, no.

Do you want me to tell you where to do it?

Yeah, but do it off the show.

It's really obvious when you think about it.

So there's like, it's what's great about my location is,

it's incredibly safe,

and there's strong visibility in all directions

for all the reasons you would want.

Is it a left turn?

Is a right turn.

Is it near a large, dark building?

A large, dark building?

Yeah.

Well, that describes so many places, dude.

That describes so many places.

That's true, all right.

That's not a fun game for the play on the podcast.

I'll just drop you a pin.

Just tell me later.

But yes, I would love to drift around the Waymo's

that gather in that parking lot, like schools of fish.

Waymo's on highways now.

It's very funny.

Have you seen them?

Not yet.

Yeah, Waymo's on the 405 now.

We've seen them testing with human safety drivers

for like eight months,

so I knew this was gonna be coming,

but yeah, they haven't expanded the map,

so you're still limited,

and so it's depending on the hour of the day,

the ability to go on the highway

could have limited functionality.

Like if you're trying to go from here

across town to like Hollywood,

like highway don't help anyway.

But a lot of the distances with Waymo's in that map,

it can help at the right time of day,

so that's fun.

But just going back to the rain,

one thing that it made me remember about the Taycan

is because it's a four,

it's like the softest one, right?

And so when you drive around in like comfort mode,

it basically turns off,

like it's on air suspension,

but it turns off like a lot of the damping.

So it's like really soft and wallowy,

which for your day-to-day,

pothold shitty urban hellscape is fine.

But actually, if you put it in sport mode,

it turns up the damping and it feels,

you go, oh, it's actually supposed to feel like this.

It's probably what normal mode is in a four S.

They probably built a four S

and then just took the fucking derping out of it

to make a four more or less

because like it actually, it's not much stiffer,

but it has just way better body control.

And so over the last couple of weeks,

I've started just putting the chassis in sport mode

while even leaving the powertrain in normal,

just like the opposite of anything

I would do in any other car.

That's true, you never do that.

You're always soft with maximum kill

of transmission and engine.

But this car is too soft in soft mode

and is just right in sport.

There's also a sport plus,

but it's just right in sport for kind of every day.

If the roads are anything above total garbage.

So there's not a lot of cars where I do that.

I can't even think of any, really.

Have you ever, is there any car where you would,

where the sport mode is better all the time than?

I know there is, I'm struggling to think of it.

The M5 Touring actually.

Yeah, we've been, yes, that's a good example.

We've been in cars where they're so underdamped

and normal that the car moves around too much.

The M5 is a great example.

So going down the road,

even though you wanna soak up those bumps,

the body feels out of control, basically.

It feels like it's moving and having these secondary motions.

So that's a good example.

Yeah.

My box sedan was like that, actually.

Cause the SUV has the hydraulic,

so it's a little more settled, even normal mode.

But the My box sedan, it's just,

it wants to be so soft that in regular mode,

it's like too soft.

And if you put it in sport,

it's actually like really nice.

It's just clearly not,

my box is set up to be driven in,

so you really don't want one

if you're just driving yourself around.

I think the super soft settings work

if you're going straight on a highway.

It just absorbs those bumps, right?

But if you have to turn at all,

then, and there's a bump in the turn,

then you kinda get this like weird gyroscope,

you know, you feel like you're dancing and dizzy.

Especially if you're talking about air suspensions,

which when they're soft are really, really soft.

It's just an empty ball sack there.

But when you put it in sport,

like the Taycan steering is really nice.

It's really very direct and really a nice thing

to kind of just point with, you know?

Driving the slant nose was a great example

of how hydraulic steering is not always better

than E-pass, because nowadays,

in my opinion, the E-pass,

if they get the ratio right, the feedback's good,

and the assist is the right amount,

I go, well, this feels more direct,

and I can feel the tires and stuff,

and it's a rack speed I'm used to,

because it's a modern rack speed, and I like it more.

Is it power?

What, the slant nose?

Yeah.

Most G-bodies don't have power steering.

I don't think it works.

It didn't feel power when I was going slowly.

Yeah, no, most G-bodies are not

gonna be power steering cars.

Oh, so it's not hydraulic,

because then it's just manuals,

which also sometimes can feel great.

That's why they have a real,

it gives you a much better leverage and feel.

If the wheel's really small,

when I put this really small wheel on the safari,

and then went like, oh no, it was way too heavy.

I don't think it was that small.

I had a picture somewhere, but I don't know.

It's just, some of the E-pass systems are great,

and then some, like the old six-gen Camaro

is like, you hit it in sport mode,

it weighs more, it's harder to turn,

but you don't feel anything, so that's not good.

Yeah, yeah, yellow slant nose.

But yeah, I think, it's drizzling right now a little bit,

but I think the rain is,

we, it's like, for the rest,

anywhere else in the country,

like rain is such a normal thing here.

If it rains for four days in a row,

that's a pretty unique situation.

Yeah, it's supposed to barely rain tomorrow,

sunny Wednesday, rain Thursday, but.

I wonder how fucked up the mountains are.

Well, and, you know, Marco sent us that,

like, air-cooled, hot rod monster

with, you know, street legal tires, technically.

And he's like, and this is the worst week to have it.

Yeah, I don't think it's a good time to drive that car.

Absolutely not.

He said to not drive in the rain.

It looks, it's like a 1970 or 71, like 911 T,

and it's got like RS flares,

and then it has what appears to be

some version of a 993 engine in the back.

It's got a rowdy engine in it,

and it's supposed to be quite fast,

but I think weeks ago, I was like,

I don't think I want to drive this in the rain.

He goes, yeah, don't, definitely don't do that.

And then, you know, unfortunately,

that's what the weather's doing,

but we'll see, maybe the forecast will change.

Yeah, it will, because I got, I hope it does.

I have to go up to Willow Springs or something tomorrow.

So, oh man, all right.

But the rain did, it kept my car weekend,

you know, I didn't really have a Malibu weekend.

I was supposed to go to this Carson Coffee,

this like sort of invite-only Carson Coffee

hosted by Rivian that was supposed to be cool.

It got canceled because of rain.

And actually, I was supposed to be at Willow Springs

all day today.

I was gonna spend, oh yeah, yeah, rain.

Cancel for rain, so I was gonna spend all day

lapping the new streets of Willow today

in that RTR thing.

You do it tomorrow?

Well, no, because, well, it doesn't matter,

but Singer has the track all day tomorrow,

so I can't use it.

But I have to go up there for a different thing

because WCCS is going to be selling a guy's GT4 track car,

a race car.

It's our first actual full-on race car

we've listed on one of the auctions,

but I have to go up there and get a bunch of information

and video of it, so that will be fun.

And it's like 94 miles or so each way

from my house to Willow Springs.

And the Taycan, you know, if I go the speed I wanna go,

the range is like 210, and if I go,

I have to go otherwise like 74

to be able to comfortably get there and back

with a little spare, but that's okay, no worries.

Well, when we departed Zion,

our range is like 410, I think, in the car we were in.

We'll reveal that car later, we just can't yet.

And we went, ooh, we might be able to make it home

in one tank and about an hour later it was clear

that we had exceeded the efficient speed.

Yeah, yeah, we were not at peak efficiency.

Speaking of peak efficiency, real quick though,

you know what I did this morning, I installed,

and some people are out there gonna be like,

yeah, no shit.

Did you eat in poop at the same time?

Yes, I was a complete cycle.

It was just my own funnel.

Your own set of feed.

Um, the, uh, I got,

I did the roller blade wheel mod on my Pelican case.

Oh yeah.

You gotta do it.

Yeah.

Thad insisted I do it and I did,

and it was like, you know, $35

and I installed them in five minutes

and like, I will do that.

Dude, so smooth, so quiet, no resistance.

Does it still stand up?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

I saw a guy that did like an off-road wheel mod,

but he had to put a block so that it wouldn't tip over.

Oh, no, this stands up.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, this thing.

Continue, sorry.

The rolling diameter is the same.

You might, I mean, ultimately,

you might have to replace these more often.

They may wear down.

That's true.

Whereas the hard plastic ones I had for 10 years.

Yeah.

But I got the ABIC five bearings.

I was just gonna ask it.

Yeah, of course I did.

It's the only name I know in bearing.

Of course I did.

How would I not?

You kids today don't know.

I need...

Dude, putting those on a skateboard

or roll blades back in the day,

you were so excited.

You're like, these are gonna be great.

And then you start rolling,

you're like, this is too fast.

Yeah.

At a certain age where it was terrifying.

It got, well, my friend group, it got out of hand.

Because did you roller blade ever?

Yeah.

You did?

I skateboarded, then I rollerbladed for a few years

and for some reason decided to resist

the more efficient transportation that they provide

and went back to skateboarding like an ass.

I rollerbladed, I played a little roller hockey

when I was a kid.

I was never very good at ice skating,

but I was better at rollerblading

than I was at ice skating.

And I rollerbladed, do you remember

when you first met me

that Tracy and I would rollerblade on the bike path?

Like, I rollerbladed into like my early 30s

with, by the way, the same skates.

No shit.

Cool.

I had one pair of rollerblades.

They were 1990 something rollerblade aero blades,

if you recall them.

Yep, I do remember them.

Yeah, yeah.

They were really something.

Most of my...

They got the quick straps.

Yeah, the ski boot, quick straps, yeah.

Five wheels?

Four.

I never went with that five wheel stuff.

But we got up to, in high school,

we got up to the Abic Nines, which was like...

Those are illegal.

Only the government gets those.

When you're 14 and you're 15

and you're fucking throwing them shits in,

you can hit like 60 on your rollerblades.

What was the fucking downhill rollerblading movie?

Oh, Air?

Was it called Air?

Yeah.

I think it was called Air.

Yeah.

I think it was the only rollerblading movie.

There might have been one other,

but that sounds right.

And Seth Green was in it.

Yes, that's the one.

Airborne, sorry.

Airborne, yes.

Spelled the same way as the Vitamin C supplement.

What kind of skates were you rocking?

I have no idea.

You don't remember?

I do not remember.

If I saw a picture, I might go probably those,

but you know what?

Were they like small wheel freestyle-y skates?

No, they were more like...

Just regular skates?

Regular skates.

And a friend of mine was into the freestyle thing.

He had the smaller wheels in the middle for grinding,

which he couldn't really do.

But he could do like,

I don't know, 360s over stairs and stuff,

which is much easier on skates than on a skateboard

because they're stuck to your feet, obviously.

Didn't Nino do some freestyle skating?

Yeah, Nino was very into it.

He did, right?

Yeah.

You know when our rollerbladed last was three years ago?

After my back repaired it again,

Sarah rented me rollerblades for like,

like a birthday weekend and we went on the bike path

because it was a form of exercise I could do.

And it was like, this is super fun.

And we covered so much ground

and we're just humming along.

It was really fun.

You know what, it was when I had my skiing crash,

that stopped me.

That was the last time I rollerbladed, 2011.

So I never went back to it.

It's good hiking muscle workout.

Your butt will get very sore after that.

We would do, we would go all the way from Redondo Beach

to the fucking End of Manhattan Beach

and back on rollerblades.

Yeah, you can just cruise.

Yeah, it was ripping.

Yeah, it's fun.

Yeah, after the bike accident,

we switched to the bike.

Do you ever have those moments in LA

where you see something, you go,

this is such a stereotypical Los Angeles moment

that if it was in a movie in the 80s, you believe it.

But if it was in a movie today, you'd go,

that doesn't happen.

I mean, oh, well, no, I wouldn't say.

Until you said that last bit,

I would say any longboard with a toe dog.

So like that, I was driving down Highway 1 once

coming back from Malibu

and there's that huge parking lot on the right side.

It's like two football fields.

And this very attractive woman

is wearing a very small bikini and just rollerblading.

And it's like a pink bikini.

And that was a moment where I was like,

this would be in Beverly Hills Cop.

And I would think that the writers just put it in there,

but it's in the movie because it's in real life.

Yeah, it was wild.

I mean, living in Venice for so many years,

I saw a bunch of those scenes.

That's true.

That if you saw them in the 80s would have been natural

and if you see them today, they seem very contrived.

But they're totally happening.

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What is the dress code?

Because Hannah and I are going to Thursday.

It's a good question.

I don't know.

Fancy, fancy?

I have to wear a suit.

But I, but it's LA cars.

Yeah, but it's LA car stuff, so.

So flat bill and.

Yeah, that'll be there.

Flat bill and a car hard jacket.

Yeah, what is Ron's RS?

Call it basic car bro outfit, just a hat

with black t-shirt and vans.

I don't know.

I think whatever the RSVP said,

which I don't think it said anything,

I think you can do what you want.

I didn't read it.

I just clicked yes plus wife.

Yeah, you always have nice stuff to wear, so.

I mean, I could, well, yeah,

but I could be silly or I could be serious, which is.

I think always be silly.

Sleeping bag jacket then.

Yeah.

People love that thing.

I know.

That got more attention than our actual show

on the stage.

I know.

But can shout out to Bravo Charlie.

Do they have a website?

Can you look up at Bravo Charlie Jackets has a website?

Because I know you can get this, get it where I got it,

but I don't know if you can buy them.

Yeah, that's it.

Holy moly.

Yeah.

Shop Bravo Charlie.

Shout out to them.

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Now, you really need to get measured for it.

And I'm sure you could you could go to a tailor

and get measured and send your measurements in.

But I met these.

I got my sleeping bag jacket

and I wore it to the Willow Springs podcast,

the live show.

I think it was only for pros,

but it's photos on Instagram.

But these things are the jam.

And there's so many of them.

It's like a bomber jacket for people listening.

It's like a bomber jacket made out of 80s

and early 90s sleeping bags.

Kids sleeping bags.

True. Right.

It's like colorful patterns.

Mm hmm.

Wow.

It's like what I would put in the interior of my car.

Yes.

But I get to wear it,

which is the greatest thing ever.

That one is the fucking tits.

That's very good.

$345 made to measure a jacket that looks like that.

That's so sick.

This is like a trippy sort of hypnotic,

but very colorful kind of hippie pattern,

almost like Janice Joplin's Porsche.

Yes.

It's a lot like that.

God damn it, I want that.

I wonder if this is at all.

Maybe I can buy that before this goes live.

If this is at all wind or waterproof.

No, it's a sleeping bag.

Not a camping sleeping bag,

like a kid's bedroom sleeping bag.

Good point, okay.

Like having a sleepover sleeping bag.

Yeah, so it's comfortable.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For truly, it's good.

They're very soft, but it's more like a,

it's more like a very cool sweatshirt

than it is like a weather-resistant jacket.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's so warm.

It's really, I, you don't wear it instead of a sweatshirt.

You wear it instead of a jacket,

because it's warm, but you can't wear it in the rain.

It's good point.

I mean, you can, but it'll get wet.

Yeah, it's not.

Like a suede jacket.

No, but it's like literally indoor sleeping bag.

You'll just absorb whatever.

Yeah, but I love my jacket.

All right, so don't wear it on Thursday,

because it's gonna rain

and you'll be inside sweating.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's not,

it's probably not good for that.

But for these, for like fall, winter cars and coffees,

like going up to Good Vibes in the morning,

that's the jacket for that.

It's really nice.

Because if it's nice enough to be up there

in the first place.

You know, when you should have worn it.

When we hiked Zion, Angels Landing.

I would have been very warm.

I would have been, I probably would have been too warm.

You probably would have been too warm.

I would have been too warm.

If I had like just a one layer thicker than I had,

even if it was like a regular hoodie

instead of like that T-shirt hoodie,

that probably would have been all right.

You had like a moisture wicking workout hoodie on, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Which is good for that in some ways,

but you know, bad in other ways.

I had like a version of what I'm wearing now

as like my outermost layer for like,

it started at 45 degrees.

Do you own a like very thin,

like running windbreaker jacket thing?

Yes.

I've been wearing it.

And I won't buy you one for Christmas.

No, no, I've been wearing it for the rain.

It's my like my rainproof like,

yeah, like it's like an ozio.

Yeah.

I have that thing.

I just didn't fucking bring it.

Yeah.

Anyway, anyway, it was cold, but it was beautiful.

Totally worth it.

Yes.

Totally worth it.

I don't have like a lot of other car adventures

to be honest with you.

Let's go to the people.

The patrons have a lot to say.

We can go to them.

Give us some things to talk about in terms of cars.

We did have a, we hosted a watch event at the shop.

Shout out to Neighborhood Watch Club.

It was really good people.

Everybody was in to,

and I revealed the new color for the canyons

and we have a fucking interest list going.

It's gonna be real cool.

Let's see.

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Honda Fiddi's nuts is pretty good.

Says, what are your thoughts on,

wait.

Okay.

Okay, it's a two-part question.

This is like-

New Landfrozer versus Lexus GX versus Defender 110,

and then part B, lease, finance, straight cash.

Okay.

Question number one is sort of like,

what do you value more?

In my opinion, the Defender drives the best

of those options, right?

The Toyota is the most bang for your buck

of those options.

And the Lexus kind of falls halfway in between,

but it drives a lot more like the Toyota

than it does like the Defender.

The Defender drives like a mini Range Rover,

like a Range Rover Lite.

Because is the Lexus still body frame?

Body on frame?

They're the same.

The Landfrozer and the Lexus are the same vehicle.

But the Defender is not, right?

No, that's unibody.

Yeah, it's unibody.

So like, if you're gonna lease,

I would, this is like a fuck Mary kill.

Is that actually what we're actually,

is that actually the question?

We can play it that way.

We're playing it that way.

Let's play it that way, this is a long question.

So this is the finance lease.

This is it.

This is the car version.

Finance it, lease it, straight cash.

Right, right.

So I say you finance the Landfrozer.

Right?

Cause you can keep it,

because that's someone who wants to keep it

for a long time.

Keep that shit for a long time,

pass your finance and then beyond, right?

Lease the Defender,

make it someone else's problem.

Yeah, definitely.

Oh yeah, that's the one you fuck.

And straight cash on the Lexus GX,

cause they have really good resale value.

For a second, I was like,

why would you not just buy the Landfrozer,

but the Lexus would have,

they both have great residual value.

They're both super popular names.

But yeah, I guess buying the higher market one,

maybe it'll hold your money a little bit better.

Yeah.

There's a lot more words to that question,

but it would take us a long time to get through them.

So we made it into a game.

If you want the, I mean,

go listen to the show we did with John McGuire

on financing versus leasing versus cash purchase.

Like that has all the detail you need.

Depends more about you than it does about the car.

Really.

Like what is your threshold for,

and also it's like, are you the kind of person,

if you know you're gonna want a new car

in three years, like lease,

because that's a bad way to like,

to buy a car and then sell it in three years,

that's like, that's bad idea.

But if you're gonna buy a car to hold on to it

for like a while, and we're talking about new cars,

buy a new car, hold on to it for like,

as long as you can bear kind of, you know what I mean?

But if you're a new every three or new every two

kind of person, you just know that,

get on the lease train.

Yeah.

Hold up, let me light this J up.

I don't, that's great.

It's a great way to live and a great username.

What's the rarest car that you've had a go in

that you hold over your journalists heads?

Okay.

For a minute, let's see.

Well, the Zinger briefly.

The Zinger made everyone jealous for a minute,

and now everyone else gets to drive that.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

But then you know, there's still no press launch

for that thing.

Yeah.

I was one of only like two people

to drive the Venom GT.

Yes. Which was a big deal for a minute.

Zinger Turbo, you know, for me.

I know they get people access, but it's hard to get it.

The Gunther Turbo Mule.

Oh yeah.

Only Johnny and I drove that.

And people were like, dude, dude, dude, dude,

what's the deal?

What's the deal?

You know, we're getting, you know, we're getting.

Oh yeah.

We're getting two things.

His other Gunther.

We're getting two things.

We're getting in a couple of weeks,

we're getting member Gunther,

they're trying to like experiment outside of Porsche

a little bit so that you drove that BMW that they did.

They've done a 458.

And so we're getting that.

It's apparently quite nasty, but it looks really good.

I've seen photos of it.

It looks really nice.

So I said, yes, we'll have a go with that.

Of course.

See what's up with that?

Totally.

We should for science.

458s are superb.

So we should really try what they could do with it.

And then we are gonna get the slant nose.

I think in January, they said the slant nose is ready.

And he said, it's, he said, if you put E85 in it,

it's over a thousand horsepower.

And I said, if you put E85 in that car,

I will fucking kill you.

Yeah, please don't do that.

I do not want that.

Please don't do that.

If he's gonna do that, he needs to rent a runway

for us also.

Yeah, I don't want any part of the street.

That sounds bad.

But let's see, was anything else?

I mean, what's so funny is like,

journalists get to drive everything.

So historical significance is what makes us

like kind of like drool.

So, you know, when like, Chris Harris gets to go

in a car that like won Le Mans, like he just sent me

a video of him like ripping a Skari

in a McLaren F1 long tail.

And I was like driving the 918 at the time.

And I was like, you had to fucking one up me,

you little shit head, didn't you?

You know, but like, what's his name?

Parnelli Jones is Mustang.

I got to drive the journalists.

You know, they drool over shit like that.

Is there anything else?

I don't know.

It's a good question though.

Those are pretty rare.

The Russell built car.

Oh yeah.

Like that's a, that was a one of one.

Oh, I drove the, I drove the Cunningham C5R.

They only made one of those.

That's, that's though.

That's the only one of them that ever existed.

Roof rodeo recently, but that's the odd,

like you said in the video,

the odds of us even seeing one of those again,

just seeing it is like astronomical.

Yeah.

So normally the only place you would see one of those

is like the quail or like, you know,

some other prestigious type of that.

You're not just going to see them around.

Eastside junk cars and salvage.

I hope this person uses this.

That makes it a write-off.

If you name, if you use your name as your business,

you're marketing, you're advertising

on the smoking tire podcast, it's marketing.

I don't even care if that's real, but I really like it.

I purchased a, a running driving functional 1997 GMC Sierra

for the rather felonious sum of just 18 Hyundai.

It compliments my GR 86 as a utility vehicle,

but reminds me of the value of simplicity,

how to be more present and how good my 86 is.

I had gotten a bit bored,

but thanks to the old truck, I'm in love again.

Is that just, is there more to that one, Zach?

Or is that the entire thing?

Oh yeah.

Do you ever get that refreshing feeling

within your own fleets or after a mediocre press loan?

Go, the, the, the going back to simple cars thing,

like I do kind of get, especially like slow ones,

like our Delica, our little, our Japanese van.

When you drive that thing, like it's got 85 horsepower.

Like you can only go so fast.

It's like not possible to be in a rush in that car.

Whereas if you're used to driving an electric car

or something all day, especially a big horsepower one,

you can drive like a total asshole

and not even really think about it.

So it's funny how getting in a really slow car,

you end up like getting to those places

in basically the same amount of time

and you're forced to sort of be like,

this is the speed I go.

Same thing with driving cross country in an EV.

Set the cruise at 74, demand, this is the speed I go.

It was a total actual mental reset

from the concept of constantly trying to make time,

which is what I normally do, which is what we did,

which is what we did the entire way

going to Utah and back a couple of days ago.

LL Cartier, but welcome to the Patreon,

east side tow and whatever,

wrecker, whatever your business name was.

LL Cartier says, I think the new Mybox

might have an insane aging arc.

I think they will be vomit worthy in 15 years,

but gold in 30 years.

Imagine a Mybox or Alpina from 1995.

The more stickers and promotions around it,

the better, right?

Possibly, I think the touch screens

could potentially really age these cars fast.

Yeah, and the plastic and stuff surrounding them

will age quickly and just the size of screens

kind of dates things.

The good trick the Bentley has done

with the rotating thing is eventually

if that screen looks old, you just spin it around

and you got those three gauges

and that'll kind of help.

The 918, the only thing that dates it

is those shitty haptic buttons.

And that thing is like 10 years old

and it's pretty rough to use those.

And so I'm not sure how the Mercedes stuff specifically

that's so touch screen involved,

like how that stuff comes back after,

you know, how it comes back up.

Like I can't, I don't want to be naive, but like.

I think, I mean, look, aftermarket with my car.

You've got this car play thing.

So now I have all the functionality.

I mean, the screen is lower res for sure,

but it gives me all the modern functions I really want.

So I think if you can do that.

No, no, but I'm saying if you buy a Maybach today.

Oh.

They're talking about,

are you talking about it today?

Like a 2025 Maybach.

Yeah.

25 years.

Like unless you have,

you're gonna need whole system replacement at that point.

Like how does that car ever become like a classic?

I just don't, I don't know.

I think, I think you make a great point.

The repairability, we've talked about this before

can be a huge headwind for something that's collectible.

If no one can work on it, vector or something.

Like if you need to know a machinist to make this engine work

or you need a computer programmer,

there's a guy that started a business.

He was an Indy 500, like, you know, Indy mechanic.

Now his business is building wiring systems

just to get vintage race cars going.

You need that guy who knows how to design

a wiring harness just for your car.

So you're gonna need that for the Maybach.

And that market will be so tiny.

There's like two people on the planet

they're gonna be interested in doing it.

Did I say in the last show,

because I had just come back from our collector friend's house,

he said, his personal mechanic,

he's got 70 plus cars.

And he said his personal mechanic is 74 years old.

And he said, if this guy retires or dies,

I'm selling all my cars the next day.

He said, I can't, I cannot go on without this person.

Wow.

And he's our age.

You know, but there, like when we did the Audrey thing

there was that young guy who was able to fix

a ton of stuff, Jesse or something.

Like they're out there, but they're hard to find.

Yeah.

Forgot that guy's name.

He was awesome.

Someone who speaks carb and computer.

Yeah.

Well, and what, and Magneto.

And that, yeah.

Lockshock Darrell said,

I got the Sky Dweller as a loner and hated it.

What other watches did you get as loners?

Try on at the AD or purchase

that didn't hold up to what you expected?

Oh, this seems like, I almost,

this is like a planted question

because I'm about to sell a bunch of watches.

Is it, is it like two gauche?

None of them are that expensive.

Like the most expensive one I want to sell.

I don't want to sound like an asshole,

but the most expensive one I want to sell is like five grand.

Everything is under that.

The cheapest one would be a couple hundred bucks.

There's probably 10 watches I want to sell.

Is it, do she just try to post on Instagram

the watches and the prices?

If the prices are 10% below market value

across the board, is that do she?

I don't think so.

All right.

You're not pricing them with the Matt Farah bump.

You're like, this is fair market value,

a little bit less.

Yeah.

If anybody likes them.

I'm cleaning out the closet.

All right.

I think I might do that.

It seems like the easiest way.

People, people that we work with sell stuff

on Instagram all the time.

I know.

I just seem, it seems a little douchey,

but okay, so doing the watch podcast

and being sponsored by watched people

and getting to try stuff on.

Oh my God, how spoiled I got.

That's, that shit was really spoiled

because even like press cars, same kind of deal.

You know, so many cars that imagine,

imagine how many cars you and I would have been like,

if we never got to try them, they would have been like,

I want to buy one of those, but after a week,

either you go, oh, hell no, or you go,

you know, actually, I've tried that and you know,

had it.

I could tell you what it's about

and went on an adventure and like,

and like, normally you would have to have

those type of experience.

Now it's not in order to do that

and so it's a perk of the job

that we don't spend money on things

we already know aren't gonna work out.

Totally.

That's just like a little, a slight side benefit of the job.

And I think that's why so many people

look to us for car advice

because they don't want to spend money

on something they don't like either.

With the watches, what I've learned

from like 10 years of collecting watches is,

it's all about the fit.

It's about how it fits on your wrist.

And I've bought watches that are supposedly 40 millimeters

or 45 or 46 and they all fit.

They all fit like kind of different

and you can't go off an Instagram photo.

You really have to try it on.

And so the Sky Dweller, I thought was a really cool watch

until I wore one for like a month

and I was like, actually it's like a little too big

and the complication doesn't really do anything for me.

It's kind of hard to read.

And so glad I didn't buy that.

You know, that's an expensive fucking watch.

Good thing I didn't learn that by buying it.

Panerai Luminors.

Look great on Instagram.

Look great on everybody else.

I hate how they sit on my wrist.

Let's see.

On our related questions,

Chappy asked, do you have a max number of nice watches

before you start selling

or do you just sell them on your board

or you don't wear them?

Don't, it's the same as cars.

If you don't use it, it's gotta go.

So any, the watches I'm selling,

I probably haven't worn for like five or six months.

So that's, if you don't wear it for like five

or six months, you know,

those like a house cleaning specialists

that help you declutter your shit.

Yeah, does it spark joy?

Yeah, or have you touched this in like two years?

Have you worn the sweater in two years?

Have you worn these shoes?

If you haven't two years, shit's gotta go.

It's not for everybody.

And I don't live my house that way.

Obviously you've been to my fucking house,

but how many watches can you wear?

And so if I want a new watch,

if I'm looking at something,

we gotta clean out the closet.

Limited amount of space, you know?

We're not getting a bigger safe.

Yeah, so we'll just keep expanding.

They're safe or whatever.

I've been talking to these collectors

for this article.

All these folks, once money doesn't matter anymore,

if you're fortunate enough to get to that,

big money where it's like, pfft, whatever,

kind of what kind of living.

If you're fortunate to get there, time.

Cause I've been talking about like,

talking to people with 918s for this story I'm doing.

And like, everyone I know,

which is admittedly just a small sample size,

but like, I know four or five people who own 918s,

which is more than most people do.

So like, every single one of those folks

talks about like, a very busy family life,

a very busy work life, travel, you know,

either for work or to multiple different homes seasonally.

And then they own many cars.

And so the answer to like,

why wouldn't you daily this is like, oh no, I would,

but like, I'm doing shit.

So like, I can't really argue with that so much, you know,

it's more of a, I don't have time to daily it

than I actually, than it has anything to do with

I won't put miles on the car.

I didn't talk to anybody with an investment grade 918

that they were afraid to put miles on.

So maybe my theory didn't hold up, you know.

It's just time though.

Yeah, maybe people, I mean,

zero mile and like sub 500 mile ones do come up.

So this is true for some people,

but maybe not my group of friends.

The nice thing about the car hobby

is assuming you have a commute or something

or like you can drop your kids off and pick them up.

You can do that in your car.

Whereas, you know, if you have a dirt bike,

a mountain bike, rock climbing gear, hockey gear,

like all of those hobbies you drive to

and then you do them.

So you can't really integrate them

into your daily life as much.

Yeah.

But yeah, getting to try stuff without having to buy it.

That's a privilege.

I'm sorry I don't have a bigger list of things I didn't like.

Yeah.

Sorry.

A lot of like tutors, they just don't do it.

They don't do it for me.

Sorry.

And vintage stuff, which I love looking at on Instagram

but cannot wear.

Nothing vintage.

Johnny Evie Gierberman, have you ever driven

a G8 GXP with a manual?

How similar is the recipe to the E39 M5

even with the bad interior?

I mean, similar, like pretty similar actually.

In fact, if you get to the Chevy SS 2015 with MagRide,

I would argue that that is the same formula

executed better.

That's a great car.

Chevy SS MagRide is a better E39 M5.

If you find one that's not had the shit kicked out of it.

Yeah.

Those fucking things are bad ass.

They're so fast.

They look rad.

Great fender flares, everything.

They just, the steering is great.

MagRide, the clutch is really nice.

The shifter's really nice.

Those things rip.

Chevy reliability.

I mean, it's everything you want.

And it's 12 years newer than an E39.

Well, what that really means in practice

is a much better steering ratio.

It's got a much sharper steering rate.

Oh, because it's newer.

Right, yeah.

I thought you meant because it's a Chevy.

Yeah, the E39 M5 is great,

but it's almost like we were talking about last show,

like Boxster to NSX.

It's kind of like that evolution

where you've got that, you know, in 2015,

GM was making some pointy ass cars.

Yeah.

Just the Camaro was awesome then.

Yeah, the C7 was pointy.

Yeah, I mean, those are quick cars.

Yeah.

Waymo handjobs from women, I hardly know.

All right.

Is a well-maintained Lexus GX or 4Runner

with 200K miles worth 13 to 17,000 bucks.

I expected to get one for around 10.

Curious on your thoughts?

Yes, I do think it's probably worth that.

I mean, I think those are really well-made

and simple vehicles.

Vinny's is nice.

You know what I mean?

Right?

His is a GX470?

His old one?

Sorry.

His is an LX.

His older one's an LX570.

Oh, it's a slightly bigger one.

Those are Link Land Cruisers.

Yeah.

Even the GX are, yeah, I think so.

13 to 7, yeah, because people still use them

as overlanding vehicles and stuff like that.

And the thing about it is like,

look, I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

The difference from 10 grand to 13, luckily, is close.

But I think you could put miles on that car

assuming it's been well-maintained.

And if you buy it with 200,000 miles

and you want to sell it with 220 or 230 later,

the market won't care.

They'll buy it from you because those are reliable

off-road vehicles and everyone loves them.

Yeah.

And I mean, I think people,

forerunner and Lexus off-road people,

you're talking about like the kings of resale value.

Yeah.

I mean.

I think this person, the market you're seeing

is the market.

You can go on there and go,

that's more than I was hoping to spend.

That's a fair thing.

But I think the bidding market has softened a little bit,

but it's a good representation

of what people were paying.

Maybe you find a slightly better deal

on Facebook marketplace

because it's not going to have all the hype

and as many eyeballs.

You could do that.

Maybe you'll be able to find a pretty decent like GMT-800.

Like a Tahoe from like,

what's the first year?

Maybe it was 2000 or 2001.

When they just started around it.

Yeah.

It's a good truck.

A roundy Tahoe.

I think for 17 grand,

you could probably find one of those

with 125,000 miles on it.

And it could still be in decent shape, I guess.

But I think.

So, I mean, I wouldn't shy away from those GMT-800.

I think that's the 800.

I'm pretty sure.

The roundy Tahos, those are really, those are nice.

Law and order ripped from the bread lines.

We're heading there.

What is the best experience per dollar

in a front engine rear drive V12 manual?

Does the 550 Maranello reign supreme

or what about the eight series or Aston DB7

or manual swapped vanquish?

I mean, if really, if we're talking value,

a manual DB7 is cheap

and it sounds nice

and it's actually quite pretty.

Yeah, I think a DB7 like GTA is a very pretty car.

The convertible's not so much

because the way the top sits on the back

but the coupes I think are actually very pretty.

Clean, really clean design

and they've got a V12 and you can, you know, pretty,

I think pretty handsome interior.

Look at this.

This is 20, 31,000 mile 03.

This is from 2022.

But bid to 31,000.

Wow.

That's a V12 manual Aston Martin.

Come on.

You know what I mean?

I bet that's cheaper these days.

Yeah, is there anything you can see?

Look up, go up to the top to click on that link

and let's see if there's a recent.

What are DB7s going for now?

So here's a, fuck, these are great deals.

Jesus.

Here you go.

32,000 mile, 2,000 DB12 Vantage Coupe six speed,

44,000 bucks last week.

Looks good.

Last week, the Volante's aren't worth shit.

They're all starting with a two.

That's crazy.

Wow. Bro, that is classy.

Yeah.

Dark blue, Volante.

I mean, assuming you have, I mean, any cheap V12,

you know, you need to have an appetite for service.

But that is a very pretty car.

Sounds very good.

It has a stick, you know, I like it.

I mean, here's a coupe for 32, probably higher miles

because next to it, there's one with 6,000 miles,

kilometers, and that was 70 grand.

I feel like, I feel like, how do you fucking lose?

That's pretty awesome.

How do you buy a 20,000 mile V12 Aston Martin

for 35 grand?

I mean, you know, you gotta get insured,

you gotta keep it running, but that's money in, money out.

That's pretty cool.

A V12 Aston Martin is absolutely bottomed out

at 30,000 bucks.

And, because to get a decent 550 with a manual

is to get a start with 80.

A shitty 550 is 90, like a really shitty one.

I mean, the one I drove, the center console popped out

under acceleration and needed a little repair there,

and that was priced at 70, and that was also six years ago.

And look, there's a lot to love about 550s,

but they only drive.

Marginally better.

Okay, only marginally better than the Aston.

I think the Aston's giving you,

I mean, that whole experience is shifting,

sound, and looks when you get out of it,

and they both have that.

Yeah.

And I mean, and look, I have a vanquish,

but a vanquish is probably, they ask for best value,

and a vanquish will give a better driving experience

than a DB7, but probably 2.5x the price.

One, because they didn't really come manual,

so you've gotta get, either get a factory manual,

which they don't, they never published

how many they made.

They made 100 final edition Ss, right?

In 06, which were available in manual,

but they never said how many were actually made in manual,

and it wasn't all of them.

So nobody knows, or at least no one outside

of Aston Martin, they're not telling.

The DB7 actually came with a manual,

so you don't have to do that, you just buy it and go.

Lane Meyers Manx, if you were to do a singer-esque

company, but with Ferraris,

what model would you choose and why?

I mean, so the only time you can do it, huh?

Well, it's tough because with Singer,

I think a lot of their success was from the aesthetics.

They changed it very slightly, and all my favorite Ferraris

I don't know what I would change.

I don't have the pen in my brain to be like,

here's what I would do to redesign the 550 Maranello.

Like I'm not touching that.

So you can do a little drivetrain and suspension.

You just have to pick a model.

You don't have to say what you would change.

I mean, the 355, if it was possible

to just make it bulletproof, and maybe like,

I don't know what I'd fuck with though.

That's what's tough.

What you really wanna do is just put basically

a 360-challenged Schradale engine in the back of a 355.

Like that's pretty much it.

That's a good idea.

You really don't have to do, it would sound great.

Like it would work better.

Like that's pretty much it.

355, but with timing chain conversion.

Timing chain conversion and make, you know,

not magnesium valves anymore.

I do like the woven leather seats in Singer's.

I know that a friend of ours thinks they suck

in those cars, but.

The woven leather is cool.

I think it's very cool.

The woven leather is fucking cool.

And you could get rid of the gummy buttons.

You could redo the interior a little bit,

but it's careful.

Gotta be careful.

Yeah, the problem with the 355 is that it's perfect.

And so you, in terms of how it looks

and in terms of how it drives, it's no notes.

And so like, well, what are you gonna do to that?

And so, and what, again, we say this all the time,

but what Singer and others, but mainly Singer, started is,

is taking advantage of the fact

that the 911 was the same underneath for many years.

And so they could do a greatest hits catalog

of 911 bits, and they smartly chose

which bits came from where,

to create this highlight reel of air-cooled love.

There's only certain Ferraris you could do that with.

You could either do like a 328, 308, 328, 288 GTO

and create, that went all the way to the F40, right?

From the 308 to the F40 is like one line.

So you could use that one,

or you could do the 348, 355, sort of one.

Just depends on how good the cert,

like 360 body on a 458 chassis would be rad,

but I know it wouldn't work.

Because you need the air intake for the 458,

you need to keep everything cool and working,

so that'd be tough.

Yeah.

I mean, that one dude put like a,

what is essentially a destruct, I think,

a 360 engine in a Dino, which is pretty,

That's exciting.

Pretty bitchin', that's pretty cool.

So like, Dino's actually could be, it would be a good one.

I mean, just if you, because you could update a Dino,

if you, I mean, if someone really wanted

to burn the money, they're very beautiful,

but you could make some subtle tweaks to a Dino

and make it a V8, even if it was like a 328 engine

with carbs or something, so it sounded good,

but made like 280 horsepower instead of like 180.

That would be a good improvement.

They're gorgeous cars too.

Yeah.

Frozenberry Metallic Floyd says debating whether to finance

the Vegas trip or not, thoughts.

The road and track experience.

I've always wanted to go on one.

I mean, dude, that doesn't sound wise.

I know there's people that finance experience is out there.

That does not seem like a wise thing to be doing.

How about this?

I don't think the trips are going anywhere.

Can you save?

I would do that.

Because if you save and some emergency happens,

you have the money, you know?

And then reward yourself for saving well

by going on the trip, you know?

Otherwise it will be a form of a place of stress,

in my opinion, you know,

the whole time I'd be going like,

is this fun enough to justify stretching my budget?

And then later, every time the bill comes,

you're like, okay, I gotta pay this off.

I think it could actually be more stressful.

Dude, it's one thing to finance something

that is like a car, and you use the car every day.

You need the car, you finance the car,

and yeah, I'm paying every month,

but I'm also driving every day.

Dude, to go on a vacation and be making payments

like six months later, oh, bro.

Yeah.

Even the best vacation after six months.

The memories faded, sure.

After six months, that vacation's gone.

Like, I'm so glad that these trips are so appealing to you

that that is an idea that comes in your head,

but save, don't finance, please.

You'll be happier.

You'll be happier going home from the vacation,

not in debt.

Yes.

Matt and the giant Porsche, I like it.

How do you feel about the prospect

of the rumored five-cylinder Golf R?

I think it is a way to keep the Golf R interesting

for another generation, especially if maybe they had plans

to possibly kill gasoline-powered Golfs

and only do an electric run, and this was the only way.

But it also may not happen.

I don't know.

I think it would make sense.

They've already got a good engine.

It makes sense that they would put it in there.

It'd be interesting to see how they price it

because it would compete with the RS3,

but you can't get the RS3 in a five-door, right?

So.

Not in America.

Right, so it's kind of like, all right,

here's your wagon, but it's different,

and they'll find a way to separate them, of course.

Sure.

The Audi will always be more expensive.

Yeah, but it's a $25,000 problem.

You're right, exactly.

And some extra tech or something.

It'd be cool.

It would sound rad.

I liked the Golf R a lot, the current Golf R,

the Mark VIII.

I need to get a Volkswagen and get a loan

because I really enjoyed it in performance car of the year.

Don't know whether on the Boxer or the Jag.

Probably was not.

It seems like Mazda and Toyota are getting together

for the next gen of Miata N86.

I can't feel like on paper the ethos are the same,

but in reality they're quite different.

I actually, you know what?

I'm gonna just, I'm gonna table this one

because I haven't read anything about this.

Have you read about this?

No.

I haven't known, I don't know anything about it,

and if we have something to comment, I'll comment,

but I would just be guessing,

and it was a very specific question.

I don't have the answer to.

Performance stats commonly refer,

Street Parked says performance stats

so commonly refer to peak horsepower and torque,

how can automakers and journalists better convey

horsepower and torque as area under the curve,

especially with blended ice and electric power

that result in higher power?

I mean, I like to think that when I do a car review,

I can't speak for anybody else,

I talk about the power band, the width of the power band,

every single video, it's what is the peak torque,

what is the tip in, what is the peak torque,

what is the peak power, how wide is the power band?

Usually expressed in terms of RPM.

So that's the best I can do, is is this car

have a wide power band or a narrow power band,

and if it's wide, then your area under the curve is good.

I think it's also wise, a lot of magazines

will do like the five to 60 test

or an actually top gear passing stuff,

like how does this feel, or how does it accelerate

from low RPM in higher gears,

because that helps you understand the power band.

But it's a hard thing to explain,

and if you just quantify it,

but you have to explain to the audience

what that number means.

But also a lot of, I think you read a lot of car reviews,

especially ones written by guys

who are really good with dynamics,

they'll say, the power builds from 1800 RPM

and it remains flat, or it's peaky, or it's whatever.

Usually they, it's part of the job

to find a way to describe that power band, ideally.

Panamera Bread says, I recently learned

about the Louis Erard 2340 line.

Looks kind of like the Royal Oak.

What's up with the brand?

Is it too close to a copycat or homage?

You got a picture of this one, Zach,

because I don't really know that.

Okay, so what we're looking at is

what's called an integrated bracelet sport watch.

I think it's a pretty nice sport watch.

And I think this watch has elements.

What do you, what is it?

You've called up the dictionary deck.

I don't know how to do that.

This watch has elements of similarity

with other watches that are both cheaper and more expensive.

So this sort of case, it looks,

it's not really Royal Oak,

like the Royal Oak case is more octagonal,

or hexagonal, six or eight.

It's six, six side.

The eight sides is the Royal Oak, sorry.

This is a round dial.

It's more like the Rolex Land Dweller,

what they've just done, or the old Rolex Oyster Quartz.

Citizen also has a watch that has a case similar like this

with an integrated bracelet.

I think this is a very nice watch.

I don't know a lot about Louis Erard as a brand.

I imagine, I know a lot of their collab watches,

like the Allen Silverstein one,

that's like weird cartoony.

And I actually think that one's pretty cool.

This is literally the first time

I've ever seen this particular watch.

But I think it looks nice.

And for under 3,000 Swiss francs,

I think it's a brand that is at least familiar enough

in watch circles.

And you're probably going to get a high quality movement,

but I've never tried this watch on.

What do we have next, my friend?

And yellow bed wetter, best one yet.

Best one yet for Pearl Jam references.

My wife has owned a 2002 Boxster S for 20 years

and is looking for something similar but newer.

Should she consider anything other than a newer Boxster S?

It's a weekend summer car, probably not.

I mean, there's, I think I can actually say

that when it comes to the Boxster, there is no substitute.

Like if you actually want a Boxster,

like what else would you get that isn't just a Boxster?

I mean, I guess if you are,

I mean, this might be weird,

but like you might want to consider

a C8 Corvette convertible, maybe.

But something tells me that if you've had a Boxster

for 20 years, the new one will be just similar enough

and just different enough that you'll have it

for another 20 years.

And if you can, I mean, you should get a gas one like now,

just in case.

If you're considering, you know,

you should probably get a gas one now.

Ferrari SP90 drivers triggered by ED mode.

Me and Doug have both owned an H1 Acuntas,

a mid-engine Porsche and probably other cars.

Additionally, we have a podcast co-host with BMW.

What one car from a car celebrities collection

would you like to own, including upkeep costs

that you don't own already?

Well, I'd love a Carrera GT.

Love, love.

Yeah, I would want Doug's Ford GT.

Sure.

Yeah.

I'd love a Ford GT also.

Doug is one economic tier past me.

And so when I get to where he's at,

I'll get them shits too.

He's got a great garage.

Yeah, he's got it going on.

Doug's coming on the podcast on December 1st,

which is my birthday.

That's why he's gonna be here.

That's all.

He used to come on Jesus' birthday,

but now he's coming on Ferra's birthday.

He comes around Thanksgiving time.

I thought it was always Christmas.

Well, it's the Christmas end of your show.

Holiday season.

It's a holiday season show.

We don't call it that anymore.

For the big ad rates, dude,

so we can get the hit in December.

You think this shits accidental?

Yeah, I think those are two.

I mean, didn't Tyler Hoover just buy a Galwing?

He did?

I think Tyler Hoover sold a bunch of cars

to get a Galwing.

Wow.

I think he did.

Yeah.

I'd love to have a Galwing.

I'm not the right person to have a Galwing,

but I'd love to.

That car drives really good.

The thing with, and also,

car celebrity is a very broad term

because there's folks like Adam L.Z.

Has rad drift cars I'd want to own.

Sure.

And then Vin and Achlo's got his sick GT3 RS.

You know, Ron had a iconic car for like six.

He's got some cool stuff.

Yeah.

Bush did 997 says, what's the best invisible car?

New Prius.

Or Model 3.

Sure.

Yeah, Model, I mean, probably,

probably a Model 3.

Or what's like the most,

what's the most,

what's a car,

because like everyone knows what a Model 3 is.

What's a car that is so generic

that just nobody would even know what it is?

I guess you go, what the fuck is that like?

Oh, that just looks like nothing.

Yeah.

Like a Chevy Malibu.

Hyundai Santa Fe, the old Santa Fe.

The old, like a CX-5 or three.

I don't know, any of the eggs.

Yeah.

All the eggs in white,

the fleet white.

That will walk amongst them.

Sure.

Yeah.

If you're trying to be,

what's his face from Breaking Bad?

Like you're moving a lot of product

and you want no one to pay attention to you.

I think you drive something that people see a lot of

and they just assume that you're Uber or a commuter.

You know, they don't want any, whatever.

A four and a half year old Dodge Caravan.

Sure.

You know?

Yeah.

And like a sort of,

like it looks like you bought it off

like Enterprise, you know,

used a lot basically.

That's kind of, that's how you roll.

Cross country.

But keep it clean.

Yeah.

Yeah, you need to make sure it looks

clean and wash and cared for.

Yeah.

My Porsche's Lego says I want to replace my,

I'm looking, I need a family hauler daily commuter

to replace my 10 year old Subaru.

I'm looking at used X5s and Cayans,

but I'm tempted to look at the Taycan Cross Turismo.

We have a road trip car,

so this would be a daily commuter

for a six four human with two kids and an orange dog.

Charging at home is an option.

I've got 60 to 70 K.

Hell yeah.

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