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About this episode
Diving into the world of project cars, this episode explores the realities of buying and restoring classic vehicles. The hosts discuss their recent acquisition of a 1969 Nova named 'White Noise' and the challenges of sourcing parts, managing costs, and the emotional investment involved in building a car. They also debate the merits of new muscle cars versus project cars, emphasizing the importance of budgeting for unexpected repairs and modifications. Listeners gain insights into the complexities of car ownership and the financial implications of restoring classic vehicles.
Topics:
project cars
budgeting for restoration
buying advice
muscle cars
restoration challenges
classic cars
emotional investment
cost management
car shows
sourcing parts
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Speaker 2: Happy Saturday, America. You're listen Let's Talk Cars Radio and
WKQA Freedom Radio. I'm your host, Big DAVPA, Hangout Camera
Chaos and AVB. Hey, it is a great Saturday. Hopefully
where you guys are at you have decent weather. It's
funny we've been talking about the way it's been going up and down. It's like twenty degrees here one day
and then it's seventy degrees the next day, and people are trying to get car shows in regardless of what the weather is. And I was talking to somebody just recently.
They said they're like, oh, I went to the car show and I'm like, hell, what was it temperature? He's like,
I don't know. It was thirty three, thirty eight degrees
something like that. I'm like, yep, it was cold. I'm like,
you're not getting me out there in that temperature. I mean,
I love cars, trust me, I love cars. I work
out in the garage. It could be cold. It doesn't
bother me. But at the same point, like and everybody's like, well,
don't you have heat? Y I got a heat out
in the garage, But a lot of times the boys will tell you I don't even turn it on. I
just let it be cold. Everybody else complains. I'm like, no,
I'm comfortable. I'm good because I tend to like the cold.
But what I don't like is being outside thirty three degrees with a little bit of wind blowing on me, just like I look at some cars in a parking lot.
Speaker 3: Ain't happening. I don't know. I wait till it's just
a little bit warmer.
Speaker 2: But with that being said, we are rolling quickly quickly into back into the car season. I said, I see
a lot of things being post getting a lot of invites a lot of people starting to set things up.
So we are trying to figure out our calendar, to figure out where we're going to be this year.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll see you guys somewhere out there. You never
know where we're gonna be.
Speaker 2: I know that we were just working on SEMA stuff again for Seema twenty twenty five, so you guys should be seeing us out there. So if you want to
come hang out with us and have a good time, put it on your schedule. We will be out there
again this year. We'll see what kind of things we
get set up as time rolls on. But yeah, we're
starting already of that process. I cannot believe we're already
putting SEMA together for next year. So well, actually it's
this year, but it's the next you know what I mean, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: You gotta do it earlier now, I mean, I mean, this is going to be our third Seema, that third or fourth Sema that we're going to send me up, and so just a lot of stuff you got to plan, and it.
Speaker 2: Just takes a lot to put the pieces together and make it all happen. Like I said, we're on it
really early this year because last year was a full schedule for us. We're just trying to make sure that
we get everything in place. Like I said, I'm starting
to get requests for people from things they want us to show up to, and it's just hard to be every place at once. With that being said, I got
some messages people asked me, Hey, Dave, I know it's getting close.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely a Hey Dave, so but it's.
Speaker 2: Getting close around the time and I said I was kind of interested in buying a new muscle car, and people started kind of, hey, is that really going to happen and stuff. Well, as you guys know, there's a
lot of things we want to do, we end up buying just like we said we were going to. We
bought another project car. So I told you guys, keep
an eye out that that was probably gonna be happen.
You guys know that we did. If you hadn't listened
the last couple of shows, you don't know what I'm talking about. We end up buying a sixty nine Nova.
The car is named White Noise, and we were in the process of getting that together and hopefully have it out to the car shows this season's I don't see any reason why not unless something just totally go completely goes wrong, apart from maybe a motor coming apart. But
even then, I got another motor sitting in the corner can easily be dropped in that car, But there should be no reason that ever happens.
Speaker 3: Knock on wood. But yeah, it's not on what. But
like I said, yes the.
Speaker 2: Answer the question, yes, I have been And as I told you guys, I've been looking to buy a newer muscle car. That means like twenty twenty four, twenty four five,
possibly twenty twenty six, who knows. And if you guys
been paying attention, I told you exactly what I want it I wanted the new boss musting. Problem with it
is is four can't give us a release date to tell us when that may happen, or what happened, what it is, what it's going exactly. There's so many rumors
of what kind of power planet would happen. And so
then Nathaniel I got talking about and he's like, well, would you be interested in just buying a Shelby? And
I was like I would. The problem I was worried
about with the Shelby is exactly what looks like it's gonna end up happening. It's just going to be kind
of a GT just dressed up, and for the kind of money that they're demanding for it, I personally that's not what I want. I was interested in the Boss
because the Boss is supposed to be a new engine, platform, new setup. It's going to be different than what's kind
of out there on the road. It is gonna be
limited production. That's what made me interested in that car.
That's reason why I have been steadily hounding for it and talking to all our four contexts, trying to say is this happening? Is not? Everybody says it is, and
then people say, well, we may hold off for a little bit. So I just can't get a dead answer.
I'm I'd say probably eighty five percent. They're ready to
pull the trigger on it if it falls in the price point that.
Speaker 3: I was told to that it would, but I can't get a direct answer.
Speaker 2: So then the second thing about it was is I got something sent to me and they're like, hey, you talked about the cars out Ohio. Would you be interested
in doing that? If you guys don't know what I'm
talking about, go look up. Believe it's Lebanon, Ohio, and
that's where they build the custom Mustangs with like a thousand horsepower. The prices are really good on them. You
can start it in a dark horse, and you can do a bunch of stuff to it, and at least you have something different than just you know, a GT Musting, you know, for the money that you spent.
Speaker 5: Right, But are they just throwing a supercharger on it?
Nothing like suspension wise? I mean, maybe a couple appearance packages.
Speaker 2: But there is, like what I read, there is a couple of different stages to it. As my understanding, you
could be right. So there's there is throwing a supercharger
on which gives it the power. Then they're talking about
doing some suspension stuff to it, and then you know, just kind of face. So there is a lot of
things good. First of all, let's be honest. So it's
a thousand horsepower Mustang for really close to what you pay for just a GT. You said to wait for it.
How they make that happen? No one has been able
to figure it out in like the last six seven years they've been building these cars. But the price points
are really really good. So to answer that, for a
couple people that sent me the letter and ask me about it. Yeah, I would kind of be interested in
doing something like that. But once again, the one thing
that stood out for me on the Boss Mustang was limit production. The body style is a little different. It
had a little bit of wider stands to if they do everything they say they were going to do, and it's just a really cool car, and I that spoke to me on a lot of levels, and everybody goes, Okay, why don't you just do the GTT. I don't think
it's worth the money. That's just my personal experience looking
at everything. I can't justify spending that kind of money
on what it is. And everybody's like, well, it's a supercar. Okay,
I did it. I get it, but it's still a lot.
I that's just my personal feeling. You guys are gonna
diagree with me.
Speaker 3: Send the emails.
Speaker 2: I'm used to it. It's just a lot of money,
I think for what you're getting, that's just my if.
Speaker 3: You're if you're just using it as a personal right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely So then it was like, okay, so you know one of the things everybody you know, we're talking about, They're like, I know you're stuck on that color that the boss spels to come in and it is I really like that color.
Speaker 3: They're like, well, why don't you just go ahead and.
Speaker 2: Buy a dark horse supercharge it, give it all kinds of crazy horsepower. Meye, put a wide body kid on
it and then put that color wrap on it. And
I'm like, okay, I could do that, but for the kind of money that I would have tied up in the car, I'm getting over one hundred thousand dollars and then it's just one hundred thousand dollars for something that I like. I would never get the money back out
of it because it's something that I build right to make what I want. And that's one of the biggest
conversations that every single car show you go to is you know, you'll look at a car and go, eh, I don't know if I would have done that, and people go, yeah, but that's what he wanted. He did
it for himself. He wasn't really worried about. I can
say the same thing about the transam. Everybody goes, Okay,
you got a lot of money tied up in the transam.
I don't know if I tie that much money into it, and I go, ok yep, I get it. It's but
I didn't build it for you. I built it for me,
and then the money didn't really seem significant. When I
was building, I really didn't care. I'm building the car
for what I want the car to be. No different
with white noise. We'll do some things to it. May
not be for everybody what they would do to it, but we're building it for ourselves. If you appreciate what
we've done, that's great. But when you start talking about
over one hundred thousand dollars for a car and you had to build it into what you want and it's on a brand new car, I'm not talking about restoring a car, talking about a brand new car, it poses a question a little bit of Okay, can I be one twenty five one point thirty into a car and I had to add all this stuff to make it?
And then I'll never see that money again. I don't
care when anybody says you won't. I can't count how
many times I've seen and this has happened, And go take a look at it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys have super cars are really expensive.
Speaker 2: Go to zero, well, or somebody who put two hundred thousand dollars into a car, and they kept it for a couple of years, and when it's time to sell it, they're getting more like if they're lucky, one fifty for it.
And they got over two hundred thousand dollars in that car and there because they built it to what they like.
And that's just not for everybody, right, I mean, so you just you had to do that math. And me
being a money person and having a really hard time party ways with money on certain aspects. And I don't
usually have a problem when it comes to cars, but in that aspect and go, Okay, if I spend crazy money on it, I'll never see that money back if I decide to get rid of the car. Is it
worth it that much to me to have it? And
the answer is real simple, guys, I don't think it is.
First of all, it's a stretch, my Mustang fans know, for me to even want to go out and buy a Mustang, you know what I mean. Like, I've always
been a classic Musting guy. I haven't really been much
into the newer Mustangs, although I do have They've grown on me and I like them.
Speaker 5: But I think sometimes when you get to that hive a point, price point right, and something that it should be validated by upgrading, you know, a bunch of parts or what make it of what it is, making it really different from what the base model is. I think,
I think what they were talking about it's still rumors and stuff. But the Shelby New Cholly is coming out.
It's going to be the base model of the GT.
But it's kind of like, you know, for a bunch of stuff at it, right, you know, fuil a bunch of stuff at it. I think for some of that
price point and something that's supposed to be you know, one hundred thousand dollars one hundred and ten thousand and supposed to be hailed, you know, higher and stuff it should have, you know, something that you know makes it different.
Speaker 2: A crown like jewel of But if you're starting with a GT and you're just gonna throw some horsepower.
Speaker 3: At it and stuff like that, at the end of the day, anybody can do that.
Speaker 2: For realist like Nathaniel and I when we talk about cars, it's still just the GT that you threw some stuff out right.
Speaker 5: And then you know, at that point you know you're paying double for you know, necessarily just appearance.
Speaker 2: Look right, it is double the value of the car.
You took a GT, threw some stuff at it. Now
you're at double what you could have. You could have
bought two of them, two gts for it, But it's still a g T. I don't care what you throw
at it. It's that's still the bloodline of it is
where it started at, right, So you know, and that was the problem I think with the dark Horse for a lot of people. Right, So I've had a lot
of conversations about the dark dark Horse in the last year.
That's well, I didn't like about the dark and everybody it's like, well, you know, I really want a dark Horse.
But when I got right down to the brass text of it, I kind of was buying a GT with just some things thrown at it, with a name, pretty name, and I paid a lot for that. And these are
people who already owned it, right, like you know, I own it, and now that i'm.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's nice. Don't get me wrong, I agree something,
but for the price difference, you're not. You know, yeah,
it has more horsepower and you know, a couple of extra things that are at it, but the same time, it's you know, like.
Speaker 3: You and I talk about it, right, it's a super charge at and achievement.
Speaker 5: Now do you really get you know, a difference for the price amount. You know, especially if you did it
for yourself, you know, you probably could do a lot cheaper than you know, having a couple of names.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing, so you got a lot of people though that don't have you know, the capability is right, they don't have to cap double or you know, the money to pay some shot to.
Speaker 3: Do it for them.
Speaker 2: So they're you know, when you know twelve thousand dollars, you can throw some serious horsepower at that car.
Speaker 3: If do it yourself at twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're going to buy all that and they have to have somebody to put it on, you're probably look at another seven thousand dollars in labor. Now you
start talking real money, you get almost twenty grand.
Speaker 5: To a fact, I don't believe that you get to the price point that they're selling it at right.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem. The dollars and census for me
is always a problem. And that we'll tell you. We've
looked at a lot of different cars over the years.
We've looked at a lot of project cars that I've looked at, but when it comes to dollars and cents, And that's actually in today's show as well, because with some questions came through on some Hey Daves as well that we'll jump into. You really have to factor a
lot of things into when it comes to you buying a car, building a car, whatever it may be. All
the things go with put the word car there, and especially when it's a muscle car, and then you have to separate yourself from the fact of looking at things when it comes to it and like I said, does does the money add up? Right? And if it doesn't,
then you have to make that decision. Am I doing
it just because I think that's cool and that's what I want? Or will there be money at the end
of the road if I decide to part way with this car?
Speaker 5: And and that's a big challenge for some people too.
It really you never really never know what's going to be hitting you know, years later, or if it's going to carry down the value that you bought it for.
And so but if you know, I mean some people that are car people and so they know kind of what sticks and what works to service.
Speaker 2: That's why I think terms always are like you buy it, you buy it right, you don't sell it right and right.
If you buy it right, you can sell it right if you if you didn't buy it right, you're sure enough for selling it right.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, so you have to think.
Speaker 2: About that and then that all the modifications you made, Does somebody want those? Right?
Speaker 3: Are they? Are they attracted to that?
Speaker 2: And if they're not, and even if they are, so, here's the thing that biggest problem is just because you paid twenty thousand dollars for a nod on another ten thousand here and another ten thousand dollars there, you're not getting money for money back on that.
Speaker 3: Just just know it's not happening. If you say it,
they might like it, right, I'll pay that for it, right, they.
Speaker 2: Want to steal it from you. That's the whole point.
You know, you may have put fifty thousand dollars on top of the purchase price of that car, and they want to pay probably twenty thousand of that fifty thousand that you put into it.
Speaker 5: So the way it was good about buying you know, cars from like the marketplace and you buy some that someone else's project that they've put time, money into and you're hoping that you get it for a deal, and you get those person look at those.
Speaker 2: So when I'm looking at cars Marketplace one of the titles, I look on our project cars, I look for people that have started it and haven't finished it, and I'm like, Okay, how much is it going to cost me to finish that?
Once again in this show as well as some stuff about that, because people ask me the questions so and I don't think people really think about like the true parts of.
Speaker 3: The value of the parts, well, just what it's really going to take.
Speaker 2: Like I can look at a car. The biggest problem
a lot of people have is they can't envision what it could be. But then sometimes people can and the
dollar amount they don't understand the dollar amount what it is.
And you know, I get people ask me all the time, what do you think is the true you know value of this? So what's a true value of that? And
I go have you done this before? And a lot
of times the answers like no, this is gonna be like my first one. I'm like, okay, well let's sit down,
let's really talk about it. Because I don't think you've
thought through everything. Like I told you, guys, when you
buy a used car, you know you're getting ready to put about two thousand dollars into that car just to make it road worthy. It's different when you're buying a
project car, that's a muscle car that you want to build.
The numbers are way outside that box. But a lot
of things is going to be pre vamped. Yeah. Absolutely,
And it's like and you really have to kind of know.
And if you don't know, you really should be taking somebody with you that does know.
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Now back to your host, Dave Polach.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back, all right, So we're going to continue into this because I like when I get a lot of heydays where people send me stuff and they ask me questions. I get a lot of stuff. Sometimes
I feel that it isn't relevant, and I'm not gonna say it's not relevant. I think it doesn't make good
table conversation for the show. So a lot of times
we don't discuss it. But this stuff it made sense
and it goes right along with what we were talking about. Right,
So we're talking about buying in the last sec then to talk about you know, you buy project car. You're
looking for a car, and I don't think people really think about what it takes to get to get into it, right.
So for instance, I use the Nova, the new Nova we just got. It's not new sixty nine, but still
it's new to us as an example.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So I watched that car for a while.
Speaker 2: As I think I told you guys, we even had some discussions about before I even bought it, that I was kind of scoping out a car online.
Speaker 3: I had been watching it.
Speaker 2: I didn't really tell you the reason why I didn't really get into it. I didn't wantybody to snake the car
for me to be honest with you, right, if I'd have said what it was that you easily could have went on a marketplace and found it, probably yourself. And
so I didn't want that to happen. And we end
up getting it, you know, for a good deal. But
you had to know what the car was, right. So
this it varies in certain states and stuff like that, but for a really clean sixty nine ss Nova, we looked at either they're fifty five sixty grand, right, We're not close to that on this car, but we could easily be.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So the first conversation I want to have is, so you guys know, we bought it and it's in primary and need to be painted, and everybody's like, oh, you know, I just throw a paint job on it and it's good to go.
Speaker 3: And I always go time out.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, just throw a paint job on it and it's good to go, because I get a lot of friends who go and they see these cars.
And what happens is is they see a car, they send me a picture of the car from online. They're like, Hey,
I saw this online. I'm thinking about buying it. What
do you think and of course I always go through everything and I read and then I give them a list of questions to ask the seller.
Speaker 3: Marketplace is the worst place to do that. I hate it.
Speaker 2: I really despise. I shouldn't say, hey, I despise the
new way of purchasing cars online. I miss the green
sheet days where you can find it. Then you go
take a look at the car and you put your hand on it, and you have discussions with people actually know what they're selling. Nowadays, you talk with people on Marketplace,
they don't want to answer questions for you.
Speaker 3: They just want your money, and they can't tell you anything about the car. They don't want to tell you,
or the don't want to tell.
Speaker 2: You anything about the car. You're right, which just annoys me
to death because I'm a real buyer. I'm not trying
to kick tires. I usually start my conversations just the
way you understand. I'm not kicking tires. I have legitimate questions.
If you can answer about the car, I appreciate it, and that's you. I start really nice with it. Do
I get irritated at some point when I feel like somebody's yank in my chain at something mentionest especially when I'm trying to buy it states away. And now keep
in mind, guys, a lot of times when I'm trying to buy a car states away, I'm usually looking in states where I know somebody, so I can have somebody go put an eye on.
Speaker 3: The car for me. It makes real right.
Speaker 2: They can go down well not even so much that, but they confhysically go put their hand on it. Could
put me on FaceTime, walk me around the car, and I can kind of get an idea.
Speaker 3: They can crawlerneath the.
Speaker 2: Car with the camera and I can take a look and see certain things I want to take a look at in certain cars. Does that always work out? No,
I've looked at a couple I think I told you guys years ago we tried to buy I'd say a promotional vehicle is really probably what it was, if you guys remember, I think it was a fifty three sew the coup that somebody had put up on a four wheel drive platform. It was really cool. It's something completely different.
I don't know why I wanted it. I just thought
it'd be neat to have out of the car shows I did. I wanted it. It was It had a
flamed American flag paint job on the front of the vehicle.
I wanted to do it. I was gonna have somebody
to go in and do some real flame kind of work to it, but make it look really cool.
Speaker 3: We just couldn't come together with the price.
Speaker 2: I think. I told you guys the story. The guy
kept out saying, well, you don't understand the car is one of a kind. And I was like, that doesn't
make it worth tons of money, Like, and it's only one of a kind of year, right, it's one.
Speaker 3: Of a kind you so, you know.
Speaker 2: I use the analogy with the guy the best I could, and I was like, look, I can buy the exact same car, not jacked up by the way.
Speaker 3: I was like, I could buy the exact same car, and I could.
Speaker 2: I found a pretty decent one that was in really nice shape for about forty five hundred dollars and I was like, okay, and then I can buy the Chevy truck frame that it's on, and I can merge the two together and I'll be into it for less than he was asking, you know. And he's like, well, all
the labor's done for you. I'm like, okay, even if
I put labor in there. We still weren't close to
the price of what he wanted on it.
Speaker 5: Well, and I never understand like when they're like, well and then you just go do that then and you're like, well, I can't.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm trying to help you out.
Speaker 5: Because there's only so many of it here, right, There's only so many buyers as we're looking for something like that.
Speaker 2: It sat out there for six months, you know, literally, I had many conversations with the guy that sat out there for six months.
Speaker 3: We went back and forth.
Speaker 2: We just couldn't come together on a number, and I was like, Okay, First of all, the vehicle needed work.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you could just hop in this thing and drive it. So it needed work.
Speaker 2: So, you know, for me, I had to configure a it's states away. I did know somebody in the state
that could go put an eye on the vehicle for me, But I wasn't too worried about that vehicle because it was what it was.
Speaker 3: Kind of vehicle like, it really didn't matter who put an eye on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I had somebody go out and take a look at it for me, the photos were good enough.
Speaker 3: Royll.
Speaker 2: It's still a fifty three Chevy car on a truck frame.
I mean, there's gonna be a lot of imperfections on this vehicle, right, I mean, like I just know it so, but it had to make sense for me to buy it, get it shipped back here to us, and then how much money was I going to put into it to make it a good display for us to take out and make it a conversation piece out of the car shows.
And that's what it was. And I was really excited.
Can't tell you I was excited about doing it. I
just thought it was something different. But he talked about
it all the time. I did. But well, it had
a set of jacked up wheels on it, and I know those were the wrong wheels for the vehicle. So
I'm the first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna throw those away. I was like, we're just gonna put
another set of different wheels on it. Gives it a
more aggressive look. Like I said that, I wanted to
update the paint job and stuff, but I know what those things cost. Like I knew, right, anyery pay for
on that, right, I'm into it for ten grand and paint.
Speaker 3: I just knew it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, just for the bare minimum, just to make it look cool. And we're not talking like a
concourse paying job on this thing or anything like that.
We're just talking money. Ten It's a pretty good pain
job though, but it's not paid thirty grand for paying jobs.
I know.
Speaker 3: I have friends that paid fifty thousand dollars for paint jobs.
Speaker 2: So you know, ten grand isn't really a lot of money in retrospect. And then the car had it hadn't tier,
but it really didn't have let's just say it didn't really haven't here. It hadn't here, but well was to work.
It had Cadillac Escalade seats in it. Let's just put
that with their bold down. They're pooked up and the
power work in them and stuff. And I was like,
we came with the truck frame, right, Yeah. I think
it's because I'm like, this is cheesy. I'm like, we're
just going to throw these away. I mean, because it
just doesn't make any sense. It's just weird, you know,
So you start looking all that stuff. So, like I said,
when I get into conversations with my friends about it and they start sending pictures, I'm like, Okay, what are your plans.
Speaker 3: What do you plan on doing with this vehicle?
Speaker 2: And they start like, well, I'm mns just throw some pain at it, you know, maybe you know, spiffy up the interior. I'm like, okay, I need a lot of
good pictures of the car if I can't see the car.
Because a lot of times my friends are other states orler listeners in the other states. I get listeners send
me too and like, hey, what do you think about it?
It's harder to help a listener because I don't have that personal relationship with you guys on certain A lot of the listeners I do, but a lot of listeners are listening for other states. You know, I haven't met.
They're just people who have been long listeners of the show and they asked me my opinion. I'm trying to
give them the best advice, but it's really hard. I
hate giving advice when they send me something like that because I can't see the car, I can't put my hand on the cart. You're showing me pictures and I'm
trying to do the best I can off of pictures.
Speaker 3: I can always pack five right.
Speaker 2: And it came back and I don't want to be the guy that well, you told me it was gonna be a good deal, you know I mean, I'm like, you're the car radio show. Oh it's what are you
talking about? You know what I mean? So I try
to do the best I can, and I try to steer away from some of those conversations. I'm like, well,
you really need to go put your hand on take a look at it. It's your purchase. Here's what I think.
But once again I asked the same question, what do you plan on doing with the vehicle? And like I said,
I'm gonna throw some pain on it. I'm gonna spify
up the tears. So like I'm okay, mechanically wise, let's
just be honest. If you buy it, most likely it's
gonna need two four thousand dollars a mechanical let's just we know that. So that's four grand right there. Now
you talk about throwing pain on it. What kind of
pain job be trying to put on this car? And
they're like, oh, I'm just gonna throw a pain on it, throw a paint job on it. To me means ten grand.
I'm gonna throw a paint.
Speaker 3: Job on it.
Speaker 5: You can get a crappy paint job for five to six it's the best, because that's what you mean by throwing it on. I mean, I know you say ten
because you're thinking of, you know, a decent paint job, one you can take to the show, and that.
Speaker 2: You could take it to make well.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I know people that have bought Bustle cars. Is not
the best into it for like forty five hundred bucks in it gets a job done. Get I mean it
is probably a twenty footer car. And I'm not saying like, look,
people don't. They've had a lot good experiences with them.
Maybe you have. I don't know. We had Nathaniel's car
painted at one, but I knew the guy, so it was little maybe a little bit different. And then we
had problems too. The problems that I knew the guy,
he went and fixed the problems. But the initial come
out of the booth I was like, we got problems, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So, and it wasn't more of the paint style of itself.
It was just more imperfections of just the job not getting done completely, with things just being hidden, not taking apart correctly.
Speaker 3: I'm just doing it to do a quick job.
Speaker 5: They did, but it took us to say something right on which you know you don't want to have that problem it is.
Speaker 2: So that's why I say when you say to me, when you say, throw a paint job on it, I'm thinking ten grand for you to have something that you can go yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, this looks decent. Okay, right now, your hands off.
Speaker 2: Now you're fourteen thousand dollars into a car you just bought, You paid twenty grand for it. You're fourteen grand into it.
All you've done is mechanically tried to bring it up to park, throwing a pain job on it. You haven't
touched anything in the interior, you haven't put new tires on it. Maybe it ain't the wheels you want. I mean, okay, wheels,
four wheels and tires you know here before.
Speaker 5: Granted, sometimes it's just better to buy it than build it, right.
So that'specially for older cars that are kind of already been down the road and the work's already been done for you.
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I jump into these conversations with people. I'm like, Okay, the car is twenty grand.
Speaker 3: You're it's a steal. Bottom line, it's steel.
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, but you have probably another twenty grand, you gotta throw at that car. So now it's forty
thousand dollars cars, and what can you get for forty grand?
I'm like, for forty thousand dollars, what can you get?
Can you get exactly what you're looking at?
Speaker 3: But further down the line, it's got a lot less it needs.
Speaker 2: It's still gonna need stuff though, just so you know, still gonna need things even at forty grand.
Speaker 3: I bought fifty thousand dollars cars that need it stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know the project cars right, right, But like you said, you could you know, for fifty grand, you could buy probably something brand new, right. It kind
of has the same power and options that you're looking for.
Speaker 3: What people are looking to buy a project car, they're looking at muscle cars. It's something old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm just saying, like the aspect of the money isn't there.
Speaker 5: For right, That's what I'm saying, Like, for fifty grand, you can kind of buy a brand new muscle car that fits all your.
Speaker 3: If that's what you want.
Speaker 2: But if you're looking to say, you're looking to buy a sixty nine road Runner, right, And I say that because it seems like a lot of them are popping up lately, and the price points on them are not as bad as I thought they would be. But then
I look at him like, okay, forty grand. I don't
care what should be paid twenty grand for the car.
It needs forty thousand dollars worth of work for it to be, which in your head you've dreamt for it to be. Now people go, well, I can do my
own paint. Okay, cool, you can do your own paint.
There's still supplies. So you're a painting body guy. But
the chance is that you're a painting body guy, that you're an engine guy, that you're a rear end guy, that you're a transmission guy, that you're a poulsry guy, all in one out of your own garage is slim to none. It's just, let's be honest, you're paying out
for something somewhere and someone I know. I'm just waiting
for you all gonna say much.
Speaker 3: I could do it all you.
Speaker 5: It takes good time, it takes money, and it takes skill and a lot of mess ups it does.
Speaker 2: So I guess what it comes down to is reality, right, the reality of what does it take where I want to go with this? And a lot of times I
have the conversation and people don't really know where they want to go. They have this envision in their head,
but the dollars they've never added them up. If you
guys ever find yourself in that position, you know what I'm talking about. But right the second, I can't take
another course of break. When it come back, we'll jump
some more into this. I'm kind of running through a
couple of things that I found dealing with one of our latest projects. Hold tight up right back.
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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 2: So if you've been listening to the last two segments, we've kind of been talking about and covering over some of the questions that have been given to us about buy it's because it's it's hard to say, it's because it's the season, right, So it's project car season. People a
lot of people are buying them, and people are looking to buy them or already purchased them and realize they're way over their head because that happens a lot.
Speaker 3: So we kind of are going over some of the things as.
Speaker 2: Far as when you look at those project cars and how that kind of works out and the money side of things, and a Daniel and I were talking about during commercial break. He's like, you know, we've we kind
of died into some of this a little bit here, but I think we've really fully died into it. Really.
I mean, yes, when I say throw a ten thousand dollars paying job on it, that's what I mean. Now,
you might be okay with a if you can find somebody five thousand dollars paying job. You know, if you
can find somebody to do with for five grand and you're happy with what you get for five grand, by all means, I mean less is more just maybe I don't know not maybe in this case that term doesn't Maybe less is less, but I don't know. So. But
one of the other questions somebody had sent overder to me was asking about like the upholstery side of things, And this is a harder question to add. So if
you buy a car and the paint's good and it runs, first of all, I'm always going to tell you that, unless you really want to be like deep into a project, make sure the car at least runs. I can't county
people buy projects in the car it sits for ten years in a garage because it didn't run when they got it, and by the time they finally got around and get it up and run, and like that seems like time is just gone by. We're victims of it,
I can tell you right now with the trans am.
And that's not because I mean, this is a great motor sitting right in front of the car. There's a
great transmission.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 2: A lot of it has to do with just parts more than anything else that we guys talked about. I'm
not getting into all that. So when it comes to
finding the project, just no. Let's like say, if it
has pain on it and it runs, but you know you got to do some upholstery. Okay, Well, if you've
never done it before, or maybe you have, you've had to dive really deep into doing it. A polsterry, I mean,
can get expensive. I can tell you right now. If
you buy a full polstery kit for most cars right this second, when I mean full postery, usually it comes with the packet shelf, both seat covers, a carpet kit, a headliner, and some of the plastic pieces and stuff are going inside of it.
Speaker 3: Usually door cards usually come with it.
Speaker 2: You're about twenty eight hundred dollars if you buy a decent one, and all you got was a bunch of boxes full of parts. Parts aren't in there yet, And
people go, I'm I put them in myself. Maybe you are.
Let me just tell you, if you've never put a carpet kit in before, it sucks. It sucks. It really does.
Speaker 3: I don't wan any other way to put it.
Speaker 2: You really should have a steamer and know how that works and kind of have an idea how that plays out, and get that carpet kit. Because here's the thing, is
thrown in a box, and it comes in a box, it's got all kinds of wrinkles in, it doesn't fit the way you think it's going to and then now you got to steam it, and there is some work goes to it. I've done three or four. I'm still
not an expert at it by any means. Now I've
gotten better over the years from the fraimen. The very
first one I put in nineteen seventy seven, cutlets supreme, and it looked like trash. It didn't matter what I tried,
but I didn't have a steamer or anything.
Speaker 3: Did you clean the bottom of it?
Speaker 2: I cleaned everything out. I vacuum it all out, I
went ahead and put I put some juke down. Back
then I think you still get jute and now it's built on the backside of the car. But I put
the jew down and then I sprayed it again to the HEAs of and I kept on putting out. But
it seems like I couldn't get all the wrinkles out of it. Didn't matter what I did, I couldn't get
the wrinkles all out of it. I mean, I'm pulling,
you know, and you're letting it get tacky, so it sticks right, and you keep on pushing your hand over and you're trying to pull it, and you're pulling it back up and trying to pull the wrinkles out of it.
Speaker 3: It looked okay, but I know with it be in my car.
Speaker 2: For the first one I did, I was was like it was a forty footer.
Speaker 3: It was probably like a ten footer.
Speaker 2: But still, I mean I knew. The second one I did,
I changed some things up, and that vehicle I did door cards too, So the door cards were bad. I
in my early restoration years, I didn't realize you can go out and it probably is a lot easier now that was back then.
Speaker 3: But you trying to find like a full upholstered door card that just put on just I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't have the access to that as young man, and maybe, like I said, there was probably a place you could have went and found in whatever, but I didn't know where to even start. So I'm like, Okay,
I got the cardboard door card basically, and I think it's actually chipboard, but you know what I'm talking about.
I pulled all the material off, I bought material, and I remade remterial with myself. I sprayed it, got it
tack he stuck it, pulled it, cut all my holes, did it all and it came out good for the door cards once again. When I got to the carpet,
I would say I was probably twenty percent better on this carpet than I was in the first one I tried.
So it looked pretty decent, but I knew where to find the problems at you know what I mean, Like, I think one of the things I remember is I cut a hole for one of the bolts to come through, or put one of the bolts through, and it wasn't exactly, so then I had to cut a little bit and I was like, oh, thank goodness underneath the seat. So
there's all those little issues, and it was it was trial and nearess. So nowadays there's a lot more that
goes to it. But I can tell you the last
carpet kit that I put in once again, it's folded up.
It comes in a box. I laid it, I think,
out in the garage and I let it sit there for like two weeks with it out, and I hit it with the steamer and I let it sit for like another couple days after I hit it with the steamer trying to get all the wrinkles to fall out of it. And it went very well, and I was
pleased with the outcome. But that was trial and error
in the years of doing it. So if it's your
first time doing something like that, you guys got to think about that. Like I said, at the same point time,
you got like twenty eight hundred dollars invested and all you got is a bunch of material.
Speaker 3: And if you don't plan on putting it in yourself, and you know, when I mess the material up, you either right.
Speaker 2: You know what I mess it up realistically for it to be done and done right, and people, I know, once again somebody's gonna go, wh I know a guy that can do it. Know that you're probably going to
be into it for the minimum three thousand dollars to have somebody put that all into in place for you into it right, steaming everything in, putting the headliner and steaming the headliner or all the different things that go along with it. So now you're almost seven thousand dollars
intur redoing the interior in a car that in your mind you're like, I'm just gonna throw some material. It
will be good to go, just like throwing some pain on it, especially if you want to like custom stitching right apps. So like I said, this is just buying
one hundred percent, just buying it offline and everything's there and now it's just got to be put All the sea covers gotta be put back on the seat frames and all that kind of stuff. If you've never done it,
it could be done if you know how to, you know, use hard videos and all kinds of stuff. You can
go on YouTube. I mean a lot of you all
have a YouTube patch right here, So that's you're certified.
Speaker 5: I did my headliner and it looked really good. You're right,
you did it, but it took time and prep.
Speaker 3: That's right. So what did I tell you when you
told me you were going to do it?
Speaker 4: Wait, but I was to take his headliner at two am in the morning, because for some every car got know, for some reason, Nathaniel I said, every big upgrade to his Honda Civic at two Do you remember when this man pulled off the whole front of the car.
Speaker 2: And called me. It was in the morning, my time
in Vegas. I was in Vegas. Uh, I think I
was out there actually on business. Something had something throw
and he called me, and it's like two o'clock. He no,
He turns his camera phone around. He's like, so, just
how much you think it's going to take to put all this back to I was like, because last time I saw the car, it was running and driving when I left for Vegas, and now it was in a million pieces.
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, you're into it.
Speaker 2: Turn back convert you can't.
Speaker 5: Flinders were off, yeah, drill into the front support beam and all that, and me look great after it was all done.
Speaker 3: But it takes time and a little bit of money.
Speaker 5: At seven am and some sally right, because you know you can't go back.
Speaker 3: Once there is done, there's no going back.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, when it comes to that, just know that when you're looking at these project cars. If
you're not an interior guy, and you don't plan on being an interior guy, okay, budget for that. If you're
not the painting body guy because you don't plan on doing it, but the car has interior in it, just know that you're got to pay somebody to do that.
If you're not an engine guy, okay, just budget, budget for all that kind of stuff. The biggest thing that
you run into is a lot of these cars. So
I see tons of them project cars when look up transmissions out of it. If I literally, in the last
like two months, have seeing six decent project cars, I wouldn't mind owning. One of the things was transmission was bad,
and I'm like, well I got that covered.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean. So it's not a
big deal to me. But like I said, I know
my weakness is I don't paint. Like I've painted one
car in my life. Really it came out okay, but
I probably wouldn't do it again. I'd let somebody do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't trying. Especially we have a lot
better tech now that kind of helps you.
Speaker 2: Would you do it on something you care about? Would
you try it on something that you didn't really care how it turned out?
Speaker 3: Probably the first one. First, it was my first time.
I probably.
Speaker 5: I mean some people, you know, some people will write for it. Well, yeah, some people go right for it.
But or some people will get like a test part, like a door from the junk yard and just test paint the door until they can get a good flow before going onto the product.
Speaker 4: Will see AI like AI paint booths come out where you'll be able to just oh, we change.
Speaker 3: My car color today, and it changed.
Speaker 2: So somebody sent me a video of it.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Could take a look at it, and it is it's a it's the standard, it's everything. They stand it, they primer.
It's all done by computers. And I'm like, oh, that's
a game changer.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because it takes so many labor hours to pay it did.
Speaker 2: And that, and you know, and then I start thinking about like in the next six seven years, I could see like body shots being set up where it's just the computers.
Speaker 3: I could see that a lot of the time it's just waiting.
Speaker 2: No, it is, it is. It takes a way to things.
But like I said, just know that if there's something withinside the project that you're looking to buy, and like I said, it comes up because a lot of people keep on asking these questions or sending me pictures of cars or what do you think of this? What do
you think of that?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, just.
Speaker 2: No, there's a lot that goes into it. Just because
it seems neat doesn't always mean Guys, most of the guys listen to the show, and women listen to the show.
You guys know, but there I've got a lot of people listen to show that haven't ever tried that yet.
There is a whole lot of throwing stuff across the garage.
I mean it just it happens.
Speaker 3: I will tell you.
Speaker 5: You will run into problems that you didn't even think that was gonna be a problem, right even with new parts, old parts, just trying to put things together never match.
Just yeah, you're always going to run into something. So
you always gotta, you know, plan for the unexpected.
Speaker 2: Like right now I'm dreading so I got a bunch of chrome that needs to be restored, to be put back on both these cars.
Speaker 3: Now, okay, and I think I have enough knowledge.
Speaker 2: I know I own enough equipment to probably buff the chrome and make it look good.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I'm I'm literally going to looking at it.
Speaker 2: Going I think I'm just gonna send this out to somebody and let somebody who does this for a living do it all so I know it's one hundred percent and it looks good. Do I think I could do it?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 2: I think somebody could do it a lot faster, has a lot more knowledge than I do. Absolutely, And I'm like, Okay,
what's worth the time and the money. I'm like, I
think I'd rather just send this stuff out. Let somebody
bring it back to brand new again before it goes back on the.
Speaker 5: Car, especially if you look, if you have to pay for all those materials and it doesn't come out the way that you want to look, and now you're doing the same thing over again.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, guys, I hope this answers some of the questions on that stuff. Like I said, if
you don't know, ask you can always ask us. I'll
tell you if I think you should jump into it.
If not, find somebody who does know they can give you, guys the answer buy the Project cars. I'm not saying
don't please by all means put more cars back on the street. I'm all for it. I'd love to see
what you guys come up with. I love the pictures
you guys sent me. I think it's awesome and some
stuff I see. But just know what you're getting into
because it is costly and mistakes are very expensive.
Speaker 3: And I know, guys, I got to.
Speaker 2: Take another commercial break. When we come back, I got
one last segment for you. We're going to talk about
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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back. So let's shift gears just a
little bit. There was a story that got sent to
me that was interesting because I've never been there in this particular instance of having this happen, but similar, and what I'm talking about is so gasoline right, Uh, we've talked in the past, Cameron had it happened to him where you put gas in your car, had water in the tanks and then the gas station plays.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, you know what I mean, Well, I have no idea how that happened.
Speaker 2: So the story that got sent to me was a little different but very similar where they got the tanks mixed up and it's diesel gasoline in with the gasoline and vice versa. I guess. But anyway, cars that should
have gas and end up having diesel in it because they pumped gasoline from the pump and it was diesel in the in the gasolene tank.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they didn't get very far.
Speaker 4: They pulled up and just to get enough distance for the next car behind them to her.
Speaker 2: Now I know what it's like to pump gasoline and get a tank full of water because there's something wrong with the tank, like I said. And then of course
the gas station plays you know, coy and they I have no clue whatever. And in fact, Cameron and I
were just talking about where his last one actually apparently went to court. His insurance company ended up suing that
gas station and winning a court case against him because it's all a matter of public records, and he did his dutilisy just looked up to see what happens. So
I found that interesting. But it comes right down to it,
so like who's responsible at that point time? Like it's
the problem with it is for me? Is you guys
know I've said this a thousand times. I have irritations
with it when it comes to insurance, right and the reason why, Sure, I got car insurance and this happens to me and maybe car insurance, but at some point I got to come out of my pocket with money up front so I can solve my problem for something that isn't my problem.
Speaker 3: If you have a deductible, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2: If you have a deductible.
Speaker 4: Also, you're only covered if that happens if you have comprehensive and you know so, I mean, because that covers you for mother nature, right, you know, and that's what it fallows under. But what if it happens if you
don't have it?
Speaker 2: Then what the issue with it is? With insurance is
the reason why I'm always irritated by it is because I still have to come out of my pocket with money a lot of times regards I got insurance, and you think you've got great insurances. Somehow somewhere money comes
out of my pocket for something that I didn't do wrong.
It wasn't me. I didn't hit myself, you know what
I mean, Like, I didn't I didn't make the mix up with the gasoline whatever it may be. You know,
I didn't put water on my own tank, all the different things that happen. Everybody's like, well, that's what you
got car insurance from, like it is, but why am I still coming out of my pocket with money? So
I started kind of looking at them like Okay, so who's responsible when something like this happens. And still the
answer came to, well, you got insurance, and they're going to go after the you know this company. And then
in this particular instance, it looks like that, uh, the company involved is going to go ahead and they say they're going to reimburse people for their out of pocket expense.
Speaker 3: But then you had to prove it, so then there's like the whole I.
Speaker 5: Always hate the term without insurance because it's kind of like insurance only does so much for people, especially when you pay for it, and then you have to argue your case.
Speaker 2: I hate having to argue my case.
Speaker 3: I be taking care of so guys.
Speaker 4: Got to remember I when I went and put the and I had he was just telling you I had the one that was I put gasoline in and it had water. I made it away from the gas pump
and I made it onto the inner ste but you can still see the.
Speaker 3: Gas station from where you wrote down right when I hit the on ramp.
Speaker 4: But then they made me prove did you go get gas?
What time did you go get gas? And the only
thing that.
Speaker 3: Seems I'm guilty until I prove myself.
Speaker 4: To me was my credit card because I saw something told me to use my card that day instead of pain and cash. Yes, and then I was able to
prove Look, I just left this station and got onto the highway because they were trying to fight me of well, sir, you could have done anything.
Speaker 3: When you got away from the gas I remember you.
Speaker 2: Can see the gas station from where he was like, I'm looking back at the gas station and.
Speaker 1: It was raining.
Speaker 2: So that's what irritated me even more was it was.
Speaker 3: Pouring down rain.
Speaker 4: Now I'm having to get out of my car into the wet weather and also have to call somebody.
Speaker 3: So you get to that point it's like, okay, so who's really responsible?
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, you are. I mean,
even though you have insurance, you're the ones stuck having to find a toade truck. You're the one waiting on
tow truck. You're the one. If you had any plans
in any place you have to be, you're now not going to be there. It all falls on you. And
what's that worth? Like, as far as I'm concerned, if
you interrupt my day, if you mess my plans, anything that has value, I could have been at ten thousand dollars day, y'all.
Speaker 3: It's just value and they don't they don't value any of that.
Speaker 2: They're like, Okay, I sit on the road side of the road for two hours to tow truck came and got me.
Speaker 3: Then I had to get a tow truck, had my car towed.
Speaker 2: I went to our paarashop for wait to have them tell me what I as a car guy, I already know.
Speaker 3: And then I caught my insurance company.
Speaker 2: So there's hours of dealing with that and then they tell me, well, yeah, we probably get taken care of, but you got a ductable and you gotta pay X abound of dollars. Like, who's going to compensate me for
all that time? I want to be complissent. Maybe I'm wrong,
but I want to be composated.
Speaker 4: For they also want to do They also want to do the minimum. So it's like, you know, when I
went through my car, it was well, we can get your car up and running with just putting a brand, your fuel, yeah, and everything. And it was like, yeah,
you're absolutely right, you'll get that car running. But what
other d midge did it do that I'm not going to see until after you hand me.
Speaker 3: My car and tell you so.
Speaker 2: Now I will tell you guys, when I was in the car business, you know, doing things, and I got a car that came in and it had a fueling issue where there was water in the fuel. I had
people put the wrong many times. I had somebody put
diesel in the gasoline car at the throne. It didn't
have by accident, it was by accent, but they did it to themselves. At that point in time, I didn't
if it was even if it wasn't insurance. A lot
of times there's insurance related. I didn't mess around if
I couldn't do it the right way. I didn't touch
the car. If you didn't let me go through and
flush all the lines, you didn't let me take the injectors out, I didn't get to put new plugs in it.
I didn't get to do all that kind of stuff.
I wouldn't touch the car. I'm like, you know it's
going to come back. I know it's coming. And if
it doesn't come back later, on any point in time, something happens that car, I'm now on the hook. It's
so somehow going to be my fault. And I'm like,
if you don't let me go through do everything that I want to do. I'm not interested in touching the car,
and I'm not trying to be difficult. I just from
experience know that I need to do everything. Nobody's like, oh,
you're just trying to do that because you're doing with the insurance coming. First of all, Well, if you're an
auto garage and a lot of you guys listening to show or in the audible business or own your own garages and stuff, you guys know dealing with insurance companies the worst because they want to pay the bare minimum.
Speaker 3: That's just all they want to pay.
Speaker 5: I've never understand how that can be acceptable when they make you pay a certain payment, when they fight you every step of the way. Well, at that point, what
is the point of having insurance?
Speaker 2: Well, just so I've argued about this before, because I had an instance a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: I think I told you guys about it.
Speaker 2: We'd never got covered on the air stuff where we had we have good insurance.
Speaker 3: I don't have junk insurance. I have top coverage on it.
They're all junk at some point.
Speaker 2: But you think you have good you know when you have the top coverage you're not at the can I have fifty thousand, this, fifty thousand that when you're like, I have three hundred thousand. Oh yeah, by the way,
let me just go ahead and do an umbrella policy so I know I'm covered on everything. That's why I
talk about having good insurance. And then you're still fighting.
I had basically arbitrate for myself. I was and I
had to use that terminology. When they kept and say well,
this is all we're gonna do, this is all we're gonna do. I'm like, okay, well here's the thing. I
didn't hire a lawyer yet, but I'm going to now right, and we're gonna go ahead and go to arbitration because you're not making me whole. And then the conversation kind
of switched gears. What is it exactly you were looking for?
I'm like, I'm looking at me made whole. You want
me to hold some of the burden responsibility when I paid you all this money for insurance to not have the burden, right, not to have the burden, but you want me now to hold some of the burden.
Speaker 3: And I've been inconvenienced and all these different things.
Speaker 2: That happened and I could go through the slew of things that went in on that story, but we don't have that much time, so it's just all different things.
So I laid it out for them. I was just like, look,
here's what I want. I want to be made whole
on the side of the car. You're going to pay
me X amount of dollars for the car because they're trying to give me like half of what the car was worth.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a problem too, right.
Speaker 5: It's like you when you got it, when they had to buy the car back from you, right, and they want to give you half of what the value is, and you're like, why can't even get into the same car the same.
Speaker 2: I was on that particular And since that was exactly where it was for me, I was like, look, you show me where you can buy this car for that amount of money. I can't get another one of the
cars on top of that, not that I know that's been taken care of with that amount of miles, because I know what I do to my car is I.
Speaker 3: Take care of them from day one, from day one, right.
Speaker 2: So and he was like okay, well then then when we finally get like, well, I don't understand exactly what you want. I'm like, look, I want to be paid
for my inconvenience. You're gonna pay me the value of
the car. You're gonna pay me for the not having
access to my car, for the rental of another vehicle until I'm able to have another car, and then you're gonna pay me for all the inconvenience of the miss time of things where I need to be, because that makes me whole. The whole point of insurance is to
make a whole, is make me whole. And he was like, well,
I don't understand. I'm like, look, it's real simple.
Speaker 3: You're paying out.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're either gonna pay me or you're gonna pay somebody. It's gonna be attorney with me something.
I'm gonna make it difficult for you. At the end
of the day, it worked out for me. I'm not
gonna say it always works out for you, But.
Speaker 5: Don't fold like well, and I feel like that's what they expect you to do. They're gonna give you, they're
gonna a little value, and they expect you to just take the number for what it is.
Speaker 3: And I laid it out.
Speaker 2: I laid out dollar amounts, I was like, I want five thousand for this, seven thousand for this. I need
fifteen thousand dollars to go towards this. And he was
like he was adding up. He's like, you just seem
to be asking for I said about I'm not, well, I'm just asking to make me whole, that's all. Mass.
Speaker 5: Well, you remember when we when the CIDIC got crashed and we had to ensure come out, and he had a price everything and he rolled on and I was like, well, you know this park costs this much. I mean, just
to get everything back that you already remember.
Speaker 2: The first thing I said, I said, how about I said, hold on, I said, first of all, you show me where you can get this car painted this color. For
the evaluation you get me, I think it gave me like fifteen hundred dollars credit towards a paint job. It
was like a basic civic right, And I was like, I was like, it has a custom paint job in the car. I was like five grand that was through
somebody I know to have this car painted that color.
I'm like fifteen hundred dollars. The whole car had to
be painted again. It's a custom color, like no one's
painting a custom color back on a car for fifteen hundred dollars. It's not happening. Not in any world was
it happening. So it's just you really got to fight
for what you want you do. But my problem with
it is it gets down to like this situation that the story that got sent to me all the way back to it on the gas The fact that you have insurance and at the point of the day you did nothing wrong and then you had to fight to have somebody make you whole again is the aggravation. So
to answer your question, guys, for the question you sent me, we went a big circle all the way back around to it. Who's responsible at the end of the day,
it's going to be you, not only for the money side of things, to get yourself where you need, but to hold the line and hold somebody responsible and make sure that they're doing right by you, because no one's going to give you anything for free. If you give
them a little bit of they're going to take a lot.
It's like anything in life. So hope I clear that up. Guys,
if you haven't seen the story, go check it out.
You know I didn't name the gas station but you'll find it pretty quickly. The story about it, there's a
whole article on it. You'll enjoy it. I enjoyed reading
about it. I feel bad for the people because, like
I said, I've been there year. On that note, that's
the end of our show. It's Saturday, guys. Sunday is
right around the corner. I tell you guys all the time.
Make sure you unplug, spend some time with your kids, hide their cell phones, barbecue, playboard games with them.
Speaker 3: They'll love you for it.
Speaker 2: In the end.
Speaker 3: It's biggest reason why I had the best relationship with my kids.
Speaker 2: So you guys got anything before we get out of here.
Enjoying a week good one.
Speaker 3: Alright, guys, we'll talk to you soon. Look out for
car season.
Speaker 2: It's coming.
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