SSC Tuatara Review; No More Regs; Merc EVs

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All right, guys, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I have gone to Washington to review the SSC Twattara. Plus, my Myers-Manks has done. Mercedes has stopped selling EVs in California. And SEMA, the entire aftermarket and all the manufacturers are basically jumping for joy because America has decided that we aren't going to have fuel economy standards anymore.

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I have been thinking about death and loneliness, like a little too much, a little too much. For someone who isn't likely to die and isn't particularly lonely, I've been having thoughts. And I think it's triggered by stuff.

It's triggered by seeing some fucking abandoned dog on Instagram or something. Oh, one of those you're out for them. Okay.

Well, because if you like, when they, like, when you get a, when you watch like pet videos, you get fed all the pet videos. And many of them are cute. And some of them have like happy endings, like they find a dog that's like about to die and save it.

But still, I'm spending too much time thinking about the person that left the dog to die. You know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

And it's like, that's just mixed in with my pet enthusiasm general. And it's, it's been affecting me. It has been affecting me.

My friend says that's because I'm becoming more emotionally mature and I should be happy that I'm being affected by that.

And I'm like, yeah, but like, it sucks.

Is that what that means? Oh, good. I'm emotionally maturing. I'm just, that's just mixed beats. I'm sad all the time now like more. Yeah, I don't know.

He's like, you know, you know, you need to learn to really appreciate things like that. It's like, you know, we've been doing therapy for like almost like 20 years.

Like you've actually finally fed back. This is a call of breaks. Something that we've done is actually sunk in. Yeah.

It's like the sign felt thing when he's like, what is this salty discharge when he's feeling emotions?

Oh, I went to a concert last week and I like started to well up during it and I was like, what is happening? Yeah, yeah.

So I was just and it was fantastic performance. Yeah. What is this salty discharge?

I think it's fucking lefty queer. Yeah.

Speaking of which, speaking of which, this one's funny. Was this like, I think it was just before we went to Texas and talked about this.

Before we went to Texas, Zach joked about a study that was done.

The Kato Institute. The Kato Institute, which can be viewed at freedom in the 50 states.org.

And Texas at Zach had joked that Texas was, I believe, dead last 50 out of 50 in personal freedom.

Personal freedom. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, a couple of angry people suggested that we go check our lib selves.

And that California was 48 out of 50 in the same freedom study.

And I was like, well, that's odd. Is that right? So that we just went back and looked.

And it's in, you have to, I'm not saying that we read the chart wrong or that this person read the chart wrong.

And I don't remember the exact wording that you used the time, but I'm pretty sure you did say personal freedom.

I think I did and this person who commented is correct.

I had highlighted personal freedom because I was looking at things like, you know, marijuana,

like things that they've been banning recently in Texas. And I was like, oh, let's look at the personal

freedoms, but went to be fair to the commenter when you go to the economic freedom.

Then California is 48 and Texas is six.

But if you look at the economic freedom, if you just stay on that chart, basically,

they were saying, but look at this other completely different chart where California is at the bottom.

Like you were looking at one chart and they were saying, well, you're, you're selectively because,

because California, you said Texas is last 50th, but California is 48th, but that's on a different chart.

Well, I mean, to be fair to them, I did not, I did not mean to imply, like I wasn't trying to obscure data.

Like I focus on that part of it. And that's right. Look at that. So they get where they're coming from.

Economic freedom typically implies higher state taxes, building restrictions and stuff.

As you can see, the bottom of the list is New York, Oregon,

Washington, and California. Like those are places that have those things, right?

And so yeah, okay, but so if you look at overall, the overall freedom, which I guess chooses to

wait everything in a certain way. Yeah, I don't know how it waits it, but as you see, like California

remains 48th. So my guess is that this study somehow waits economic freedom more harshly than

personal freedom, right? I mean, it mathematically it must. It has to. If California goes from,

what was it? 7th? No, sorry. 6th. 11th? Yeah. If it's 11th, it's 48. If those were evenly weighted,

then the middle would be like 27 or something like that. But it stays 48th. So economic freedom is

so it created this particular study clearly waits economic freedom over personal freedom.

I, my values, I don't know about your values, but my values and granted it's as someone who's

never really grown up with with money struggles in that way, I value personal freedom over economic

freedom. I'd rather pay higher taxes and I'd rather personally deal with the hard, I don't

have a problem with harsh building codes. Someone who builds their problems with the California

building code process, but it's not that it's hard to build. That's not like my problem with it.

And I, I prefer personal freedoms where individuals are left alone and not fucking

person. You know, they also might be waiting, though, is stuff like, like business incentive,

you know, the film industry has basically left Los Angeles. Sure. Because a lot of other

states provide amazing tax breaks or kickbacks and kickbacks, like the legal kind, you know, whatever

in California doesn't. Yeah, California sucks that way. Right. So there's like, there's so many

industries that it's probably a lot easier to run in in other states, the tuning industry,

car tuning industry, a lot of them are moving out. Oh my god, I saw the stories this morning. I

wrote it down. One of the stories this morning is like, SEMA is having like an eyes wide shut style

orgy right now with because fucking because the fuel economy regulations have been killed. Like,

we, we, we have no more images. We don't have laws anymore. Like crimes are like legal now.

Some of them. Have you seen the, do you watch, you watch coffee zilla occasionally? I like,

I like coffee zilla. Have you seen his merch? I ordered a t-shirt. His merch, his t-shirts just say

crime is legal. Oh, yeah, which is, which is not an endorsement, by the way. That's just like

this is a guy who does deep dives on crypto scams and rug polls and influencer scams and like

just, just people who take advantage of other people using the digital economy. That's this guy's

entire stick and his merch, his conclusion is that crime is legal. That's how little these people

get in trouble for doing this kind of shit. Yeah. And now fuel economy standards don't exist anymore.

Like, that's so crazy. Fuel economy standards brought us hyper cars. Well, they brought us

direct injection turbocharging huge power. Yeah, yeah. Like, like, dude, when they, when they said

you have to do make all these cars turbocharged, they all gained 250 horsepower like one model

year later. Yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a good point. I mean, sometimes constraints,

nurture innovation, you know, if something is totally unrestrained, people can be less creative.

They just think whatever I'm doing works fine. Yeah. And so it does that. And I understand

there's people on the other side who think that some of the requirements were getting too strict.

I mean, some of the, the deadline set for car companies may have actually been impossible,

but I think getting rid of the, the pendulum has swung too far. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, even you and

I said the, the all EV mandate was never going to happen. They were going to get a headline while

they could and they were going to back pedal when they realized it was totally untenable. And

that's like a realistic thing to say, even if you think fuel economy standards are probably a

good thing to have. And even if like, I mean, dude, come on, like, don't you like to fucking breathe?

Like don't like even if you think, even if you're the kind of person who's going to modify your car

in a way that won't pass emissions, even if you are that kind of person, I'm not saying you're a

horrible person. I'm just saying like, even if you're willing to break the rule, do you really want

that rule to not exist? Like you, you know what I mean? I think for the automakers, you don't,

you want the automakers to be able to sell the dirty shit to like everybody. Right. Let me look

at Volkswagen. They will do whatever the fuck they can get away with. Right. And if you tell them they

can get away with anything, that's that. Yeah. That's what you'd like to do. Even if you like

tuning your fucking car, if you're someone who sells tunes, okay, fine, you don't want rules. But

if you're just a person and you've got a modified car, you can't possibly think that what you're

doing should be legal across the board. I think of that a lot when I see people that run a

catalyst exhaust and we beat this horse to death will be quick. Like Steve, I didn't explain.

The horse power you lose by just running a high-flow CAD versus a catalyst is negligible. Yeah.

Literally negligible. But I think this myth has perpetuated for a long time. The people need

this open, open pipe thing. And if you're behind them, it smells like you just know that everything

is just going up into the atmosphere. And the picture is from the 70s in many cities. And like

have shown like it's smoggy at this buildup. And I understand that large industries are

contributing a lot more mathematically to all of the greenhouse gas if you believe in that stuff.

If you don't, then you could probably skip this part. But like the city of Los Angeles was

choked with shit. A lot of that because of cars because that was the local source of his emissions.

The whole argument against like the whole argument people use is like if they want to run like a

any car with like dirty emissions. Look, and I'm not a fucking saint in this regard. I'm not saying

I am. But all of our arguments are always like it's just me. It's not everybody. What if it was

everybody. That's very funny. Now we're in 1972. Like you know, like that's what we don't want.

That nobody wants that even the fuck. This is like this is like adding lanes. It's like to highway.

No, you know, even if you want to drive. Like having effective public transport will clear the

highways of the people who don't want to drive but have no other choice. Leaving the people who do

want to drive. Like traffic will be better for you if you give a whole bunch of those people

another option that works that isn't a car. You don't need to force people out of there.

Sorry, how is that related to the emissions thing? Because like, wait, I have to back it up.

It's just like the understanding of an issue. Like it's if it's just,

I related two things in terms of like the way that groups think about stuff but now I'm struggling

to go back and connect them. Maybe I shouldn't bother. Maybe I should just move on. I think the point

was made. Okay, that's fine. It doesn't happen often but I did lose myself first. I mean, look,

my wife's flight was delayed six hours. I went to bed at two thirty so my brain is not running.

I think it's going to be interesting to see what the car companies do and like, you know,

they've put a lot of money into this tech and also something we've talked about a lot is,

you know, the administrations, if they change every four years, if you've done a bunch of R&D and

you've done a bunch of tooling and stuff, you're going to reverse course totally and then it changes

again. Maybe the administrations move faster than the development of a single vehicle. Well put.

So now this means the catalytic converter manufacturer business goes to zero for three years

or six if they just extend the terms like El Salvador. Then that might be one thing but I don't

know if they'll start pulling like turbos and direct injection out of engines because all of the

factories are designed to make engines like that, right? I mean, look, I don't think that overnight,

it's going to be, you know, we're not selling cats anymore. That's not what it's going to be but

what you may find is in a fairly short development cycle, the emissions of vehicles become less

of a priority and an independent study may find that while, you know, tailpipe emissions have been

dropping, starting in mid 2025, they stopped dropping. Like, that's what you're going to see. It's not,

it's not going to be like the whole, it's not going to turn in 1972 by Christmas, you know,

but like, bro, they're going to bring back the hellcat in like five fucking minutes. I was going to

say the TRX is back. I think they're going to use what they have in the pantry. So if they have

the tooling and they can spin it back up or just un, you know, open some boxes again, they totally

will. Yeah. And if they have moved on, like we talked to at 9.11ST launch, when I asked how come

it's limited to this stuff, they were like, well, some of the things we make for this, like the tooling

breaks down and yeah, at a certain point, you cannot make more things. Yeah, yeah. So if it's that

situation, I don't know if they'll make a new, you know, reorder a machine to then make this

thing that used to burn a fuck ton of gas. But we got TRX engines laying around and I'm like,

open that door for sure. Um, I just, I don't, I can't see how even as a car enthusiast, you know,

stopping the progression of efficiency in cars is a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. Commenters made a good

point that unless fuel prices go down significantly, most consumers are not going to be drawn towards

inefficient cars because everything's more expensive. Yeah. And inefficient cars tend to be

expensive because they have a lot of horsepower and they sell them for more money. So people aren't

going to go, Oh, I'm going to stretch to buy this thing that burns way more gas than my current

car. I mean, I would hope so, but, you know, people in America buy the biggest fucking fastest thing

they can afford a lot of the time. But I don't know. I will say maybe the consumer, maybe the free

market will sort this out and consumer preference will, uh, will be for smaller, more, more efficient

cars. But when has that, the last time that happened was when America was left totally flatfooted by

the fuel crisis in the 70s and people, they're small economy cars were total shit boxes and people

were like, maybe I'll try a Honda, maybe I'll try a Toyota. And that bitch ran for 400,000 miles

with just tires and oil. Yep. And they were like, Oh, shit. And like never went back and called American

cars, shit boxes for the rest of their lives. And a lot of American cars were shitty back then

because they got real lazy. They were so lazy. And that like the competition nurtured

innovation from the US manufacturer side. But, you know, who's, who's going to do it? Who's,

who's going to be the company that comes in and, and all of a sudden sells this car that people want?

The lightweight, fuel-efficient car that people theoretically want. Toyota, Toyota. Probably.

I think them. Still them, not somebody new. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think Chevy's

going to do it. Because if they, if they're going to, they would. I think, I think to make to sell

the lightweight car from a company that doesn't do that, you need a step change in material use

or in the features that are included in cars. Everyone who buys things wants too many things in

there, cars to weigh X with some exceptions. And just real quick, national price of gas right now,

the average is $3.15 as of today. Is there, what's the line look like? Is there, do you have a line,

like a graph? Oh, I don't, I don't watch the national price because I'm not typically buying gas

all over, but okay, wait, hang on. What was that say? Current average, yesterday average,

week ago, month ago, year. Okay, so it is, so it's down by 30 cents from a year ago,

but it's been inching its way down from 31, 78 to 31, 51 from a month ago.

So down and dropping, diesel seems like it's up actually. There's a graph. Okay, so yeah,

where is that graph? That's the one year graph. One year is back there. Oh, so there's a really big

drop in August 5th of 24. And it basically 45 degree angle down to between August and the end of

the year. It really, it really took a steep drop and then it's been actually climbing a bit

since then. Yeah, slower with some peaks and stuff. Yeah, so it's, it's pretty far down from

its peaks, peaks, but what was the highest there? May of 22. It got up to five bucks for the,

for the national. Wow, that's pretty high. Yeah. Okay, speaking of burning a lot of gas,

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back to the show. In fact, people didn't really like the EVs. People abandoned them too.

That's pretty much the whole story. They sort of just stopped selling EVs in America and didn't

didn't really announce it because why would they? And that's sort of really the entire story.

And based on what we just talked about, my guess is the supercharged five and a half liter engine

from the 2004 E55 is about to make a comeback. The EQ55 is coming in hot. I feel like Mercedes

is probably very excited when the EV mandate was taken away. They're like, oh, now we have

an excuse. Well, look, I mean, we've, as we said a million times, EV mandates benefit car

companies at the bottom end far more than they benefit once the top end because if they're,

if everything's an EV, like what is the difference between a Mercedes and a BMW anymore? I mean,

that's if your company's history is on precision crafting engines, boy, where you fucking host.

And yes, I understand that it being EVs would make economy cars more expensive as well. But I'm

talking about purely in terms of like refinement and perception and things like that and electric

Kia and electric Mercedes. If you close your eyes, you know, you close your eyes and ears and

someone drives you down the road, like not a whole lot of difference there, true? Yeah. Yeah.

So how about the complete opposite of that? Zach and I went to Washington, not Seattle, Washington,

the Eastern Washington, not East, Middle of Washington, Central, East, Southeast, Southeast,

Eastern Washington. You can just name the place. Richland. Richland, Washington, because everyone knows

where Richland Washington is. It was actually sort of like sort of like almost an oasis sort of town

along the Columbia River surrounded by desert, right? Like it was like actually kind of lush

in that one area by the river. And then and there's some wine and river boat and and water ski and

all that kind of stuff kind of kind of lovely actually. And it's a excuse me, the home of SSE,

Shelby supercars, unrelated to Carroll Shelby. And you probably know SSE for the reason that they

wish you didn't, which is that this is the company that had the fastest car in the world in 2007,

beat the Bugatti Veyron with the ultimate arrow. And then it took 10 years to develop their second

car and then had one of the craziest PR bongles of all time in a car history where they had a video

that claimed to say the car went 330 miles an hour. And and someone from their company came on

our show to talk about it to promote it, turned out to not be true. No one really thinks I don't

know. No one really thinks it was intentionally a scam. It was just like bad calibration. Yeah.

And then sort of a desire to believe in the instrumentation a little longer than they probably

should have. Yeah. Nevertheless, an enormous PR bongle that overshadowed the fact that the car

really does go like two hundred and ninety miles an hour. Yeah. They ran two ninety five in one

direction. And what shocked me the most in researching this is that they ran the 282 average

like four months after the bongle happened. And maybe I read about it when that was happened,

but like the PR damage from the big story overshadowed it forever. Yeah. You know, and then that's just

it's just an asterisk for them for a long time. It sucks. You know, and and and Jared Shelby,

you know, he really wants this car to go three hundred miles an hour. He believes it will go three

hundred miles an hour. It probably fucking will to be honest with you. You know, especially if they

had an error lesson, you know, it absolutely would go three hundred miles an hour. It's it's

more power than a Sharon. It's lighter. And it has a better coefficient of drag for driving in

a straight line. And it's already done two ninety five. And it was on what do you say it was like

on a three mile runway. Yeah. He ran in a room. He hit the shutdown. So he they had to like back

up and use fucking a few feet of the like return road to actually get it. And so if they had a

little more room, look, and and and you know, Zach and I are not here to apologize just to give

some context to the point that we went to Washington to actually drive this thing on the road. So it's

it's it's a carbon tub hypercar. It's two and a half million dollars. It's almost entirely built

it. Well, it is built entirely here in in Washington with almost entirely Washington sourced

source stuff where they where they can. And I'm pretty sure it's like over 90% American component

tree. I mean, engines made Nelson racing racing. Yeah, carbon. All their carbon stuff is made

in the Seattle area. There's a lot of aerospace there. But that was very cool to learn. It's not

shipped from Italy. Nothing wrong with that. But like Delara is they make carbon fiber for everyone.

Yeah, basically for like every car. So that was rad. Spension is like Penske brand. I don't know

who makes it. Yeah, in Ward, Peshrod, you know, Penske makes it. Oh, they manufacture it. Okay.

Yeah, that's that's it's like they it's like Daytona prototype level kind of stuff. It's the the

the engineering on it. It sort of resembles what like a Conexig CXXR kind of. Yeah, it's it's

sort of what those cars looked like and worked like, which makes sense because they started

development in this car in 2010. And it took them this long to get, you know, it took them until

2020 from 2010 to 2021 to get a production level car. They've sold a few of them. And so yeah,

it's it's 3,100 pounds wet. It's 1,750 horsepower on E85 or 1,300 horsepower on 91.

It has the seven speed sequential gearbox. It's the same one used in the Pagani Utopia.

F5 the Venom F5. It was also used in the older Conex. I go CCR or something. Yeah, CCXR.

Yeah, and you know, it's it's well, it's fucking crazy. I mean, it's real crazy. Yeah, it is.

There's not a so when they when you have a car like this with such horsepower,

the you can make it so it can creep around and you can make it so it can go really fast.

And the really hard part is this sort of in between. You know, it's like 50 percent throttle

up shifts and 50 percent break or coasty down shifts. Like that kind of stuff is incredibly

challenging to tune. And then to make a 1700 horsepower engine that won't over I mean, it was

over 90 degrees when we tested this thing. And there's different kinds of like stress tests.

There's like your track day. There's we as we were learning Jared was telling us doing one,

you know, 300 mile an hour pull. It's like 48 seconds on this engine.

Well, what he's explaining is when they did the run in Nevada, which is not a road.

Excuse me, not the runway run. So that they did a really long build up, which is very much like,

like, air lesson is an 11 mile track that Volkswagen uses and no one else can use. So they were

doing a similar approach. SSE was like long build up, get up to like 180 and then roll into it

and roll into it. And now with these runways, they have two and a half miles and it's more like a

drag race. You don't have to get on it. But to your point, that long roll up was now they're doing

60 seconds of like lots of throttle and a lot more heat build up. So they had to address those

types of cooling issues. That's so that's one challenge. When we're filming the car, it's actually

a different challenge. And one that like sometimes cars have problems with like it's short bursts

of acceleration combined with periods of idling and making U-turns and going into in and out of

reverse. If it's hot, the air conditioning might be on like full crank, stopping starting over

and over. It's a different type of harshness on a car. And one that like someone who's building a

car probably wouldn't take into account. It's funny because we've also done that people might be

laughing like of course a car can handle turning around and stuff. But you'd be surprised the number

of modified cars we've driven with far less horsepower than this, that sometimes struggle with

that stuff. With basic things like burst of speed, slow down, burst of speed, slow down all that

stuff. So I just want to provide that. Yeah, no, it's not entirely out of the ordinary for a car

to struggle with that. Particularly something where it's like this is a very boutique thing.

You would be forgiven if it didn't stay cool or the air conditioning didn't work. But like the

fact is, those things did actually work really good. Extremely well. We thought the oil temp

sensor was broken. I was like, there's no way the oil is under a hundred and they're like, yep,

that's right. And I was like, how? It's like it's hot. Look what we're doing. He's like,

it's just it's just an incredibly efficient system. He's like, it's designed to do runway racing

in the middle of the desert. Like doing this is not a problem. Yeah, he said that it takes an hour

of driving to get the oil to 160. Yeah, which is that's like my kuntosh. That's like what they told

me about my Lamborghini is like, like Donnie was like, yeah, yeah, you have to drive like I was like,

what is it? You know, what if I need to just, you know, get things moving and whatever. I was like,

he's like, yeah, 45 minutes to an hour. I was like, what? And for context, I remember this

specifically when we had the 911 T from flat six motor sports. Yeah, I drove it from my house

four miles, three miles to a grocery store. Mm-hmm. Went in the store. When we came out, the oil

was at about 165. And I was like, okay, now it's warmed up a little bit. But it took that long to

it. Sorry, took that short amount of time to get to that temperature. Yeah, a modern car can

do that quickly. I mean, this is a modern car. But like, this is it just has so much oil.

And so much cooling capacity that like, you know, whatever. So anyway, when you go full throttle

in this car, it is seriously violent. Yes. Among the most violent things I've ever driven,

um, it you, it does have traction, which is pretty amazing. It does actually once you're above

second gear, it has boost by gear. But if you're above second gear, it does put the power down

like pretty good actually. It is shocking. Yeah. But like, again, if you if you roll into third

and you do a three, four, five, like you hold the fuck on because what's there is now here and you

are approaching it at a speed you didn't expect. Yes. Um, and the sound is violent. The shifts

are violent. It's a single clutch seven speed. Yeah. Um, it basically power shifts. It's it yeah,

when you're slowing, when you're slowly cruising around, you can, you can say this at the speed

I'm saying it. Paddle clutch open clutch closed. That's how long it takes to do a shift.

Paddle clutch open clutch closed. Paddle clutch open clutch closed, which like,

that's shitty. That stinks. But when you're hugging on it and you shift within 1500 RPM to the

red line, uh, which is hard to be precise because it's going so fast. Yes. It, it just slams it as hard

as it can and it's fucking something. Well, there's a, there's a very small, not a pitch forward.

It's, uh, there's a pause in thrust, of course, because you don't have torque fill. And what is

this highlight the ability of torque filling if you want or something, but there's that little pause

and then when the clutch is slam shut, I mean, they slam shut and all of a sudden all the power

comes rushing out again and just hits you in the back. And in between those two things,

anything like fire comes out. A lot of fire comes out every shift fire comes out. Um, it's,

it's really, really, really violent. Um, I would, I would say that that that isn't experts only

level car. Yeah. Um, it is, it's not for fucking amateurs. It just, I mean, at two and a half

million dollars, of course, it's not for amateurs, but like, even by the standards of Pagani,

this is, this is like another level of, of violence. Now, it's not, I don't want to say it's

unrefined, but like the gearbox really does make it unrefined, but also,

from being honest, like the fit and finish, I mean, yeah, and it's not Pagani. It's a million dollars

less than a Pagani. And all million of those dollars go into built quality. Like, it's not this

sort of, it's not an ugly car at all. I think it's pretty clear. I mean, in fact, I think it's

generally an attractive car, but the, the, some of the details just are not there for this,

for seven figures. I agree with you. I agree with you. It's two thirds of the cost of the Pagani

and two thirds of the cost of a Sharon. And I think you said it very well. Like, there's a certain

amount of money that's required to develop hardware that does this. And this is much faster and more

powerful than a Pagani, but like, that's where the money went. This is literally the Corvette of

Pagani's. Yeah. Like, the actual Corvette is now, is now the, it's the Ferrari, the Corvette,

everyone sees what's happening now, right? You've, you took the four, the four XX series

and you value engineered it and made it even faster. That's the Corvette model. Always has been.

This is Corvette in a Pagani. It's not a bad thing is where it is, but like, where,

it's, but where, where does that sacrifice come from? Like, when we saw the bear tub,

the clear coat work on the bear tub was like, not fabulous. There was some little pittings.

And he said it was after it had been polished. Oh, really? Like, some of the areas where like,

the corner windows match up, like, a little bit, ah, little, it would, it would, I'd be okay with

it in a Morgan. I'm not okay with it at 200, two, two million dollars. I agree. There were places

where like two panels of carbon met, you know, there's a small gap. And the gap in some of

these was actually very even. I was impressed. Sorry. If you, you know, you run your finger along it.

The distance between the panels felt even, but if you look from the side, one was stepped up

slightly, you know, by like half a mill or something, which compared to Conex egg where they

match the weave and all that shit. Yeah. It's just, that's where those little touches show up.

Um, and, and, and the UI, like, like, it has these power hydraulic doors, which Jared

said that he, his opinion was that at this level, opening and closing your doors is an

uncouth gesture and a power is more luxurious. Now, one of the things when you're shooting a car

is you're in an out, in, in, out, in, out, open the door, close it over the door. And if you drive

this car once a month, okay, that might seem luxurious. If you're going in and out of this car

all the time, that's the power doors are far much more troubled than they're worth. Uh, that's true.

And there were a few times where they were properly. Yeah. So, which also, and then you just,

you open the door, you open the button, you open the door, you close the door and then you pull it

down. But, and also there were touchscreen window controls, which is, boy, we're there, which is

no good. I mean, it's very silly. It's because this member of this car, 2010, 2010. Yeah. So, like,

and, you know, I don't know, I don't remember what the original interior was in 2010. But by 2020,

fucking touchscreen, everything was all the rage, right? But now, now, now this, these people

want switches and knobs. I think, well, I think eight, yes, 100%. The, the interest has gone back

the other way. And, um, maybe they could pivot that. The other thing is, as we said before, about

OEMs, it's probably cheaper and simpler to have the more controls are in that screen. Yeah. Things

you have to make costs stay down, et cetera. But the window control and, you know, in my video,

there's a lot of in-car missing because I didn't know how to close the windows. That's on me for

not asking how. But there, it wasn't in, there was no like highlighted window thing or whatever.

You had to like tap. It's actually in a submen. It's a submen. So that's like a bad thing. And

the gauges look nice. They're just, they're from Aston Martin. They look pretty good. Um,

and the center screen, like, the graphics look nice and they're responsive. But I would like

a few more controls, hard controls. You know, I didn't actually have any issues with

how the screen worked. It actually, it responded. It took a freeze. It was fine. It just, uh, I want.

And, and the knobs that were there, the ones on the steering wheel for the, for the wiper and for

the headlights. Like that company can make a nice knob. Yeah. Like those were really nice to use.

Like, give me more of those. Give me solid click. Give me a bunch of them. Yeah. They're all right.

Yeah. Um, and I think overall the interior looked cool. Like you saw carbon. The, the seats were

pretty comfortable. The door cards are really nice. Yeah, ergonomically, it was like, it was

actually pretty nice. It's simple and they did a lot with what they had. I think they could just do a

tiny bit more to make it easier to use. Um, but so if Pagani is one side of the spectrum,

where the interior is so complicated, it's almost blinding. You know, Pagani is steampunk.

It is. It's Pagani is an exercise in how can I make this more. Yeah. Go sh and ridiculous,

which is cool. Like I, I love it. But like, that's what they're doing over there. This is a little,

this is more to the other side, where it's simple. Looks pretty nice. Um, does look exciting.

And you see the carbon, you go the cars made of this, but it's, it's a artistic utilitarian, I

say. Um, and beyond the speed, I thought for a non-adjustable, the suspension's adjustable,

but you need tools for it's not, it's not on a button. It's not adaptive. Right. It's height

adjustable to clear driveways and shit, which is cool. Well, also like in city mode, it's taller

than track mode. So it drops like an inch and a half. Right. I apologize. It's height adjustable.

It's not firmness adjustable. Um, the ride was decent. Actually, there you come firm, but,

but not bad by any means. Um, I never quite, I thought the brakes were nice. The brakes felt

similar to what a McLaren brake pedal feels like. Yeah. It's a very firm pedal that almost feels

manual, um, big brakes. I don't know if I've seen a carbon rotor that thick. I think they're the same.

What did I just drive that I think had those? I want to say they're the same ones either on

maybe the Panamera Turbo S or the Bentley. Uh, it might be the Bentley GT speed,

which is the same as the Urus brakes. They're fucking huge. Yeah. They're the biggest,

thickest brembo's that they make. Um, they're monsters. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, if you have,

they had that same runway when they're stopping from, you know, between 280 and 300,

they have 0.7 miles to do that, which with no shoot. So like, yep, big fucking brakes. Not a

lot of space. Yeah. Normally, a break of this size for a car that weighs 3,100 pounds would be like

enormously overkill. Yeah. No, no, this is, you need this. I want to just beat all the heat.

Both you and I did note that, that the lack of like an air brake did make the rear end feel

the dynamics are, I think, where this suffers the most. And I think, you know, we can go back

to the price. The Bugatti is a million dollars more. It also comes from Volkswagen. It costs

way more to build. Like this, this is being built at a price that can sustain the company.

There's not huge investors behind it. Like, they need to make some money on it. Bugatti and

VW could have lost money on every, uh, every, uh, every Sharon. Yeah. And it's maybe not

sure. But it was a display. Yeah. It was a look what we can do. So, um, I think the dynamics of

this thing have two problems. One, the steering ratio is way too quick. That, like, it is twitchy

and not in a good way. I think that steering rack is 1.25 turns lock to lock. And Jared did say

that on the record setting cars, the top speed cars, they have a slower rack, which makes a lot

of sense. So yeah, this one, this one was called the striker, which is the one that has an

aerodynamic kit and is more set up for handling, but mechanically is the same as the other cars.

I just thought it was too quick. And the other thing as to your point is the lack of air brake,

when you get off the gas in this car, even at, like, barely extra legal speeds. I was shocked at

the amount of dive in it and then how unsettled it felt. Like it, when you get on the brakes,

it would track straight because I think it has a lot of toe in the car, but it was just a lot more

pitch forward than I was prepared for. And that's maybe what the air brakes do on McLaren's

and other cars. I think on the road, it becomes, when the front gets loaded, it becomes much more

affected by the camber and ruts in the road because we were on an open sweepers and you'll see

in the video. There is video, but on a public road that's used by a lot of trucks actually during

commuting hours. So there were some ruts. And so I found that when you stepped on the throttle and

it, you know, hunched back, then it was cool. But in that transition from, I found, I told you

twice, I said, be, get off the throttle slow. And then on the brakes slowed, it slowed that transition

down because it does get a little hairy. And the, like, we've said it about McLaren 570s. Also,

that's why those cars out, you know, the later cars all have fixed wings and like seven series

cars with air brakes and all, basically all the other hypercars have air brakes for that reason.

And, you know, hydraulic wings are really expensive. So I understand why you might not do it. And

a hydraulic wing won't help you accelerate to 300 miles an hour. But I told this to Jared

and to Jason Castro and I said it to everybody, like, I think if I had a full day and a racetrack

and one of these and a 750s, I'd, I'd be lapping consistently faster all day in the 750s with half

the horsepower because of the confidence in the braking and the steering not because of the power.

This would fucking smoke that in a drag race, which I can't believe I'd ever say about a car

that will fucking spin the tires at fourth gear. And that's, you know, we're talking about, you're

talking about batshit and, you know, hold the fuck on because this is going to really scare you.

This feels in a way like the American Veyron, not in terms of like interior fit and finish,

but the Veyron was a somewhat compromised handling machine. Like it was a pretty big,

pretty soft thing. The Sharon, they fixed that. And that is, we also only the pure sport,

which was the one that was forehandling. That's fair. So they're not going to all be that good,

but, but what you do get from the Veyron and Sharon is that feeling of this is built like a

fucking tank. Like, yeah, but also the knobs impress me in this. Yeah, yeah, that was really

incredible. The pure sport, particularly with the fucking, it's got the camber, the lightweight

wheels, and it's really set up to go around corners like that thing rips. That's awesome. Yeah.

But they're, but you do it a pure sport. It's five million bucks. Right. If you can get one,

which you can't. That's where the money goes twice as expensive. Yeah.

So we keep going around again. It's the, this is the Corvette of Paganis basically. It's,

you know, if the, if the, the Sharon is the Porsche of Paganis, if we're having a new, a new

index here, this is the Corvette. Yeah. It's fucking cool, man. Like, and people, people in the

comments on my Instagram are like calling it like an LS motor and shit, which I think is not really

fair to Nelson or SSC. It's a, it's a 5.9 liter billet block, billet crank, billet cams,

flat plain crank with a insane amount of technology in it that can easily make 1300 horsepower

on pump gas. Yeah. 91 octane. Yeah. 93. And you can't sell it in California, but you can sell

it in all 49 other states. And it, I mean, it's loud, but it has no muffler at all. And it

isn't that loud. It's not pretty. It's for a car with no muffler. It sounds amazing. It really

does some outside. It sounds incredible. And I think there are only tiny little moments, tiny little

moments where it sounds like anything in the LS family. I think most of the time, it does not really

sound like an LS motor, bass motor. Oh, I agree. Yeah. It never, to me, sounded like, you know,

LS Corvette firing up, which so many other cars do. It felt very special. I mean, the exhaust

they build is very, is beautiful and incredibly like complicated, like the bends and everything

and it are so cool. I think, look, I like their story. I like what they're trying to do. I think,

I know they had that big problem, but it seems like Jared's trying to do things the right way,

the way he explained how they set up the Guinness record and how like they want it, you know,

multiple types of verification. I think they fucked, I think someone fucked up in 2020. Yeah.

And as we talk around the video, it is so hard to convince the public like that you have reformed.

Sure. But I think this, it didn't seem like they were trying to do that intentionally to lie to people

and they're like, shit, we didn't, we're gonna go do it again. Yeah. They want to do it again

the right way. They want to get the two-way average of 300. It's just about finding, I guess, the place

in time and it's really expensive to do it. And, you know, they've got, they are building some

customer cars. What do we sell? Three, three cars being built while we were there. And one was in

there for updates, right? Yeah. And one, they're gonna have, what, two cars at the quail? Three.

Three, three. Our buddy, Nat Mundi, who runs HK Motor Cars, which is their dealer for the US,

is gonna have the one car at the entrance to the concourse on car week. So when we go

when you go from like the parking lots and the shuttle bus stop-offs and whatever and you go

under that main arch to get to the golf course, like, you're, it's right there. It's the first shit

you walk by. He also sells those chimera things, which he's got, you know, it's three of them.

All we have to do when he opens, you know, so he's opening, uh, it's K, K, K, I, K, isn't that right?

K, K, I mean, are you? I think it's K, I mean, are you? Yeah. The O3, the O3, is the O3 seven,

and then the O3 eight is the new one that he just got. But, uh, they're opening a showroom

like a mile from my parents house. HK is. Nice. So all we have to do is fucking go to

Greenwich for a weekend and fuck around and go play with these things. He's got three of them.

Let's go make a video. We can. Yeah. We just like need to do it. We should do it.

Maybe you want to go see Rise Against? Uh, I would do that. Yeah. You want to go meet Rise Against?

I think yes. And Papa Roach. There's also John's Beach. Funny and ironic about going to see Rise

Against and then also going to drive like a two million dollar car. I know. It was really fun.

The other funny thing was that because it's at John's Beach and, you know, we have the God Pass,

not just because of, um, shout out to Jerry Horton from Papa Roach, love him, but also from

Hannah's cousin, who's the general manager of John's Beach. So they have a doc at John's Beach.

The boat. Well, we don't have our boat anymore, but I could get a boat paddle board. I could get a

fucking boat. And it would be fun to do the gig. So I thought if taking a boat to see Rise Against

would be the busiest. I bet Nat has a boat. He does, but his boat is small. Uh, and that would be

a long way. Oh, okay. Yeah. To get from Greenwich to John's Beach by boat, um, you have to go

to. Pull up a map. How many hours is that, but probably two hours, but it's open ocean because

you have to go to the South Shore. So just pull up John's Beach theater. But if people don't know, uh,

in New York, the Jones Beach amphitheater is one of the greatest music venues in on the planet.

It's like an old school amphitheater that is where it uh, there north, north well joint Jones

Beach theater. Um, it's facing the water. Look at that. It's like, it's like New York's Red Rocks,

basically. And so if you have a boat, you can pull your boat up and just, and just drop anchor.

But also you can see on the, in this photo, actually, it's right where the mouse is. Yeah,

you see the dock. Oh, yeah. So you can, uh, if you have, if you're the artist and your friend

of the artist, you can fucking dock. So, um, anyway, we get the VIP maybe bring a boat.

Is it quicker to take a boat than drive a car? Oh, uh, it's like two hours. So go back to the map

and I'll show you where you have to, how you have to do it. It's a little crazy. So you have to

zoom way out further, further, further, further, further. Now go up. So see, see, see,

stand for there. Yeah. Granted just to the left of that. You got to go around. No, no, no,

that would take two days. Okay. But you go into New York City. If you can zoom in, you go down the

East River. Yep. Down the East River past Manhattan under the Verizano Bridge, head out past JFK

airport and then you go past Long Beach, which is where my wife is from and then you fucking tuck

in right there. It's, I know from Greenwich to the like Midtown Manhattan on the East River

is about an hour. So this is probably two and a half hours. And I've never taken a small boat

on that open ocean before. That would be a long, be a whole day ride back after, after a show

and you're like, you stay over. Oh, okay. Then show over on the dock and then you go back. Yeah,

otherwise you die. Oh, no, no, I'm not doing that bitch at night. Right. No, no, I'm just checking.

I could if I had to, but I wouldn't absolutely not want to. Yeah, that would suck balls.

But maybe we can drive a chimera while we're there. That'd be sick. Let's do that.

Taking that to a rise again show would be a little bit to wrap this up. Okay, SSE, I think

if you are a person that collects, you know, that has dozens of cars and you have all the money

because that's most of the people that buy these things, I, it is one of the most interesting

experiences I've ever had and the speed is insane and it'd be very fun to own for a while and go

to like a runway event or some kind to just experience that shit. Yeah, you have driven

a Conex egg and the Sherone and this and the Pagani. I haven't driven a Conex egg in the last

10 years. Well, Gera R was the last one I drove and that was 2014. So it was a lot like this.

Actually, I mean, it was, it was a little, I was the materials and the fit and finish were tighter,

but driving it was quite similar to this on the ride. That was very curious. Yeah, I mean,

it was like 1300 horsepower instead of 1700, but with 10 years difference, like, what's the

fucking difference? I don't know. They both went insanely fast. The Conex egg, they had me take my

hands off the wheel at 200 miles an hour and stand on the brakes, which I would not do in this car.

I don't think I would do that. I don't, I don't, I wouldn't really feel comfortable with that.

The Conex egg had a fucking air brake and one of the most sophisticated stability control

systems I've ever seen at that point. I don't think I'd do that in this car.

I'm not saying like this isn't like dangerous, dangerous. Like I don't think it like wants to do

something bad, but like you kind of got to look out a little bit. Yeah, but I think that's,

you know, the Bugatti is like you can kind of hand it to anybody and if they stay in it too long,

momentum is a thing. Sure. But you can drive around. It feels like an essay that has 1500 horsepower.

And I think to some people that could get boring because some people like, if you're a race car

driver, if you like flying interesting aircraft or stuff like people, there are people that want

this. There are people that want to drive, you know, a cater room with a V8 or an aerial atom or

something. Yeah. And that's what this is. Yeah. This is like psycho machine. Yeah. Yeah. If it is,

if a 765 LT isn't enough, this is like the next level of really, really insane acceleration.

And I haven't driven an F5. I've asked John a few times to try an F5. I've told him

I hate his yoke steering wheel. I don't like yoke steering wheels, but like, I'd love to try an F5

at some point, if I can. Of course. If and when, however, but like,

this was, it was at the same time better than I thought, you know, but also like, I could,

there's areas where they clearly just don't have the resources to take it to that next level.

And when you're selling a car for seven figures, like deep in the seven figures,

you need a very passionate customer who wants this specific thing. And in some cases, as he said,

when without naming names, it's been disillusioned by other cars that may have had, quote,

finer engineering, but ultimately weren't very reliable. He wants his car to be reliable.

I think it probably will be. I think the biggest risk for unreliability is the hydraulic doors.

Yeah. Honestly, right. Oh, that's, that'd be my biggest concern. But, you know, thank you to

SSC for having us out. It was, it was really lovely to meet them and, and hang out with them. And,

and, you know, that, that car, that car works good all day. Really did. It worked good all day.

You know, the heat better than we did. Fucking insane. I don't know if the, I hope the video

shows how fast it is because it's just, or show some fire at least. It'll definitely show fire.

Yeah. We definitely, you know, closed roads, professional drivers, all that stuff. But man, like,

I drove back from location with Jared. And he watched me like, I was shifting manual and he goes,

okay, he's like, now what you want me to do is roll into it in third. And when it gets to

red line, just let, just stay in it, let it shift itself. He's like, because it's revving so fast.

Yeah. That, I mean, this thing does not feel like the red line mechanically is 8200. It feels like

it'll rev to 10 first of all. And he's like, it's really hard to time that shift to nail it.

Otherwise, you know, you hit fuel cut and stuff. And when it shifted itself, good fucking god.

Matt Ferrer, like the first thing saying, I mean, you did it. The kick is very hard. And it just

squats. It, it sticks. I mean, the roads there are fantastic. And I was extremely awake and focused

in that moment and silent. Yeah. And wow. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah. It's a, I mean, for most people,

a McLaren is enough to go, what the fuck? This is what people are buying right now. But if that,

eventually you can get used to that. Yeah. I think it would be quite difficult to get used to this.

Well, remember back in the early days of tune, we were filming a lot of R35 G2. Yeah. And he will go,

I got the 800 horsepower kit. And you go, okay, how do you like it? And this, this, remember the

gentleman, he'd had it for two months. And he's like, I think I'm going to get the 1200 horsepower kit.

He was already bored of the power because in that car, it was so easy. Yeah. But also acceleration,

your body gets used to it eventually. Yeah. This is the far step of that. If you made a bunch of money,

I don't know if you'll, I don't know if you'd get used to this. Yeah. It would, because there's

so few places that you can really, really, you have to go to a standing mile event or something.

Yeah. I mean, you can drive this on the street like you, you could absolutely drive this on the street.

But you know, you can't get near the floor for, for very long. The next thing is already here,

whatever, whatever was there is already here. You're going 150. It leaps tens of miles per hour.

Yeah. Well, a little beyond. Yeah. Very wild. I mean, turns out Nelson Racing can build an engine.

Yeah, I know it was cool. It was, it was, it was really wild. The manks is finished. That's

very exciting to me. I'm going to, I think I'm going to get it on Wednesday or Thursday and take it

home, which is crazy. The top came out really good, exactly like, like we thought. And they just sent

me the photos, the coolers that Ali got us. He got us these awesome coolers that have like a

little vacuum sealer sort of thing on the lid. And, and they have this, this handle or a strap,

like a shoulder strap on the cooler. And the cooler is, it's aluminum. It's like anodized aluminum.

And it has the, these sort of like ridges in it that really look like the ridges on the inside

of the manks on the, the ECU and battery cover lid. And so Ali got us a pair of them. And it's got

these, these shoulder strap where the strap, like has these strap locks on it, almost like a guitar

strap. And we took the strap apart and Brenda made it into tie downs for the cooler. Oh, cool.

Right. So the coolers strapped down on either side of it. I don't, I don't have a photo of it yet,

but it's like pretty slick. Yeah. So we'll be able to, so I can like, for the quail,

I'm just going to like load the cooler up. Then I, it's all drinks, free drinks and food there.

But not as good as what I'll have. Okay. You can be celebrating with some blantons.

Oh, okay. Or maybe we'll have a little craft cocktail. Maybe we'll have a sell it,

well, maybe that's what we'll do. We could either bring the materials to make a craft cocktail,

and have like a celebratory cocktail. Or I could bring the materials to make shakerados.

Shakerados, right? The coffee line there was large. Yeah. Shakerados would be good.

The Conan sake had a great coffee stand, which is a weird thing to say, but,

we'll make a shakerado. Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah. Either way, and plus we can have,

when we go down to Big Sur, on Thursday, we can have the sharkutes.

But don't, we go to a breakfast place. But we're that down there for a while.

I'm like, did I forget? We go there to place that makes great eggs.

Yeah, no, we're down there for a while. A couple hours.

Yeah, we're no traffic's bad. That's actually true.

Very, very exciting. It looks fantastic. Yeah.

Gonna bring it to King of Hamers. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool.

And do you want to do a...

Do you want it? Can we talk quickly about ZR1 river-grinced stuff?

Sure. The reason, first of all, we can celebrate

the Chevy ZR1 X did 649 at the ring. That's crazy.

Super fast. Yeah. Super-duper fast. How does that compare to the fastest Porsche?

That's where I'm headed. Yeah.

And I'm not... And it should be said that the Corvette team that did this,

and they also ran the Z06, they did it in the 7-11.

Sorry, okay, so ZR1 X did 659. ZR1 did 650,

649, and then Z06 did 7-11. They did it with... the engineers were driving.

Yeah. They weren't pros. These engineers are good drivers.

They've won like... A GM performance chassis engineer is a pro.

I don't want to fucking hear that shit. I think they're...

I would say they're pro-am. They're close.

Yeah. Because Porsche uses Yorg.

Sure. Yorg is... Sure.

But the difference between Yorg and a GM chassis engineer

is not 20 seconds a lap. It's just not.

I agree. It's maybe...

It's maybe... A couple, maybe.

Yeah. But go on.

So, Jesse Wooji, he put up a thing on Instagram, and I looked at it,

and it had all the times of recent cars, recent production cars.

And what surprised me about it was that the Porsche's

have run quicker. And some of them have the man...

You know, man-tee performance or man-the-high performance G2RS,

way faster. All right, let's just say that's man-tee.

Let's give that an asterisk.

But when you come up here to like a stock G2RS 647.

Yeah. Or a facelifted GT3 with Yorg.

651.

And those have half the power of this year.

It was a 500 horsepower car.

So that's... And I saw it, and I'm not...

I'm really not trying to make...

I'm not making fun of Corvette. I saw it and I was surprised.

And I went, wow, is that because

the Porsche lends itself to the ring much more

than a car with 1200 horsepower?

You know, it can't be deployed as much.

I mean, look, Yorg doesn't have the fastest GT car lap.

You know, Lars Kern has the fastest GT2RS man-the-high.

Lars Kern has quite a few in the top 20 as well.

So it's not just Yorg, right?

That's very true, but I mean, isn't Lars also...

Lars is a pro, Lars is a pro also.

Yeah. But either way, like the cars...

These are stock Porsche's 9.11s with half the power

that are running quicker times.

And I just... I saw that and I was like, why?

It's pretty impressive stuff.

Very impressive.

I want an engine here to say...

I'm very impressed.

Here's why.

I mean, it would be pretty wild if it was purely Yorg Bergmeister.

And if there was in the case, I would say,

I'm incredibly honored to have...

to like know him as a friend and to have been around

to track with him because holy fuck in that guy drive.

Unquestionably.

But I mean, the GM guys developing this car,

they're pro-level racing drivers.

At the Nürburgring, I might give them

a second or two versus, you know, versus...

What's really crazy is that

the Nürburgring really is a power track.

It's a top speed power track, right?

High speed, which demonstrate...

You know, it's demonstrated by how little gain they got

from the all-wheel drive X.

Very true.

Doesn't do much on that track.

I bet there'd be a much bigger difference

at the thermal club pulling out of these hair pins

than there are in the Nürburgring.

Yeah, but to that point,

the ZR1 has 1200 horsepower.

Yeah, no, it should probably be a lot faster.

I thought it'd be a lot faster.

Now maybe the Aero kits on the GT3RS

and the 2RS are just way more effective

than what they put on the ZR1.

Maybe I don't have the downforce numbers in front of me.

But I just saw that and I was like, oh, that's very curious.

Yeah, I mean, maybe their cornering speeds

are really that much higher,

which would be wild considering

I've driven a Z06

and the cornering speed on that was pretty insane.

Yeah, it seems amazing.

Yeah.

But it is funny that with that much extra power,

the times are really in the same kind of ballpark.

It's not, the rewards aren't that huge

although what's really surprising is that the Z06

is that far behind a stock GT3.

I mean, that's pretty wild.

Like that's 670 horsepower

and presumably that's the Z07 package car,

you know, ready for the track.

That's pretty far behind a GT3.

I wonder, it'd be cool to see sector times

because there are sections of the Nürburgring

that really reward power.

But there's also a lot of it that's

you know, the downhill tight stuff.

Yeah.

So maybe in those sectors,

the Porsche is a lot quicker and stickier

and then on the big big stuff,

you know, the Corvette catches up.

Yeah, someone out there will make

that cool like 3D graph thing

with showing the two cars driving.

It is kind of funny how quickly

they did beat the GTD though.

That's pretty funny.

Yeah, and then Ford, of course,

tweeted they're like, it's on.

So here's one for you.

I think I'm pretty sure that we'll have a ZR1

and a GTD at performance car of the year.

So you'll get to see a direct comparison

on a smaller track.

Which track are you guys going?

Thunder Hill.

Okay, yeah, be interesting.

Thunder Hill.

Cool, should we go to the people for a few minutes?

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Black Sobbyth.

Great name.

That's pretty good.

Why do older cars from the 60s and 70s

seem to be able to get away with the patina look

while cars from the 90s just seem to look rough?

I have an 03 Mustang Cobra with beat ass paint

and my friends give me shit when I call it patina.

I go that's very funny.

I suspect it's because cars in the 60s and 70s

are made of metal and your Mustang is made of plastic.

Yeah, very possibly.

Like paint paint might have been mixed differently.

Yeah, like the chrome era, you know,

patinaing is a good different thing.

When those night curvy 90s cars look beat,

they just they just look tired and shitty.

I wonder if it's also just

we got used to seeing old muscle car things

that had paint coming off,

but we still like the car enough.

So everyone just like, you know,

gives it a pass and it just become a trend.

Huh, yeah.

This is funny.

The toking sire.

I like that.

When trying out different modes and press cars,

how long do you spend in each mode

before you find your favorite?

For instance, I know at least 1 OEM plays tricks

with their sport mode.

And this is an unproven accusation.

But I'd be very interested.

I would like to confidentially know person

in the DMs or however you want to send us

which OEM this is just so I can try it for myself

in their cars and see if this is fascinating.

So I know at least 1 OEM is playing tricks

with their sport mode.

As soon as you engage it,

the damper stiffness goes all the way to max,

but only for the first six seconds

after which this damper setting gradually returns

to a usable siftness which the test drivers signed off on.

This is to give the impression of a wide

adjustability range during a test drive

or to show off to your friends for a moment

besides despite the stiffness having zero handling benefit.

If you give sport mode enough time,

it will feel much closer to normal than you think.

My guess, M5 Toring, this is BMW in the M5 Toring

because I've found in M5 Toring 2.0

that putting the car from comfort into sport

makes the ride better in general.

Interesting.

Don't know why.

We'll talk next show about M5 Toring 2.0.

But I will just say that they did find a problem with the other car.

It wasn't a catastrophic problem,

but there was something not quite right about it.

My Aztec says I've got a 117,000 mile 2012 R8 V8 manual spider.

Fun fact, Audi made less than 100 of these.

Those are very rare and actually very cool.

Yeah, that's fucking cool.

My mag shocks are starting to leak and I can go

coil overs or get remanufactured Audi shocks from a reputable shop in Poland.

Costs are about the same.

What do you recommend I'm leaning towards stock?

I would say stock.

I think that car handles nicely.

I think in terms of you're talking about rarity.

Maybe you care about resale value.

If you liked how the car rode, go back to stock.

You'll get most of that.

You'll get more of your money back from that service

than if you did a coil over.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't think most r8 buyers eventually.

I mean, if you for some reason want an improvement in handling,

high quality coil over is cool.

Fine, but if you are happy with it now, go stock.

Nice cams says when it comes to the M light and half AMG vehicles,

referring to BMW M Sport and the C43 and all those 43s and stuff.

I'm considering an X3 M and GLC63, but it seems like the X3 M40 and GLC43 are enough

and less harsh, especially since on my wife we driving a lot.

I think you're right.

I think for daily driving, you would be happier with the M40 than you would with the M.

I don't think it would make any difference in day-to-day life at all.

Still a very, very quick car, very smooth power band,

the ride is going to be much better than the X3 M.

Yeah.

Sweet and low.

It seems to be a common trope for automotive journalists to bash

Detroit as a place to live and also a place to be a car enthusiast.

Just wondering why that is, have you had a bad experience?

I think you're misreading what we're bashing.

It's a bad place to write about cars because there are no fucking hills

and there are no good race tracks and the weather is bad a lot.

That's why I wouldn't want to live there if my job was to write about cars.

I've met so many great people in Detroit.

It's a fun place to visit.

It's a relatively affordable place to live a nice lifestyle.

There's young people doing cool shit there.

If you like boats, that lake life is fucking sick.

I love the lake life there.

And I know a lot of people that are very happy to live there.

Like, it's not a bad place to live for a lot of reasons,

but it's a garbage place to make content about cars

because there's nowhere pretty or fun to drive them.

Sorry.

Where's the nearest track to Detroit?

You have to go up to track.

Yeah, like road, where's Gingerman?

Gingerman's in South Haven.

So there's Gingerman, there's Road America.

You have Bel Isle once in a while.

That's not fully set up.

There's a, it's called M1 Concourse or something.

There's a private track club in Pontiac.

But there's just, I mean, it's, it's a flat grid.

Like, sorry, I have to go to a track.

There's no like, yeah, there's no roads.

Someone got defensive when I said this and the commision show

and sent me some photo that was supposed to represent a fucking good driving road

and it was dead straight.

It had like a mild elevation in it and I was like,

are you trolling or are you actually trying to describe this to me as being a hill?

Because like, this is a mild rise.

Yes.

Yeah, I love Detroit, though.

It's, it's, it's, it's fun for in its own way.

I've not had a bad experience in Detroit.

But yeah, the January auto show was dumb as fuck.

I think that's, I think that's a big change.

Optimus primus, would you consider charging for one take style videos

to cover the vehicles you're showing for auction?

No, I don't want to do that.

Doug owns the auction site.

So that's why he does that.

I'm, I, if they want to give me shares and fucking bring a trailer,

let's, let's talk, but I don't think they want to do that.

Chris from Colorado, be honest, has the front grill of the M3 and M4 grown on you guys?

It has on me.

No.

I'd say like 5% yes.

When I look at it, I go, oh, it's aggressive.

And then if I look at it longer, I go, man, there's so many other cars

from today that have done a better job.

Looking at Eric's F80 sitting here for a couple of weeks,

like that has grown on me.

Yep.

That's, that's where that car was last pretty.

Yep.

Uh, misfit cyclone.

Best underrated T-top car for the summer.

You ever see a Foxbody T-top?

Very rare.

No, that's pretty cool.

Yeah, they made them for a couple of years

and they are very rare and very cool.

I go like Trans-Am or something like that.

Trans-Am is the traditional.

Yeah, I and I rock.

If you could fucking swing that, that's all right.

What other, what other cars had T-tops?

I mean, it was mostly those 80s era muscle cars that did a T-top.

I don't know.

Is there a complete list of T-tops?

I'm sure there is.

But I don't know a lot of T-top cars.

You're the 10 coolest ever.

Oh, wow.

You're 69 vet T-top?

Like, that's pretty cool.

That's pretty awesome.

Yeah, I would fuck with that.

That vet or an early C-3 vet, to me,

is like a car I regularly think about owning.

But even just sitting in one for five seconds,

I go nope.

Couldn't do it.

What else to do?

Oh, four of the 70s Thunderbird,

Camaro, yeah.

Okay, nothing.

Firebird, yeah.

Suzuki X90.

So that's a full Targer roof, not a T,

but yeah, Corvette.

I mean, weren't that many ago?

Yeah, I would say, I'd have to say,

that's not the Mustang 2 Yuck.

That's terrible.

Oh, those cars have been made.

Be a Ritz.

El Dorado.

Be a Ritz with a T-top.

What?

Holy chassis flex.

That's crazy.

All right.

What else they got?

I would probably have to go,

transam as well.

Is the first gen Audi TTRS any good compared to the new ones?

Well, there really aren't any new ones,

but you mean first gen compared to second gen?

The first gen TTRS is pretty cool because you came in a manual.

So that's the later ones only came in automatic.

So if you wanted to get a manual,

you had to get that one.

We drove a TTRS that was modified by APR

that was like over 600 horsepower

and was so fucking fast.

And it sounded like a Lamborghini.

It was really cool.

That was really cool.

But then we drove the one on drive,

you drove what year was that?

Stock TTRS.

Second gen.

Second gen?

Yeah.

That was a very impressive car.

Yeah, it was fast as hell.

It did really great.

It surprised everybody on the racetrack.

Yeah, but if you want,

you have to do the first gen if you want a manual.

Okay.

I am Dr. Rimulac says,

I've had three Rolexes,

current ones at GMT

and they all run slow maybe five minutes

over a couple of days.

Have you ever had that problem?

This is going to sound very douchey,

but I don't really wear

any one watch long enough to notice problems

that don't pop up in like two days.

You know, all bless you.

All watches should be like,

might be like a few seconds a day.

You know, but I don't know the exact specs

for what Rolex it should be.

But I'm sorry, I don't know the answer.

No, Michael, no.

With car companies fixing things

that aren't broken,

I'm looking at you, digital dipstick.

What feature do you wish caught on that didn't?

What feature caught on what didn't catch on?

I mean, the idea of a clutchless manual lever is awesome.

And then a couple of people,

different companies tried that and it didn't go anywhere.

Conan said it's a magical transmission.

I think the rate if that was everywhere.

Yeah.

What feature I wish.

I mean, I really like the Ionic 5

and the EV with gears.

I think this is a good job.

And I think if there's going to be fun,

still time on that one.

Bob Robb and the whistle tips,

they go, woo, woo.

I've never heard you mention a Subaru EV

a single time on the podcast.

Have you driven a soltera?

I have a very good friend that is a very high level

executive at a Subaru dealer

and got a soltera as his demo car.

And when I tell you the text that I get

about how fucking much he hates this.

I would not look to Subaru selling a rebadged Toyota EV

as a win for them.

I would not be buying Subaru's with those Subaru's.

The Snossberries taste like Stossberries.

That's a larger question.

Some of these I are not one juniors answer on the fly.

Do you?

I don't know what the, what?

Frozen Dingo Berry, Metallica says,

do you know of any watchmakers who sell legit modded sacos?

From what I've heard a lot of the Instagrams,

saco mod companies use fake parts.

Well, they're using aftermarket parts.

I'm not sure, like,

like I've had, I've seen there are saco

modders who build complete watches from aftermarket parts.

If that's what you mean, but like

normally you would know what you're getting.

Like I have a, I have that watch, that black pearl watch

that's, that's, there's not, it's not based on any saco.

It has a saco movement in it, but like

everything, it's a complete aftermarket part thing.

But like, I don't know if, if this,

if he's mean there's some Instagram company

that's like selling a watch with a saco movement

that doesn't have one or is selling a watch

that's advertised as having a genuine saco case

and doesn't have one, like, I've never seen that,

but like, I don't know, I wouldn't do that.

I mean, if that's what, if you want to make sure it's real,

buy a saco and then buy the parts that you want modded

and then go to a local independent watch store

and go put these hands in this bezel and this crystal

on this watch and now you know it's real.

If that's, if that's really a concern.

A second Jay Z has hit the Supra.

It's so funny.

That's really funny.

Yeah.

Given how bad the M5 Torings ride is already,

how much worse will the M5 CSB?

Probably a lot worse, but maybe better.

Maybe better.

It could be better.

The M2, it went M2 good soft, M2 comp to stiff, M2 CS great.

Rye Country Night School, shout out to him.

Did you see the saco Datsun watch collab?

I did.

Don't care about it.

I'm not old enough to give a shit about Datsun's.

Tim A, what would you rather have as a luxury winter ski truck,

Rivian R1T Quad or Porsche Cayenne Turbo?

Between those two, I'd, I wouldn't T Quad.

As long as I don't have to drive too far.

It would, yeah, I mean, it would depend on two things.

One, do you, you have a ski home where you can keep that thing plugged in,

you know, and two, what, if it needs something,

where is your house relative to what you'd have to do with a Rivian to get it fixed?

Sure. I was imagining a vacuum land where I live in the ski town,

the drive to the mountain isn't too far,

yeah, charging, et cetera.

Like from a pure driving perspective,

like having the tie-in turbo, I don't need the turbo.

I could just, I could go Cayenne.

That'd be fine with like a lift kit and something.

But I think the R1T Quad would be also over,

you don't need it to the Quad one.

Yeah, you don't need the Quad to do that.

Yeah, as long as you knew how you'd get it serviced and or fixed and that didn't,

that's what like, when I went to the Yellowstone Club,

these people are all billionaires.

And you know what I just saw?

Fucking tojos as far as the eye could see.

All tojos. Everybody's in a tojo.

Multi-billionaires, just rolling tojos.

Sam let me borrow his like old, his old Range Rover,

just because like that's what he has there,

just like a fucking 10 year old Range Rover.

And that was the only Range Rover I saw,

and I saw like no EVs up there.

But that's because the nearest dealership is a Chevy.

It's just, yeah, I mean, it's just because like that's what's easy for them.

Like they, you know, because they're in the middle of nowhere.

So like if your ski houses in the middle of nowhere,

that could be problematic.

Just get some bits.

In that case, I wouldn't have either one of these options.

Yeah, I don't want to find a Porsche shop either.

For sure.

Yeah.

Well, I know this big brown diesel manual wagon beater.

Is this just one person coming up with all these primus names?

I think it's the same person.

Is it less Claypool actually like a fan?

That would be awesome.

Um, we need to, I mean, here's the thing.

What car?

Oh, it's like a car if you drove a car.

I thought this was a real recommendation.

No.

What would you have to drive across the country

in order to get the most people putting pictures of your car on Instagram?

That's the question.

I think the Wiener Mobile.

I think too many people have seen Wiener Mobiles.

I think like what's that dude that fucking funny redneck guy,

Weston West, the guy, he's like a, he's almost like a,

he's almost like a Whistland diesel.

Okay, he's in that kind of a way,

but he never pivoted to lighting Ferraris on fire.

He stayed straight line redneck.

He just did a build where he flipped the body

on around 180 on a truck and is just driving that bitch around

like backwards and getting pulled over.

And like that's pretty funny.

That was pretty good.

Yeah, the back we're a truck that looks like it's going backwards.

Oh, like what's his face?

The backup pickup, like the Galpin backup.

Yeah, it's a one car exactly like a streetcar.

Yeah, that would work.

German Shepherd Transport E39.

Any tips for making a manual E39 530 as enjoyment,

as enjoyable as possible for mountain roads?

I understand the top of the line, KW suspension,

et cetera, would be awesome,

but I'm mostly interested in value return.

So, so basically the first thing you should do

is make sure that it's as good as it can be,

meaning it's, it's 20 years old, right?

Do you have, do you have good bushings?

That's, start there.

Start there.

Yeah, like first, the first, before you go,

like modify it with some suspension,

like you might find that like restoring it to 100% stock,

new bushings, new shocks, new fucking,

anything that can wear out, put it back to stock

and you might be like, oh, you know,

and have a fabulous handling car.

I think it'd be very comfortable.

I think if I was going to do this

and it sounds like you're open to spending a little money,

I would do all new bushings, keep them soft,

like restore those, and then do like an Olens rodent track

suspension kit, something that's soft

with just a more advanced damper

than what they had back in the day.

And I don't think you need a big break kit.

You could do lines and fluid.

Yeah.

I mean, unless you're driving this shit,

like this really hard, I would just,

the brakes will be fine.

Yeah, pads, fluid lines will get you there.

Yeah, I would just make sure it's as close to,

to the rubber and stuff, it's all doing the right thing.

Your engine and trans mounts, your suspension mounts,

all those connecting bits,

make sure those are all the way they're supposed to be.

Yeah.

Because you get a lot of slop in there.

Yeah, and that'll change.

That could change your alignment, mid cornering,

that could do so many things you don't want.

Yeah.

Three more, and then I have to pay.

Chris from Colorado Thoughts on Glock making watches.

If you seem cool, a lot looked tacky,

you couldn't fucking give me a Glock watch.

I did not know they did this.

I don't, I mean, they, I don't think you can wear

one of these without effectively making

like a political statement.

I mean, they're using a lot of attic movements.

I mean, just, it just, I don't know.

I don't care.

I wouldn't, I wouldn't wear this.

And actually, I really, I really like as far as firearms go.

I really like shooting a Glock.

I'm very accurate with a Glock 17 or a Glock 19.

And if I was going to buy a handgun,

a Glock would be at the top, my list.

I don't want this.

Just me.

I think this color is, it's actually,

it's not a bad color scheme or bad looking watch,

but I just don't want to like wear firearms all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

No, if you think you want this,

what you actually want is a Christopher Ward watch.

Christopher, I just saw them at another watch trade show

I went to.

They're fucking killing it right now.

Chris Ward's designs are sick.

I really am into a bunch of what they're doing.

And they have several watches that come in

that sort of orange, blue color scheme

that, that's called the Bel canto.

That's a chiming watch.

But normally those chiming watches are like $80,000.

And yeah, the C12 is pretty cool.

Go down.

They have a.

And this looks.

Nothing.

These are, like some of those are expensive.

Well, the C12s are, but yeah, but go down.

The ones with the crazy where you can see the movement

on the dial are very expensive or the skeleton ones.

But the ones that have more normal dials

have much more normal price points, $1,200, $1,500.

I mean, these look like fancy watches.

I think the clock watch is trying to be like.

A couple hundred bucks.

Well, I actually don't know it.

But it's definitely trying to be like tactical.

You know, it glows at night and that kind of stuff.

It's like a garbage watch.

You didn't like pull up the comparison

of the Chris Ward with the ones out.

Go back to dive, go go back to watches

and go to like dive watches.

OK, yeah.

I think you probably was.

I was an integrated.

See, yeah, see the Trident.

Trident reef there, 850 with the orange and blue.

That's kind of what I was talking about.

That does look very close.

Right.

It's got a white, a white sort of running track

around the outside, but you kind of get the idea.

Yeah.

So that's what I would, that's what I would get

if you wanted a watch that looked like that.

Sure, though.

So a lot of those, like, I mean, hopefully

the watch is as reliable as their firearm.

That's like essential.

Well, they're buying their movement from somebody.

No one's there.

That's a salita or some kind of movement.

I don't know.

This is our last page.

It's a piece of bat.

Tony Rodriguez, Salgado.

What would you rather?

OK, for fun, daily, weekend, or convertible for 50K,

new Mustang GT or a 991 911 911 911, if it was not

like a bazillion miles and beat up.

I just think the Mustang is a great looking car, the coupe.

I don't think it looks good.

Top up or down is a convertible.

And Sarah Turod won when she was shopping for cars.

And the fit and finish really starts to fall apart

when the top has to go up and down a lot.

That next question doesn't make any sense.

But we'll skip it.

It doesn't make sense.

Check engine light, anthem.

Pretty good.

With the Leno law seemingly about to pass,

is there anything else you'd like to see him

or another well-loved person of influence

put their weight behind in the world of automotive law?

From my understanding, that law was totally

fucking hollowed out and doesn't actually end up

helping really out.

It only helps cars before 1985 or something like that.

So it doesn't help.

And you have to run historic plates on it, I believe.

And I don't think that's, I mean, it's better than nothing,

but it's definitely not the kind of win

that I was hoping for.

I would like to have him or other people get back in there.

I mean, that's for cars that we like.

Yeah.

And I would also like to see, yeah, what else would I,

I mean, I don't know, I, I, I,

I'd love to fucking not have them gut cafe.

That's what I'd actually like.

I would like to have fuel economy standards

that, that fucking march towards a zero emissions future,

even if it's not realistic to get there in 10 years.

That's what I would like to have.

And I'll put my fucking weight behind that.

That's crazy.

Fucking fascists.

Hoopd157 says, what car item collab would you like to see

if the quality of the product was in line

with the quality of the car?

Example Lexus cooking knives with Japanese steel.

Car item collab where the quality would have to be there.

I'd like to see a Ferrari power drill

where the, it was powered by a tiny little Ferrari V8.

That's a good idea.

Yeah.

That's a fun idea.

That would be really fun.

You know, it would be rad, probably impossible,

whatever, Dreamland, like a Damascus steel wheel.

Like if it was a two piece and the spokes were to,

like actually hand hammered Damascus steel

if I take 18 years to make.

I would very much like to rip a Porsche tube, a bong.

What?

Like a Porsche makes that hookah, the Porsche design hookah.

Yeah.

They're like you can smoke weed out of,

but it's not optimized for it for that.

It's optimized for Shisha.

Like that, like you can smoke weed out of it

and should in fact, and like why else would you buy

a Porsche design bong?

But I'd like to see the Germans re-engineered.2,

bong.2, see what they can really do.

Yes, designed for the optimum THC delivery to the dome.

I feel like we get enough THC.

I feel like the weed has enough THC.

No, we do.

I just want to see what Porsche can do.

Gotcha.

Okay.

They improved the intake of the THC by 27%.

Maybe they'd get rid of like more of the carbon

that you ingest when smoking it.

Yeah, the smoke is actually clean as an air.

Right, exactly like TROS.

Yeah.

Last one, granny shifting, not double clutching like you should.

I think you remember joking a while back

that you're now a D-list celebrity.

Now that you're famous,

granted you access to A, B, and C-list celebrity

car enthusiasts, do you enjoy talking to famous people

or to regular people or is there no generalization

that could be made?

I hate regular people.

I can't stand their stories.

Um, I like talking to famous people

as long as there's something to talk about.

I don't want it to be an interview, you know,

but if you're hanging out, there's a good,

there's a buffer, you're in a small group,

three, four, and stories are flying,

and you know, that's, that's nice.

I've been fortunate enough that the famous people

that I've met in a lot of cases,

like sort of knew who I was

so I was like a little pre-approved maybe.

But like, no, interesting people are good.

You know, sometimes people are famous

cause they're interesting.

Exactly.

Sometimes they're famous for a different reason.

Sure.

Also, you know, the other way,

sometimes people you've never heard of

are the most interesting people ever.

I think some of the, a lot of the interesting people

are famous people like that you know

and I know sort of are like,

if they're comedians, they're famous for talking.

Yeah.

So they're good storytellers and there's like,

they love banter, they're like doing bits and joking around.

And so that makes it interesting.

But if someone was like,

someone could be the most famous guitar player in the world.

And if they are just super focused on that

and like, I'm not a musician,

we might not actually have a lot to talk about.

And so there could be this weird thing.

So I don't care that they're famous

because there needs to be a vibe

that we need to get along.

Well, and also like,

fame is really relative sometimes.

Like dude, Zach hangs out with these people

like you're a Burning Man friends.

Yeah.

Who they're nerdy famous.

They're nerdy famous.

But like the vast majority of the universe

probably couldn't pick these people out of a crowd.

And most people that are in tune with pop culture

have also never fucking heard of these people.

But you showed me they're on an arena tour right now.

They're selling out arenas to play...

Dungeons and Dragons, okay.

So like, you know, in the arena,

these are fucking, this is Keith Richards.

It's like my mind.

But like, have you hung out with them

anywhere but Burning Man?

Of course.

And mostly invisible, right?

Oh, I got in public.

Yeah, mostly we went to dinner.

I went to dinner with two of them.

And at the restaurant,

no one knew who they were except like,

but then one waiter really knew who they were.

And it was very nice and stuff.

So it's that's basically me.

Yeah, that's basically me.

Outside of a car show or anything,

absolutely nobody of consequence whatsoever.

But every once in a while,

a valet parker or a waiter is an enormous fan.

Kind of, right?

That's a nice level of famous, pretty much.

Sometimes it gets you sick.

And regarding normal people,

there was a guy at the Houston show

who was like a nuclear engineer in an AV

and then a nuclear engineer

and he downplayed all of it and his wife goes,

he's a nuclear engineer.

I was fascinated because he lived in a submarine

and then he built these things

and now he's got these cars

and he's the only person I've heard ever say

that Audi's don't require a lot of maintenance.

And then I was like, oh, that's because your brain

is used to building a nuclear reactor.

So the standards of the Eisenhower,

he said, he said he had a B5S4 once

and I went, oh man, they have so many problems.

He goes, no, you just have to do the maintenance.

And then he described the maintenance,

he was not referring to oil changes.

He's like, you just changed this timing chain

a couple of times, you do all these things

because his brain can handle that stuff.

So I was fascinated by talking to that guy

because I thought his life story was cool.

Sure.

And I'm not sure if the question is,

if we're talking about casual conversation

or if we're talking about on the podcast.

On the podcast, the enjoyment is always someone

who has something interesting to say, you know,

to teach us or whatever.

That's not necessarily in line

with what is successful for a podcast.

But it's definitely novel and fun

to sit down with a celebrity

that you've seen in something or a lot of things

and to learn that they're actually pretty cool

and like a mostly a regular person

which happens more often than it doesn't happen.

A lot of times in LA, there's people

that were like huge in the 90s

and now they're kind of like kind of nobody

and you can meet those people

and they're the fucking mellowest, coolest folks.

They're happy you remember them.

You know, anyway, that's our show folks.

Thank you very much.

I hope you have enjoyed this hour

in 40 minutes of radio, aiming to add Zach.

We'll be back next time.

We'll talk about the M5.2, M5 Review.2

and this G-Wagon thing from Arcade

that I'm driving over the weekend,

sort of a Resto-Moddy G-Wagon thing

from the 80s, from like rushers.

Yeah, kind of nuts.

And yeah, more smoke entire podcast soon.

See you guys, bye.

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