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Good Saturday morning to you.

Welcome back to another edition of CCO's Car Care Show.

Your chance to get some free information,

some advice from Nick Stoffel,

who is an ASC certified technician

who runs a place called Lloyd's Automotive

on beautiful Grand Avenue in St. Paul.

Nick, good morning to you.

Good morning, Denny.

How are things?

How was the week at Lloyd's?

I assume busy, always busy.

Yeah, we're fortunate to stay pretty busy, obviously.

It's funny, I got a phone call this week

from my friend, Rick Montero,

who's our AAA representative,

and he said he had something for me

and I had a meet with him and he came by

and he presented us with the 25th year anniversary

of having that partnership with AAA.

So we got a nice little plaque

that we got mounted on the wall in the office there.

And he said, it's like the fifth

he's ever handed out.

We're pretty proud of that.

If you think about it, it's been a long time

and they've been a good partner

and we've been doing what we do for,

I've been there since 1998,

so however many years that is.

But it's something to be proud of.

We've sustainability, the hard work,

all the people that are involved with that

and being partners with AAA's done both of us very well.

That's kind of forgotten about there,

your relationship with AAA.

That's a congratulations, that's quite a coup.

And of course you've got a lot of fans anyway

that are usually called customers

and they've been turned into fans for sure.

I know that personally.

Well, congratulations, that's good going.

Well deserved, as they say.

All right, if you again have a car care question now,

keep in mind, I always like to say this,

call in, text in sooner rather than later,

our time goes by so quickly.

Nick takes his leave about 7.45

to get Ted Ferrell's wine chat in time.

So by all means, don't wait.

Call us, text us, 651-461-9226.

As usual, as I mentioned last week,

Nick, any leftovers that we didn't get to,

any text messages that we didn't have time,

we ran out of time we'd always like to pick up

on the next week's show.

Here are a few.

Here's one.

Boy, we got this this time of year two.

I will be parking my 2013 Mustang for the winter soon.

What should I do to the vehicle to have it parked

for the next six months?

Yeah, six months.

What, to keep it nice and cozy, what would,

what do you recommend?

Well, I guess we want to make sure

all the fluids are topped off, tires are full.

If you have the option to remove the battery,

if it's an outside environment

where it's going to meet those cold temperatures,

the battery would appreciate a controlled climate.

You know, also if you can bring the battery

and put it in your basement, if you can't,

if there's a way to put a maintainer,

a little battery tender on that, that'll help.

But, you know, short of that, you know,

try to keep it away from any critters,

any rodents that might find its way into it.

You know, those types of things help obviously go a long ways.

But just keeping the, you know, make sure the fluids

are topped up, you know, maybe fresh oil,

full tank of gas, and unfortunately

you won't see it for six months, right?

So, put it away nice and clean

and, you know, you'll see it in the spring.

For those that don't want to go to the bother

of taking out the battery and all that stuff,

and they park it, maybe they're lucky enough

to have a heated garage.

Whatever the case may be, would you ever recommend

during the next six months that this car is in storage

to start it, or does that do more damage

than getting it out in the road

and, you know, working it out for an hour or so?

You know, everyone has their opinion,

it's just my opinion.

I think the start of the vehicle

doesn't do much if you can't drive it

because you really need to get everything warmed up,

heated up, exercised.

If you start the vehicle, let it run for a few minutes,

that condensation from running the vehicle

is going to collect in the exhaust,

more potential for moisture,

which is more potential for maybe some rust.

You know, and if it's a vehicle,

you want to keep that clean,

you obviously don't want to be out on the roads

when there's salt on them.

So, I would probably, I'd probably advise against that.

I think if you get that battery tender on there,

you put it away nice and clean,

you know, set the alarm clock for April,

whatever it is, and, you know,

when that day comes, take it out and go for a spin.

Let's talk a little bit about that battery tender.

I'm not sure if we talked about that last week or not,

but when I was in Deloitte's, a week or two ago,

I was talking to one of your mechanics about that.

And he recommended, don't,

if you have a vehicle that you don't start that often,

and you want to use a battery tender,

and when I'm finished there,

you can tell me what a battery tender is.

But he suggested, don't leave it on

for a long, lengthy periods of time.

Get out and drive the vehicle if you can.

And he tried to explain to me

that you leave a battery tender on too long.

It does something to the battery.

And I'm not sure what he was talking about.

Well, the batteries need to be cycled,

meaning that, you know, that discharge, recharge,

cycle, the battery's important to keep it in its longevity.

We'll put it, now, obviously,

over the winter months, if you have that classic vehicle

or the one that's your spare vehicle

that's only for that Sunday drive, convertible,

whatever you have there,

I think having that battery tender,

which what it does is it keeps the battery topped off.

It's not really a charger, per se.

It's only maybe put in an amp or less of batteries

to keep it, you know, like it's topped off.

Now, leaving that on there,

and definitely, you know,

can shorten that duty cycle, that life of that battery.

So it's something that you don't want to,

this, you know, set it and forget about it.

But obviously over the winter months,

if you have that classic vehicle

you don't want to be driving around on the road with,

it'll work just for that.

Sometimes I feel like that's how they were invented

is for that vehicle that you only drive

periodically, you know, a couple thousand miles a year.

Obviously nothing in the winter months,

you know, because we have our cold winters.

So you can install that.

And the biggest thing is gonna remember it,

when you go to start the vehicle, it's plugged in.

So don't drive back out of that garage with it plugged in.

You end up with a car falling you down the road.

That's a good point.

They do a good job of keeping that battery topped off.

It's not a permanent thing.

It's not a battery charger.

So if your battery has gone dead,

that's not gonna do the job.

It's just a maintenance thing.

I guess that's the best way to put it.

Battery maintainer, we'll call it.

Sure helped me last winter with my wife's vehicle

that she really drives.

Good morning, Denny and Nick.

Texter says I have a 2016 Honda Pilot.

The ignition switch needs to be pushed multiple times

to start the car.

Do you think it can be changed out easily?

Well, in the ignition switch,

in its own isn't complicated if it's a push start one.

You know, if it's ignition switch behind that,

if it's still like a key type vehicle,

we had to cycle the cylinder.

That could be a little more complicated.

Obviously, you can look online,

find a repair manual, find that procedure.

If you have the proper tools in the know-how,

as always, I love the fact that we have so many listeners

that work on their own vehicles.

But if you don't have the know-how or the proper tools,

don't create a bigger problem for yourself

because we do see that from time to time.

I think we just had one in here

where they had a, I can't remember the making model,

but they had a timing chain issue

and they try to take it on themselves.

And unfortunately, if you don't have the right tools

to get everything lined up,

it doesn't go back together lined up.

And that became a bigger problem

for those folks than they intended.

So if you don't have the know-how or the proper tools,

leave it to the professionals, that being said,

if you're a do-it-yourselfer, by all means,

follow the procedure, you know.

We don't always like to read the instructions

or the manual, but take that extra few moments

and follow those procedures.

I'm sure you can tackle that task.

Well, as Nick knows, you don't have to be a motorhead

or a do-it-yourselfer to join in on the show.

If you have any kind of a car care question, any kind,

keep in mind that Nick will be taking his leave around 7.45,

so let's hear from you as we head into this break.

Call us or text us, whichever is easier.

651-461-9226.

From News Talk 830W, CCO, stay with us.

And welcome back.

CCO's car care show here every Saturday.

We're right after the seven o'clock news break.

Thanks to Nick Stoffel from Lloyd's Automotive

returning every week to help our listeners out.

I know they appreciate it.

I do as well.

Call us or text us with your car care question, any kind.

651-461-9226.

Let's grab another text.

Good morning.

Text just says, I have an older car, 2011,

that does not have the sensors for lane changing,

backup, pedestrian, forward warning, those things.

Are there companies that can install

an aftermarket system like those?

That would be interesting if they could.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

I mean, you'd have to do some research and ask around.

I've not seen that.

There are some outfits that will do some

of those accessories, heated seats and such,

but some of that lane change

and some of those safety features,

those are really kind of designed

into the manufacturing of the vehicle.

So it might be kind of a hard

after the fact add on type opportunity,

but I would look online, look around.

You can find almost anything and everything these days.

So I would, but I'd also caution you,

I would do a lot of research before I would get into that

because I just don't think that to have that system work

as their design is very complex.

And as an add on feature,

I'm not sure it would work quite that well.

I'm thinking, where would you drill hole in the bumpers?

Well, that's where our sensors are.

A lot of those sensors are

than the wiring harnesses and the computer.

So there's a lot that goes into it

that we don't realize.

I would caution if I would do an add on type of project like that.

Well, whatever your need is, automotive wise,

if you have problems

and you'd love to check out Lloyd's Automotive,

tell us, Nick, how do we find you guys?

Yeah, and as you know, Denny,

we're at 982 Grand Avenue,

which is two blacks east of Lexington Parkway.

That being said, if you have a question,

need some advice, we will always help you.

You can call us at 651-228-1316.

And if you don't mind checking out our website,

that's LloydsAutomotive.net.

And we'll get you that info before Nick takes his leave,

about 7.45 or so, if you missed it to this time around.

Looking at a text that came in a bit ago,

2006 Buick Lucerne, you're gonna have to help me with this one.

No communication with the ECM,

both fuse boxes test good.

Communication to BCM and ABS mod good.

Could not find breaks or faults in the wiring harness,

tried different ECM, but cannot program different ECM

because no communication there.

Any idea what to look for next?

What is this person talking about?

The ECM is the engine control module,

the BCM, the body control module.

You know, the interface, the communication

behind the scenes is what they're talking about.

And having access or, you know,

the ability to plug in your scan

to communicate with that is critical.

If you're not able to communicate with it

and you switch it, okay, so we've kind of,

and had the same result, no communication,

we can kind of maybe rule out that item.

I still think wiring, you know,

there's a connection problem somewhere, a fuse,

you know, those types of things can obviously throw us

for a curve ball, you know, we've done this a long time

and, you know, we'll get down this rabbit hole

trying to find this really odd wiring problem

coming to find it was the fuse and sometimes, you know,

oh, it checked good, well, get a new one

and still put it in and see how it works.

That being said, a lot of times,

ECMs might have multiple fuses that feed power to it too.

So, you know, it's one of those deals

where we print out the wiring diagram

laid across the toolbox, you know,

it could be, you know, six, eight, 10 pages even.

And you just go to each individual circuit

and prove it out.

Time consuming, but sometimes, you know,

there's no shortcut, you gotta kind of, you know,

roll up your sleeves and go step-by-step

and hopefully figure out what's going on there.

Do that detective work, yeah.

Nicholas, grab a phone called Linda

is calling in from, I believe, Lakefield this morning.

Thanks, Linda.

What is your question for Nick?

My question is, I have a 3012 Dodge Jamie

and I've had it into the stock several times,

two, maybe three for them to check

why my heater isn't producing heat

on the passenger side of the vehicle

after about an hour's drive.

And I don't think they knew that it was timed

that way because whenever I brought it in,

I just said, the heat's not working on the passenger side

but it's working on the driver's side.

So I'm bringing it in in two weeks

and I'm wondering if you have any hints

for these engineers down there at the body shop

or the mine shop where I'm taking it.

Well, I think the story that you shared with us

is the first step, you know,

we always say that as much information as you can share,

you know, a certain drive cycle,

driving habits, you know,

certain circumstances that we can duplicate.

So if the fact that the car has to be driven

for a period of time,

even if you let the vehicle run

or, you know, if you call them and say,

hey, I'm coming in this week, I have an appointment,

this is a situation that happens only

if the car has been driven for an hour.

So maybe you can, you know,

set it up where you can drive the car

for a long period of time.

Once you get to the shop, it's already been driven.

Maybe somebody can take it from there,

go for the drive and, you know,

bring their thermometer, their test equipment,

try to figure out why that heat

is giving out on the passenger side.

If it's been driven for an hour,

obviously it's warmed up.

So we can check that off the list.

We start to wonder about some of those control items, you know,

some, a lot of vehicles have

driver passenger side controls for temperature.

Maybe something for one of those actuators

has kind of given out so that that flap

or that door is closing,

not letting the hot air through

to the passenger side of the vehicle.

You know, there's a couple of variables like that

where if you can share that with them,

once again, ahead of time,

you have the vehicle warmed up,

you've driven for a good portion of that time.

They can hop in the vehicle, finish that drive cycle,

have their testing equipment with them

or available to them,

so they can kind of make quick work of it.

Very good.

Nick, I'm looking at a text for a 2015 GMC Acadia.

My parking brake no longer works.

I depress the pedal fully and feel no tension.

If I park on a slope, put it in neutral,

it will not hold at all.

What might the repair be there?

Well, those parking slash emergency brakes

are temperamental, because we don't use them

and you might say, oh, I use it often,

but it's not like the mechanical brakes

that you might depress that pedal

a hundred times on a drive.

Those parking brakes get set once every couple of weeks,

once every couple of months, or never, to that matter.

I mean, most of us don't ever use it

and the difficulty is that the levers,

the cables, those mechanisms can now get stretched,

get worn, kind of seize up even.

So if you're having an issue with that,

next thing you have the vehicle in,

they can inspect it, depending on the make and the model,

depends on how the parking brake is designed.

A lot of new vehicles actually have

electronic parking brakes that will set

when every time we park the vehicle,

so they could exercise more,

so they will stay lubricated and functional.

So if yours isn't working,

the last thing I wanna have you do

is keep trying to keep working

and have it get stuck on,

which is even worse

because now you have to have the vehicle towed.

So if yours is not working,

you're a person that wants to use

your parking brake from time to time,

when you're in at your shop,

mention that to them,

they can kind of disassemble, lubricate, clean,

repair whatever's not pivoting or applying properly.

All right, very good.

Nick, let's take a break for that forecast.

We'll come back, we'll pick up on more calls

and more text questions.

Any kind of a car crash question,

we'd love to hear from you.

Keep in mind, Nick will be with us

till just about 7.45.

Call us, text us, 651-461-9226

from Newstalk A3.

Of course, this is WCCO.

Good morning, welcome back.

CCO's Car Care Show,

dining along here along with

ASC certified technician, Nick Stoffel

from Lloyd's Automotive in St. Paul.

If you have a car care question,

love to hear from you.

You can phone it in, you can text it in,

whichever is easier.

One number will get you either.

651-461-9226.

All right, let's see how many texts

we can help folks out here

before you take your leave.

Here's a 2019 Pacifica.

Has an auxiliary battery light on,

so the start, stop feature is not working,

which I'm fine with

because I find that feature annoying.

Texture says, are there any other issues

I have to worry about

if I don't get the auxiliary battery replaced?

You know, there's a lot of different features

that might operate off that battery.

Obviously, the start, stop is the main,

not every vehicle with start, stop has auxiliary battery.

I feel like a lot of times

that the manufacturers are working kind of through that.

There's some makes and models that have

a completely different battery setup as it is.

So, you know, that feature,

I know we consider it annoying.

However, it does make a difference

with your fuel economy.

It makes a huge difference with emissions.

And the way it works is, you know,

you can do a stop, light, stop sign

where you're sitting there momentarily.

The vehicle shuts off, the light turns green,

or it's your turn to go.

You take your foot off the brake,

apply it to the gas,

the vehicle fires back up and goes.

We've learned over the years of, you know,

of the emissions that there's a significant amount

of the emissions are emitted at idle, at stop.

So, if we can minimize that,

it's really good for the environment.

So, I know it can be annoying,

but I do think it's a good emissions control item.

I would suggest that you get the battery in place

and use the vehicle as design.

You know, I don't like to take things

and make them different than they were built

because you never know what the side

or the other effects can have

on other parts of the vehicle.

So, I would get that battery placed,

run it as designed, you know,

you'll, we'll adapt, you know.

It's a, it's a featured,

a lot of like the, the lanus

are some of the parking stuff

and some of the beeps and warnings are there

for our safety and for our, for the, for the environment.

So, I think it's a good thing to get working

and, you know, you should get that battery done

and drive it as it, as it was designed.

As it was designed, yeah.

Good morning, Texas says the tire pressure light stays on

and my shop said all the batteries are good

in the sensors.

What else could be wrong?

We hear this from time to time.

We do, you know, and, you know,

it's another one of those features, you know,

it's, you know, it can be annoying,

but you know, nobody owns a tire pressure gauge anymore.

So, the fact that we can't check our tire pressures

and make sure they're correct,

we should have the vehicle do that for us.

And if that light is on, my suspicion is

that one of the sensors of the battery might be good,

but maybe it's not programmed

or mated with the vehicle.

So, you go back to your shop,

you should have a handheld tool

that they could walk around to each,

each one of those wheels and make sure

that they are programmed and it's connected to the vehicle.

Just because it has a good battery

doesn't mean it's connected.

So, the fact that the light is still on

tells me that one of them is not communicating

to the car so the car doesn't see it.

So, therefore, the warning light is on.

You know, one of the things we've discovered,

you have, and we've talked about it

from time to time, not in all cases,

but in some vehicles,

there's a tire pressure sensor on the spare.

Yes, that will even trip us up from time to time.

You know, you're like, well, they're all connected,

they're all reading, everything's good,

why's the light on?

And then you say, oh yeah,

there's a spare on the back of the vehicle

and there are some makes and models

where there is a sensor in that full-size spare

and all those space saver spares won't have that,

but a full-size spare tire oftentimes will.

So, you have to make sure

that you check all five tires in those cases.

Here's one of those electronic things

that could be more detective work,

but it's a 2015 Sonata was totally dead.

Dexter says, I took the battery out,

took it in to be checked, brand new battery,

and it was fine, put it back in,

and the car started fine.

Any idea why it didn't for that period of time?

Any guesses?

Well, the only thing that we changed was the connection

where the battery was connected to the vehicle,

that positive and negative terminal.

I suspect there wasn't a good connection there.

When you're installing the battery,

you have to make,

if it's a top-post battery

where the, you know,

those terminals are sticking out the top of the battery,

you have to make sure that that mating surface is clean,

make sure when you put the terminal on,

it's fully seated to the base of the battery,

and it's properly snugged up and tight

that those cables aren't moving.

I suspect either one of the cables wasn't tight

or wasn't fully seated,

therefore not making good connection.

We don't have good connection, we don't have any power.

So that's something that we want to be very mindful of.

If we are replacing our own battery,

you know, it's a perfect do-it-yourself-or-type job,

be able to make sure that those terminals are clean,

the cables are clean, and they're fully installed,

nice and snug.

Okay.

Tess, I'm reading another one about a battery tender.

If I hook an on-board battery tender

to remote positive post and ground on engine,

will I charge the battery?

Yeah, keep in mind,

the only way to get the full effect

is directly at the battery.

Every time you have a connection or remote situation,

every time there's a connection,

you lose a little bit of that power

because it has to bridge that gap.

So, yes, it will help, it will work.

It might not have the same effect

or the full effect of that full tender,

but it will probably do the job.

But just keep in mind that every time you have a connection,

you lose a little bit of that power,

so you might not have to full one amp

or whatever it is that's making way back to the battery.

I had a couple of texts that involved questions about brakes.

This text is a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser.

When it sits in the garage for more than a couple of days,

the brakes squeak when used for the first couple of stops.

Is that normal?

I have 10,000 miles on it.

It is normal, you know, my truck's a year old

and I'll have that two-foot-sits for a day or two.

You know, I don't like to use the word rust,

we'll call it corrosion,

a little bit of build-up surface corrosion

on those brake rotors and those brake pads,

so when you go to a drive the vehicle,

the first stop or two,

you're kind of cleaning up that little bit

and there's no damage, no harm.

You know, it's one or two stops, the noise is gone,

that's the extent of it, don't worry about it.

You know, a lot of times the materials

that we're using in our brake pads and brake rotors

is actually better because it lasts

a lot longer than they used to,

so if that's the trade-off that your brakes last 60,

70, maybe in some cases 80,000 miles,

that if it sits for a day or two

or under really heavy humidity or moisture,

you might have a little squeak the first stop or two,

it's a fair trade-off, so that's normal,

I wouldn't worry about it.

Another kind of related to that one

is, well it's kind of a long paragraph,

but it's basically squeaks,

when the weather's cold, basically he or she is asking,

can my brakes squeak, they go away right away,

but in cold weather, does that make a difference?

Same idea, you know, the brake rotors bare metal,

the temperature change will create some condensation,

a little bit of surface corrosion, like I like to say,

and the first stop or two,

you're cleaning that surface up,

there's no damage there, there's no harm there,

it can be very normal, people will from time to time

call and say, hey, my brakes are squeaking,

but then it goes away and it's just that,

the car is set outside, we have obviously

always fluctuating temperature and humidity,

so that little bit of moisture will create some corrosion,

a stop or two goes away, it's gone, it's fine.

Now, if it's like, it's always squeaking,

well, that's telling us that something might be worn out,

so there's a difference, it goes away or it doesn't go away,

if it goes away, don't worry about it,

if it's like, no, it's always there,

that's the car telling you something's worn out.

All right, now the text, I think we have time for,

listeners says, what should I know about buying

a spare smart key for a 2016 Acura ILX,

there are so many price points online,

what's the deal with that?

You know, you always have to be careful

what you buy online, obviously my safe answer is,

I'd buy it from the manufacturer,

therefore you'd know it's designed

and made for the vehicle, it's gonna work properly,

I'm sure there are aftermarket versions

that work well also, but it's your spare key,

you want it to work when you need it, right?

So, I think it's maybe an extra few dollars

to buy the original manufactured key fob there,

but it's probably worse the price of the mission

because the fact is that when you need it,

if it doesn't work, you're gonna be frustrated,

so spend an extra couple of dollars

to buy the one that was designed specifically

for that vehicle by the manufacturer,

that way you'll know it will work when you need it.

Then we have time for one more,

the text wants to know, is looking online

at wiper blades, and they're so expensive here, she says,

but is it worth the money to spend on a good wiper?

Does it pay, you get what your pay is for?

You absolutely get what you pay for,

and I used to joke, you know,

wipers are one of those things that slowly deteriorate

and we don't realize it, and then, you know,

people will come in, those wipers are just, you know,

because this is the time we start checking them

with the winder coming up and such,

and we're, you know, a little more adamant

about replacing them, and that I always say,

well, let me replace the passenger side one for you,

and you let me know how it goes,

because people don't realize how they do deteriorate,

and that smearing, you know,

they're not supposed to smear, they're supposed to clear,

and if that squeegee's not clearing the glass,

you can't see under the,

in those moments when you need to see,

so there is a lot of different price points.

Wiper blades have evolved, you know,

they used to be, you know,

you could replace the little blade itself,

now for the most part, it's like a beam blade,

so it's a flexible piece of plastic with rubber on it,

and honestly, they work so much better,

they last longer, you don't have to worry

about the ice and snow, if you're old enough,

you can remember when you get that little ice and snow

stuck in your wiper, and part of it

was clearing the windshield, and there was a big streak

in the middle, well, with the new blades out there,

we don't have that problem anymore,

so that's another example where, you know,

it's a couple extra dollars, it's well worth the price

to get a good quality wiper blade

to make sure you can see going down the road,

especially when winter hits.

Well, let's talk some more about this next week, Nick,

what do you say, and folks that need the help

of Lloyd's Automotive, how do we find you?

Yes, sir, you can always call us,

you can reach us at 651-228-1316,

we will always answer your questions

or help you with some advice.

If you're in St. Paul on Grand Avenue, stop and say hi,

we're at 982 Grand Avenue, like I mentioned,

that's two blocks east of lessons of Parkway,

and you can find all that information more

at our website, which is LloydsAutomotive.net.

All right, Nick, have a good week,

let's do this again next week.

Sounds good, thanks, Denny.

Nick Salfall from Lloyds Automotive.

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