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Hello, and welcome to this car pod.

I'm Kenan.

I'm Doug.

And I'm Nick.

Whoa, and Kenan is dressed up today.

Yes, it's Halloween.

It's Halloween, everybody.

I'm wearing my Senna costume.

And Kenan is Senna today, his personal hero.

But he's finished the race and he's changed into his hat.

Yes, one of the great ironies.

He was very fast.

I'm very slow.

True.

Okay.

We have a lot to discuss today.

It's Halloween.

We have a spooky podcast.

Ooh.

I want tricks.

No, I'm kidding.

We have a normal podcast.

Give us the first news.

This is the biggest news story of the week, unquestionably, Subaru in Japan in Tokyo

has previewed a new STI concept car.

Did you see this?

That's interesting because they said they weren't going to make an STI version

of the current WRX, correct?

I think that that was said, and it certainly has been true so far, right?

The new WRX came out in 21.

At the end of 21 is when I reviewed it.

And it has been a pretty, I love the new WRX, but it's been a bit of a letdown in the sense

that they didn't do a hatchback, they didn't do a wagon and they didn't do an STI.

True.

This is all of those.

It's got the box fenders.

I love that rear arch treatment there.

It's a giant wing.

It's in the correct color for a WRX.

And it is a manual transmission and a hatchback.

At this same ono show, Subaru also previewed an electric hatchback concept car thing and

they said this is the future of our STI brand, but I think I speak for all of us when I say

that I hope that this is the future of the STI brand.

The only thing electric in this car is going to be the vape pen.

We do not need an EV.

I have to say, I have been a little bit disappointed with Subaru's decision here.

For one thing, not to do the hatchback, Subaru has did the hatchback the last

in 2011, 2012.

It wasn't a huge seller and they said, okay, we're done.

We're just going to do sedans.

That's what the American market wants, which I think there was a time when that was true.

However, since then Audi RS6 has come back as a hatchback.

The E63 wagon now outsells the sedan.

The GR Corolla has shown up and been a big success.

Since Subaru made this decision, the Focus and the Fiesta ST both came and went and

they were quite popular.

Those cars got ditched for reasons beyond how the success of the performance model.

And I think that there's a real business case for going back to the hatchback situation.

I would say they could dominate an unfulfilled niche right now.

So it's a very good time to bring it back.

It's not entirely unfulfilled because we have the GR Corolla, we have the Golf R, but this

would be a good competition of those cars.

Now, it can't have this wing.

Well, it can't, but it will later on anyway.

People will take inspiration from this and eBay, they will put these on them anyway.

That's true.

It can't come out of the factory like this, even though we know this is what people

are going to do.

I got to tell you, it's also this, the hatchback thing is important too because

Subaru, it's a lot of Americans don't realize this, but Subaru does sell the new WRX in virtually

every other overseas market as a hatchback and it's called either the Lavorg or the WRX

Sportsback or various things.

I even looked it up.

I was looking it up today.

They sell it in Chile and Peru.

Chile gets it, but we don't.

They just made this product planning decision.

All Americans don't like hatches right as the hatch was, it was like the XTERRA.

It's like right as the hatch started to take off, they were like, we're done.

They always have like a five year latency.

They're just behind like, exactly what we want.

Do you think it is that they don't think there's demand or is it a regulatory or otherwise

compliance related?

No, I mean, they sell the Crosstrek, which is a lifted version.

So like there's, what's the issue with, you already make the powertrain.

I'm not even necessarily asking for an STI, although it'd be cool, obviously this car.

But even a WRX wagon, I think going back to that would be really cool.

Those are my favorite WRXes from the old days.

But this is incredible.

I mean, this really is the STI that we've all wanted for many, many, many years.

It's been five years since there was an STI.

So Subaru, if you're listening, do it, bring it here.

It'd be cool.

I think it'd be cool.

I think it would succeed.

Subaru abandoned STI, I have a suspicion because that's not what they wanted their brand

to be in the US.

They were going after the Forester and the Outback and the families and the dog people

and Costco shoppers.

But like, let's do this.

Like they're so well known for it and it's so beloved.

And apparently this has a flat four, a turbo flat four.

And it is a good example of like a halo car.

So when people do get the boring Foresters and Presas, they can at least think, oh,

it's a performance car.

It's used for rallies.

Like it seems silly to like have such an obvious halo and not.

I agree.

They have an obvious halo.

STI has been the halo for so many years.

It was such a big deal.

And then they just kind of left it.

And what's even weirder is now they're previewing a concept version.

It's like, OK, are you abandoning this or are you going to do it?

If I were them, I'd be doing like 22Bs and like going all in on that.

But if we're not going to get that, an STI is a no.

And they did that.

There was the S209, which was like a $70,000 in Preza.

It's just, it's so weird to me that they preview this as a concept.

It doesn't really seem concept-y.

It seems like a production car.

Maybe they knew they were going to do this all along and they were like waiting for the later

model years of the WRX to like get people excited about that.

But it's been years.

I mean, you would think they would have done that like the year after or the next year

or something like that.

Yeah, but it's kind of falls in the end of the product cycle thing, if that's really

what they're going for.

Typically STIs have not been that though.

The O2 WRX was the first WRX in the States and they had an STI by 04.

That was the very beginning where they weren't even sure if the WRX would be

a hit and they came to just two years later with the STI.

This would be five years later.

I love this.

People live from product strategies, but I really hope that they build it and I

hope it comes to that.

And we need the box fenders.

I hope so too.

I think the fenders are really cool.

Maybe they're seeing what GR Corolla can do or has done and they're interested

in being a part of that.

Manual transmission.

I'm seeing people in GR Corollas that don't look like enthusiasts.

Can I just posit that that's because it's probably not a GR Corolla but you've

mistaken a Corolla.

No, no, no, no.

Regular Corolla.

The three exhausts and the little Gazoo racing thing.

I know my Toyota.

Sure.

I'm a Toyota truck guy.

Sure.

Toyota truck guy.

In what way?

I admire Land Cruisers from a distance.

You know, there's a short going around right now of you saying that people who buy

Tacomas hate America.

They do.

I mean, no.

It's very unclear.

Let me just tell you what.

They don't have cowboy holders in their dashboards.

But we haven't talked about that yet.

I know, but we're going to.

Okay.

The next big news story.

I think one of the biggest news story of the week, General Motors announced

this week that an eyes-off version of Super Cruise is coming.

That's a huge deal.

That's a very big deal.

Super Cruise, of course, is their self-driving or they want to say driver assist.

But at this point, we can start calling it self-driving, I think.

And the video previewing this is the photo.

There's a woman watching TV as her escalate IQ drives down the street.

Wow.

And I love Super Cruise and I think it works wonderfully.

And I think that the big drawback is that you have to always be looking forward.

Have you guys used any of these systems?

No.

You know what I'm monitoring?

If you look down at your phone for even two seconds, it's like...

And it's like, well, the whole point of this is so that I can be on my phone, right?

Right.

For be honest.

Isn't that like why we're trying to do driver assist?

You would think.

Yeah.

Yes.

For most people, yes.

I would say that's it.

The fact that this is a possibility and they're seeing a couple more years, 28, that's

really appealing.

Are there no regulatory hurdles around this that they had to clear?

The question is that the primary regulatory hurdle is that they have to then accept liability

in the case of accidents.

Which seems scary.

But remember how Super Cruise works.

It only works on mapped roads.

So it doesn't...

You can't just turn it on.

It only works on roads that they themselves have mapped out.

And so with that in mind, they probably have a pretty good knowledge of, hey, because

it's really only freeways and some higher speed like state highways and US highways.

More open.

Yeah.

It's not like you can just do it in the city.

GM won't take liability for that, I assume.

But if you're on the five, they know how it turns.

Nothing is new about these freeways.

Right.

And it's more predictable what's going to happen as opposed to streets where their kids

running around in soccer balls or squirrels or whatever.

Yeah.

I mean, working in advertising, I can only imagine how many people had to sign off on

this image, specifically demonstrating no eye contact, no hand on the wheel watching

TV.

GM is not willy-nilly about this.

Yeah.

That's a good point.

They did this.

Just showing this picture is like them saying, we're going to do this.

And the lawyers were probably like, oh.

But the lawyers are like, oh, make sure the phone's far away from me.

Don't play it.

I want to make that jump.

Heaven forbid you're on a phone while you're watching a movie.

Well, you're the guy who's talking on the phone in the movie theater.

That's who it is.

No, no.

I am very encouraged.

As a guy who does a lot of long distance driving on the freeway, I'm very encouraged

by this.

And I think it could be really, really cool.

And if GM does it, and Mercedes-Benz has also talked that they might do

something like this in the future, it would be really big for long haul drivers.

Definitely.

And it could pop into his Escalade IQL.

Wouldn't that be nice?

No.

You know, I was in Washington DC this week.

You know what the best part was?

I didn't see a single Escalade IQL.

They're all over here.

Yeah, they really are.

They're all over.

And it is just such a ridiculous vehicle.

You know, it's funny because everyone thought the Hummer EV SUV would take off, and

you'd never see those.

Yeah.

But you're seeing the IQ everywhere.

So it's like, OK, they had the right concept, but everyone wanted the Escalade

IQL.

I don't get who buys them because liberals don't want a Cadillac Escalade, and

Republicans don't want an electric car.

So who was this crossover that, not only that, it's the most in-your-face of all of

that stuff.

It is.

It weighs 10,000 pounds, and it costs $100,000, and it's the biggest car on the road.

Yet again, that Orange County crossover.

It works in San Diego.

It works in Southern California, and it plays here.

Yeah.

I still think my theory that I posited to the group thread that everyone deep

down wants a full-size Range Rover, people just aren't willing to accept it.

And so an IQ is a falling short vehicle.

I wanted the full-size Range IQL.

Dude, have you bit an Escalade?

I got an Escalade because I didn't want to be too flashy or what have you.

You're trying to curate a Cayman GT4 nucleus theory with the new Range.

I'm going to tell you something.

Dude, the new Range is everything.

It's just not that.

It's a lovely automobile.

And the Cadillac Deville tail lights, the long vertical slits.

It's fine.

I just, some of us, look, some of us, we drive Toyota Sequoia built in

Texas.

We love America.

And some of us won.

Our European...

Fancy Euro...

America.

I think what you're trying to say is some of us are willing to admit we went the Range

Rover.

The rest of us are liars.

No, dude.

I've had two ranges.

I will not.

But those are not the same.

And L322 is not the same.

It was when I had it.

Yes.

But we've come a long way.

Give us the next news story.

I don't know.

It's sort of a tangent.

Oh, it's 2006 Infiniti G35 Sedan.

This is G35.

Breaking news.

Takeover.

Infiniti...

I assume that's what the story is.

Yes.

No.

Believe it or not, Infiniti has announced that they are returning with a Sedan.

Wow.

Which is unbelievable because they just recently canceled their midsize SUV,

which is kind of like the whole thing.

Right.

So they decided to cancel a platform that could potentially be popular with one

that definitely won't be.

Hey, Kenan, raise your hand if you didn't know that Infiniti didn't

already make a Sedan currently.

Infiniti stopped doing the Q50 after the 24 model year,

although I'm sure there are still some left.

Yeah.

Right.

They're gettable.

But the remaining cars in Infiniti's lineup are now only the QX60,

which is a midsize three-row SUV,

and the QX80, which is a full-size three-row SUV.

They've even canceled the QX50, which is their kind of small midsize.

That was like the X3 competitor.

The X3 and GLC and Q5 are probably the biggest sellers

for those brands.

And Infiniti doesn't even have a rival.

And they're saying instead of putting research effort into that,

we're going to go after a Sedan.

Infiniti's not in a good spot.

Do they just live under a rock or in a bunker?

They don't know what else is going on.

Nissan's the parent company.

Nissan's in Dire Strait.

Infiniti is kind of like their sub-brand.

So if the main company is not getting enough R&D,

imagine what being subsidiary is.

I have a theory that Infiniti will not make it

and we'll go under here in the next.

We may not see 2030.

I think that seems highly likely.

It's up there with everyone wants a full-size Range Rover theory

and that it's probably true.

No one can prove it, but it's probably true.

There is no part of me.

I had a Defender.

I bought it brand new.

There is no part of me that sits here thinking,

damn, I wish I had a full-size.

You drive a Sequoia with camouflage fender,

so we don't need to...

I can't live in my community.

I cannot have a full-size Range Rover.

I bet there's one on every block.

There is none.

Absolutely.

I cannot drive a full-size Range Rover.

I'm going to go take a little leisurely drive later.

Nick has two properties, both at the beach.

And I'm not able to participate in any of that.

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Okay, move on to the next news story.

The GM EV1, did you see this?

Yes. I saw this, yeah.

Rich Rebuilds posted it,

and I was really hoping he would have gotten it,

but it brought in serious money.

So, GM EV1 was General Motors' electric car in the 90s,

and the way these cars worked,

they were only leased to consumers,

and then when the leases were up,

General Motors bought them back,

or took them back.

They didn't allow people to renew the leases,

and they crushed most of them.

It was the subject of this big documentary,

which, of course, the documentary

about an electric car is dead.

Of course, now EVs are everywhere,

so it's not as secret and special

and ooh's conspiracy as it once was,

but a few of the EV ones

were given, donated, to universities,

and there are universities all around the country

that have them in various states of disrepair

because it was cool for the universities

and their engineering students

to check out at the time in 1999,

but now, the technology's old,

nobody cares anymore,

EVs are everywhere.

In fact, they have a lot,

some of the universities,

they're just sitting in parking lots,

like people approach them and see them,

and they pass around on social media occasionally

with flat tires in this state,

and so I think this car was at a university

and it has now been auctioned

at some sort of auto auction in Georgia

and it sold for over $100,000.

It's like $104,000 from universities,

which these universities that have them sitting around,

well, it was an easy way to get some, you know.

Well, the problem was the universities

all had to sign an agreement with GM

that they would never sell the car,

and so I wouldn't be surprised

if the new owner of this car finds himself

in a little bit of trouble,

probably GM doesn't care anymore.

I can't imagine.

Remember when you weren't allowed to sell a Cybertruck

and everyone was afraid to do that,

and it was like a serious thing,

you'd be like, ooh, do we accept it?

Hummer Review is my favorite,

because like you said, what do I do?

Not buy another GMC?

What are they going to do?

Stop you from buying a Yukon?

Trust me, that's not going to happen.

But I mean, I guess there are probably ways around.

They could probably gift it to someone else

and that party can then sell it.

The universities were not allowed

to dispose them at all,

which is why they're in kind of derelict state

at universities across the country.

And I assume that this one was at a university

that failed, like that went bankrupt or something,

and that probably is the only way that it happened.

So there's nobody left for GM to go after it at the university.

But this will be the first EV1 in private hands

since the time period.

The only drawback is, does anybody care?

It doesn't seem like I, from what I've,

I haven't been able to figure out who won it yet,

and that may come out by the time this is posted,

but wouldn't this be the best way

to start a YouTube channel ever?

Because you get the restoration of like the interior

with all the garbage in it and like the exterior.

And then you also get to see like how it ran,

like take it apart, like engineering explain,

like someone like that could really go into the battery.

You could do some great co-labs.

Yeah.

Engineering explain, you could do,

Larry, because everyone's got to do it.

Yeah, Larry's got to do it.

Yeah.

Rich Rebells.

You for a review.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Maybe a little Tavarish in there too.

You know, here's an interesting fact.

I have, to this day,

an original EV1 owner's manual at the house.

Really?

Yeah.

Cool.

I was on eBay in 2000,

it was before I moved to California,

2016, late at night.

Yeah.

And then it popped up somehow in my algorithm

and I bought it, it was like 30 seconds,

and I bought it in two seconds

and I've had it ever since.

I would love to see your eBay algorithm.

License plates, owner's manuals, weird stuff.

One thing a lot of people don't know about this car is

that I learned in the owner's manual,

it had a keypad to start it.

There were not keys.

Huh.

So, they're going to have to do an LX slot.

Like a security code or something?

Yeah.

You typed in a code.

How many attempts do you get

before I lock you on it?

It's explained.

That exact thing is explained in the owner's manual.

The owner's manual is great.

It's got all these like hand-drawn images of the EV1

and you know, a person jumping out of the way

or whatever owner's manuals have.

You know, it doesn't look that terrible

and it kind of looks like a Gen 1 viper

from that particular angle.

Yeah, there's a lot of Gen 1 viper.

Like in a bad way.

Yeah, like a smush melt sort of way.

My presumption is this was on bill of sale.

It said it had to be sold to a Georgia resident,

which was odd.

And the windshield's broken, which I,

you're not, unless you broke,

when I was a student in Atlanta,

there was one at Georgia Tech's campus

that was just sitting in a parking garage on love.

You break under the...

It kind of looks like you did that.

Just take it.

Flex a glass or something, which you could easily make.

It does kind of look like that.

It's flexible.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

Please, someone get this back on the road,

sell it on card and bid.

Someone will.

I mean, to spend over 100 grand,

it's a museum.

It's possibly GM themselves.

It'd be cool if Jay was like,

I'm sure he wasn't bidding on a random auto auction.

GM would never go after Leno.

You know, like if he bought it.

That's sure.

And he'd be into it.

The bidding list would be really interesting

Rolodex to have.

Yeah.

Yes, it would be.

Yeah.

Would have been cool.

Kenner, why didn't you drop the 100 grand on it?

Well, you know, it's not really happening.

109.

And then I think there was,

well, the buyer fees were another 13%.

So you're really into 120.

Nice value.

Good value.

For a car that hasn't run in 25 years,

and even then when it ran,

it had a 100 mile range and like 90 horsepower.

You could have that or a 575.

I think I'd pick the 575.

But nonetheless, that is much cooler than a 575.

Love to see it run.

I'd pick the 575.

I don't know.

It'd be cool to see an EV1 like doing its thing.

As you and I are learning with the A2 and Multipla,

sometimes having...

Yeah.

Sometimes catching this is not worth the race.

And Multipla.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Multipla.

Oh.

I'll circle back to that one.

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Driving at the Long Beach both ways over the weekend.

I'm good for a little while.

Yeah.

That's the thing.

And that's why I'm never doing it again.

Okay.

Next new story, Nick.

Yeah.

This is mine.

There is a...

This is just a concept.

It's probably not going to happen,

although it should.

And a real American truck company,

not Toyota,

has a...

Toyota builds the trucks with non-union labor.

It doesn't get any more American than that.

It doesn't get any more red-blooded conservative than that.

SEMA concept.

So it's probably not going to happen.

They did the dude.

It is a throwback to an old TV show or something.

No one really cares.

However, there is a cowboy hat holder on the dashboard.

I think it's brilliant,

even if it's just a little theater.

Would Papa have put his cowboy hat on?

Papa had a 94 F-150,

and I used to sneak out in the middle of the night,

me and my cousin Andrew,

and we would go do donuts in the corn fields

and then return it.

And I remember one time we got carried away

and we had to basically zip tie the bumper back on

and then just pray to God

that one of our parents dies the next day.

Did he never notice?

Nope.

I don't know.

Did you still go out and do the donuts after that?

Yeah, he had a lot of cars,

so that was just the one no one cared about.

God, you've lived such a story.

The man had two Cadillac Alantes.

Wow.

So you think I'm the crazy one in my family?

Someone had two Alantes.

This is where it started.

Cowboy hat holder.

So this is a concept only, Nick.

This isn't going to...

I know.

Although it honestly looks no different

than a cell phone holder here.

This shouldn't be that hard to retrofit.

I'm sure there is a startup on Alibaba

or Amazon that's already...

Of course, Stetson's going to bring one out.

Yeah.

You know, it'll be an accessory.

My hat's a Stetson.

It would look good like that.

Right.

Ma'am.

Okay.

You can put your little child's helmet on it, too.

It's Senna's helmet for God's sake.

His literal helmet.

He wore the...

Yeah.

Wearing it when he crashed.

Must not have worked very well.

Oh, my God.

What's our next news story, please?

Ah, yes.

This one's for me.

So although this looks like a random drawing,

this is very important.

Ferrari recently filed a patent.

Now, last week we talked about how Porsche was filing

that patent for the W18 engine,

which is very...

Yeah.

Ferrari, not to be outdone, also filed the patent,

but this one is very interesting

because it's about side exit exhaust,

front engine side exit exhaust.

Now, it looked a little bit more at the patent,

and what's interesting is in a different picture,

they have very clearly...

It's for a V12.

There are two rows of six cylinders,

and it all dumps out at the side.

Now, one can only imagine that this will be

for something in the Icona series,

but that said...

Yeah.

The automobile manufacturers file patents all the time.

It doesn't necessarily mean they're going to make a car,

but if you had to bet on it,

it seems like a front engine V12

with side exit exhaust like an SOL

is coming soon.

Do you know anything...

Do you mind a V8?

Have you ever had a car with side exit exhaust?

I sure have.

The Viper side exit?

I mean, there's plenty of cars...

Well, yeah, but this is in front of...

Yes, there are cars like that,

but there must be something specific about the routing

or how it's done with emissions.

We bother you that we both have

the eight Mercedes convertibles with side exit exhaust.

I do want to get a picture with the SLR

and the G500 together.

Yeah.

It's sort of like the step-children.

What year is yours?

99.

That's such a Swiss picture.

My SLR and a GCab that feels very...

And the A2.

This is really cool,

and I am excited to see what turns out from it.

I am too,

and I think this made me think of something deeper, too.

We feel like Ferrari's lost the plot

with the supercar thing, you know?

288 through the Enzo makes sense,

the Luffroy, that all makes sense,

and now it's gotten kind of weird with the...

Murky.

Yep.

I think that the Icona series is now

the most desirable cars that they make all together.

Sort of.

The SP1 and 2 aren't desirable at all.

So you have this weird issue.

But if...

Maybe, yes.

Right?

I suppose.

I desire them.

They're kind of the same color.

Do you?

Yeah.

You know what it is.

Yeah, I like the one-seater one version, especially one.

I like the SP1 and SP2 to be clear.

I think in any V12 car with no windshield is insane.

I don't know if it belongs in that lineage,

but I do desire them.

I thought it was the coolest thing I've ever driven,

but that's not really cool.

You've got to wear one of these.

But it's not like the Daytona SP3 is like legit.

Yeah.

And if this...

Whatever this ends up being, if it's a...

I don't know why they feel the need to have

front exit...

Is that an exit?

We'll find out.

Why not?

So I don't know.

I think I'm very curious to see

if this car ever comes into existence

and if it does,

it would be cool.

It would be cool.

The Italians for our inventing side exhausts.

We're very proud of you.

The Italians would tell you they...

We invented it.

It's the exit of the front and the side.

This is what we make here, yes?

They did have in the 50s some cars

that had pipes coming off them.

Well, they were race cars.

You just...

Maybe that's what this is.

Straight to atmosphere.

Okay.

Give us our next new story.

Yes.

Rolls Royce.

So this is the Centenary Edition...

or the Centenary Edition Rolls Royce Phantom.

Now, they've done this before,

or they've done Centenaries

for Rolls Royce as a company.

This is for the Phantom nameplate specifically.

Cool.

And Rolls Royce has gone to exceptional lengths

to make this car something very opulent.

So they're only going to build 25 of these

to celebrate 100 years of the Phantom.

Yep.

And they've done a lot to the interior,

not all of which I would call tasteful.

That's what they feel.

Is that like a silver cloud on the seats?

Yes.

Yes, so they...

Is that an early and like an O5 Phantom?

So there are 77 different hand-stitched motifs

in this.

And it's all supposed to be around...

Wait, 77 in this?

In this.

Just this.

Yes.

It's not you choose between 77.

No, no.

76 wasn't enough.

They said,

our buyers demand more.

They've distilled 77 into this creation,

which is...

You remember the McLaren with the seats

that look like someone cramped themselves?

Yeah, yeah.

It's not far up being that bad.

But it does not end there.

There are also these separate panels

that have like 45 different separate components.

There's one on the dashboard that's like this.

These ones are maps of their favorite driving roads,

which when I think aggressive driving roads,

what I want is a car that weighs more than a planet

and has dinner plate wheels.

Wow.

Their favorite driving roads?

That's correct.

They said specifically their geographical maps

with winding routes and sweeping landscapes,

floral elements and depictions

for their experimental motor cars.

The ones that Rolls-Royce deemed the most

significant sweeping formative on their journey

for the Phantom.

It looks cool as hell, the exterior.

They're only going to make 25.

Yeah, I agree.

The exterior is beautiful.

Well, yeah.

So the spread of ecstasy is made out of 24 karat gold.

Oh, god.

So it truly tastes like Tesla's car.

But the most tasteful thing about it

is they said that these cars will sell

for approximately $3 million.

$3 million.

Wow.

Which is a lot more than a normal Phantom.

That's a lot to tolerate that interior.

So you could have that or a ratty F-50.

Yeah, and you get to stare at this.

Well, thankfully you don't have to stare at it

because you're in the front,

but it really doesn't look like it.

No, no.

It's a Phantom.

You're being driven.

You're in the back.

You're stuck staring at this crap.

Man.

So I don't know.

It's one of the ugliest interiors I've ever seen.

Yeah.

But hey, good for Rolls-Royce.

I'm glad they were able to distill it down

to just 76, 77 motifs.

Hey, for $75 million they'll bring in?

Sure.

Yeah.

Imagine you get just like a tiny tear

in that upholstery.

Yeah.

Can you patch that up?

Right.

I'm going to start over.

Right.

Yeah.

But you could add some more motifs.

How many years?

It's like when you've got your whole arm

with the tattoo sleeve,

like you just keep adding more.

You're stuck with that.

Till it's all black.

That would be the move is just to fill the rest in.

Yeah.

Just like dump some black paint on it

and you have black seats.

These seats look like they're out of a bus, though.

The base cushion looks like that

and that looks like it's out of some

Art Deco bathroom.

It looks like a 90s city bus.

It really does.

And then the regulatory seatbelts are so funny.

Okay.

Is that the end of the news?

That's the end of the news.

Thanks, God.

We have to move on to the talk cars segment,

which is huge this week

because we have an actual spot.

You know how I always say the talk car segment

is sponsored by the Leapville?

Brought to you by the draft shirt.

We have an actual sponsor this week

and it's Piloti

and they make driving shoes

such as these

and they are actually legitimately cool.

They look good.

Nick,

I'm actually wearing the worst.

These were not sponsored,

which I'm, you know,

having bummed about.

Yeah, though,

they've been eaten by my dog,

but I bought them

when I got the Mercia Lago converted to stick

so that I could shift my gears

and modulate and heal toe

a little bit better

to get the little rounded things.

Apparently that's the thing

that they have roll control heels,

which actually help you heal toe.

It helps like smoother pedal transitions

to help you heal toe.

We're going to drive this week

and I'm going to wear these on the drive.

I'm very excited for it.

You know what's,

what's surprising about them is I was like,

oh, 200 bucks for like a pair of driving shoes.

I don't know,

but they're actually really comfortable

as normal shoes.

Like despite having a flat bottom,

like your, your heels don't hurt.

So I wear them all around.

But do I always save them

for your driving experience?

No, I'm,

I'm as my dog chewed up soul show.

Like I'm wearing them as normal shoes.

These shoes have a thin flexible soul

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I know.

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We got a lot to talk about

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This is our most talk.

Yeah, we do.

Talk car segment in the history

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Okay.

I think the number one thing

we got to talk about is,

well, wait, let me quickly,

let me do a very quick.

The Kuntas I posted on Instagram

that it broke down.

It was fixed instantly.

No big deal.

And everybody's like,

you were just saying it was reliable.

Still is.

What was it?

You want me to find out for you?

I'd love to.

I'm not dealing with the distributor.

I was told.

The distributor was,

the drive gear on the distributor was stripped.

They replaced the drive gear,

reset the engine timing.

They were able to do this.

The car broke down over the weekend

and by Monday it was all good.

I'm going to do a whole video about it

on my channel.

Okay.

Great.

But that's the basics.

And it was no big deal.

And I want to say that.

A whole video on a 24 hour

turnaround in fix?

Well, that's one of the things.

Sounds great.

Everybody's like, oh,

you were just saying it was reliable

and now it jinxed it.

As far as I'm concerned,

if you're trying a daily ish,

a 43 year old supercar

to have one breakdown

and the fix is like this four hours of labor,

I still feel it's pretty reliable.

Right.

It is.

And ultimately,

it also kind of underscores

like how basic that car actually is.

It's not like modern supercars

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There's all these fears

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but like it's just an old car.

Now there's some stuff that's real,

but you address that stuff on your schedule

when you're supposed to maintenance.

But repairs and stuff.

At the end of the day,

it's not that crazy.

Especially a carb-rated car,

same with my dad's 67 Mustang.

Distributor cap, take it off,

make sure it's not corroded,

clean them and put it back.

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We got to talk about the SLR.

You've announced on your channel.

The SLR, I've no longer embargoing myself.

I watched last week's podcast.

In part because Hoovey broke my embargo.

Yeah, what was that?

I watched last week's podcast

and you weren't really

hiding much.

No.

The car was sitting behind you.

I just didn't want to distract from the Mercilago

while the auction was still live

and also I wanted to have a video

to go along with it

before I really talked about it.

Both of those are true.

So the Mercilago,

we'll just quickly touch on that

since it wasn't,

it's partially discussed on the podcast,

but got $290,000.

The buyer is paid.

It actually just got picked up

like an hour ago by the shipper.

It's going to Denver.

Going to Denver,

an enthusiast body who has a 355 GTS.

Wow.

A McLaren 650,

like a super cool guy.

Him and I have been like chatting.

He's very much of art.

He's like,

I create a three ring binder for every car

and like,

so I've sent him all my service records.

When I was a child in Denver,

seeing this

would have changed my life.

You know what's even crazier?

There's a guy five minutes from his house

who has a Grigio Antares Mercilago Roadster

that was also converted by Machinimo.

You're kidding me.

No way.

Five minutes away.

So they're going to have like twin cars basically.

Wow.

So that car sold.

I was thrilled with the outcome

and now I can like focus on the SLR.

Now that that's like off my plate mentally

and I cannot tell you how much I love the SLR.

I'm so thrilled to hear that

because there's so much BS about the SLR.

They're from people who have never even been near one.

Yeah.

People have never even seen one in their lives

and you've now driven one for quite a time.

It really, it surprised me.

I mean, having never driven one

before buying it and it arriving,

you expect a Mercedes.

Like I was expecting an SL500, a grandpa car.

I was expecting it to be like soft, floaty, quiet,

compliant, like very usable,

but like maybe boring.

This car feels so much faster than the Mercy.

It just like makes you giggle

and squeal like a squirrel girl.

Like I scared my wife.

Like literally the first drive, she's like,

please stop doing this.

And she's written in the Mercia logo plenty.

Like she was as surprised as I was at just how fast

and raw and analog it was.

At one point Nick texted, we have a group thread,

me and Ken and a few other people.

And Nick said, my life will be measured in pre,

I'm trying to find these.

My life will be measured in pre,

from now on going forward,

my life will be measured in pre SLR and post SLR.

Yeah.

And you said something like,

this is the greatest experience I've ever had

or something like that.

It feels like a religious experience to me.

I'm just, I'm getting like four miles per gallon

because it's just like,

then like I just like giggle,

giggle, giggle, giggle.

Like I'm just doing that over and over again.

Like I'm a boy who discovered his first.

What?

What Nick?

Finish the line.

Toy car.

I'm so pumped for you.

I think this is so great.

I think the SLR is undervalued.

I think it is cool as held to drive.

It's sitting over there.

I think it is so cool to look at.

It's very special to look at.

But what I'm,

what I appreciated over the weekend.

So it was my birthday.

My wife and I went out on a date.

We went to pickleball.

No one looked at me.

Yeah.

Right.

Like I'm used to between the multiple,

the mercy, even the Bentley.

I'm used to getting stared at every time I go somewhere

and not a soul ever even looked twice.

Yeah.

And so to me,

that's wonderful because I can go places kind of

anonymously,

but at the same time,

like if you're an enthusiast,

you look at it and you're like,

holy crap, that is neat.

It is a super car that you can like really truly use.

Very usable car.

They're kind of experiencing what he experienced

with the career GT.

Yeah.

And that only the people who know,

the people who actually want to have conversations

with as opposed to,

what are you doing for a living?

That sort of thing.

Those people notice it

and everybody else just thinks it's neat.

The drawback of the career GT though,

is it's so much more fragile.

And I think one of the cool things

about the SLR is.

This car is pretty stout.

You can use it.

Like the approach angles,

the departure angles,

it's like a normal car.

It doesn't have axle lift,

which is the only bummer relative to the mercy.

I might have scraped the front bumper just to touch.

That's that.

What's under there?

The Kuntash is no problem to scrape.

You just have to paint it every so often.

I mean, there's a little overhang of the bumper

and then under trace from that.

Yeah.

And I just got a little bit of the bumper,

but it's going to Kevin

for paint protection film tomorrow.

Oh, good.

It doesn't have PPF at all.

No.

And it's only got 4,800 miles.

Like the paint's pristine.

I also think you just bought the perfect one

because it had had this electrical incident.

We're not calling it a fire.

It wouldn't flames.

It's just like Vietnam was a conflict.

A minor short.

Like I've had in my Bentley three times.

Because it had this incident,

you know, it's priced at a level where

it should be a higher mileage car priced at that point.

Yep.

So you can really enjoy the miles

without kind of worrying about it,

even though it's a super low mileage car.

And ultimately the condition is excellent

because it hasn't been driven.

The silver is beautiful.

Niceest car I've ever had.

The bike's too nice.

Hoovey took good care of it

despite his reputation for being a hooptie guy.

Yeah.

It needs nothing.

It came with the Fleetwood Max CD in the trunk.

I'm thrilled.

Hoovey and Aprilot listened to Fleetwood Max.

Yeah.

Steely Dan.

He blames the previous owner,

which was Wayne Carini,

and Dallas Collins.

However, somewhere along that lineage

had some boomerish tape to music,

which I don't mind.

Steely Dan's not so bad, but...

Yeah.

You know?

Thanks for having us.

Steely Dan.

I assume that's what you listened to.

You're correct.

It is.

I checked it out.

I didn't hate it.

Steely Dan is on the soundtrack of my life.

All right.

Absolutely.

Oh my God.

Thank you guys for Ohio talking about Steely Dan.

How lovely.

I'm so thrilled, though.

And it is funny because you and I have joked that,

hey, on the podcast,

we say what we're looking to buy,

and then the cars kind of find us,

and that's what happened with the SLR.

And I hope that happens with you and your 993.

Folks, I'm ready to get a 993 Turbo.

I'm ready to get an arena-red 993 Turbo.

I was on the 993 Forms the other day,

and somebody posted all proudly,

they had just bought a 993 Turbo.

They had just begun living the dream, the fantasy.

There's pre-993 Turbo and there will eventually be post-993 Turbo.

I went to Radwood over the weekend,

and you ruined it for me.

Because there was one for sale,

with the for sale sign at 200,000 miles,

literally everyone came up to me and said,

hey, Nick, or whatever, they said,

hey, did you see the 993?

You should text Doug.

I'm like, I have.

He's seen it.

He's not interested.

It's too many miles.

Please, like, introduce yourself, something else.

No, actually, legitimately, though,

it's like the GMEV-1.

You know, the number of people who sent me the GMEV-1,

when you get to be like a figure,

which you're now, as far as I'm concerned,

the number of people, if an SLR is in the news,

you're going to get hundreds of people.

Everybody that you've ever met or heard about

is going to send you and be like,

here's something, and you're going to have to politely reply.

Unlike the third podcast we ever did or whatever.

I mentioned the Volkswagen Golf, like W12.

Hundreds and hundreds of people sent me the Instagram post.

It is helpful.

Like when I said I'm looking for a multiple,

a lot of people did reach out

and give me some legitimate leads on it.

So it is good.

It's a lot.

Yeah.

I love it.

I'm very happy people think of us.

Okay, tell me about the 1990s car show

that you went to over the weekend.

1980s and 90s.

It was actually really, really fun.

What I learned about Radwood is,

we go to a lot of cars and coffees,

Ferrari four or five eighths everywhere,

and you kind of get like numb to just seeing supercar

after supercar after supercar.

Radwood brings out the best kind of enthusiasts

and the best kind of cars.

I mean, there was everything from like a 1980s Ram pickup

that was just like survivor bone stock

to like low riders with graphics and body drops.

And there was also some nice cars

like the Peterson brought in an EB-110 and 959.

The multiple was there parked between

the porta-potties and a Testerosa,

which is where it belongs.

I love that.

And art, the director.

It's like a graph.

It's like the ascendancy.

It's a graph.

Start with the porta-potties, the multiple of the Testerosa.

I think it was intentional and I love it.

So everyone there has a sense of humor.

The people there are so nice.

It felt like a more diverse crowd

in a very, very positive way.

Like people are just in a different,

like one person came up to me and goes,

you mentioned on the pod in Acura Vigor,

I then put on the screen a legend.

And they were like, that really bothered me.

And I'm like, that is the type of person that goes to Radwood.

You know, like I, that is a real enthusiast.

And I loved it.

Remember that was that bothers me too.

The bigger, as we all know, was a five cylinder.

Like an Audi.

We've had some five cylinders.

Yeah, we have.

We have.

Yeah.

Double down.

Yeah.

So it was a thrill.

I did not win anything.

I was gonna say, you didn't win?

The last time you were at Radwood, you won.

I did.

I was hoping for it to beat.

I think I needed like graphics

and a little bit more 90s flair,

although I wore neon green hammer pants.

A pink ball cap.

Like I tried really hard.

I agree with your assessment of Radwood.

I think Radwood is a super fun event.

I've only went to one because they're always in that way.

This one was way better than the last one.

The one I went to is when you showed your XP8,

your saline explorer,

and you won with the best SUV, right?

Yeah.

Radis.

Radis SUV.

And it was a killer.

My Kuntash won Radis car at Radwood 2018 or something.

There was a 40th anniversary there.

It's called the Nong.

Or 40th anniversary.

20, 25th anniversary.

He's still a mercy.

I know.

He's a mercy guy at heart.

See, alien.

But it is such a fun show.

And I'll tell you something.

As a guy who like really lived through that era

and has driven all the supercars,

the stuff that's more appealing to me now

is like the survivor caravans

and Acura vigors and things like that.

Everybody took care of an F40,

so few people took care of those cars.

And that's just, I would,

it really catches your eye when you see a clean one.

Yeah.

And everything there was like just.

And that's what I remember going to the one

that you and me went to

when he was showing his car.

Right.

Yeah.

And he was like,

how's the 626,

like stuff that just shouldn't have been saved.

Remember two things about that.

And on the way there,

we saw 355 broken down.

Broken down on the free.

You said to me,

are you sure you want to buy a 355?

I did anyway.

It wasn't even Redwood related.

It was on the 73.

It was like two hours before Redwood.

They were headed.

I think I know it.

You think so?

Yeah, absolutely.

They would have gotten there

about in the same time.

I think it was.

It was Orange County.

Yeah, it was Orange County.

I was pleased to multiply

despite it being like a lot of time in that car.

It does freeway speeds fine.

And I was like,

I'm not sure if I should drive back without issue or drama,

which it is not a lot of folks there.

Like the one guy was like,

I had a broken foot.

I drove down from like Seattle or somewhere crazy.

And I realized mid drive.

The cruise control didn't work.

You know,

like people really sacrificed to get their cars there.

And I'm like,

yeah,

it was like an hour and a half leisurely drive in the morning.

And the multiple is so cool.

It must have been a huge hit.

Yeah.

A lot of people came up

super excited about it.

People who knew about,

they've been watching it or they're just people who are like,

who are you and why.

I think both.

Yeah.

I was like,

I'm lucky you hadn't even realized or called crazy by strangers,

but like

get used to it.

That was really fun.

And then other people just like,

what on earth is this thing?

And then you get to explain it.

And I just hung out around the car.

Most of the time watching people engage with the car

and be impressed by the car.

And it made my day.

Like I had such a fun time.

How cool.

I couldn't go.

I was out of town.

I love Radwood.

I'd love going to Radwood.

And if they ever did one in San Diego,

I know it would change my life.

They think so.

Call is LA.

What about us?

It is just far enough,

since you can't leave early.

So if you're showing your car, you're committed.

The whole day.

So I left at like 7.30 a.m.

and I think I got home at six.

Yeah, that's the problem.

It's a long day.

Speaking of the whole day,

Kenan has an experience that he did.

Kenan went to Mexico City this week

for the Formula One race.

Yes, as I mentioned, I went to see the grown pre

from our offering Kevin's back to the party

and you couldn't be there because you were out of town.

You couldn't be there because it was your birthday.

But it was awesome.

We had a great time.

Mexico City is an amazing place

and the car enthusiasts in Mexico City are wild.

There's some great stuff there.

A lot of it is hidden admittedly,

but there's some amazing cars there.

We just went and got dinner at this baria

that was just around.

And we were talking to the,

it was an expedition, an Eddie Bauer.

Oh, nice, nice.

And we were all freaking out over that

and they knew we were car people.

So they brought their phones up

and were showing us cars and they were flipping through

and like McLaren, Fierce Line, whatever,

and then E39M5 and I lost my car

which I was thrilled about.

But we went to the race and the race was

so much fun.

In case you don't know,

the circuit cuts through an old baseball stadium.

So it's like, I've seen the actual track

goes through the middle, which is really cool.

And it's very hard on the cars

because you're at high elevation.

So brakes are, cooling is a problem in general.

So they run like special engine covers

with like just huge slices on them.

The race itself wasn't super exciting.

I saw a track partial almost got hit.

Were you there for that?

No, that was a different corner,

but that was crazy.

And that was like the FAA is investigating that

and how that happened.

It was a wild race, a lot happened.

But the coolest thing I think that you too

would appreciate at the beginning was the driver parade.

This happened like there are a number of manufacturers,

you know, obviously make cars as well.

I'm just into race cars.

So they put the drivers in

equivalent to what those cars are.

For McLaren, they had an MP412C spider for some reason.

Because it was local.

Well, you know what else was local?

An F50 and a LaFerrari Aperta.

And so Lewis Hamilton and Charlotte Leclerc

were in the blue carbon F50,

which everybody was freaking out about like,

oh, it's the rare blue carbon.

It's like, well, it's modified,

the car started out as like red.

But nonetheless, it's like we didn't know it was gonna be

that we just saw this F50 on the track.

I was like, oh my God.

And then they got it and just like sat on the engine cover.

I saw that.

I was shocked by that.

Because yeah, I've held those driver parades go.

Yeah, and the LaFerrari Aperta too,

because the Ferrari engine powers some of their cars,

like their drivers and those too.

But like, it was just like so cool to see

the cars parade.

Does it trouble you

that the highlight of the Formula One race

was when a street car drove around the track?

Well, and as an F1, a real F1 engine,

something you've inspired.

Real F1 engine.

Yeah, just like my career.

My highlight of that photo was Max Verstappen

just behind the F50 and a Ford Mustang base model

that looked like he went to Hertz.

And they're like, oh, for $10 more,

you can get a convertible.

What was that about?

I don't know.

Like, why did they not try at all?

Use local people's cars.

Yeah.

Yes, and admitted, I mean,

not all of the manufacturers then make those cars.

There are like engine manufacturers,

like your SLR could have been, could be a Formula One.

Be a lot cooler than a V6 Mustang.

Cadillac is running.

They're going to have people on.

Well, that was the other thing.

The numbers.

Devils.

Yeah.

Because Sergio Perez, a Mexican driver,

is going to drive for Cadillac next year.

The number of Cadillac hats

and things you saw were intense,

which is cool.

I'm excited to see another team on the grid.

Two technically outies kind of replayed.

Sour, but nonetheless, it was like,

yeah, the race was exciting for me

and that a Ferrari finished second,

which is kind of sad that's the way of the celebrate,

that's their first podium of the year,

which is kind of sad.

Is that true?

It's not their first podium of the year,

but it's like, it was looking like they were going to,

like we're going to have a Lewis Hamilton two,

like Charlotte Clarke and Lewis Hamilton.

Unfortunately, Hamilton ran a penalty,

10 seconds, didn't end up on the podium.

But nonetheless,

Nothing like a good penalty.

But they didn't win,

which was Sadland and Norris won the race,

but we were really hoping for our win.

But nonetheless, they at least

were standing on the top steps.

I'm proud of you,

I'm glad you like Mexico City.

I think Mexico City is one of the coolest places.

My personal view on take on the car scene in Mexico City

was not as positive as yours.

I though I did enjoy the smattering of Dodge Neons

from all generations.

I enjoyed that too.

It's all a Neon SRT-4, which is very cool.

Wow.

Yeah, of real in Mexico City.

But I deeply love Mexico City

and it sounds like a cool place to go see

a Formula One race.

Oh, really cool.

And I highly recommend that if anybody,

if you're a Formula One fan,

you've never been to a race,

find one that is accessible to you.

I highly encourage you to look at going to foreign countries.

It's expensive to get there.

Once you are, the tickets aren't so bad,

but it's so cool to see the cars

and hear the cars and smell them

and like the whole thing in person.

It's a much different experience

and everyone should do it.

If you can.

You've been to a Formula One race?

I went to Vegas for FP1 and that was the year

that then someone ran over a manhole

and I shut it all down.

So of course, I saw like a lap of a free practice one.

But that's it.

But you got to meet David Colthard, didn't you?

Yeah, no, yeah.

We were like VIP with the whole track side.

That's amazing.

You and me go to Vegas together.

Just the two of us in your SLR.

There's still time.

Okay, this year.

Anyway, Formula One, Ken and Sonia 50.

That's the highlight of the Formula One experience.

That's a pretty good weekend.

It's pretty good.

And we celebrated in Kevin.

That's what really counts.

I got to talk cars, things I want to talk about.

Can you pull up the slides please?

Yes.

That's a Mercedes GLK.

I've seen one.

By the way, these talk car segments

are only for the viewers.

These two will not care about either one.

I'm doing these only for you watching at home.

This is the Mercedes-Benz GLK.

I was in Washington DC all week.

Not a lot of cool cars there.

So anyway, Mercedes-Benz GLK.

Normal GLK, regular model, base model GLK 350.

Except, except.

Look a little closer, Ken.

There's a picture of the GLK on the GLK.

Well, that's suspicious.

You ever see that before?

I have because you texted it to me two days ago

and I didn't care then.

I'll tell you something that still don't care now.

If you're a car enthusiast,

you still don't put a picture of your car on your car.

No, because I remember what it looks like.

But if you have a GLK,

you especially don't put a picture of your car

on your car.

But it makes me wonder.

We had that GLK with the V8 swap.

The guy did the manual thing.

Oh, you think that's this?

Well, this guy might be an enthusiast.

Maybe it says 350, but maybe it's not.

There's no enthusiast who owns a GLK.

There's not one.

I don't even know how you'd get one of these decals.

You have some crazy shirts of cars

that are very obscure.

You're right, though.

I don't know what's going on.

I'd love to know the story about that.

If you have a GLK, how do you care enough

to put a GLK sticker on your GLK?

Doug is the kind of guy that really loved it.

Would put a GLK sticker on a GLK,

but I would never have a GLK in the first place.

I promise you 90% of people who have GLKs

don't know what they're driving.

Yeah.

Period.

I love the GLK.

That was just what was in stock.

Or what their parents bought them as a used car.

Because this is a $7,000 used car now.

Please bring up the next slide, which is this.

Nick, are you aware of why this is special?

The wheels imply that it is a heavy duty version.

Very good.

That's very good.

That's all I know.

This is a guy who grew up with horses.

Those windows also look to be bulletproof or armor.

If you spend any time in Washington, D.C.,

you will see armored, heavy duty Yukon's

in suburban, they're common.

However, this one is particularly interesting

and you'd have to have quite an eye to notice.

There'll be nine viewers who are gonna be like,

yeah, they never made GM at any point

in the history of the suburban,

never made a short wheelbase heavy duty.

But this is a short wheelbase heavy duty.

And not only that, but it's a Denali.

So some big wig is getting driven around

in a non-existent short wheelbase heavy duty

and in a Denali.

Our tax dollars aren't going to put these people

in base models anymore.

They want luxury.

This is a crazy car.

If you're into these high heavy duty GM SUVs

and there is a group of people who are really into them,

this is a really unusual vehicle.

It looks weird being that short.

It does look very weird.

Heavy duty shouldn't be that short.

The eight lug wheels, it's crazy.

Obviously it's also bulletproof,

but a lot of these big SUVs in D.C. are bulletproof.

But this is a really unusual car

to see a shorty heavy duty

and to see a Denali being used for this purpose.

You know what they're not using?

Toyota Sequoia, you know why?

Because they won an American car.

You know, the Sequoia, that's actually an interesting point.

The Sequoia is built in the United States

and so it would qualify for the Buy American Act.

They should be using Sequoias.

I think it's great that they're using Denali's.

Big fan.

You're cool with the fact that they're driving around

in ventilated rear seats.

I mean, it's not like it's an IQ.

There's levels.

It's not a Range Rover full size,

which is what they really wanted

and they settled with the Denali.

What do you think Papa would say about his tax dollars

going to buy these people luxury products?

He would say at least it's not a Cadillac.

At least it's not a Cadillac.

It is never a Cadillac.

I have driven thousands of Cadillacs.

Well, hundreds.

But it's the same thing, Denali's is an escalator.

Yeah, but this is a cool car.

If you're into this stuff, please leave a comment

and make sure and let me know that I'm not the only one.

Our talk car segment is done.

Oh, unless you want to talk about the A2.

So the Audi A2.

So I was here late at the offices

and I cleaning the M5, getting it dialed in

and I went to leave and it was very misty

and I had just been hours making the car perfect.

And I was like, oh, I could drive whatever.

But then I noticed that the Audi A2

was looking lonely in the car.

So I grabbed the keys.

It does look like too.

And I was also like, you know what?

It needs to be driven

because you're not really driving it

and neither is anybody else.

No, not really.

I filmed one video with it

and I haven't touched it since then.

To all those who believe that it's my car.

Right.

So it's the company's car.

So I went and drove it

with those embarrassing plates that you've got.

And it's a perfectly acceptable, boring car.

I really love the shifter.

The clutch is not very good.

It's well made.

It's well thought out

and I thought it was actually kind of enjoyable.

It was fun driving a little car

for the first time in a long time.

And it's very odd.

It has some odd things.

When you downshift,

it won't let you do full throttle to like blip.

It like limits how much you can do.

You can only do like a third throttle.

It's like-

It doesn't want you to get too crazy.

Too bad they didn't have that in me.

If you can't tell if it gets that crazy,

take it.

Maybe it's just that slow to rev.

No, well, that too.

I actually really enjoy driving it.

And nobody notices it.

No, yeah, for sure.

Everyone enjoys driving it the first time.

Yep.

Maybe if it's misty again,

I'll drive it a second time.

Not worth it.

But I enjoyed it.

Needs windshield wipers and alignment,

but outside of that, it's a-

It drives much nicer than the Multipla.

However, the Multipla's weird enough

that it at least evokes like joy

and surprise by people

versus the A2 is just like forgettable.

I am curious about that

because it sounds like you're kind of implying that-

I mean, I'm daily driving it.

So unlike, and I have had some people

actually stop in traffic in a turn lane

and be like, oh my gosh, I've been wanting to see that.

So it's fun to daily it for that perspective,

but the Bentley is like,

if I'm taking my kid somewhere,

that has 600 foot pound of torque

and is actually fun to drive.

The Multipla is like, it's 100 horsepower diesel.

What is the latest on the Bentley, Nick?

Is it running?

It's on its third mechanic in three months.

They text it today.

It's been there a week saying

they're going to start work on it today.

This is why I never want to own an Ornash.

It's going to be sold as soon as I can get it fixed,

which may never happen.

What did you say?

It's going to be stuck with this.

It is as bad as everyone warned me.

Well, you bought a bad one also.

I understand a nicer one would maybe eventually get this one.

And you worked out with the battery plugged in.

Well, you admit now

that maybe going the Doug Roots sometimes

and buying a nicer one

so you don't have to do all this BS,

maybe is a good idea.

But this one was purple.

There'll be no purple, no reserve.

It was a deal.

It was a deal because it was trash

and it hasn't run right

since you bought it a year ago.

It ran well for a couple of months

until Sean borrowed it.

Dude, you're going to get destroyed.

I'm going to get destroyed.

I thankfully walked away with the mercy

with a little spending change in my pocket.

It's all going to cancel out the Ornash.

If you had just spent up the cool amount

that you spent on a nice Ornash,

you wouldn't agree.

I agree.

What would it be, you know,

what would it be the fun or not?

The functional car.

I could go buy a Denali and whoop,

they do.

I agree with you that it's more enjoyable

for the content to have a car that has some foibles.

But your Ornash has not been running right in a year.

I've driven it like twice in the last two months.

Both times are two or from a mechanic.

So yeah, it's a little tiresome.

Okay, we got to move on to the market report,

which we don't have much time for

because their questions this week are very good.

Let's talk market report

and specifically, Nick, start us off with the R63.

Since I got the SLR all of two weeks ago,

I've been obsessed with the idea of getting an R63.

What I have found is-

Why?

Because you want like to be a Mercedes.

The ultimate two car combo.

Ideally like silver,

but what I find is there were not many R63s

to begin with.

So often there's none for sale

or there's like A1 for sale.

Most of them are mild up,

meaning well over a hundred thousand miles.

A lot of them are modified

because like it was mostly owned by enthusiasts

at this point.

A lot of them are wrecked as well

because they were not preserved.

You drove them.

So usually it's a hundred thousand miles plus

an accident on the car fax,

some mods that are questionable.

This has none of that.

It's what, 60 some thousand miles.

It is no accidents.

They did the head bolts.

It is beautiful.

Yes.

So like this is a,

I won't say once on a lifetime opportunity,

but it's one where find me another one.

Find me another one this nice.

So I want to buy one,

but it's also,

this is like the opposite of my Bentley.

It's too nice for me.

The SLR owner to afford it.

You could use this though.

Oh, and it's got three rows.

I mean, this, this solves every problem

I have in life.

Well, then are you going to bid?

I, I'm just going to comment

and pull a Filippo here.

Really?

Because this is a,

it's a,

that's a Filippo.

That is a Filippo.

I should bid on it.

Well, why not Nick?

You're about to sell the Bentley in theory.

Yeah, I mean,

I really need to sell the Bentley first.

Yeah, but these never come up.

Like you said.

So I looked it up.

They sold 113 in North America

and they only,

and two other good things about it.

They only made about 200 globally.

So it's super rare.

And it was built in Alabama.

So pop-up would be happy.

Pop-up would be very proud.

The important part too is,

I forgot.

There was an important part.

You're not interested in this?

I'm, no, I'm very interested in it.

I think it will set a new high watermark

for the R63 because it is so clean

compared to a lot of the other ones.

I wish it had the original wheels.

These are GL63 wheels,

which probably fit the R63 a little better.

However, I really love,

and finding a set of these is like,

I mean, there's only 200 of these cars.

So it's basically these things.

Right, but also, I mean,

this one we sold last year, Nick,

and this was 35 and had 140,000.

So like, you're right.

They often get modeled up.

The one that I did a video on,

which was years ago,

it was this like Ukrainian dude in Philly

and it had a rebuilt title and a ton of miles.

But it was like an R63.

It was what I could find.

It also feels like this is the ultimate multiply.

Like it's kind of the same shape

and ugliness as a multiply,

but with a 6.2 liter V8 and I'm like, how awesome.

I agree.

I will tell you, having driven one,

one of the few people in the world who has,

it's not a dynamic masterpiece.

This is a real good story about Bronx and his dad, Ryan,

real United Airlines customers.

We were returning home

and one of the flight attendants asked Bronx

if he wanted to see the flight deck

and meet Captain Andrew.

I got to see him in the driver's seat.

I grew up in an aviation family

and seeing Bronx kind of reminded me of myself

when I was at age.

That's Andrew, a real United pilot.

These small interactions can shape a kid's future.

It felt like I was the captain.

Allowing my son to see the flight deck

will stick with us forever.

That's how good leads the way.

It's just a minivan with a big engine.

That's probably why people mod them

is to try to make it a little bit more engaging

like in RS6 where it's...

I do think it's cool as hell.

Oh, it's so cool.

I've only ever seen two my entire life.

I've seen a very first one in my hometown.

A lot of them that I've seen across the web

sell plus or minus 40, which is still a lot of...

I mean, it's a lot for this era, 6.2 AMG otherwise.

A lot of the...

An E-Class, an E63 sedan is like a 15 car.

And an R320 or whatever is like a $5,000 car.

But I think this one will do much better than that

just given how well kept it was.

And people that aren't as stupid as me

buying a beat up Bentley

that will pay an extra for that.

On the subject of Mercedes Benz,

I want you to bid on this car.

Legit.

I think you really should.

This will hold its value like crazy.

The head bolts are done.

You're gonna regret not buying this car if you don't buy it.

I am gonna regret buying it.

Another one will not come up for over a year.

Think about how cool we can look at Car Week

rolling deep in this thing.

It's so cool.

Mercedes themselves brought one to Car Week last year.

Remember it was a red one.

That's right.

So of those 200 Mercedes corporate of America

owns at least one of them.

And it's 200 globally.

It's only 113 for North America.

Yeah.

And some of them are probably...

It's 112 for the rest of us.

And apparently seven of those were in Canada.

And...

Alabama built.

Non-United.

Yeah.

Okay.

I wanna talk E-55 real quick.

We just sold a really nice,

you can just type E-55.

We just sold a really nice this one.

A 2001 E-55.

01 is a facelift car.

Scroll down.

It was like 60,000 miles.

70,000 miles.

Very low.

For this powertrain,

that's like barely getting broken in.

It was...

So facelift cars were 01 or 02 only.

17 grand.

This car is still a bargain.

Yeah.

I owned one of these.

It is the car that I most think about that I sold.

It is not my yellow Defender,

which was so associated with me.

It is this car.

I loved my E-55,

especially one that hasn't been miled up,

which is getting harder and harder to find.

And especially not a pre-facelift car,

which just wasn't as nice inside or out.

This is a really nice car.

Really good miles.

And it's only 17 grand.

It's fun to drive.

It's reliable.

It's fast.

It's better than an E-39M5.

There's a lot of great things about it.

Every magazine test from the period

disagrees with that.

And so do I.

But it is...

For 17, though.

But that's the thing.

E-39M5 values have gone up.

What would a 72,000 mile nice E-39M5 sell for?

35, probably more than that.

Maybe for an 01.

But yeah, I mean, I agree.

I think the T10 is one of the most compelling cars

Mercedes-Benz made.

I think they are dramatically undervalued

and they shouldn't be.

They're getting harder to find in nice shape.

They're really hard to find.

And they've come up.

I bought basically this exact same car in Atlanta

12 years ago for 12 grand.

They've come up.

Barely.

But not much.

Not enough.

Inflation has kept pace with that.

Look at the interior too.

These interiors hold up shockingly well.

I don't necessarily know that they hold up

in terms of design and style.

But the materials are high quality.

They're really nice.

And they generally don't get a lot of the cracks

and stuff that you see in the 124s

and even some of the later cars.

I love these things.

And this one is worn, but not crazy.

No.

And it just looks, the side profile,

look at those wheels.

Truly this car drives great too.

It is a great powertrain

that just feels smooth and powerful

at all parts of the rev range.

There's no waiting for a turbo to spool.

There's no peaky BS

like in certain other brand's cars from this era.

I love these cars.

My grandfather had a 210 for 20.

Yes, GD.

We called him for granddad GD.

He had an E4 20 for the longest time.

And I always looked at the 55 and was like,

oh man, I wish you got the 55,

but I love the 210.

They're so solidly made.

And I just adore those cars.

I agree.

I think it's incredible.

I can't believe they're still only this much money.

I thought they were going to take off

and that was going to be that.

And they never really.

The transmission is not inspiring.

I think that's almost as old as that.

But I would daily the hell out of this car.

Like it's not a car I would take on backwards

but if you're looking for like a fun daily,

it is reliable.

It is holding its value.

It holds up well.

It's not that expensive to own

compared to a lot of other AMG cars.

It is a very reasonable car for this money.

I think it's, if you got 20 grand

and you wanted a fun daily by that or a zero six.

Kenan, you got to give us your market report 512TR.

Yes.

We have a very cool 512Testeros on this side.

I always, always love the 512TR.

I think the improvements they did to this car

dramatically changed the Tesla as a platform.

They got real, they like lowered the engine

because they got rid of the subframe that sits in.

So it handled much better.

They added magnesium wheels.

Much better suspension geometry,

revised the styling a little bit.

Much better car.

It looks better.

The interior is better.

It just is better.

But the interesting thing about this one

is that it is a Euro and it has miles on it.

Quite a few miles, 120,000 kilometers.

Which is good for the guy who drove this thing.

Which is nuts on one of these cars.

Cause think about how many times the engine

has been in and out and in.

That engine vapor belt is probably quite a lot.

Despite the plates which are from Vienna on Austria,

it is in the US, it is on a US title.

Yeah, that's in Washington, I believe.

And Washington state.

What a crazy thing.

No comps.

No, Chris Harris's 512TR has a ton of miles on it too.

I think like 150,000 kilometers or something.

Wow.

And he drives it a lot.

That great view of him sliding around the southern fans.

But I think this is such a compelling,

such a compelling car.

I'm really curious where it ends up

because 512TRs are really valuable cars.

In the 300s regularly.

But almost all of them have very good cars.

No miles in our US cars.

So I'm very curious to see where this one ends up.

But it's really appealing to someone

who likes to drive cars like me.

I agree.

I am very curious to see also.

It's at 105, it just goes listed.

Yep, I love high mileage for ours.

My 3.5 had a lot of miles on it too.

So I'm very curious to see where it ends up.

God, it looks good.

Those sides, it does look good.

Onto the questions.

Questions, questions, questions.

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Size 11.

Grazie mille.

Size 11.

Gotta eat.

What would you do with yours?

Advire them.

But what would you do with the existing ones

that were chewed by the dog?

Well, I'd just get a different color.

Okay.

So you already have the shoes.

This would just be supplemental, really.

Yeah, okay.

Some people have more than one pair of shoes.

Yeah, true.

Okay, there's great questions this week

and we don't have as much time for it as I wish we did.

First question from Ford Prefect.

Question for Kenan.

Kenan, as much as you like the NA Miata,

why not just go ahead and get one?

The purchase price is low.

It isn't gonna lose value.

It'll keep miles off the M5.

You'll have a great time driving it.

It's cheap to own.

And Emily is sure to love it.

All very good points.

I think the reason is that it is,

I like cars with very big engines.

It's the kind of type of car that I like.

My M5 has a large engine.

Other cars I'm looking at have very large engines.

The Dodge Viper has a large engine.

I like lots of torque and power.

And admittedly, that's the complete opposite

of the specter of what an NA is.

The other thing is that I can kind of own an NA whenever.

They'll always be around and I want something

that's a little bit more esoteric.

And admittedly to me, something that I just

lust after a little bit more.

I love the Miata.

I suspect I will own one in maybe an S2002 at some point.

For now, I'm kind of focused on,

I just want something crazy.

That's all reasonable.

That is a reasonable response.

Nick, why don't you have an NA Miata?

I don't know, for real.

There's a roof for an NA Miata.

I'll tell you, I've got like six cars right now.

That's how you know you have a problem.

If you don't even have room for an NA,

there's issues.

Right, yeah.

I would like to at least experience a Miata more.

And I think if I ever started tracking more,

that would be my easy first choice,

just like a good track toy.

Well, I mean, yeah, those are those.

The person asking the question is correct,

that you do want to buy that now,

like when you do have kids and dogs and stuff,

like that suddenly becomes a lot more limiting

versus you're just a single dude

and you're driving an A2 because it's missing out,

a Miata might be a decent choice.

Of course, since he's had kids,

he had a Mercedes-Benz Lago and an SLR.

Right, he had way less cars before he had kids.

I don't know what he's talking about.

I will say he's talking about getting a track car.

Remember, this dude money shifted and dropped a motor

and he's over here with a track car.

Be careful.

When you money shift the Miata,

it's like a $300 repair point.

They got those engines at Pep Boys, you know?

Next question from Charlie XC90,

question for everyone.

You were all relatively similar ages

and I notice you tend to think the peak air

from the car was the 90s and into the 2000s

through them being the perfect balance

of modern analog.

Do you think you would retain this opinion

if you had been born earlier or later?

Yes, that is objective truth.

I understand where they're coming from.

But having thought, I'm lucky enough

to have experienced cars from the 60s and 70s and earlier.

And it is a really finite period of time

where they became really,

it was the perfect cross-section of everything.

And I do it, fast reliable,

and yet not hybridized, automatic.

Not too big.

Oh, you're arguing that you would still be interested

in the 2000s era.

Absolutely, I think objectively looking at the entire history

of the automobile, I think it was a really golden time

that people don't appreciate enough.

I think the 60s were also.

The 60s were also because of regulation for design

and they were crazy. Design is unbelievable.

But you can't argue that cars from the 1960s

weren't exactly what you call reliable

compared to modern cars later.

And that's the benefit that the mid 2000s cars have.

And the reason that we don't like newer,

which I think is really the implication of the question,

what if you were younger,

would you be like into the 2010s?

Probably you don't know any better.

That's what youth is.

However, the best cars came out of the mid 2000s.

I agree with you all in the premise

that those were the best cars to me too.

I didn't think it was objective.

No, again, papa, rest in peace.

He was in the 30s, town cars and such

because that was like of the era.

My dad and his generation is super

into muscle cars in the 60s.

I do think that there is like a outlier decade

that it's usually when you were in high school,

it was those cars plus or minus.

And I do think like, okay, that will happen again.

But I think it is a function of when and where you were born.

That's what we're arguing is that it actually,

it isn't in this case.

I'm counter-arguing it.

I understand.

And I get that argument and I think

it's totally reasonable.

I think it's wrong.

I think that if you really-

I just think that the mid 2000s had this thing,

nothing else in the history of the car

had previously ever had.

In the 60s, they would have thought they had it too.

Because it was as reliable and as fast as cars become.

But we now have the benefit of hindsight.

We know what happened after that,

which is the 60s, you look at the 60s

and you'd say these are the best cars.

The 70s cars were terrible.

Even most of the 80s were pretty bad.

And so you'd say the 60s were this amazing time.

But we've now, we're now 20 years removed

from this mid 2000s period.

And I wouldn't say that the things that make us

love the mid 2000s cars have gotten better

in terms of cars.

The analog has been lost.

The screens have taken over.

The electronics have taken over.

Automatics have taken over.

Hybrids have taken over.

And to me, that kind of goes back to suggest

that this mid 2000s was sort of the 60s on steroids.

It was like all those 60s cars that were amazing,

but now modern and great.

You know, really I was driving an E28 on five recently

in a video coming out about that shortly.

I'll talk about it more later on.

But I was, there was a period of time

where like you got to the 60s

and then the 70s cars got bad.

It was like, if you look at it as like a curve, right?

And then you went out every,

and then from there every successive car

got better and better and better.

The next one was going to be better

than the one that came before it.

But that really did hit a plateau.

And that's kind of where I think we are now.

In our opinion.

Now he's going to argue that,

well, if you're a teenager now,

you think the Rivalto is the coolest thing ever made.

And it is cool.

Every generation has their pinup Lamborghini.

That is true.

But I think for someone that actually go

and drive and use these cars,

I think you'd be more blown away

by the experience of some of the older cars.

I do think from a driver's perspective,

it's hard to ignore that the cars more recently

have become more sanitized,

more plug-in hybrid, more automatic.

And the mid-2000s cars gave you a similar fast,

but still had all those benefits.

And I think that's where they really hit.

Two things here.

One, we need to start our own event

that's like Radwood,

but only for 2000 and 2009.

Give or take.

That would be awesome.

They cut off their era at 99,

which is like right when things started to get good.

But I think that's part of the point of Radwood.

Like the point of Radwood is that-

If you got an SF-90, we are sending you away.

We're dot-com wood.

But yeah.

If you were around from the dot-com bubble

to Lehman Brothers going away, you are welcome to.

I think the point of Radwood in part though

is to celebrate kind of the two unloved decades.

I agree, but I'm just saying,

if there was a show that was only like 2000 to 2009,

like before Rich,

I would travel great distances.

It wouldn't be cool enough yet though.

There's too many of those cars

still like around us traffic.

We need another 10 years.

They also bend it a little bit.

Like the 39 came out in the late nineties

and so they include those usually.

But don't you also think Lehman Brothers going away

ruined the party,

all the clatterized debt obligations and so on.

Had that not happened, right?

Cause that was when the Mercy SV came out,

this SLR 722 and other icons of that era.

Yep, the SLR 722, think of it every day.

Exactly.

So had that not happened in an alternate universe,

and we would have just kept iterating from there.

Maybe.

The CEO killed, maybe.

There was always going to be an environmental component.

And honestly, I think automatic transmissions

were always going to start showing up

because the cars had gotten so fast.

Yeah.

You know what you kind of regret in hindsight too

is that the single clutch,

like E-gear style cars didn't extend longer

because those are swappable.

And how do we just stuck the E-gear for a while?

We have complained so much.

We could have manual event-a-doors.

Well, I want to.

We could have manual.

Well, the event-a-door is a single flight.

Let's end on this.

Oh yeah, you could.

Let's end on this.

The event-a-door is theoretically swappable.

It is.

I don't know why that doesn't exist yet.

Especially since there's way more of those

than there are of Mercy, Diablo, and Kudash combined.

I'll tell you why though.

It's because there's no center console.

Right?

But we could fabricate one of those.

We could fabricate one of those.

We can make it.

You can put it like the CGT

and just replace the Audi MMI screen.

I'm telling you, I realized that.

I don't need that anymore.

I realized that the event-a-door production

was greater than all of the V12s.

They combined, they came before it.

But I do think there is something very special

about that car.

If you could convert that,

that would be one of the coolest cars on the road.

That's the corollary to my Range Rover full-size.

Everyone also wants an event-a-door deep down.

They don't admit it, but they want one.

I, look at that.

Look at that picture.

It looks cool, but I'd rather have a Kudash.

But.

Of course.

But.

Okla, legit.

This car is swappable.

Yeah.

And someone someday is gonna do it.

I'm not gonna get on it.

I'm a buyer.

Yeah.

Who's that?

Talked mid-2000s.

I mean, this was actually the last.

I wonder what the holdup is,

if it's also like in a TCU.

Well, I think it's entirely the center console.

The center console.

And the center console.

I don't think the software has that much to do with it.

Your car is like actually just a.

Speaking of all of your experience swapping cars.

Well, because in what I learned from your auction is,

it's just a manual transmission that they automate.

Right, right.

That's the same thing.

It's so different.

Well, yes.

But there was a manual that pre-existed in his car

and like the software for the computer

can recognize that.

Well, yeah.

But you get in there with a couple of BPPs.

Yeah.

Just like how you thought you would program the site yourself

back in the early days.

You saw Kamisa this weekend on Instagram

with his Radio Shack voltmeter.

He gets in there with his Radio Shack voltmeter.

He reprograms an event or a boom.

A couple of BPP boops and then he's there.

I legitimately think that an even harder component

of this is the center console situation,

more than the transmission.

I bet they'd figure it out.

And metal smoke.

Someone figured it out.

And that'll be amazing.

Yeah.

Okay.

We have to end here because Kenan has to take off

his racing suit.

Yeah.

I'm stunned that it's cold in here.

You look good in it though.

I must say.

Thanks.

The colors are great.

Absolute pleasure.

Thank you so much.

Nick, thank you for coming.

Thank you for gracing us with an SLR.

I feel good about that.

I am very sad.

I can't believe that the Mercia logo getting picked up

was five minutes before we started filming.

Like it started me a little sad.

What an end, you know?

But it was, it's an end of a really great era

with the Mercy.

I'm gonna miss that.

Meanwhile, Kenan's taking off the jacket.

He just, he just did.

It's flame retardant.

He just did the Kazakhstan GP

and he needs to, is that one of them?

No, but the Phoenix Grand Prix

and it did drive at the Phoenix Grand Prix.

Arizona?

Yes.

Wow.

That's a real thing.

That's where the CrurGT's V10 went, wasn't it?

Yep, the Footwork V10, that's right.

Okay, we're done here.

Goodbye, everyone.

Bye.

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