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Dave Polage. Happy Saturday, America. You'll listen Let's Talk Cars Radio on

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with Camera Chaos and AVB. It is a great day so far for a

radio show and car shows. Hopefully weather. You know, I've get all

the kind of reports of gonna be some bad weather and briber berber ber and you know, far and we managed to hang in there. But hey,

keep your head up. I think in our area it's like gonna be five

days of rain is what it's supposed to be. So I don't know,

this is like one of those areas. If you don't like the weather,

you wait about ten minutes and it changes because we're right between a bunch of different coastline and everything else. So definitely we'll just kind of keep your eyes

on it. I can tell you right now, my grass needs it like

you wouldn't believe. Everything is so dry, so brittle. I hope you

guys are having a great Fourth of July weekend. I hope you guys did

some great celebration and enjoyed yourself and maybe you guys got that extra couple of days off to make it a nice long weekend. I know a lot of

people did talk to a lot of people are heading to a lot of different car events. So that's why I'm fingers crossed that the rain holds off or

wherever you guys are, whatever state you guys are listening to, because talked to a lot of people are like, man, I can't wait. It's

gonna be a great, nice long week and I could go hang out with the car and stuff. But yeah, how do you guys do it?

So far, so good, not too bad. Yeah, So this week's

show, I'm just gonna jump into it. Rolling, Rolling, Rolling,

Rolling, Rolin so if you don't know because you're not directly involved with it.

The CDK, I think that is what they call. It is what

it's called now CDK A couple has been down. And if you don't know

what that means, it means every single dealership and or department that runs off of that system. It's basically car system has been down. You couldn't get

parts, you can't sell cars, you can't do accounting, you can't do service on cars, you name it. If it's tied into that, you

couldn't do it. And it has been over a week now of being down,

and they got hacked, and there is a ransom. I heard this

rageous amount of money to get the hacked, to basically turn the system back over. Look, I mean it might be a lot of money, but

I'll offer it to you at a twenty one point nine percent. And hey,

you know, here was the thing. So I was having a conversation

with somebody in one of the forms and it supposedly it affects like fifteen thousand dealerships across the country. Right, So, and then I heard that the

ransom it could be like up to ten million dollars. Well, if you

just take ten million and you divide it between fifteen thousand dealership. It's not

a lot of money. I mean, you just pay it, move on.

It's not it's not what generation did you come? Ten million dollars is

a lot of money. Fifteen thousand, how many departments it's divided against,

it's ten million dollars. So here's the thing. So this is this is

how this you don't really realize and this is the reason why. And this

too shows today's show is kind of about like technology, right, we keep on pushing ourselves into the technology and you guys know you've heard me say a thousand times I'm for technology a lot of times for a lot of things because I just think it's interesting and where it could take us to. But this

is a perfect example of what we've been talking about for years as far as technology based everything. Right, there's no protection in technology that makes me feel

comfortable when it comes to cars or any of the programs or any of that kind of stuff that we use. There's nothing that makes me feel wholesome and

safe when it comes those type of programs. You know we talked about before.

Okay, so we all know that you know, ev cars, electric cars are you know, are are big. Now, I believe in my

statements I've said a thousand times that everybody who really wants one and really needs to have one or anything like that has already gone out and purchased it, right, Like that's the reason why you know, electric cars have you know, sales are dropped off, you know, but there is you know, there's a place for them for certain people. It works. Now. Dawn,

my wife had just visited California and she said, is a complete you know what show at the charging stations. She's like, yeah, she had

the charging stations for well because she had to go shopping. There's a lot

of there's tons like like not like here. You go to stores and there's

tons of charging stations at all the stores. And she said she literally saw

like almost many fights breakout over charging, like people yelling, you know, like move you're done, you know, like just craziness like stuff that we're not dealing with yet. Now, I I believe that for the most part,

California seems to be pretty It's pretty laid back in a lot of areas.

It is. It is. It just depends on where you go.

So one of the things that she was telling me about. She was like,

when was the last time you were to California? I said, well,

last time, I think you and I all almost we went when we weren't We're supposed to our extended vacation. There was a stop in California,

which wasn't one of our places we were supposed to go to, but we ended up in California. We're going right back down, like you were going

down. Where were we going? Oh, we're decided to stop in California

for the night. Yeah, that's a whole other story, and you get

into it was weird, but uh so it's the there's a lot of late She said, you know, one thing that the drivers were laid back And I was like, we surely weren't all stoned me And she's like she's like everybody like lets you in. She's a stop And I say, it's just

the area you're in. I'm like, you were there nice. That's exactly

what she says. She's like, they were so nice. She's like,

you know, I saw people that are like stopping and waving people in.

She goes, that doesn't happen where we're at. I'm like, she's like

maybe, And I said I had to make that joke. I was like,

I don't know's they were waiting in the like come on and stuff, and so we were joking about it and it's funny. I was just like,

and then she starts telling me about all the eedy stuff that she saw while she was there. She's like, you know, it's it's tenfold what

it is here, right, Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. You

in California they push electric vehicles like you wouldn't believe if you guys didn't know, if you don't live in California, it's big. And there's certain cities

outside of California then in other states that it's big. Again, California is

just one of those ones that we talked about a lot, though. I

guess because they're like the first people that try things. I guess they're not

scared trilogy. That's reason why tell me Valley? Well, yeah, Silicon

Valley really exists anymore? What I mean? Look, I don't okay,

so Silicone Valley, you guys know, it's huge, like it was big.

We're talking about technology and all the tech companies like went bankrupt and it all kind of went away. And I don't even think they even call it

Silicon Valley anymore. Maybe they do. I don't know. Some people correct

me and tell me how they do. But it was a big thing.

But there's still a lot of technology based companies there. Maybe that's the reason

why the West Coast still think is it So that's the reason why, maybe not for the hype it was or something like that still includes the headquarters of more than thirty businesses in the Fortune one Yeah, but what Fortune one thousand?

How many was it? How many were how many were like in business

when tech was like on the on the rise, there's probably thousands of them, you know there at that time or something like that. You know,

it's kind of hard to say it, do the parson, But it's their vehicles out there, like you see tons of like when you're on the West Coast. I always noticed when we visit the West Coast and when we get

out there quite a bit, everything's a little different. Like the common cars

you see on the road are a little different than what you see out here as a common vehicle. And it's probably needs based or whatever, but it

is like you see a lot a lot of electric vehicles in the West.

You just you just see them and maybe they got more charging stations whatever, like Nathaniel and I were talking about, so I saw this this whole business base thing right where you buy twelve and Thaniel I talk about, you buy like twelve charging stations and you install them and then the cost to do so and then the return is was astronomical return within the first like a year and a half. But you got to have, you know, the money to

be able to perch starting and then put into the startup money. But if

you had that startup money, the craziness and then him and I were talking about, like, you know, do you think it would be worth to do something like that? And my answer to that would be like yeah,

because I don't think electric cars are going away anytime soon. We're going to

you to push towards them. You're gonna see more of them and eventually everything.

I always knows, things on the East Coast catch up usually about three to four years. We're usually behind what the West Coast is doing. We

want to admit that or not, we're just late, which really lark and music used to be that way too, So like I remember back and I was I told the kids, like in the eighties, stuff from the west coast versus moving north or going towards the east. Everything was a little bit

on the back side, Like what become real popular wasn't popular until it almost felt like a year and a half later than it seems like everything caught up.

So time to catch up, right, So I think that's going to be the case with on analogy base. Paul Revere used to have to ride

a horse to tell messages back then, So what can we expect now with technology? Well, my problem with it is is so they were able to

hijack the system that makes everything that we know in love basically in the car world come to a stop. You couldn't you couldn't get parts, You couldn't

you couldn't do anything for the beast you're trying to do things to do it, you could't ord parts, You couldn't do anything. So you're just at

a stop. On top of that, because technology and computers and everything all

is generated and it's all connected together, the secondary sources were having problems getting parts because if they source their parts through somebody who uses a system that you know, it's well, my mind went to a right, So this is this is gonna sound crazy, right, but my mind went to thinking about computer software. Right, Okay, so if we were able to hack into

the car dealership software, what if we didn't make it known, right, What if we just kept the back door open and we were putting software on people's cars because we were already in the dealerships and then when we really wanted to this week, so it was like, Okay, if you can hack into that system, what's keeping them from hacking into the backside, like you said, of cars? And then at any point in time, a year

from now, two years from now, whatever, you just launch software that's are you already installed. You make it go active where you can take control

of things. You can shut down with the cars you don't want to start,

theyn't want to do anything, all that kind of stuff. And that's

where that conversation went. For the scary technology conversation this week, everybody's like,

well, if we can get in, they can get in here, what's keeping them from getting into this and that? And I think the answer

to that is nothing. Nothing. I mean, like, here's the thing.

I'm one of those believers that we have locks on things to keep the honest honest, not to keep the thieves out. Because the thie always find

a way to put the but the lock does the job of it. They

always just find a get around well other than the lot. That's what like

some people don't realize is like it's not the lock that failed. They just

found a solution that wasn't that wasn't even a bad lock. There's just a

good work. No, no, no, it's all no. But it

did though. They just found an alternative pass so therefore it didn't work.

That problem. There's just a certain problem that you didn't figure. You didn't

put a lot. Always sell on that one every single time we talk about

it. If it was human made and it was created by it can be

dismayed by human I mean, come on now, and now we have AI which can think harder than a human. So I think we're gonna have to

up our security quite a bit for a lot of these technologies that's going into cars and stuff like. Here's here's my thought on that. I understand your

theory that we're building locks on technology to try to keep people out and stuff like that, and the lock worked, but it didn't work and stuff like that. To me, it's almost like putting a lock where they advertise the

lock. This lock cannot be cut by bolt cutters. This is anti bolt

cutter safe. And you put it on a chain link fence. Right,

No, right, it's changing. It's like putting those those videos where people

are like, this is the world's best lock and they put it over a pole, but there's an opening on the poles. It is the same thing.

It's like the video of the guy that is what they say, like what kind of drug season where he's standing in the street and he's paling the water out and he's throwing it over the fence out of his yard because you know, the whole street flooded and it flooded his front yard. He's standing

in his front yard with a bucket and he's scooping up water with a bucket and throwing it over his fence. But it's a chain link fence. You

haven't seen that video. I don't care. If there was a chain link

fence, it would have gone through any other fence. You Like, it

is even stupid because it's a change even if you thought that like a regular fence will keep you can see it, right, I mean like he's doing it, like and I see that's what I think of when I think about technology now, I told you guys like I'm not I like technology for a lot of things when it comes to the automotive excuse me when it comes to the automotive world, but I don't like it when it comes to ordering parts for a bunch of different reasons. I okay, Well, technology though,

and I'll let you go to that. I do feel like we can already

kind of stop a lot of it from happening by if we put like an own piece of technology in the car. And remember how we were talking about

how like we're going to start upgrading the computers in the car where it's now going to know where it is. Absolutely they're going to add features like that

idea. But I'm scared of that idea for I reason that's going to be

like because I've always talked about me and you've talked about how where I've said, like, create the main system in the car as like the brain, but then it needs to go talk to something to make sure so it doesn't get safety. I just want to safety. I want safety. And this

may not be saying I robot, I'm gonna say I have That's the reason why I want safety. If you all didn't. If you all saw the

video. We're talking about the Tesla truck that took off on its own because

something with the throttle and decided to do its own thing and it just took off. Watch the video Tesla saying I haven't heard a whole lot from them,

And you guys know, I'm a fan of Tesla. I just I

think it's how we move forward in technology. But go check out that video,

because that right there is like one of those things that scares me about technology. It just does. I got some more on this. I gottake

quick. You should break when I come back. I got some more for

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Now back to your host, Dave Polach Hey guys, welcome back to the show. So before we went to commercial break, we were talking about

the technology everything and being down this last one a little over a week now when it comes to dealership as far as parts and service and all the different stuff that's is this effect that's been kind of crazy. So here's the thing

that kind of like really gets me when it comes to technology and everything being computer based and all. So I have forever complained and maybe it's just me

that worries about it. I don't like computer based. I'm old school,

like I don't mind still calling the part place and you know, hey, I'm looking for such and such part whatever. Everybody does everything through computer.

Maybe it's just because I'm old school whatever, But here's reason why. So

I forever have had conversations right up to this last past week where people have asked me what I thought about X, Y, and Z when it comes to buying online, right, car stuff. I don't know if you guys

have the same problem and other stuff other than car related stuff, but there is a big problem. And here's there's nothing that governs anything when it comes

to buying stuff. Really, I mean you what I mean by that is

Let's just say you find a transmission online and you decide you want it right and you're like, oh, I go buy this transmission for two thousand dollars.

All right, good deal, right, because here, let's just say here locally whatever, it's forty five hundred dollars. You're like, no,

I'm saving twenty five hundred dollars. Now you know nothing about what you're purchasing,

and it shows up on your Doorsteff, And this happens this. I

can tell you how many times this stuff happens to people. Let's just say

you need a transmission for a twenty fifteen Chevy Silverado, okay, and you know you thought you were ordering well, realistically it's probably about fifty two hundred bucks parts and later if you had somebody to do it. Let's just say

you decide you're going to buy the transmission online and you want to bring it and have somebody install it locally, or maybe you want to put in yourself.

And you find the transmission for two thousand dollars. What are you giddy?

Okay? So, and what I mean by they're like, well,

I'm getting my transmission from my truck, you meaning very well, what if you get it here and it's not the right transmission where return on the other of courser is sometimes is okay, what's the cost of that though, right, So you get it here and ship it back. You're going to eat

some costs on that. I guarantee it. You're gonna eat some costs on

shippar. Well, let's see, maybe it right or whatever it may be.

When you find a company that doesn't have doesn't have the return on it, right, But now what does it really cost you? It cost you

the time and everything else. Now that's the simple simple parts of ordering things

online and how technology just scares me. It comes to doing a lot of

stuff in that manner right where it looks good on the outside. But I

can go buy a transmission from the Junkyard, okay for fifteen hundred dollars maybe two hundred, three hundred thousand miles on it, and I bring it home.

This happens. I'm gonna tell you this happens. I tape everything up,

I spray painted with some nice scrange silver spray paint so it looks nice and newy. I wrap it up and I ship it to you. You

paid me two thousand dollars for right, I paid two I mean, let's just say about fifteen hundred dollars. I made five hundred dollars. But I'm

selling it to you online as a brand new whatever it may be. You

have no idea if it is or isn't here and you're like, why no, you won't know. And here's the problem with that. You're not going

to tear it apart, your brand new transmission, right, You're not gonna take it all apart to go verify it. You're just people do now if

you opened it up and looked inside of it and you knew what you were doing, but you obvious don't, because that's reason why you're buying one.

You know, you know you may very well see that everything and it's just as old as it was the day it was in the Junkyard's got two hundred and one thousand miles. I'm sure it probably worked in the vehicle when it

was towed to the junk yard. But you didn't get what you paid for

and you don't know it. You there's no way to know. And let's

just say you put in the truck and it works for two months, and or it works for a week, or it doesn't work at all, which is usually what happens, and then you call the person that you bought it from, like, hey, I bought this from you to like he has no responsibility. Rather he's got a website or not. He has no responsibility

to do anything for you, and nobody's gonna make him. Do you think

we're nobody's gonna make you think with technology, we're ever gonna come to the point where we're going to like start putting codes on parts where those used parts can only be used for the car that it was put on. There need

somehow for that, right, because like I can totally see that being a thing where we put a code into certain parts and we won't be able to use them anymore from like like certain parts, we won't be able to reuse them. I feel like manufacturers are gonna make us have to buy brand new

parts all right because of the code. Inside the conversation I just said,

So, I had somebody that I talk with and they bought a computer for their vehicle online through a company that looks now keep them up online. I

can make myself look like whatever I want, right, So yeah, I just I can build a Really we've gone through that, Yeah, I can build a really cool website. I can look like whatever I want to look

like. I can look like I got a warehouse. It's as big as

the world building everything I can make the inside of the warehouse show shelves full of parts available for you. But you don't know what you're really dealing with.

I have done that in the past, done some research in the past on places that I needed to buy some from. And when I actually get

right down to it and I break do a little research and break down the address, it's like a house with a one car garage. Is what the

is. What the address comes in, but that's not what it shows on

the website. And that's somebody who is interesting business people, but he's perpetrated

himself as something he's not right. He's shuffling product right, and the minute

you have a problem, here's what they can do. It's it's crazy that

this happens. But let me supplier. Did you know that I looked it

up. People are allowed to open up what's called ghost shops, ghost shops,

ghost companies, And what it is is it's a secondary name for the primary company, but they use a ghost name because most people, for example, bad association. It's going to be it's going to be off cars just

a little bit. But Costco. Costco has a whole different name for their

pizza department on Uber Eats. Did you know that they call themselves And this

is a known thing with auto parts suppli ghost things. Yeah, it's called

ghost stores. Well I won't say it's a ghost store. But anybody was

in the car business. Everybody knows the Advance Auto Parts right, But it

was also a PI and which sold a lot of stuff. It had no

if they didn't want to have the affiliation with you other, but they were the same. I mean three years now, three or four, Fred would

know car car Quest. I mean car Quest was swapped over to Advanced Autopartment

there this happened, but they're all advanced. You get back to the story.

So this guy bought a computer that he needed for his vehicle. And

now I know that the computers are obsolete. You cannot write the second get

your hands on one. You just can't. You can't. So when he

was like, oh, well, you know, I found one that was online, and instead I'm like, it's not gonna work. Guarantee, it's

not gonna work. And then they get mad at you. They called for

your advice. They want your advice, and I'm giving advice. It's a

cheaper option. It wasn't though. It really it's just you. You can't

get one, right, like you cannot find I know you can't get your hands on one. I'm like, I'll jump online because like it's like I

talk to people in forums are like that. People ask a lot of questions

because the radio show, and if I got a little bit of time, I'll do some research and stuff. I jump online. I know that you

can't get one. It's obsolete. The dealerships are backlog and don't know where

they're at when they're ever gonna get one. And then all magically somebody online

has one and I'm like, it's not gonna work. And he's like,

well, how do you know it's not gonna work. I'm like, because

it's a broken one that probably came out of this guy's car that's gonna sell you. It's not gonna work and you're not gonna know the difference. Right

now, here's the thing. Here's what really irritates me when it comes to

things like that number one. If it's a computer that has to be programmed

and it's it's used. It's not gonna take any programming to it because it's

programmed to your ven and you can't reset the ven in a lot of them, so it's junked you. But the person selling you that is not going

to sell the tell the guy at the other end of the computer any of that information. Right, He's like, I just I got one. He's

put up for sale and it doesn't work, so against your project, right against my better advice. It was purchased okay, And it wasn't purchased for

little money. I mean the new computer I think was fourteen fifteen hundred dollars

is what it was new, Okay, Yet I think he paid nine for this one. Nine bucks. Gets it in, puts it in, and

guess what, it doesn't do. It don't work. It has the same

problem that the one he has in his vehicle has, because they all are breaking with the exact same problem. Now, you contact the person that you

bought it from online and right here ghost like they're doing nothing for you.

And even if they have a legitimate okay, even if they have a legitimate web page, because everybody goes, well, I bought it for a place that has a legitimate web page, and I'm like, that doesn't mean anything, And let me tell you why, because I can close down that web page today. I could open up a new web page tomorrow with a new

name, and I can redirect that web page anytime anybody goes that web web page goes my new name, and that's me, and I can block the other person who I don't want don't want to, I mean, and because there's nobody governing it. There's no governance over anything that's online and the technology

that goes along with the idea your due division it is. But that's where

the technology comes becomes scary, right, because we're making cars run on everything technology, but there's nobody truly governing anything. There's no governance. There's so

many open waves, so many called it. Cameron and I have had the

conversation sometimes it's like, because guys, I'm not a big computer person.

Now my two kids they are. They know more than I do. And

that's great because your kids should surpass you in knowledge on a lot of things.

Right, there's knowledge seven gives that they don't have, but they have knowledge where they schooled me all the time. And I think that's terrific because

I just don't know. And but Cameron and I have had conversation for years

now. He's like, Dad, if you just knew how open things were

on the back end of a lot of things, it would blow your mind and scare you. And I'm legitimately getting scared on some of the stuff because

it's cameras. I mean, let's just think about our traffic cameras for one

second. We just came out with a report where and I it's funny because

after we talked about it on the show, I've been watching our traffic cameras like like a hawk. But it does doesn't. But so they talked about

how they were going to bring a I into traffic cameras. Absolutely where they

talk they want to do it so bad. It's not where it was going

to track our speed. So let's say and next time you're next time you

see a yellow light, and I want to use technology to track your speed, but I don't want to recognize in the court system, so so bad.

Right, it's gonna it's gonna help, you know, maintain traffic routes.

At the same time, you know it could be used to you know, you know, look at you, and you can't say you don't recognize it in court of law and then want to use it to give me tickets.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying no. And it's not too soon.

I got to soon. It's not too soon. Hold that got a

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welcome back. Hey, So, before we went to commercial break,

cameras diving into kind of like the traffic signal things, right, I know that I know I have a bad view of it. I have a bad

view of it because, like I said, because the ticket I got, and I don't think it's fair that you can use the technology against me.

But you don't. You don't recognize technology in the court of lage yet,

which is just mind blowing to me that we're this far advance into technology.

But here's the thing. You have technology making decisions and they wanted to make

more decisions. Yet there's no save cards on the backside you do. And

so I've thought about this, right, So I got you. So remember

how I was talking about I really remember we talked about it on the show very briefly, but where I said that we should take AI and with all the traffic cameras that we have, we should be able to put it into the traffic cameras and have them control the light sequence. Okay, we're doing

that. So there was a report that came out and it's we can move

traffic quicker view. You can and because it can, it can see multiple

things down progressive that I told you guys about. So if you guys don't

don't remember, I told you about the progressive of where they wanted to mess with the traffic lights where the man you could literally bring the cars right through intersection and have just each other because the cars are all talking to each other and everybody's like, there's no way, and I'm like, let me show you some video of this being tested where they literally remove the traffic lights and had the cars just talking to each other and then they could just moves without hitting each other. And I was just like that, I mean, that

was the next time you go through a stop light, not go through it, but next time, next time you see a light churn yellow and you make it right if you're the only one that's going through it right and you see the light turn yellow, Normally the light would turn yellow or turn red.

Now it's programmed where if you're going a shirt to speed or you're going longer, holds yellow longer. So next time you go and watch next time

you go through and you're not happening. But now when you go through a

yellow light, watch when a smart light, when you pass that that stop bar, when you pass the stop bar, watch the light. When your

back tires pass the stop bar, the light turn red. Alright, let

me ask you a question, because this has been a the bait for a while that I've gotten the bait with a lot of people. If I'm across

the last white bar, why it's still yellow? I'm good right at the

crosswalk bar, whatever that bar, whatever that bar is, as long as I'm in the intersection, it's still yellow. I'm still good. I'm in

the intersection. I didn't run a red light. Yes, okay, I'm

good. I'm gonna I'm gonna look it up, but I guarantee before I

look it up. What do you guys think it's by if the front tires

are passed or the rear tires. I think it needs to be the rear

tires. If you're rear tires. Say, as long as my front tires

are across that last bar and it's still yellow in the light, I'm gonna say. If all tires are past the bar and then it turns red,

you're good. I think sometimes it's like, oh, you know, yellow

light, you're supposed to slow down and stop. Do you know how many

times if I was stop, like I saw the yellow, and I was to stop at the stop bars, it would still be yellow, and then the guy behind me, he's probably gonna be furious at me because he probably either hit me or wanted to hit me, one of the two. I'm

like, so that's always been my precursor to the decision to make right.

I'm like, if it turns red wine in the middle of because some of the intersections are really long, if it turns red wine going through the intersection, I can't control that it was yellow. I'm not gonna lie. I

mean, most people see yellow and they think it means hurry up, you're gonna miss the light. So that's really what people want to yellow. It

doesn't really mean slow down or hurry right. It just means, you know,

make your decision. What do you mean right? Isn't isn't that what

yellow kind of really make a decision. You're gonna do the decision. It

does not really means slow down or speed up. It just means make a

decision before. At least how I've seen that. I think you're already gonna

make it. Everybody's making the decision to run it. You got to your

hat right now? Is so crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy bad.

It's stick it up so hot. I'm looking over to you. Try not

to laugh. It's like it was like crazy there. But no, I

think I think that it is one of those things that it's interpretation to each person. Like I said, my aunt Barbara, she used to give me

hard time all the time when I when I was first learned, and she'd be like, I used to slow when I was a kid. I would

slow down for the yellow and she would just like, what are you slowing down for? And I'm like, well, it's turning, it's it's yellow,

and she was like, you're supposed to step on the gas harder.

I would have never thought in a million years that's what I would be taught, just like when I was being taught how to drive. So my mom

when she was teaching when I was driving my mom I first learned how to drive. She couldn't. I think she couldn't watch me drive, is what

the reason she would pick up a book and just start writing and reading a book while I was driving. She paid attention to nothing I was doing.

She just read a book, and I think because she just got to keep her her head down to keep occupied so she wouldn't freak out. But I

would drive like I drove long distances. So from my house to my grandma's

house was almost an hour ride, and I would drive that when I first learned how to drive. But here was the thing I think I told you

guys. I know people say this. I was like a natural born driver

I had. I had wanted to drive for so long as a very young

age that when I got to the age of being able to drive, like I couldn't have been like more happier to be able to drive. I mean,

I was just ecstatic about driving. So, like I told you,

nobody had to teach me how to drive stick. I saw it on TV

enough times that I the first time I sat behind a five speed, I didn't I didn't mess up. I just drove it. I just I I

literally and I know that sounds weird, but I just watched it so much time, watched so much racing stuff, so much car stuff, so much things that once you know how, when you know how it works, you can kind of understand the motion. Okay, but that's not normal, right,

Like it's not that's not to certain people. I mean, I could

say I did the same thing, So I can't tell you that's you know, yeah, fluid. I mean, I remember you owned your first car,

and I was just like, it was this is this is a forty year old memory. Okay, you don't know how good you really did.

Okay in your memory that that thing drove down the road. And I'm gonna

tell you because I remember the first time that I remember the first time I drove a five speed, Like, no, I remember, but I can, and it's it's vivids can be. It was not your truck. It

was not my truck. I told you guys, it wasn't my truck.

I was asked, I was like, hey, can you drive five speed?

I'm like, oh yeah, dude, I had never drove one a day in my life, nothing, but I drove it. And they didn't

and they were no, none of the wiser. They had no idea,

Like they wasn't like, oh you can't that they had no idea. I

remember. That's because it wasn't new. It was all it was rough.

And I'll tell you, I remember the first time I drove a Volkswagen Bug sixty six. Bug that I drove and it didn't shift like a truck did,

Like it just shifted weird. You know, if you ever been in

the bug that just shifts a little weirder and stuff like that new And everybody's like, ever drove a bug? No, it wasn't newer, and they're

like, ever drove bug? I was like, oh yeah, no,

I wasn't gonna say no because it was like the only option of what to drive, you know what I mean. It's like I needed to go someplace.

It's the only thing was being offered to me. And I'm like,

sure I can draw that. I remember sitting down in the bug going and

the reason why is because I think on that bug, I've been behind the wheel a bunch of bugs, But I believe that's when where I had to push down and get it to go in reverse, you know, I mean, And I didn't nothing about that, Like I was had the European reverse.

Yeah. Yeah, so I was like, I was like, I

was trying to figure it out. And of course you're you're look out the

window of the person that you borrow the cars from, smiling to you, and you're sitting in here smiling as he knows he's going to see how you do? You know what? You're like? I got this, But so

all right, all right, hold on, you're looking at is the front tires. However, it is up to the office show to determine if it

was if you cause an accident, if it was a safe maneuver or not, depending on speed, being depending on the light close. Well I was

five lights back us, all the yellow from all the way there. Yeah,

that's speed a factor. If you were too close to another vehicle,

that's another factor. Safety of it. Yep. So basically the safety of

overall of how you're driving was is what the factor is if you ran the yellow light or not to effect. But then, Virginia, here's the problem.

You know, my problem with that is is this open to interpretation.

That's the only problem. That's the only problem I had with that description.

Well that's what it so it says it's up to the judge to be able to well, it's up to the officer to present his case on why he didn't think it was a safe maneuver to the judge. The judge you know,

yeah, you The judge feels like here he has just found out and his court case was moved camera another room to cars up here, like you did really well. And I'm like, hey, man, I said,

you didn't. Really she did? No, he didn't. He I was,

you know, a little you know, you know, the man walked out of there with two tickets, right and only paid sixty dollars in fees.

I think you did. I'm gonna tell you this the what I got,

Like I said, had had one twenty five years. Dog said the

same thing. You know you. I didn't realize you speak so well in

court. First of all, I had to go to court. I just

have to go to court all the time. I told you guys this,

you have to go sit in court and present stuff all the time. So

I am believe or not as cookie as I maybe, what do you?

I'm actually well versed in speech. They've been with me enough. Speak very

well, is his number one thing. He kept saying to the judge and

stuff and stuff. I swear I was I did. I swear I didn't

stuff because I'm like thinking, like, where would I inswer? You know,

I wasn't watching myself, so I can't argue that. But I swear

I know, like I was like, you spoke so well. I was

like, yeah, but it didn't do me any good. I brought all

my evidence with me. It did be absolutely when me and the thing,

it was the last person standing in the courtroom, right, That's why they gave him a discount. By the that's what the judge said, We're gonna

give you a discount. But they looked at me and pointed like I was

ready to go on trial. I was like, no, I have no

tickets, Like no, I'm just here to I came here for the joy of it. Just I cant just in case he ends up in jail.

Here, I gotta take another courcier break. Wake up back, we'll touch

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You're automotive specialist. Now back to your host, Dave Polach. Hey,

guys, welcome back. So here's the thing I said. The whole show

has kind of been a big about technology, and we've talked about a bunch of different manners over the years and stuff. But it is pretty scary when

you think about that, just the smallest little hack and freeze everything, and we've just started touching the basic like technology of putting that into car think about everything else, talk about electric grids, think about electric chargers, think about you know, I mean, if if we can get into everything, if we can get into a main dealership program that is used twenty four to seven and they keep up to date on their security and it still got hacked, think about all of I really do feel like, and I'll call it here

on the show, I feel like there's going to be a hack that comes down the road where we are going to be able to get free charging, where people are going to find because we were able to create we were able to create flippers where we're able to control Tesla gas doors to pop open just from a code. There's going to be a code that activates that. That

electric hack this week a whole other topic. You all see a new hack

this week where the guys at the h the automatic car wash and he's using the speaker and he's activating the car wash to give him credits. Yes speaker,

Yes, yes, I see things like that. I know that's not

really technology base, but it is just a certain degree. I mean,

it is computerizing. It works, but like it's your right. The charging

is going to be the next will be the next thing. We were talking

about it before, way before they started the show, and I was like, if you guys look at the average cost to like charge your car at an EV station, it's cheap, but it's not cheap. It's not I

know you guys think cheaperd think about every time that you need to plug in.

It could be from twenty to forty dollars to plug in. That's more

than gasoline. No, it's EV's only Look. EV is only affordable if

you are charging it all now. Yeah, if you are and you're kind

of building yourself to live the EV life, I mean like almost. I

think let's it's like ten dollars a charge. If you's like ten dollars every

time charges for the V vehicle, you're most likely looking at putting a solar panel system on your home to get power. You're if you are dipping into

the EV world, you're dipping in to see how to save our Let's just say, but let's say you spend fifteen thousand dollars put a solar system or I know that's cheap. It's cheap because you're a forty four the contract by

the time you recoup that money. Okay, it's not cheap if you break

it up by years, recoup that money. You are hoping that that solar

system outlasts the car. You are hoping it should. I mean most people

get rid of their electric cars within five minute. Some of the get rid

of it. I mean I just had somebody has a hybrid, right and

the hybrid system is going bad on the car. So electrical or the mechanical

side of everything works. The electrical side of it. I think we're going

to fix that in the future too. But here's the problem. The cost

to fix it is not worth the value of the car. So it's like

you have a car that essentially is probably a twenty thousand dollars vehicle, but it needs a ten thousand dollars battery packs mark my word. Like it's not

worth mark my word. There is going to be a manufacturer that comes out

there where they are just going to build the frames for the cars, put the battery pack on it, and all the manufacturers jobs are going to need to do is to drop up the frame on top of that battery. I

know that they are working on like reducing the size of the battery and making them last long. Okay, So there's so much if I get like that,

want to work on that, it's you know, it's it's tons of companies are trying to work on that technology r because everbody wants me the first of the next thing. But it doesn't change the fact that once we hook

all this stuff up and everything starts to fucking power has to come from somewhere.

The power has to come from somewhere. The technology is going to be

this car talking to this car through a mainframe of subthings. I've always nothing,

we're moving forward technology, but we're doing nothing to protect ourselves and or seems like work on the cost of it, you know what I mean.

So that's really I mean, we kind of are though, and but you know, you got to take a little bit of negative before you see positive, right, And that's kind of what we're seeing, right. That's why

I always defend Tesla right, right, And so because you know, with us move into electrical you know, electric cars and technology putting out wise, at least everything is one flow, right, and so we only need one abundance of one thing, but with that cost of it, and so then it comes you know, you know, implementation of you know, more power plants and chargers, but when you build all that stuff and there's no security, it seems like based around any of that, nothing to protect us as a consumer, nothing security in what way? Because there's security and a certain

thing packed or okay, I mean, okay, there is to a certain degree, right because I mean when you buy, say, you know, when you pay to charge your car and stuff through a credit card, so we all, you know, we all trust our credit cards and our debit cards. So like it's not it's not a big difference what you're using today,

but there's always gonna be a small little thought about credits that someone doesn't know that it's there, and stuff until it's sold once I saw, right, like we talked about earlier in the show and stuff. You know,

you know, you can only put so many locks in so many different places there. I feel like another thing we're going to run into, which is

like a whole other topic. We're going to start seeing skimmers on EV chargers.

I feel like we're going to now take the credit cards skimmers. That's

not really new though exactly can I mean, it's the same problem them, you know, it's just a different different way, right right, It's not it's like so theft theft is theft is theft. We just keep on,

you know, pushing, pushing the cart down the road. It's like,

you know, we had horse theft, you know what I mean, like when people we rideing horses and then that moved automobile theft, it's still this theft of transportation. It's it doesn't matter, it doesn't insert the problem here,

and it's it's just I was having a conversation with Curtis this last past week, right, and we just seem like history does completely repeat itself.

I just really believe that it constantly repeats itself because we but we just changed the objects maybe the time or something like that. But it's the same people

over and over again, just with new objects, new timeline, knew whatever.

But we really are keep on repeating over and over again, same problems.

You know, that's new technology that we're all crazy because if we keep trying to repeat the same thing again expecting a different outcome, then we're well that you're doing it intentionally, right, a lot of times it's not intentionally.

It's just the cycle, and it's you know, nature to a certain technology. Scare you guys, when you know in this instance that we're hooking

automobiles to technology where they can they're gonna be able to drive themselves. We

can do this and now and hopefully charge themselves one day and all the different stuff. But we're not working on the security side of things. What we

are though, Do you ever think that there will be a day and age right where we will have to Because we've never fully had to turn the network off. I feel like there will be a day that we will have to

turn There will be something that goes there will be something that goes on, the world's going to go. We will have to turn the network. What

do you mean by that? You can't really turn everything off. That's not

really how technology can. One of those everything it's the MP but that doesn't

turn right, just destroys, just destroyed whatever. Right, we won't be

able to turn everything. That's why I keep trying to explain to Karen to

certainty, like like when people talk like, you know, this is a little off the topic, but like blockchain wise is like it's always gonna be the time we talk about technology, right, seem like we kind of go outside the car does yeah, it does all, you know, it's a little bit everywhere and stuff. But you know, it's never going to be

destroyed because it's always going to exist somewhere that either wasn't affected or you know, you just cut that connection whatever. Te It's funny because every time we

talk about technology with cars, I get the messages like, oh, well, it was that a car show today or is that a technology showing.

I'm like, you don't seem to understand it's it's intertwining. You not get

away from it if you look, you go to I mean, do you go to sea you Seema was one of the ones that really opened our eyes to it. They have a whole floor for technology, right, and then

you go to any of your technology computer shows. Nowadays they're using cars as

their bases just to demonstrate everything that's being great. Hackathon is now seventy percent

of people hacking cars. I mean, come on now, I mean because

they're paying money to keep them, to keep them from hack. Well.

A good example, right is radio shack, right, because radio you know radio radio shock, radio shack. But you know they had like you know,

our they had our c cars that you know worked from you know, Ragar, the RADIOSTRC car ever made. Is I'm concerned, but like I

don't know that, but I know it was way before your time, but anybody that's my age, but that was like, that was that was the early technology back then, right, instead of like, you know, people are blown me. That's as far as technology went back then. You know,

you people were blown away with it. Yeah. Look, I've watched

I'm older than you guys, obviously, I've watched technology leaps and hurdles jump forward. Like I was having a conversation with my mom a couple of weeks

ago, and I was just like, explain it because I just want to know from that point of view, and I wish I could go back.

You know, I wish my grandmother was still alive because was she around when buggies were there? Buggies, Yeah, my grandmother was. Yeah. So

but to watch the technology, the folds of how everything's changed to the technology advances for me, from you guys were born to them to now, it's like incredible the technology jumps that we've only made in twenty four years. I

mean, it's just it's and it will be even And the conversation I'll have my mom is like, you know, the things that you've seen change over time? How crazy? And then when she started recalling like some of the

first cars she wrote in and stuff and the advancements and cars that now what we have is mind blowing to her versus for where everything started. So just

imagine where I guess when I get to be another twenty years older, how further I think we'll be down the line. I don't think it's gonna be

as fur as far as you think the first Yeah, it's not worried.

That's why I said as far as you think is going to be, because I think we all market we were on a boom. We were we were

on a market boom. I think our market boom, technology boom. I

am in the market boom the market. When our market started skyrocketing, it

helped our technology a lot. I think we just have a lot. I

think we have too much going on in the world right now to Yes, we're focusing on technology, but wait, focused on we are, but we're not pushing for technology far. So that's what I'm scared of. That's the

whole point. We're pushing technology too fast sometimes, but we're also not pushing

technology like we used to back then. So how do you mean hold on?

I want to back then? We were always want to years, We're

always be based around the flying cars. I'm gonna say that in ten years

we'll have the flying car conversation because I think technology is going to push out that. Okay, but what level, right, because we already have flying

cars in a certain degree, So like what level do you think like residential level? You think residential? Okay, so you think every citizen will have

a flying car? Not every citizen. It's gonna be pea residential I means

to one, I think it will be like what the ev market is right the second. So you think it's like like you can go buy a flying

car like you can a regular car. I think you'll be able to go

out and purchase a flying car if you want to within within the next ten years. See, I think you're gonna get a license for that. I

think that's all. That's the only thing that's gonna hang out. If you

guys disagree with us, let me know. I got to get out of

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