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About this episode
Battery care tips kick things off: keep lithium packs near 50% most of the time, skip full charge/discharge myths, and don’t fear DC fast charging as modern BMS manages heat and rates. EV news covers Volkswagen ending U.S. ID.4 production for the Atlas, while Polestar posts its best quarter and leans on expanded showrooms and huge Tesla-owner discounts. Tesla news focuses on Model Y “Zen Gray” (Shanghai-built), FSD Supervised rolling out in the Netherlands, and U.S. FSD 14.3 improvements plus hydroplaning-related mode lockouts. The host also questions Elon’s safety claims for FSD 15, and discusses Tesla disabling a China-based hack that unlocked FSD for over 100,000 vehicles.
Topics:
ev battery care myths
dc fast charging wear
volkswagen id4 us discontinuation
polestar sales growth and showroom expansion
polestar tesla-owner discounts
tesla model y interior color zen gray
fsd supervised rollout in the netherlands
tesla fsd 14.3 safety and hydroplaning mode
fsd 15 safety claims and parameter scaling
tesla can-bus hack disabled in china
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This week on Kilowatt, we have some tips for maintaining lithium battery health to ensure your EV stays on the road longer. We examine Volkswagen's decision to stop producing the ID.4 for the Atlas SUV. On a brighter note, Polestar is celebrating record-breaking sales and aggressive pricing tactics, including a massive incentive designed to win over Tesla loyalists. Tesla enthusiasts will also want to hear about the new "Zen Grey" interior option for the Model Y and the latest safety-focused updates in Full Self-Driving (FSD) v14.3. We wrap up with a critical look at the "hacked" FSD features popping up in over 100,000 vehicles and what this means for the future of autonomous driving safety.
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- Tesla Starts Rolling Out FSD (Supervised) in the Netherlands
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- VW replaces US ID.4 production with 18mpg Atlas SUV as gas prices spike
- Elon Musk: FSD 10x Parameter Upgrade Now Coming With v15
- Musk says Tesla FSD v15 will ‘far exceed’ human safety
- Tesla Replaces White Model Y Interior With Zen Grey Option
- Tesla Disables Hacked FSD as Over 100,000 Cars Use Illegal Mods
- Polestar Wants Tesla Owners To Jump Ship With A Massive $21,000 Discount
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Hello everyone and welcome to Kilowata podcast about electric vehicles, renewable energy, autonomous driving and much, much more.
My name is Bode and I am your host and on today's episode we are going to be going over news.
So let's go ahead and actually, you know what, before we get into it, we had an email from Joe.
Joe listened to the episode with Allison and Ron and he just had some battery tips that he wanted to share with everyone.
So let me, because I am an old man now, make my text bigger so I can read this.
All right, here are some battery tips.
Number one, the happiest lithium batteries stay as close to 50% charge as possible.
Shorter charge and discharge cycles also help maximize battery health.
So that's good to know.
Number two, you don't need to fully charge or fully discharge your EV battery.
The idea that you must do so to calibrate the battery or avoid a memory effect is outdated and incorrect.
And just so you know, I know what Joe does for a living, so these are good tips.
So here we go.
In relation to what we just talked about with calibrating the battery and fully discharging and charging the battery.
He says the memory effect was a real issue with very old nickel based batteries from the 1970s,
but it doesn't apply to modern lithium ion batteries.
Today's EVs have a sophisticated battery management system that accurately track and maintain charge levels without requiring full cycles.
All right, number three, if you typically charge to 80% and return home with around 70%,
consider lowering your charge limit.
Keeping the battery in a narrow, more moderate range reduces long term battery degradation.
If you charge to 90% and arrive home at 10%, you're using your battery as intended.
Don't stress about it.
Enjoy the full range of your vehicle offers.
And I think this is number four because I've lost count.
You don't need to avoid DC fast charging out of fear of accelerated wear or degradation.
The cars system manages temperature and charging rates to protect the battery effectively.
While this can vary from model to model, we will still need to see how fast charging vehicles hold up.
It seems most established EVs don't see much acceleration in degradation so far.
So Joe, thank you so much for sharing that with us.
And hopefully everybody got some good battery tips out of that.
Moving on to our EV news.
Volkswagen is killing the ID4 in the United States.
So instead of building the ID4 at its Chattanooga plant in Tennessee,
Volkswagen is going to build the three-row Atlas SUV, which if you don't know is an internal combustion engine vehicle
that gets a very unimpressive 18 miles to the gallon.
So pour one out for the ID4.
Next up, we're going to talk about Polestar.
Polestar has posted its best financial quarter ever, which is great for the company.
They sold about 13,100 vehicles globally, which is up 7% year over year.
A big driver of their demand is better distribution.
Polestar expanded its showroom footprint by 50%.
So they went from around 154 showrooms or points of sale to 230 locations.
That's thanks in part to Polestar being able to tap into Volvo's dealer network.
And they expect to have 250 sales points or showrooms or dealers or whatever you want to call it by the end of the year.
So good job Polestar.
They're also leaning into their growth mode.
So the new models are coming out, which include the Polestar 5, which is a wagon version of the Polestar 4.
And they have more vehicles planned through 2028.
As far as production goes, Polestar is shifting strategy just a little bit with the Polestar 3.
They are phasing out Chinese production of that model.
And then they are bringing the Polestar 3 here to the US for manufacturing.
And the Polestar 3 will only be manufactured in the US and then sent to other countries as you order them.
You know, Polestar is certainly not exploding in sales when you consider they sold 13,000 vehicles.
But still, I mean, they're growing.
They're growing.
So I think that's awesome.
One of the other reasons why they're growing is they have some very aggressive offers, especially if you own a Tesla.
Right now Polestar is cutting prices of their EVs in the United States up to $21,000 off, which is nutty.
So you have to qualify for this.
You have to own a Tesla to qualify for the full amount.
I should say you have to own a Tesla and then you have to finance a 2025 Polestar 3.
If you don't own a Tesla, I'm sure there are some incentives that Polestar is offering you,
especially if you're coming from another EV.
But if you have a Tesla, you can get $21,000 off up to $21,000 off if you buy a Polestar 3.
And I saw somewhere, well, I actually was talking to somebody yesterday when I was doing an interview for a show that's going to be aired later.
And offline, he was telling me that he has a Polestar 3.
No, yeah, Polestar 3.
And he got a great lease deal.
It was like $5.79.
And then I saw a news article confirming that, so zero down in like $5.79 for a lease,
if that's what you're going for, not a bad deal.
Now, as far as, you know, if you want another vehicle like a Polestar 4,
because we don't have Polestar 2s here in the U.S. anymore.
If you want to Polestar 4 and you're a Tesla owner, you can get up to $14,000 off if you're looking, like I said, at a Polestar 4.
Deals like this are available till the end of April.
And I would, you know, visit Polestar dealers for details,
because I'm sure there are other things available to folks who don't have Teslas and are wanting to switch over to a Polestar.
From everybody that I have talked to that has driven or owns a Polestar, it's hard to go wrong.
I mean, there are certainly problems with the vehicle, you know, small issues, annoyances,
but I don't think that any car is perfect and they're going to have small annoyances.
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All right, let's move on to our Tesla news.
Tesla has a new interior color for the Model Y Premium trims.
And it's nice. I like it a lot.
It's called Zen Gray and it's going to replace the black and white interior.
Here's the thing though.
It's only available for cars built at Giga Shanghai.
So if you live in Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Philippines,
pretty much any place, any market where they get their cars from Giga Shanghai,
you can order this color.
I think it looks great.
To me, in the pictures, it looks a little darker than the white,
but really it just looks elegant.
And I'll be honest, I have seen some people with white seats
and they end up turning this color.
The seats end up turning something similar to this color eventually.
It's very hard to keep the Tesla white seats clean.
Based on my daughter's car and some other people that I know are struggling with that.
So Zen Gray, good color.
Tesla has started rolling out FSD in the Netherlands.
FSD supervised in the Netherlands, which we knew this was coming.
We didn't know exactly when for sure, but it is out.
It's rolling out to beta testers.
It's going to go to a wide release soon after that.
You do have to be in the beta testing program in the Netherlands
and you do have to have a vehicle equipped with AI-4 to get access to it,
which would be interesting to see if anybody in Europe
as they roll FSD unsupervised or supervised, excuse me,
out in Europe, it'll be interesting to see when AI-3,
if AI-3 will be included in that rollout.
I would imagine that it might, but I can't imagine charging somebody.
Like if Tesla came to me and said, hey, for $400,
we'll give you what we have for FSD, I'd pay the $400.
But I'm not paying, what is it now, $8,000 for FSD on a hardware 3 vehicle.
I'm just not doing it.
Even if, you know, I mean, maybe if they promised me AI-4,
it might be a little bit more, but yeah.
I'm trying to be positive.
I'll just keep my mouth shut.
Move on.
Back here in the United States,
Tesla did roll out FSD supervised 14.3.
Elon made a lot of outrageous, well, I would say outrageous.
He made a lot of bold claims.
And honestly, you know, the big thing that people are noting
is that reaction times for the vehicle got 20% faster.
And I think that's great, but I don't know that, you know,
it met the whatever Elon said about it.
I can't remember exactly how he put it,
but it brings a lot of pieces of the puzzle together for FSD.
I'm not sure it did that based on people's reviews
and what they've said about it, but, you know, it's here.
There's a few new safety features that I think are interesting
when it comes to bad weather.
So if the system detects what it thinks could be a hydroplaning risk,
so not just rain, but actually slippery roads,
it will actually automatically lock out the more aggressive driving modes.
So instead of getting like hurry and Mad Max and even standard,
you're going to get put into chill or sloth mode
until road conditions improve.
And I think that is a really good way for Tesla to handle this.
It's going to reduce sudden acceleration, lane changes,
and, you know, whatever traction might be compromised.
But early beta testers are still seeing some issues, as you would imagine.
The system can be like overly sensitive
when it comes to triggering the hydro, anti-hydroplane mode.
And it actually will happen on an over a light drizzle
and, you know, there's really no risk of hydroplane
other than that the ground is wet.
That's not a hydroplaning danger.
So this is leading some drivers to disengage FSD
just to be safer and keep up with the flow of traffic and things like that.
But in the end, this is a positive move.
And I commend Tesla for doing it.
They are going to need to fine tune this over time,
and I'm sure that they will do that.
Interesting story.
If you want to know a moment in my career
that I was actually very concerned,
it was, we were going to a fire.
I was driving the ladder truck.
The ladder truck is 48 feet long.
It weighs 78,000 pounds.
It's early in the morning, probably five, maybe 4.30 in the morning,
something like that, just a couple of years ago.
And it's raining super hard.
And I'm not driving overly fast.
And if you don't know what hydroplaning is,
it's basically you start,
you kind of just start floating on the water.
Your tires aren't touching the ground.
It's a very simple explanation,
but your tires aren't really touching the ground.
So when you hydroplane,
you don't necessarily have a lot of control.
There's a lot of things that you can do to make it worse.
The best thing you can do is just kind of relax your hands on the wheel
and let off the accelerator
and just kind of let things correct themselves.
It's not to say you should let go of the wheel entirely
and take your feet off the gas,
but accelerating or hard braking
isn't necessarily going to help you out in those situations
because you're not touching the ground.
Anyway, we're coming up on a turn
and the truck started hydroplaning.
And so I did what I was supposed to do.
And we're just kind of,
we're just kind of floating
and we're not going super fast,
but fast enough in a truck that weighs 78,000 pounds
and is 48 feet long
towards the curb, which is there's this nice neighborhood sign
and we're just kind of heading towards that.
And eventually we were able to stop
what felt like inches before we hit the curb,
but it was probably more like feet before we hit the curb
because I don't remember having to back up
and to go into the neighborhood,
but it felt like we were just,
I had no, there was just nothing,
we were just in it for the ride basically.
The only time that I can think of,
that was probably the worst time I can think of
were the truck that was driving hydroplane.
It happened a few times,
but it's never been anything that made me
so concerned that I was going to wreck
a million dollar plus fire truck.
I mean, it costs a million dollars to buy this truck
12 years ago, 13 years ago, 14 years ago,
whatever we bought it in.
This truck to replace it costs
more than two million dollars now to replace.
So I was not looking forward
to having to have that conversation
with chiefs that I wrecked a million dollar truck.
Anyway, moving on,
continuing about full self-driving.
So we talked a little bit about
Tesla released 14.3,
Elon said that this is going to be
a lot of the pieces to the puzzle
for solving autonomous driving,
and then they released 14.3
and then Elon gets on Twitter
and says that FSD 15,
not a point release, but FSD 15,
will far out exceed human levels of safety.
So why is he saying that?
What's so special about version 15
of full self-driving?
Elon says that it's a much type
10 times parameter model.
And basically this is 10 billion parameter
neural net, which right now
we're looking at a billion parameters
model neural net and version 15,
I was almost at episode 15,
version 15 will have 10 times that
at 10 billion parameters.
You know, it's actually, you know,
they're testing it.
So we'll kind of see where it goes.
I don't know that we'll see it anytime soon.
But if everything goes according to plan,
this larger model would make it
more nuanced, more human-like
when it comes to decision-making
and could make a real shift towards,
you know, true autonomy.
But I feel like I have to say
that Elon says this all the time.
Like with version 12,
which was in November of 2023,
he said supervised, this is a tweet,
supervised full self-driving is,
I think it's a tweet.
This is a quote from him that I got
from the article, which was an electric article.
Supervised full self-driving is
vastly safer than human driving.
That said, version 12,
which has end in neural nets,
will far exceed human safety
even when unsupervised.
That was November of 2023.
I don't think we saw that.
And, you know,
maybe I'm wrong,
but I don't think that was solved
or was vastly safer than human driving
in 2023.
Now in 2025, he said something similar.
Here's what Elon had to say about
version 14 in August of 2025.
Version 14 will be better than human for sure,
meaning a better driver.
But I don't know if it will be 10x.
When he says 10x, he means 10 times better than a human.
He goes on to say maybe 2x to 3x.
So 2 to 3 times better to a human.
He then says version 15 has a shot
of being 10 times better than a human.
So that was an interesting,
you know, little message.
And then two days after that,
he added that version 14,
while capable of being much safer
than a human driver,
will take a few months to debug post-release.
So I'm not sure if somebody got into his ear
and like, hey, this thing is barely fully baked
or isn't even quite fully baked.
Maybe you don't say that it's 2 to 3 times better
or safer than a human driver.
But, you know, we can all agree
that for the most part, you know,
Tesla is improving their software with each version.
There are times when they, you know,
release the version
and it gets a little bit worse.
But eventually they will kind of release updates
and it'll get a little bit better.
So we're not bashing Tesla on
on how they are
iterating their software.
It's more like the messaging I think is hard
because it's hard to quantify
because Tesla doesn't make this data
publicly available, right?
We don't know how Tesla
is determining these data points
and we don't know what they are,
what they're including.
But more importantly, we don't know what they're not including.
So while they can say that, you know,
FSD is safer than,
FSD gets into one accident
every however many million miles, right?
That's great, but what are they calling an accident?
You know, they can say that FSD
only disengages,
he can drive so far without disengaging.
Well, that's great.
What are you calling a disengagement?
Are you saying the software disengaged automatically
because it got into a situation and didn't know?
Or are you saying,
or are you including, I should say,
the fact that somebody who's driving the vehicle,
supervising the vehicle, if you will,
is actually like, sees something that they're like,
I don't like where this is going and then they disengage.
Does that count as a disengagement?
If I had to guess, it probably doesn't, but I don't know.
And nobody but Tesla knows.
So because they don't publish
how they determine their safety claims,
we don't really know, you know,
they do have some information out there to be fair,
but we don't, when they're putting this all together,
we're not seeing a transparent,
like this is how everything went together.
We're not getting a peer review of their data.
We're not getting any third party verification
of their safety claims.
So at this point, we just have their word for it.
And, you know, I think we can probably agree
that their word is optimistic.
Do you see, did you hear how he said optimistic?
I'm actually kind of like sitting up in my chair
and tilting my head when I'm saying this,
if you can just, you know, imagine that in your head.
Optimistic.
I'm also opening my eyes a little bit wider than normal.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Can you picture like an ugly bald guy doing this?
If you can't, watch Lord of the Rings go to the orcs,
picture one of them saying optimistic,
that's what you got.
Picture them sitting in front of a computer
with a big monitor and a little monitor
and a microphone in front of their face.
Them saying optimistic.
All right, with that, let's move on.
I hate having to talk about Tesla's optimistic
of versioning, I don't know, optimistic features.
Because I really want, I think it's amazing the way it is.
You know what I mean?
Like I think if they were just like,
hey, here's what it does right now.
And I know I've said this a ton of times,
but I feel like I just need to say it again.
This is what the car can do right now.
This is great.
Not like, hey, version 15, it's going to do so much better.
You know what's coming out soon,
right around the corner, not too far from now, is AI5.
So when we get to version 15,
is AI4 going to be in the same boat that AI3 is now?
Like this is the problem I'm having.
I don't think it's fair to make these promises
when we're really not in the best place.
To, I don't think it's fair to make these promises
when you're kind of already leaving some folks behind.
Now Tesla still has an opportunity to upgrade,
because Elon said that they would,
so I imagine there's lawsuits if they decide not to,
they can upgrade hardware or AI3 vehicles to AI4,
maybe even AI5, maybe they'll do that, who knows.
But the thing is like,
I think they would have a lot less detractors and haters
if they just promoted what the car can do now.
And that's still pretty amazing.
Let's not worry about what version 15 is when you're on 14.3.
Unless you're planning on just skipping
all the other numbers in between 3 and 10,
then we can maybe, or 3 and whatever.
You know, I guess it could be 14.12 if they really wanted to.
But from now until version 15,
let's be a little bit more realistic with our messaging.
That's all.
Maybe not.
Not to say you can't be optimistic,
but be optimistic with the features that you have today.
And stop promising things
that are just being kicked down the road tomorrow.
Did you know that you can hack your Tesla
to get free full self-driving?
Did you know that sometimes your podcast host
goes off script and rants for 3 minutes?
Because both of those things are true.
So, as far as the hacking your Tesla
to get free full self-driving,
you can do that,
but Tesla recently disabled that hack.
And it affected over 100,000 people
that were just in China.
Not everywhere else.
They disabled 100,000 full self-driving
and equipped vehicles, I should say.
Teslas that were hacked to get free full self-driving.
Over 100,000 of those just in China,
which is nutty.
So, the way that they were able to make this work
is they purchased a device
for anywhere between 700 and $2,000.
That device plugged into the CAN bus,
which is not an easy thing to get to in a Tesla.
Or at least it's not easy for me.
You have to remove some stuff to get to it.
And then this device will unlock the complete FSD suite,
which is cool.
Owners with this device got an in-car notification
and an email warning
that modification violates Tesla's terms of service
and it could compromise vehicle safety
and it could be a cybersecurity risk.
Which I'm gonna be 100% honest.
I agree with Tesla.
I would not hack my Tesla.
I would not hack my car ever.
I know there are people out there who like to mod
and get all sorts of cool tuning stuff out of their cars.
That's just not a thing for me.
I want my car to run as intended
for as long as humanly possible
and I don't want anything that's gonna affect that.
Especially something that I'm buying,
a device that I'm buying from a company
that may or may not be reputable
and then I'm plugging that directly into my car
that's connected to the internet.
That doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
If you've heard that, I do think if you want to do this
if you're a person that likes this kind of thing
go nuts.
You're just accepting all the risk
that could potentially come your way.
Now, there are some people who,
and I can't imagine this isn't very many
but the article didn't mention that there were some people
who purchased their Tesla in, let's say, the United States
and they are cleared for full self-driving in the U.S.
and then they move to a different country
had their vehicle shipped to that country,
registered said vehicle, now they're driving around
but they don't have access to FSD
because they live in a country that doesn't offer FSD
so they buy this device
and then now they have access to FSD again.
Well, it sounds like that Tesla was like,
okay, cool, we're disabling your FSD
with your hacked Tesla
but we're also not going to let you
continue with the FSD that you purchased
because you violated the terms of service.
Now, I don't know if that's true or not
but if it is, I mean, I kind of think
that there might be a better way
of handling that on Tesla's side
but I do understand why they would do it.
So, all right everybody, that is it for me
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it's bodi-b-o-d-i-e at 918digital.com
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on Friday, I'm recording this on Saturday
on Friday I actually recorded two interviews
that I'm going to play at the end of the month
so I can go and visit my mom.
I had these interviews scheduled so tightly
that one of the folks
that was the second interview
they jumped in a little bit early
because they're good podcast guests
and they were like, well I'm going to show up early
and they did, both actually showed up early
except for I was in the middle of the interview
with the other one
and not a big deal, it was actually kind of cool
and I wish they would have stuck around
because it would have been a funny introduction
but anyway
even though I didn't release a podcast yesterday
I did record two
just so you know
yeah I think that's it
I hope everybody
is having a really good weekend
my wife is out of town
so I got to spend some time just me
and my two kids
we got to
we did a school event on Friday
and then we got to
go to a movie today
and we went to dinner after the school event on Friday
so it's kind of been a fun
just hanging out with my children
so yeah
overall it's been a good weekend
the Mario Odyssey movie
I thought was good
but if you are
not a die-hard Mario fan
maybe you just wait till it comes out
on streaming
because that might be a better way to go
I didn't like it as much as the first one
first one I loved
although there was some funny parts in it for sure
alright everybody
I will stop rambling
and I hope you all have a wonderful rest of your weekend
see you soon
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