The Car You Really Want: Balancing Power, Comfort, And Performance on the V8 Radio Podcast

All righty friends it's super exciting we're super excited because you did it

once again you hit the magic play button on yet another Kevin another Gentile

episode of v8 radio Gentile mm-hmm needs polite refined or believe it or not

respectable so why did you choose that word I don't know well this is Gentile

Kevin and Mike you ball Clark here at the helm of the V radio podcast and like

to welcome you to the show we got a lot going on on this episode to cover I have

kind of this is gonna be an important episode this is gonna be like you know

when we were growing up and on Tuesday night the ABC network promos would come

on where you know Al Parker the voiceover guy Saturday on a very special

loveboat that's what this is but before we get into all the super

specialness we'll get into the regular specialness which is the automotive

trivia question right you can't wait so do this everybody who tunes into the

show for this reason knows that we threw out a couple of trivia questions in the

beginning and we let everybody ponder the universe for a while until the end of

the show and reveal the riveting answers and oh my gosh it's it's just a big

festival it is it's the greatest podcast hook of all time wish it was our

idea well it can be as far as we're concerned all right so here's our

question all right what so Kevin and listener what term did Oldsmobile use

to describe their two-door hardtop cars with no B pillar post aha the two-door

hardtop cars no B pillar so in the overall automotive definition a hardtop is

a pillarless car mm-hmm and that's that's a trivia question itself because

there are people who think a hardtop meant to like some type of finish or

treatment to the roof mm-hmm like it either not a convertible or I see people

that call vinyl top cars hardtop cars mm-hmm and that is also incorrect and true

definition is the pillarless so the windows all go down and it's a big open

thing and I by the way I love four-door hardtop cars oh for sure a hundred

percent those are beautiful yeah it's huge that opening it just massive when

all the windows are down yeah when I was a kid my dad used to buy these cast off

you know 10 12 year old used Cadillacs from the local dealer in town and I

remember he came home with a 73 sedan deville it was midnight blue with a

white vinyl that blue paisley interior yes Cadillac head and it was a four-door

hardtop and you put all the windows down and it was like being on a cruise ship

you know just right you had breezes coming by and you know wide open and but

what it holds call theirs well I'm gonna say they call it the holiday the holiday

coop I'm gonna say that term applied holiday coop that sounds delightful

cuz just you know like being on the cruise ship in the Cadillac you know

you're in a two-door holds hardtop no pillars windows all down you're kind of

on holiday you I mean anytime you're in the Cadillac you're on a holiday so final

answer yes holiday duly noted sir I'm gonna pause our trivia question to throw

out a special shout out to our good friend mr. Mike Pastello who was a

recent guest hey and a couple episodes ago Mike shared a lot of stories about

building engines that were built 120 years ago Mike had sent in a letter to

UNI I got in the mail including a couple of matchbox car versions of the the GM

bus that was the basis of the trivia question here from that episode and he

sent a letter that was fantastic it's a paper three fold printed letter that was

typed on a typewriter well and he he he typed this yeah oh yeah exactly and I

gotta see if I have it with me because it was hilarious reading this thing because

you can clearly tell he's kind of struggling with his typing I mean that's

that's how it should be with Mike Pastello he's awesome yeah oh yeah totally

and and I would expect nothing less than analog communication technology from

him but he went on to say how much he enjoyed being a part of the episode

which we appreciate and that he hopes there's a part two someday which I would

also like yes and he said please accept these the the the buses put them on your

shelf so when people come in they can be befuddled by how a bus turned into a

station wagon and if you don't know that story you got to listen to the the

podcast and then he goes on to say I'm typing this on an analog typewriter just

in case the apocalypse occurs and I still need to send letters out but I have no

idea what I'm doing so nice nice so that was very fun so thank you for that

Mike yeah thanks we'll have him back in yeah where's my bus I got it it's the

next time you come to the shop I got all right fair enough fair enough all right

good deal all right here's one for you what this could be two parts it could be

one part or two part how do you want it you want it a one part or two part give

me a two part at least I can maybe can get partial credit all right so what was

the last mass produced vehicle that could be started with a hand crank oh and

when did it cease production so to rephrase that you could buy a certain

vehicle up until a certain year and started with a hand crank what was it

and when did it stop oh my god yeah here we go yep last mass produced vehicle

with a hand crank and when did it cease production I'm gonna say the 1925 Ford

model a can you turn the band down a little bit God take five fellas take five

yeah and a one nanotube all right so 1925 model a for you a model a so yeah

and that that's the last time you could get it was 25 okay what a question I mean

that sounds that sounds pretty good yeah you know when it comes to to what

that could have been we'll find out if that's your final answer final answer

duly note that please all right it is duly noted right on okay well so we'll

find out the answers to these riveting questions at the end of the show and

it's just gonna be so satisfying hmm but let's get on to our very special

episode let's do this might have been a little overselling but we'll find out

but here's here's the topic right so at the v8 speed and rest of shop we're very

fortunate to be able to do a variety of different work on all kinds of different

hot rods classics muscle cars cool trucks and whatnot and the nature of this industry is

that some of the some of the vehicles we are building we're truly building we're doing a full

car from an idea to drive it home or ship it somewhere in which we've touched everything

we made every decision with the customer we planned everything you know like from the

stance and the powertrain and colors and all the stuff custom modifications body

mods all the stuff what kind of interior but there are other projects that come in

that are either not full restorations they might be an upgrade might be some

maintenance and and our philosophy on this is the mission statement of our shop

is to connect people to the best times that are lives through things with wheels

which means there's a lot of room in the car culture to do a lot of different stuff right

for sure and there are some shops out there that only do you know full builds there are also

repair shops that only do repairs and everything between but we're fortunate to have the the talent

and the resources and the capabilities to kind of do all of it which means there are many times

when a car will come in that has been you know modified once before or

you know everything has been worked on because these are in some cases you know 30 40 50 or

100 year old cars so it's very very unusual to get something that's never been touched

but sometimes people come to us they go hey man I I either just bought this car and it's

got a bunch of stuff on it and it's not what I want or it's not doing what I want or in some cases

it's uh this was a project that kind of stalled out and I want to get it going again and I think

you guys can help us with it and whatever so the point being sometimes cars come in that have

parts choices made on them or systems choices that personally I might not agree with right and

it becomes a little bit of a challenge sometimes because especially if somebody's invested time

and money to make those choices and then they're finding out that either they don't work the way

they expected or what I'm finding out even more so is that they don't know what to expect

and they don't know like what the consequences are of the choices they've made right right

so and this sounds kind of vague but a great example would be the automotive aftermarket

does a wonderful job of marketing parts and products boy howdy so yeah and and good I mean

that's what we want for sure but as Billy Joel said you can't get the sound from the story in a

magazine when you see like a company that's advertising a high performance suspension system

for a particular car that's designed to provide you know great handling and modern car performance

and you know maybe some autocross use and it's got all the buzzwords and it's tubular and geometry and

you know specific bushings and camber gain and all the stuff unless you experience that with your

own two butt cheeks behind the wheel you don't really know what that car is going to be like

so we see a lot of people who say yeah well this car is cutting you know carving corners

at an autocross and look at the stance and how it sits I want that so they they buy the system

with the coil overs and the you know multi adjustable shock absorbers and the big sway bars

and all the stuff quick ratio steering box and then it gets put on the car

and then in some cases we've received vehicles that the owner hasn't even driven yet because they

they weren't finished to that point so the owner still has no experience with it or you drive the car

and it will do everything that was promised in the in the ad but at the cost or the expense of

other factors that might still have been important that now no longer are there

so for example if you if you build up I don't care a chivalre or a Mustang or a Camara any

frame or control arm upgrades and you put spherical rod ends and hind joints or solid

bushings in it and body mounts or urethane engine mounts and urethane transmission mounts to make

everything stiff with the goal of I want this stiff I want a rigid platform so I can go beat

this car up and really enjoy it well your drive to that event could be miserable because you've

taken all the compliance out of not the suspension you probably added compliance to the suspension

made the suspension better but the road noise that used to get absorbed through rubber bushings and

rubber body mounts and and soft rubber transmission cross member mounts and engine mounts that have

some you know you know medium durometer rubber instead of high you know urethane all that's gone

and then you add in additional factors like performance camshaft higher compression headers

louder you know more free-flowing exhaust and the one that really gets me is kind of the current

mandate that many people have about putting a nine inch afford nine inch design rear axle in the car

because the design of a nine inch is such that it it naturally makes gear noise

it's the the ratio of where the pinion goes into the ring gear how it meshes in the housing is

different from say a GM 10 or 12 volt or a Dana or whatever so its inherent design makes gear

noise and when you start to couple that with higher gear ratios and and different types of

gear cutting they can scream who and now you've sometimes you've taken the sound deadening out

of the car under the carpet because you want to make it lighter and everything else and pretty

soon you're sitting in a tin can that makes noise every way possible yeah not an enjoyable experience

well and it's counterintuitive because some some people are like oh yeah that's what i want you

know make it light make it handle great and whatever yeah that might be great for a young

person who is into that kind of thing um but i think you'll find as you as you age uh certain

things shift that are important to you with your vehicle then then then they used to be

um yeah and i think i know the car you're talking about when when you're um when you're

mentioning this and yeah you can end up taking you know all the things that made a car comfortable

and throw it out the window and yeah you have a car that can really carve a corner and it's great

on the racetrack but like you said earlier getting to the event might can you know rattle your the

fillings out of your teeth from from all the noise and vibration that are being introduced now

and yeah if if you're into that that's awesome um personally that would make me crazy but um

well and it's not just one car i mean every car has some aspect of this and and i definitely want

to clarify and say that i am not suggesting that if you put a set of tubular control arms with

delrin bushings on your car that it's going to be unbearable and loud but what i am saying is

is if you eliminate some of the other stuff um rubber is a bad word in high performance cars

we've been sold this idea that rubber sway bar bushings uh are too soft and they they don't

allow the sway bar to keep the body roll under control and they're the source of evil and you

know what if you look at if you compare a rubber bushing to a urethane bushing they are different

they're not that much different um and especially when it comes to aluminum body mounts and uh

you know one one car i drove recently had a modern transmission that you'd find in a in a gm truck

right yes and in the car i love the gear split it was an eight speed it was fantastic you know um

it was very cool to to enjoy all the benefits of multiple overdrives and acceleration but in the

truck it's mounted with like these giant energy absorbing sound deadening rubber mounts um some

cars even have hydraulic body uh engine mounts now where they're actually oil dampened inside

there's there's a goo inside them to keep it smooth and so the driving experience from the

modern truck with the eight speed or the ten speed was very different from this car that had a rigid

mounted eight speed because now all of a sudden that transmission felt like it was coming apart

i mean not i'm exaggerating but you could clearly feel like shift to shift and especially because

it had a little bit of a performance tune in it to increase the shift pressure which through those

shifts faster which you know you like generally you want to feel that boom boom boom but on the

downshift uh because those things kind of sequentially downshift too it was like what's

happening here and and not only the transmission so the transmission might have been i don't know

five percent more uh tactile than normal right you could perceive this five percent more but when

you pump that through the cross member and then into the body of the car and then couple that with

how that increased shift pressure preloads and unloads the drive shaft which then preloads

and unloads the rear gear set which is a four nine inch design which has its characteristics

and you've got a cacophony of sounds under the car that are now being amplified and they combine

to make something that like you're saying isn't something that i would want to drive all day

that can be a little annoying um if if that's something that you're not used to especially

like like you said earlier if you bought this car sight unseen and it was you know maybe there

there was pictures in there uh in the ad of the underpinnings or the suspension and all you think

is like holy cow that's cool look at it's got a it's got a cool four link uh rear suspension

it's got tubular control arms it's got you know cool race buckets this is going to be a

a cool car to drive around and you get it and you don't realize all the sacrifices that have

been made in the building of that car and all the things that you know all the sound deadening

that's been removed or you know in effort to lighten the car up or or the subframe connectors if

it's an f-body to stiffen things up and how it's transmitting all that road noise and all that sound

and all that vibration in there and you didn't even think about that before you got that car and

and that can be you know kind of disappointing and really sour that purchase or a buyer yeah and

so so what's the remedy the remedy is that we've built tons of cars that have all the parts that

we just mentioned and they're fantastic sure um you just got to you got to be considered and you

got to do it right and you get you have to really weigh the the benefits of how much does a particular

part gain versus how much does it take away from something else that you might find important

and I say this a lot but our modern cars and especially our modern trucks are so quiet and

they're so smooth and they're so nice to drive yeah that you know say you know in your case

you've got your suburban you drive that to work and back and you come home and then you get behind

the wheel of something that's got you know kind of an overly amped up suspension and you're like

all the in the rear end is howling when you accelerate or decelerate and you step on the

brakes and they howl because you know that's another one is disc brakes can create harmonics

especially rears that echo through that through the whole rear end housing and then through the

four link and you know and all of a sudden you were looking to escape your week and take this

thing on a cruise night with your your wife or your kids and nobody can talk in the car and

everyone's asking questions what was that you know and it's like is this gonna fall apart you know

and it's like well yeah but but hold on i'm gonna go around one high speed corner on this trip and

it's gonna be pretty flat isn't this great yeah that awesome and it's the same thing with people

that are like i want a thousand horsepower you know peak horsepower engine and okay well you're

you're gonna hit that rpm like twice a year for five seconds right but all the rest of the time

you're dealing with a giant camshaft and you know high-speed stall speed torque converter and all

things that go along with it right so i think we have to be honest in our shop and as car builders

we got to be honest with the customer and the customer has to be open to some experience to say

okay let's let's throw the numbers out the window and let's throw the specifications out the window

let's throw the parts out the window and let's talk about your experience driving this car right

let's envision and i say this before but what's the best day right is it cruising down and people

say the same thing oh man cruising down the highway with you know me and my gal and we're listening

to the music and it's great never do they say and the rear end is screaming so loud i can't hear

and the shifting is buck you know knocking the fillings out of my teeth and i hear everything

in the suspension you know they don't ever ask for that yeah it's crazy right yeah but we get

resistance when we say okay let's build in some things so that you know we control that noise

and control well no man when i don't want to add weight to the car and i you know i don't want

rubber stock bushings because look i brought you the car and the bushings are all junk

yeah they're also 50 years old you know

or if you want something a little better let's do a few other things in the car let's add

hush mat sound deadening from top to bottom to make your air conditioning perform better

to to isolate some of that sound you know let's let's make sure that our transmission is mounted

in such a way our engine is mounted in such a way even you know for me it's down to like the

cooling fans you know we've talked about how i like a clutch fan if if if it's going to work

and do everything it needs to do over a lot of electric fans because i don't want to sound like

a helicopter coming in when i pull in somewhere right it's just it's just me and and what you

find is that if you if you can hit those things which none of those are really bad things by

themselves but they add up to a fatiguing experience in the car and what they add up to is

a heightened sense of feeling like you got to pay attention to something so in my recent example

i was driving a particular car and i was making all kinds of noises and i'm like oh my god so i'm

like driving this thing doing little driving tests like i'm moving the wheel back and forth to hear

do i have a loose suspension component in the back is this noise in the front or the back

is a transmission is a rear end is a suspension is an array and i'm doing all these things

instead of enjoying my drive staring at gauges freaking out not freaking out but i you know

and when you couple that with the reality of most of us don't get a chance to drive these cars every

day so when you do drive the car you finally get the time you want to know that that thing is sorted

out you don't have to pay attention all that stuff you just get in and drive it enjoy it right yeah

yeah you want the drive to be a pleasure and it can't be if you're worried about every little

thing about it yeah and and every little thing could be fine you know it could be just the sum

of what these particular parts are going to do but if you're not used to it you're not expecting it

and especially if you have somebody in the car with you who's not used to it or expecting it

the last thing you want to do is have to justify all your decisions you made on your cool car

you know i've seen it where people have picked them up from the shop and whoever's with them

you know it could be a little kid dad why is it rattling you know you're like

or or or you know the significant other is like boy you spent a lot of money on this and it shakes

you know and it's like well see honey it's got a long duration camshaft okay well it's just it's

loud you know whatever right right so i am in no way suggesting that everybody needs to drive around

a 60s Cadillac that you can't feel the road but i think a worthwhile conversation about

that those things really can matter and they just need to be brought to the surface to be discussed

so that what i was saying before of i don't want to let's not talk about the horsepower numbers

let's talk about what experience you want to have when you put your foot to the floor

let's talk about how instead of the materials and the suspension design let's talk about how you

drive you know if you see an s-curve sign coming up are you the kind of guy that floors it or hits

the brakes right and then we'll work together to come up with that list of parts and the design

and the modifications to the car that will allow you to have the experience you're expecting and

that you really dream of without all the negative nonsense that can go with it

for sure i mean people can fall into that trap it's important that you said you have to be honest

with yourself about how you're going to drive this car and what's important to you because

it's easy to fall into that trap where you see a video like like say you're watching a good guys

of autocross and you see a full pro touring 69 Camaro you know rolling through the the autocross

course and it's flat as can be going through these turns and you're like that'd be cool i want that

but you know maybe that's not how you're going to drive the car and well it's attractive to see

that and you think wow that's cool i want that that's probably not maybe not the car for you

that maybe not how you're going to drive it and that's and therefore it's not going to

be an enjoyable car for you maybe the interior with the you know the the racing buckets aren't

aren't going to fit you very well and it's going to be uncomfortable to get in and out

and you're going to save yourself why did i get this car where if you're honest with yourself

it's like yeah i just want to drive this car you know if there's a cool curve in my town

somewhere i can take it at a little bit of speed and it's going to be cool and i'm going to be

comfortable and you know i'm not going to slide all over the place maybe that's what i want

and and that can be taken care of for you um but yeah but being honest with yourself is paramount

to having a car that you're going to truly love and truly enjoy and keep forever yeah yeah and so

there's you you raised some really great points uh kelly pointed out that uh there are there are

many situations where this happens and and so the end result is the owner now has a car

that they spend a lot of money on they spend a lot of mental time dreaming about and planning and

they go through the build process and and then they get what they ordered and if it's maybe not

what they wanted or they find out like yeah boy i really like the look of those seats but they hurt

my back or i went to the local donut cruise and i look like an idiot getting out of it because

it's too low i mean i mean these are things that people don't think about but at the moment

you know maybe they matter and it's like my thing with uh uh you know just just trying to pay attention

to all the little things when i drive a car i mean i want to know like my notes from this

recent drive the way the seat and the console are oriented my right leg it hits a solid bone in my

in my what's the one below your knee what's that your that your tibia your tibia my tibia shin bone

has a knob on the end of it that lands right on this console and it would hurt me after 20 minutes

i would and and so in my mind i'm like this would be a great car drive across country yeah 20 minutes

in i'm fidgeting in the seat and it's because nobody thought about this stuff uh or here's another

gray one and it's an idea that uh you know customers have come to us within the past second gen

firebird camaro bullet side mirrors we love the look of them we put them on first gen cars we

modified them you ever try to see out of one of those things they're horrible they're tiny it's the

the glass you know and and then the the adjusting mechanism flops around and they're not the concave

you know and you know somebody could say well you know sure old man you can't see well no my vision

is perfect for distance and when you you're trying to look basically through a a keyhole at the stuff

behind you and it's only because you're not used to it you're used to a modern car with big mirrors

and yep and maybe screens and all this stuff so pay attention all those things so that when you

finish the car it's nice and and my example of somebody who's got money and time invest in a

car and all of a sudden they don't like it they tend to shy away from it and pretty soon

it's sitting in the garage and they don't take it out and or or only under very certain circumstances

like it's got to be a perfect day outside because they don't like the way the wipers work and they

can't see out the back window and the defroster isn't there or it doesn't have air conditioning

or it it gets hot so it can't be a nice sunny day because it's on the ragged edge of overheating

or it's super loud you know because the exhaust so you can't leave you know at five in the morning

to go to a coffee cruise or come home late at night because you want to piss off the world

and all these excuses pile up and then you get the friction internally of

why'd you put all the money in that car you never use it you know

no i don't want to take that rod let's let's try the family car yeah and they're looking

enviously at their buddy who bought something and just basically threw a tune up on it and

is out having the time in their lives yeah you know yeah so all of this is a hundred percent avoidable

again with parts choices the the ford nine inch and when i say ford all right ford developed and

designed and manufactured that and there are aftermarket versions of the nine inch that are made

by various different companies and the nine inch the attraction for it is the design has a center

section that drops out that you can change gears real easy you know racers love it because they can

have three or four of these centers all set up you go to a track pick what gear set they want

bolted in go race they're like impossible to break very very strong excellent excellent rear end

but it comes with a price and there's been all kinds of strategies to make them

more street friendly and you know so the first point is like well hey i i have a ford van you

know an econoline or whatever from the the 90s with a ford nine inch in it and a 351

or an earlier one with a 460 or something and i drove that for 200 000 miles and never noticed

the rear end at all yeah yeah because it had it was 15 feet behind you and you had all kinds of

stuff in that van yep you had rubber bushings from the factory you had shock absorbers with

rubber bushings on them you you had noise control devices in place that ford did plus ford set the

thing up in in when i say set up they're the ones that installed the gears and they installed a

certain type of gear that was made in detroit and not in a country somewhere else laying far away

well yeah lago in a way the galaxy far far away pretty much and you can call any of the

manufacturers or shops that build and sell gear sets and center sections and they will tell you

that yeah you got to stay away from certain ones because they make a lot of noise just they do

so there are also processes that certain you know companies have come up with there's a rem polish

process which is a micro fine um it's like a tumbler almost they you put the gear set in this

media and it and it micro polishes the finish in the face of the gears and it it takes off any

little tiny edge of the the teeth and that quiets them significantly right sure it also i don't

know quadruples the price of the gear set easily well these things and well but so then this is one

of those things it's like okay well you can have a quiet nine inch we got to mount it properly

the gears have to be of the right brand and construction they have to be treated maybe

cryogenically treated and rem polished you know and then on top of that they have to be set up to

where the pinion depth as it meshes with the ring gear has to be spot on right well and spot on

means different things because they will that design is going to generate some sound and it

becomes a personal preference we like to set them up so that the sound creation occurs under

acceleration load and ideally you know if it's going to make noise it'll be maybe maybe as you

coast and not as you cruise or accelerate i got you and when you go down the road and you've

heard this before you know it's like drive drive drive you reach your cruising speed and then you

start to get off the gas a little bit and also in here and you give it a little more gas and

it comes back you know just as you feather that throttle you know it becomes a game in your head

you're like where where's this where's the ideal speed that this won't howl well it's not a speed

it's a load it's the amount of accelerating you're doing or coasting you're doing right

and if you if i should actually rephrase that i mean most cars are at at cruising or

decel a little bit you know and there's a transition there and you know you want it to

be quiet there when you're accelerating the engine usually covers the sound i don't know sure but

all right so bigger picture why did we have to have the nine inch in the first place

well i saw that they're strong well so can be a 10 bolt so can be an 8.8 so can be a 12 bolt

so can be uh you know even an independent out of a more modern car you know Dana 44 so well

don't do those those break but anyway things that you can put in the car and it's funny like on on

again to use to pick on Camaro firebird f-body cars they were designed to have a particular

10 bolt or 12 bolt from GM and those those are pretty quiet it's a different style

and you can get different gears now you don't have that luxury of being able to unbolt the middle

pull the center out put a different center in right but this also gets back to the honesty

of how many times you really do that mm-hmm yeah i mean for a guy like me i'm going to treat it

like a ronco rotisserie oven i'm going to set it and forget it and that's going to be it

yeah no no doubt i mean so my galaxy had a nine inch from 1962 an original forward one and it was

a 30 gear mm-hmm and i wanted a higher performance gear set so i ended up putting a mojure uh full

12 or full nine inch assembly from one end of the other with a 373 gear and i think it's got an

auburn style limited slip so a cone type limited slip and uh it's great uh i drive it everything's

wonderful you know i'm very happy with it because the top's down all the time mm you hear everything

it took me like the the first time i put the top up in the car and i think i actually had the back

seat out because i was i think i was working on the top pump mechanism so the top's going up and

down and you know i needed that access to get to the pump and i drove it with top up and no back

seat and i'm like oh yeah this thing's making some noise i never knew it i just never knew it and it

wasn't wrong or bad it just there's some noise there and then i added a rear sway bar to the car

which which physically bolts to the rear axle housing and then two links come forward to the

frame and it was like turning up the volume on that rear axle noise and it's like a son of a gun

interesting so yeah so again being honest with yourself if you if you're open to if you have to

have the nine inch and the sound matters there's ways you can get there if it doesn't really matter

you just need the right gear ratio and something that's going to be built strong enough to last

you know most street cars a 10 bolt will live just fine a 12 bolt for sure or other styles are out

there or a 4 8.8 those are really becoming popular and it's funny the 8.8 is almost a carbon copy of

a gm 10 bolt no kidding that's awesome if you look at it it yeah because ford ford knew it they knew

that the design of the nine had its limitation um 8.8s can make noise too i mean i remember

but it takes a long time to wear one out and they get louder as they get older because the

the teeth wear but when i'm talking where i'm out i'm talking like you jump in a cab you know like a

ford crown vic cab that's been around since the early 2000s that rear end is going to make noise

sure oh yeah it just it just is yeah well that's what we're talking about miles on of course it is

yeah and it's still going fine with no maintenance probably so uh but you can get all kinds of

different setups in fact uh gear effects right uh a couple years ago really blended credence to

this concept because they make a nine inch carrier that has 8.8 gears in it really yes

so they solved kind of both problems it's it it it interchanges with the nine but it's an 8.8 setup

and i think it's called the fn8 if i remember oh i you know what i i think you've talked about

this once before maybe not necessary on the show but um just in in casual conversation yeah and i

think i yeah i remember you saying something about that yeah that's a yeah that's a pretty trick setup

so again keeping all the rest of stuff and i remember when we built the reloaded camaro

i mean that's got uh detroit speed front suspension uh with their coilover mounts welded in

but we put rubber subframe bushings in it's got a detroit speed quadrilink four link in the back

on a curry nine inch and curry uh at the time i think they still do uh they have a dyno so they

they dyno run all their gear sets to make sure that they're set up right and the reloaded car has

sound deadening it's got carpet it's got comfortable seats it's got all the rubber that's

supposed to have all the weather stripping you know so that car is wonderful um sound inside

i've had the good pleasure of having a ride in that car before and yes you are right it is

quite a nice car to to ride in and there is yeah there is very little handling compromise

despite the rubber in there and it is if that thing goes man it goes around corner nicely

it accelerates very nicely it is a well well built car well it's a you know it's a full roller

490 inch big block Chevy with fuel injection and ported heads and headers and a street level

compression ratio so it runs on you know runs good on regular gas yeah and it uh it's got

magda flows and you know mandrel bent stainless exhaust and so the sounds you hear are the sounds

you want to hear not the sounds that kind of come along for the ride and like you said it it

it outhandles most of the drivers you know it does not get competitively autocrossed

it it rarely gets driven to its full potential based on the geography of where the guy lives

you know he just can't take it out and thrash on it because he lives in a in a you know a populated

area that doesn't have wide open roads to do it and you got to consider that too so that car has

one sound in it that we've been chasing forever that i can't get rid of right we haven't figured

out yet i think i know what it might be but it's when you are backing up and you turn the steering

wheel slowly there's a little bit of a of a howl in the column somewhere hmm you turn the wheel and

it goes hmm you know it's just this little it is and i i think we probably got to pull the column

apart and lubricate something i don't we've changed the steering gearbox it's a detroit speed box it's

a good box we changed the steering pump on it uh very early on thinking you know that was a quick

way to just get there uh so that car's not without without fault but yeah i haven't driven that thing

yeah i drove that car in november of 24 last okay so over a year ago and i still remember that sound

and that's this is why these things are important you know my apologies to the owner because it

shouldn't have that sound right and he knows and he doesn't you know he's not beating me up over it

but it'd be cool if it went away right so the parts are magnificent i mean even the the delrin

bushing stuff even stuff with heim joints and if you want to go that far the parts will do the

performance of the car will be there but let's not just blow off things that you know i think

the mentality was in the 60s like everybody 60s and 70s and 80s if you found a 70 chival

and an air conditioning what's first thing you do rip the air conditioning out throw it out

because you save yourself a couple hundred pounds yeah which i get back then it's like

it didn't it didn't matter right and then rip the sound in there out and rip the bench out put a

bucket in it and and start building the motor well today we have and the reason why is like power

was hard to come by power is hard to make so save ounces it's free power take weight off the car

it's adding free power and they used to say well is it a hundred a hundred pounds is a

is a couple horsepower or something right or like a 10 in the quarter mile or something if you take

100 yeah yeah and i don't know you know how true that is anymore but today if you i would much

rather build a car that that fits the driver that the steering wheel feels right that the seat

isn't fatiguing that the pedal placement is there that the the sight lines the gauges the mirrors

the audio system the ac the doors close right the rubber it doesn't leak goes around turns

stops and then we just amplify the power to match to cover all that stuff right to right

to take any perceived detriment away because power is a lot easier to make today than it was

with modern engines so true very true i wanted to back up a little bit um you're talking about the

side mirrors i thought what thought that was kind of funny because my gto just has

the stock driver side round mirror and i don't know why the engineers placed it

where they did but by golly that is hard to see out of and there's not even a passenger side

side mirror as it wasn't mandated at the time and i always find myself when i'm driving the car

trying to check my mirror to my right and there's no mirror there i'm like god dang it i gotta

you know crank your head around to see it and that's just one of those huge differences of driving

a classic versus driving like like my suburban which has massive mirrors on the sides and you

can see everything for Pete's sake and in it it's really funny the the how different it feels

when you do get into that older car than it is uh from your modern um i just thought that was kind

of funny when you brought up the side mirrors on there i wanted to touch on that well yeah and

that's totally a thing uh my galaxy in 62 it didn't have to have any side mirrors no kidding so

the cats and when we got the car it had none uh and it just had the dash you know the windshield

mirror right so i put uh an original style driver side mirror on it and it sucks it's a little flat

round thing you know like what you got and you know the galaxy has a vent window so it interferes

with the mirror yes um the placement and again i think we are very used to all the visibility

provided by modern cars and believe me i don't want to see some giant side mirrors sticking

on a classic car either you know and and one of our our great customers a great friend of ours

Joey Scaffidi that we did that 77 Trans Am for yes um he drove the car from our shop in the

Midwest to Maryland to take it home when he picked it up and he's like i love it i hate the mirrors

i can't see you know and that car actually had kind of an interesting story with the side mirrors

because they it was a silver car but the mirrors were black and uh we said well when we repaint the

car we'll we'll color match the mirrors the way they're supposed to be and he's like no no no

my dad painted those mirrors black back in the day so i want that look great he gets home he's like

i hate him so he went down kind of a rabbit hole and he's like hey i found some like

oh six charger mirrors you know can we put those on the car

and he sent us some uh and we we mocked him up and it's like this this looks like

you know dumbo you know we put these giant things on this he just ruined the look of the car and

he's like oh he can't do that either so what's the answer right and um part of it is technology so

uh we have a car that i recently drove in the shop that the rear view in the windshield is also a

camera it's got a display so half of it is a rear rear view camera the other half is actual mirror

reflective glass mm-hmm and in fact i have that in my van as well so you get a nice wide view in the

back yeah you need that in that van well that thing yeah that's like driving a building so

right uh so that that's an option um i often thought

i'll let it up a potential product idea out of the bag here a little bit but uh

but maybe we do maybe we maybe we produce a second gen bullet mirror that's just 15

percent bigger you know the house how does it looks the same it's just 15 percent bigger

and then put a really slight concave on it and now all of a sudden they're a little more useful

right could be cool yeah and and ideally it mounts using the stock bracket you just unscrew

one put this on and done deal uh if you'd buy one of those let me know you know we'll do a

little mark of research here yeah there we go well that's funny because uh speaking of second

gen mirrors you put i i believe was a set of second gen f body mirrors on the blue 67 gto

that the shop built a number of years ago and even though you know one person doesn't like them

i think those were an improvement over the stock mirrors that that car initially had

because they are a little bit wider you can you can get a better a better field of vision

from those and they actually look good on that car too when they're you know painted body color

that that that bullet shaped mirror it actually looked really nice on that car

and i think it did improve side views as well i don't know i always thought that like up until

the mid 70s like the the team that designed the mirrors was like in a different building

it's like they designed the car and it goes through all the stages and it's like oh last stop get the

mirror guys and then just they take a chrome thing and stick it on and send it right they never

you look at first gen camaro mirrors yeah they're rectangular dainty chrome stocked things and it's

like where where does this fit on this car yeah you know and thank god they came up with the sport

mirror the bullet style in the second gen um and of course today if you if you have an original

camaro and you know we're kind of used to seeing those and i don't think people question them but

it makes such a big difference in the way the car looks by doing that for sure that up you know

bullet mirror uh so our friend murray comont actually uh the designer he uh he came up with an

idea for the for my galaxy because i was i want to put a passenger side mirror on this car and i

am not happy with the original you know so all the original forward mirrors that i found have been

pitted and just kind of you know worn out condition and they didn't make a passenger side

so you can get a reproduction chrome dainty stock flat disc mirror that doesn't really enhance the

lines of the car at all but murray sent me a sketch with uh uh shelby gt 500 chrome bullet mirrors

from like a 67 Mustang okay and oh my gosh they are completely at home on this 62 ford is that

right because they've got you wouldn't think it but when you look at it this car has all kinds of

polished stainless and and rocket ship kind of you know styling to it and coming up the side of

the car right you know there's a i'm gonna call it a double wide piece of stainless that next down

to a single wide at the um on the front fender and and when it next down from the double to the

single it bullet points down it doesn't just cut off square and the mirror echoes that little bullet

transition it just like oh man that makes so much sense now nobody's ever done it before

yeah so this is again this is also why you work with people that have a good sense of design

because you know murray's got a great eye and he's like he didn't even tell me about it he's like

how about this i'm like oh man so nice on the list to do and those were also a lot of times

uh uh racing mirrors so they were uh convexed i guess to you know give you a wider feel

and uh you know it's funny you talk about mirrors one of the things that i also think is interesting

is i didn't know how to set mirrors until i read an article on it really yeah really tell me what

you do because i have my own theories on how to set mirrors yeah well if you're looking in your

mirrors and you see or you see any part of your own car in the reflection you did it wrong yes

agreed i set mine i set mine so i you know i have the center view out of my rear view mirror

and the way i set the passenger the driver's side mirror is when i see a car coming up like in

in the in the lane to my left and the car's front corner is just starting to disappear

from the rear view mirror it's just starting to appear in the side view mirror and what that does

is it virtually it all but eliminates any blind spots you have on your side and i do that on the

for the passenger side as well and it all but eliminates any of that blind spots so you don't

have to crane your head around looking to see if there's a car behind you you can see look right

in your mirror and if you see any part of a car that's in your side view mirror but not in your

rear view mirror you know it's it's right on your side and it's behind you but you can still see it

yes yeah and that's based with the philosophy and it was explained to me where your side view

mirrors need to be showing you the area next to your car and a little bit behind your car

so that if you just jerk the wheel and moved over a lane you're clear correct yes you can see

what's in it and i know that every person is a different height and their eyes are in different

places in their head and you know they sit differently and all the rest but i can't tell you

how many times i get into people's cars and you're looking at the quarter panel

yes i'm talking to both of my children right now your mirrors are set incorrectly

yeah and it's that quarter panel isn't going to come get me i'm not worried about that

now i also know that you know if you're gonna parallel park or back into a spot or something

you know you kind of need to know where the back of the car is but that's when you turn your head

or whatnot sure for sure and then to your point also like when you get behind the wheel the gto

and like most of us when we get behind the wheel of our our hot rod or our cool car

it's not instantly familiar where the corners are because we don't drive it all the time right

so that visibility is important and uh you know today's cars with the with the sensors and the

proximity sensors and the cameras and all the rest i mean and a lot of literally do park themselves

yeah you can almost just close your eyes and back it up and you're fine because all the all

the sounds will tell you what's going on yeah yeah and i remember seeing the commercials

and this probably goes back almost 10 years where the you know a guy takes his hand off the wheel

in itself parallel park yeah you know yeah kids today you know they don't know how good they've

got it yeah try the parallel park is 72 bux and cheery then talk to me yeah right exactly

or 79 dodge maxivan right that too so i guess at the end of the day um for getting back to the

very beginning of this story when we get a car that's already been done a certain way sometimes

it becomes a little challenging because the customer is like well i already paid a bunch of

money for this nine inch rear end right uh which is fine they just need to understand that it's

it's gonna make some noise and if that is okay with them then it's not a problem with me i mean

i want what you want and i we want to help you get what you want um but if there's something

that you don't want there's ways that we can probably help make that better and maybe you

know we just change the bushings or change the mount or something or whatever just do something

a little differently to do that or just make a future plan and say okay i can't do it now but

maybe you know next season i'll be ready to do all this rear end stuff and rear suspension upgrades to

to make it a little more of what i want the car to be and not what it is now so all day so that is

that's a great great strategy um i encourage everybody to keep a notepad in the car

and as you're driving it just note those little things that bother you or that need attention

because i'm the guy who as soon as i get behind the wheel of one of my little cars it all comes

back to me i was supposed to change the bulb behind the speedometer i never did then i get

out of the car and it's gone yeah oh i have that wind noise that i forgot about oh yeah that expressway

speeds oh boy when we're like you're so much yeah that is a great one yeah yeah that wind whistle

or when i turn the wheel that'll have to squeaks my van did that for a long time so there are many

times you know we like to say we like to think that you know gonna build the car and the cars

be finished well now there's generally a refinement period after that so yeah maybe it's not on this

round but take it home and for this whole summer drive the wheels well drive it a lot right get

used to it be enjoying acquainted with it to understand all of its quirks and then make a

list of things um if it leaks if it stinks if it makes noise if it's not fast enough if it

anything and then at the end of the season let's talk and say okay these are some things i experienced

and then we go yeah that one's an easy one we fix that or this one might require a little bit more

or if you need power maybe it's a cam swap maybe it's a supercharger whatever and that becomes

you know later projects and then eventually um i would be remiss if i say eventually you'll get

there and it's going to be exactly what you want because what i've learned is that the next round

of refinement they just get smaller and smaller for sure and i think it's important to make your

list of not just things you do like or don't like but things you do like as well because the last

thing you want to do is if you're correcting one of those things that you don't like it also eliminates

the things that you do like and that would be that would be unfortunate that would and here's

another thing if you if you write down boy that's a great idea there mr. kuball hey if you write down

all the things that you like about the car you're going to like that car even more because it's

remember what it was if you're making big changes uh as i look back again on my galaxy and i remember

how this thing used to steer basically how it steers now compared oh my gosh it's a really

time is better yeah yeah right yeah you're driven it so uh it's nice to remind yourself that yeah

we're making a lot of progress on this thing and it's been time it's been money it's been some

frustration but it's it's the results are there you know yeah love it yeah brilliant what i like

you all build cars see this is an important episode it is did i lie no not at all never never ever

and then as just the other thing too is that the the advertising and the promotion is wonderful

we need it we need more of it i i keep you know there are people who tim strange is a great example

a friend of ours who is a magazine guy through and through and it was up to him you know every car

magazine ever would be still on the newsstands and and i came out of magazines i love magazines

and what i miss number one is like buyers guides they used to be like hey you know here's car crafts

roller cam buyers guide i compared all of them that were available now yes oh i remember that

oh yeah or here's a front suspension guide for for mustangs or whatever and and manufacturers

would all send in the the photography and the specs and then they'd grid this stuff out and

and so today nobody does that you know you if you want to know about something it's a one way

source you got to think i want to learn about high performance suspension systems for 68 mustangs

i got to google that and then i just get what i get and chances are it's not a comparison

meaning like and i don't i don't need like oh we installed all these kits and compared them

you know that's great but what i would really like to know is like does this one come with spindles

and does this kid have urethane or rubber you know just a grid of like the differences and you

don't get that in a youtube review or a video that's made by the manufacturer you get the points

there is a loan um so i still rely on ads very much so and and media and and promotional materials

to learn about this stuff but i look at this with the eye of okay my experience is that

this might be a little radical for the street or if we do install this we got to make sure

that these other things like you're saying are are still looked after and accounted for so that

we don't diminish the rest of the experience sure i mean we can get um you can get a good

buyer's guide from like consumer reports but i really don't give a flip what the best dishwasher is

so maybe um right maybe we get a lot of reports for uh for car parts for cool uh aftermarket parts

well and seema does a good job of new product um new product uh releases so like every issue of the

seema magazine has a category that might be four-wheeling off-road new stuff and and that

that's pretty cool because that's a nice benefit for those who have displayed new products at the

show they also go in the magazine and i refer to those all the time um but again it's it's made by

the manufacturer so it's the benefits but it's not necessarily a to b but not necessarily new

products but established products like it'd be cool if you can get a comparison of like uh a

ritech four-link rear suspension versus a detroit speed uh four-link rear suspension for uh for a

first gen camaro and see what the what the ins and outs are for either one of those and what the

compromises are and in how well how well they perform so that would be pretty cool yeah it is

and and the other thing to to recognize is that a lot of manufacturers know that there should be

different levels of intensity on their products so you look at roaster shop they've got different

families of chassis's one is designed to deliver that cross-country comfortable drive quiet experience

where another one is designed to be on the track all the time and you just gotta again be realistic

and honest to say yeah although that the track version is it's pretty cool um maybe i need the uh

i guess the spec chassis is the one that is the um the street version that you can right enjoy enjoy

comfortably uh so you know different companies that make suspension parts sometimes they'll make the

same type of product with a rubber bushing or a delrin or an aluminum or you know a rod end

depending on what your what your goals are right um but here's the other thing uh if you know somebody

who's got a car see if they let you drive it or at least ride in it and experience what we're talking

about experience like oh yeah i drove my buddy's car and he's got brand X front to front the back

and it was perfect i loved it or yeah i remember we couldn't listen to my uh deep purple records

because i couldn't hear the guy over all the noise you know

oh my goodness i couldn't listen to my debbie boom god dang it yeah yeah which

brings me to a quick gear shift and that is uh we had a fun event at the shop the other night

and you participated even though you're an ad home player that's true that's true i wasn't an

ad home player yes and and so we've done this in the past but we just did it again and we call

this the v8 speed and resto playlist challenge in which uh we put it out to everybody on our team

to pick three songs that are significant to them and then we get together after work and buy pizza

and drinks and and i go into game show host mode and uh we bring up uh three or four contestants

at a time that are members of our team and we introduce them and ask them silly questions you

know where you're from and just you know goofy stuff if you were a goldfish what color would you be

and blah blah blah and uh you know just kind of set the mood but then we play three songs and then

the studio audience being the rest of the the crew needs to guess who picked those songs

which member of the team picked those songs and then at the end uh we ask the individuals why

a particular song was significant to them and uh you know because music is very important and we

all have the stuff that we like so it was fun um we had a big turnout uh unfortunately not everybody

could make it including yourself so the people that couldn't make it a lot of them sent in

their songs and we included you in the mix so you were there as as a featured person and people

had to guess your songs in the mix too and uh did anybody guess uh oh yeah a few a couple people

got it and and so the key is like who we put you up against oh okay you know because we would do

like three or four individuals at a time and maybe one was an at-home player and then of these four

people like which person likes this song and then they write them down so i i then took uh at the

request of everybody i took all of the songs and put them in a a giant playlist um so that everybody

could uh could share and listen to them on their own do you have that in shareable form i'd love

to get that um i do actually and so you i shared it on our uh internal facebook group oh you did

oh i missed that all right first i'll go back and yeah so so that's there but uh i think you had a

little uh a little police in your mix and some warren zevon yep yep yep and uh some jane's

addiction that's right that's right just a nice little mix mix a match trying to throw people off

a little bit um so between jane's addiction mountain song yeah lawyers guns and money from

warren zevon and uh every little thing she does is magic by the police of those three uh which one

is the most uh significant and why probably the police um every little thing she does is magic my uh

the first time i i heard that track i was just kind of mesmerized by i remember listening to it in

eighth grade uh mechanical drawing class our teacher had a radio in there and that was when

that song was in you know heavy rotation and it just reminded me of that all the time you know of uh

you know a bygone era i don't even know if they have mechanical drawing class in high school anymore

or junior high or middle school for that matter um but uh when i got in the air force

my uh my roommate my one of my best friends uh i still have today my friend vince had the police

every little thing she does uh the the classics which was a you know greatest hits album for the

police and that song was on there and every time i would go back to our dorm room i would put that

cd in the in the player and play that song it meant that much to me and i loved it that much so

and it still sticks with me today so that's why i love it so much right on um i am going to put a

link to this playlist on our v8 radio facebook page cool so if you want to tune in and hear all the

different tunes um the three that uh that i chose one is a giant john hyatt song called the rest of

the dream that tracks uh it's a great song and not super widely known but uh next was uh steve

winwood with uh why you'll see a chance take it nice and then my third was uh of course freddie

jones band in a daydream which is one of my it's probably my second all-time favorite song it was

a rerun from the first time we did this exercise a couple years ago i mean it's in the chicagoland

bylaws that you have to like that song anyway yeah if you grew up in the chicago area freddie

jones was a band that played huge in chicago they're they play all over the place but uh that song

came out in the 90s and and uh the opening line is tuesday morning never looks so good i'm already

in a daydream and it's uh musically it's great lyrically it's great and i have a ton of great

memories of going out and driving i drove my i bought a 69 riviera in california and was driving

it across an avatad desert in the middle of summer with that tune cranked you know and it was like

perfect and then seen freddie jones and and my cousin knows those guys and nice you know

been in many bars and many fun times it's just a great association of a great time song so i threw

that in there um so then what we did is we everybody who got a correct answer got a point

and then we tallied up the points and uh there was a winner and take a guess who the winner was

meaning if you extrapolate the person that kind of knows the most about the people

it was miss kelly ostie was our big winner it was for the second time the second time holy cats

yeah she won at the first time too she knows us and she knows all of us she does

yeah she she spends time to to know everybody and it was fun because i don't i don't know

what everybody realizes that you know that uh a lot of times you feel detached from a business owner

sure you can't show up at a place and you do your job and the business owner is

in the other room or in their office or wherever and you know you don't know that there's any kind

connection there but kelly has now proved twice over the span of yeah measured over the span of

at least three years and i know for a fact since day one that you know she goes it's a super high

priority to be connected to every person in the business so it was cool she pays attention

that's for sure two two for two mm-hmm right on when you were in game show host mode did you uh

were you wearing your wink martindale-esque cbs sports jacket i i did not have the cbs sport or

the abc sports jacket what i did have yeah yeah the gold jacket uh that i wore at macaquin what i

did have was a primo 1968 vintage polyester shirt that i got from my dad oh the best all right

we need some uh we need some stills from that from that evening uh yeah yeah and and uh so

julie our hr person took some photos and stuff and then she's like i don't know some events need

to be private you know they don't need to be shared with the world right on but well all right so

maybe that'll be the lead image for this episode if you're if you're listening on spotify and you

see the the image of the va radio thing that's the shirt you know right on oh that's great so kind

of yeah it was it was cool good deal so you know what else is cool mm-hmm tell me kevin what else

is cool that would be the answers to our riveting trivia questions oh man i you are so right all

right well let's get into it all right so i asked you what term did olsmobile use to describe their

two-door hardtop cars with no b pull and post and kevin said immediately well that would be the holiday

and uh kevin you are a winner that is truly the holiday i think i just wet myself yeah

congratulations well thank you winner winner chicken dinner yeah recently some of these have

not been like a clear right and wrong answer yeah yeah well it's mostly the ones you ask me are

clearly a wrong answer well speaking of that let's see

the last mass produced vehicle that could be started by a hand crank

and your answer was the 1925 ford model a and uh that's i mean it's a great guess because you

know we we see all the imagery of people out in uh in those old films cranking those cars and

getting started it was just a little bit later than that actually mm-hmm the correct answer

actually belongs to a russian small suv it's the 1998 lada neva dude

that was for that question not for my incorrect answer

oh

i was i was very surprised to learn that little piece of trivia that uh 1998 you could still

hand crank your lada i think the entire world is surprised to learn that answer

yes good heavens 1998 lada neva yeah and it's funny uh uh kelly and i have you to thank for

tipping us off on a television show called the americans mm yes which is a series about a couple

of soviet union era spies in the 1980s that lived in the united states as american citizens yeah

as american citizens and it's a it's a it's a good show it's well done and i was hesitant to

start watching this because i don't like a lot of that stuff right yeah i just don't we grew up

in cold war america man i mean the the the red scare then all the better dead than red sayings and

all that and i think we have forgotten so much about that mm-hmm and about how much that soviet

influence was over the us in the 80s in the early 90s and so kelly uh didn't have the same type of

media exposure that i did growing up she's you know a little younger than me and grew up in

a rural farm area and was too busy working on the farm than watching tv like i was right so uh

well she's like really is that there were spies like spies what are you talking about like spies

and i'm like yeah yeah there were there were spies you know and and i said don't you remember like

everything was russian back in those days and she's like what do you mean i'm like well you know

rocky four you know we fought the russians look at look at the uh the wendy's commercial day

very very nice you know evening there and and and jakov smirnoff you know and in soviet russia

car cranks you you know and all the stuff yes you know the whole imagery of reagan and and

gorbachev you know with rifles pointed at each other you know both with their finger on the button

to mutually assured destruction that's that that was the term remember the red scale like you're

saying i don't know if you got to this part yet and i hate to digress like this but there was a

scene where the female character was um waiting for this person to come out and she had an umbrella

and on the tip of the umbrella there was a poison and she kind of walked next to this guy in fake

trip fake like she tripped and she poked this guy with the umbrella tip in his leg and it injected

a poison in him and that actually happened that that was a real event that actually occurred

that we learned about when i was in the air force when they were talking about the russians

and when i saw that i like i lost my mind i'm like i'm i'm jumping up and down i'm like

that really happened and my wife is looking at me like you are out of your mind man i'll be

this is that was factual that happened and uh it was really neat how they they're very authentic

with that show with some of these things that they're doing it's crazy well it's it's a it's a

look back at a time that thankfully we're not in right now and i i'm certainly not getting political

on this podcast at all but it made me actually look at russian cars uh because the the car culture

is strong in in central europe and in russia and a lot of those countries they love them

but so there's all these interesting cars that we that never got imported to the united states

you know these latas and the simcas and and uh the the chica which was the yeah the gas chica which

was the the presidential limousine equivalent and uh and then there was the the chinese version of

that and there was a great photograph that showed i think it was regans it was newer than that maybe

want to maybe clinton's catalac presidential limousine so that would have been like 92 93

parked next to the russian version of the same year parked next to the chinese version of the

same year really in the chinese car looked like it was built in the 50s oh man and the styling was

like packard stuff and that was you know in the early 90s today of course everything's different

but so you know i'm all about looking at the cool cars and it's like wow these are pretty wild and

the peterson automotive museum has some of those russian limousines and other russian cars and

stuff you just don't see so you know when i saw that little thing in my my little tangent of

russian cars i'm like does that have a hand crank nice nice i have to learn more about this yeah

well and to credit that show the americans they do a phenomenal job of having 80s era cars in the

show yes in the background agreed yeah i'm wondering where they're getting all these

malaise like cars it's crazy someone's got a heck of a collection that whole thing is set in

like 1982 or so yeah i think it starts in 283 something like that and there's like you know

a 77 buick regal four door drives by yeah and then you know like you said malaise cars and cars that

are not you know a lot of times when hollywood does a scene from the past it looks like you went to

a car show there's like a 69 camaro craggers and everything else right and in this episode i only

saw one example of that and it was actually a blue 68 camaro on craggers uh in the background but

dodged darts and k cars yes you know all those forgotten things so it was like wow this is

all very stock looking like zero mods on anything because because that's how it was for you know the

majority of everybody they just drove their factory stock car yeah my neighbor had a 78

Plymouth grand fury salon and there's one of those in that show and i'm like oh my god

so that was the that was the non-police car version of the uh you know rascal p coltrane

duke's a hazard car body style right so anyway thanks for the tip on that show and that's why

we ended up with a russian car and so it's all your fault yeah you did it to yourself pal

i have my only have myself to blame yeah see

for this incorrect answer it's my fault i'll take the hit that's right you didn't recommend that show

i never would have gone down a russian car rabbit hole and ended up with that dig it yeah all right

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this one um anything else to throw in there mr cubo no new word on the gto engine it's everything

is stagnant that's my update we'll tune in next time yeah for another update yeah tune it next

in like uh two batons cue ball over there too awesome awesome yeah all right well again for mr

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