The Great Aston Martin Valhalla Drive

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All right, let's just get right into it today

We are reviewing the Aston Martin Valhalla a little BTS for my review in Spain go check out the video

It's up now talking about that plus old computers and old music and what would I pay for Mike McCready's guitar?

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How's everybody doing? It's Monday, isn't it mmm that means Christian will post a meme of some kind

That's true. He's like clockwork. They're good though. They are pretty good. They're good, and I usually haven't seen them before yeah

I think I was just fed an article

That I literally was like the exact like and I read this article like a year ago

And I it was just like copy paste new title and just like posted to a major news site as a new article

Whoa, but I literally recall reading this exact article like a year ago the word-for-word and and I think the title also

Well, it wasn't even like this arch article originally appeared in the doo-doo-doo edition of the doo-doo-doo

It was just like published March 30th, 2020. Yeah, I was like, oh is like Apple news feeding me like throwback

And I was like no, this is just this was written. No, like I've definitely read this exact classic rock station of

Articles crazy. I don't know. Hi. How's how's everybody?

Zach did a lot of work this weekend making sure the Aston Martin Valhalla video went up. So we appreciate that they

I mean it happens, but they moved the embargo date up by a day

Or they by two days. Yeah, it was and they were like sorry

But then like you know Zach had to edit on a all day on Sunday, which which sucks

Fortunately, we kind of make our own weekends, but like we do but our but neither of our wives do right and so that that

When Hannah wasn't working didn't fucking matter what day we did anything. It's true, you know, yeah now weekends matter

Yeah, it's okay though happens now and then and

It was fun to edit because it's cool car. It is a very cool car a lot of shots

Yeah, you did so many slides

You undersold it when you came back from the trip you were like I slid it around I was like all right

And then I'm watching this video. I'm like, oh, this is all right

That's the this is the drift turn and then like literally eight minutes later. I'm like, all right

They're all drift turns. Do I keep all of them? Yeah, you know, see that's the same brevity. No, like this cars like I

Get it's it's like a million dollars. I you know what I mean

So like I if you listen to this podcast for five minutes, there's like there's up-front eye rolls with like it's a fucking million dollars plus

but

it's

Imagine the guy who developed the seven series McLaren in charge of that program

was given, you know, a

Laurenstrol

Sure and a bigger checkbook and 10 years newer technology to say

Okay, impress people for us now and so that's like kind of what this this car is

It's sort of like if you took the vibe of the seven series McLaren car and went well

Like let's hypercar this thing up with like two motors at the front and an E

You know and a motor generator and like all those things

and

Like let's like flex our carbon fiber muscles like let's because they're they're making that stuff in house now the carbon and like

They're making carbon in a it's fuck. It's been so long since I drove this car

I'm like, holy shit. I have to remember what I what I learned in the video. I should go watch my own video

No, no, no, but um, you know the carbon tub and structure is it was done by the F1 team

It's it's incredibly rigid. It's got this fabulous inboard suspension

And remember when we drove the Mercedes black series the AMG GT black series the orange one

Mm-hmm, and we're driving and we're like this engine feels like it feels like a front engine to McLaren with the flat plane

Crank and all that like it felt like a supercar motor just like in the front

Well now a similar version of that motor is in the back of a carbon tub car. So it's cranked up

to make like a hundred more horsepower bigger turbos and and

Aston really gets to you know, they get a Mercedes

engine to start with but they really have

Contractually earned themselves the right to like hot rod the fuck out of these things. So it's different pistons. It's different turbos

It's different fucking valves. It's like it's pretty it's pretty

Medley rebuilt and then you have the tri-motor, you know hybrid system

Which in this thing is fucking cool because not only is it doing torque vectoring and brake vectoring and torque fill

But also the it does the traction control, which is so awesome because

unlike grabbing

The brakes it has this infinitely variable traction controllability

So it can it doesn't I don't use it in the video because I was having too much fun

I was like and off but like I did run some laps with it on

And it doesn't like almost every traction control system you'll ever use in

Some way inhibits your pace. You know what I mean? Like you can feel it pulling power

Or worse when it's break vectoring you feel it going go go go on the brakes and you're like, oh boy

That is not very much not real right

It's like a tank treks it stops the inside

Yeah, and so you stop and you turn left right stop and you turn right a little bit

So it just does a small version of that so when it can do it at the front

sort of infinitely

And when it can do it at the back using the motor generator

It really feels because it's got so much fucking power. You know if if you're trying to put down

800 or 900 horsepower, but but five would do it. Mm-hmm. It really

Manages to give you the five without feeling like it's slowing you down, you know at all

It's doing some like really good math

And then I don't know how many times I said it in the fucking video

We had you cut it down a couple of times

But the steering ratio like is so bang-on like the amount that you turn the wheel to get through the corner

Is the exact right amount? No matter what corner you're in and like that's fucking

And not too much like Ferrari and not too little like you know older cars basically and then it's got you know

It's a carbon tub and it's got these buckets

But because it has the door cutouts or the roof cutouts, which I sort of complained about in the Maserati video

The carbon tub gets really narrow

And then the seats are like kind of like laid back a little bit like it like

Halfway to an F1 car. Sure. Yeah in the impression of you end up feeling in almost this

Like a zero G kind of seat and like unlike the

MC-20 the lumbar pillow was like sculpted correctly and so it was like it was I was in this car for like

I don't know six seven hours

and

It's very comfortable not no problem and also

Not that well like when you open the door, you know the pedal box it like it's it there's a cut forward

So yeah, legs in that's instead of having to like shove them, you know around this corner, right?

The opening to get your feet to the pedals is deeper

You can sweep in instead of like turn yourself into a baby and then put your feet in that combined with the plop down

Yeah, like real nice

It was it very easy to drive on the road like you and and not only easy to drive in the road like

Pretty fun at five tenths

Like I wouldn't say it's like quote fun at 65 on the highway like but it's it has a really good ride

So you can you could put it in comfort mode and you could do a road trip in it

Except for the fact that it has no trunk. You'd have to figure out one of them John Olson

Racks. Oh, yeah, the cargo box situation tough at the door

I mean a true boss would ship their luggage or something sure or have a have a support

Have a friend drive behind you

But I think I think the five tenths is important because there's some cars where it's either boring at five tenths or

It's such a compromised car that you don't even enjoy it and it's not until you start going fast start getting adrenaline start having fun

Where you you go? Okay, these compromises are worth this price or worth or the price is worth the fun

But if it's still exciting and like fun to steer and feels pretty comfortable and looks cool

But isn't like the Konig remember like it's not like that where you're like this sucks unless I'm going a thousand miles per hour

I forget that it sucks. Yeah, so I think that's the good blend for this for a supercar, right and a lot of you know

It's a lot of the really fast DV's there there when you're like launching and doing whatever

They're super fun, and then they're and then they're whatever and and and with and with a lot of a lot of hypercar type cars

It's like well, this is amazing at at a zillion miles an hour

But you know an 80s Ferrari or night is more fun at slow speeds like for a very very fast car

This is really nice to drive at low speeds, and that's what when you talk about like is the steering

Communication good does the brake pedal feel nice? Does it feel?

Small and agile and like does it take a mid-corner bump?

Well, you know can you see through a tight hairpin?

And is it good through an open sweeper and like is it just?

Generally very nice to drive and and like sporty and fun and like it actually it really is and it if you keep it in

Well sport

Quotes sport is comfort right there's like EV to like putter out of your neighborhood

Which actually you you don't even need to do because it's a it's a pretty quiet engine unless you're like really really on it

Yeah, there's the double exhaust which I mean it was in the the AMG GT also

Yeah, that was one of my complaints about it

It didn't sound cool and tough and like the other cars because it was just a fast flat plane

But yeah, I would say it sounds in this like a and I keep making the comparison

But like like a more refined version of a McLaren sure yeah, you could there will probably be some I mean some crazy person

Will make an aftermarket this already has the the

There believe it or not they sell this with two exhausts

They sell us with two exhausts and two different sets of wheels like you can get regular wheels and magnesium wheels

That makes that you can get a regular exhaust or like the titanium exhaust. I'm like for

Who who isn't just getting that for like a million dollars?

Just fucking make it and what were you able to hear both exhausts all the cars had the titanium? Okay, so they were all

The the loud loud not that loud. Yeah, it's a it's a mid-engine twin. It doesn't even have mufflers

You heard me say in the video, you know between the turbos and the euro particulate filter

It doesn't actually have a muffler at all

Oh

The new 4 GT is that a car? I only drove it on a track that car seemed to me like something that would not be fun or

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But you've driven more so only yeah, I mean I drove it

You know, I drove one around like three or four hundred miles in a day and that was it but

At the time it was very exciting

It was new and very exotic and and it drove nicely on the road

But also because it's like a homologation race car and has like so little

Insulation in it all the gravel and all this like it felt it almost felt like cheap and thin

You know like the Senna

Even though it was the opposite to get it that way it's very expensive and you know and

Intentional to do it, but it's part of the reason I like the older for GT better as a road car

Even though this one when you're going really fast is fucking super impressive

But like I don't ask it is really not fucking around here like the guys name

I wrote it down back then is Andrew K. K. A. Y. He was the chief designer and engineer on the 720s

Who's who's in this in now at Aston in this program?

But I

mean yes, it's it's very very expensive, but like you know the

Assumption wasn't just that Aston didn't want to make a car like this in the past

Like the assumption was kind of that they weren't capable of it. You know like oh, they make a great GT

dot-dot-dot, but

Ferraris in Formula one and Lamborghinis, you know, they're a Lamborghini

Aston's in Formula one although this year. I mean, I mean, I mean

previously but you know like

You know in in the sort of Lawrence stroll era the cars went from you know, these are nice GTs

But there's a few asterisks on there to like wait hang on a second

You know to sure now we're in Formula one and even when they when they first got in Formula one

And it was like remember we got the Vantage F1 edition and it was sort of this like okay

It's the safety car, but like it's a you you put a wing on it

You made the suspension stiff and like all right come on now, you know, that's that's cute

But like sort of nice try, but what was that five years ago? Maybe yeah, yeah

And here we are, you know and the Valkyrie

Was a bold statement, but obviously it was it's it's not a real fucking car

It's like a ludicrous thing. That's you know, yes

I mean, I didn't realize I looked at they were in F1 from 59 to 60 and then not till 2021

Yeah, so that F1 edition car was probably 2021 five years ago. Yeah, and and it was cute

Yeah, but it was like a dressed-up version of the existing car and this isn't car was not great

Yeah, or sit in or whatever which driving the s this week and we'll talk about it next show

But times they have a change with that vehicle. Yeah, but you need to drive it a little more

Yeah, have you driven at all? Did you drive it all yet? No, okay?

You need to take the one I drove was a was just a regular no

No, you need to take this one today. Yeah, you drive this. It's this is are we taking it to track this week. No, okay

No, unfortunately sadly

Aston declined they needed they want to you know like sort of Porsche 2

It's not about the car being on track

It's that they they don't want it to beat to go to a track without like a support person being there

They want to make sure the tire pressures are good

They want to make sure the fucking they check the torque

Yeah, they just they want someone to be there and they didn't have somebody so we couldn't do it this time

But but you should still drive it because fuck anyway

You know to go from that vantage F1 edition five years later. We've got this fucking thing which is

Not just insanely fast and made of so a lot of in-house stuff barring the engine

But also it's so good to drive that's a fucking idiot like me

Can with not a lot of practice

Like drift it comfortably around a circuit that I it's my first day at yeah, you know like with like

Reasonable competency not perfect mind you patrons know what's up. There's a shot. You should promote that a little bit

Yeah, they're like this track seemed like it had wonderful

Corners with such good radius Navarra was alright. There were so many places

I know I watched your video and I watched like some of Jethro's

But there were just lots of corners that were friendly to sliding at not 800 miles per hour. Yeah

Jethro goes through multiple sets of tires. We were there together and he got I don't I didn't request multiple sets of tires

I I if I really wanted to I maybe could have

and in fact I Jethro

Was this was smart is I I forgot to do this and he was when he finished his grip portion of his video and wanted to do skids

He asked for super sports

Which I was yeah, yeah, I did not

Which although, you know, it turned out, okay, I think was ultimately a

Little easier it would have made it a little easier

But but it with a thousand horsepower is it was not difficult

But but what's it goes back to that like perfect steering ratio?

Yeah, because whether you're trying to grip through that corner and the front motors are helping you or whether you're trying to

Slide the corner and the front motors are really not helping you

It has the perfect ratio for doing that kind of stuff

but you also get the dynamics of the McLaren

because

To go back, you know, six whatever six years ago

I did that show with Dio Shahara and he was drifting the 720 s on this track

Yeah, and he and he comes in he goes you should try to slide that thing and I said absolutely not

I've never slid him in an engine car. He goes I'm telling you

This is pretty easy dummy proof. Yeah, it was true

So if you take that with the new technology as you've said and then you also give it kind of the magic traction at the front

Like an NSX has yeah

Well now you've got all these system

You know the front maybe can pull you a little bit if it feels you understeer

But then it helps you wag the back a little bit and I mean, you know

Your skills should also be commended because you were like sending it in there. I was why

Dude was so high pressure. It's me

Yeah, and Jethro did it was Jethro's video for Evo or Top Gear

Whoever whichever it was the other guy who was there his video was for the other one

They were the entire British

English I know you can't just be in a track with me in three English like super pros and

Have me not at least put up a good fucking effort. Yeah, I had to do it. Yeah pressure was extremely high. Yeah

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That was great right up until the end

If you're listening if you're not a patron the BTS video is no good couple angles great your you also

Undersold, you know you came back and you're like I don't want to put you can tell why you don't put a video

But the reason you told me like I didn't say anything cool afterwards

Which you you know you're on the radio talking to safety and stuff like that was smart, but you didn't say the amazing sound you made

And it's definitely worth going to patron

You're punching and I hope you didn't take it. I was just like it was funny. I were doing the same thing

No, it's funny. No, and you can I'm sure

Anybody can relate to the thoughts that happened in my that happened really fast sure did really really fast

I'm sticky tired, but those I don't know

1.5 seconds were

Just about as scared as I've ever been in a car

And it was great that it happened on like a second-gear corner

Because you came to a halt quickly. It was not a second-gear corner. It wasn't top of third-gear corner

Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean it's an eight-speed car, but it was a top of third-gear corner and

Yeah, I I I dumped the million dollar car into a gravel trap. I had to be towed out

But the car the car was okay full pp. Dude ppf is so good ppf is amazing the car was fine and

It was back on track an hour later after they gave it a

They had to take off the under trays to just like get all the grab

I'm sure I'm raising the wheels off to get the gravel out of it. Whatever, but like it was fine

Hannah Elliot drove it on the next wave

Come on people anyone you see

Anyone who drove the white one it might have been a little dusty

certain places

Um

But yes, I'm not afraid to say that I did try to be a hero and it went a little bit wrong at the it

Dude, here's where it really went wrong. I

Forgot I think I think I did say it in the video

It's we we I think I say like this is I think I say one more lap or this is the last lap

I say it out loud. Yeah, you're like I'll do one more. Yeah, that's you never say that you never say that but in your

Not credit, but like look you didn't spin immediately after you said that because that's usually where the kind of karma shows up

It was like five corners later. No, I was the second to last corner

It was two corners before my day was done. I had to to

To try and nail one in a place. I really hadn't nailed one yet and that was that's a bad idea

But but I felt really confident because I was doing a really good job

So, yeah, you can if you're a patron that video is up. I wish we never ever have

BTS like why would we have behind-the-scenes footage like it like first off like I very rarely break stuff or crash stuff

It doesn't it doesn't happen often

And and it's just if we you if you have it usually it's worth putting in the video itself

We don't do like vlog stuff where we're rolling

Between moments, you know that or it worked well cameras get left on but then we're gone

And they're just stuck looking at the sky or I'm looking at the inside of your suitcase, right? Yeah, but

Anyway, I I didn't it wasn't pertinent to the to the review itself

and

and I don't think

I

Don't know how Aston would feel about it being on the public side of it, but either way I was like finally

Something I can give the patrons. That's like a real good

Meaty funny BTS moment. So there it is up on the patreon right now

But is there anything else that I need to cover regarding the car like what else do we are there questions about the car in that in?

Today's show or or there were not yet. Okay. Well, if there are any in the live stream, but did I mean?

Essentially like it it feels there was one question. Sure someone said

Would you take this a conix of any conix egg or any Pagani?

And I will add although it might be more expensive t33

I

I would have a t33 over all of it if that were a possibility

I'll tell you what as a as a how many times have I said that I'm like an Aston Martin fan despite their like flaws and shit

You know got an old one and we drive all of them and they're imperfect and you want to love them anyway

And so like I you know you you can be

You know an Aston Martin fan despite like despite Aston Martin sometimes, but in this case

I think it's it's such a car that I'm like I'm just such a fan of like whoever's badge was on this

Like if this was the new McLaren, you know, if this was the replacement for the seven series, I'd be like, oh

Okay, you know now we're fucking humming, you know what I mean?

So like that's the get that's the realm that we're playing at now is that like elevation of that

So I haven't driven a new Koenigsegg in 10 years. So Christian get at me. Yeah, let's see. Let's see what that's about

But you know, but I I think I could get one of these serviced in Los Angeles. I'm not really sure

how to Koenigsegg

Pagani's are beautiful, but they don't the the the utopia didn't didn't

Blow me away to drive. Although it's fucking steampunk as hell fucking nasty looking thing really cool

This is a this is a real treat. I really enjoyed my time driving this like it wasn't just that it was fast

It was like

Remarkably pleasant all the time

Getting in and out of it to make the video was zillion times like wasn't annoying other than that. I had to like

Throw all the camera gear because I couldn't put my case the case anywhere

So I had to like it would be and you need a separate camera car or you have to throw

Soft back passenger seat to fill this is a bit like kind of the GT3 RS of super-ish hypercars

Just because it's comfortable usable ingress egress is easy. Yeah, you know those things are usually like when you get into supercar realm

Porsche has always excelled at that because they're normal car. Yeah, it's base is also easy it it

It's a good use of space but it has no storage

But and if you leave it in sport plus which is the set which is everyone else's sport and the engine stays like it's

Sucks when the engine's going on and off like in your basic hybrid modes like nobody's but you got to do it

So I get it flick it to sport plus or individual mode and now the engine stays on and the fact that it's a hybrid is

pretty

Invisible to its operation. It just is a car with great steering and a cool engine and a bunch of fucking power

The brakes don't feel weird the blend, you know, the blend is very nice

You wouldn't know on the street. You're using regen like 95% of the time braking. You'd never know

and

It's just a it's just a

For something that goes so fast and can do so much

It's remarkably approachable and easy and pleasant to drive like all the time

It's really good to look I think it looks good

The one we just the one we the photo that we just put some thumbnail was great that the green whatever victory green

But the other one I drove which is the pearlescent white was fabulous, but you know paint them

I gotta say the way I ever call you white looked good in all the shots

So like the white they use plus the shape of the car

There's so many round shapes that bends light which you know for people like if you look at a white car

That has flat sides or tops in the daytime like it just disappears

Yeah, like crap especially in thumbnails, but this it looked really good still. Yeah

Someone else asked

What did Aston say to you after you spun? Oh?

They just first thought they they asked if I was all right sure as they do and and they said is the car in the wall

I said no, it's not and

And then they said all right, you know, we'll be out and and then they came out

with a tow strap and

and some shovels and we had to dig dig a little bit and

And they'd they drag they towed it out. They didn't have to like crane it

You know crane it out or anything like that and

And we laughed about it. I mean I was obviously very apologetic

I mean I you know I I was

Extremely I was vomiting and apologizing. No, I mean I mean look they they're so cool

Like you knew you went on the launch for the vantage like they're really cool about stuff like this the car wasn't damaged

It was just dusty. Yeah

They they knew I had to do to make it look good in the video and I and I it happened on a track

It didn't happen on the road

you know and and

So they it was good fun

I mean it was nothing, you know nothing was fucked

So it was it was okay, and it was good fun and now they get to make fun of me

Yeah, you know at the vantage launch a driver a youtuber that we both know who is a good driver

Spun on the final like third fourth gear turn on to the front onto the straight

Yeah, didn't hit anything

Yeah, but spun it then pulled into the pits and was like

Whoops and went and ate lunch and then went back out for another session

Yeah, so I'm saying to Aston like they're cool

They were cool if they trust you and you don't hit anything

Yeah, and then they were like and then they were like, you know, are you done?

Did you get all the footage you need to get you know like I think if I needed more footage?

I probably could have waited for them to clean up the car and gone back out again. I mean

They were very cool about it. I heard

Not to start to start rumors, but I heard someone did crash one on a later wave

Not like not somebody we know who I don't know where they were from

Like it's a lot of car

Turn one. I mean that straightaway is big turn one

You were like I could take this flat which blew my mind because I think you're going about a hundred fifty sixty miles per

Hour at that point and then it comes into like a 25 mile per hour

It's like the corner. We talked about it brainered. It's like that where you take this kink at an enormous speed

But the next corner

So it's it's a great corner to slide because your weight is loaded so much on the nose that you just all you have to

Do same reason the McLaren is so good at it when you can initiate a slide

Underbreaking with the weight on the nose it just makes your life so much easier like it just that's like just the right way

Pendulum yeah, because if you try to make it on power, you're trying to recover control versus under breaking you're much more under control

But yeah that corners. I Jethro. I think did take it take that corner flat at one point

I didn't have the balls to do it. Yeah, he's very nervous. Oh, no, that's not right

Jethro said he was at this track and took it flat in the Valkyrie. Oh

Which is sticking your vest a little bit more. Yeah

Yeah, it's it's that first first kink there on the bottom left of the screen

It's like I don't know what would you call that a hundred and fifty degree bend here. Yeah

150

It's like a 30 degree bend. Oh, I guess if I was talking about like triangles. Yeah, yeah, 30. Yeah, I

Mean, it's like a 30 and then it's into a oh, I see what you're doing. Yeah, that's hard

No, there's like a 45 and then it's like a 170 right. Yeah, but this first thing is

3045 and then yeah one yeah, right and look at the length of a straight. I don't know was it half mile? Maybe not

But you you definitely

Are hitting the brakes that

What did I see to did I see 270 kph? Yeah, I think I think so because when I zoomed in on the speedo

Yeah, I was shocked. It was like 220 230 and you had so much straight away left. It was well before the finish line

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, probably it was I think

It's it was so weird if you mean it's so it is so fast obviously it feels

It stops feeling fast probably because of like the downforce and the aero stability

above like a

120 130 miles an hour it stops feeling fast

But then the numbers just you just look at the numbers and they're going up

I said in the video like for like, you know, the the front e-motors never disconnect

They're they're making power to top speed Wow some other cars above a certain speed the front e-motor doesn't do shit

So including I think the zr1x I think but um

But this they keep going but it's for some reason it I mean, you know, we're talking about over a hundred and fifty

It just sort of feels the same but the numbers are like will probably settle down down for us and then just

You know, your brain kind of gets used to that stuff. It's awesome. Yeah, it's crazy sweet car

I mean

For back of that much money it better be sweet, but yeah, I've driven cars that cost more and aren't as good. Yes

That thing is really something

Sold the scooter on

Yeah, two day one that I post that three days sold it yesterday. So two days on

Instagram shout out to

TST fan Brian

from Los Angeles

came down with that cash nice and

Motorcycle movers sending it out to his house in East LA

Tomorrow, so it's a fabulous motorcycle. I will miss it

But I think we're gonna go with the the blue on the new one

The matte blue. It's the it's the mind that I'm selling is a super and the one I'm getting is a super sport

GTS 300 super sport 310. Excuse me super sport

Thought about this this lime green, but we're not gonna do that one

Instead see the blue on the right top on the colors there. Oh, whoops. I know not that one. I mean, that's a dark blue

That's a super tech which I can't buy on name alone. It's super sport and then the

Nice French a little lighter than like a Riviera ish blue

Looks like the water we were just vacationing in Caribbean sea blue. Yeah, that's a good blue pretty cool

Right, it's got black trim instead of the chrome trim. I don't hate it. No, I think well, I think it works

It's a little lighter than a grabber blue for people. Yeah

Yeah, but that'll be that'll be the new the new scoot. Yeah, not sure what it's coming in

But dude cool the shit very cool. I elected not to do the pts

Well, yeah, I don't know they had it you explained to me

Yeah, which is it a couple G's it's a couple G's and they will they will pts your scooter

Yeah, it's a good blue. I know it's a I think I think going with one of the one of the better colors that they that they have

Oh, no, right

Grigio the blue is interesting because there are other colors and I'll put up for people watching people listening. It's like

You can have olive drab green. Yeah, Ray black and then white

So it's pretty like Swedish. Yeah, it's like Swedish Volvo colors with a dash of tactical, but then you have this amazing

Blue, you know, yeah, beautiful electric rain. Oh electric blue. That's just the outlier. It's there in general

I don't love their color lineup right now

Like even the the super tech which is like look the super is only available in red white black. Yeah, no, thank you

The super tech what's what the super tech is only available in blue white

Like navy blue navy blue which this is navy blue white and and this is the in gray. Oh gray. I

Mean, I don't hate those colors, but I need some I need bright and then the yeah the regular GTS is available in the beige

Which I don't hate, but I also don't want I mean here looks more gray

Maybe it looks better in person and then black and and this mint greens kind of night

I mean, this is the color I kind of expect to see that isn't they don't have an orange

There's no yellow, but I guess that's what pts is for oh them that mint green is is not not terrible

Yeah, I'll go like mint green

No, the more I look at this blue. I like better. Yes, I do too because this is also the color of a lot of 1950s

kitchen tile and

Appliances match my my mid mod kitchen is you know what much the color of really would

My grandma's bathroom tile. Yeah

It's it you got to be the right kind of stylish to rock this all the time Verde Annabelle

Yeah, and with the chrome all I'm thinking how is refrigerator, you know, it's like what's the crook?

What's the smeg it's like a smeg what is I think smeg is a turn

It's a terribly named

Refrigerator brand look it up, but it's like new old-looking

It's like new appliances that look like exactly that yeah, it's Vespa X smeg

No, it's a very unfortunate name. Well, who named what first? I think it was smeg an 80 year old company all of a sudden all right

All right, then that's

Yeah

Did you what did we learn about?

Is our is our podcast going to be available on video through Apple?

Podcasts I have not done the research yet, but I think the answer is yes. Okay, so some we just saw that it's possible to get video

the video version of the show of shows in general on

Apple podcast. Yeah, so why not ours? Yeah, and we'll in that's nice

Basically our our host company does have that function, which is great because if we had to move companies

I'd be so sad yeah myself, but it looks like simple cast can handle it

So I'll figure it out this week sweet. Yeah, that's gonna be and it should become available on

Spotify also

Yeah

Were we not on spot? Not for video. Oh for V. Oh video on Spotify. Oh

I was gonna say that that's could be problematic. No video on Spotify. Yeah. Oh, I didn't really know video

I didn't know spot if I was doing video now. They do I don't know people if you listen and use it

Let let us know in the comments because I'm always curious

Like I don't use it on Spotify because of the data

Usage and also like I'm just gonna listen to whatever it is. I don't need to watch people talk most of the time

Yeah

Depends on the show, of course some pull up a lot of visual assets, but I don't know YouTube

I just do more familiar with yeah, if you use Spotify video list now

Okay, we can go to the people in

But yes help to our friends. Yes

Are very good friends former bosses in many regards Sam Smith and Travis Akulski

Both of them worked at Road and Track for a long time than motor one

Some of the best riders and drivers in this game are I've created an event for Goodwood revival called a damn fine way

To 2026 Goodwood revival, so it is

Sort of a curated event you pay a price you stay at an estate with them

You have meals with with the whole group and then they take you to good

You're forced to have meals with them

You know they're available, but I will say these are some of the most entertaining people

I have ever met and they also are super knowledgeable about the like old race cars, so they'll probably be great docents

Yeah, so if you like me otters be like me otters

But I mean Sam's also owned like you know formula fords and raced all this old shitty qualified

Second place in a mini race in Goodwood revival like long ago next to one Chris Harris

So if you're interested in this kind of thing

Go to revival spark.com and there's information about it

And then you can reach out to them for more info on like price and schedule and stuff

It's not the cheapest thing in the world

But it's a pretty rad thing and I think this is one of the greatest motor sports events on earth

Yeah, so shout out to those guys. Oh, right revival spark.com nice

And then yeah, I mean I guess if we're gonna talk about one car trip their entries are open for our rodentrack Pacific Northwest shift

It comes with two

Motorsport days

PIR track day Portland International Raceway also a day at dirtfish rally school. We're driving the Cascades

It's gonna be absolutely

spectacularly gorgeous go to experiences dot rodentrack.com if you would like to come drive with me

You can bring any pretty much any car. It's gotta be it's gotta be a sporty car

But but people ask, you know, can I bring my GTI? Can I bring my Miata? Of course, can I bring my classic car?

Yes, you can someone always does a couple people usually do

but yeah, everything is included and

Two motorsport experiences at this one. That's good. Yeah, PI rally is the greatest thing ever dirtfish is the shit

Which one are they doing first, you know?

The track is first that's good and then dirtfish because you know, there's so much sliding happening at dirtfish

Oh, you wouldn't worry, you know, people get excited. It's in the track. Yes, very hot. Yeah

For sure

But it's gonna be super fun because I love the Pacific Northwest and it's gonna be a great place to fucking drive sports cars

It's gonna be super fun. So come drive with me if you want this summer in in a couple weeks. I'm going out to the desert one

It's gonna be great diet. We are driving the Dodge charger six pack on that one. Hell. Yeah, should be interesting

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Last week I posted up

Or a couple days ago that that we had seven

Extra notice canyons that we were available able to build from the remaining stock of parts

So they were sort of a continuation series happy to report

They were gone in about an hour after posting it

So shout out to the seven patrons that got their hands on a continuation series notice canyons and we will have

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Excuse me

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Notice canyons with the all-new deployant class. I'm not wearing it today, but available

for purchase in December

Exclusively to the patreon first

If there are any left they can go to the public. I somehow doubt there will be but but um, I

Wanted to the reason we haven't announced it yet is because unlike last time. I really want to reduce the amount of time

As much as possible in between when you order and when you receive your watch

These are impulse buys for for many folks and so I

We will in order to reduce that time between purchase and delivery. We're not gonna

Make them for sale until they are like literally ready to ship like like that. So

But they're coming soon within within a month and you'll have your watch in time for summer

It's we I just took it sailing trust me. I tested. Is it good for summer and yes, it motherfucking is

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Uh

Sterling says

Thanks for getting me hooked on are you garbage? Segura was just on are you garbage again? It's very fun. Oh, cool

I've got a garbage question for you. Are you garbage questions are welcome on this show

Is it garbage to get something delivered same day on Amazon to the bar?

You know, you're gonna be at all day. I did this last weekend

Loving my new pair of air pods and deodorant. I it's smart, but it

It's I think it's kind of garbage to be at a bar all day

You know that first off there's there's segments of this story that are garb

You're right being in a bar all day is one, but it could be a sporting event

True, you're there to first a five six hour event. It's like like March Madness. I think people were at the bar all day

So, okay, but yes, that's garbage

Amazon same day if it's not really urgent is pretty garbage

You yeah, there's a lot of we need more clue like clues like if you're at the bar and you go

I have a flight after this. I need my air pods, right?

Okay, but if it's like you're you're impulse shopping because you've had a few and you're like, you know, I do need air pods now

Look new air pods and deodorant. Now that but that I actually think goes back to class that is urgent

And I actually say it's classy because you know you have a problem and you need it solved now

And you went I can fix this but it's very funny that while you're in there for deodorant. Let's be honest

Yeah, that was the more pressing issue. You were like, let's add some air pods. Here's real class

Knowing you have a problem and next time you're drinking at the bar

You

Pre-order pre-order deodorant to be delivered that day, but days ahead of time

I knew where you were headed. You want like your own private bottle of deodorant at the bar that

is gross

That is something they should not keep for you behind the bar

I got halfway through the thought and was like it is not a good idea, but I'm committing that's a team garbage event

That means you and the bartender are both trash

I I was thinking of the deodorant sort of like it was the fresco that I used to bring to the bar except

I realized that they have opposite implications and effects

Yeah, you wanted a beverage at the bar. They didn't offer but they're willing to kind of bend this thing

This is like hey, I smell every time I get here, but I'm not showering or deodorant in at home

Problem needs to be solved elsewhere. Yeah, besides the bar. That's a good point. Yeah garbage fully fucking fucking garbage

Giggity Airlines says nobody talks about dub magazine anymore

I think they had a big impact on car culture like Super Street magazine did thoughts. Did they I?

I mean they certainly had a cultural impact I think for the segment of people that

But read dub magazine a lot. I wasn't really into that magazine because it was more like

Show cars and stereo wheels and stereos and stuff like that and I was more into sports cars

But like respect we wouldn't have donks without dub magazine. Yeah, we wouldn't have had the iconic donk box and bubble magazine

Very true. I think you know it any magazine that

Was pointed at any part of car culture is a good idea

Yeah, and this brought that part of car car culture to more eyeballs and probably I think there's probably more subtle crossover people realize like a

Magazine basically focused on customizing and rims. Well now everyone who gets a sports car is like how should I pts?

My interior should I get custom inters? Which wheels am I getting?

I think those those things have helped each other and also I'm looking at dub now and there's Charon reviews and you know

I'm Cadillac v-series review like the so it's guys. They still exist cars are over there, too. Yeah

Accidental reverse entry says one question for each

Zack you've gone through many iterations with your m3 at one point

At what point do you think you'll be ready to go in the same type of journey with a different platform?

I think like a year, but I

Think I have to decide if I want to go

You know four-door e90. I talked about a lot. Do I just want a fast sedan and is that the best one for the money?

I don't know off to start. It's one of that looking around. It's one of them. You know, yeah

Everyone in my neighborhood right now, you know

My neighborhood is like full of two kinds of people like old retired people and then like people kind of like me and Hannah and

Everyone that's like about the same age or whatever as me and Hannah is kind of like on my first Porsche right now

And so my neighborhood in the last two years is like so full of

997 s's and 996 c4 s's and

Literally like my whole block is filled up with these exact like two cars. I could I could see you going down that train

I could see you in a 997 s

Within 18 months. I think I've talked about it like Cayman s is more attractive to me or

Gts I think it's more expensive though than I'd want to spend sure so but that is it an attractive idea

Yeah, you know Zach's first Porsche. Yeah

And Matt you've expressed interest in having another air-cooled Porsche in the future. What direction would you take it? I?

Would

Do

What direction would I take it? I mean I'd really like to have just like

The this the Safari car was so cool

But the problem is I didn't like really do much with it like I didn't it was a car for a thing

I didn't really do right which that's fine, but like let's not do that again. So it would it would be

the just it would be a nice I

Mean I've I honestly like I've driven some stock ones where I'm like, yeah, this is good

It does not need to be like a build

I would want it to be something that was like very easy to drive with light controls and and that kind of stuff

I haven't oh, I it could also just be the kind of thing you see and fall in love with but like I don't I don't want to get into a into a

$100,000 Porsche build again like anytime soon because like I just I think I

Think a lot of what's really nice about those air-cooled cars is their usability

So I what I would I think really like to have is like maybe just another five speed

G50, you know Carrera sort of like the car I started with

but with like

some more miles

Low hundreds it's had the major service done the hundred K major service, you know, and then

Just drive that a lot, you know take it take it on vintage events

And just drive that a lot and be like ah the miles are fucking whatever the

And just sort of like leave it and drive it instead of like making it a big project. I think that would be fun

Mm-hmm

Not like there's no such thing as a like just something like that you didn't that I didn't have to like think about all that

OEM plus but well used so you don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, not not collector grade

You know, maybe somebody else did a did a 3.4 kit or something in it

You know, maybe like one of Marcos clients wants out of a good car that Marcos looked after for 20 years

I mean that that kind of thing like it would be like

You know fad going hey like nudge nudge this this thing is the shit and it's been like

You know the guy died or whatever, you know, whatever it is like something like like kind of like that

We're like hey, there's great value and fucking. Please. Don't start sending me cars

I'm talking about this is from like two people that I know, you know

We're like there's this is this this is the specific thing and there's a ton of value in this and you know

You could you know not have to do much with it for a couple years of the drive that sort of thing

Harlequin e63 AMG, how do you mitigate mitigate mitigate Jesus?

How do you mitigate gas fumes smells for the older cars at WCCS?

Does that present a problem for some of the cars in storage outside of running an exhaust fan in my garage?

My old Mini Cooper just kind of smells from the carbs and fuel tank

There's not a fancy way to do this you run fans

Are at WCCS? We have an exhaust fan that runs at a very low speed all the time

And then filtered air comes in from the outside and it goes out so at WCCS. It's not a problem

The fan is never off. It's only on very low or like, you know

There's three or four different speeds based on how many cars were running at once at home. I

Feel you when my Ferrari was there. It smelled a little fume

the Manx

Although it's a brand new car the the actual like

Seal on the fuel tank, you know, which is up front is like not that good of a seal

So it's not like fuel comes out but like, you know over a couple days if it's hot, you know

It does smell it'll smell a little fume, but at my garage. I have a automatic exhaust fan, too

Yeah, so I think it's just you need ventilation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean if you can get an exhaust fan

That's like small ours is like super small solar powered and activated by like temperature

So when it's warm it turns on and and like once a year

I have to get up on a ladder and like vacuum the dust out of it and that's that's pretty much it

But it's it's a very basic ass solution. So that's kind of what I recommend

You know or just like walk in there with a lit candle once in a while, you know, see what happens

We'd city night court. It's been 16 years since the Clarkson era of top gear came to an end fucking. Where does it go?

Obviously, it was hugely influential influential on Gen X and Millennials. What is the equivalent touchstone for younger generations?

And how do you think those new heroes perceptions of automobiles will drive Gen Z's enjoyment of cars?

I mean, there's fucking youtubers

Yeah, and like they kept doing the grand tour for like 12 more years after this

So it's not like those guys went away. No, I think I think youtubers the

important point is I think

There are more heroes now. It's just everything's fragmented and

There's people that are big fans of car youtubers that you and I have never heard of because they're 20 years younger than us

Or they're just not in that the hour or whatever like and they do this thing like mighty car mods

There are people that probably don't watch

You know driving videos, but love mighty car mods those guys have been at that game very successfully for like 15 years

Right, like there used to be this one show that did news that did car reviews that did, you know

Stunts and they did like road trips right and now there's like four different channels each of which says that does the segment

Exactly and so like they're watching like whistlin diesel for stunts and they're watching

You know Harry Metcalf for road trips and they're watching

This show for news and they're watching, you know, what a Chris Harris for drifting drifting it

Yeah, Harris does the Clarkson track driving sure. Yeah, and so that that collectively is how people get to to a top gear

You know, that's how fucking good top gear was is they did all of those things in one

Yeah, but like it's also a testament to like like almost all of those other things

I just mentioned like did pretty decent

top gear inspired

Films for like fucking no money

I mean, you know

Like they're they're all very like very low budget and basic and often just one or two very talented people

You know applying their craft and an approximating

Sort of what top gear had to spend an awful lot of money to do

I just saw a random reel popped up on my wife's phone and this the short version this guy

Walks around the neighborhood and goes hey, can I paint your car for free and everyone says no and it's like New Tesla says no

Just I mean he has like six people and some guy who as soon as he starts talking he goes oh

That would be awesome. He's like seven. Oh, and this guy is down

Of course, he's got like a sixty-two Ford pickup that looks like shit

And it's rusted to fuck and this guy who is clearly he's like a 28 year old

Amazing painter pinstripe skills painting skills, but he has to have a body shop weld panels on and you know

You get the glow-up he repaints this guy's truck and basically restores the thing and he just does it for free

And he's doing what overhauling did with yeah a production crew of ten or a

Working crew of ten plus production plus half million dollar budgets

And it's just wild that shows like overhauling and the show with Mike Brewer and aunt like those are now independent YouTube channels

Does this make money? I have no idea. I didn't look into that part. I mean either he has sponsors or he just

You know rev-share is big enough probably a little bit of both

Well like there's this guy and how do you gonna make money a rev-share to do body work?

There's a guy named uncle John who is like a construction

Influencer and he just goes around love. I love it. You just said construction

That's a crazy world repair, but he's a world that we love all these videos are like I made a fence for my neighbor for free

She's older, you know

And he used to be a contractor and now he does this and he'll have a sponsored post by whatever sure and that pays for the fence

But it's like yeah, you're going to help people and you know look I people I'm not and I'm not so cynical to think that people

Won't just do something to be nice that the mowing guy whoever the mowing. You know I'm talking about mm-hmm

I want to say it's like SB mowing. Okay, I think is the dude. Oh he goes to people's

Citizens yeah, and he says can I like it's a wonderful thing and like it it looks like it takes him a day to a couple of days

To do like and like respect dude respect

but his

And I'm not trying to be cynical, but like I could see the rev-share

You know paying off of that sure because your overhead is very low

But if you're like

Using a paint a paint booth and like doing body work and stuff like that

It just costs more to do time more money more people more help more fucking whatever like so I just I'm interested in the math of that

No, as was I I watched it was there and I thought now maybe this project got away from him and was larger than expected

Normally he just sprays cars Tesla, but he's like oh god. I'm well

He'd like he had to hire people to cut metal

That's so he might have been a loss on that one

But you're like this dude does the job that overhauling did belong YouTube. I'm like well

It was expensive. Yeah overhauling and not just because of the camera

No, that's right. Yeah, they got all these people so I think to go back. There's just there's content for any kind of interest in cars

Yeah

Prayer of the refugee wagon on Montana tags says

Recently purchased the 2026 Bronco Badlands and people have been stopping me in my tracks to talk about it

It's a nice car and all but it seems to have gained a fair bit of attention from people

In my small and sometimes sheltered little town

Have you ever gotten a lot of attention while driving what you'd consider to be a fairly normal car?

Dude when the Bronco came out

Everybody want to talk about the farm Bronco?

Everybody one of the I'm surprised it's still going on. I mean like

Now like there's Broncos like everywhere

But man people love those things and I get it you you Broncos like a Wrangler

You have to you have to be an enthusiast to have one, you know, it's it's a little compromised as a road car

So like it's enthusiasm. You're saying something about yourself by driving one

I don't know if it's a normal car. Yeah, it's such a like you said it's got it's got the off-road audience is into it

Yeah, that's a pretty large pot

Have I ever we ever gotten a lot of attention driving what you would consider to be a fairly normal car?

That's an interesting question

And I'm sure we have because we've driven cars either right when they first come out or or ahead of when they come out

I've been very surprised every time I drive an Audi RS 3 then the new Audi RS 3 people know

And it's always like it's like a facelift or whatever like people notice that shit right away, which I'm very surprised by

They're really into a new RS 3

It's tough because we don't test a lot of normal cars

Yeah, but like even back in the day like we did like

Think of all the cars we've owned that

You know got attention it I got to go back a long way in the database here

But and it turned out to be a fairly normal car

But when we had when we had the first Raptor. Oh, yeah, people were really very really into that

When I had the Shelby GT 350 are I

Mean I don't you that's not normal, but like, you know, it's a Mustang

People knew what that shit was right away. Yeah

Hmm

I feel like I mean if you drove a Tesla early on people like oh

Yeah, the thing

I reviewed a Tesla Roadster when it was new and people didn't really give much of a shit

No, I think like the S was probably probably when you're the very early one

But that's that's man loose it. No one really cared about no, it's just like I think most people go, huh?

And that's it, you know, like nobody asked us it were anything. Yeah about the sapphire

Huh, oh, well, I mean

Again, it turned out to be a normal car, but I got pulled over

in a in a Dodge Challenger SRT prototype in

2009 doing 90 in a 30 and I got out of it because it was the new

Challenger like and the cop was so so into it that I I could have done anything south of killing somebody and

All this fucking guy wanted to do was check out the car. I mean imagine

This is oh nine imagine you have never seen a Dodge Challenger right now and now you're a cop

Yeah, and this fucking asshole with sideburns

90 and a 30 in the first one you've ever seen so well he took his chance. So that's the wrong kind of attention

When Nissan R32's first became legal you could drive a great, you know a gray R32 around and people would like to lose their mind

Don't be alarmed where Nino's sound drops

I'm in Utah and I want an all-wheel drive

Overlanding van for around 15k. I need the ability to do over 80 miles an hour which rules out VW Synchros and Delica

L300s my heart says Delica L 400 my head says Chevy Express all-wheel drive in the wallet says Sienna

Do you have a recommendation?

So correct if I'm wrong

but I believe that a Delica L 400 is a

True four-wheel drive vehicle like a four by four with a transfer case. I drove and that's the newer Delica

Than mine the rounded one. Yeah, I think that's like an actual off-road vehicle

Whereas a Sienna isn't yeah Sienna is like is got like Camry all-wheel drive like Haldex like that's not

For overlanding. It's for like a snowy day. Yeah, I agree and but they

The Delica if you want a real overlanding van

I think you have to this person has to be really honest about the terrain they're on like you can make a Sienna work

Yeah, well with thoughtful driving

But if you're going up steep stuff and you know the van's gonna be loaded a lot

You're putting a lot of stress on the half shafts and yeah system then yeah

Maybe something a little bit stouter would be smart if you have someone who can work on an L 400

They are dope

They're fucking off when I I tried to convince Hannah to get one of these because it was so much more powerful and drove

So much nicer than ours, but she likes the look of ours

That's the whole thing is the shape so she didn't really care for it

But I think this is a true yeah four by four vehicle whereas the Sienna is not a

Chevy Express fans a real piece of shit. I mean, I'm sorry to say it like yeah

It's based on a truck frame, but like that's a piece of shit. It's like they're

E 350

Right, it's like a 35 year old product. They're still making I mean the I think the pro of that is it's not as much a cab

Over right as the L 400 so it might be slightly more comfortable and also you get parts anywhere

That's the other thing. It's a Chevrolet right so that is a benefit. Yeah, but it's very uninteresting

I don't know. I'm terrible. You're a drive one. Yes. Oh misery. I can hear it though. Yeah

Yeah

She only wants me for my turn in oh

Last week I asked about hobby cat. Oh, that's all right. I don't I don't know about the adventure sailing kayak

I didn't I have not seen that before so I don't have it looks it sounds interesting, but I don't have an opinion. I'm sorry

Listen and sometimes watch

manual AMG

Swaps seem to be getting more popular. Is there a driving experience value in swapping a C 63?

Consider a decent example to be about 25k in the swap to be about 10

I'd like to try one

Every manual swap Mercedes AMG I've ever driven has gotten notably better

Right, I mean that has that SL was lovely dude a manual C 63 would be sick

I drove one. I mean the engine's amazing. They look good

They're still comfortable and then it shifts and you go yeah and putting a normal

Just it would just bring it up to like an eight-tenths car. It's not even a ten-tenths car, but that needs one

That's a great car. We have a clk black series at our South Bay store that is a manual swap

And it is a fucking nice very hot

so

There's more value in manual swapping a better car

Because if you're if it's 10k to manual swap a cheap car and 10k to manual swap an expensive one

Like it's less of a percentage increase in your expensive one

So like you know if it's 25k for a car and 10k that's like it's like 45 whatever 40 45 percent of

The car to swap it versus if you got one that was twice that it would be you know 20 percent of the car

so

It is a math problem

But every manual swap Mercedes I've ever driven was better than stock by like a pretty solid margin

So take that the ghost of Woolworth's

The good both the brand and the and FW Woolworth

Pre-owned lucid airs are available from the mid 30s directly from lucid is now a good time to buy and enjoy until the warranty is up

Maybe maybe I think are for $30,000 isn't it fence. He bought one and he has a video. He's got a video that

Explained some of the issues he's had with it, right? So he bought one new I think right

Didn't he lease it and that's why he hasn't gotten rid of it yet

I think he leased it new for a couple years, and it was a very cheap lease

See well there's an article from January that says lucid responds to scathing air criticism. Well, yeah

That Jason yeah, so he has here the 2025 lucid air touring so I mean look

There's a price at which the headaches are worth it sure

I think the question with that like because the cars are amazing handle great

I think they look great very comfortable when the tech works inside

The only thing I'd worry about is it how many problems is it going to have are they covered and do they have loners to give you?

And how how close is the service center like true?

You know, I mean if Jason's have a lot of issues with a new one or the older ones better

Probably not I don't think so. I mean speculation don't sue me lucid but probably not so you need to just be ready for having issues

It's like owning an alpha, you know you want to be near a service center

Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel says I'm turning 30 this year, but I don't feel like it

But the other weekend I found myself going full uncle mode and sitting in the garage the door open in a lawn chair with my dog

And a beer just looking at my car in the driveway

What's something you've done that makes you realize you're as old as your age?

I mean a lot of things. Yeah naps most things I do now are like 10 to 15 years older than my actual age

Like most things I've like all I've had back surgery in my 20s

Had old shit dude, yeah, I had a guy to see five Corvette

18 like fine. That's some old

Old man shit. You just love reading the news and getting cranky in the morning balances the whole time

Yeah, you've been a comfy shoe man. Yeah beginning

Shit, what is what are some things I mean?

Napping for me napping is when I can squeeze it in and at 2 p.m. I'm just like oh

I'm just asleep and then awake and then productive. Yeah enjoying a nap

Real realizing like how hungover I get when I drink I get crazy hungover now

Whereas I pretty much did not get hungover when I was younger

I think out getting rid of alcohol for the most part has been very helpful and and I think the funniest one is

Realizing that New Year's Eve is just an evening of expensive disappointments and you just stop caring

Yeah, it is it is a night the marketing for New Year's Eve has been fantastic

They're like this is gonna be the best shit ever. You know how much sex you're gonna have you know where everyone's gonna be out

Yes, everyone's gonna be out everyone's gonna be where you're not very few things happen

Yeah, some of my least memorable nights are spending lots of money getting very drunk on New Year's Eve

For sure Halloween wins all the time. New Year's Eve is a bad night. Yeah for going out. Yeah, I'm with you on that

Uh

What else that's a good question. I'm sure there's like I mean the list of physical things could be endless

The fill the list of physical things are certainly endless, but also like buying

like I

Used to always by as a policy by the biggest engine of any car that I was gonna buy

Like just because I knew I would be like upset sure if there was if I saw

The bigger engine out there the AMG business plan down their own, you know, and now I

Do not think like that anymore

I kind of buy the end like with the tycon like we didn't write the I got the slowest one

Yeah, like that EVs. I think I've really shifted that but also

With maturity like making decisions about what I really need out of stuff

And I'd say having a having a daily that is just a whatever car and

Being like I don't need to advertise my

Aggressive car personality seven days a week like when you're younger like I'm gonna drive the fast loud thing every day

So everyone knows who the fuck I am right and what I'm about and now you're like I do that in the weekend

Sure comfort getting comfort seats. I mean imagine telling 25 year old me that I was gonna get a Porsche spider with comfort seats

But the fuck is wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah that that for sure

BM trouble you

What is something you were able to do early on in your video career that you couldn't do now either doing to ever changing

Skill sets or circumstances something you can look back on and say I wish we could still do this

Besides using copyrighted music

Earn money making videos

When CPMs were amazing and the views were like 500,000 views. Yeah. Wow. Yeah again

There was a time that I could that we could support, you know a small a small crew of people to make these videos

That's that's the main one can't do that now

How I here's something we're able to do have someone to subscribe to our videos and then have the videos go to them

Yeah, I mean

That's not the question you're asking but like those are the those are the actual answers to those questions

I really liked driving fan cars

I did it less than you but it also connects to the previous question because after a certain amount of time

I went this is kind of risky for a lot of reasons

I mean that I matured out of that but that was fun

I look back on those times for like very fondly for the most part actually

But at a certain point I like ran out of both things to say and cars

And it was risky

But things I used to do

Yeah, I mean

You see a lot of burnouts don't do so many burnouts anymore used to speed

Used to do a lot of you do a lot of

Rap you know rapid transit back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot more highway speeding honestly

Yeah, that one is like when you if once you do a couple of like real races

I mean amateur shit, but like races where you're in a caged car

Racing other people that know they're racing you the idea of speeding on the highway becomes like almost instantly

Very very dumb. Yep. Yeah

I by the way, I talked to Tato because you went over and use the the sim couple of couple hours of sim training. Yeah, and

Good bad I was better in the beginning and I think I ran out at glucose and forgot about that

I was there for like three and a half. Yeah. Yeah, the screen for three and a half hours sucks

Tato was a great instructor and

There were so many funny moments where he's like

Okay, use all of that concrete on that turn and then he would go now in the real world

There's a concrete block there and if you hit it you could probably break a wheel and it's gonna be really bad

So don't do it nice and I say all right, so should I probably practice within the bounds then of reality and he goes

No, no here use it

We're trying to get down to 232. I'm like, but if we're in the but if we're there, I can't do it. Yeah

but I mean that's just I'm he's great instructor he's super fast and

I

Did not get where I want to be faster here. You can go faster here in this right? Yeah

And then you remember for something real doesn't matter here. Yeah, you get a lower number on the screen

I mean dude his knowledge though of that track like and in the virtual world

He's like, okay

There's a bump here and that's your turn in and I watch and he had to do like one frame at a time moving it forward

He goes you see that dip. I've played a lot of video games. I can spot bad guys really far away

This was two pixels of movement of a dashboard Matt fairy was like that that and he goes see that bump like I barely see that

Bump, you know, you like that's your turn in work

So that's and it speaks though

There's no feel in Sims because in the car you're gonna feel the bump sure and then you're turning

with the sim like I

Like I respect that he by the way

I saw him later because I went to their formula one party for a minute and he I was like how did Zach do it?

He was like great. He's gonna be awesome. Okay complimentary. He is but like okay fine

But he didn't say like I'm concerned

That's good. I mean it's funny his dad, you know walks in

Surgeon he's like how's it going and I could tell his eyes are like we put in this guy in a car

Yeah, and Tata was like nice his brake trace is right like we're just working on the turning points

Like I'm not doing anything that makes him go. You do not know how to control a car

What are these terrible ideas you have? It's just remembering all of the brake markers for every turn some turns you turn in early

Some you turn it late. I'm just I need to memorize those things for Road America because I sure have never raced there before

Yeah, but also like so many of those also are like become a parent once you do it

Once you do it the right way in once in the car

Then you go. Okay. Yeah, and then you don't have to you know, I mean it's so much harder to learn

That kind of stuff in a when you can't feel yeah, you know

That's true

Like you want to the point of the sim is like get past right left right left and then after that

You kind of just like get the subtleties of it, but you kind of wait here in the real car

It's like yeah, and that is fun though. It is fun. It's helpful. Very helpful

So I'm gonna do some some time here and go back up there when he's back in town

But and then we watched a video of him racing

Super Trafeo and passing like 18 cars and seven laps or some crazy number like he started from 39th and

finished

Fourth in class and like 16th overall. Yeah

Just bananas to why and there's a lot more contact in that series in Super Trafeo

Yeah, there's some rubbing racing happening little nudges that people are doing to him as he powers through but man that dude's impressive

Yeah, he's very very fast

Let's see

Find me the squiggles said

I've read before that for the majority of people your favorite era of music is from late middle school early high school years

Mine would be 84 85 86 which tracks. What is yours?

And does that translate to other things like movies and cars all of the above dude?

All the above and for me late middle school would be into high school is

1994 through

2000 so like yep, that's pretty much in line. I think my music

magnet was

Like age 12 to 22 and like I just listen to that shit all the time like it bled into college

I was no lot of college music music you know why cuz you and I

We got downloadable music. So the so I would say that that for music specifically

We were we went from CDs to Napster to Limewire to iTunes all during college

Yeah, and like the year after college

So like because of that because like it became so easy to share music for us

During college and never before I did learn a lot new music. Yeah, it's a good call

Oh, you'd like this radio or you'd buy the album right money. It was finite, right? We were like it was crazy like I I

My first like school computer class was on like an Apple 2

And it was like cock-a-cock-a-clock soft floppies. Yeah, and then I I got to the my first Wi-Fi

Was and my frat house sophomore year of college. Oh

We we had a land at our house

And then I think when they moved to a bigger house, I didn't move in there. We had Wi-Fi was my apartment

Senior no that how we ran that apartment because it specifically was like a new building that had cat 5 cables

Yeah, like in each in each room. Oh, no

Not have had Wi-Fi was not for a few years. No, I did not have Wi-Fi

No, I had but I had like I had fast my college internet was like fast, but I think it was plug-in. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah, anyway

But that that does but I also tracks with movies and cars for me. Yeah, you saw this I

My taste is a lot of things in that era. Yeah

Run GMC. What was the last notable concept car revealed at a car show?

well, I think was it last year the toyota is

The toyota GT the new GT thing. Yeah, I think that's pretty notable

That got a lot of press and was a pretty rad important thing. Yeah

I

Don't vision the BMW

No, yeah class concept from last year, which is now the I3 dude

I'm not gonna get invited to a BMW launch, but I haven't been in a really long time anyway

So whatever like there is an MK a Lincoln MKZ parked on my block right now, and I drove past it

And I was like I'm not wrong the headlights on the new new class. It looks like the MK. It looks so much like

It is it's a choice

Jim Kana is

Safariing dead or will lifted long travel sports cars be remanded as a moment in time or a

Stallwart niche market with brands producing updated Storato's Dakar's etc. I

Mean dude, I think people now that people do understand that a lifted that a rally car is a cool thing

And that there's a market for

Rally type cars for people. I think it will

Remain an option and he both the aftermarket in from some manufacturers

That both the Storato and the Dakar were enormous successes. Thank you

The Raptor brand is an enormous success and there's rumors of possibly a Raptor Mustang. Yeah of some kind

I'm you know, I'm very surprised the Maki rally wasn't called Raptor even if it did something different

I think that would have been a good extension of that brand. Honestly, I think their base would have hated that

Yeah, maybe that they would have been real upset

But I mean, I don't I don't have any indicating an indicator that it's dead as a as a trend. I mean ice race

You know a lot of a lot of Dakars and safari type cars

Granny shifting not double clutching like you should

What are your thoughts on car clubs that don't charge memberships versus those that charge huge amounts for example, oh

I don't know. Well, okay, I don't want to for example car club a versus

Well, I don't know what these two car clubs are I know one is Porsche Club of America, but I don't know what the other one is

but

Would you ever pay $5,000 to be a member of a car club if you weren't automotive journalists?

I mean, here's the thing like what are you getting out of this club?

Are do you are you getting something for your $5,000 like if you're paying $5,000 presumably for a year or something?

Like I would hope you're getting at least like monthly events with like maybe catering or an entertainment

Special access to stuff like if you're getting that like okay

And if you're if you're join a club that is supported by a manufacturer now

I don't I don't know how much PCA is supported directly by a manufacturer

Then like maybe they don't need to charge because they get funding from the manufacturer and they get to do shit

And you don't have to pay and it drives business and cycle cycle, right?

So like I don't know

Or maybe there's a club that just like has a newsletter and nothing else and it costs $2 a month or whatever so

It's I think there's a club for every budget probably. Yeah, and it depends on your budget

So you like do you want to stretch to join this club?

Because it's cool, or does it give you all these things you said?

I remember a few a year or two ago

There was like a car show around the corner and they wanted to charge 50 bucks a ticket

And the to enter your car was also like more expensive

And it was like and we kind of laughed at it because there's so many free car events in LA

It was kind of a bold thing. Yeah, did that provide something special to its members or you know participants?

I don't know but that's what you have to think about

I mean look I can tell you the demand is there for clubs when people email us asking about storage

They do frequently ask with what is the social element? Are you doing events of this?

So the people do want to make real-life connections based on car culture

Because I have this other job and I'm running we don't really do it so much at WCCS

But other people do and and if I wasn't an automotive journalist

I'd probably be you know a member of like

Excuse me like the motoring club for instance, which is you know something like a hundred bucks a month

And they do some events and they have a cool space and like yeah

Like that's a kind of thing where I would go to be a social member of a club if I wasn't doing this but

I think because Zach and I

Because of what we do just so much car culture just lands at our feet like why would we

Yeah, I would just say that like it if I don't know what the clubs are the what they offer the ones you mentioned

But five G's a year for a quote for a car club is like that's a lot. It's a lot of money

I mean that's like dipping into the country club model. I think yeah, that's a country club in the Midwest like that

That might be kind of like we talked about with 1199 foundation when you get to the top of it

It means you get access to like

The meetings with the CHP heads so that you can really rub shoulders and probably like if you're running for office

Like so five grand is it getting you in the room with people that you want to be in the room with and right? Yeah

netwiki

guitars and bids

Suppose Mike McCready feels weighed down by his material possessions and puts everything up for sale for charity before

Retiring on an ashram great. What's my cap on bidding for his actual strat dude?

I cannot afford it. I was gonna say yeah can't afford it

Don't want it if I don't want it if I could I mean that band is one of the most famous bands in the world

Yeah, and there are a lot of extremely wealthy people that would be bidding on it would be it would be deep six figures

If not seven probably seven. I think there's enough rich Pearl Jam

I mean it would it would go to like one of those like that Jim Ursay collection or Hendricks guitar

Or something like that. Well, the Jim Ursay was through the Colts owner

Oh, okay

He died and they've just auctioned off like all they just had the auction so the he had dealt David Gilmour's black strat

That's the that's now the most expensive guitar ever sold at auction. He also had Jerry Garcia's wolf

So that's now the second most and then I believe the third most is the Kurt Cobain

Unplugged guitar how much did the Jerry Garcia guitar 12 million?

Yeah, so well do you think about no, I know rich dead heads and sure and and and the guy who bought it

That particular happened to read an article about it the guy who bought that guitar

runs a

Effectively guitar museum and it's going to display it so it can be I think I think Mike's would go for at least four million then

I think it would be it would be millions for sure

Yeah

That's not to say like I wouldn't love a piece of of McCready or you know Pearl Jam memorabilia I would

something about like

Mentally there's something different for me about a movie prop a

Prop it's like it's a thing to be filmed and then it's just this thing that's like it's almost junk

But it's immortalized on film whereas if you have a musician's actual instrument

Without the musician sure to play it sure

You know I I can't pick up McCready strat and make it sound like McCready

It's got they might have the right tone but like I can't do it and it wouldn't make me feel good to try

You know I like having my my replica

Which I didn't mention when we talked about it, you know, it's it is a replica of his guitar

It's signed by him on the back like it is actually like it's he it's his you know addition

So it is proper signed by him on the back on the headstock with a paint marker, which is pretty cool

but like

Replicating the tone

On I feel like I deserve a replica. I don't even if I had the money. I don't deserve the real thing

I get why a collector would want to collect

The Kurt Cobain unplugged guitar or McCready strat or any any iconic the same way

You'd want to own

He also owned in the ursae collection

Hunter s. Thompson's red shark the the car the red car from fear and loathing

He owned that and that that I think sold as well

But um, so like he had a bunch of crazy shit. I mean really had some

For a billionaire this dude was doing it. Like he was he was buying some good stuff. Yeah, so I get it, but

I don't think I deserve

a musicians guitar

I'd rather have like if it's like a professionals thing, right?

I'd rather have like what could I do?

Like a little bit of justice too is like, I don't know somebody's

Somebody's rally car at least I could slide it around or do something. You know what I mean? Because the other thing

is on you know movie prop

Ingesting the content is watching it, right? It's visual, but with music it's

It's hearing that musician play it when you go to the you go to the shows or to think is

A great thing to do is a fan versus buying some stuff like it's a swag

But you go there and you you could close your eyes and like listen and that's most of it

That's like for me like 90 percent of watching them perform

Um, and so you can't do that when you put it on the wall. Yeah

It's almost sad that it won't be played anymore, right?

Um, yeah, you gotta it's that's the thing is you gotta with a movie prop

It's uh, it's it doesn't need to like to to live in a way, you know

I will say the guy who bought garcia's guitar

The reason I read the story is because the very next day

He took it to a chris, uh, I think it was chris stapleton

And let and let chris stapleton play it for a set sure and he was like well

What else would you do with it other than like let people play it that are worthy of worthy of playing it

Which was pretty cool. That's why I read the story about it in the first place

Yeah, pretty rad

The money or the hammer you can't have both

Allegedly Porsche wants to go higher end than the 9 11. What does that look like to you?

The 9 18 replacement it looks like a carbon tub

hypercar that's

You know someone somewhere between one and three million dollars and and takes the

9 18 technology

Uh to the next level

In my opinion

I mean that's

That's the only one of those cars from that era that doesn't have a successor and like why is that that makes no sense

True, but if Porsche is wanting to go higher end

Uh, and and also simultaneously

Pivoting from evs back to hybrids. Well a hybrid

You know hypercar might might reduce those waters. Yeah

Um and also if they're having trouble

In losing money, uh, we've just discussed this a great way to get a bunch of money

Is to build a low volume car for all the billionaires that will trip over themselves to make it

And you can make like 500 cars instead of 50 000 cars and like print a couple hundred million bucks

It's surprising because the business case is clearly there. Yeah, like all their competitors are doing it every week

And they haven't

Yeah, uh

Kellogg's rice crispy toon

Uh, one uh, one or two more and uh, then we'll uh, then we'll save the rest for next time

Uh, Kellogg's rice crispy toon says when you have a car that you're researching or thinking about buying and all of a sudden

You start seeing it everywhere

I'm currently experiencing this i'm shopping or looking for a cross trek and all of a sudden i'm seeing them everywhere

Uh, what would you call that?

I mean, um recency bias. Yes. I think it's probably the most accurate term. I don't know all of my biases

There's like so many biases and I don't always get the terms right for them. I try but there's a lot and i'm stupid

Uh, but i'm pretty sure recency bias. It's right. It's top of mind because you're researching it and people over emphasize recent events data or experiences

So you're going oh man. These are everywhere now. It's like no not now. They've been there

But you've been researching you've been looking at the shape on the screen

You've been looking at wheel designs. You've been looking at colors. You've been looking at blah blah blah

And now you're just noticing the more in public. It's probably the same amount as we're there last week. Yeah. Yeah

Last one donnie's bikini bot

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You have to follow to comment if it looks come back if they're gone forever. Hmm. We'll see you another month

Uh, with n shitification constantly being present with any new technology being introduced

What cars have truly gotten better in the sense of driving enthusiasm rather than increasing

Figures in the past five years

Cars that have truly gotten better

Uh in the last five years, okay

I mean the last five years isn't a very long period of time sometimes not long enough for an entire life cycle

Let's just stretch that to 10

Stretchers to 10

I mean models or or here's an easy one. Miata the nc versus the d which came out 10 years ago the nd

Uh, and then subsequent nd variants and what are we three now? We're at three now

Those are all better. Yep

The miata does not seem to get worse or at least hasn't in a very long time and the nd2 is better because the engine got bigger

Uh, amira really good. Amira. Yeah, how about this one?

Not for the people, but the bentley gt last generation to this generation is better dynamically more

enthusiastic

And more a more focused driver's car

Uh brz and all those the filling the torque hole was very helpful. Sure

Mm

Let's see enthusiasm, uh

I mean look I it's

It's not a great seller, but the but I think I think the nismo z has really good inputs

I'm driving the first week in may. I'm driving the the new manual transmission nismo z

I mean better late than never, but I'm actually

I I think the the the last nismo z. I thought was a great improvement off the regular z

And had a really good inputs and was really nicely focused

I oh, um, because I drove all the g.r. Corolla's back to back to back at sonoma

They each year was progressively better the way they just they changed little bushings little mounts little hardware here and there

There was absolutely a noticeable difference, especially from the 24 to the 25 like wow way better

Cool, uh, yeah, that'll do

Oh here wait last one zen's and because it's an easy answer and then we'll and then we'll wrap it up zen says

How much do light difference excuse me? How much difference will lighter wheels make on a daily car?

I understand on sprung weight

But I don't know if that matters on a daily used for spirited drives

I'm getting ready to swap my 21 pound oems for a set of 15 pound

JDM yo memes are those real is that a real name? Is that a goof? I'll look at a man. I don't know that's a correct

but uh, I mean the answer is uh is

When you're on those spirited drives, you will feel the difference when you're puttering around town

You probably won't probably not it's I mean it's it's going to be situational hot holes. Maybe like the wheel might not

It'll spring back up out of the hole a little bit easier, but I don't know if you would even notice

I mean in general unless they're so light the structure is compromised lighter wheels help you everywhere

They help you brake better accelerate better. They're less resistant to turning so they help your turn in

um, they they make everything better so

Even and that you know, it's sort of like aerodynamics like those weight savings

They do scale linearly like down to zero like you know how like like wing like down force with wings increases linearly all the way up to your top speed

right

And also that that line goes all the way down to zero as well right

But like you don't feel anything until you get to 80 but it's happening

You just don't feel it same thing with the unsprung weight like if you're driving down a highway in a straight line

Like you're not going to feel much difference on your unsprung weight

If you're puttering around to the grocery store like you're not going to feel a difference

But like the second you start doing anything dynamic the more dynamic it gets the bigger the differences get yeah

This is literally the last question. Oh it is. Okay, fine

Guardian of dat ass guard

Wait

If you have a project car that is

Quote regular traffic

I'm not sure I invested that term. I know what that term is but I'll maybe you'll figure it out

Okay, but you're heavily invested it and like it a lot. Is it cool to bring to a car meet?

I've been doing a diy restoration on the 90s Ford truck

That i'm passionate about but not sure if it's cool enough to bring to a car meet

It is cool enough to bring to a car meet. Yeah

almost

Any car that is that is your project or that you're working on or whatever

Is cool enough to bring to a car meet. Yeah, and now you can find car meets that are more into the like 90s

Like radwood would be the perfect home for this truck meet forward meet whatever

But at any meet people will always respect diy stuff and you're like oh, I did that someone's gonna be big fan

Yeah, so thank you very much. Uh, of course, don't forget. We've got our project. It's a project

It's not really a project. It's a 9 11 turbo and we're giving it away

Uh, you can go to the website which is dream giveaway dot com slash tst

You can get tickets. No, it's not that remember. Oh, it's not. Oh, is it uh, this is dot com slash tickets slash Porsche

No, we have our go to our code in the description because it's got some extra characters that are important

So basically go to the link down below go to the link in the show notes

But uh, it's very straightforward to enter. There is a charitable element to it

Zach and I have customized the car in an awesome way

You get 75 k in your pocket to pay the federal taxes

It's a very very nice motherfucking car. So you can be able to take that home in august

Uh, but get your entries in now for the uh, 992 turbo s giveaway. Thank you to our patrons

We appreciate you very much if you want to see

Uh, me spinning an Aston martin valhalla into a ditch

You're gonna want to check out video out on patreon right now

And uh, thanks very much. We'll see the rest of you guys next time. Bye

The Great Aston Martin Valhalla Drive

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