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The most amazing people we've ever met #309

The most amazing people we've ever met #309

The Intercooler Apr 13, 2026 54 min
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About this episode

A wide-ranging, story-heavy chat about the people behind motorsport and car culture—less about machines and more about character. Dan Proser and Andrew Frankel trade “best and worst impressions” from their careers, praising considerate sports-car drivers like Derek Bell and Jochen Mass, and contrasting public personas with private warmth (notably Sebastian Loeb and Ayrton Senna). They also debate Max Verstappen’s guarded media style after a Japan press incident, then broaden out to celebs and legends: Keanu Reeves, Matt LeBlanc, Rowan Atkinson, Nick Mason, James Garner, Chris Hoy, and even Jeremy Clarkson’s work ethic.

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human stories

"Ultimately, everything that we write about, everything that we talk about on this podcast, everything that we present on our videos are ultimately human stories. Yeah. And we're celebrating motorsport, it's the drivers that we're getting excited about."

They’re basically saying that car racing and car writing aren’t just about machines—they’re about the people behind them. The choices people make, and the stories they live, are what shape the cars and the racing.

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motorsport

"Yeah. And we're celebrating motorsport, it's the drivers that we're getting excited about. But also, if we're talking about a dominant car, we very, very quickly start talking about the people who designed the car, don't we?"

Motorsport is car racing—like competitions where drivers and teams push cars to the limit. This episode is saying the real heart of it is the people: the drivers and the designers who make the cars work.

Car

Geo Prism

"... put a lot of it through, look at it through that prism a little bit."

The Geo Prism is a small, everyday car made to be practical and affordable. It’s not known for high performance; it’s more about getting you from place to place. If it’s mentioned in a podcast, it may be in a general or illustrative way rather than for racing or tuning.

Concept

sports car drivers

"So you may have a completely different perspective of me, but the nicest bunch of people that I have ever come across in the racing world are people who race sports cars. You can't be a completely selfish arse if you have to hand your car over to somebody"

Sports car racing is different from Formula 1. In many sports car events, drivers share the car and have to keep it running well for a long time, so being considerate and consistent matters.

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hand your car over to somebody else

"You can't be a completely selfish arse if you have to hand your car over to somebody else if you have to make a car last for 24 hours. If you have to set the car up in a way that everyone who's going to drive it will want"

In endurance racing, more than one driver drives the same car. That means the car has to feel good for different people, not just one driver’s preferences.

Concept

24 hours

"You can't be a completely selfish arse if you have to hand your car over to somebody else if you have to make a car last for 24 hours. If you have to set the car up in a way that everyone who's going to drive it will want"

“24 hours” is endurance racing where the car has to last for a whole day. Because drivers swap and the car has to keep working, teams focus on reliability and a setup that multiple people can drive well.

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set the car up

"If you have to make a car last for 24 hours. If you have to set the car up in a way that everyone who's going to drive it will want it to be set up."

“Set the car up” means tuning the race car so it handles the way the team wants. For long races, it also has to work for different drivers and not beat the tires or brakes up too quickly.

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historic racing

"And through historic racing, we just become friends over the years."

Historic racing is motorsport competition using older cars from past eras, often with rules meant to preserve authenticity. It’s a common way for enthusiasts and former drivers to stay connected to racing culture and share stories across generations.

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works racing driver

"...works Ferrari Formula One racing driver. I think there's still a little bit of him..."

A “works” driver is basically a factory-backed driver. It means the car maker is directly supporting them and they’re racing as part of that manufacturer’s effort.

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sports car racing

"...it was only in sports cars that I really found my Metier and, you know, no one ever won a sports car race by themselves."

Sports car racing is racing with cars built for endurance events, not just short sprints. A big part of it is that cars are often shared by multiple drivers, so teamwork is essential to win.

Topic

Le Mans

"I've spent some time with Le Mans drivers during Le Mans week. And actually what you notice is that they're under a lot of pressure."

Le Mans is one of the biggest long-distance races in the world. When people talk about “Le Mans week,” they mean the intense time leading up to the race, where drivers have a lot going on and must stay sharp.

Concept

James Hunt's championship year in 1976

"...this is the bloke with James Hunt's teammate at McLaren and in James's championship year in 1976."

James Hunt was a top Formula 1 driver, and 1976 is the year he won the World Championship. The speaker is using that year to highlight how significant the racing connection was.

Car

Porsche 911

"We are someone old racing 9-11, the cars are irrelevant. And he just sort of talked to me about his life."

They say “9-11,” which sounds like they mean the Porsche 911. They’re not really talking about the car here—more about the person they met.

Brand

Red Bull

"So this was when they were teammates at Red Bull. So we're talking, I think it was 2018, a while ago,"

Red Bull is the racing team in Formula 1. The hosts are saying Ricciardo and Verstappen worked together on that team around 2018.

Topic

British Grand Prix

"...at Red Bull Racing week before the British Grand Prix. Me and a few other journalists, mostly car journalists,"

The British Grand Prix is a big Formula 1 race in the UK. Teams and drivers focus on it because it’s a major stop on the F1 schedule.

Topic

Drive to Survive

"Do you remember in the very early days of Drive to Survive, Ferrari and Mercedes were not part of it? I think they came in perhaps for the second season. And it was Daniel Ricciardo, who was the big star of those early episodes."

Drive to Survive is a reality/behind-the-scenes style F1 series that helped bring new audiences to the sport. The transcript references how certain drivers became breakout stars early on, showing how media exposure can change a driver’s public profile.

Brand

Ferrari

"Do you remember in the very early days of Drive to Survive, Ferrari and Mercedes were not part of it? I think they came in perhaps for the second season."

Ferrari is a famous Formula 1 team. The hosts are mentioning that Ferrari didn’t show up in the earliest part of the Drive to Survive coverage.

Brand

Mercedes

"Do you remember in the very early days of Drive to Survive, Ferrari and Mercedes were not part of it? I think they came in perhaps for the second season."

Mercedes is a major Formula 1 team. The hosts are saying Mercedes wasn’t included in the earliest Drive to Survive seasons.

Topic

Japanese Grand Prix

"And I mention it now, because we probably all know what happened at the Japanese Grand Prix. Oh, yeah. He refused to talk until someone he didn't like was removed from the room. A journalist. Yeah. ... So there was a press conference before the Japanese Grand Prix"

The Japanese Grand Prix is one of Formula 1’s big races. Here, they’re talking about something that happened at a press event before that race—how a driver wouldn’t talk to certain journalists. It’s more about the media moment than the car itself.

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PR trained

"...he's probably grown up in an environment where he was very heavily PR trained and basically told that these people are looking for a story all the time."

“PR trained” means someone has been coached on how to talk to the press. In racing, teams often want drivers to be careful with what they say. The idea here is that the driver may have been taught that journalists are always trying to find a headline.

Topic

Max versus Lewis

"Do you think it's that he may be particularly wary about British journalists? Yeah, possibly because of the big, you know, the obvious sort of Max versus Lewis."

“Max versus Lewis” refers to the well-known rivalry between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in Formula 1. The segment uses it as context for why a driver might be wary of certain journalists—suggesting that media narratives around the rivalry can influence relationships. It’s a motorsport context marker rather than a technical car topic.

Topic

press conference

"But it's just to sort of fill in the blanks for people who don't know. So there was a press conference before the Japanese Grand Prix"

A press conference in Formula 1 is a scheduled media session where drivers and team representatives answer questions. The segment highlights how media access can be controlled—here, a driver refused to talk until a specific journalist was removed. That’s a useful context point for understanding how PR and media relations work in motorsport.

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P8 or P9

"a single biggest problem with Formula One at the moment is not that he's coming P8 or P9. It's that the cars aren't only fun to drive anymore."

“P8 or P9” means finishing 8th or 9th in the race. The point they’re making is that the problem isn’t just the ranking—it’s whether the cars feel fun to drive.

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power that they have

"Senna and Schumacher have all had moments when they have let themselves down and their ego has been able to, you know, manifest itself more than it should have done. And they have appeared to be throwing their weight around because they know the power that they have."

They’re talking about how very successful drivers sometimes act more forcefully because they know they’re capable of winning. That can make their behavior look bigger or more intimidating than it should.

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throwing their weight around

"their ego has been able to, you know, manifest itself more than it should have done. And they have appeared to be throwing their weight around because they know the power that they have."

This phrase means acting like you have more authority than others. In racing, it can describe drivers who seem to push people around because they’re famous and powerful.

Topic

Max as a driver

"It is. And I agree with you, by the way, I so admire Max as a driver absolutely. And I agree that it's a very artificial environment, this kind of round table interview press conference thing."

They’re talking about Max and how he comes across in interviews. The point is that being “guarded” in press settings doesn’t always show what someone is like in real life.

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media training / conditioned to be guarded

"That's not a reflection of a person, not really. They and he's been trained or conditioned over many years to be guarded in that environment."

The transcript suggests Max has been trained over many years to handle questions carefully in public. In motorsport, media training is common because drivers are expected to avoid controversy, protect sponsors, and stay consistent under pressure.

Topic

episode in Japan

"I just think that that episode in Japan was unbecoming and unnecessary. And actually, because when the garden journalist asked that question back in, I think it's in December, Max gave a pretty good answer."

The hosts reference a specific incident “in Japan” that they feel was handled poorly and then reignited by later commotion. This is a narrative topic rather than a technical automotive subject, but it helps explain why the discussion keeps returning to the same controversy.

Concept

tire test at Silverstone

"“...everybody knows the story of the day I spent with Senna and how which is a tire test at Silverstone...”"

A tire test at a track like Silverstone is where teams evaluate tire performance under controlled conditions—often comparing compounds, constructions, and pressures. Results depend heavily on track layout, temperature, and how the car is driven, so tire testing is as much about consistency and data collection as it is about raw grip.

Concept

rally cars

"“...drive one of his rally cars... it was in the South of France...”"

Rally cars are built for rough, changing roads instead of a smooth track. Because grip changes a lot, they’re set up differently—especially the suspension and how power is sent to the wheels.

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roundtable interview

"“...there was a usual roundtable interview.”"

A roundtable interview in a motorsport context often happens during test weekends, where drivers and engineers discuss performance, setup, and feedback. While not a technical term by itself, it’s a structural cue that the conversation is about extracting actionable driving and vehicle information.

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source of the replay

"And the really interesting, if you look at the source of the replay of it, as we go further and further through this stage, you can just see his the smile is getting broader and broader because all he can hear is me laughing."

They’re talking about where the video came from and rewatching it. It’s about reviewing footage, not a car feature.

Concept

warm handshakes

"And we just sat at the car and chatted and, you know, it was all warm handshakes and didn't recognize the bloke."

It’s just a way of saying they were being friendly and welcoming. It doesn’t mean anything mechanical about the car—it’s about the vibe.

Topic

Sterling Moss vs Mike Hawthorne (1950/1958 championship context)

"And famously he lost the championship in 1950. In 1958, Mike Hawthorne won one race and was world champion. Sterling Moss won four and wasn't. And the reason was Hawthorne got disqualified from the Portuguese Grand Prix. It went to appeal. Sterling spoke in his defense, got Hawthorne reinstated."

They’re talking about how championships aren’t only about who wins races. Sometimes penalties and rule decisions change who ends up champion.

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disqualified from the Portuguese Grand Prix

"And then he'd rather not win than win the wrong way. Yeah. And famously he lost the championship in 1950. In 1958, Mike Hawthorne won one race and was world champion. Sterling Moss won four and wasn't. And the reason was Hawthorne got disqualified from the Portuguese Grand Prix. It went to appeal."

Sometimes a race result gets thrown out if officials find a rules problem. If the team appeals and officials agree, the driver can get reinstated and the points can change.

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world champion

"In 1958, Mike Hawthorne won one race and was world champion. Sterling Moss won four and wasn't. And the reason was Hawthorne got disqualified from the Portuguese Grand Prix."

“World champion” refers to winning the season-long championship based on points across races, not just single-event results. This is why a disqualification (and later reinstatement) can swing the championship even if a driver wins more races.

Concept

appeal

"And the reason was Hawthorne got disqualified from the Portuguese Grand Prix. It went to appeal. Sterling spoke in his defense, got Hawthorne reinstated. That was the difference."

An appeal is when a team asks officials to reconsider a decision. If they change their minds, the final result and points can be updated.

Concept

ghosted column about driving a car

"Yeah. And it was basically a ghosted column about driving a car. Robert couldn't do it and asked me if I wanted to."

“Ghosted” means the credited person didn’t actually write the article. Someone else wrote it for them, often using their stories and input.

Concept

bag of spanners

"Sterling would turn up with his bag of spanners. Do you think the tenants knew?"

It means carrying tools like wrenches to fix things on the spot. The story is emphasizing that Sterling would handle problems himself.

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gap-filling driving (threading traffic)

"If there's a gap, I'm just going to put this car in that gap and I will just trust everybody else to make way for me."

This is when a driver squeezes into tiny spaces between cars to get ahead. It can work if everyone cooperates, but it’s stressful and risky because it depends on other people reacting fast.

Brand

Top Gear

"So I'd never been to a Top Gear. I still never have."

Top Gear is a famous car show on TV. It’s known for entertaining car stories and reviews, and it’s a big part of car culture.

Company

Michelin

"[1817.4s] Clang. [1818.4s] This was a Michelin tire launch. [1821.4s] The thermal race club in Palm Springs in California."

Michelin makes tires. They sometimes host big events to show off new tire models, and that’s what’s being referenced here.

Topic

thermal race club in Palm Springs in California

"[1818.4s] This was a Michelin tire launch. [1821.4s] The thermal race club in Palm Springs in California. [1827.4s] And Keanu Reeves was there."

They’re talking about a motorsport-themed event in Palm Springs, California. It’s mainly background for the story about who showed up.

Brand

Nio

"[1827.4s] And Keanu Reeves was there. [1830.4s] Nio was there because he's got a motorcycle company. [1834.4s] I think it's called Arch."

Nio is an electric-car company. In this story, they’re mentioned because the event had connections to a motorcycle business too.

Brand

Arch

"[1830.4s] Nio was there because he's got a motorcycle company. [1834.4s] I think it's called Arch. [1835.4s] And I guess they had a tie-in with Michelin."

Arch is referenced as the name of a motorcycle company associated with the person at the event. The hosts imply a tie-in between that motorcycle brand and Michelin, which is why the group was present and “wheeled him out.”

Topic

car launch event tire activity

"And part of the, one of the activities for this launch event of the new tire was to do what we call ducks and drakes... And we do several laps."

The segment describes a typical tire brand launch format: journalists drive the same tire-equipped cars in an instructor-led session, usually over multiple laps. This helps demonstrate grip and confidence-building progression in a repeatable way.

Concept

ducks and drakes

"...the new tire was to do what we call ducks and drakes... The idea is you sort of get faster and faster as long as all the following ducks are happy and confident going quicker."

It’s a practice driving setup: one car goes first and sets the pace, and other cars follow. Everyone tries to go quicker over several laps, but only as long as it feels controlled and the drivers are confident.

Car

Bmw M

"...e was to do what we call ducks and drakes in some BMW M cars where there would be an instructor leading, ..."

The BMW M Coupe (E36) is a sporty two-door car made by BMW’s performance team. It’s designed to be fun to drive, with a focus on handling rather than comfort. People mention it when they’re talking about how certain performance BMWs are driven or taught.

Car

BMW M cars

"...in some BMW M cars where there would be an instructor leading..."

BMW has a performance line called “M.” Here, they’re talking about a driving event where an instructor drives a BMW M car first, and journalists follow in similar cars to learn the tires’ limits.

Car

Mclaren F1

"Although when he sold his McLaren F1, we did spend a day together in it because they wanted some column inches about the car to obviously just, you know, make the fact that it was being made available for sale more publicly widely known."

The McLaren F1 is a very famous, extremely rare supercar made by McLaren. People love it because it was built to be special and it’s become a collector icon over the years.

Car

Mitsubishi Outlander

"We took his outland. [2020.4s] He had an outlander plug-in at the time."

This is a Mitsubishi Outlander that you can charge like an electric car. It also has a gas engine for when you need more range.

Brand

Pink Floyd

"[2061.4s] Nick Mason, drummer Pink Floyd."

Pink Floyd is a famous band, and Nick Mason is their drummer. The hosts are just using it to identify the person they’re talking about.

Topic

Monza

"Met him at Monza with Jack Villeneuve."

Monza is a famous race track in Italy. It’s the kind of place where big racing events happen, so it’s a notable setting for a car-related meeting.

Concept

sponsorship logistics (not bringing a trailer)

"There was some mad thing that BAT tried to do to try to, as in BAT as in not bringing a trailer but British American tobacco,"

Racing sponsors sometimes bring their own gear and setups to events. This part sounds like BAT trying to simplify or change how they show up—specifically by not bringing a trailer.

Company

BAT

"There was some mad thing that BAT tried to do to try to, as in BAT as in not bringing a trailer but British American tobacco,"

BAT stands for British American Tobacco. They’ve sponsored motorsport in the past, so this sounds like a sponsorship-related move connected to racing.

Topic

John Frankenheimer Grand Prix movie

"tried to do to sort of recreate some of the scenes from the John Frankenheimer Grand Prix movie and they got Garner over and Villeneuve."

They’re talking about a well-known racing movie called "Grand Prix." It’s famous for showing what race weekends feel like, even if it’s Hollywood.

Concept

pit wall

"and I'd spent that afternoon at Monza standing on the pit wall with him watching all these cars go past."

The pit wall is where the team watches the race from right by the pits. It’s where people coordinate what the driver should do next.

Concept

single-seaters

"massively was they had some of these old single-seaters that had been in the original movie and his insurance absolutely would not let him drive one"

A single-seater is a race car made for just one driver. It’s usually very specialized and can be hard to insure or drive unless you’re qualified and the car is set up for it.

Term

insurance

"and his insurance absolutely would not let him drive one and he was desperate to drive one"

Insurance is what decides whether someone is allowed to drive a car legally and safely from a risk standpoint. With race cars, the insurance company may say no unless the driver meets certain requirements.

Term

helmets

"with the helmets on and wearing the sort of 1960s alike racing overalls"

A helmet is the protective headgear drivers wear in racing. It helps protect you from crashes and flying debris, and it’s standard safety equipment.

Term

racing overalls

"helmets on and wearing the sort of 1960s alike racing overalls"

Racing overalls are special protective clothing for drivers. They’re made to help protect your skin if you get burned or scraped during a crash.

Term

change gear

"How do you change gear and what does this button do?"

Changing gear means selecting a different gear ratio so the engine can pull harder or spin at the right speed. In race cars, it’s usually done quickly and correctly to keep performance up.

Term

button

"How do you change gear and what does this button do? Just talking to one of them said, oh, if you press up the car stars."

Race cars have extra buttons for different functions. The exact one isn’t specified here, but it’s the kind of control a driver might need to know before using the car.

Concept

racing driver double (stunt double)

"...he not only did all his own driving but was so highly regarded by the professional Formula One drivers... he doubled for a lot of the other actors as well... So he was actually hired as a racing driver as well."

Sometimes actors can’t safely do the driving shots, so a professional driver steps in. That person can handle the car smoothly and safely while filming the action.

Concept

balaclavas (for racing scenes)

"And there are lots of scenes where drivers wearing sort of balaclavas and you can't see where it is. And it's actually James Garner being them."

Balaclavas are used to cover the head and neck, often for comfort and to help manage wind, debris, and visibility in high-speed scenes. In film racing contexts, they also help keep the driver’s identity hidden while maintaining a consistent racing look.

Concept

racing old cars

"Again, I knew him through racing old cars. And I'd sort of see him in a panic and he'd come over..."

"Racing old cars" refers to motorsport events or track activity using vintage or classic vehicles, which often have different handling, braking, and reliability characteristics than modern cars. It’s also a community where reputations and relationships carry over from one era of racing to another.

Brand

Chris Hoy

"Chris Hoy. Yeah. Another. Hello, Chris. I think he does listen to this."

Chris Hoy is mentioned as a person the host met who’s obsessed with cars. The transcript doesn’t tie him to a specific make/model, but it’s a notable name in motorsport culture, and the episode frames him as knowledgeable and enthusiastic.

Topic

Festival of Speed

"and how he has elevated the Festival of Speed [2393.4s] into being one of the, frankly, [2394.4s] one of the premier motor shows in the world,"

The Festival of Speed is a big car event where automakers show off new cars. It’s also a place where racing people and teams come to talk and display what’s new.

Concept

F1 teams

"you know, 90% of the world's F1 teams to turn up [2404.4s] and get that many new car debuts."

F1 teams are the groups that race in Formula 1. They’re the people who build the race cars, so their presence at a car show usually means there’s a lot of serious performance tech and new-car hype.

Brand

Audi

"Yeah, so talking of Audi, I was at an Audi UK launch event in the Cotswolds somewhere a few years ago."

Audi is a car brand from Germany. They sometimes hold big events in the UK to show off new cars, and that’s what the hosts are talking about here.

Topic

Formula One

"And his contribution to broadcast media, as much as his contribution to Formula One is, I think, very difficult to overestimate."

Formula One is the highest level of open-wheel racing. It’s the kind of motorsport where the cars are very technical, and broadcasters often draw on their own racing experience to explain what’s happening.

Brand

Bentley

"...we met up, we met a few times, particularly when he was racing for Bentley's. We are quite excited because he's going to be a podcast guest of ours quite shortly..."

Bentley is a British luxury car brand. They’ve also been involved in racing, so when someone says “Bentley’s” in a driver context, it usually means the team or racing effort tied to the brand.

Topic

British circuits

"You think about what all those British circuits would be like, what states they might be in had Motorsport Vision not come and bought them and just turn them into the proper up to date nice places to be that they are."

They’re discussing UK race tracks and how they’ve been improved. When the right people invest in a track, it can become safer and more modern for racing events.

Car

Volkswagen Gtis

"I used to, I used to borrow tuned Golf GTIs from Richard Lloyd. So Mark II Golf GTIs in the late 80s"

A Golf GTI is a sportier Volkswagen Golf. People tune them a lot because they’re fun and have a strong performance aftermarket.

Company

GTI Engineering

"So Mark II Golf GTIs in the late 80s from GTI Engineering, which he ran."

GTI Engineering sounds like a company that worked on Golf GTIs. They likely helped with tuning and getting cars ready for performance use.

Car

Jaguar XKR

"And he said he had this GT program with the Jaguar XKR."

The Jaguar XKR is a performance-focused Jaguar coupe/convertible from the XKR line, typically powered by a supercharged V8. Here it’s mentioned as the basis of a “GT program,” implying it was being developed or campaigned for grand touring-style racing.

Topic

24 hour race at Silverstone

"But they were going to do this 24 hour race at Silverstone at the weekend."

A 24-hour race is like a marathon for cars—drivers rotate and the team keeps the car running for a full day. Silverstone is one of the most famous race tracks in the UK.

Concept

signing on

"we need you to report on Thursday for signing on. I said, well, hang on."

“Signing on” is the paperwork check-in before a race. It’s where drivers/teams confirm they’re officially entered for the event.

Concept

endurance racing

"So that's how I found myself doing a 24 hour race for Richard Lloyd... David Leslie, who I shared with Mike, actually, RX-8s and another 24 hour race at Silverstone..."

Endurance racing is about lasting a long time without breaking. It’s not only about being quick—it’s also about strategy and keeping the car healthy for hours.

Car

Mazda Rx8S

"David Leslie, who I shared with Mike, actually, RX-8s and another 24 hour race at Silverstone, died in the same accident that killed Richard Lloyd."

The RX-8 is a Mazda sports car that uses a rotary engine instead of a normal piston engine. That rotary design changes how the car makes power, which is why it shows up in racing stories.

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