The Truth About Chinese EVs: BYD, NIO, XPeng vs Tesla | Wheelsboy Interview
About this episode
Ethan Robertson of Wheelsboy (dual-language Chinese EV coverage) joins MotorTrend’s podcast to break down what’s really driving China’s EV boom. He traces the quality jump from early BYD and GAC-era cars to the “turning point” around 2021–2023, when Chinese EVs finally felt fun and well-sorted to drive. Tesla remains highly considered in China, but price/value pressure is growing. The conversation also tackles China’s brutal price war, likely consolidation into a “big three,” brand cachet fading, ADAS hype vs real-world performance, and why Chinese EVs will likely reach the U.S. within five years.
China’s auto industry is evolving faster than anyone expected—and it might already be ahead of the West. In this episode of The InEVitable, MotorTrend's Ed Loh sits down with Ethan Robertson of Wheelsboy to break down what’s really happening inside the Chinese EV market.
From BYD and NIO to XPeng and Xiaomi, we dive into the companies reshaping the future of cars—and why Tesla may no longer be the benchmark. Ethan shares firsthand insights after driving hundreds of Chinese vehicles, revealing how quality, technology, and value have skyrocketed in just a few years. We also explore the brutal price wars, why legacy automakers are struggling, and whether Chinese EVs are coming to the U.S. sooner than expected.
If you want to understand the future of the global auto industry, this is a must-watch.
Chinese EVs: BYD, NIO, XPeng vs Tesla
"Podcast: The InEVitable Episode: The Truth About Chinese EVs: BYD, NIO, XPeng vs Tesla | Wheelsboy Interview"
The show is basically about comparing Chinese electric car brands to Tesla. They’re trying to explain how they stack up and why people should care.
The episode framing is a comparison of major Chinese EV makers (BYD, NIO, XPeng) against Tesla. That kind of head-to-head discussion typically covers product strategy, technology choices, pricing, and market positioning.
Wills Boy
"Ethan Robertson from Wills Boy. Let's bring him on. Welcome to The Inevitable, a podcast by Motor Trend."
Wills Boy is the name of Ethan Robertson’s channel/brand. It’s the platform he uses to talk about cars and EVs.
“Wills Boy” appears to be the host/creator Ethan Robertson is associated with. In EV discussions, creator channels often influence what models get attention and how buyers interpret real-world driving and ownership.
Motor Trend
"Welcome to The Inevitable, a podcast by Motor Trend. All right, so. Ni hao."
Motor Trend is a car media company. This podcast is being produced by them, so it’s part of their broader coverage of cars and technology.
Motor Trend is a well-known automotive media company that produces reviews and news, and it also runs podcasts like The Inevitable. Listeners may want to know the source because editorial standards and audience expectations can shape how EV comparisons are presented.
Trip route: New York to Detroit to Chicago to L.A.
"For this trip, we were just showing my Chinese audience America started in New York, went to, you know, Detroit for a few days, Chicago, burned across the Midwest... And then now we're in L.A."
They’re describing where they drove in the U.S. This is mainly background for the trip and why certain car options may have been limited.
The hosts describe a cross-country driving route across major U.S. cities. While not a technical automotive topic, it sets the context for what cars they could realistically rent and film along the way.
Enterprise
"We drove from Enterprise. Originally, I'll tell you this. Originally, we wanted a Chevy Malibu."
Enterprise is a company that rents cars. The hosts got their rental from Enterprise for this trip.
Enterprise is a major car-rental company. Here, it’s where the group picked up the vehicle for their trip, which matters because rental availability can affect what car they can film or review.
Chevrolet Malibu
"Originally, we wanted a Chevy Malibu. The reason being that one of the differences between my Chinese content and my English content is on YouTube, all they want to hear me talk about is Chinese EVs... And so we really wanted to get a Malibu. They didn't have any Malibus."
The Chevrolet Malibu is a common, everyday car from Chevrolet. They wanted to rent one for the trip, but it wasn’t available.
The Chevrolet Malibu is a mainstream midsize sedan from Chevrolet. In this segment, it’s mentioned as the rental car the hosts wanted to use to showcase American car culture to a Chinese audience.
hybrids
"Not even hybrids. People get annoyed when I talk about hybrids. Whereas in my Chinese language content from audiences in China, they want to hear me talk about American cars..."
A hybrid is a car that uses gas and electricity together. The host is saying some people get frustrated when he talks about hybrids instead of EVs.
A hybrid vehicle uses both an internal-combustion engine and an electric motor/battery system to improve efficiency. In the segment, the host notes that some viewers prefer pure EV topics over hybrids.
vehicle access / media car loan requests
"So that's a great question... to borrow vehicles? ... And unfortunately, they just couldn't get their stuff together fast enough to get me into one."
They’re talking about the process of asking car companies for cars to film with. Sometimes the request gets stuck or takes too long, so they end up using whatever they can get.
The segment focuses on how media creators request vehicle access from automakers and how approvals can fail due to internal coordination delays. It’s a behind-the-scenes look at why a planned filming car may not materialize in time.
General Motors
"we have a good relationship with, say, General Motors, Ford in China... But when you reach out to the American side, the left hand does not speak to the right."
General Motors is a big car company in the U.S. The point here is that the speaker could connect with GM people in China, but it was much harder to get approval and car access from the U.S. side.
General Motors (GM) is a major U.S. automaker with global operations, including partnerships and production in China. The speaker is describing how GM’s China-side contacts didn’t translate into access to vehicles on the U.S. side for filming.
left hand does not speak to the right
"But when you reach out to the American side, the left hand does not speak to the right. They're like, who?"
It means the people on one side of a company weren’t talking to the people on the other side. So even if they knew the right contacts, the process still didn’t move fast enough.
This phrase describes organizational silos—when different parts of a company or organization don’t communicate effectively with each other. In this context, it explains why the speaker’s China-side contacts couldn’t quickly secure vehicle access from the U.S. side.
intensive language training program
"...for six months, four months in Beijing, it was an intensive language training program where I literally signed a contract..."
This is a fast, focused way to learn a language by using it a lot every day. The guest is describing how they trained to be able to communicate in China.
An intensive language program is designed to accelerate fluency by immersing students in daily speaking and structured rules. In this context, it’s used to explain how the guest prepared for work or research related to China.
Bentley Continental Flying Spur
"I am walking and I see in the distance a parking lot and there are a rainbow of Bentley Continental like flying spurs, right?"
The Bentley Continental Flying Spur is a very expensive luxury sedan. It’s the sort of car people buy when they want maximum comfort and prestige, not practicality.
The Bentley Continental Flying Spur is Bentley’s luxury four-door sedan. It’s known for a big, comfortable ride and a very upscale interior, and it’s the kind of car that signals “ultra-premium” status in markets where it’s common.
automotive PR
"His email said, Hey, I'm more than happy to introduce you to the PR from different companies. But my honest advice to you is don't learn Chinese."
“PR” means public relations—how a company talks to the press and the public. In cars, it affects what stories you hear about a brand and how people judge their cars.
Automotive PR (public relations) is how car companies manage media coverage, influencer relationships, and public messaging. In the EV world, PR can shape how brands like Tesla and Chinese EV makers are perceived—especially around claims of quality, safety, and technology.
automotive landscape
"And so this this story, now we look at the way the automotive landscape is. Right. Right. And, you know, we'll get into this."
“Automotive landscape” just means the overall car industry—who’s winning and who’s growing. With EVs, it’s usually about which companies are getting more popular and more powerful.
“Automotive landscape” refers to the competitive map of who’s gaining market share, influence, and momentum in the industry. In EV discussions, this often means comparing established players (like Tesla) against fast-rising Chinese brands (BYD, NIO, XPeng).
Ignition
"He did. He went there for season six, episode 12 of Ignition. [585.0s] To to evaluate the 2014 Bentley Flying Spur."
“Ignition” here is the name of a show/series. They’re talking about going there to evaluate a car, not describing a car feature.
In this context, “Ignition” refers to a TV/podcast episode series the host mentioned visiting for an evaluation segment. It’s not an automotive technology term—more like the show format where the car was reviewed.
2014 Bentley Flying Spur
"To to evaluate the 2014 Bentley Flying Spur. [588.0s] There you go. I didn't make it out."
Bentley’s Flying Spur is a very upscale sedan meant for long, comfortable drives. The “2014” part just tells you which model year it is, which matters because the car’s features and engine options can change over time.
The Bentley Flying Spur is Bentley’s luxury grand tourer sedan, and the 2014 model is part of the Flying Spur’s first-generation run (introduced in the late 2000s). It’s known for a heavy, comfort-focused ride and a powerful engine lineup, making it a common “benchmark” car when discussing luxury performance and refinement.
Cherry Jaguar Land Rover
"including Cherry Jaguar Land Rover, so the joint venture in China. [709.9s] I think we had some stuff with Ford or something at the time."
This is a China-based partnership connected to Jaguar Land Rover. The guest is just saying their PR agency had clients tied to that business.
“Cherry Jaguar Land Rover” refers to the Chinese partnership behind Jaguar Land Rover vehicles in China. It’s mentioned here as an example of a client the guest’s PR agency worked with.
joint venture in China
"including Cherry Jaguar Land Rover, so the joint venture in China. [709.9s] I think we had some stuff with Ford or something at the time."
A joint venture is when two companies team up. In China, it often means a foreign brand works with a local company to make and sell cars there.
A joint venture in China usually means a foreign automaker partners with a local company to build and sell vehicles. This structure has historically shaped how cars are developed and produced for the Chinese market.
Wheelsboy
"And it was while I was working there and being very bored working there [718.7s] that I met my now current partners for Wheelsboy. [722.0s] OK. OK. Interesting."
Wheelsboy is the automotive media group the guest is part of. They’re talking about how they met the people who run it while they were living and working in China.
Wheelsboy is the podcast/brand the guest is associated with. In this segment, it’s used to explain how the interviewee met their partners while working in China.
testing vehicles
"Don't worry. That's funny, because when we we took a bunch, [746.3s] we took some colleagues to China to test vehicles. [752.0s] We did it with D car and we ended up at the Wuhan, [754.6s] this big testing facility there."
They’re describing a trip where they went to a place built for evaluating cars. The idea is to drive and assess vehicles in a controlled setting before talking about them.
The hosts mention taking colleagues to China to test vehicles at a dedicated facility. This is a common step in evaluating new cars—especially EVs—before publishing impressions or making comparisons.
Wuhan testing facility
"We did it with D car and we ended up at the Wuhan, [754.6s] this big testing facility there. But that's pretty new. [758.8s] But when you were there, I think that's like only a couple of years old."
They’re talking about a car testing location in Wuhan. The guest suggests it’s fairly new, and that’s where they went to evaluate vehicles.
The segment mentions ending up at a “Wuhan” testing facility used for evaluating vehicles. For listeners, it highlights that the guest’s experience included hands-on testing in China, likely in a relatively new facility.
audience geography
"If you want to think about it geographically, our largest audience is America consistently, but that still may be 15 percent max. After that, it's a lot of other, you know, English speaking countries such as, you know, Britain"
They’re explaining where their viewers live. That matters because different countries buy different cars, so the channel’s content can shift depending on which market is watching.
The interview breaks down viewership by region (America, Britain, Europe, and Southeast Asia). In automotive media, audience geography matters because it influences which markets’ cars are relevant and which models get the most coverage.
late entering the game
"And they were smart enough to realize even then they were late entering the game. So they couldn't come and bring the same kind of this is a your average Chinese car reviewer guy talking about a Chinese car."
It means they started later than other people. When you’re late, you have to work harder to stand out because customers already know other brands.
“Late entering the game” refers to a company or team starting its EV/media push after competitors have already built audience, partnerships, and momentum. In fast-moving EV markets, timing affects brand awareness and how quickly you can earn trust with buyers.
YouTube
"And so we started filming videos in Chinese in April of 2020. I'm sorry, April of 2019. And then we didn't really start doing YouTube videos full time until"
YouTube is where car channels post videos. If you post regularly, more people learn about the cars and start trusting the channel.
YouTube is the platform where many automotive reviewers build audiences and credibility. For EV brands and media, consistent video publishing can strongly influence consumer awareness and purchase consideration.
China market
"Let's talk about let's talk about the China market. So that's what you're what you cover."
They’re talking about the China market—how selling and talking about cars works differently there than in other countries. For EVs, it often means you have to connect with local buyers in the way they expect.
The hosts shift into how the China market differs from other regions in terms of audience expectations, media style, and what buyers respond to. For EVs, that can include how quickly new models arrive and how important local language and cultural context are to marketing.
Chinese audience
"What is the novelty about having a for the Chinese audience to have a foreigner? ... Is it is the novelty that you that you speak fluently? That's that's part of it."
They’re saying that when a foreigner talks about cars to Chinese viewers, it can feel novel—but it also helps a lot if the person can speak Chinese well. That makes the message feel more trustworthy and easier to follow.
The discussion highlights the “novelty” factor of a foreigner presenting cars to a Chinese audience, and how fluency in Chinese can affect credibility and engagement. In automotive media, language and cultural fit can be as important as the technical content.
Authenticity
"This is said all the time, but it's true. Authenticity is very important. OK, OK, I get it."
“Authenticity” here means the person isn’t just repeating ads—they’ve actually experienced the cars. That makes their opinions feel more believable.
In car media, “authenticity” means the opinion comes from real-world experience rather than marketing claims. When someone has driven many cars, their impressions tend to feel more trustworthy to viewers.
hype around Chinese vehicles
"So let's let's just jump in. Let's talk about the hype around Chinese vehicles. Like, is it hype like you've driven?"
They’re basically asking: are Chinese EVs getting more hype than they deserve, or are they genuinely good? The conversation is about what’s real after driving them.
The hosts shift into a discussion about whether Chinese EVs are being overhyped versus what owners and drivers actually experience. This frames the episode’s core comparison between perception and real driving/quality.
quality and innovation takeoff during the pandemic
"OK, and in the early years, I would say, is it true that it seems to be the real sort of the real takeoff point for the quality and the innovation kind of happened during the pandemic?"
The segment suggests a “takeoff point” in Chinese EV quality and innovation during the pandemic era. That’s a useful concept because it implies rapid iteration—manufacturers improved designs, manufacturing processes, and software faster than before.
Shanghai Grand Prix
"I went to the Shanghai Grand Prix in 2012. And I still remember like the pollution is really bad"
The Shanghai Grand Prix is a major racing event in Shanghai. The host brings it up to explain he’s been around China’s car culture for years.
The Shanghai Grand Prix refers to Formula 1’s event in Shanghai, which is a high-profile motorsport stop. Mentioning it helps set context for the host’s long-term exposure to China’s automotive scene, not just consumer cars.
"knockoff looking" cars
"And I still remember like the pollution is really bad and all the cars were like super knockoff looking. And then I didn't go for a long time."
The host’s “knockoff looking” comment reflects an early perception that some Chinese cars resembled Western designs too closely. It’s a perception that later shifted as Chinese brands developed more original styling and engineering credibility.
pandemic-era border shutdown
"And then due to the pandemic, China basically shut its borders, right? And so that made a three year period or so where these Chinese, these outsiders, you know, they didn't know what was happening in China."
When China shut its borders during the pandemic, it created a multi-year gap where international observers couldn’t easily see what was happening in the market. That “information lag” helped delay the global EV industry’s perception of how fast Chinese brands were improving.
Shanghai Auto Show
"So I would say that the 2023 Shanghai Auto Show was I remember going around is really entertaining to see all the German executives"
The Shanghai Auto Show is a huge car event in China where companies show off their newest cars. The host is using it to talk about when Chinese carmakers started impressing people internationally.
The Shanghai Auto Show is one of the biggest auto events in the world, and it’s often where automakers debut new models and technologies. In this segment, it’s used as a reference point for when Chinese EVs and automakers started feeling more “world class” to outsiders.
BYD Han
"Oh, I mean, B Y D's for sure. B Y D Han was an early one, you know, stuff from Ion, which is a sub brand from GAC or Guangxi Automotive."
The BYD Han is one of BYD’s earlier electric sedans. In the conversation, it’s used as an example of an early BYD car that already showed promise.
The BYD Han is a BYD mid-size EV sedan that helped establish BYD’s reputation early in the Chinese EV boom. The host mentions it as an early example of the quality and technology that were starting to impress people.
GAC or Guangxi Automotive
"B Y D Han was an early one, you know, stuff from Ion, which is a sub brand from GAC or Guangxi Automotive."
GAC, also called Guangxi Automotive, is a Chinese company that makes cars. The host is using it to explain the ownership/brand structure behind some EV products.
GAC (Guangxi Automotive) is a Chinese automaker group that operates multiple brands and sub-brands. The host mentions it to clarify where the “Ion” EV lineup fits within the broader corporate structure.
build quality
"I knew that their build quality could be pretty good, but they couldn't make a car as far as I could tell."
Build quality is how solid and well-made the car feels—like how tight the parts are and how refined everything seems. The host is saying Chinese EVs were getting better at this, but earlier ones didn’t always feel as fun to drive.
“Build quality” refers to how well a car is put together—panel fit, materials, switchgear feel, and overall refinement. The host is contrasting build quality improvements with earlier shortcomings in driving feel and enjoyment.
drives very well
"but they couldn't make a car as far as I could tell. They didn't make any cars that drove very well. They just didn't have any kind of enjoyment from behind the wheel. They were very soft."
“Drives very well” is about more than acceleration—it includes steering response, suspension tuning, braking feel, and overall chassis balance. The host’s point is that early Chinese EVs were often “soft,” meaning the ride and handling didn’t deliver the same driver engagement as more established brands.
soft
"They just didn't have any kind of enjoyment from behind the wheel. They were very soft."
In driving terms, “soft” usually describes suspension tuning that prioritizes comfort over sharp control—more body movement, less immediate response, and a less “connected” feel. The host uses it to explain why earlier Chinese EVs could be impressive in tech and comfort but still lack driver enjoyment.
steering feel
"They could be comfortable, but there's no steering feel. There's the front end is just heavy and dead."
Steering feel is how the steering wheel tells you what the tires are doing. If it’s missing, the car can feel vague or disconnected even when it’s comfortable.
“Steering feel” is the driver’s sense of how the front tires are responding—how much effort changes with speed, and how accurately the car communicates grip and road texture. Many EVs (especially with certain electric power steering setups) can feel lighter or less communicative than traditional hydraulic systems, even if performance is good.
BYD Seal
"Driving a B Y D seal through the mountains outside of Shenzhen. I actually got chastised by my one of my co founders, because he's like, you got to slow down."
BYD Seal is an all-electric car from BYD. The speaker is saying it drives in a way that feels more fun and connected, not numb or lifeless.
The BYD Seal is a Chinese battery-electric sedan from BYD. In this segment, the host is describing how its chassis tuning (suspension behavior) can feel more engaging than some other EVs that lack steering “feel.”
suspension tuned to damping and spring rate
"The suspension and the way it was tuned to the damping and the spring rate. And it was great. It felt very, very good."
A car’s suspension has two big settings: how stiff it is (spring rate) and how it controls movement (damping). Good tuning makes the car feel stable and responsive instead of floaty or bouncy.
Damping and spring rate are key suspension tuning parameters. Spring rate controls how stiff the car is, while damping controls how quickly the suspension compresses and rebounds—together they determine ride control, body motion, and how “alive” the car feels in corners.
counter-rotating wheels demo
"When did it come out and it was doing like the all the thing when it's using the counter rotating wheels to go across the stage? I feel like that was the jaw drop."
This is a trick where the wheels turn in opposite directions to make the car move in a very controlled, dramatic way. It’s meant to show how well the car can control torque and traction at low speeds.
Counter-rotating wheels refers to a vehicle motion technique where wheels on opposite sides rotate in opposite directions to enable very tight maneuvering or dramatic low-speed movement. In EV show demos, it’s often used to highlight control, traction management, and torque vectoring capabilities.
wholly foreign owned, self owned company
"...the Chinese government, Tesla was the first foreign automotive company to be allowed to have a wholly foreign owned, self owned company there. Previously, you needed to have a joint venture, your 50 50 joint venture between a Chinese company and a foreign company."
Usually, foreign automakers in China had to team up with a local company and share ownership. The big deal in this story is that Tesla was allowed to run its China business with full foreign ownership, which made it faster and easier to bring its own approach to the market.
This refers to China’s regulatory shift that allowed Tesla to operate as a wholly foreign-owned automaker rather than being forced into a joint venture. That policy change mattered because joint ventures typically require shared control with a local partner, which can slow decision-making and limit technology transfer.
50/50 joint venture
"Previously, you needed to have a joint venture, your 50 50 joint venture between a Chinese company and a foreign company."
A 50/50 joint venture is a business structure where a foreign automaker and a Chinese partner share ownership and control. The segment highlights how this was the prior requirement in China, and why Tesla’s ability to bypass it (via full foreign ownership) gave it a competitive advantage in speed and strategy.
SAIC
"It's not SAI. It's I'm sorry, it's not G.M.S.A.I.C. It's S.A.I.C. General Motors, right?"
SAIC is a major Chinese automaker group that commonly partners with foreign brands in joint ventures. The host’s aside about the correct ordering/name is emphasizing how these joint-venture partner names are presented in China’s corporate structure.
Chinese government strategic move to encourage Tesla
"...very strategic and pivotal move by the Chinese government because they wanted to encourage Tesla to come in... they wanted to create competition for their local automakers, for them to be able to learn from Tesla..."
The host is talking about how government policy can shape competition. The claim is that China wanted Tesla to come in so local companies could learn faster and build better electric cars.
The segment describes a policy approach where the Chinese government encouraged Tesla’s entry to spur learning and competition among local automakers. The idea is that exposure to Tesla’s manufacturing and EV know-how would accelerate improvements across China’s domestic EV industry.
Model Y killer / Model 3 killer
"...But the Model Y killer, the Model 3 killer. Like you said, there's a dozen or two dozen Model Y killers and Model 3 killers. None of them have managed to kill the Model Y or the Model 3..."
“Killer” is internet/marketing talk meaning “this car will beat the Tesla.” The host is saying that even though lots of Chinese EVs are advertised as challengers, Tesla’s Model Y and Model 3 are still winning in the real world.
“Model Y killer” and “Model 3 killer” are marketing-style phrases used to claim a competitor EV will outperform Tesla’s best-sellers. The host pushes back by noting that, despite many challengers, none have actually “killed” Tesla’s sales dominance.
Model Y
"that says Model 3, Model Y killer and everything. Because, unfortunately, on YouTube, that's what works."
The Tesla Model Y is an all-electric SUV from Tesla. Calling something a “Model Y killer” means it’s trying to be better and/or cheaper enough to pull buyers away from the Model Y.
The Tesla Model Y is an electric crossover/SUV that has been a major volume driver for Tesla. In EV debates, “Model Y killer” is shorthand for a rival that could outperform Tesla’s best-selling model in key areas like cost, charging access, and day-to-day usability.
Model 3
"that says Model 3, Model Y killer and everything. Because, unfortunately, on YouTube, that's what works."
The Tesla Model 3 is an all-electric car from Tesla. When someone says another EV is a “Model 3 killer,” they mean it could be so good and affordable that it would steal Model 3 buyers.
The Tesla Model 3 is an electric sedan that became one of the most important EVs globally. When people call other EVs a “Model 3 killer,” they’re usually arguing the challenger can match or beat Tesla on price, range, charging, and software experience.
VW Group
"Also, VW Group has had a long and huge footprint. And it's funny to watch the declining market share."
VW Group (Volkswagen Group) is a large multinational automaker that includes brands like Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, and others. The speaker is arguing that VW’s China market position has weakened because earlier-generation cars were seen as low-quality or overly cheap, hurting long-term demand.
declining market share
"And it's funny to watch the declining market share. It's basically fell off a cliff for VW Group"
Declining market share means a brand is losing sales compared to competitors. It’s a sign that buyers are choosing other options more often.
“Declining market share” means a company is selling a smaller percentage of total sales in a market over time. In the EV context, it often reflects product competitiveness, pricing pressure, and changing consumer preferences—especially when newer rivals offer better value or technology.
cash aid
"So it's going to have some cash aid to it. But where does where does Tesla currently"
“Cash aid” means money support that can help a company sell cars more easily. It can make a brand look more competitive, even if the cars themselves aren’t the best.
“Cash aid” here refers to financial support that can help a brand’s pricing or competitiveness in a market. In automotive, subsidies or incentives can temporarily boost sales, but they can also mask underlying product weaknesses if the cars aren’t genuinely compelling.
NIO E.T.9
"He was the head of the E.T.9 program... We'll talk about the Neo E.T.9 later... And he bought himself an E.T.9"
The NIO E.T.9 is NIO’s big, top-tier electric car. In EV discussions, it’s treated like a showcase model—something the company uses to prove it can build a premium vehicle.
NIO E.T.9 is a flagship electric sedan from NIO, a major Chinese EV maker. It’s notable because NIO positions its higher-end models around premium comfort and advanced tech, and the E.T.9 is often discussed as a “halo” product for the brand.
Tesla
"And he saw so many Tesla's... asking people there, like, why are you buying Tesla?... Tesla's still going to be around in five years"
Tesla is the best-known EV company, and people often use it as the “safe choice.” In this story, buyers are choosing Tesla because they believe the company will still be around and supported in the future.
Tesla is the benchmark EV brand in many markets, and the episode uses it as a reference point for buyer confidence. The discussion highlights a common rationale: even if many Chinese EV brands are growing fast, Tesla is perceived as more likely to still be around in the medium term.
brand longevity / will the company still be around
"...a lot of them basically said, for one, I think Tesla's still going to be around in five years... it's not hard to believe that a lot of them aren't going to last another two or three years."
When lots of new EV brands are competing, buyers worry about whether the company will still exist later. If it doesn’t, it can be harder to get repairs, parts, and software support.
In fast-moving EV markets, “brand longevity” matters because it affects long-term support like software updates, service, parts availability, and warranty fulfillment. The episode frames buyer behavior as a bet on which companies can survive intense competition over the next few years.
value proposition
"...why would I spend 20 percent more on a Model 3 when I can get this Chinese car that has more features, more range..."
A value proposition is the overall “what you get for what you pay” argument—features, range, software, and experience relative to price. The segment contrasts Tesla’s perceived quality with Chinese EVs offering more features and range for less money.
highly considered
"But right now, I would say Tesla is still pretty highly considered... Then the Model 3 and the Model Y are still very, very high up in considering..."
“Highly considered” refers to how often a vehicle shows up on shoppers’ shortlists during the buying process. It’s a measure of brand strength and perceived value, not just sales volume.
Tesla Model S
"...considering S and X or no, not players at all. Right."
The Tesla Model S is Tesla’s more upscale electric sedan. The hosts are basically saying it’s not the main focus for most buyers in the categories they’re talking about.
The Tesla Model S is Tesla’s larger, more premium electric sedan. In this segment, it’s mentioned as not being a major player compared with Model 3/Model Y in the mainstream categories being discussed.
Tesla Model X
"...considering S and X or no, not players at all. Right."
The Tesla Model X is Tesla’s bigger electric SUV. In this conversation, it’s mentioned as not being as important to most shoppers as the Model 3 and Model Y.
The Tesla Model X is Tesla’s larger electric SUV. The hosts group it with Model S as less relevant to the mainstream “top consideration” discussion compared with Model 3 and Model Y.
pure EV perspective
"Or if you wanted to say pure from a pure EV perspective, who are the best brands currently?"
“Pure EV” means a car that’s fully electric and doesn’t use gas or a hybrid system. The speaker is saying that if you only count fully electric cars, the comparison changes.
“Pure EV” means vehicles that run only on electricity from a battery, not hybrids or hydrogen. The speaker contrasts this with the broader NEV definition that can include multiple powertrain types.
market share growing exponentially
"And their market share, as we've seen in places like the UK, is growing exponentially, like Mexico. You guys have done a great documentary about the number of Chinese cars in Mexico"
“Exponential” here means growth that speeds up over time, not just steady increases. The host is saying Chinese EV brands can start small, then grow really fast once more people can buy them.
“Exponential” market-share growth describes a rapid acceleration in sales relative to the overall market, often seen when a new set of products suddenly becomes widely available. The host uses examples like the UK and Mexico to argue that Chinese EV adoption can accelerate quickly once it reaches a tipping point.
Geely Group
"Besides BYD, I would say Geely, Geely Group in general. So Geely Group, as you well know, is expansive. So Geely's kind of approach to things is, well, if we want to do something, we'll just buy the company."
Geely Group is a big Chinese company that owns several car brands. The host says they often buy other companies to get new tech faster, like better in-car screens and software.
Geely Group is a Chinese automotive conglomerate that owns multiple brands and invests across technology. The host describes Geely’s strategy as buying companies to accelerate capabilities—like infotainment—rather than building everything from scratch.
buy the company strategy
"So Geely's kind of approach to things is, well, if we want to do something, we'll just buy the company. So, you know, Geely's have satellite connection phones in them"
The “buy the company” approach is an acquisition-led strategy: instead of developing every capability internally, a group purchases existing firms to gain technology, talent, and products quickly. In this segment, it’s used to explain how Geely can move faster on areas like infotainment and user interface design.
in-car infotainment
"You know, they wanted to make better in-car infotainment. So they bought a phone company and just had them design their UI and UX and stuff."
In-car infotainment is the car’s touchscreen and software for things like music, maps, and phone features. The host is saying Geely tried to make that experience better by using outside tech expertise.
In-car infotainment is the vehicle’s integrated system for media, navigation, connectivity, and the user interface (screens, menus, and controls). The host ties Geely’s acquisitions to improving infotainment by having a phone company help design the UI/UX.
Lotus
"So they've obviously got everything from Volvo and Lotus to Geely, the brand itself, to Zeekr, which is, I would say, all of the Geely Group."
Lotus is a car brand that’s known for making sporty cars and focusing on engineering. The host brings it up to show Geely owns brands with different strengths, not just one type of car.
Lotus is a British sports-car and engineering brand known for lightweight design and performance development. In this segment, Lotus is mentioned as part of Geely Group’s portfolio, reinforcing the idea that Geely can draw on performance and engineering expertise.
Volvo
"So they've obviously got everything from Volvo and Lotus to Geely, the brand itself, to Zeekr, which is, I would say, all of the Geely Group."
Volvo is a famous car brand from Sweden. The host mentions it to show that Geely owns more than just Chinese brands—it also has well-known international ones.
Volvo is a well-known Swedish automaker that Geely owns as part of its broader group. Mentioning Volvo helps illustrate Geely’s reach into established global brands and engineering know-how.
Zeekr
"The one I am bullish on is Zeekr. I have not driven a Zeekr that I didn't think was a pretty darn competitive or maybe the best car in its class."
Zeekr is a Chinese EV brand under the Geely umbrella, positioned as a more premium, tech-forward alternative within the group. The host says they’re bullish on Zeekr specifically and highlights that their driving experience has been consistently competitive.
Nio 9X
"we reviewed the 9X, which was at CES. Boy, howdy, what a car. Looks like a Cullinan, you know, has a suspension tuning..."
The host refers to Nio’s CES-reviewed vehicle called the 9X, describing it as having a suspension tuning and overall feel that can compete with premium German brands. The discussion frames it as a tech-forward EV with standout interior infotainment and materials.
Rolls-Royce Cullinan
"Looks like a Cullinan, you know, has a suspension tuning that I would put up against..."
They’re comparing the car’s look to the Rolls-Royce Cullinan. The point is that it has that big, ultra-luxury SUV vibe.
The host compares the Nio 9X’s styling to the Rolls-Royce Cullinan, a luxury SUV known for its imposing presence and upscale design language. This is a visual/positioning comparison, not a technical one.
Mercedes-Benz
"has a suspension tuning that I would put up against something from a Mercedes Benz or an Audi or something."
Mercedes-Benz is being used as the “premium standard.” The host is saying the suspension and overall driving feel are comparable to what you’d expect from Mercedes.
Mercedes-Benz is used here as a benchmark for ride quality and overall premium engineering. The host claims the suspension tuning and general feel can stand up to what you’d expect from Mercedes-Benz.
X9 Xpong
"So Wei Xiao Li, Wei Xiao Li means Nio, which is Wei Lai, and then Xiao Peng, which is X-Pong, and then Li Auto, right? Those three, I also think, are making impressive products."
“X9” here is connected to Xpeng, which is a company that makes electric cars. The podcast is grouping it with other EV makers and saying they’re producing impressive vehicles. The discussion is more about the company’s presence than about one specific feature.
In the podcast context, “X9” refers to the Xpeng (XPeng) brand’s model naming, discussed alongside NIO and Li Auto as major Chinese EV makers. It’s brought up as part of a group of companies the speaker considers impressive and capable of producing competitive products. The key point here is brand/model recognition within the EV landscape rather than specific technical specs.
technological tour de force
"I gave it an award in our Wheelies Award video, was the Nio 89, which was a, as I call it, as a technological tour, like it's a technological tour de force, it's a warning shot across the bow..."
This phrase means “a big impressive tech achievement.” The host is saying the Nio 89 is meant to show off what the company can do technically.
“Technological tour de force” is a phrase used to describe a product that demonstrates impressive engineering and advanced features. In this context, it frames the Nio 89 as a showcase of multiple cutting-edge systems working together.
fully active hydraulic suspension
"Because it's got fully active hydraulic suspension, like you find in the most high end, like Porsche, Panameras and stuff."
This is a suspension system that can actively change how the car rides. Instead of just soaking up bumps passively, it uses controls to keep the car more stable and comfortable.
Fully active hydraulic suspension uses electronically controlled hydraulic actuators to adjust the suspension in real time, rather than relying only on passive springs and dampers. This can improve ride comfort and handling simultaneously, especially on uneven roads or during dynamic driving.
Porsche Panamera
"like you find in the most high end, like Porsche, Panameras and stuff."
They’re using the Porsche Panamera as an example of a luxury car with advanced suspension. The point is that the Nio’s suspension tech is in that same high-end class.
The host cites the Porsche Panamera as an example of a high-end car that uses advanced suspension technology. The comparison is meant to communicate that the Nio’s suspension tech is “top tier,” similar to what you’d find on a luxury Porsche.
steer by wire
"It has a steer by wire, like a Cybertruck."
Steer-by-wire means the steering wheel isn’t directly connected to the wheels with a traditional mechanical linkage. The car uses sensors and electronics to turn the wheels based on what you command.
Steer-by-wire replaces the mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels with electronic controls. Instead of a direct linkage, sensors and actuators coordinate steering input, which can enable features like variable steering ratios and potentially improved packaging.
Tesla Cybertruck
"It has a steer by wire, like a Cybertruck."
They’re comparing the steering tech to Tesla’s Cybertruck. The idea is that both cars use electronic steering control instead of a traditional direct mechanical connection.
The host compares the Nio’s steer-by-wire system to Tesla’s Cybertruck, which is known for using electronic steering control rather than a conventional mechanical setup. This is a technology reference to help listeners visualize what steer-by-wire feels like conceptually.
Xiaomi SU7
"“Xiaomi SU7, which I know you guys drove in China… Jonathan is currently headed to Beijing to drive the updated version of that car.”"
Xiaomi is a tech company, and the SU7 is its electric car. The host is talking about trying the car and how an updated version is coming.
The Xiaomi SU7 is a Chinese electric sedan from the tech company Xiaomi, positioned as a direct challenger to established EVs. The host mentions it as something they drove in China and that an updated version is being prepared for review.
big, heavy EV
"“It's fun to drive for a big, heavy EV, right? It's not a Cayman.”"
Electric cars usually weigh more because of the battery. The host is saying this one still drives in a fun way even though it’s heavy.
EVs often come with heavy battery packs, which can affect handling feel—especially turn-in and how the car responds to steering inputs. The host is pointing out that even with that typical EV weight, the P7 still feels engaging to drive.
Porsche Cayman
"“It's fun to drive for a big, heavy EV, right? It's not a Cayman.”"
The Porsche Cayman is a sports car known for feeling sharp and agile. The host is saying the EV can be fun, but it won’t drive like a true sports car.
The Porsche Cayman is a sports car benchmark for balance, steering feel, and “driver’s car” handling. By saying the EV isn’t a Cayman, the host is tempering expectations: it may be fun, but it won’t match a purpose-built lightweight sports car’s dynamics.
IAA
"“They showed X-Pong P7 at IAA. I think I was there.”"
IAA is a big car show where companies bring out new cars to show the public. The host is saying the XPeng P7 was displayed there.
IAA is a major international auto show where manufacturers reveal new vehicles and technologies. Mentioning that XPeng P7 was shown at IAA frames it as a recent, publicly showcased model rather than a private or early prototype.
Lyoto
"[2371.1s] And then interesting that you mentioned the three sort of startup-y ones, [2374.9s] Neo, X-Pong, and Lyoto because I was super impressed with Lyoto."
“Lyoto” sounds like it’s meant to be Li Auto, a Chinese electric-car company. The host is saying they were really impressed with one of its cars.
“Lyoto” is likely a transcription error for Li Auto (Li Auto is a Chinese EV maker). The host says they were “super impressed” with a specific Li Auto model, indicating this brand is central to their impressions of Chinese EVs.
17-inch screens
"[2384.5s] I was watching a movie when I could drive. [2386.2s] The two big 17-inch screens or whatever. [2389.7s] So that one, X-Pong and Neo have been, I think,"
They’re talking about very large screens inside the car—around 17 inches. The point is that some EVs are designed so most of the experience happens through big displays.
Large “17-inch” class screens refer to the big infotainment and/or driver-display panels used in some modern EVs. The host uses this as an example of how Chinese EVs emphasize a screen-heavy cockpit experience, including features that can support media playback while driving (depending on region and vehicle software).
foreign outreach
"[2389.7s] So that one, X-Pong and Neo have been, I think, [2394.8s] the best at sort of foreign outreach to us. [2397.4s] We can't get BYD to pick up the phone."
“Foreign outreach” here means how effectively a brand engages with international media, partners, or customers outside its home market. The host contrasts brands that do well with outreach versus BYD, which they say they can’t get to respond—highlighting how visibility and communication can affect perception.
Neo
"But it's funny because as good as I hear... I've driven Neo and I've driven... I don't know if I can remember if I've driven X-Pong. ... If anybody out of China is like the Apple store or it's Neo."
“Neo” is actually NIO, a Chinese electric-car company. The host is saying NIO is doing a really polished job with its customer experience—almost like an Apple Store vibe.
“Neo” here refers to NIO, the Chinese EV maker known for premium features and a strong brand presence. The host compares NIO’s retail experience to Apple Stores, highlighting how NIO builds customer-facing spaces and community around its cars.
cash burn rate
"But then I also hear they're one of the ones people think might not be around. Because they're the cash burn rate and they're doing incredibly expensive things."
Cash burn rate means how fast a company is running through its money. If an EV company is spending a lot—like building charging or swapping networks—it can look risky if it isn’t earning enough yet.
Cash burn rate is how quickly a company is spending cash relative to how much it has coming in, often measured as monthly or quarterly net cash outflow. In EV startups, heavy spending on factories, R&D, and infrastructure (like battery swapping) can drive high burn rates, which can raise concerns about long-term survival.
battery swap system
"...they're one of the ones people think might not be around. Because they're the cash burn rate and they're doing incredibly expensive things. Like the battery swap system and the whole network."
A battery swap system lets you trade your low battery for a charged one at a station. It’s meant to be faster than charging, but it only works well if there are lots of swap stations and the batteries are set up to fit.
A battery swap system is an EV infrastructure approach where a driver exchanges a depleted battery for a fully charged one at a station, instead of waiting for charging. The idea can reduce downtime and standardize energy access, but it requires a large, coordinated network and compatible battery designs.
fixed costs
"And the Neo houses. Huge fixed costs."
Fixed costs are bills a company has to pay no matter how many cars it sells. If those costs are big, the company needs lots of sales to avoid losing money.
Fixed costs are expenses that don’t change much with how many cars you sell—think manufacturing overhead, staffing, and long-term commitments. When fixed costs are “huge,” companies need strong sales volume to spread those costs out, which becomes difficult during downturns or price wars.
cash infusion
"Because they need some cash infusion."
A cash infusion means a company gets extra money to stay afloat. It’s often needed when sales aren’t covering costs yet, or when the company is spending a lot to grow.
A “cash infusion” is additional funding injected into a company to keep operations going—often needed when margins shrink due to price cuts or when companies are investing heavily in new models and capacity. In fast-moving EV markets, cash can determine whether a brand can survive long enough to reach profitability.
price war
"But there was a whole discussion about the price war that's going on and been going on, right?"
A price war is when companies lower prices to try to sell more cars than everyone else. It can make it harder for some brands to stay profitable, especially if they’re still trying to grow.
A “price war” happens when automakers aggressively cut prices to win market share, often to keep factories running and sales volume up. In EV markets, it can quickly compress margins and force weaker companies to seek funding or exit.
cage match
"And it's like, it's sort of like a cage match."
“Cage match” just means the competition is really fierce. Companies are pushing hard against each other to stay in business.
“Cage match” is a metaphor for extremely intense competition where companies fight aggressively for survival and market share. In the context of Chinese EVs, it points to rapid escalation—price cuts, heavy marketing, and fast product cycles.
companies are eating each other
"Where companies are eating each other. I mean, we get..."
“Companies are eating each other” is a metaphor for intense competition and consolidation in the EV market. The episode uses it to frame why some EV/AI startups win attention briefly, then disappear as pricing pressure and scale advantages favor a smaller set of survivors.
GDU
"We gave GDU an award like two years ago. And in the time it took for us to say, hey, their AI system in their car seems really cool... and then by the time we were polishing the award, they announced they went out of business."
GDU is a company mentioned in the episode that made EV-related tech. The hosts say it got attention for its AI features, but then it shut down—showing how competitive and unstable the market can be.
GDU is referenced as a Chinese automotive tech company that received an award, then later went out of business. The discussion highlights how fast the EV/AI ecosystem can change when companies lose funding or strategic backing.
AI system
"And in the time it took for us to say, hey, their AI system in their car seems really cool. It's like an early AI assistant. And the fact that you can command the car from outside and open the doors and all stuff."
They’re talking about the car’s AI assistant—software that can understand commands and help control the car. In this case, it’s used for convenience features like remotely opening doors.
The “AI system” is described as an early AI assistant inside the car. The hosts also mention voice/command-style interaction that can trigger actions like opening doors from outside, which is a key differentiator in some connected-EV features.
Baidu
"And in between, they changed their name from GDU to GUA because Baidu backed out. Oh boy."
Baidu is a major Chinese tech company. The hosts say Baidu pulled support, and that change is tied to what happened to the EV/AI company they were talking about.
Baidu is mentioned as the tech partner that “backed out,” which the hosts connect to the company’s rebranding from GDU to GUA. In the EV context, this points to how Chinese automakers and tech firms often rely on large AI/platform providers.
three or five really strong Chinese companies
"Like I tell people, I think in 10 years, maybe less, you're going to end up with like three or five really strong Chinese companies that are like legit world-class,"
They’re predicting that only a few Chinese EV companies will end up dominating. The idea is that the market will thin out, and the strongest brands will survive long-term.
The hosts predict market consolidation into a small number of “really strong” Chinese EV companies. This is a common industry thesis: as technology and manufacturing scale matter, weaker players get absorbed or go out of business, leaving a handful of global-capable brands.
Mercedes-Benz Ag Mercedesbenz
"three or five really strong Chinese companies that are like legit world-class, legit, going up big toe-to-toe, VW, AG, Mercedes-Benz, GM. Like, yeah."
The Mercedes-Benz AMG GT is a sports car made for performance. It’s built to be fast and fun to drive, not just for commuting. The podcast mentions it while talking about major companies that make world-class cars.
The Mercedes-Benz AMG GT is a performance-focused sports car from Mercedes-AMG, built for strong acceleration and a driver-oriented feel. It’s often discussed as part of the broader conversation about serious performance brands and who can compete at the high end. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in a general lineup-style context about major automakers and their credibility in performance.
big press conferences, big press release events where they reveal the car and they always wait until then to reveal the price
"A cutthroat, we've got everything from these days, Chinese car companies and anyone operating in China, they have these big press conferences, big press release events where they reveal the car and they always wait until then to reveal the price."
Some EV companies show the car first and only announce the price later. The idea is to keep competitors from copying their pricing and to avoid surprises if costs or strategy change.
This describes a launch strategy where Chinese EV makers stage major reveal events and delay pricing announcements. The timing can be used to avoid being undercut, manage supply/cost uncertainty, and keep competitors from reacting too early.
NDA
"even though you sign a NDA where I'll be charged millions of dollars if I break the contract and talk about the space of the trunk, they won't tell me the price."
An NDA is a legal promise not to share certain information. In car launches, it’s used so journalists can’t leak details before the company is ready to announce them.
An NDA (non-disclosure agreement) is a legal contract that restricts people from sharing information publicly. In auto launches, NDAs are often used to control what journalists can report before a company’s official reveal—especially details like pricing or even specific specs.
X-Pone comes out with what was going to be their first higher end car, the G9
"So, for example, this has happened on multiple occasions where X-Pone comes out with what was going to be their first higher end car, the G9, which they compared to the Porsche Cayenne and everything, almost immediately after that came out, they got undermined by Li Auto with their L8 and L7."
The G9 is a more premium electric SUV from XPeng. The point here is that once XPeng announces a new “top” model, other companies quickly adjust their own offers to stay competitive.
The speaker is referring to XPeng’s G9, a higher-end SUV positioned as a premium alternative in the Chinese EV market. The context is competitive pricing and how quickly rivals respond after a major reveal.
Porsche Cayenne
"where X-Pone comes out with what was going to be their first higher end car, the G9, which they compared to the Porsche Cayenne and everything, almost immediately after that came out, they got undermined by Li Auto with their L8 and L7."
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV that many people see as a premium benchmark. Mentioning it means the Chinese EV is being marketed as “high-end,” not budget-focused.
The Porsche Cayenne is a well-known luxury performance SUV used as a benchmark for premium positioning. Comparing an upcoming Chinese EV to the Cayenne signals an attempt to compete in the same “upmarket” buyer mindset, not just on range or specs.
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