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 This Felt Off… Let's Talk About Chevy Dude’s Allegations

This Felt Off… Let's Talk About Chevy Dude’s Allegations

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About this episode

ChevyDude’s allegations take center stage as the hosts react to claims about legality and “waste of money,” then pivot into what brokers and concierge-style services actually do. They argue negotiation is doable without paying $1,000, and stress that the only number that matters is the verified out-the-door total. The conversation also covers financing leverage, trade-in math (CarMax/Carvana comps and Indiana credits), and how paperwork—like Vintel and arbitration guidelines—can shift outcomes.

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Car

Toyota Corolla

"...'m giving you a $300 lease payment on this Toyota Corolla. And with that is an exact then and make a model."

The Toyota Corolla is a small car meant for everyday driving, like commuting and errands. When someone talks about a lease payment for a Corolla, they’re usually referring to the monthly cost to rent the car for a set time. The exact year and trim matter because they change the price.

Car

Toyota RAV4

"...give you estimates, right? You're trying to buy a RAV4 right now. Getting a thousand dollars off is a go..."

The Toyota RAV4 is a small SUV designed for regular daily driving and light family use. When a deal includes “a thousand dollars off,” it usually means the seller is reducing the price of that specific RAV4. The final cost can depend on the exact model year and version.

Car

2026 Honda Civic SI sedan

"So first we gotta get the car and we gotta have a plan. [534.9s] Connor wanted a brand new 2026 Honda Civic SI sedan."

This is a more performance-focused version of the Honda Civic. Here, they’re talking about what kind of discount you might realistically get when buying a brand-new 2026 Civic Si.

Term

manual transmission

"Manual transmission, yes. We're saving the manuals. I hired the right employee that can drive a manual transmission in once one."

A manual transmission is the kind of car where you shift gears yourself. You use a clutch pedal and a stick to choose the gear, instead of the car shifting automatically.

Term

out the door price

"One, I'm going to get the out the door price with zero add-ins before we ever step foot on their lot."

The out-the-door price is the final total you’ll pay for the car. It includes the car price plus things like taxes and fees, so you can compare offers fairly.

Term

stock number

"Giving a stock number is one of the best ways to do it because it gives you a guarantee they're looking for the same vehicle. The last thing you want to do is have them look at something and it's the wrong vehicle."

A stock number is like a dealer’s ID tag for one exact car they have. If you use it, you’re much less likely to accidentally negotiate for the wrong vehicle.

Term

manual versus an automatic

"For example, he's looking for a manual versus an automatic. Imagine he finds a red one that is an automatic and then now you work all these numbers and it ends up being the wrong one."

Manual vs. automatic refers to the transmission type: a manual uses a clutch and gear changes by the driver, while an automatic shifts gears on its own. Mixing them up matters because it changes the vehicle’s driving feel and can also affect pricing and availability.

Term

add-on

"[936.6s] I'm just looking for what you guys will sell the car to [939.8s] without any add-on. [940.8s] You see, this isn't even like,"

“Add-ons” are extra extras the dealer tries to add to your deal. They can raise the total price, so asking for “without add-ons” is a way to keep the quote simple.

Term

fees

"[952.5s] actually I just want to know what the sales price is. [954.1s] This is interesting. [955.0s] Okay. [955.2s] And then just whatever fees are required. [959.4s] It looks like based off, I'm a reader,"

Here, “fees” means extra charges added to the deal besides the car price. They can change the final total, so it’s important to know which ones are included.

Term

Ohio dock fee

"[959.4s] It looks like based off, I'm a reader, [961.5s] so I've read your entire website. [962.7s] So it looks like the price that you guys got [964.9s] on your website includes your Ohio dock fee."

A “dock fee” is a shipping/handling charge tied to moving the car from where it arrives to the dealer. It’s often listed as a separate fee, so it matters whether the dealer includes it in the advertised price.

Term

MSRP

"So the vehicle price was $32,690. That's the MSRP of the vehicle. Their documentation and processing fee."

MSRP is the official sticker price for the car set by the manufacturer. It’s the starting point used to see if the dealer’s final price is higher because of extra fees or add-ons.

Term

documentation and processing fee

"Their documentation and processing fee. Why isn't he showing the sheet? He's breaking it down with a nice graphic."

This is a dealer-added charge for handling the paperwork and processing the sale. It’s one of the extra fees that can make the final price higher than the sticker price.

Term

Indiana sales tax

"Not outlandish, $398. Indiana sales tax was $2,316.16. And they had a government and license fee on there"

Sales tax is the government tax added to the car’s price. The amount depends on the state, and here they’re using Indiana’s tax to figure out the final total.

Term

trade in

"Sweet. Now, of course, we have a trade in."

A trade-in is when you use your current car’s value to help pay for the next car. The dealer may offer a number that changes the final price you pay.

Brand

Jeff Weiler, Honda

"So if I just go to Jeff Weiler, Honda, in Ohio, [1270.9s] type in Honda Civic SI. [1273.5s] I just think it's interesting that he got the sheet."

Jeff Weiler Honda is the name of a specific Honda dealership. The host is using it to look up how that store advertises the car’s price.

Term

pre-approved

"And getting pre-approved, that means he didn't negotiate anything, which means he just agreed to whatever price they said at the first place"

Pre-approved means a bank or lender already said, “Yes, we’ll finance you,” before you start shopping. It can make the buying process feel more set, so there’s less flexibility to negotiate the final deal.

Term

shipping covered

"So, and again, that's a really aggressive deal. $2,000 plus 70% of shipping covered, 1250 off a Civic SI."

Shipping covered means the cost to move the car to the buyer is being paid by the seller or deal. It’s like an extra discount because you’re not paying that transportation fee yourself.

Concept

outside dealer financing

"So most dealerships today, especially out of state, won't accept outside dealer financing. We knew that going in, so we did two things."

“Outside dealer financing” refers to using a loan from a lender other than the dealership’s preferred or in-house financing channels. Some dealerships—especially when the buyer is out of state—may be reluctant to accept it, which can affect your negotiation leverage.

Company

Capital One

"We got pre-approved through Capital One and through a local bank so that we could compare what the rates is."

Capital One is a company that provides loans. Here, they’re being used as an example of a lender that can offer good car-loan terms through dealerships.

Concept

air dropping the trade

"So the next step is air dropping the trade and securing the car. Connor had a 2018 Audi S5 Sportback with 67,000 miles."

“Air dropping the trade” is a colloquial way of describing quickly finalizing the trade-in logistics—essentially getting the trade offer and next steps locked in before the deal drifts. In negotiation terms, it’s about controlling timing so the seller can’t change terms or stall. The segment pairs this with “securing the car,” implying a coordinated plan for both the trade and the purchase.

Car

2018 Audi S5 Sportback

"Connor had a 2018 Audi S5 Sportback with 67,000 miles."

This is an Audi S5, which is the sportier version of the regular S5/A5 line. The Sportback shape is like a hatchback, but it still looks sleek. They’re using it as an example of how they shop the trade-in offers.

Brand

CarMax

"Before we ever talked to the selling dealer about it, we did exactly what I always tell you to do. I get an appraisal at a store, which we use my store. We went to CarMax and then we went to Carvana."

CarMax is a company that buys used cars and sells them. People use it as one of the places to get a trade-in offer so they can compare prices. In this segment, it’s one of the stops they make to shop the best deal.

Term

trade and tax credit

"We also knew Indiana's trade and tax credit would add real money on top of whatever."

A trade and tax credit refers to money-related incentives tied to trading in a vehicle and/or receiving tax benefits from the state or local program. In practice, it can increase the effective value of your trade-in beyond the raw purchase offer. The host specifically calls out Indiana’s program as adding “real money” on top of the base trade value.

Concept

inbound

"I asked what it would take to secure the vehicle since it was still inbound."

“Inbound” just means the car is on the way and hasn’t arrived yet. It affects the negotiation because the deal is being set up before you can take delivery.

Company

Jeff Wilder of Coraline

"Kevin Adams at Jeff Wilder of Coraline, just outside Cincinnati, Ohio, held the car for us with no deposit."

This is the name of the dealership the host is talking about. They’re using it to explain how the dealer handled reserving a car before it arrived.

Person

Kevin Adams

"Kevin Adams at Jeff Wilder of Coraline, just outside Cincinnati, Ohio, held the car for us with no deposit."

Kevin Adams is the person at the dealership involved in holding the car. The host credits him with reserving it without asking for money up front.

Place

Coraline, Ohio

"Kevin Adams at Jeff Wilder of Coraline, just outside Cincinnati, Ohio, held the car for us with no deposit."

This is the area near Cincinnati, Ohio where the dealership is located. Dealer rules can differ depending on where you are.

Concept

deposit

"Kevin Adams at Jeff Wilder of Coraline, just outside Cincinnati, Ohio, held the car for us with no deposit... Somebody holding a car without a deposit, there's a lot of things that can happen"

A deposit is money you put down to reserve the exact car. This segment highlights that they didn’t put any money down, so the dealer was holding it based on trust.

Term

trade assist

"And I can't see from that time, this is a big dealership. They have trade assist on there, which is obviously a thing you probably didn't wanna talk about because it makes it more complicated."

“Trade assist” is when a car dealer sweetens the deal on your old car. Instead of just giving you a straight trade-in price, they may add extra money or incentives, which can make it harder to see the real discount.

Term

SI

"They have an SI. Why didn't you go to the dealership right down the road?"

“SI” here sounds like a dealer shorthand related to inventory—basically whether the dealership has the exact car available. The host is saying you’d think someone would go to the closest dealer that already has it.

Term

VIM

"I sent them the VIM and the mileage for a sun and scene appraisal at 6.05 PM."

VIM is a document dealers use that lists key details about the car so they can price it. It’s part of the paperwork behind trade-in or appraisal offers.

Term

sun and scene appraisal

"I sent them the VIM and the mileage for a sun and scene appraisal at 6.05 PM. At 6.11, they came back to us with $22,794."

This sounds like a quick visual check of the car—more about how it looks than a full inspection. That kind of appraisal can still affect what they offer you.

Concept

shop your trade before you walk in

"This is why you shop your trade before you walk in. And you never bring it up until the deal. So why did you shop your trade?"

It means you should get trade-in quotes ahead of time from different places. That way, the dealer can’t lowball you and you’ll know what a fair trade looks like.

Term

comps

"Here, Delivered, if that happened to us, we are now running more comps on your car. It's, there's no way that Carvana Carmax,"

“Comps” means using other similar cars’ prices as a reference. If the numbers don’t match closely, it can mean the offer is off by a lot.

Brand

Carvana

"It's, there's no way that Carvana Carmax, maybe something would happen with Carvana Carmax. Carvana Carmax isn't a perfect science."

Carvana is a company that sells used cars, mostly through an online process. They’re being used here as an example of how their pricing can sometimes be slightly off.

Term

Ventel

"So we got a different salesperson and then ran into something called Ventel [1902.3s] that they ran on his Audi. [1904.6s] So Ventel is a diagnosis skinning system [1907.5s] some dealers use to appraise trade-ins."

Ventel is a software tool some dealerships use to scan a car and generate a report. The idea is to see what the car’s computer is telling them before they decide what the trade-in is worth.

Term

check engine light

"No check engine light, no other dash lights, [1913.6s] emissions passed, but there was one active trouble code"

The check engine light is a warning on the dashboard. It usually comes on when the car’s computer finds a problem, but here the light stayed off even though there was still a stored error.

Term

emissions passed

"No check engine light, no other dash lights, [1913.6s] emissions passed, but there was one active trouble code"

“Emissions passed” means the car tested clean enough to meet the rules for pollution. Sometimes a car can pass the test but still have an error code if the problem is intermittent.

Term

active trouble code

"emissions passed, but there was one active trouble code [1916.4s] that was kind of sitting in the background,"

A trouble code is like an error message stored by the car’s computer. “Active” means the computer thinks the problem is still there or was recently detected, even if the dashboard light isn’t lit.

Term

P420

"a P420 catalyst system below efficiency threshold."

P420 is a check-engine code. It usually means the car thinks the catalytic converter isn’t cleaning the exhaust properly.

Term

catalyst system below efficiency threshold

"a P420 catalyst system below efficiency threshold."

It’s an emissions warning. It means the car’s exhaust-cleaning system isn’t working as well as it should, based on the car’s own test numbers.

Term

exception summary on line five

"Right there is an exception summary on line five."

An “exception summary” is a section of a report that flags issues that don’t fit the normal acceptance criteria or that require special handling. “Line five” suggests the report is structured so specific risk items can be referenced precisely during negotiation or dispute resolution.

Concept

arbitration risk

"it says there is one issue that may present arbitration risk as defined in the 2024 in triple A guideline."

This means there’s a chance the buyer and seller could end up in a formal dispute over the car’s condition or what it should cost to fix.

Company

AAA

"as defined in the 2024 in triple A guideline."

AAA is a big auto organization in the U.S. They publish rules and guidelines that people use when evaluating car problems and handling disputes.

Term

Cadillac converters

"Problem two is the Cadillac converters are not covered under arbitration under in triple A guidelines. They're just not in there."

Catalytic converters are parts that clean up exhaust before it leaves the car. The host is saying these specific Cadillac converter claims aren’t covered by the arbitration rules they’re using.

Term

scan tool

"Problem three is if you look at the report, actually says about the code, the vehicle does not indicate a reset by scan tool or battery disconnect in the last 15 warmups."

A scan tool is a gadget that plugs into a car and reads the computer’s error codes. It can also show whether the car’s emissions system was reset or cleared recently.

Term

battery disconnect

"the vehicle does not indicate a reset by scan tool or battery disconnect in the last 15 warmups."

Disconnecting the battery can reset the car’s computer. That can erase error codes, which is why people look for it when interpreting emissions reports.

Term

warmups

"in the last 15 warmups. The vehicle detected a self-cleared emissions related issue 119 miles ago"

“Warmups” means how many times the engine has fully warmed up after starting cold. Emissions checks often only update after a few of these cycles.

Term

emissions related issue

"The vehicle detected a self-cleared emissions related issue 119 miles ago, which happens to be when probably Connor left here. The clear emissions related issues have not returned."

An emissions-related issue is an error the car’s pollution-control system notices. Sometimes the car can detect it and then clear it by itself, which changes what the report shows.

Company

delivered

"Mike, I don't know if you don't understand this, but here delivered, if something goes wrong, like I have an entire team dedicated just to making sure the paperwork goes smoothly."

“Delivered” sounds like the company/service helping with buying a car. The host is saying they have people focused on the paperwork so things don’t derail.

Term

trade value

"Now we're at $22,865 in total trade value. [2227.9s] We came out ahead of Carvana by nearly $3,000."

Trade value is how much the dealer says your current car is worth if you swap it in. The total deal depends on both the new car price and what they give you for your trade.

Topic

negotiating with a dealership vs broker handling

"No broker handled that, Connor handled it [2233.9s] with the right information in real time. [2237.0s] Yeah, I'm not a broker,"

They’re talking about who does the negotiating—either a broker or the buyer negotiating directly with the dealer. The idea is that the right info and timing can change the final price.

Concept

low inventory intentionally

"On a car, Honda is managing in low inventory intentionally. [2250.2s] MSRP is a legitimate deal. [2252.0s] These are selling in single digit days in the market."

This means there aren’t many cars available. When cars are scarce, dealers often have less reason to discount the price.

Term

out-the-door breakdown

"“Here's how the out-the-door breakdown. Sales tax under $800. DMV and registration fee was $98. Dealer fee of $398.”"

“Out-the-door” is the full amount you end up paying to buy the car. It includes taxes and fees, not just the advertised price, and the breakdown shows where that total comes from.

Car

Audi S5 Sportback

"“We were originally quoted Audi's age. The S5 Sportback is a performance car with miles on it.”"

The Audi S5 Sportback is a sportier Audi with a hatchback-style shape (the rear is more like a liftback than a sedan). The host is talking about it as a performance car, and that it already has miles, which affects what a fair price should be.

Term

out the door number

"Get the out the door number before you go. Not the sticker, not the payment, the total number you're writing a check for."

“Out the door” is the final total you’ll actually pay when you sign and drive away. It includes the stuff people often forget—taxes and fees—so it’s the real number to compare.

Term

auto loan rates

"What? You're right before you run a number. A lot of franchise dealers work with Capital One, get there first, focus on the bottom line. ... Auto loan rates are going as low as 4.19 for 36 months,"

An auto loan rate is the interest rate you pay when you borrow money to buy the car. A higher rate means you’ll pay more overall, even if the car price looks good.

Brand

PenFed credit union

"Like right now, let's just go look at PenFed credit union right here. Auto loan rates are going as low as 4.19 for 36 months,"

PenFed credit union is a place that offers car loans. They’re used here as an example of what interest rates might be available if you shop around.

Term

36 months

"Like right now, let's just go look at PenFed credit union right here. Auto loan rates are going as low as 4.19 for 36 months,"

“36 months” means the loan is set up to be paid back over three years. The length of the loan affects both your monthly payment and how much interest you pay overall.

Term

Vintel report

"But the paperwork actually says, [2749.6s] the Vintel report costs Connor $2,800 on his trade-in [2753.1s] until we read it."

A “Vintel report” is a document that helps decide what your car is worth for a trade-in. If the report finds problems or details that matter, it can lower (or sometimes change) the offer you get.

Term

arbitration guideline

"The code was self-cleared. [2755.3s] The arbitration guideline was cited was the wrong year. [2758.2s] Catalytic."

An “arbitration guideline” is like an official rulebook used to settle a disagreement. If someone cites the wrong version (like the wrong year), the outcome can change.

Term

catalytic converter

"[2758.2s] Catalytic. [2758.6s] Is that something that just a everyday consumer ... [2765.8s] with your catalytic converter?"

A catalytic converter is part of the exhaust system that helps reduce pollution. If there’s a problem with it, it can affect how a car is evaluated or what repairs/coverage are expected.

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