Time to Buy a Cheap Supercar, Will Power In & Out - Shift and Steer EP534

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Matt?

I don't know if you heard, but recordings in progress, that means that everything's

on the record from here forward because this is Shifton Stair.

Welcome to the party, pals.

Hello.

How are you, man?

Oh, good.

We're down a man again.

Again.

Again, we're down a man.

Down a man.

So, let's see.

Let's check in.

Brad?

You're supposed to say your name, man.

Yeah, I'm not.

Hello.

I'm here.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, who's that leave out?

Oh, Aaron.

We're missing Aaron.

He's running Aaron's for his dad.

He's running Aaron's.

Is it AAR?

Yeah.

He's running Aaron's.

Okay.

So, how's it going?

Do you have a good Labor Day holiday?

Yeah, it was pretty low-key, hung out in the area and cleaned some stuff and sold

some junk we didn't need around here and just kind of just used it as time to get stuff done

that we didn't have time to get done.

I slept.

Yeah.

We didn't like to go out and do fun stuff, other than like a happy hour or something

like that.

I didn't even do a happy hour.

I had a cocktail or two, but I'm telling you, I just don't know what it was.

I was wore out.

I just said, I'm just sitting around.

I didn't even sit around by my pool, which is something I probably should have done,

but I just sat around and watched TV.

I watched Drag Racing and IndyCar and just kind of watched David Freiberger at the U.S.

Nationals of Drag Racing and stuff like that.

Okay.

Well, then speaking of Drag Racing, what's, tell us about Tony Stewart.

Tony Stewart, he's a NASCAR racer.

He's also raced Indy cars and every kind of dirt track car you can think of.

And I think he has what, three championships, championships in Formula One.

Okay.

I'm exaggerating.

Maybe he's still working on that.

But this guy can drive anything with wheels.

I think the only thing in America that he hasn't really jumped into yet is off-road

trucks or something like that and won a championship, but everything else he has.

And now he can add, to his accolades, Tony Stewart won the regular season championship

for top fuel in the NHRA series.

Matt, I see that look on your face.

What's a regular season championship?

Yeah.

I don't know.

They used to call it, what's NASCAR call it?

When they get to that certain point and they restart everything and the guys go

into the, you know, I always call it post-season, you know, but it's like, they go into the,

well, NHRA started doing that where they get to a certain point in the season and everything,

the six races after the U.S. Nationals are the race for the championship.

So I guess now they have a regular season champion for each class and then a race

for the champion champion.

I guess they're doing that because if you do really well throughout the season

and you accumulate enough points, you can secure a championship without even

finishing the last couple of races.

In IndyCar, Alex Palo.

I was just going to say, yeah, he got the championship like two or three races ago.

You know, so by the way, when he won that, he didn't win that race.

So but he won the championship.

So there was two people celebrating the race winner and him is the championship

winner. Yeah. Then they finished the last couple of races and.

But if you're really good, you're really good, right?

I mean, if your team is good, your car is good, you're a good driver.

Then why should you have to restart?

Well, look, I'm actually I think it's great.

I think I think Tony Stewart went into this.

You know, I spoke to him a little bit.

I think it's Seema last year.

I was sitting around at a table during the Seema show.

He came in to one of the booths, Magnaflow booths, take a little break.

I was there with Goldberg.

We were talking a little bit about it and he was just like.

He was just like watching drag racing and watching Leah and his first glimpse of it.

He's like, there's no way.

He's like, this stuff is nuts.

He's like, I don't think he told me stuff.

But this is this is nutty stuff, right?

Like it's like getting shot out of a gun and you're the bullet.

And and I don't know.

He just, I know, then he said, hey, my wife's having a baby.

I might as well jump in the car and give it a roll, you know, and see how it goes.

And it went very well for him.

I guess I guess what this season championship does, you know, we're kind of,

you know, making fun of it.

But it keeps the viewers involved because, you know, if you're a fan

and all of a sudden we're six races to go and somebody's wiped out,

they're like, I don't even have a chance.

Now, because they get bonus points and things like that,

someone in pro stock, like, for instance, Erica Enders

won the U.S. Nationals.

Well, it catapulted her from being not even in the running to now

she's in the sixth place going into the finals.

What was six races to go?

You could theoretically win, you know?

So yeah, I think it opens the door for

for more, I'm not saying more activation, but there's more there for the sponsors as well.

So the sponsors don't if a sponsor pays for the season

and you're kind of out of the running after the first handful of races,

then they're like, now we're just paying for the rest of it.

It allows them to the drivers, the teams, the sponsors,

even the fans to kind of root for another thing.

Yeah.

Anyway, I think it's great.

Get some revved up, so to say.

Yeah, you know, but I think it's great.

I think I think Tony did well.

I, you know, I think some people were hesitant when he was getting into drag racing.

But really, I think it brought new eyeballs and stuff to the sport.

Oh, absolutely.

I think he's doing more for that sport than than what's been out there for some time now.

You know, and I think he's doing it in a lot of ways, too, Matt.

He is also, you know, a good, not just a good spokesperson

and a good person to have involved, but he has been very active on the side of saying,

hey, we need to change some things up.

We need to do this.

We need to do that.

And that's really cool.

He's he's very vocal in that.

And, you know, it's it's cool to sit down and talk to him about that kind of stuff.

Yeah. But it's good. It's exciting.

Now, when guys go round and round, they call it what, Indy car?

Well, they only think sometimes.

That's probably I mean, they only do that sometimes.

But the road courses are actually, in my opinion, some of the more fun ones to watch.

Right. No, I agree.

Except for Indy 500, but Indy car.

So Alex Palau wins the championship.

I think it says fourth championship now.

And how old is Alex?

Twenty nine. Yeah.

Something like that.

Right. He's. Yes.

Pretty young.

So what they're doing, I know where you're leading with this.

They're going to take Alex and put him.

They're going to make him the four time champion.

Now he's not allowed to compete anymore.

He can race, but he's not allowed to go for points.

He's just out there for fun.

He's well, I think there's one race left.

I think that they just do it.

I don't remember.

No, I mean, throughout his career, he can't accumulate any more points.

Well, he was close to getting the most races in a season.

And one, wasn't it just one race?

Yeah, but he didn't get it.

So now he's got to start all over from the beginning next season.

Well, it gives him a goal.

There you go.

I mean, if he'd achieved it, you know, what the heck?

But let's talk about what else is going on in Indy car.

Indy car.

So they've been talking for a while now about

Will Power, who's been with Penske, I believe, for quite some time,

is not staying with Penske.

I don't know whose decision that was.

But 17 seasons with Penske.

That's a long time.

Yeah, that's a long that's a long run there.

For a minute, there was talk about moving over to Ray Hall team.

Guess that didn't happen.

It was just announced this morning that he's moving to Andretti Global.

And that's probably because that seat opened up at Andretti

because they had a driver moving over to the Formula One team.

And they've got a lot of money.

Well, of course, that too.

I'm sure it also came down to who's who's going to pay.

Right. He's going to pay Will Power.

But I'm glad Will Power is staying with it.

And he there's there's a lot more meat on that bone.

I think he's a great he's a great driver.

And he's he's got a lot more there, for sure.

I mean, to to Indy car championships.

But I think he's he has the ability to get two more, you know,

so it's definitely maybe when when is it?

When is it enough?

Because he's he's 44, right?

I mean, Scott Dixon's 45.

And I don't think he's changing anytime soon.

He's still as fast as can be.

It's never enough, Matt.

You know, it's funny.

It's like in my 20s, I would read these statistics going

44 years old, how can this guy keep racing?

How does he even get out of his wheelchair to get to the car?

And now that 44 is coming gone a long time ago for me.

I'm like, I it's OK.

Like things will slow down a little bit.

Well, you know, slower to heal.

I'm always sore, tired, fat, but but from that, you know,

if I was, you know, if I was determined and maybe paid a few

million dollars a year, I could think I could stay in my mind.

Heck yeah. I mean, I mean, my my voice is even getting ready to retire.

You know, I mean, that's how bad it's getting.

So yeah, I my voice gets out of bed after I do in the morning some days.

So that's not good for a podcaster.

But yeah, so that was interesting.

It happened quite fast, you know, they announced it.

And the next day they announced the the re-up with with Andretti.

But yeah, interesting, you know,

the whole the whole situation with

with with the chairman there, you know, with yeah, Penske Penske

and the captain, the captain, the chair, you know, I.

The one thing that is kind of disappointing is

Simon Pajano is still unable to come back as a driver.

The accident that he was in rattled his his brain a bit.

And he he he found a job and he's doing great

at the GM testing facility for for motor sports.

Um, which is which is great.

They needed somebody to get into the simulators and he needed a way

to physically exercise like his doctors like you you shouldn't get in the car.

It's too dangerous.

But if you're in the simulator and you're actually getting thrown around

a little bit kind of jostled a little bit, that is part of the healing process.

And I don't fully explain it because it seems like all you're doing is is

contributing to the, you know, any swelling.

But they were explaining that that's actually good for him.

But without having the risk of crashing and he just he needs to be

in that environment.

He's just been a little simulator.

He's such a nice guy.

Yeah. And those simulators, they put that resistance on the steering wheel

so it feels like you're really coming into a turn or out of a turn.

And then he's in the chair that moves around.

So it does physically, you know, rattle his head in a helmet.

And then you also it's that eye hand coordination, your brain,

you're exercising your brain to go, Oh, I've got to do this.

I've got to react.

I've, you know, and it's been good for him.

And he seems to be enjoying it.

And the the there was a article written, I'm not sure where,

probably race or magazine that were talking to the GM team as well

who runs it going.

We actually needed somebody with this experience.

We don't get a lot of the actual drivers to become development

like engineers here.

We use test drivers.

And then the drivers, of course, are racing full time is.

But now that we have a driver's like he's capable of doing things

that nobody else has been capable of doing because he's got the real

world feedback.

He can provide that feedback to the simulator and they're getting more data.

Than ever.

And he's just methodical and he always has been like when they think

he's tired, he's like, no, let's go again.

Let's go again.

Like he just keeps doing it.

I I honestly see from what I know about Simon as well is Simon's

a smart guy and he's a savvy business guy as well.

And his dad was, I think his dad owned grocery stores.

And I could see him as a as a very competitive team owner one day

as well.

That'd be interesting, wouldn't it?

Yeah.

And a partner and a team, I can see that for sure.

Yeah.

No, that's very true.

It's it's interesting to see the careers, the highs, the lows,

the people that we get to meet and see how they're, you know,

the ebbs and flows there.

It's very interesting.

People always just think, oh, they become race car drivers and

then they retire.

Gosh, there's so much more to it than that.

I mean, they have to worry about the sponsorships and the

and the, you know, the teams and, you know, everything that goes

with it.

You know, I've been monitoring car week.

I spoke with Dario Frankeity for a while as brother Marino,

Jensen Button and, you know, former race car drivers

that seem as busy now, if not busier during the racing season.

I mean, Dario's basically got a full-time job at Gordon Murray

Automotive.

You know, Jensen's got his hands full with a number of

things, including the Radford car company, the coach built

company that he's working on with Ant.

Marino is, I think he's the test driver or engineer driver

for Singer.

So he's, it's funny, the two brothers, like one of them is

basically full-time at Gordon Murray.

The other one's at Singer.

Like they could be any happier, right?

Like think about all the cool cars that we like really

want to go see up at Monterey or at a Cars and Coffee.

If you get a GMA car, like a T-50 showing up or a

Singer showing up at Cars and Coffee, like those are the

cool, everyone's like those are the cars I want to drive.

Well, the Frankini brothers are driving those cars.

Yeah, at will.

Yeah.

Yeah, hey, I'm going to take it.

Getting paid.

Exactly.

Getting paid to do it.

That's a good point.

So gosh, yeah, that won't be us, Matt.

We won't be us to do that, unfortunately.

No, I'm certainly not going to get paid to do it.

However, I'm going to be heading out soon to drive

the Mustang GTD.

I drove it last week.

Did you?

Yes.

Yeah, you have a friend that got one.

And he gave me the keys to it for a week.

And then I woke up.

And it was a good dream, though, while I had it.

Well, I thought your friend might have gotten

delivering you guys went and drove it.

Yeah, no, I actually, I haven't talked to him

in about a month.

Yeah, because he got the car.

He doesn't want to touch me.

He doesn't want to talk to me.

No, he actually, you know, the life of a guy who gets a GTD,

he actually took his yacht from his house in Florida

up the East Coast and took a month-long trip

visiting all the cool ports along the East Coast,

you know, as a last summer trip.

And so he's been doing that.

So I got to get back with him and find out where that GTD is

so that we can take it for a little spin.

He's going to be exhausted when he gets back.

Just sitting on that yacht for a month.

Can you imagine having to sit around

and he, you know, maybe he'll have eaten and drank

so much that I'll have to drive

because he won't fit in the seat or something like that.

So he's going to come back fatter.

That's what you're saying.

Yeah, I'm saying that.

I'm saying it.

Yes, I'm going to got invited to head out to Palm Springs

for doing an event.

It's just, it's just kind of a, I drive out there,

drive the GTD for a bit.

Honestly, I don't know how long, I don't know where we're going.

Is it out at thermal or you don't know?

It's not on the track.

I asked them that ago.

Are we going on the track?

They said no, but they said there's plenty of opportunities

to, you know, flex its legs a little bit.

Wind it up.

Yeah, wind it up a little bit.

And then I drive home.

So it'll be a long day.

Palm Springs and back, but yeah.

Cool car looking forward to it.

Oh, that, yeah, that'd be fantastic.

Hey, we should, well, I guess we can wait a few more minutes

before we take a break.

Yeah, well, let's do this.

Before we take that break, Leno's law has been...

Let's talk about Leno's law before we take a break.

Yeah, it's been in the news for a bit.

And Leno's law was basically a bill that would have eliminated

smog checks in California for vehicles 35 years and older.

That would have been...

And it died at the assembly appropriations committee.

11 assembly members that voted, they're like,

nope, we're not having it.

It didn't really give much of a reason.

Maybe they tried tacking on a bunch of things

that didn't make sense anymore.

It had bipartisan support.

So I don't really understand why it was a big no.

Honestly, from what I can tell, it comes down to...

They thought there would be lost revenue

at the emissions testing places going...

Yeah, right.

What if these collector cars that are 35 years old

aren't doing emissions anymore?

And they're like, is it about clean air?

They're like, for how many there is?

And I'm not saying they're all dirty.

We're just saying it's more complex,

like getting them tested and bringing them in.

What's the overall impact?

And I think it just came down to more of a money.

They're saying if we force all of these cars

to go in and get emissions tested,

then we get the revenue, whether they pass or not.

As a matter of fact, if they don't pass,

they'll go and get retested, which is more revenue.

So I really just think it came down to money.

Why didn't they just say, okay, we'll pass it,

but cars with these tags are twice as much

or something like that,

or tag on what the revenue would have been, you know?

Or yeah, just add 35 bucks to the registration renewal.

Right.

I mean, I think everybody would have paid for that.

I think everybody with those cars goes, sure.

Yeah, I'll pay 35 bucks,

which I would have paid to have a small check.

So no big deal, you know?

Yeah.

It's unfortunate because they put a lot of effort into that.

And here's a question for you.

For most of these collector cars,

especially the ones that aren't driven,

if you have to fire that thing up,

take it to the emissions test facility,

put it on the rollers,

run it through the gamut and drive it home,

as opposed to not driving it at all,

wouldn't there be more emissions?

Of course there would be, yes.

But don't say that, Matt.

They'll say, yeah, let's make them where they can't drive them at all.

I mean, they've been wanting to do that for years.

I know.

It's just so funny.

Remember the crusher law when they, you know,

were paying people to bring their cars in to be crushed

and a lot of collector cars got crushed because of that, you know?

It was just ridiculous.

But I don't know.

Anyway, I forgot who originally wrote the bill or proposed it,

but it wasn't Leno.

It was just what they ended up calling it because he backed it.

And he's got a famous name.

Because if it was like Matty's law or Brad's law,

it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

No, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

Now shifting steer law, that might have worked.

Let's take a break.

Senator Shannon Grove,

a Republican representing Bakersfield,

who authored the bill.

Okay.

And then she wrote,

I'm deeply disappointed that once again,

the California state legislature did not prioritize

California's classic car culture

and the enthusiasts who were relying on this measure to pass.

Leno's law would have simply allowed

for a few additional classic car model years

to receive a full smog exemption,

a much needed update on an antiquated law.

But sadly today, California said no

to help him preserve those rolling pieces of history

and let down classic car clubs across this state

from low riders to hot waters to every American classic in between.

Leno's law is not just about the cars,

it's about the enthusiasts behind the wheel.

Did you leave out the sentence where she said,

you effing bastards?

I edited that out.

I did edit that out.

Well, that makes sense.

She's from Bakersfield,

which is a huge area for classic cars,

off-road trucks, low riders, everything.

She probably has a lot of constituents

that wanted to back her on that.

Well, I commend her for authoring the bill

and trying to get it done in the first place.

Yeah, definitely.

And everyone else who put so much into it,

at SEMA and Jay Leno and all those people,

because Jay traveled all over trying to get that thing passed.

Yeah, SEMA.

Well, maybe they could bring it back on another round

and utilize the shift and stair amendment

of just adding $35 to each registration.

Yeah, I'd be down for that.

Leno's law with the shift and stair amendment would be great.

But hey, right now, we're going to take a break,

because we're so tired.

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We're back, Jack.

We are back.

Man, we lost another one, Matt,

only this time it wasn't an individual.

Do you know what it was?

Do I? Auto-week.

We did lose auto-week.

Yeah. Did you read about that?

I did a bit about it, but...

Did you read about it in auto-week?

I didn't read about it in auto-week.

I mean...

What's interesting, there are websites there.

I went there to the store.

Yeah, the website's there, but...

Plus money to take it down.

There you go, yeah.

But you know what?

Let me look and see what the last update was on auto-week.

I mean, they just talked about the Audi Concept C.

They've got will powers.

Last published September 2nd.

They what?

Someone's doing it.

Maybe it's not closed the doors completely yet, but...

Anyway, auto-week is getting shut down,

but before they do, they reported about the Audi Concept C,

which was something I was going to bring up.

This is a concept car from Audi

that's a replacement for the Audi TT.

Maybe the R8 as well.

It's going to be fairly small,

and it's going to be based on the Porsche 718 EV platform.

So those of you that are not fans of EV,

you heard that right.

The car is going to be an EV.

I don't know about that.

Is this thing...

I'm not sure about the EV part.

Yeah, the EV part and the styling on this,

I'm looking at it and I'm saying, you know what?

This reminds me of a...

not a Speedster.

It's not a hatchback.

It's a small version of that new Jaguar concept.

That's exactly where I was going with it.

It's that with a sleeker roofline.

A little bit sleeker roofline.

This has a power retractable targa.

It's hard top.

I don't hate it.

It's kind of cool.

I don't know.

Something's just so big and bold.

It just looks like a futuristic kind of thing.

Something out of Iron Man or something.

Yeah, it's too sterile almost.

It looks like a piece of hospital equipment or something.

I think it's just the concept.

I was going to say, yeah, the concept can always change too.

The Boxster and Cayman are going to EV.

They're just going to keep, I believe,

some of the high-performance models,

the RS4, whatever it is.

I just don't know about those two going to EV.

The Boxster and the Cayman was meant to be the smaller,

more agile rear-mid engine, better weight.

Get it with a manual if you want and have a fun sports car.

And small and now you're going,

oh, we're going to make it heavier.

There's not going to be a manual transmission.

You're not going to hear the sound.

It's not going to be raw in any way.

There's no R version that's lightweight

because it's got a big battery.

It's just like, I don't know, I get it.

If you want to do the SUV, the new Cayenne EV,

it's going to be crazy fast and 1,000 horsepower

and decent range.

And I think it's fine.

But the Cayman, the Boxster, I'm not seeing it.

I don't know.

Again, we're seeing this up and down on EVs.

But that's our market.

In Europe, people love EVs so far.

So we've got to remember we're not the world.

A lot of those German cars are running around Europe and Asia.

But Europe loves EVs.

I'm not opposed to EV.

I drive an EV.

I drive a huge, ridiculous EV, my F-150.

But I just don't see a 918 or 718 Porsche being electric.

Oh, no.

I agree.

I'm with you on that.

It's just one of those things.

And then this Audi.

Do we need this little Audi to be electric?

Probably not.

Now, I also wonder, do they do this to offset

some of their emissions?

I mean, does that kind of...

I think they were just in on EV years ago.

And by the time you're doing all this work to build a car,

you're like, well, what do we do?

Do we scrap it?

Do we roll it out?

What do we do with the hundreds of millions of dollars

that have been invested in these EV platforms?

Is there any money to be made before they even decide

to backtrack on them?

I like that there's options.

And I understand that EV has some great performance

benefits.

I just don't know that I need it in the small sports car

when you can get it in something like the Cayenne.

Yeah.

No, I agree.

Make a super sedan or a super SUV.

It'll be interesting to see also what this car finally

blocks out the final design.

We're looking at the prototype and it looks so sterile

and so prototypy.

The interior looks very...

like mid-90s, some of the concept cars of the mid-90s

where they were real sterile, real blocky, real...

Yeah.

Let's see.

Did you hear that Jaguar Land Rover abruptly shut down

their entire company and production on Monday morning?

I heard that they did that but I didn't get into why they did it.

What happened?

Well, they had an IT cyber attack on Sunday.

Oh, yeah.

And they said it was, of course, on Sunday because

most of the people aren't there so they can really get in.

They say a lot of cyber attacks happen on Sundays.

But they also said it was especially hurting the company

because now I didn't understand this.

I looked into it a little bit but I guess in England,

they only put out so many registrations a month.

Did you know that?

So like if you want to buy a car when registrations run out,

you got to wait until the next month or something.

Well, it was right at the beginning of the month

when new registrations were made available

and lots of car sales happened.

So they weren't able to sell any cars

because they didn't have any of their equipment.

Every computer shut down.

Every employee told not to come in

and they literally shut the company down,

the entire business to mitigate damage and evaluate.

So pretty serious.

But if you're a cyber criminal,

why attack Jaguar Land Rover?

Who knows, man?

Maybe it's somebody that bought shorted the stock or something.

You never know what.

Or maybe they just saw an opportunity

and they did it because they can do it.

Right.

Like something happened or somebody brought up something

or somehow they figured something out.

The 15-year-old kid stumbled in the back door and went,

whoa, I can shut this place down

and never think of something like everything.

Yeah, so like let's do it because I can do it.

It's like the 15-year-old kid that,

as we're talking, my phone lights up and it says,

here's your password for your Coinbase account

to reset your pass or your code.

Don't share it with anyone.

What was the code again?

Yeah, what is the code again?

Yeah.

It's like you get those things and you always think,

okay, gosh, thankfully it came to me,

but then you think, wait a minute,

but what if they do get in?

Then they lock me out and take all my money.

Yeah.

Wouldn't get them very far, but at least, you know.

I was just staring at the stack of bills on my table here.

I was going to ask you to do me a favor

and just go ahead and pay these for me.

I thought you meant like a stack of bills, you know?

No, that's what I need.

I need that roll-up water cash.

You need the rolled-up water cash that's on my desk.

Yeah.

The, hey, is it time to just say I'm not buying a new car?

I'm just going to go out and buy a used supercar?

What do you think?

I don't see why not.

Sure.

I mean, if you've got something to drive

and you want to use a supercar?

Well, I remember when the Continental GT,

the Bentley Continental GT first came out

and I went down to the dealership.

I considered plunking some money down and buying one.

I really, really liked that car.

And now-

They're about $160,000 or something?

$150,000?

You know, yeah.

You know, now the GTC I really liked,

but the GTC, which came out a couple years after the original one,

I mean, it had the bigger brakes.

It was, you know, it was a lot more car,

but it was a lot more money as well.

But these cars that cost between $150,000 and $200,000,

you can now buy them $25,000 to $50,000 on, like, bring a trailer.

And now I've looked at a couple.

I saw one for $35,000, not too long ago.

Had 24-inch wheels on it.

It was black and I go, oh man, that thing looks great.

And then I looked a little closer at the photos,

the wear on the seats, the wear on the pedals.

And then I looked at how many miles it had, like, 162,000 miles.

And I thought, 162,000 miles on a Bentley Continental

is a lot of miles.

That's-

That's awesome.

I totally enjoyed that car.

Yes, but it's also dangerous territory, man.

That's, you know, that's where it can really-

I had a friend who had a GTC and they have the big,

I think it's an option, but the 15-inch rotors

that are made of carbon fiber.

Yeah.

And I remember him going, yeah, $35,000 for a break job

if you got to replace the rotors.

And I'm like going, wow, you know,

that's where you got to think about what it is.

But you shouldn't have to replace the rotors.

That's the thing.

You shouldn't have to.

Now things can happen and damage the rotor,

but just normal driving and wear,

you probably shouldn't have to replace the rotors.

What if you take it to Amco and they turn them

on the wrong machine, man?

There's a whole other list of issues there.

Could you imagine somebody's like trying to like,

like, hey, I'm just going to throw away

your carbon ceramic rotors

and put on a solid steel rotor

because they've got some in stock.

We had them delivered from Pep Boys.

From a Ram truck or something.

Oh, my God.

But there really are some bargains.

I mean, you know, when you look at like a mid-2000s,

612 Skag Legetti,

which that Ferrari was really,

you know, in a lot of people's wish list,

I mean, those things, you know,

5.7 liter V12,

about a 550 horsepower motor,

250 grand when they were new.

And I know Sammy's still got one sitting in his,

or wait, he's got a 599.

He's got a 599.

Yeah, he's got a 599.

But those cars right now on bring a trailer

are bringing between 60 and 100,000.

And so, you know, like, again,

you've got to consider, has it been

has it been well cared for and, you know,

what kind of, you know,

what do you head for in the future?

You know, but is there anything that,

that like, what about like an Aston Martin V12 vanquish,

you know?

Even a DB9, a DB9 has basically become affordable,

similar to what you were talking about

on the Continental GT, the McLaren.

Yeah, like 50 grand.

Yeah.

You know what surprised me were those BMW i8s,

the ones that had the really aggressive,

you know, look to them and they're kind of spaceshipy.

You know, those dropped,

I thought they were going to kind of hold their value

because guys at bottom were so into them.

And, you know, those are like 45 to 80,000 nowadays

on a regular basis.

And, man, the cars that really, really are down,

but they've been for a while, I guess.

So, but those Maserati Gran Turismo's.

Yeah.

I mean, you can get some of those 20,000 bucks.

You know, I mean, it's.

That's a good sounding car.

Yeah, looking.

Yeah, it's a pretty car and it sounds good with exhaust on it.

The GTD Mustang, the Ford GT, those haven't dropped.

They're still up there.

They're going to go up.

The McLaren, the MP4 12C, I think they're floating around

100,000 bucks, some glass, maybe some a little bit more.

But I know somebody who owned one and that was like the first

McLaren street car back after a while.

And he again, the issue is, is the maintenance, the maintenance

costs, he's like that car was just so expensive to own.

You know, presumably they all got better over the years,

the newer models, but it's like that first one.

It's like that just.

Yeah, the MP4 and like that.

Yeah, he sold that thing.

It's too nuts.

It's unfortunate in a way because like some of what these dealers charge

just for a simple oil change, you know, on a lot of these cars

is like just over the top, you know, like on a Ferrari.

I remember when I had my Ferrari and go to the dealership

and what they wanted to do.

Oh, we're going to do a full maintenance check.

And you know, and you're like, what?

And then you take it to your own mechanic that's certified

and the guy does it for, you know, 150 bucks.

And you're like, yeah, they were in the thousands over there

to do the same exact thing.

Yeah, but they used a Ferrari certified oil.

You know, that's a $100 bottle.

You know, if you could do some of this stuff yourself,

like again, going to like bring a trailer,

look up Aston Martin DB9 and look at all these DB9

selling in the 30s, $40,000 range, $45,000 range, $38,000.

Like there's, there's a, I mean, it's a pretty car.

It's actually not that fast.

Right.

And it's kind of quiet even in sport mode.

Like you just want a little bit more sound out of it,

a little bit sportier, but it's a pretty car.

And if you can do the oil change by yourself,

it's got a few issues.

I know Adam's DB9 had a few issues.

There was a battery issue, the pop-up screen on the dash.

Like it has like a, almost like a rubber band that pops it up.

And those things, I don't know, they're just dry and crack

and they wear out and they don't work.

I know. So there's a few things, but you know,

a bag of rubber bands, how much can that cost?

Right.

Yeah.

I think you got to take the dash apart to get to it.

I know that's the problem.

Yeah.

I think there's probably enough of them out there that people

are coming up with fixes, like more affordable fixes.

You go a little ring to the top and you pull it up when you need it.

Well, you just close it and you don't use it.

And you just use it.

That's another thing.

You don't use the screen.

Just use the screen.

Or just leave it up all the time.

Just like the thing is though, if you wanted to play and you had

the, you had a little extra money to play, you could go buy

something like that, drive it for like six months, dump it,

get something else, dump it.

And, and like, if you could stay ahead of the big maintenance,

you could just, you know, oh yeah, I'm driving my DB nine

right now.

And then when you get rid of it, you go, yeah, I'm driving

my Bentley.

And they're like, God, Matt's got a Bentley, a DB nine,

he's got a 458.

You got it.

But you're just flipping 50,000 hour vehicles every six months.

It's a risk.

You might wind up with that one where they go, oh yeah,

you get a cracked block, Matt.

Yeah.

Okay.

Can we put some, some kind of fix it, some silicone on that

and so I can sell it.

And depending where you live, registration, insurance,

there could be issues.

Oh no, you just, you stay ahead of that.

You just never played them.

Yeah.

Okay.

You buy it in one state, Matt.

You drive it in and then right when you, you know,

think, okay, I'm pushing my luck, then you get rid of it.

And, you know.

Even if you could dodge the registration portion,

you can't dodge the insurance.

Oh yes, you can.

You can get it for one month and then just let it

drop like the guy who hit me.

And, yeah.

Well, in California, they send you the notice.

They go, we heard your, your car isn't insured.

Yeah.

It's, it's amazing.

But there's still people driving without insurance.

And I'm like, how do they, I guess they just know a way to do

it, you know, or they get Jim Bob's insurance,

who sells certificates and that's all he does.

He doesn't actually insure anything.

Yeah.

I have no idea.

When you find out though, let me know.

Yeah.

Now I actually heard that.

I heard from somebody that they said, yeah,

there's guys that the company's come and go.

They sell a bunch of certificates electronically.

And then, and then people use them.

And then the company's gone.

It starts up as another company.

And, you know, they're never really an insurance company.

There is selling stuff that you can send to your insurance

company that makes it look like you got it.

Yeah.

Great for us who pay through the nose for insurance.

Right.

But my, you know, one of my things is I took my

Mercedes off the street and I told you I was going to bring

that back.

And having it gone through right now,

front to back so I could start driving it regularly again.

And, you know, I just quit paying the registration.

So now I got to figure out what to do because,

you know, I've got to figure out what to do.

You know, I just quit paying the registration.

So now I got to figure out what to do because I'm not going

to pay 12 years of back registration on a car I didn't

drive that sat in my building, you know.

Yeah.

So I got to figure out what to do there.

I don't know at this point.

I got to figure it out because the DMV doesn't give you a

lot of latitude on that, you know.

Yeah.

So if you, if you just don't pay, they rack up fees.

But if you just pay the nonop for like 25 bucks, then

they're like, we won't charge you the fees.

Either way, they want some money.

Right.

And I was just lazy.

I just quit paying it.

You know, I should have gone nonop on that car,

but I just, I got lazy.

So now I'm going to have to.

Well, my, my 95 lightning is registered in Arizona.

And it's a collector car and they have the collector car

insurance, like exemption stuff.

And I just paid the registration on that.

And I forgot what it was.

It was less than a hundred bucks.

Oh, I know.

It's, it's, and that may be what I have to do is

take it over there, register it at my house over there

and then wait six months, bring it back and,

and re-register it over here.

It might have been like 71 bucks.

You know, and that's, I didn't do the nonop.

It's a registered vehicle.

Like it's.

Right.

No, I know.

Yeah.

They sent me the sticker and.

And you can do multiple years too.

You can, you know, it's, it's crazy.

It's, it's crazy good is what it is.

But, but Matt, we live in,

you live in Los Angeles, I live in Orange County.

Yeah.

Anybody wants to live in Los Angeles?

Gosh, all the fees are triple what they're in Orange County?

It is a bit ridiculous.

Yeah.

I can tell you that much.

But, you know, I would say there are some people out there that it would make sense

to buy a used supercar of certain sorts, you know, luxury or supercar, whatever you want

to call it, and drive one of those rather than, you know, because if you find a well-maintained

car that has all its service records and is fairly low mileage, yeah, you're going

to pay a little more for it, but you're going to pay less than you would for like a brand

new average car, and you might enjoy driving it for a while.

I mean, certainly as a second car, if you've got something reliable to drive and you do

have a little extra money to, you know, to get something fun and try it for a while,

yeah, I would do it.

I mean, why not?

You know, I will say since some of these cars have devalued finally, you know, for a while

you couldn't touch anything, but I see a lot more older, those kind of mid-90s Ferraris

and stuff running around on the streets as daily drivers, which is, you know, or maybe,

you know, second car or something like that, like you said, but that's cool.

I saw, you know, I saw 348 today on my way to work, I passed me on the freeway and just

looked like he was, you know, headed to work or something, and I was like, you know, cool,

you know, be, you know, good for him, you know, it's, you know, he could have been

driving a Prius, you know, but instead he was driving a 348, Ferrari, yeah, maybe

his Prius is his primary car, we don't know that, right?

Certainly possible.

It is possible, and you know what else is possible, Matt, that we'll be back next time

for another show.

Maybe.

And it's possible that Aaron will be with us.

It is possible that Aaron will be back.

He might be done running Aaron's, so Aaron's was an apostrophe S with an A, not an E.

All right, everybody, hey, thanks for listening to our silly rant here, and you know what?

You can, you can hire us for your company functions.

Hell, you can hire us to come to your backyard barbecue and sit here and talk like this.

If you got the budget, you know, we'll, we'll come do it.

So just let us know.

Birthday parties, bar mitzvahs.

Yeah, exactly.

Divorce parties.

You imagine sitting there at somebody's wedding going, yeah, so did you hear about the new

Ferrari that came out and people were like, yeah, man, yeah, hey, they're saying

they're nuptials.

That's all right.

They're like, man, they're doing their thing, man, wait a minute.

Maybe we could be ordained and we could marry them.

On a podcast.

Yes.

Okay.

There's something for you guys.

We can talk what the budget would be.

I'm open to options.

Yeah.

All right, everybody, thanks for listening and we'll be back next time.

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