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please let me merge my mom is dead. This week on that car

show, you asked we delivered its cruise show and anything goes

so Cal car meetups, new press cars Dan gets suggested with the

new Mustang. Somehow it's been 25 years of fast and furious. We

bitch about customer service at luxury car dealerships. Ford

gets cheap. And the best year to have walked into a Ferrari

dealership. It's that car show. Hello and welcome to this

week's that car show. It is a cruise show once again. We all

back as a gang. How's everyone doing? It's so good to see you

guys. It's a bit of it's been a few few shows. Yeah, I know in a

minute. Yeah. That's great guests though. I've had three

people say to me when is the next cruise show. So here is your

answer is now and today. We are here to answer and give you what

you want. Yeah, all our glory. I've got a question for you

guys. What do the following podcasts have in common? Are

you ready? Ready? Take a little bit of thinking. Okay. The

car margin show. Good show. The auto car show. Okay. Seen

through glass. For the bad guy. Yeah. Smith and sniff. That's

out of the UK. Yeah. My friends at the dirtfish spin rally

podcast. Hey. And the car throttle podcast. What do they

all have in common? I feel like we need the jeopardy team. Yeah.

Yeah. A few moments later. The answer is that they are all not

quite as popular as us in Korea. So you are friends in South

Korea. Thank you for making us one of your favourites. As Ricky

Bobby says, if you're not first, you're last. But we're not

quite last, but we're definitely not first, but we've got room

to grow and we've got some good, good competition actually

behind us for once. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Jake and big baby. We

appreciate it Korea. Thank you. Yeah. I'm going to move on

quickly. We're not going to look at the US charts right now

because I think it'd be a different story. But yeah, it's

we have been doing well there. I would say we'd be proud of our

performance there too. So we broke the top 50 the other week.

That's right. And if anyone knows anything about the US

podcast podcast charts, that is a difficult group to break

into. So and I think it was the show with Lynn. So you guys

Well, thank you to our listeners and fans of the show. It was a

good one. But you're not going to mention Peru. I we talked about

that on another recording, which will even come out before

after this one. Okay. But where were we in Peru? Number one,

we're like, regularly number one in Peru, which is huge in Peru.

It's a count, you know, country of 40 million people, you know,

and can't be wrong. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's I mean,

come on. I love it. Well, thank you to our Peruvian friends.

Yeah. And you know, we gave them the podcast they gave us

Paddington Bear. So I think it's a pretty fair trade. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a car connection there, right? You know, Jeremy

Clarkson's mom was the one responsible for bringing the

Paddington stories to the masses. I believe the story goes. So

that's right. Now you know, I told you they knew their cars.

They're true enthusiasts all. Yeah, I do. And if we can stay

that way for another two months, we will dress right up as

Paddington Bear, the holiday special.

I mean, if that's not motivation, I don't know what it is.

You know, my whole body looks just like I'm already halfway there,

dad. There's a fair joke in there somewhere. This is true.

What have we been up to, folks? Have we been doing any driving?

I think there's been a lot of driving going on. I think Ryan's

the most recent though. Do you want to tell us what you got up

to today? I'll make this quick because I think you've got a

better driving story than I, Lindsay, but got the GT4 out

today. Beautiful. There's like 73 degrees. You know, there's a

whole other story there. Maybe the world is ending, but got out

for a drive. But in the meantime, you're going to go for a

drive. I'm going to get some driving. Well, you know, I've

got a I've got a service coming up in this car and it's due

new tires, but I'm not quite there. So I'm trying to burn off,

you know, trying to get there more quickly. So deciding up to

Golden Gate Canyon, if you know Golden Gate here in Denver and

was immediately behind a forerunner rolling roadblock with

a bumper sticker that said, please let me merge. My mom is

dead, which I should have known that that's their kind of

humor that they were not going to get out of my way. They then

proceeded to do 27 miles an hour up the whole canyon. When I

finally had a chance to pass my Valentine one started going off

K a band and the only vehicle I saw was a red pickup truck. And I

said, surely this, you know, must be a, you know, junk signal

or something. No, if you live here in the Denver area, watch

out because it must be clear Creek County, but up there by

Golden Gate State Park. There are there are at least two

unmarked pickup trucks Ford F 150 or 250s ones red ones white.

They don't even have government plates on them. No visible

lights or anything. One black antenna on the top and they were

both shooting K a band and they wanted to get me so bad. And it

turned into this game where like, he pull off. So I'd pull off

behind him, you know, well, who's going to go first, you know?

After you know, after you know, after you all I wanted was a

drive. So be aware, you don't ask for much, right? Don't ask for

much. I don't ask for much. You know, some, sometimes the

stars align and other times they don't. And today was was one of

those days, but any day behind the wheel still better than

sitting at home or sitting in office or anything like that.

But that is true. You had an amazing drive because I saw

pictures and you talk about like juxtapositions of cars,

right, driving together, right? You you had a couple fun ones

out. Yeah, so my daughter had your daughter may have had this

there's a midwinter break in a lot of schools and hers was a

couple weeks ago. And so five days off and we usually will try

to go to Utah for a family ski trip and like get the cousins

together and all that. Southern Utah really does not have snow

right now. So we ended up pivoting and just going to Orange

County, just, you know, that's still a vacation for us, but

different. Right. So the plan was like, okay, we're not

skiing. Let's just focus on family time. And I'm very lucky

that my whole family loves to go for a drive. So we ended up

getting to do two really like just magical drives. And

actually both were very unique two car solutions. The first

one was just Tori and my daughter and I and one of the

dogs and we took Tori's bad temper two bug and my parents

F 250 pickup truck. So it was a study in contrast. And we went

into like people in Orange County and Southern California

will be familiar with San Diego Canyon Road and then off of

that is Silverado Canyon and Majesca Canyon and all three of

them. Wonderful driving roads. There's a place called Cooks

Corner, which is off of San Diego Canyon, which you may or

may not have heard of, but it opened in 1884, actually. And

it is considered to be one of the most famous biker hangouts

and restaurants in Southern California. And I remember, you

know, my dad and I, when we would go do canyon drives when I

was in high school, we would go by Cooks Corner. So my daughter

got to see it. But we took the bug and the truck. And, you

know, it was a beautiful sunny day in Southern California, the

roads were wide open. And the truck is not your typical like

canyon carver. And it's a diesel, the throttle is pretty

sensitive. So you can, like, even if you're stepping on it

gently, it revs pretty quickly. So I gave myself the challenge

like, okay, this is not your typical car that you'd go for a

canyon cruise. I'm going to try and drive it as smoothly as

possible, like keep it as balanced as I can, because it's a

heavy vehicle. And like drive it as smoothly as possible without

losing any extra speed, you know, windy, tight turns. And one

of the roads was very, very narrow with like trees hanging

over. And, you know, it made it a really fun engaging drive. And

I had one of the dogs was with us and she likes to sit on the

console. So that was a good barometer. Like if I can keep

her stable and not slide all over the place.

It's weird because she's a German shepherd.

Super strange. But you know, those F-250s are good size,

right? And it's so fun, as you guys know, to just go for a

drive with other cars that are kind of put a group together and

go drive together. So that made it really fun to have, you know,

Tori and I together driving. And I haven't been back on those

roads in a long time. One of them, we turned to go on to this

one canyon, and there were two horses coming down the road. So

really? Yeah. So it just, it was like, we just didn't know what

we were going to find. It was, you know, it's, it's so nice,

especially, we've all lived in climates where there are seasons

where driving is not, you know, feasible. And we're kind of in

the middle of that in the Pacific Northwest. So it was really

nice to get to do that this time of year. And, you know, it's

just nice to get out and get behind the wheel and be in the

sun and just, just be out.

So for those not aware, what is bad temper two and why is it

called bad temper two? So it is the second bad temper. There

was a bad temper and it was red. We're on the state, the

obvious bed. Right. So this is bad temper two. So really bad

temper. Yeah, extra bad temper now with extra bad temper. So

it was a bug that was put together for those that are

familiar with VWs. It was one of the cowl look bugs which had

illustrations on the side or lettering and they had names

most of them. And a lot of them were drag race, I believe. So

this is a drag bug. And it was big in the LA scene in the

80s. At one point, it was abandoned. Someone had built

it, you know, took care of it and then sold it. And then

somebody he knew found it years later, totally abandoned on

the street in LA. They lost their temper. They lost their

temper and in the car. And he ended up getting reconnected

with it. It was restored. But yeah,

but it's like an iconic like it is car right if you're in the

know and yeah, they're like heartbeat lines and like all

kinds of like 80s kind of on there was a pink one. There was

a pink one. There was the original bad, the red bad

temper. This one bad temper two, which is actually grabber blue,

which is a Ford Mustang color. So you know, the signs were

that was written in the stars. But yeah, so towards the caretaker

of it now, and I am now two, but it's a super fun car. And so

the second drive that we took over the weekend, which was the

other, you know, unique two car solution was bad temper two, and

the 289 Shelby Cobra. And those two cars are evenly matched in

terms of driving on the street spiritedly. And we had a

great time. Yeah, there was a comment from the Cobra that they

didn't realize the bug was as fast as it is.

Do you think Carol Shelby is turning in his grave now? Because

in essence, he's spent all this time and investment on

developing this car. And someone's come along and put an

engine in a beetle. Right.

No, you know what, I think Carol would be thrilled because I

heard him say this and my parents heard him say this a few

times like he built these cars to be driven. And so I think he

would be so thrilled to see that we're actually out enjoying the

car and my daughter wrote in it and the next generation is

enjoying it. And you should have seen, we took those two and my

parents and my daughter and Tori and I and we all went to

Crystal Cove. And that's their that was the start of one of the

big cars and coffees and then moved to the Ford headquarters.

But people still go just because Southern California is such a

car culture. So they'll still stop in for coffee. And so

there's always a good, you know, small but sort of like high

value gathering of cars. Yeah. And it was really fun to see the

reaction when we pulled in in the cars because the crowd around

the cobra, it was so fun. And all these people came up with

stories like, Oh, my dad was really into these or you know, my

family had one. And how many people ask you if it's real at

an event like that? A lot. A lot. Yeah. When you say yes.

Right. They are, you know, part of it too is like, we're kind of

in and out, like getting coffee and looking at the other cars

that were there. I mean, it was an amazing morning there,

outside of what you know, we showed up. Right. My dad was

probably with it the most just talking to people. But as he and

I were getting in it to go home, this man came up and he's like,

is it real? And you know, he shared his family had had a GT

350 and I think he'd had a Cobra connection. But he just he was

like stunned speechless because you don't really see them out

often. So that was really cool.

Now I hear the one of the ways to tell when I'm no expert on

these is to do with the indicator stalks. Is that right?

That's a good question. I'm still learning to and like there

are some tells and a lot of the replica companies, there was

like a nameplate and it'll say, you know, like super performance

or, you know, some of the other ones, factory five is a as

another one that's well regarded. But I will find out.

Yeah, it was interesting. I was at the old old place. And there

was a gentleman with a real one. And I said, how do you tell and

he said it was something to do with the indicator stalks. So

maybe if folks are listening and they know, maybe they could

drop a comment and let's know how do you tell if it's a real

Cobra or a kicker?

I will ask my source.

Good. No, I wanted to share the other cars that we got to see

that day. Just quickly. So there was a Velocity Bronco in

this amazing metallic root beer brown. Absolutely gorgeous.

There were 10 to 15 modern m three and m fours that all

showed up together. It was like the M armada. And that was

really fun.

I bet you heard them coming.

We did. There was a beautiful red 2002. There was a GT three

and a GT four RS. There was one of the Porsche Taycan Turbo GTs

in the purple sky metallic, which was their launch color, I

think. And those are 1092 horsepower. So that's crazy.

It just stealthily went through the parking lot. We saw two

bright blue Ferraris, which is unusual. There was an absolutely

gorgeous 1960 Mercedes Benz 220 SE. And it was the cab and they

only made 1112 of those of the Cabriolets. And it was it had

been restored. Absolutely gorgeous. Several GT threes as

you'd expect. Several G wagons. My favorite was like an acid

birch green one. I just loved it. Beautiful blue Bentley

Cabriolet, a Riviera blue 993, some defenders and a 918

spider.

That's a well rounded mix.

Yeah, we were like, I'm good.

Dan, were you there? I was not. Unfortunately, no Superman

spec boxed as I know. Well, next time we'll have to coordinate

it was such a last minute kind of thrown together trip. But next

time we'll have to make it more official and like, you know, and

we can meet up. Yeah, it sounds like fun. I've had a couple of

press cars lately. Muscle car was an automatic this time Mustang

dark horse. Oh, so what did you think having had the manual?

What are your thoughts now?

Yeah, well, I mean, so I've driven the Ecoboost the regular v8

GT, the dark horse manual and the dark horse auto. So I think

I've got the full gambit covered. Yeah. And I'll tell you my

favorite, I think is the v8 GT manual. Really? The the dark

horse is just too powerful for the road. Which is over 500

horsepower. There may be a video featuring it on the car wow

website right now, which is the same car I had to get it

basically bring it back after the shoot. Right. And to it had

been completely completely used as it's intended. And then I

got the keys. But I just don't think I think it's too powerful.

Sorry, there's a joke there. So which bit used as intended,

then you get tossed the keys. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the jokes

practically right themselves. Yeah, what are they doing

Ryan's head? So yeah, fun car, but like, it was just too like

you just feathered the

Well, you couldn't fully unspool it and really enjoy it, which

is that's, I think that's a lot of us run into that of like,

okay, if you can't enjoy it, if it's meant to be driven at the

track, you can't fully enjoy it, because most of your drives

are going to be not track drives.

So it must be the way it delivers the power, right? You

know,

why it delivers the power the balance of the car. I just think

the

Yeah, the V8 is better.

Interesting.

I know the V8, but the GT. I did like a couple of the

technology features. So it had a really non intrusive lane

discipline thing. You know, a lot of them are like, and you

just get rumbled. This was more like suggestive and I like

that.

What has Ryan been drinking tonight? That's what I want to

know. This is the one that I'm not drinking. Yeah. Thank you,

Costco. Yeah.

It's a different kind of shot, but it's having the same effect.

My digestive system is clean as a whistle.

That was the dark horse. I think that the GT is the better car,

is a more usable car. Like on the freeway again, you just

couldn't put the power down. You just get the tires spinning

and it's more like, you know, gentle throttle is enough more

than enough to propel you to where you need to go. So there's

no, there's no point in planting it because you just can't like.

So that was the first one. And we drove up about 400 miles for

this film shoot. So I decided that on the way back, I would take

the automatic on the way up. I would take the Integra type S.

Oh, I'm dying to hear what you thought about that.

Yeah, have either of you driven one?

Not yet.

I've driven the, is it the TSX type S?

Is it a TLX?

TLX rather, that's right. Right. This isn't 2001. Yeah.

And that was a manual?

No, it was an automatic when I drove. So, but I liked it very

much. Yeah, great car.

This is the cousin of the Civic Type R, right? So they are very

similar in everything they do. A lot of people say that the

Integra is more refined. I would agree with that apart from the

fact that the seats weren't as good. So I think Honda now are

like really famous for having great seats. Right. You know, the

gearbox gear change is very similar, almost identical.

Position, etc. I, if you were to say to me, like you've got the

choice between the two cars, which keys you go for, I think

the Integra is a more fun car. Interesting.

And I know that's probably going to alienate a load of Mustang

fans. But I don't think a lot of people realize that these cars

exist, both the TLX and the Integra, and they are just

wonderful cars, like in the very best sort of like old school

way. I mean, the Tex all there and all that, but they, there's

something there's an authenticity to them, right? Like

they drive exactly like you think they're going to drive. And

they sort of drive like cars used to drive, right? It's just

there's a directness, quality and every control and touchpoint

that's just, I don't think Honda gets all the credit they

deserve and accurate, I think, just sort of lives in this weird

sort of like zone where it's just not on people's radar

anymore, you know?

Certainly not as much, I think, as they used to be.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember when you guys do too,

when Acura was new, right? Yeah. Game changer it was, you

know, give Acura a chance. They're really good cars.

It is a great car. It really is. It's an unsung hero, I think

because most people don't know about it. As you say, it's, it's

like a little go car. It's so much fun. Like, you know, I would

recommend it.

In front wheel drive, which, you know, damn impressive for

a front wheel drive car with what is that 300 horsepower?

About 340, I think. 340? I mean, you know, to be able to push

that through your front wheels with such control and sort of

poise and

Yeah. And it does it well. Like you didn't get so a lot of

cars that the front wheel drive, you get the torque steer when

you put your foot down and everything starts, you know, I

took it down a drag strip and it was perfect. Gear changes were

perfect.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fascinated with the science of

torque steer. I don't know if I've ever quite wrapped my head

around it. Back in the day, I had a 2000 Volvo S40. I think it

had 160 horsepower, but it was to the front wheels. And if you

floored at that thing would just, you know, turn, you know, I

mean, you really had to fight against it. But now we have

these cars with more than double the horsepower and you don't

pick up on torque steer at all. So like, what have they done in

recent years to dial that out? Do you have any any ideas on the

science behind that?

The magicians. That's what I can say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sobs.

That was always a big thing with sobs, too. Right? That was

always with the Viggen, right? When the Viggen came out and it

was ostensibly this competitor to like the M3 or the S4, you

know, and it was a neat car, quirky, but that was always the

hit against it that it had like this incredible torque steer,

you know, and so

There were Vauxhall's in the UK the same, they just had too much

torque steer. You couldn't get the power down. You couldn't

appreciate the car in the way you wanted to. But there aren't

that many quick front wheel drive cars anymore, are there? I

think the the Golf GTI is potentially one. I'm not sure we

could name more than five. Yeah. Yeah. If everything's all

wheel drive. Maybe there's a Hyundai N of some sort. Does

front wheel drive the Lancer?

Yeah, I want to I want to say that's all wheel drive though,

the N, the N spec, the Lancer or I think all are the aren't all

the N spec cars. We need to get to our research. Do we need to

put money on it? Do we want to? I'm going to say that they're

all all wheel drive, all N spec cars.

I don't think it is. So I think

I'm happy to moderate the bet.

That does not come with a wheel drive.

Okay, all right. Well, you know,

we'll just start a running tally of you owe me a beer. I owe

you a beer. Yeah, I think I own Dan a few beers at this point.

But now we know. Now we know. But yeah, I don't need I could

name more than five cars in front wheel drive, have a bit of

power. And but I think the Civic has the record going

around the nervous still. Yeah. So I think it's record for

a front wheel drive car. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a great car. And I imagine that this is just sort of a

more grown up version of that, right?

Yeah, no, I think it's, it's good. I thought we would change

subjects and talk a bit about what's the right phrase? Is it

like flogging a horse? Is it squeezing a lemon? This year?

Wait for it. This year is 25 years of the Fast and Furious

franchise. And the well known shoe company Puma have a set of

you guys have a set of tennis shoes. I call them trainers.

Trainers. Yeah.

Have a set of trainers that attribute to the cars in the

movies. I kid you not, right? Yeah. I mean, they are a site to

behold.

Yeah. Have you seen them, Ryan?

No, I've not. Yeah. I think you need to pause for a minute and

do a search. Okay, okay.

Stuckey's Honda S2000 Puma shoe.

While you're doing that, like there's the full set. Okay,

they've done a contribution or a tribute to each car that was in

the movies. Oh, wow, Dan. Let me see yours.

So you don't want them tonight.

Like the orange one for the suit. Yeah, I kind of, well, no,

I'm just zoomed in. Those are not. Who's who are these four?

I mean, true fans of the Fast and Furious franchise, so me and

all of my FNF brethren.

Also 25 years. This is what I'm like, I remember when the first

one came out. Yeah. Yeah.

I wonder if Jorge would rock a pair of these shoes, everybody

from tormenting tarmac, because when we were last in LA, he

had to make a pilgrimage to that's right. He can answer all

the trivia, you know, or listening.

That's where they ended the after Brian Drag Race is the

Ferrari. They go to Neptune's net in the movie.

I want to know how old Jorge was when the movie came out. I

kind of do want to know and I don't want to know. Yeah, he

was probably about 12 or so.

Right. Did he see it in real time or did it come labor? But

what a what a force, right? Like what a what a half life, right?

That I know. Well, yeah, when you think about kind of what they

thought or like what the expectation was when they were

making it and what the franchise, I mean, nobody expected it to

be like they're making another one as we speak. Yeah. Who

would have thought that 25 years on they'd still be making new

movies. Yeah, it's crazy. It's all about Dan and I are. Dan

and I are still waiting for a standby me adidas. So that's

right. In the meantime, you'll console yourselves with the

Fast and Furious Pumas. So if you guys had to wear one of this

lineup, which ones would you choose because I know which ones

Well, I'm looking at pink. I'm looking at kind of an electric

blue, right? I'm looking at the silver accents. Is there like

a bright green? Okay. Yeah, there's a bright green. I did see

a note that they were sad there weren't there wasn't one that

was a direct tribute to Hans Carr in Tokyo Drift. That was a

suggestion for when Puma brings out Fast and Furious 2.0,

that they be sure to include that one. So I don't want to, you

know, burst anyone's bubble here. But I also saw an ad pop up on

my Instagram the other day for a line of Puma's dedicated to

the musical group, The Smiths. And they have lines of lyrics,

you know, lyrics down the side. I don't know if these are one

offs or if these are also a Puma, you know, officially

licensed product. But I'm, you know, they might just be doing

anything anymore. Right? You know, I'm thinking that car

feels a little bit like throwing spaghetti against the wall.

Yeah. If you're listening, if you're listening, we could put

the logo on some shoes they would sell in their hundreds in

Peru and South Korea. That's right. And then just target those

markets. Right. We have a captive audience who are ready and

waiting for the that car show high tops. We're just waiting for

the call from Puma.

The stingiest automotive company award may go to or at least a

contender is Ford. Yeah, man. Ford obviously have got a number

of electric cars. But I think Lindsay, you saw that they're

actually taking a leaf out of BMWs book and right charging the

customer more if they want more.

Yeah. And it's what's wild is ultimately the overall price of

the car is going up, but not for the reason that goods usually

go up like inflation and etc. So they've decided to make the

insert that creates that makes the frunk a frunk like makes the

front part of it usable. That insert now costs $495 if you want

it and it's not standard in any of the packages. And the base

price of the cars has been reduced by $50. But the frunk insert

costs $495. So the overall price of the car goes up if you want

something that used to be standard. And what I thought was so

fascinating and I'm curious if this really is the case or if

it's just what they've decided to, you know, package this

decision is they said the designers had learned that a lot

of owners were not using the frunk. So they decided to make the

insert not a standard option. But you know, it just leaves me

with a lot of questions. And I feel like again, like you said,

Dan, it smacks of BMW saying they were going to start a

subscription for heated seats or different options. And I think

there's something to that in the sense of if it meant that in

the cooler, like in the warmer months, you're not having to pay

extra for your heated seats, sure. But there's got to be a better

way to present it to the public, to us, the drivers, where it

doesn't just feel like a money grab.

Yeah, the one that gets me is the Mackey rally, which is a car

I'd love to drive. Yeah, I've heard really good things about

those.

If you want the spoiler now, and the graphics packets another

thousand dollars.

Right. And that used to be what set it apart. That was how you

knew it was the rally.

Yeah. Well, it's again, it's not like, you know, if you don't

want it, you save 1000, it's that you do have to pay another

1000. This this tray. So if you if I were to go to one of these

Mach-E's without the tray now, would I just see wires and cool?

Yeah, I think it's just like unfinished. Okay, you can't you

couldn't use it to put cargo in without this answer that makes

it so I I guess like our Polestar has a frunk. I don't think

it's nearly as capacious as the one in the Mach-E, but I've

never even thought to use it, right? Because there's plenty of

room in the back. But I've driven other EVs where for whatever

reason, that's that's the go to storage space. So is it a I

assume it's a big area? I assume I would guess just from looking

at the car like I haven't looked at one and I mean, that's a

good that's a good perspective from, you know, you actually

have an EV and you don't think to use the frunk. Like maybe

that's true. And it's just force of habit. We're still getting

used to the idea that there isn't an engine in the front of the

car. Yeah, we're having to remind ourselves to go use it. It

just feels like self fulfilling. Well, that's like if you're

making it unusable, then people aren't going to use it. It's

just guys, it's just this constant nickel and diming to

death, right? And it's just this max of that. It's just like,

when will it stop? You know, just be straightforward. Tell me

what the car costs and let it be done. And what is this like a

rubber made container? Like how complicated a piece of plastic

can this be? Right? I mean, there's got to be a workaround,

right? I don't know. It's just people are going to be making

their own from inserts for less than 495.

It's just, it's just, you know, it's like when you stay at any

hotel now, then there's like the $50 night resort fee, right?

It's just in a resort. Right, right. This is the courtyard in

an Iowa. Man, this is a motel six. It's just come on. It just

seems cheap. Just seems cheap. Yeah, it doesn't. And I don't

know off the top of my head how you present that in a way that

feels good. If it's something that used to be standard, and

you're now getting charged for it, like that scenario doesn't

ever feel good regardless of the context. But it just sounds, it

sounds stingy. And it's, it feels like if they're trying to

save, let's just say they're trying to save money. That feels

like something like if you're selling an EV without an insert

and you can't use the front of it, it feels like the car is not

complete too. I think that's the bigger thing for me is like you

said, Ryan, so what do you have bear, you know, wiring and

insulation?

It is this, it is this, this push to, you know, I've talked

about this before on the show, where, you know, the cheaper

models of cars will have wheels that are, are just, you know,

so ugly, there's no way you'd want ever want to drive that

thing around with those wheels. So you feel obligated to

upgrade, right? And I really feel like the wheels are designed

to be ugly. And, and I've got to dump on my favorite car brand

here for a minute, but Porsche, have you seen some of the

wheels on the newest 911s? They're hideous. They don't look

like they fit on the car. They look almost like aero wheels or

something. So when you look into the spokes, instead of seeing

the barrel of the, of the wheel, there's almost like a rim that

comes up an inch or two, and it's just they look awful, you

know, and I hate to say, but I think Porsche is finally kind of

doing what, you know, other companies, well, you know, they've

been doing it on the, on the sorry, the electric Porsche, I

can't think of the name of it, the

the Taycan, the Taycan, look at like the special one that car

first came out. Look at the wheel designs on the lower end.

They were absolutely awful. And the fact that that's carried out

over now to the 911 is kind of pathetic. But again, it's this

mentality where no one's gonna want to, you know, no one's

gonna want to be seen without their trunk liner, right?

Because, you know, their neighbors are gonna say, who is

this cheap guy, right? I mean, so you're gonna do it, whether

you use it or not. And it's just, yeah, it's, it's just so

cheap. You know, you guys are both old enough to remember when

you get a lower level car, and there'd be like blank caps and

things. Yeah, right? This is come on.

Well, they were just talking about this on spike this morning

in one of the, I think it was a Subaru where there's a space

where on some of them there is a feature. And on some of them

it's like a blank cover. And they were debating they'd heard a

rumor that the guts of the feature, if you were able to

pry this cover off and get a button that would make the

connection, the guts are still there. So they were debating the

merits of that. But it is funny where you are in, you know,

like at one point, there was an expedition and an explorer in

my family. And one of them had the compass up above. And the

other one just was just like plastic. And you're like, well,

we know what could be there. But it's not. Well, and you know,

the other interesting thing about I know they were doing crazy

deals on mock ease recently, seemingly because they weren't

really moving. And so this feels like counterproductive. If you

want people to try the cars out, you're going to make it less

attractive.

Yeah. And there was benefits because of the tariffs as well.

There was discounts.

You just guys reminded me of so I had my car going for a service

last week. And the only reason I raised this is because of like

value for money, etc.

This is the Porsche. This is the Audi. Oh, the Audi.

The Audi. So this was in theory, it was the 50,000 mile

service. In reality, the car's only done 32,000. But

is it a time period or mileage? Yeah, 52,000 Dan miles.

Well, I don't know, because I think at least a thousand were

done by you, Ryan.

It was a group effort. When did you want me to pick it up so I

can put my thousand on it? Whenever you like,

whenever you like, use it up in hand of the keys. Don't put it

up against bad temper too, because I don't think it will

compete.

There's only one way to find out.

I took it in for a service and I don't know if it's the norm

now, but like I was presented with three service options.

It was the first thing. Which one would you like, sir?

The cheapest one. Again, the jokes for themselves.

Wow. Yeah.

I kid you, well, have a guess how much a service is on an Audi

SQ5.

And this was just a standard 50,000 mile.

Yeah, it's when they start to fall apart, you know,

filter oil, like tire rotation, but nothing, no gearbox

oil or anything like that.

It shouldn't be more than, I mean, it shouldn't be more than

$300, but I'm going to say $900 for the cheapest option.

Double it.

You're kidding me. What are they doing?

Making a profit out of me for a star.

So my point is...

They're telling it how pretty it is.

I got a loaner, which is great.

Yeah.

That evening, the car was ready and I had work commitments, so I

said, could I pick it up the next day?

Yeah.

And they were like, yeah, we'll get it washed for you as well.

I was like, what? You weren't going to wash it?

Yeah.

Yeah. Now, you're talking to the guy who explicitly instructs

them to not wash the car.

So, you know, and yet they do.

But the Polestar, they would ask the Polestar to be washed,

wouldn't you?

Yeah.

Have you been to a Polestar dealership?

Didn't we talk about this?

The Polestar dealership is the Volvo dealership, but you don't

get to go into the Volvo entrance.

They sort of shuttle you around and back where there isn't a

sign and then you stand there for 30 minutes until, you know,

the one guy that's doing everything from welcoming customers

to doing the actual work in the cars, comes over in a sweat

and greets you.

It's, yeah, the last thing I want is that guy washing the car.

It's got to like, nope, you over here.

But no, you know, it's so that was the cheapest option, Dan?

Yeah.

Well, again, what do you get for your, you know?

Do they do a musical number for you?

Do you know what, I didn't even look.

That's just sad.

Give me the cheapest option.

So, so I, so I'll give you another story, Porsche Colorado

Spring.

So I've got this GT4.

It's a 2020 and I was living in a little bit fear because I knew

that its first major service was coming up and my usual service

guy is on leave.

And so it was given to someone else, a guy I've worked with before,

a great guy, but not my usual person.

And I just expected him to say, well, you know, it's finally time

to get that, you know, that, that, that major service.

But you said, well, how many miles do you have?

And I told him, he's like, oh, no, no, you're good.

You're fine.

Just, you need an oil change and probably a, you know, a break,

a fluid service.

And I, you know, I'm like, thank you.

That's nice.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Cause I would have, you know, just assumed I needed this major

service.

And I know we're just pushing off to next year, but, but, but the oil

change on that, Dan, was I think 390 in the GT4 as a car.

Well, like, as you both know, these are cars where you have a lot

of underbody panels that have to come off, right?

I mean, this is no five minute oil change.

This is a process.

And so I thought 390 was not terrible.

And the fact that it's less than half what they quoted you on

an SQ five seems with a smaller engine, right?

I mean, it's not, you know, these, these Porsches, you know, the

NA engines have a ton of oil and all that.

I mean, you know, this is a, what a two eight turbo or something,

three, two turbo on the three, three, yeah, where's the

complication here?

Like, what, what are you doing?

Didn't get it.

I would have loved if they had, so I am three weeks left on my

warranty and the other sign of a good dealer is like, Hey, you

know, this is probably touch and go on the warranty, but we'll do

it for you anyway.

Yeah, no, I'm seeing none of that.

So, um,

that's for speaking of truck trunk liners in Porsche Colorado

Springs, I got to give them another plug because right

before this car went out of warranty, I took it and I said,

you know, take a look and do whatever you need to do.

And, you know, they looked at it thoroughly can't really find

anything, but your trunk liner upfront is sort of pulling away.

Let's, let's replace that.

And I'm sure that was no cheap piece.

And so they replaced the whole, uh, front liner for me, no issue.

Um, so, you know, it's, there is a difference, isn't there?

And, um, you know,

Dan, has that been your experience like when you serviced?

Cause is that the first experience you've had servicing it in LA?

Yeah.

Um, was it like that when you were in Seattle, like dealer experience wise?

Was the oil change there?

It was nowhere near as expensive.

Yeah.

Uh, so I think the experience is much better up in Seattle.

Yeah.

Um, I had a pretty good experience with the Porsche because the Porsche

went in for a service, uh, you know, no, no major concerns at a

loan car.

Yeah.

We've talked about this before, at least at, you know, the Porsche

dealership, I like to frequent these people are sent away to be trained

in customer service.

They go to like a four seasons for a week and they're trained by the four

seasons customer service staff on how to treat your customer.

And I don't understand why more brands, especially premium brands, and I think

Audi's up there too, you know, don't pay attention to that.

You know, it's just at the end of the day, you know, people's loyalties are

fickle and you can go anywhere and something like a bad experience, like

feeling good, you know, feeling like you got ripped off or something's

enough to push me to another brand.

I mean, I don't know.

I just don't understand.

I think luxury extends beyond the car.

Right.

That's there you go.

Cause the, go on, Lindsay.

No, I was going to say, I, I agree.

And I think Porsche stands out in, they really do focus on including you in

the lifestyle and, you know, I mean, think of other, like, I think they're

probably the first brand who do, you know, they do events like social events

at the dealership and they want you to come back and they want to have a

longstanding relationship with you because they know it's worth the

investment, it's worth investing in their people and having their people

go to the Four Seasons and all of that because if you have a positive

experience, you're going to keep coming back.

And if you have a negative experience, you're going to talk about it on your

podcast.

There we go.

Yeah.

I, Toyota wanted to charge me $70 a day for a loan car.

That's when I had the Corolla.

That's like.

Bros.

Yeah.

Well, it wasn't just a Corolla.

Right.

You had the Porsche.

Right.

I mean, so you're at a price point where that just shouldn't even be to

charge you for a rental car.

It's just, um, no, it's ridiculous.

I think we need to switch gears and talk about some good stuff because we, so

far, we've been on port.

We've been down at the day, aren't we?

Let's talk about one of my favorite car brands, Ferrari.

Yes.

And that thing we do where we go in the DeLorean and we go back to

peak, whatever, uh, this time around, we'll go Ferrari.

So you're going to go and pick up a peak Ferrari.

What was peak Ferrari and why?

And, uh, Ryan sounds like he's done most of the homework on this one.

So maybe you can go first while Lindsay and I think.

I love Ferraris next as, as much as the next guy or gal.

Uh, I never have owned one, uh, let me list the reasons.

But, uh, you know, I think, you know, growing up, it was a, it was obviously a

poster car and this and that.

And, and I think it'd be really easy to say, I'm going to go back to, you

know, I don't know, the fifties and buy a GTO or something.

But, uh, but for me, the year that really matters is 1987, right?

And I think you both know that was the year the F 40 was released.

Um, but what's interesting is they had four other cars, uh, on the lineup of that

year, so they had the three 28, you get the GTS or the GTB, right?

You could get the 400 I still remember that one.

Yeah, 400 either funky wedge, you know, which is finally getting its due.

The prices on those have shot way up.

Uh, if you've, if you've, I've always liked those.

I always had the thing for them.

I thought they were cool, but, um, can't afford one of those now either.

Uh, the Mondial, and I think it was a three two by 1987.

So I think it was someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was,

you're finally like getting into the Mondials that you really want, right?

Um, you know, you could get that as a, as a, as a Cooper convertible.

I think in 87 still.

And then of course they were still doing the Testerosa.

So, um, you know, that was a pretty robust lineup.

Of course, the F 40 just, you know, blew them all out of the water.

But, you know, think about it, no turbos, everything was manual, except for

maybe that 400 I checked the wrong box, right?

I mean, it was a pretty damn good lineup.

But I think to 2013, uh, puts up a pretty good fight because 2013, well, I think

was the last year of, of, of NA across the board, 2014 was the first year of the

turbo, uh, the 458 speciale was 2013.

Um, also a pretty great lineup, but just being a child of the, uh, the 80s, you

know, um, it's, it's 1987 for me and Ferrari.

It's just, uh, checks out the most box challenge you on that.

Yeah.

So I think you said that none of them were turbos.

Well, sorry, the F 40.

Okay.

Sounds like there's another beer on the line.

Yes, yes, yes, answer carefully.

Yes.

So the F 40 was turbocharged, wasn't it?

Right.

Yeah.

Honestly, that may even not, was it 88 even before that was brought to the states?

I don't know.

It's probably late 87, if I recall, but that was a hell of a line.

We'll give you late 80s as an answer.

Yeah.

That's a good answer.

Lindsey, do you want to go next?

Can you be that?

Sure.

So I have, I have three answers, which will surprise no one.

It's a storied mark.

What can you say?

It is a storied mark.

And, uh, you know, I had to, like when I, when I started thinking about the question,

I went, okay, what pops to mind?

So my very first TV show was Magnum PI.

So like the first show that I remember watching, and I remember that from when I

was a little bitty kid, as my dad would say.

So that made quite an impression on me.

And obviously Magnum had the 308.

So 1980 is when Magnum came out.

So I would say that was a, like a significant moment for Ferrari.

Um, I would also say the Testerosa was a significant moment for them.

It's such an iconic car.

That car was produced between 84 and 91.

So there's that.

And then I think the Enzo is a pretty significant car.

Yeah.

That was 2002 to 2004.

And I actually saw one of those driving on PCH in about 2004, actually.

So yeah, I was driving behind it and all of a sudden, like, realized what I was seeing.

And I'm like, what is this?

Yeah.

So for those keeping track, PCH is the place to be.

But obviously Ferrari's been around for a long, long, long time and they've had several

significant moments, but those are the, those are the moments that come to mind for

me as far as like defining moments for the brand.

Are you Dan?

Interesting.

Um, well, I was at a car show on Sunday and a gentleman brought along a Daytona spider.

Um, and I just think the Daytona is, you know, I think Ferrari went through a period

of making race cars for the road, which were beautiful.

Um, but the convertible with the V12 and just, it's just a thing of beauty.

So V12 plus a beautiful car, I think.

And those cars, I think originally came out in the 60s, but it wasn't till the 70s where

they were kind of really sort of perfection, you know, uh, so I think it's, uh, the Daytona

spider in, in the early 70s.

So, um, and again, it's interesting.

We've gone for different eras.

Oh, no, and you should buy one, Dan.

They're a little soft right now from what I hear.

Yeah.

Is that your addition to the BS market list for this week?

We should each get one, right?

And, you know, go ahead.

Sorry.

I don't know if I fit in one, but yeah, I bet you do.

You know, that's an interesting car because you know, back in the day, so many, so many

of the coups were turned into, to cabs, right?

Um, so I think the move might be to find a nice, uh, coupe, but, uh,

An unmolested example, as they say, that's right.

I think one was used in the cannibal run, not the film, the actual cannibal run.

Uh, yeah, that's right.

That's, that's, that this is true.

Yeah.

At all about it and current driver back in the day.

Yeah.

With Brock Yates and Dan Gurney.

That's exactly right.

So well, imagine.

Can you imagine like in period doing that trip, just falls out for better, for lack

of a better, you know, way of saying it in that car from coast to coast, those two,

right?

Talk about recording a podcast in a car.

Yeah.

You know, in the seventies, there was obviously a lot less traffic.

Imagine that.

We just be freedom, wouldn't it?

Yeah.

Cops, you know, rudimentary speed control, right?

I think that was the era of like, you know, once you hit the state line, you were,

you were free.

Right.

That's what the movies taught me.

So, yeah, you know, it's, that's a good answer.

That's a good answer.

Yeah.

Just Ferrari still do it for you, like with their current lineup.

Obviously they're nice cars and they're fast and all that, but is there anything

in their current lineup that really touches you?

Like, I mean, that really makes you want it.

He gave jokes.

Yeah.

Lindsey.

So I don't know the models as well as I wish I did, but.

I think some of the new ones are really beautiful.

I think it's, it's sort of an era of extremes for them.

And obviously it's subjective, but some of them I think are gorgeous and some of

them are not my cup of tea.

Yeah, yeah.

But I would say, you know, they're still like, I think they're still very special cars.

I think the brand is so special and I wouldn't turn one down.

The Delce Cilindre, which is the, is it like a, you know, a new Daytona?

Yeah.

I'd love to drive one of those.

Yeah, I think those, they're all just so big, you know, and I remember when the

FF came out, people said that about that car.

Well, that doesn't seem so big now.

And that's a car that never really did it for me when it was new, but I think

are really cool.

I've seen a couple of them in winter here in Colorado on winter tires.

You know, they're all wheel drive.

They're just, it's like, how baller is that?

You know, I'm going to take my, my V12 Ferrari, you know, and, and, uh, you know,

don't mind me.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

So no, I'm with you.

I think, uh, I think they're cool.

They're cool.

A lot of car for the money currently.

Lots of top tips today on the bill.

Shit list.

We've got the Daytona.

We've got the GT4 Lusso on the FF.

Yeah.

One.

It's a Ferrari heavy segment.

Yeah.

Um, what have we got coming up in the next few weeks?

Much.

Uh, I think Avans has an event this weekend and just hoping for some good

weather, maybe get out for a drive.

Well, not the fat ice race that's going on this weekend.

We will not be there next year.

Just didn't get our, yeah, didn't get it together to make that happen.

Speaking of Avans, I want to give Avans a quick shout out because my GT4 needs

new tires and if you are an Avans member, uh, and I am, uh, you can get a

10% discount off the top of any, I think pretty much any tire at discount

tire and then you get an additional 10% rebate if they're Michelin's.

And so you're spending $2,500 on four tires.

That's a significant amount of money.

Um, you've got to order the tires in person at a discount tire, but beyond

that, you can have them shipped to your installer or wherever.

Um, so, you know, well worth the price of admission.

I think it's about a hundred bucks, maybe 150 a year for Avans.

It's between a hundred and 150 pays for itself.

One set of tires and then some.

So anyway, yeah, another top tip.

Right.

Uh, so you'll be getting tires and then going for another drive to find a,

I hope so.

Hey, what was the Toyota that we got stuck behind?

Oh, a four runner, you know, another.

Or investigating more counties with stealth patrol cars.

The problem is even in the 10 years, 12 years, whatever that I've lived in Denver,

the traffic has gotten so much worse.

These sort of like near Canyon roads, which used to be our go-tos are just that

much more heavily trafficked and then in turn you get more enforcement.

And so you've got to, you've got to cast the net further.

Well, even though we haven't had much of a winter anywhere beyond sort of this,

this near net means there's snow and ice and everything else.

I tried to go up the peak to peak today.

Uh, and if you are local, you know, the peak to peak.

I got to the second corner and, uh, had to slam in the brakes because it was all

ice and it was 73 in Denver today.

So that's what you're dealing with in Colorado.

But, uh, yeah, Dan, you.

I'm just trying to think I actually next weekend, I'm going for a bit of a road

trip, um, taking the Porsche out.

Uh, my plans had changed.

I was going to Daytona for the bikes.

That's right.

I've, uh, I've pulled the plug on that.

And I've, I've got relatives from the UK going to Palm Springs.

Oh, I'm going to take a couple of days to get there and probably go out to

Ohio and, you know, get some crazy stuff and then come into Palm Springs.

There are a couple of really great tiki bars in Palm Springs.

Uh, so yourself a favor and investigate those while you're there.

Well, that's the perfect Palm Springs car too.

You can put the top down.

That'll be, that'll be fantastic.

I might, uh, I might come home with a friend.

It's Palm Springs, right?

What does that mean?

I don't know.

I think on that note, we need to make sure that we don't break Ryan into jail

tonight.

I think that's a show, isn't it?

I, yeah, I approve this message.

There we go.

Who's going to take us out?

There can be only one.

It's very kind.

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