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Vertu's mystery investor revealed, Cherys could be made in Sunderland, and why drivers are falling in love with Chinese cars – with Damien Dally, episode 261

Vertu's mystery investor revealed, Cherys could be made in Sunderland, and why drivers are falling in love with Chinese cars – with Damien Dally, episode 261

Car Dealer Podcast Jun 05, 2026 72 min
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About this episode

Damien Daly joins the Car Dealer Podcast to unpack how dealer groups, investment stakes and EV buying signals are reshaping the UK market. The hosts start with Vertu’s mystery investor revealed as Constellation Automotive Group, then pivot to UK manufacturing chatter around Nissan’s Sunderland capacity and Chery’s potential arrival—“Chinese speed.” The conversation also explores why drivers are warming to Chinese brands: clearer, fairer, easier dealership experiences, strong parts availability, and the reassurance of OEM-backed warranties.

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Term

electric SUV

"Inevitably, it was an electric SUV as everything is these days."

An electric SUV is a bigger family-style car that runs on electricity rather than gas. The host is using it to explain what kind of car they were driving.

Term

driving impressions embargo

"But I have to be careful here because I can't break the embargo, the driving impressions embargo on this car."

A driving impressions embargo is a rule that says you can’t share your review of a new car until the embargo lifts. It’s basically a coordinated release date for media.

Car

Alpine A390 GTS

"So it was the Alpine A390 GTS. It was in Italy the launch."

The Alpine A390 GTS is a new Alpine electric car that was introduced in Italy. The host is saying they drove it on a track and felt unwell during the session.

Term

Titan twisty test track

"It was 40 degrees and I had 10 laps of this Titan twisty test track."

A twisty test track is a route with lots of turns. The host is saying they drove the car on a track like that for testing.

Term

drifts

"We were encouraged to switch everything off so we could do all the drifts and everything."

Drifting is a driving technique where the car intentionally over-rotates so the tires slide while the driver maintains control and direction. It’s often used in controlled test environments to evaluate stability and traction systems under extreme conditions.

Term

brake horsepower

"But I found, because it was one of those cars that makes absolutely no noise whatsoever, like 800 brake horsepower cars. So it is quick."

Brake horsepower is a way of measuring how much power an engine makes. Higher numbers usually mean the car can accelerate harder.

Term

overtaking

"You exploit gaps and you don't think we're there overtaking people. But it's absolutely emotionless."

Overtaking means passing another car. The point here is that the car can still pass quickly, even if it doesn’t sound exciting.

Term

lack of noise

"Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head there, John. Yeah, lack of noise. Pequilla, isn't it?"

Electric cars are often much quieter than gas cars. If you can’t hear the engine, it can feel like you’re not going as fast—even if you are.

Brand

Audi

"And so, anyway, so I went into cars, [381.1s] started my career with Audi. [383.3s] I was there for about four years after leaving university."

Audi is a car brand from Germany. The speaker is saying they started their career working for Audi.

Brand

Alfa Romeo

"Then I moved to Alfa Romeo, [389.0s] and, you know, I absolutely love all things Italian. [395.8s] I'm a massive Alfisti. [398.9s] And then was fortunate to kind of really grip in and work hard. [403.8s] And I remember when I first started, [407.1s] I thought, I really want to run this company one day, [409.0s] and I ended up progressing to MD of Alfa, [411.6s] which was fantastic."

Alfa Romeo is an Italian car brand. The speaker says they worked there after Audi and eventually became a top manager.

Brand

Jeep

"I'm a massive Alfisti. [398.9s] And then was fortunate to kind of really grip in and work hard. [403.8s] And I remember when I first started, [407.1s] I thought, I really want to run this company one day, [409.0s] and I ended up progressing to MD of Alfa, [411.6s] which was fantastic. [414.8s] And I've also headed up Jeep in the UK."

Jeep is a car brand best known for SUVs. The speaker says they led Jeep’s business in the UK.

Place

Turin

"three o'clock every Monday morning, catching a flight, [435.4s] and arriving in Turin. [439.0s] You know, I'd been in a taxi,"

Turin is a city in Italy. The speaker says they were commuting there for their job.

Car

Alfa Romeo Spider

"...e Italian, because I still do have my 30-year-old Alfa Romeo Spider, which is my kind of pride and joy, which I, but ..."

The Alfa Romeo Spider is a small Italian convertible, meaning you can drive with the top down. It’s known for being fun to drive and for its classic look. The podcast mentions it because it’s a car some people keep and enjoy for many years.

Company

Stellantis

"of having the backup of Stellantis, which is the world's fourth largest automaker."

Stellantis is a big car company that makes lots of different brands. Here, it’s being used as a sign that a Chinese brand would have strong support behind it.

Term

USP

"And equally for customers, it's a real USP, because there are lots of Chinese."

USP means “unique selling proposition.” It’s the main reason someone would choose one brand over others—here, the idea that there’s strong support behind it.

Term

warranties

"Lots of them are given really long warranties. [818.1s] Are they still going to be here at the end of the warranty?"

A warranty is the guarantee that the company will pay for certain repairs for a set time. The host is basically asking whether the brand will still exist when that time runs out.

Company

LeapMotor International

"And our LeapMotor International, which is everywhere LeapMotor external of China, [852.6s] is a 51% shareholding for Stellantis."

Leapmotor International is Leapmotor’s business outside China. The speaker says Stellantis owns 51% of it, meaning Stellantis has majority control.

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parts availability

"So, I mean, we launched with, I think it was 96% parts availability from day one. And there were existing OEMs in this country, which would give the right arm for that."

Parts availability means how easy it is to get replacement parts when something breaks or after an accident. If parts are available quickly, repairs happen faster and cars don’t spend months waiting.

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OEMs

"So, I mean, we launched with, I think it was 96% parts availability from day one. And there were existing OEMs in this country, which would give the right arm for that."

OEMs are the original makers of the cars and their parts. When a brand has good OEM support, it can usually get parts and help more easily when repairs are needed.

Brand

Peugeot

"are all with existing slantist partners, and all OEMs exist, coupled with whether it be Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen, those are kind of the main ones really."

Peugeot is a big European car brand. It’s mentioned because the dealer network is connected to established brands that already have parts and service systems in place.

Brand

Vauxhall

"are all with existing slantist partners, and all OEMs exist, coupled with whether it be Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen, those are kind of the main ones really."

Vauxhall is a well-known car brand in the UK. Here it’s mentioned because the dealer network is tied into existing mainstream brands and their support systems.

Brand

Citroen

"coupled with whether it be Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen, those are kind of the main ones really. Also, Jeep to an extent."

Citroën is a European car brand. The speaker brings it up to show these dealerships already handle established brands, which helps with repairs and parts.

Term

PHEV

"Second point is, and by the way, you know, Chinese are mainly 75% ICE slash PHEV. So we're sort of bucking that trend."

PHEV is a plug-in hybrid. You can charge it like an electric car, and it also has a regular engine for longer trips when the battery runs low.

Term

retail mix

"we are nearly 70%, I think it's 68.3% retail mix versus an industry average for BEV sales of about 25%."

Retail mix is how a company’s sales are split up—like what portion of their customer sales are electric versus other types. In this case, they’re saying their electric share is higher than average.

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BEV

"Second point is that basically, we are nearly 70%, I think it's 68.3% retail mix versus an industry average for BEV sales of about 25%."

BEV means battery electric vehicle. It’s a fully electric car that runs on a battery you charge, not a gas engine.

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incrementality

"Another number coming back to my point about the incrementality is that basically, as I said, we profiled, so we profiled these retail, a large bulk of these retail customers of which,"

Incrementality means “did this action create extra customers or sales?” rather than just shifting people from one brand to another. They’re arguing their deals are attracting new buyers.

Term

finance deal

"And the reason why they go through Stellantis Financial Services is because they're buying a finance deal, which makes sense if you're buying an electric car for all the reasons"

A finance deal is when you don’t pay the full car price upfront—you make payments over time. The host is saying that’s a big reason people use Stellantis’s financing.

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offers are good

"which makes sense if you're buying an electric car for all the reasons which we all know because the offers are good, RVs on electric cars doesn't matter"

“Offers are good” here means the company is running attractive deals—like discounts or better financing terms. They’re saying those deals help more people choose electric cars.

Term

RVs

"because the offers are good, RVs on electric cars doesn't matter whether it's a Porsche or whatever is not necessarily amazing compared to ICE today."

RVs means residual values, basically what the car is expected to be worth in the future. The speaker is saying that for electric cars, that future value isn’t as scary as it used to be.

Term

battery

"as far as buying the battery plant and I think he was wise probably not to go any further because"

In an electric car, the battery is what stores the electricity that runs the motor. The speaker is saying that batteries are important enough that companies would need to secure supply.

Concept

one spec of standards

"So rather than having the typical, I don't know, three or four different versions of each car, that's why we chose to only have one. So it's super simple."

The idea here is that instead of many different versions of the same car, you get one straightforward setup. That makes it easier to know what you’re buying and how much it costs.

Term

21-inch sport wheels

"It's like, how's that happen? Oh yeah, but it's got 21-inch sport wheels. It's got a sport pack and it's got like none of that."

21-inch sport wheels are bigger rims on the car. They can make the car look more aggressive and can affect how the ride feels compared with smaller wheels.

Term

sport pack

"Oh yeah, but it's got 21-inch sport wheels. It's got a sport pack and it's got like none of that."

A sport pack is a bundle of upgrades sold together, usually to make the car look sportier and sometimes to add extra features. The speaker is saying they don’t want customers dealing with lots of different add-on packages.

Term

ICE

"And by the way, you can drive an EV for probably less than you're paying for your current ICE."

ICE just means a normal gas or diesel engine—one that burns fuel to make power. The speaker is saying you might pay less for an electric car than you do for a typical gas car.

Term

EV

"And by the way, you can drive an EV for probably less than you're paying for your current ICE."

EV means electric vehicle. It runs on electricity stored in a battery instead of a gas engine.

Term

C segment SUV

"There's no compromise on the size of the car because, trust me, I can give you a C segment SUV, spec the nines for a price, frankly speaking, which is crazy."

C-segment is a way of grouping cars by size—here, a compact SUV category. The point is that even for a car in that size range, pricing can get complicated if you offer lots of different versions.

Term

warranty

"All with the peace of mind and the backup of eight or four year warranty and you could say why four?"

A warranty is coverage that helps pay for certain repairs if something goes wrong. In this case, they’re talking about a longer warranty for the battery than for the rest of the car.

Car

Oldsmobile Intrigue

"...ything more from them. But it does raise a lot of intrigue, doesn't it, of what is Constellation's game plan..."

The Oldsmobile Intrigue is a regular mid-size car (a sedan), not a sports car or a truck. It was made for everyday driving and comfort. The podcast mentions it because it’s an older model that can lead to questions about why certain cars were offered.

Term

memorandum of understanding

"I'm trying to squeeze in a few more. I will talk about the news from Sunderland this week, which is that Nissan have signed, this is a lovely business speak, a memorandum of understanding which is non-binding, but they've signed a document with Cherry."

A memorandum of understanding is basically a “we’re interested in doing this” document. It’s not the same as a signed, final deal, so the plan can still change.

Brand

Cherry

"which is that Nissan have signed... but they've signed a document with Cherry. Cherry, of course, the enormous Chinese conglomerate behind Cherry."

Chery is a Chinese car company. The episode is talking about the possibility that Chery could make cars in the UK, using Nissan’s Sunderland factory capacity.

Brand

Omoda

"Cherry, of course, the enormous Chinese conglomerate behind Cherry. Jakku, Omoda, Lepas, or whatever it's called,"

Omoda is a brand name within the Chery group. Think of it like a separate “car label” that Chery uses for certain models.

Place

Nissan Sunderland plant

"With a view that Cherry could start building cars at the Nissan Sunderland plant. So how that would work."

The Nissan Sunderland plant is the UK factory in Sunderland, England, where Nissan has historically produced multiple models. The host explains that Nissan is consolidating production lines and leaving capacity open, which could allow Chery to build cars there if talks progress.

Car

Nissan Leaf

"...underland that makes all the Nissan cash cars and leafs and so on, because there's not really enough dema..."

The Nissan Leaf is an all-electric car, which means it runs on electricity instead of gas. It’s made for normal daily driving, like commuting and errands. People mention it when they’re talking about how many buyers want electric cars.

Brand

JLR

"I think Cherry has been making noises about making stuff in the UK, whether that's at JLR plants, because of course Cherry and JLR have this tie up."

JLR is Jaguar Land Rover, a car company that makes Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles. The host is saying Chery has some kind of relationship with them, which could matter for where Chery manufactures cars.

Brand

MG

"I don't know why I'll tie in another story here, which is that MG has confirmed this week that they're going to open or they're going to take over a plant in Spain to produce something like 120,000 cars a year and create 2,000 jobs."

MG is a car brand. In this segment, they’re talking about MG expanding production in Spain and hiring more people to build cars.

Brand

Leak Motor

"I think this is actually a new plant for MG. Leak Motor, of course, has plans to start making things. I think in Spain, am I right, Damien?"

This sounds like a transcription slip for another Chinese car maker. The point is that several Chinese brands are planning to build cars in Spain.

Term

Chinese speed

"Yeah, so it was kind of like what we were talking about [3334.1s] earlier, actually, this kind of, they actually call it Chinese speed. So I think a couple of [3340.6s] points here, because I think it's a wider discussion rather than just, I mean, it's very"

“Chinese speed” means Chinese car companies can move faster when they see what buyers want. The hosts are comparing that to how slower European companies can be to change direction.

Concept

integrate into European factories

"So now the next thing is, how is that going to integrate into European factories? And I have to say, you're absolutely right in terms of Spain for Leak Motor, but actually Leak Motor was the first Chinese manufacturer to start manufacturing in Europe in Poland."

This means fitting a company’s production plans into existing car factories in Europe. It usually takes changes to equipment, suppliers, and processes so the cars can be built there efficiently.

Term

economy to scale

"because once you're committed to a factory, you're committing over a long, long time, because otherwise you wouldn't get your economy to scale."

It means making lots of the same thing usually gets cheaper per unit. For car factories, producing more helps spread the big setup costs across more cars.

Term

launch party

"they would wait until everything was 100% spic and span, everything had been audited to within an inch of its life. And I don't have a launch party, a launch party handing out Prosecco and all this kind of stuff."

A “launch party” is a marketing event where a company shows something new to the public. In car dealerships, it’s the kind of hype event you might see when a new brand or model is being introduced.

Concept

reviews

"we started to study it. I think it links all your points, really, is because I think consumers are looking at how they buy in different ways. So actually, I think everyone's looking at reviews, rather than necessarily the traditional means."

“Reviews” means what other people say about a car or dealership online. The point is that more buyers are trusting those opinions instead of relying only on traditional sales channels.

Brand

Carblow

"So actually, Carblow is a really, really interesting concept. Certainly some of it we're going to spend a lot of time studying and maximizing."

Carblow is being talked about as a concept for how people decide what to buy. The idea is that reviews and recommendations strongly influence car shopping.

Term

word of mouth endorsement

"So there's nothing better in life than word of mouth endorsement. So if we deliver an amazing, really good experience or we exceed expectation, and I think the other point is, if you turn up at a friend's house..."

This means people recommending a car because they liked it. If your friends hear good things from someone they trust, they’re more likely to believe the car is worth it.

Term

Chinese cars

"I need to study the data. I don't know why all the Chinese brands are in the top 10. Obviously, we're very pleased to be number four and we'll take that."

They mean cars made by Chinese brands. The point is that more drivers are starting to like them, not just because they cost less.

Car

Alpina B10

"...walking into a showroom and paying 30 grand for a B10, for example, other league motors are available, ..."

The Alpina B10 is a luxury car that’s been upgraded to feel faster and more special than a standard version. It’s meant for drivers who want comfort but also better performance. The podcast brings it up to talk about higher-end pricing and what kind of car you’re getting.

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