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Volkswagen's drastic cuts, expensive Chinese cars and Skywell leaves UK with Sam Zales - episode 266

Volkswagen's drastic cuts, expensive Chinese cars and Skywell leaves UK with Sam Zales - episode 266

Car Dealer Podcast Jul 10, 2026 72 min
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About this episode

Dealers in Gosport are seeing a surprisingly healthy market: imports (especially Japanese small automatics), Volkswagen Up/Polo sales, and plenty of Jimny demand, with part-exchange helping manage stock shortages. The host also shares a feel-good charity campaign where followers chose a local cause supporting elderly residents. Guest Sam Zales from CarGurus discusses the platform’s transparency-first approach—ranking listings by relevance rather than who pays most—and how that model is spreading in the UK/Canada. The conversation ties industry change to consumer expectations and dealer growth.

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imports

"I mean, we're still doing a lot of imports. So still specializing in those Japanese imports."

Here, “imports” means cars that are brought in from outside the country. Dealers mention it because getting enough stock can be harder depending on where the cars come from.

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small automatics

"They seem to have been very popular. So small automatics are doing well for us. Little Volkswagen ups have been flying out the door."

“Small automatics” are compact cars with an automatic gearbox. They’re often easier to drive in stop-and-go traffic because you don’t have to use a clutch.

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Car

Volkswagen Ups

"Little Volkswagen ups have been flying out the door. A few polos we've sold and some some Jimneys quite."

The Volkswagen up! is a small, city-friendly car. It’s the kind of car people buy when they want something easy to drive and park, usually with lower day-to-day costs.

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Car

Polo

"Little Volkswagen ups have been flying out the door. A few polos we've sold and some some Jimneys quite."

The Volkswagen Polo is a popular small car. Because it’s so common, dealers often see lots of them coming in and out through trade-ins.

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part exchange

"We've taken quite a few UK Jimneys in part exchange against some of those Japanese import ones we've done, which means we're dealing with a slightly different buyer."

A part exchange is when a dealer takes your current car as credit toward the purchase of another car. It’s common in UK car sales and can help dealers manage inventory when sourcing stock is difficult.

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all-in pricing

"which is the Federal Trade Commission in the US. [1087.0s] I'm not sure you've been following this story. [1089.3s] In the US has said, we're going to lock down on pricing in all in pricing in our market."

All-in pricing is the full price you’ll actually pay, including the extra fees. The idea is to stop dealerships from advertising a lower number and then adding more charges at the end.

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documentation fees

"So dealers, if you're not disclosing full fees and you know that in the US, you can, [1101.6s] and I'm not sure if there's a similar regulating body in the UK, [1105.7s] but if you're not displaying all of your documentation fees, any other fees you're"

Documentation fees are extra charges a dealership adds for handling the paperwork. They can make the final price higher than the number you first saw.

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consumer complaints

"we're going to force it because we've seen consumer complaints about the ability to [1116.1s] walk into a dealership and say, well, the price was listed at 20,000 pounds, but you're telling me"

Consumer complaints here refer to reported issues about how vehicle prices are presented—especially when advertised prices don’t include all mandatory fees. This kind of feedback can trigger regulatory scrutiny and enforcement actions.

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no price analysis

"we're going to go out front and say, if dealers are not disclosing their fees on our site, [1138.4s] you're going to get a no price analysis, which means your lead volume is going to be heard,"

“No price analysis” sounds like the platform won’t show pricing details for dealers that aren’t being transparent about fees. That can make it harder for those dealers to attract buyers.

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lead volume

"you're going to get a no price analysis, which means your lead volume is going to be heard, [1142.3s] because I want to help the dealers who are transparent and doing the right thing in compliance."

Lead volume is how many potential buyers a dealer gets through a website or advertising channel. If a dealer isn’t following the rules, they may get fewer leads.

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late model stock

"And as you said earlier, James, acquiring vehicles and getting late [1158.6s] model stock is extremely hard. So I think we're trying to help our dealers"

Late model stock means newer cars—recent model years. When it’s hard to get, dealers can’t keep their lots filled with the newest vehicles.

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ROI

"I hope there's again, number one in ROI will build something that works for our partners."

ROI stands for Return on Investment, a metric used to judge whether spending on a product or program is worth the cost. The speaker ties it to building products that deliver value for dealer partners.

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CRM

"We built a product called Shopper Signals in the US, which gives into the CRM all of the information of that consumer shopping pattern."

CRM is a computer system dealerships use to manage customer leads and follow-ups. It helps sales teams keep track of who’s interested and what they want.

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lead submitted

"I did submit a lead on that Audi A4, but I also submitted a lead for a BMW 3 Series at these three other dealerships."

A lead submitted is basically a customer inquiry that gets sent to a dealer to contact and try to sell to. Here, they’re talking about sending those leads to dealerships when shoppers are close to buying.

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Car

Audi A4

"...mer shopping pattern. I did submit a lead on that Audi A4, but I also submitted a lead for a BMW 3 Series a..."

The Audi A4 is a luxury sedan, meaning it’s built to feel more comfortable and higher-end than a regular car. It’s a common choice for people comparing similar luxury sedans. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the speaker submitted a lead for one.

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Bmw 3

"...n that Audi A4, but I also submitted a lead for a BMW 3 Series at these three other dealerships. That hel..."

The BMW 3 Series is a luxury car in the “compact sedan” category. People often consider it when they want a nicer interior and a more engaging drive than a basic car. In the podcast, it’s brought up because the speaker submitted interest leads for it at several dealerships.

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mystery shopping capability

"We built a mystery shopping capability, which we've now started to build in the UK."

Mystery shopping is when someone tests a dealership’s sales process to see how well they respond to customers. Here, they’re saying they’re building that kind of capability in the UK.

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AI driven tool set

"It's all agentic. It's all AI driven tool set, but the consumer put in these specific requirements and your salesperson only didn't just ask generic questions."

This is a set of tools that uses AI to help with sales follow-up. The idea is that the system can respond more specifically to what the customer asked for.

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funnel

"You want to come down funnel because you'll close them more effectively."

A sales funnel is the steps from first interest to buying the car. They’re saying salespeople should guide the customer through those steps to improve closing rates.

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Company

Auto Trader

"with more than 84 million consumer visits every month, it connects us with more engaged car buyers and delivers more deals than anyone else in the UK."

Auto Trader is a website in the UK where people shop for cars. In this segment, it’s also being used by dealers to understand buyers better and generate more sales leads.

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buying signals

"And now with the launch of buying signals, we'll have brand new insights on every deal showing how likely a customer is to buy the car they're interested in."

“Buying signals” are clues from data that suggest whether a shopper is likely to actually buy a car. Dealers can use that to focus their time on the most promising leads.

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Topic

Card Dealer Magazine

"So James and I have both picked our favourite stories of the week that have appeared on Card Dealer Magazine, and we're going to take it in turns to talk about them."

They’re pulling story ideas from a magazine called Card Dealer Magazine. It’s mainly used to set up what news they’ll talk about.

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reduce complexity

"which is the news about Volkswagen and how they've said they're going to cut models up to 50% and reduce complexity."

“Reduce complexity” in an automaker context usually means simplifying the number of models, variants, platforms, and parts used across the lineup. That can lower costs and make manufacturing and supply chains easier, but it often leads to workforce and dealer disruption when production plans change.

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Person

Bloom

"And some sources have said that Bloom, who's the CEO, is considering shutting four factories, which is, I'm not, I'm not going to try and say them..."

They mention the company’s CEO making decisions about factories. When a CEO shuts factories, it can mean fewer cars are built and sold through dealers.

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equipment options

"on the most attractive segments, but also things like massively cutting the equipment options, reducing them up by up to 75%."

“Equipment options” are the add-on features and packages you can choose when buying a car. If a company cuts them, the car gets simpler to build, but buyers may have fewer choices.

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Porsche

"This isn't just Volkswagen, this is also Audi and Porsche. And this sort of, this follows on from them already saying they were going to cut stuff."

Porsche is a well-known performance car brand. In this discussion, it’s mentioned as being part of the same group-wide changes affecting what cars and options get offered.

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tariffs to the US

"selling cars in China, tariffs to the US have really, really hit them hard."

Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. If tariffs rise, it can make it harder for certain cars to be sold profitably across borders.

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Chinese car makers

"They've really suffered against Chinese car makers, selling cars in China, tariffs to the US have really, really hit them hard."

“Chinese car makers” are car companies from China. The point here is that they’ve become strong competitors, making it harder for European brands to sell as well.

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market share

"And I mean, around the world, but just here in the UK, the Chinese brands that have come in have stolen huge amounts of market share."

Market share means how much of the car-buying market a brand takes. If Chinese brands take more market share, it can hurt other brands’ sales and profits.

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Company

Volkswagen Group

"Obviously, Volkswagen Group is a big group. So when they have to make changes, they are on a larger scale than others."

Volkswagen Group is the big company behind several car brands. If they change their plans, it can impact lots of different models sold through dealers.

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model line up

"The interesting one that really piqued my interest was the fact that they're talking about reducing their model line up by 50%."

A “model lineup” is the list of different car models a brand sells. Cutting it by half means the brand plans to sell far fewer different cars going forward.

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product development

"Porsche has had lots of questions about where their product development is going and where they are."

Product development is how a car company plans and builds its next vehicles. It includes deciding what to make, how to engineer it, and what features to focus on.

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tariff situation

"But talking in more general terms, the tariff situation, I'm not a big fan, I'm not going to get political here."

A tariff is a tax on imported products. If cars from another country get taxed, the dealer and manufacturer often have to charge more, so the cars can end up costing more to you.

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Chinese manufacturers

"I'm sure we'll get into other stories on the Chinese brands, even the announcement just today that the Senate will be taking up... a pathway to prevent the Chinese manufacturers from getting into our market."

“Chinese manufacturers” refers to automakers based in China that are expanding into other markets. Their competitiveness is often discussed in terms of cost structure and manufacturing efficiency, which can influence pricing and market share abroad.

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capitalization structure

"So for Volkswagen that doesn't have the same capitalization structure that a GM or Ford is and Ford and GM are worried about that, we've got to think that this is a more widespread activity in the market."

This is basically how a company is funded—how much it relies on loans versus investors. The host is saying some companies are set up better than others to handle big market changes.

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AI

"Just like we did using AI, you've got to get out there in the market and figure out how do you change your products."

AI is computer software that can learn patterns and help make decisions or automate tasks. The host is using it as an example of how companies can use new tech to improve efficiency.

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transformation

"And we talk about it as transformation, things that used to be done by people this way. You don't have to eliminate jobs, but change what they're doing for more value."

Here, “transformation” means a company has to change how it does things—like updating what it builds and how it delivers value. The idea is to adapt instead of just cutting people.

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OEMs

"But from a consumer perspective, the OEMs have said, we're not going to pass on the tariffs to our consumers."

OEMs are the companies that actually make the cars. In this discussion, they’re deciding whether extra import taxes will show up in the price you pay.

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handbrake

"but you were very, very bad. But I don't really think I can judge the whole experience on me getting in it and not being able to find the handbrake because there isn't one."

The handbrake is what keeps a car from rolling when it’s parked. Some newer cars use an electronic parking brake instead of a lever, so it may not be where you expect.

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electronic parking brake

"I couldn't move the car... But I don't really think I can judge the whole experience on me getting in it and not being able to find the handbrake because there isn't one."

An electronic parking brake is a parking-brake system that works with a button or switch, not a traditional lever. It can feel unfamiliar at first if you’re used to older cars.

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Brand

Skywell

"The Skywell dealers have been left in limbo, according to our news story, after the importer Innovation Automotive has ceased trading. This is Skywell is one of the many brands that have entered the UK."

Skywell is a car brand from China that tried to sell cars in the UK through local dealers. The episode says those dealers got stuck when the company importing Skywell cars into the UK shut down.

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left in limbo

"The Skywell dealers have been left in limbo, according to our news story, after the importer Innovation Automotive has ceased trading."

“Left in limbo” means the dealers don’t know what happens next. They’re stuck waiting because the business relationships that normally support the brand have broken down.

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Company

Innovation Automotive

"The Skywell dealers have been left in limbo, according to our news story, after the importer Innovation Automotive has ceased trading."

Innovation Automotive is the company that was importing Skywell cars into the UK. When it stopped trading, it left Skywell dealers without clear support or supply.

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importer

"The Skywell dealers have been left in limbo, according to our news story, after the importer Innovation Automotive has ceased trading."

Here, an importer is the company that brings a car brand into the UK and helps make sure cars can be sold through dealers. If that company shuts down, dealers can be left without cars or support.

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ceased trading

"The Skywell dealers have been left in limbo, according to our news story, after the importer Innovation Automotive has ceased trading."

“Ceased trading” means the company has stopped business operations. In car terms, that can leave dealers without a functioning supply chain or support.

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BYD

"If you look at the June market figures... BYD alone, they secured 3% of the UK market... That was more than Coupre, Dacia, Honda, Land Rover, Mazda, and Mini, not combined, but individually."

BYD is a Chinese car brand that’s selling a lot of cars in the UK. The episode uses BYD’s sales numbers to show that some Chinese brands are doing very well, even though others aren’t.

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JQ

"BYD alone, they secured 3% of the UK market... JQ wasn't far behind. This is a brand that wasn't even here in January, only launched January last year."

JQ is another Chinese car brand the hosts say is doing well in the UK. They mention it had only recently launched, but it was already selling enough to be near BYD’s numbers in June.

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negative equity

"You've got it. I mean, negative equity is the biggest issue right now for consumers with what they own and what they want to get into."

Negative equity means your car is worth less than what you still owe on it. So when you try to change cars, the “extra” you owe can make the new deal cost more.

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test driving

"We are prevented in this country from test driving, seeing any of those vehicles, because the market in particular, the legislation and the legislators who came from auto industry,"

Test driving is the consumer practice of driving a vehicle before buying to evaluate comfort, drivability, and fit for real-world conditions. In this segment, it’s mentioned as being restricted for certain Chinese brands, which can affect how easily shoppers can compare alternatives.

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average price point

"$50,000 is the average price point for a new car. You just can't afford it."

“Average price point” just means the typical price level people are paying. They’re using it to say new cars are getting expensive, so fewer people can afford them.

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free market

"Again, I'm a free markets guy, find a way to, you know, balance that and get those vehicles in."

“Free market” means businesses and customers decide what sells, with less government interference. Here, they’re arguing that rules may be making it harder for certain car brands to compete.

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Topic

US regulation affecting Chinese EV brands

"And I think instead, if we got a little bit more free market... And I think this legislation... is more legislation being proposed for all Chinese brands to be regulated out."

They’re talking about US laws that could make it harder for certain Chinese car brands to sell. They link that to what’s going on with Polestar and the broader EV market.

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Chinese brands

"we think about the Chinese brands and those players not saying we can regulate in or out, let's do what the consumer wants and make it work."

“Chinese brands” means car companies from China. The speaker is saying new rules may be proposed to limit how these brands can sell in the US.

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Brand

V12 sports and classics

"all the remaining new car stock has been sold to V12 sports and classics, including all of their press and demo fleet."

V12 sports and classics is a dealer that snapped up the remaining cars that were still sitting in the market. It’s an example of how used-car businesses can step in when new-car supply gets disrupted.

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Brand

BYUD

"Denza is the premium side to BYUD, which I was slightly surprised that you didn't choose BYUD as the one that you would go for."

BYD is a big Chinese car company. The hosts say Denza is BYD’s premium brand, meaning Denza is positioned as the higher-end arm of the same parent group.

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Place

Goodwood

"But they've properly unveiled their Z Supercar at Goodwood. I was looking at this the other day,"

Goodwood is a famous UK event venue for cars and motorsport. If a brand unveils a new car there, it’s usually meant to get a lot of attention from enthusiasts and the media.

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Denza

"I've just seen the prices of the new Denza. That is ambitious."

Denza is a Chinese car brand that makes electric cars. The host is pointing out that Denza’s prices in the UK are surprisingly high compared with what people expect to pay for Chinese EVs.

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Denza Z Coupe

"They do start from £142,900 for the Z Coupe, but I mean, I don't want to be mean about them, but I'll or about MG, but I can't imagine it's going to be more impressive than a Cybster."

The Denza Z Coupe is an electric coupe from the Chinese brand Denza. The host mentions its starting price and then questions whether enough people will actually pay that much for a Chinese electric sports car.

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brake horsepower

"What I was trying to say is $1,582 brake horsepower. I mean, that's quite a lot of brake horsepower."

Brake horsepower is a way of measuring how much power a car’s engine makes. The host is saying the car’s power number is huge, even though they don’t think it will sell.

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0-60

"The racing model will do 0-60 in 1.96 seconds. Do you think people will actually want to buy it, though, for that?"

0-60 is a simple acceleration test: how fast the car goes from 0 to 60 mph. The host is using it to show the car is claimed to be very quick, but they doubt people will actually buy it.

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electric sports car

"I think if they're kidding themselves that someone's going to spend £172,000 on an electric sports car from China. I don't think so."

An electric sports car is a fast, performance-focused car powered by electricity. The host is saying people may not want to pay premium prices for a Chinese electric sports car.

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Brand

Pagani

"We'll see, because when you think about the volumes that like a Pagani or whatever, obviously that's a lot more expensive, but people do buy them for the fact that they are the fastest thing."

Pagani is a very expensive Italian supercar brand that makes small numbers of cars. The host uses it as an example of why people might pay huge money—because the cars are top-tier performers.

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Jaguar

"So I wonder if there will be some people out there and it will be interesting from the point of view of we have talked about it so much, but the Jaguar electric car that we all go like, who really wants to buy that?"

Jaguar is a British luxury car brand. The host is talking about Jaguar’s electric car and wondering who would actually want it, since it’s different from what many buyers expect.

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Motability Scheme

"What I predict is you'll see them on the Motability Scheme very soon. [3564.7s] I was going to say, good news, people who are interested six months from now,"

In the UK, the Motability Scheme is a program that helps people with mobility needs get a car on a lease. If a car is available through it, more people can access it more easily.

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Company

Piston heads

"Affordability, [3576.5s] No, no, I think that's great. And I think you hit the main point. Affordability, [3580.8s] good car is where the mass market wants to be. We have a piston heads business that, you know, [3585.6s] is just an incredible following for premium vehicles."

PistonHeads is a car website that caters to car enthusiasts. The point here is that it has a big audience for premium cars.

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auction business

"for premium vehicles. And they have an auction business. [3592.4s] We sold in AC Cobra last week for £117,000."

An auction business sells cars by letting buyers bid against each other. The highest bid wins, which can help find the right buyer for expensive cars.

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Car

Ac Cobra

"And they have an auction business. [3592.4s] We sold in AC Cobra last week for £117,000. [3606.2s] selling capabilities for those who find, ooh, this isn't exactly what I wanted."

The AC Cobra is a famous classic sports car. It’s being mentioned because the speaker says they sold one recently for a very high price.

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Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"It's a tough sell. But then some people over here buy Corvettes, [3633.8s] there's a market for it. [3637.3s] But sorry, no, that was mean again."

Corvette is a well-known American sports car from Chevrolet. The speaker is saying that even if something is niche, there are still people who want it.

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Deal Builder

"there was a lot of feedback given to auto trader. They've set these up off the back of that controversy surrounding Deal Builder and some of the other things that [3671.6s] "

Deal Builder is an online car-deal configuration and pricing tool associated with Auto Trader. The speaker says Auto Trader set up customer advisory groups in response to controversy around Deal Builder, implying it affected how buyers build or price deals.

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price flags controversy

"One of them, which is most controversial has been over the years of the price flags... But what they don't like is the colours... it'll be interesting to see what happens."

They’re debating a feature on a car-selling website that uses colors to judge whether a car’s price looks good or overpriced. The show also covers a possible change to make those colors less harsh.

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traffic light colour system

"but that these traffic light systems where red is a warning us maybe maybe going to be taken away."

It’s the same idea as traffic lights: green means good/okay, yellow means caution, and red means warning. In car ads, it’s used to show whether the price seems low, fair, or high.

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original price instant market value

"Yeah, I as I said earlier, there were dealers in the US that didn't want you walking [3821.5s] in their door when we created the original price instant market value. As I said earlier, you [3827.9s] know, I give all credit to you know, our founder Langley and how we built the business."

It’s a pricing method that tries to estimate what a car is worth using market info and shows you that number right away. The goal is to make pricing feel more straightforward instead of something you have to negotiate with a dealer.

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complete transparency

"What we think we do [3868.6s] differently and why I think there's a challenge and I applaud a competitor trying to follow our [3874.8s] approach to complete transparency on all ratings."

Here, “complete transparency” means the site shows buyers all the important info about a car, not just a simplified rating. The point is to help shoppers make decisions with less guesswork.

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ratings

"approach to complete transparency on all ratings. Great, good, fair, overpriced is one you said [3883.0s] we've got to sell to every consumer."

“Ratings” are the labels a car marketplace uses to tell you how good or bad a vehicle is. The host is saying that if not every car gets a rating, shoppers don’t get the full picture.

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sort order

"So it's the ratings, it's the sort order and it's providing the search capability [3944.4s] for a consumer to see everything."

“Sort order” refers to how search results are ranked and displayed in the listing interface. The speaker treats it as part of transparency because it affects what consumers see first and how easily they can compare options.

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Concept

race to the bottom

"James I couldn't be more proud that you do that that is that point of it's not a race to the bottom what is the go back to our original founding"

“Race to the bottom” means people try to win by cutting things to the lowest possible level. In this conversation, they’re saying they don’t want to compete by undercutting on price or service.

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EV

"and speed car that comes EV from China I'm very interested to hear"

EV just means an electric car. Instead of using gasoline, it runs on electricity stored in a battery.

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