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Yeah, I don't know this, I talked to Spike,

I did his show to whore out the NSX.

He's like, can you come to a show?

I was like, if I can spend 20 minutes talking

about how nice my own car is, then I will.

But he said he had it right before me,

the three-week chest congestion that just doesn't go away.

Wow.

That's what it is.

I'm now at two weeks in a day.

Two thirds of the way.

So I'll be fine in six days, seven days.

January.

Yeah, new year.

New year, new non-having a chest congestion.

I hope so.

That's a long time.

You tend to have a very resilient immune system,

you do.

I don't get sick very often at all.

Yeah, I know, it's weird.

That's a new one for me.

But hi everybody, welcome to the program.

I hope everyone's having a nice day,

whatever the fuck day it is today.

Actually, I mean that in the sense

that I don't know what day this episode will go up.

It was a tomato.

But also, didn't really know what day it was today either.

True.

And that seems silly for most people

to not know what day it is.

But when you have two businesses

that both just exist all the time,

doesn't matter what day it is.

So true.

It doesn't matter what day it is in fucking years.

Yeah, sometimes you're like,

you wanna do a show on Sunday?

I'm like, sure.

Yeah, why not?

We can, yeah.

What does Sunday mean to us?

Absolutely nothing.

Yeah.

It's actually kind of nice.

You get to vacation on weekdays.

You get to do things at, you know,

at least when there's theoretically less people doing them.

Yeah, definitely.

That is a benefit of the,

because the making your own schedule

is a double-edged sword, right?

Right.

On the one hand, like you don't ask nobody to go anywhere.

On the other hand, you just work so much more.

I've never heard an entrepreneur person,

self-employed person say the opposite.

Everyone's just like, you work more than you did.

You work more.

You work more than four hours, yeah.

Yeah.

Your whole life just becomes it,

which is totally fine, but like,

that's just what happens.

The flip side is I can go on vacation

when your fucking kids won't be there.

Right.

Right?

That's what's up.

I can go to the doctor's office when you're not there.

Yeah.

And then, and occasionally I can't.

You know, occasionally I have to do things

when other people do them.

It's horrible.

You know?

Yeah.

Going to Costco at 6 p.m. you go, oh no.

Like if we were really fucking smart,

like if I, you know, if I had my own family,

and you know, like, down family,

you know what I mean?

Children.

Yeah, if I had my own, like, if I had kids.

Down family.

Yeah, like as opposed to like,

I obviously have a family.

The new show on Netflix, Down Family.

I don't mean a different thing

depending on which network it's on.

Some networks, that means like,

people with Down syndrome.

On other, it's like.

Australians.

On another, it's like just general Southerns.

And then other, it's just like really,

it's like the rich cousin and the poor cousin.

And the show's about cousin Eddie

from fucking vacation, basically.

I think it's the people that live in a cave,

but I like yours better.

Yeah.

Yeah, down on, yeah.

Wow.

In a lot of ways we can use the word down today.

No, but also your, yeah, children I guess

is down, down family.

Down family.

This is my down family.

What, your children?

Well, they're lower than me.

They're shorter than me.

No, but the point is, I would use,

if I was the patriarch of a down family,

I would use my status as entrepreneur to be like,

you know what, Christmas is December 11th this year.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like we're having Thanksgiving the first,

the first Tuesday actually of November.

Actually, Sarah's family does that for Christmas.

We go in the, we go to Florida

the first week of Christmas.

Yeah.

Because the flights are cheaper, it's less busy.

We do the gifts.

Everyone's got hats on, we have a great time

and then we go home.

We tried to convince Hannah's parents

to do Thanksgiving on either Wednesday or Friday

so that we could go to both.

Just this one time, not forever.

Her parents were like, fuck no.

They weren't moving shit.

My parents agreed to do a brunch so we could do it.

That was, you know, that was pushing it.

I think your parents win that round.

For being better parents by being more flexible.

Yeah, amenable to that, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think they do.

I think to change Farah's.

Point Farah.

Service.

The Farahs of Greditch win the first round.

Shit, cars though.

Well, I guess we should just lead

with what we did all morning.

Yeah, let's do that.

Which we, do we wanna, we don't wanna show

the end photo though, do we?

I guess not.

We don't wanna spoil it.

Hmm, do you have old photos of when it was a stock?

I should.

You must, you must, somewhere.

I don't delete them until the thing.

Well, the point is, we teased it

and if you're a big Patreon member there

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We've been talking about it for a little bit

but we're doing another giveaway car.

That's the big deal.

And you know, we've done it before.

We did a BMW 135i that was actually a fucking awesome car.

That car ripped.

That thing was really fun.

And we did a Corvette, a C6 Corvette,

that actually still lives locally.

The dude who won it still comes to good vibes

once in a while, lives in Southern California.

So we see that thing around.

I'm glad to see he's been driving it and enjoying it.

But now the game is changed

because we actually partnered with this company

called Dream Giveaways.

And they do a little bit bigger cars.

So we are now doing a Porsche 992 Turbo S.

And this thing fucks.

This is a brand new car.

This was delivered to us with 60 miles on it

in ice gray, which is a fucking awesome color.

I think it elevates as the chalk type of gray.

You know what I mean?

This is sort of a richer, more metallic version

of that type of gray.

Yeah, when it's got side light on it,

like we had this morning,

it really helps show the curves of the car.

Especially in the back, the back fenders are so big.

But it looks good.

It's got a lot of really cool options.

It came with sport design wheels,

which we're showing in this photo right now,

which we've changed.

But the winner will get these wheels too.

And you'll see what wheels we put on it later.

And it's got a kick-ass interior.

It's got a glass sunroof.

It's got a rear wiper.

It's got the good stereo.

It's Bose, not Burmeister,

but it's got PDCC and rear steer and ceramic brakes.

It's got a full leather fucking nose-to-tail leather,

extended leather interior in gray

with contrast yellow stitching, yellow tack,

yellow clock face, really, really cool car.

And the photo we're showing is I took actually,

or maybe Zach took, we both took the same photos.

This is in Zion National Park,

because one of the things we did was do the break-in.

So we broke in the car for you.

So it now has the exact right,

almost to the mile right now,

where you can just get in it and start doing launches,

and you'll be fine.

And you should.

But fucking hell, 911 Turbo S.

Yeah, real expensive.

That's so crazy.

$274,000.

We've raised the cost of our giveaway car by 11?

Something like 10 and a half?

Yeah, I mean, I think the BMW was like 20 grand,

and we put 12 or 13 grand into it.

We sure did, that's true.

And then the Corvette was like about 20 grand also,

and I think we did maybe a little less,

because a little less was broken.

True, yeah, that's true.

I think the labor rate was a little lower

on the Corvette, I think, or not.

No, it wasn't.

They were both nice, but this time,

we are starting with a brand new Turbo.

Yes, exactly.

That's really the important thing here.

This is a nine second car from the factory,

200 mile an hour car.

That Zach and I comfortably did a thousand mile road trip

in in two days.

Yeah, that was amazing.

It was easy.

It was such a good cruise.

Yeah, it was good.

It's got all the good things.

And, dude, I'm sorry I don't have the guy's name handy,

but to the fan that DM'd me on Instagram,

and said, hey, bro, I just learned

that you can rearrange the icons on the dock

on Portia's PCM screen,

and then sent me like a 10 second video clip

of just like an iPhone of a dude like holding and dragging,

like, because I was talking last show about my Taycan,

like, to get to the new Taycan,

you just have to change it.

Yo, I just watched that video.

I walked outside to the driveway,

and I did it in my own car.

I was like, oh, it was amazing.

And this morning we did it in this car.

Well, it's hilarious,

because one of your big complaints about Portia in general,

and yours is like,

you have to go through multiple menus

to get to carplay and back to native and back to carplay.

And then the new one that you tested,

you went, oh, look, they put the carplay button

in the dock, it's right there on the left side.

It's always there.

And on the last show,

we're like, I wonder if you could get it updated

at the dealership.

Maybe they could, you know, hack into the mainframe.

You're joking, they would charge you?

I joke, they would probably charge you 500,

they'd be smart, they'd go, yeah,

we can update the software, it'll be 500 bucks.

And you go, okay, but all they would do

is put their finger on it and just drag it over there

and just drop it in the dock.

It's really interesting that,

because we have an outsized audience

of Portia owners and enthusiasts here,

like just percentage-wise, right?

Like the percentage of TST listeners

that own Portia is higher than the general population.

Probably, yeah.

There's many, there's many people

from a McConn to a fucking Turbo S to a 918.

That's in our audience.

To people who work there.

I've talked about this a few times.

This is not the first time I have discussed this exact thing.

And with much respect and appreciation

to the dude that sent it to me,

that took a while.

No, it should've been left up to him, you know?

That took longer than it should have.

Which to me, doesn't like a failure to communicate.

To me, it means, I bet none of these other people

know this shit either.

I bet, yeah.

I bet that is not something that's educated at the dealer.

Where you can change that.

So like, if you don't, and by the way,

it's not just car play.

Like, if you have a Portia that has the,

I think it's like the, I don't know,

2020 and up screen, whatever.

The one that's like the current one,

but the not newest version of the current one.

That has the array of apps arranged like an iPad would.

Bro, just touch the shit and hold it for like two seconds.

And a little window will pop up that says,

rearrange, question mark.

And then you just, and you can put any icon on the dock.

Which is.

Very handy.

I bet not as many, I mean, someone out there knows it.

And if you did, you should've fucking told me.

But I don't think it's widespread knowledge.

I don't think it's widespread knowledge.

That's the kind of story that like,

a blog would have grabbed

because they needed 10 stories for the day.

Truly.

AI would have written this story

a hundred times for Apple news.

Yeah, I really think that.

And I wonder, maybe someone from Portia

will hear this, they'll reach out and say,

we do not train that in the dealership

because the dealers might not know

that you can move the icons around

or maybe that you can't move them over

across that tiny little border to the dock.

That's right.

What a treat to find out that you can.

Or we're gonna get, or it's that,

it's that nobody knows,

or we're gonna get a hundred comments on this video

that are like, yeah, every car play that you do that.

Of course it does.

No, it's not car play.

That's native, the native system.

Well, you were moving the car play button.

Yeah, but you can move any button.

Oh, right, it is in the native system.

Yeah, it's in the native system.

I didn't have to move the car play button.

I could've used the move the zero to 60 timer button

or fucking weather app button or whatever.

Yeah, I might change all the buttons

just to fuck with Hannah.

Yeah, you should.

Mess with the rest of your down family.

Well, I showed her last night.

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That is, that's a one-step remove.

That's a good score.

That's a free mod.

That's what that is.

Dude, removing a bit of resistance in a system

that you have to use that frequently,

that's all right.

Yeah, definitely.

That's a good day.

I call that a good fuck.

Yeah, I don't like when you're on the screen,

you have swipe from screen one to two

to use the thing you use most frequently.

I wish I had organized it by itself.

That'd be nice.

Most frequent.

Yeah, most frequent.

When you have the triple page of CarPlay,

it always, and it has,

when I use CarPlay in my car,

Harry's lap timer's on there

and just everything, Electrify America,

any app I've ever downloaded

that has a CarPlay function is there.

But I wish it would just shuffle them all

to like here's your most recent on this page.

You know, it's very rare in my CarPlay usage.

I would say that 99% of the time I'm using CarPlay,

the screen that's up is either a GPS screen,

Waze or Google Maps, or the music screen.

I don't spend a lot of time going through,

I don't use a lot of other apps like through CarPlay.

So I guess there's probably a lot of people that do.

There must be a way to arrange them, shits.

I think you could probably just manually drag them around.

Yeah, oh yeah. I think you can.

I've never tried, I've never cared, but like.

I'll have to fuck around, maybe in my system

there's a button that says sort by recent,

or something.

Are we talking about your car?

Yeah.

Okay, cool, cause also asterisk.

Sure.

Chinese hardware with Android that runs Apple stuff.

Yeah, your shits got some like spyware on.

We're not so different, you and I,

we're just trying to rearrange apps together.

You know, just different size of the fence.

My fence is Chainlink, yours is fancy.

We have the same problem.

We both take our trash out.

Yeah.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

I don't, I end, yes, end.

What else do we both do?

We both wipe our bums.

You do that?

I use three seashells.

I'm missing something.

I just use a sprinkler outside.

I had to, Amelia Hartford came over for dinner

the other night, and I was,

as you wanted to see the house,

and I'm giving her, you know, the normal tour,

and she has not seen Demolition Man.

Of course I knew when this was headed.

She's like 20 years old.

Yeah, yeah, and I had, so I have to explain,

you know, this has happened before where you have to,

you know, they go,

I can see that you're doing a bit here,

but just, just, I got nothing.

And then you have to go, so there's a movie.

Yeah.

And in the movie, they use the shells,

and they use the shells to clean the shit off the bum.

Dude, and it does.

It's really funny, I promise.

It doesn't help that, you know,

you've been in that bathroom,

there's a couple of photos from OnSet,

like publicity photos, and they're black and white.

Like it's not, this is like,

this is a color movie, obviously.

It's funny, Sarah and I are only four years apart,

but the number, there's enough things each month

where I go, have you seen this?

She says, no.

And I realize that was enough of a Delta,

like whether it was a cartoon as a kid,

or a movie or whatever.

And now I have much more empathy for my dad

when he would say, have you guys seen Seven Samurai?

And I'd be like, we're 12.

No, and he goes, oh, came out in 58, it's amazing.

Bro, Hannah's, the shit,

Hannah's five years older than me,

which is interestingly the same age

that my mother is older than my father.

It's weird that that happened that way.

But like, my-

No, my dad says this is fair of math at work,

because on average, women live five years longer than men.

So we're just fucking bracket racing.

So you can, you're trying to die at the same time.

Yeah, it's the idea of successful marriage

is you fucking, Hannah and I talk about this

together all the time.

Neither of us are particularly excited

to be the one that doesn't die first.

Of course not, then you have to handle all this stuff.

You gotta do all this shit.

You gotta grieve.

Yeah.

Unless you're young enough to start fucking again,

you know, what's the point?

I mean, based on what they say about retirement homes,

I don't know if you're ever really too old.

No, it's gay ads.

I mean, listen, if I make it to 80, it's fucking odd.

Like, Hannah, can I get a-

We're just gonna start eating Molly every single day.

Why wouldn't you?

You can't do it every day, but-

I mean, as much as, you know,

physician allows, as much as Dr. Conrad Murray allows.

As much as R.F.K. allows.

So that's the darkest joke I've ever heard your dad making.

He's like, we're all just trying to die

in the same day, same year.

Yeah, trying to die.

Yeah, nice.

Sure.

I mean, listen, Roger Farrah math is never wrong.

You have to respect his math.

That's really scary, true.

His math game is so tight.

He's wrong about other shit,

but you cannot fuck with his math game at all.

Especially some simple-ass math like that.

Like the number five?

He bats a thousand.

He's good at number five.

Anyway.

Wow.

Were we talking about cars?

Not yet.

No.

No, we did.

Apple CarPlay.

That's how we got here.

Oh, it was on CarPlay, yeah.

And our cars are different.

Yeah.

Right.

Anyway, hi.

So we're giving away a 9-11.

It has CarPlay.

Oh, yeah.

It has CarPlay.

It does have CarPlay.

What else does it have?

It has, oh, it has some actually,

the couple of, it has some really sort of rare options.

It has like the, I don't know if there's,

if you can see it in this photo.

The veins on the engine cover,

those vents are painted ice gray.

That is apparently a very expensive

and exclusive manufacturer thing

that not a lot of people get.

And you know what's funny about the rear wiper?

The rear wiper's pimp as fuck on a 9-11 Turbo S.

It really is.

That's a pretty, you know, touring level option.

It doesn't work all that well though.

I mean, it works better than having no wiper,

but the angle that it like sweeps away

is just like not that good.

Yeah, it's fairly unnecessary.

Yeah.

I would say.

But it looks cool.

I got it here.

Here's the shot.

Yeah, so you can see the painted things on top of it.

Well, what's funny is from this angle,

it just looks like reflections,

but those always look like that for the,

those are actually painted stripes.

Yeah, pretty cool.

It's painted reflection.

That is a huge windshield wiper.

It is, but the angle of it like it,

it, I'd say it cleans like half the windshield.

Yeah.

Speed cleans the other part.

Sure, sure, sure.

It's going faster.

But so, I mean, it's a pimp option to have.

These cars are amazing.

True.

Well.

We don't want to talk about the mods yet, right?

We're going to save that stuff.

Yeah, but like fucking, you know, spoiler alert,

it's like fucking so fast.

They're so fast.

It's insanely fast.

Yeah.

But just at its core,

I don't know if there's another car on the market

that does as many things as well as 911s do.

Sure, yeah.

And I know I'm not, this isn't a new statement,

I just got reminded today.

Yeah, but there's also no car on the market

that like less needs to be tuned than this.

Oh, that's true, yeah.

This is not, it's not a thing that needs more power.

Like it's not.

Well, someone out there, I'm sure,

is putting exhaust in a tune on the ZR1, like right now.

Yeah, that you should do to just make it sound better,

but you don't need to tune that.

Yeah, that's true.

That car range has ran nines,

the car and driver ran nines with it,

rear-wheel drive, no prep.

Actually, I don't think it was no prep.

That's nuts.

Yeah, yeah.

Was it no prep?

I don't know, but it was a fucking rear-wheel drive

nine on a street tire.

Yeah, pretty cool.

Very cool.

This does nines on street tires

all the time.

All the time.

Constantly.

Just all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

And it also, well,

It also.

I didn't try it before,

but now it, no, it certainly does

a four-wheel burnout too, which is pretty fun

if you want to try that.

It does do that, which shocked me today.

What else was there to say about this?

Good road trip car though,

because we did drive it, design it back,

and we did the angel landing hike.

Someone asked how it was.

That's the coolest hike I've ever done.

That's a good hike.

Because it involves climbing with chains,

and if you let go or slip, like, you might die.

You could absolutely die.

So I'm real into that kind of hiking.

That's how I'm on board.

Yeah, it was a little scary.

Yes.

There's a couple elements of that where we're like,

oh, oh yeah.

Very focused.

There's exposure, some real exposure on this one.

If you're tired when you start that hike,

when you get to the part where you hold on to not die,

you are awake.

You're very awake.

Oh, what I was gonna say is when we drove this,

I think we got like 27 or 26 miles per gallon

for the whole trip.

Yeah, we did.

And we were, we had to get back quickly.

Yeah, I mean it was the break-in, right?

We were doing the break-in.

So we didn't rev it like past five.

We didn't go over half throttle.

Like, that's what you're doing on break-in.

Doesn't mean you're driving slow.

We did not drive slow.

You're fucking, dude, you can stick this thing

at 90 miles an hour across Utah, no problem.

Right, no, I'm just saying that at cruising speed,

at high cruising speed.

Pretty efficient.

Pretty efficient and impressive

for something making so much power.

Active arrow and all that good shit.

This is a fine ass automobile.

It is.

I mean, I'm gonna be sorry to see it go,

but like, at least like, you know,

what was tough about that Corvette

was like the contest started and then we got the car

and we were really crunched on time to get the car.

Done by like, you know, the right kinds of people,

like, you know, with the right kind of parts

we wanted and all that stuff.

And we got it done.

Like in the car, the car was cool,

but like, it was incredibly stressful.

It was very, it was two months or something.

It was really tight.

I don't think it was even that long.

I think it might have been six weeks or something.

But so this car we had for longer,

we got it all done.

And so like, you can't,

by the, like you're listening to this,

like you literally can't enter yet.

Like it hasn't actually started yet,

but and you're gonna see content

about us doing stuff to the car,

which is like the way it's supposed to work.

But like rest assured, the car's already done.

So also the car was fully functional when it arrived,

where as some of our cars that we had,

like the BMW had, there were things we fixed

and things we improved.

And we spent a lot of money just fixing BMW things

so that it's ready for the next person.

Same with the vet.

Like there was some stuff inside

that was torn and shaky and wiggly and broken.

Yeah, we tried to like partially unshit box

a 2012 Corvette or something.

We bought like a center console and an e-brake handle

like things that were cracked up and stuff.

This didn't have those problems, which is very nice.

When starting with a brand new car,

that's luxurious living.

Yeah.

But we got some high quality companies

to donate some incredible,

not donate, throw in purchase, whatever,

some incredibly high quality parts for the car.

And you're gonna have a package

that's really pretty special.

Pretty, pretty special.

So obviously we're gonna have details on it

when we have a link, when we have what you do.

There is going to be a charitable element to the giveaway.

We're not gonna bullshit you.

Like we're gonna be making some money on this

and like the people that run the framework,

like they make some money on it like it's their business.

So like, but there is a charitable element to it.

And you don't have to buy any merch.

It's just straight up entries.

So, um...

So if you have enough coffee mugs.

If you have a lot of coffee mugs from our previous ones,

you don't need to buy any more coffee mugs.

It's just that.

And obviously there is the old

no purchase necessary option as well.

They make you jump through a lot of hoops,

but there is a free way as well.

Yeah, technically and legally you can enter for free.

Yes.

So yeah, 911 Turbo S, pretty crazy stuff.

Really crazy stuff.

So that's fun.

Larry Chen's today, we're like,

And his face was like,

He was like, what?

What?

How?

Who?

Yeah.

But it's gonna go back to them

because it's gotta sit in a bonded warehouse

while the contest is running.

So we have to say goodbye to it, unfortunately.

Sick.

But what a nice thing that is.

Wow.

Mm-mm, delicious.

The other thing I wanted to talk about

was this Waymo thing in San Francisco,

which is hysterical.

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And now, back to the program.

And a bunch of people sent it to me, wrote in track,

wrote about it, who wrote that?

Lucas wrote it for wrote in track.

So there was a power out

and the way it was told to me was

that there was a power outage

and all the way Mo's just froze

which is not what happened.

There was a power outage that killed

all the fucking traffic lights

and all the way Mo's got real confused.

And because way Mo's are so passive,

like the other cars were able to like kind of get through

and but like also there's a video.

It's just crazy.

But it wasn't like I thought it

when someone said it to me, I thought it was like-

They bricked.

You thought it was a software issue.

Yes.

The server got shut down

and all of a sudden they just stopped in place.

Yes.

I thought it was a red flag.

It was not a red flag.

It was, this video is incredible.

And you can kind of just,

even if you just hear the audio,

you can kind of understand what is going on.

So the traffic light is out.

Someone's gonna set this thing on fire

if it doesn't move soon.

Someone's gonna set it on fire.

So it doesn't move soon.

But the best-

There's just a way Mo right in the middle

of an intersection.

The way of the pan.

But then you pan left and there's nine,

something like nine or 10 Waymo's lined up

behind this one stuck Waymo,

not going-

That's ironic.

Not going around.

And they all have their hazards on.

Yeah.

Like the one in the intersection has its hazards on

but all of the ones behind it,

you know, they're like signaling to other Waymo's

like come help.

Yeah.

Like without, it seems like without a working traffic

signal, they're literally unable to make a decision.

And-

Yeah, that's an interesting thing.

Yeah.

There was, in the road and track story that Lucas wrote,

there was a statement from Waymo that was saying that like-

It said quote, oops.

It said no, you know, it's a small percentage

of the overall fleet.

Most of them, you know, were continuing operating

without whatever.

And of course, Elon Musk says that fucking

the Tesla ones were unaffected by the power outage.

Is that cause they're in Austin, Texas?

It's cause they're not real robotaxies actually.

Cause they just drive through red lights anyway.

They're just in front of my people.

What did Waymo say?

There was a story, speaking,

if Elon wants to talk shit,

maybe he wants to talk about the story that was up today

about 15 people that burned in Teslas

cause they couldn't open the door handles.

Whoa.

There's now a lawsuit about,

but I thought it was kind of funny.

Like it's just like autonomous driving is like

an amazing bit of technology,

but the ways in which it is limiting

are like pretty fucking funny actually.

Yeah.

Cause I wrote in the car

and you've been in plenty of Waymo's

like you can see that it sees the stop sign.

It sees the light and it's got a color screen

and it's, there's a screen in the back of a Waymo

to show you the passenger.

Here's what I'm seeing.

And it definitely makes you feel more comfortable.

It worked on me, but it sees the red stop sign

even if it's, you know

there's a bush over it and it's dimly lit.

But here it arrived at this intersection

and it didn't get that input data point of like,

hey the light is red or green or yellow.

And it's like, you know

someone who's totally color blind

and all of a sudden the lights have been inverted

or something and they're out of order.

And they goes, oh, I don't know what to do.

It is funny that it doesn't,

well either it defaults to treat this like a stop sign.

Which is what, that's in the California rule book.

Which is what you're supposed to do.

But in the case of this intersection

the rest of it people were just fucking

free for alling around and people were walking whatever.

And so it was just being so passive

because that's what they do.

They just are passive.

So maybe it was being passive.

And the other ones just like didn't fucking get around.

They just railroaded it.

Just railroaded it, yeah.

So the way Mo is sitting there

waiting for everyone to follow,

you know, the person to,

whether it's your, the person to your right.

Yeah.

The right of way.

Yeah.

And just nobody actually goes.

And no one waited.

So, but play it again.

Okay, so there's one,

there's one in front of the crosswalk

that's semi-blocking the center.

So funny.

So right now the way Mo should have gone.

Yeah.

But that person.

It's just not going anywhere.

And there's one, two, three, four, five.

I think, I think five.

There's, I thought there were more

but it was just regular cars.

So there's five way Mo's stuck behind the crosswalk

with their hazards on.

Do you think the other way Mo's

were saying encouraging things to the way Mo?

The one on the bottom right

doesn't seem totally stuck.

It inched up about like three feet.

Like it inched up like it was like

looking to make a right turn there,

but then it didn't.

Like, look, once that pedestrian crosses,

wait a minute, it's going to pull back.

We should go over to one of these days

because you know, the way Mo lot,

watch this one inch up on the bottom.

It does like, it does like seem like it's indicating

like it's about to try to like go somewhere

and then it gives up.

That's the brave one.

Yeah.

Like that one, it moves and then it stops.

Moved three inches.

I mean, yeah, it didn't move very far, but.

Yeah.

We should go over to the lot across the street

where the way Mo's go to sleep at like eight o'clock

in the morning and just watch them

like ants marching off.

It's like, it's a wild thing to say.

It's right by the blue bottle.

We could do that.

100%.

I don't know where the fuck you got me here.

It was really good.

Yeah.

Cold brew one sugar with the foam.

Correct.

Yeah, that's all right.

Nice.

Chosen well.

I like that.

We get time lapsed at and just watch all the way Mo's

go.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

It's weird to see them all hanging out there

and they all face the same direction in that parking lot

and they have those blinking lights

and they're all waiting for orders.

I was wondering if they sit in the parking lot

until summoned or if they scatter,

because I think they sort of scatter when shift starts

and I don't think they have to get very far

before they get summoned.

I think it's true.

But I don't think if they all just sat there.

They don't sit there because there's a couple

that sit around the corner from my place,

which is a few blocks from this collective area.

Okay, so they leave the parking lot

and then they post up just waiting by your house.

Okay, cool.

Like other, you know, like lift or taxi do.

Otherwise, if they had to always emanate

from that one place,

it would be a longer time to get to their passengers.

It's still, it's really funny.

What a funny thing.

And now they have to program around this.

Like these things have been driving around

for how many years now with really successful.

And somehow this anomaly,

either they didn't program for it

or they haven't encountered it, I guess,

which seems surprising.

That seems weird.

But it's kind of funny.

They don't have a solution for it.

I mean, maybe if there's a power outage,

normally there's like a battery back up

and then traffic lights default to like blinking red

and not like totally out.

That's true.

But maybe, maybe.

But there should be a protocol for full off,

full off traffic lights.

I do, I mean, look, with respect to,

I think it was called KitKat,

the cat that the Waymo ran over.

And then I think Waymo hit another dog recently.

Most of the time when Waymo's fuck up,

it's in a funny way, and not in a way

where it's like my uncle died a horrific death.

You know, it didn't send someone off an embankment

at 80 miles an hour.

Oh, right, like you're saying Elon can make fun of this.

Yeah, dude, it's his fucking, yeah.

Yeah, these people think his shit drives themselves

and it drives underneath a semi truck

and fucking Jane Mansfields your ass, dude.

Like in broad daylight.

Yeah, yeah, that's not this.

This is funny.

It's harmless.

Yeah, like these are the fucking edge cases,

not the ones where, you know, people are dying.

Right, not this.

Yeah.

RIP KitKat, though.

That cat, that cat was apparently extremely legit.

Do you know of its friends?

No, there was a, there was a,

there was like a memorial for it,

like this cat in San Francisco, like Bodega Cat.

Oh.

Apparently ran under a Waymo as people were getting in it.

Got it.

And then drove off and ran over the cat.

And like, because there's no fucking human there,

like it just sort of, you know, it wasn't like a.

Well, and even if there was a human.

For sure.

With a human driver have known that was happening.

No, no, for sure, of course.

And humans run over pets and animals like all the time.

Like that's a thing that happens

and that the vast majority of time

the person should be forgiven for

because it's not intentional.

And like, even the description of the incident,

it's hard to blame the Waymo

because the Waymo, like if an animal just runs under a car

and you know, you're at the drive,

like you, you know what I mean?

Like you would not see that either.

So, so I think, I think I read,

I mean, who knows what the fucking do it?

But I read that the statement was, you know,

they apologized and, you know,

they made a donation to the animal shelter.

Who knows if they fucking did, but okay.

And that they were gonna put sensors.

No way.

There's sensors underneath the car.

Which, I mean, cool, like good.

Like, hey, that like, that is like an appropriate

and mature reaction to the inevitable death

of a living thing at the hands of this kind of stuff.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Or you could remove sensors

and just use one camera that looks at the sky.

That's pretty cool.

Exactly.

I saw a heart warming.

It looks up there.

Awkward pointing, as it were.

Everyone feel free to freeze frame that.

Use the director.

I think your arm was mostly out of frame, but yeah.

Use it cut to black, you know, above, above here.

Just put a black box up here.

Like they have seen files.

Make this.

Just redact the whole show.

Can you redact that picture?

Redact the whole show or not show anything

except for five words.

And a picture they inserted of Michael Jackson

that actually had nothing to do with.

Well, I mean, but the problem is like,

now because of stupid fucking AI,

like I don't trust any of that shit now.

You can, I can chat GPT, you know,

or whatever the image one is,

nano-banana, you know, show me fucking Trump

being, you know, fucking blown by a teenager

with his arm around J.I. Epstein

and a fucking black box over most of his face.

Like, you know what I mean?

But I think that's, and that's the timing of this

is so fortunate for the people who are in those files

because they can, if this was five years ago,

and if the only AI was-

Who's in the files and heavily investing

in AI and crypto right now?

Yeah.

Because if this was a few years ago

when the only AI image creation was,

remember Dolly when it first came out

and everything looked like a dripping clock?

Yeah.

People were like, you can't blame that for that.

Yeah.

For this.

No, this, I hope you people enjoyed

photographic evidence while it was a thing.

You know what I mean?

Well, today, unfortunately, we saw the video

of these two folks that crashed in a Ferrari

in the canyons and I think they tragically passed away.

One guy was Vince, the guy that worked at,

we didn't know him, we just read about it.

But when we saw the video, it was a very grainy video.

It was like, it was almost like 480p.

Which these days is weird and suspicious

because everyone's got a 4K camera in their hand.

And I don't know, it was you or one of my friends

were like, oh, is this just an AI video?

Like did someone,

It looked like it could have been.

If someone trying to, you know,

spark everyone's interest and make something scary

but it's actually fake and sadly, it is real.

Both people died?

At least one, I don't know, about both of us, about one.

Don't watch that video.

Yeah, don't.

But if it, wow, were they going fast?

Yeah.

Yowza.

Jesus.

On to other things.

Sorry, I didn't mean to drag us down.

That's what I mean, back to talking shit.

Zach, man, this one's tough.

Zach just pulled up this photo.

I actually talked about this on Spike's show.

He likes it.

Well, does he love Coca-Cola and the Santa campaign?

So this is a, so now, you know,

now Portia is getting into the reimagining game.

Okay, they couldn't possibly,

there's, Portia's got to be so mad

that they can't build a singer turbo.

Sure.

Leaving so much money on the table.

Like, people are willing to pay a fortune for that

and Portia could if they wanted to build a singer turbo,

but they can't because of regulations and shit

and all kinds of things.

So they're now in the reimagining game.

Mr. Jerry Seinfeld fucking made me feel

fucking eight inches tall when I asked him

about how he felt about the Speedster,

not knowing that he had owned the only ever 993 Speedster

before that, good moment.

But Portia Motorsport, Portia Cars North America,

is it, is it PMNA or, oh, it's Portia Classic.

It's Portia Classic is the one that are doing it.

So they are, you know, reimagining cars

to the extent that they can.

Pretty much means a factory restoration,

but cosmetically altered in whatever way

the owner sees fit.

So they're doing paint jobs,

they're doing different color wheels,

they're doing different materials, things like that.

So this one has a livery from a vintage race car.

And I think this falls into the same category.

It's red with white, like stripey scallops

and a big meatball on the side with a 23

because obviously this is Michael Jordan's car.

It's not.

The owner's listed in the article.

Yeah, it's not.

It's Victor Gomez.

Victor Gomez, that sounds right.

And look, I, you know, I want,

this is this guy's dream Carrera GT,

like fucking have at it buddy, like whatever.

Like Portia's not trying to show this picture

because they're trying to sell it to me.

This is what they did for a guy.

So the idea that someone who was maybe 15 or 16

in 2000 is now, you know, 35 to 45, you know,

30 years old and they couldn't have one of these then

but they don't want a silver one now.

They want whatever and it needs to go in

for major service and bushings and all this and that.

And while you're in there, you know,

how about Miami blue or whatever?

We were at that Cars and Coffee, the Helms Bakery

and Franz von Holtzhausen showed up

in a blue Carrera GT, light blue that was like,

well hot, it was fucking so sick.

Tan interior is like amazing.

But like remember when we got that 911

Targa Heritage Edition with the just incredible

corduroy interior and then it had the dumb scallops on it,

the sticker package.

I don't think those fifties and sixties liveries

look good on these modern cars at all.

The 911 are, when those stripes are on it,

I just think the spacing is weird.

I understand it's historical, but it may have just been

from a different era when like people thought

they look cool or was it just to identify the car

on the track and it was helpful?

I don't know, but I just think it looks weird

in terms of the spacing of it all

and the size of the stripes and stuff like this.

I don't know, this is just, I think my mind

is so stuck on all the hubbub that's going on

about Coca-Cola making an AI commercial.

And it's Christmas time right now as we're making this

and this popped up on my feed and this is

Santa had a Carrera GT.

I mean, this is what it would look like.

Red with white scalp, so that came to mind.

But I agree with you that the whole like

delivery of this new car is a carryover

from this old classic car.

I think it rarely works in a really good way

and most of the time I think it comes across

a little bit as like a little bit of an imposter.

Like even the Gulf stuff.

Everyone loved Gulf livery folks so long

and I didn't really get it.

I'm like, if you put 76 store Shell station

on everything, I get it, they were part

of the racing team because they gave them the money.

But is it aesthetically the prettiest thing in the world?

I'm not that in the Gulf either, but like,

I think it's like, I don't mind a red Carrera GT.

Like red is fine.

I've seen red one.

Looks cool.

But like with the 911 Heritage Edition

that had the scallops, which were the top

of the Pontoon Fender scallops, that was off a 356.

It was like a racing thing from back then.

And when you have those, when you see a 356 with them,

on a much smaller, dainty year car,

the scallops make a little more sense, you know?

It's a much different scaled detail on that other car.

Sure, great point.

And on this car, it just, to me,

oh that's, there's the angle.

It just looks really weird on this big car.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Cause now you're taking it from a totally different model.

And you're going, what if we apply that to this?

Does it work?

Everything else about this car is awesome.

Dude, this car, it's just that red.

Target Heritage, no stickers.

Oh my God.

No notes.

That was an excellent vehicle.

Perfect car.

Perfect road trip vehicle.

No notes whatsoever.

But all of that's gotta go.

And you can see that upper three-quarter angle there.

You can see, imagine a 356 coupe,

that would make some sense.

I mean, that's not my favorite,

but like it would, it wouldn't be awful.

I'd have to, let me look it up.

It also looks, it looks a lot better

if you have like a white car with red scallops

than a red car with white scallops.

Cause there's nothing else that's like white on the car.

It's just white stickers and there's nothing else

in the car that matches white.

White is tough.

Like white stickers?

That's tough.

It's just a really sharp contrast here.

And you know, I don't think you'd want to make this sticker

as the color of the interior.

Cream?

Cream, but it's just kind of, it's a jarring color.

It's suddenly the absence of color

in this very nice metallic red.

I think that's why.

I think that red is so rich to,

also like on the 356,

that would have been like a pretty flat red.

You know, like a lacquer almost.

This is like, like carmine red.

It's like super candy metallic red.

All right, so here's.

Yeah, so you can, you can imagine those,

those scallops on the fender of this car.

It's still not my favorite look,

but it does make a little more sense.

Yeah, I think it just makes sense with the, the era.

Yeah.

And also actually a big thing is,

look at the curve of these fenders,

is just much more obvious.

Like the way it drops down into the,

I don't know, the curve is more pronounced here

on the front of the fender.

And the whole car is like more bubbly.

Yeah.

And I feel like the,

the scallops kind of lend themselves

almost like an accent mark to the overall curve.

And here when you look at it,

because the cars have gotten so big.

Yeah.

But this line also,

cause it's just white,

looks really flat.

It's much straighter.

Yeah.

I don't think that helps it.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyway, it doesn't help the courage to see either.

Yeah.

It's not my choice.

I do, I think it's cool that you can just

if you're, you know, if you're super rich,

you can get it refreshed,

made exactly the way you'd want it

in whatever color you want.

And it's from the place where it won't hurt

what the value is, you know,

it's done by the right company.

It's like, it's like 600 grand plus

whatever the car needs mechanically.

Yeah.

Cause they probably take it all apart.

Yeah.

Every panel.

Yeah.

And you know, and they're doing it,

classics doing it with,

you know, it's really popular with them right now

because they're doing it with a lot of

the first generation of cars.

Yeah.

And they were all like black or white or silver.

Wow.

Very few of them were any other color besides that.

People are getting.

So people are getting them done in like colors now.

I saw three when I was at,

in Atlanta getting the 918.

They walked me through there.

They wouldn't let me take any pictures of anything.

That's pretty cool.

And I saw three of them.

And two were amazing.

And one was absolutely fucking hideous.

They're not saying no to people.

Yeah.

They're letting people do whatever they want.

And like one of the other career GTs I saw was amazing.

And one was worse than this.

Notably worse than this.

Yeah.

That's a bold choice for people

because the recent resale.

Yeah.

You're gonna start seeing some shit.

Yeah.

I mean, one of the things about a career GT

or an F40 or an F50 is

because of the small color palette,

the resales are actually pretty consistent.

Color doesn't really come into play.

Your personal taste doesn't really matter.

Right.

The car is the car.

Right.

Whereas with a lot of other porches like GT3s and shit,

like wild colors can be huge money

or people are like, oh, what the fuck that is.

Yeah.

Wow.

So you gotta like choose carefully.

Yeah.

Choose wisely.

Like your shit may or may not be investment grade

anymore.

You know?

Yeah.

And plus like people's interest in colors

goes in kind of a cycle.

Like I think everyone's really into green right now.

Yeah.

And I'm not saying it's just like,

I've just noticed around town,

there's more greens on 2025 and 2026 cars.

But a few years ago, lots of blues for that.

Like lots of, it was, you know, the chalk color

for years.

The chalk, there was the Miami blue.

Yeah.

So you can choose a color for your restored career GT

and you better hope that it's like an evergreen,

no pun intended, color that everybody likes all the time.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, respect to Franz's fucking taste

and dope shit.

His fucking, his was awesome.

It was really cool.

I would have one pretty much just like that.

Wow.

I forget if it was like, if it was Miami or Mexico

where it was one of those very bright blues.

Cool.

With a fabulous tan interior.

It was pretty sweet.

Yeah.

I also saw Derek Jenkins from Lucid.

Saw him on Sunday in his Kuntosh.

You know, he's got a Kuntosh.

He has an 86 injected car.

This motherfucker parked it up.

Door closed.

No backup camera, no spotter.

Did it fucking right up.

Without even sticking his head out the door.

No sitting on the door sill.

I just backed up.

Just backed it right in.

Door closed.

You know, the rear visibility on this car is very bad.

I bet.

That's why I just use like my side mirror

in relation to my neighbor.

And you kind of go, well,

I hope the cars are about the same size.

He backed it up against two curbs into a parking spot

with no other car as a reference.

Just two low curbs, which on those mirrors,

that's very tough.

That is impressive.

Yeah, that's very tough.

Respect.

The rear valence on the Kuntosh is high, right?

Isn't like everything angled up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're not gonna hit body work.

Right.

That's helpful.

Not on the rear, yeah.

Oh, actually go to the photos of tagged in.

I think that on top, the top right icon there.

I think the career go down to that.

That's the career GTA, I was just talking about.

Oh, wow.

Like that, that is pretty exceptional.

It's hot.

Yep.

That is absolutely the right color

for that kind of a car, right?

Yeah, with matching calipers and the center cap.

Perfect.

I think Graham built that car.

Damn.

Yeah.

The matching center lock thing,

the anodized is pretty good.

Yeah, that's really, really good.

Yeah.

Of course it is, he's a car designer.

Yeah.

Why would it not be aces?

I was posting, I posted something about these.

Oh, is it not tan?

I thought it was fucking tan.

It's black.

Oh, wow.

Black interior.

What was I looking at with the tan interior?

All right, my eyes just see me.

I would not make a good witness

for fucking crime sometimes.

That's true.

I could have sworn this.

Did you just want the interior

to be a lighter color, Matt?

Is that what you're saying?

I don't know what the hell I was looking at.

This blue with the tan interior.

Huh.

How about that?

That's very strange.

That still looks dope though.

Wow.

Even if I was wrong about that,

it still looks better.

Perfect.

Mm-hmm.

Nicely done, sir.

Yeah.

Very, very good.

Shall we go to the people?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

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Don't you think a Dino tribute would have been

a better fit for the 296 than the F40?

Yes, I do, but Ferrari, I think,

still has a bit of a chip on their shoulder

about the Dino not being like a real Ferrari.

I guess, which is sad, considering how celebrated it became.

They use it to help market themselves when they want to.

Aesthetically, the 296 is much closer to a Dino

than an F40.

Yeah.

And the Testerosa is LOL.

Yeah, I mean that F40,

can you pull up the 296 F40 tribute?

I thought this car looked strange.

I don't think the 296 and the F40

were all that compatible in terms of design.

I think the end result is this looks like a Maserati MC20.

Yep, sure does.

More than anything else.

Yeah.

As a matter of fact, if you asked me

if I would rather drive this or a Maserati MC Stradale,

not even like, not an MC20, this looks like an MC12.

Sorry, MC12, the old one, the Enzo one.

Got it.

I'd rather have an MC20 than fucking this.

MC20s are pretty.

I don't think they're pretty,

but I'd have to see them side by side

before I made my choice.

I'm just not into the MC12, never have been.

No, what about an MC20?

The new one.

The new one, I think is gorgeous.

That's pretty.

I'd rather have an MC20 than this, than this Ferrari.

Aesthetically, absolutely agree.

This is a weird looking car, man.

Yeah, it's a couple different, I don't know, yeah.

We talked about it in a previous show.

This is what Ferrari's doing right now.

They're putting three cars in one car.

Yeah, it's like, it feels like,

honestly, from this shot, we're looking at a wide shot,

it looks like this door,

because of the crease and the way the light's hitting,

it looks like this door was photoshopped

onto a different car, like this is three cars.

That's what it looks like.

It does, the center section, the nose and the rear.

It looks like the nose and the rear are from one car,

but the center section's from a different car.

Yeah, it looks like the nose and the rear from the F80, right?

And then the middle's from something else.

This whole intake thing is strange.

And we looked at this weeks ago when it came out,

but I remember that this intake is like,

what's the word I'm looking for?

It's very angular.

It's like three straight lines that intersect,

and then the rest of the car is very round and swoopy,

just looks really weird and disjointed, in my opinion.

I'm not that into it.

No, 296 is a great looking car,

and they definitely could have called it the Dino,

and probably, I don't know, probably would have.

This is a one-off joint.

This is like a coach-built thing

for somebody with really, really bad taste.

That's awful.

Duffel Shuffle Retirement Club,

what do you eat for Christmas?

Us Jews, we fuck with the Chinese.

That's what we do, right?

I mean, that's like, there's a...

The cliche is we go to the movies

and we get Chinese food,

because that's what's open and that's what's not too busy.

Yeah, and last year I went and got Chinese food.

There's a place in L.A. called Genghis Cohen,

which is the perfect Chinese restaurant

to go on Christmas.

I love...

Have you seen the show, Con Con Everything?

It's a very funny British comedian.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Like, red-haired drink.

I know what it is, but...

She's so good at the fake history interviews,

and she put up a thing today that was like,

I just can't believe he's gone,

and it's like the 750th anniversary

of Genghis Con dying.

So good.

Oh, man.

Christian says, what are some of your favorite

and funniest memories of working at Gotham Dreamcars?

There were a lot,

because it was like kind of like little Wild Westie back then.

We didn't really know it at the time,

but we were...

We got to drive the cars a lot more

than they got to drive the cars later.

I mean, you know, you probably...

We probably shouldn't have been driving the cars,

but that's why those guys got into that business

in the first place.

So it was only natural that all the employees

wanted the same thing,

which was to drive the cars, so we did.

Well, in delivering them,

I think it was like we had one trailer,

so a lot of times we'd have to drive the car to a customer,

and someone else would follow us,

and then they would...

Fattace would follow me, we'd drop off a 599,

and then we would give each other rides back.

Yeah, I mean, if it was less than 10 or 15 miles

you'd drive the car,

and if it was more than that, you'd trailer it,

so you did get a decent amount of seat time

in all the cars,

and so that was, I mean,

when I was like 24 to 30,

so I was fucking having a little fun myself, obviously.

I mean, you know,

when some of the customers were real crazy,

not like just like you'd rent a Ferrari

to someone in the Hamptons for like a weekend,

you know, you'd drop it off at this house in the Hamptons,

and you'd come back on Monday to get it,

and the thing had only gone like six miles,

but it's like, it looked like someone smoked

like seven packs of cigarettes in there,

like how did you have enough time

to smoke this many cigarettes?

You must have literally just sat there in the car

going nowhere and smoking cigarettes.

That must have been what you did all weekend.

Do you think they just drove it to a club and sat in front

and just waited till the club let out?

Something like that, yes.

Or they just sat in traffic

and smoking with the windows up for some reason.

I mean, we gave them the huge bill for that kind of thing,

but shit like that.

And then the other end where they would put it,

they would put so many miles on in the day

where you'd go, did you just drive

for like 24 hours straight?

And sometimes they'd be like, yes.

You know.

Which I and I applaud that kind.

Yeah, I know, I know.

You're a driver dream for sure.

Yeah, that was nuts and...

My favorite memory, we did the Gotham driving tour once,

remember in Malibu?

And I had to drive one of the cars

because I think it was like an influencer thing.

So like five people were brought in to ride in the cars

but not drive them.

Right.

And then four people got to drive

and you needed one extra driver.

Yeah.

So I think you were in the lead,

zero of the 599 and this woman

who I will leave her name out of this

and I would like to specify with full truth,

never hooked up with her, never dated her,

never asked her out, et cetera.

We're driving with the windows down

and all the lead cars kind of,

it's in Malibu, there's a straightaway,

everyone goes for a little rip.

So I do the same thing to keep up with the group

as we'll say.

And the car's screaming

and she's got like her arm out the window

to take a photo or video of what.

And all of a sudden she yells in a very thick

like Jersey accent.

Oh my God, my boo popped out

and like the wind,

cause the wind coming around like the buffeting mirrors

just rips into the car

and like literally ripped her shirt open

and she turned away from me

and like fixed her situation.

But I was, at the time I was unhappy with that employment

for a couple of reasons we don't have to go into

but in that moment.

Yeah, yeah.

I was pretty stoked on my job.

Yeah.

I saw nothing

but it was one of the funniest moments

I've ever had in a car.

That's like from the Italian job

where Seth Green gets a stereo

that like blows a woman's clothes off

like literally.

Exactly.

Wow.

This really, really happened.

You know you're really selling me

on this manual SWAP 599.

Just don't put those things on the side mirrors

that direct the air around the cab.

You want the air to go into the cab.

Right.

Magic day.

I mean there was my favorite of all time

which I'm sure I've said before

but there was a guy who rented the same car

for a half day rental

like once a week for like a couple months.

Great.

And he would always request the same car

and we had, it was a Gallardo

and we had like three or four yellow Gallardo's

and they were all yellow

and they were all had black interior

except one had a two tone black and yellow interior

but the rest were all the same

and it turns out the guy had like met this chick

and told her that it was his car

and had to keep up appearances

so we had to keep renting the car.

Well once his, the one he rented

was the black with the yellow.

Well once it was in service

but we didn't know, he didn't let us in on the scam.

Right.

So we were just bringing him the car

and we thought he liked that car.

I want that same car.

I want the same car.

Well it's available.

It's available.

Well this time you know we just began to say

it's a yellow Lambo.

The fuck you care.

You know what I mean?

A normal client, it's a yellow Lambo.

What do you care?

Well he had to figure out how to tell the girl

well like what's the you know

so he says it's a service loaner.

His other one is in the shop.

She buy, well eventually this goes on.

He asked her to marry him.

She says yes

and rather than say he's sold the car

or anything else he buys the rental car

from us to keep up appearances

which is a crazy thing to have done.

I mean unless it's like you know

it's somehow now sentimental

and he really does want that car

but like whatever but he bought the rental car

to keep up his lie.

That's a wild, he made two commitments

through his dating life

and one was to like lead this woman on

and the other one he's just guaranteeing

his own lifestyle creep

that he's gonna have to buy this car

someday to keep up the lie.

So he's just giving himself future maintenance bills.

Oh my God.

You think Gotham gave him a discount

because he rented it so much?

I do not.

Isaiah Stanley wants to remind everyone

it's the giving season and to give blood

sign up for Be The Match, et cetera.

I think Be The Match has a new name.

I think Be The Match rebranded is something else.

Give is giving.nmdp.org.

Great that's way easier remember thanks guys.

Oh sorry, mndp.com formally Be The Match.

M-N-D-P.

Like Nancy, Mary, Donald, Peter.

Boy.

That is-

N-M-D-P, you just keep the URL guys.

We're trying to help here.

N-M-D-P.com.

National Marrow Donor Program.

Well that makes sense.

Yeah, but like, I'm with you.

You know, Be The Match was catchy.

They should have just kept both,

just keep the old website and have it redirect.

I think you need to be 42 or under for Be The Match,

but if not, you should give blood.

We did a toy drive at my building.

Do that, do something.

Feels good.

I bought Tesla FSD and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.

Says, opinion of the Devil 16.

They apparently delivered a V8 version of the car

to customers in 2022, but there's no statistics.

Have we ever heard of another car company

having a car in development for a decade?

Yeah, we can get to that too.

That just keeps kicking the can down the road.

Was that a joke?

No, that's the second part of the question.

No, I know, but was that,

this person's username has a Tesla reference.

The Tesla Roadster.

Oh yeah, that's hilarious.

Is the other car.

Well there's that one,

and there's the Aptara solar powered tricycle.

There's a lot of them.

No, so the Devil 16 was this car

that this guy said was gonna be 5,000 horsepower.

So do you know what this was?

This was a top fuel dragster engine put into a car.

That's all it was.

So like.

It was a 16 cylinder dragster engine.

I was told that it was essentially

a top fuel powertrain.

But that it has no real cooling.

And so it just essentially can't like run.

Can I say how absolutely insane what you're saying is

because on their website,

the seventh word is launched

at Dubai International Motor Show.

You know where you need cooling for your vehicle?

In the Middle East.

Yeah, I mean, the last I heard was that this car couldn't run

because it wasn't like a real car.

I mean, it was like a.

Yeah, I remember this thing.

I remember the press photos vividly.

Yeah.

Unveiled in 2017, it looks,

I mean it looks like it goes 8,000 miles per hour

and it's from the future.

So they delivered a few with V8s.

Oh yeah.

And it also said it was gonna have 5,000 horsepower.

That was the thing.

I mean, that was the claim.

The rest of it, it's like, okay,

it's a swoopy supercar, like a bunch of other ones,

but like, I mean, it just,

it, I think it was sort of vapor-y wear, like.

Or like so many tech things, like we're gonna do this.

We need the money now and then we'll figure out

how to do this.

Yeah, sort of bullshit.

So I probably wouldn't give them any money.

Okay.

Panic at my disco says,

a recent discussion the boys were having

on the Cars and Bids podcast got me,

okay, we get to react to something

that someone else said, my favorite.

About the slowing of EV,

about how the slowing of EV sales may represent

the end of an era of higher than expected demand

for EVs as well as the accelerated development

for manufacturers.

Will we look back at this period

and compare it to the muscle car era of the 60s,

malaise era of the 80s, is this what this was?

No, I mean, I think there's this,

like, first off, peak internal combustion sales were 2017

and have been going, have been down since.

So like, EV sales are growing,

like the slowing of EV sales,

EV sales is still growing,

just the rate at which they are growing is slowing.

You know what I'm saying?

That's like saying that inflation is down.

It doesn't mean that if money is back

to where it was in 2020,

it just means that it's going up fucking slower

than it was going up.

Right, this article from Inside EV says,

EV sales are on track for their first

year over year drop since 2019.

So they were selling,

you're selling more and more and more of them

every year until this year.

Okay, well, but the, you know,

the tax sales are taking away.

Yeah, it was a huge hit to them, absolutely.

So I mean, I think in general,

globally, EV sales are growing.

And I do think ultimately we will get there.

Global EV sales jumped 21% in 2025 as Europe surged.

I mean, that's a lot.

21% is a lot.

It's a huge jump.

It's a big, big jump.

So I think, I think I don't,

I don't think it was reasonable to say

that we should banning internal combustion engines

in 2030 or 2035.

I don't think that was a reasonable thing to say,

but I also don't think, you know,

getting rid of all the incentives

and fucking gutting the EPA and saying,

you know, have at it, hell, cat boys.

You know, that's not gonna help either.

Like that's so fucking dumb.

So I mean, I think eventually we will see

a mostly electrified fleet out there eventually.

But, and we should incentivize it

and we should incentivize, the studies are out there.

These cars are cleaner, you know,

they're in general, they're very safe, they're very clean.

The batteries are lasting longer than original predictions.

They're decaying less than original predictions,

particularly batteries that have active liquid cooling.

The batteries that fail most of the time

are like old leaf batteries and shit

that are air-cooled and have just like fins.

Like if you have active cooling,

like the batteries are really good.

So I mean, I don't know, but yeah.

Sob 9.3 Aero Press Launch, like that.

I would, that's one I would have loved

to have gone on a Sob launch.

I saw a 9.2 X the other day and I went,

should I buy one of these?

I know it's a WX, but I've just,

I've loved them since I was 20.

Yeah.

And I need to scratch the itch someday.

I mean, I was so disappointed driving the 9.3 Viggan,

but man, did I wanna love the 9.3 Viggan.

They look good.

I learned to drive stick on a 900 turbo.

It was fucking great.

It was cool.

Do you still make coffee with the Aero Press?

If so, what are your go-to recipes and methods?

I do an Aero Press once in a while.

I really like the Aero Press

if I have to be somewhere away from,

you know, good coffee.

Like we're going sailing in March.

We're gonna be Kettle and Aero Press

for pretty much the whole week, right?

Yep.

I don't, we don't wanna be fucking with pods

and all that shit out there.

I use my Aero Press anytime I make coffee at home.

That's what I use.

I make a pot at home.

I mean, some call it a pour over,

but I have like, the pour over machines are so funny

because they're just fancy looking fucking Mr. Coffee.

That you have to operate yourself.

Yeah, basically.

So I have like a Cuisinart

that's essentially a Mr. Coffee

and I make a pot of coffee.

And as long as your brew ratio is correct

and you have a nice burr grinder,

your grind fresh beans, no problem.

So if I'm doing the Aero Press,

what is your Aero Press method?

I do the upside down method.

Heat the water to 179.

Pour, you know, make it, pour it half full

with like 20 grams of coffee.

Stir it, wait, let it sit for 30 seconds

so it blooms, then fill it the rest of the way.

And then at one minute, I flip it over

and pour slowly, like squeeze it out slowly.

And I try to land, be done at the 90 second mark.

That's more or less exactly what I do.

I don't set a timer, but,

and I use one of the Aero Press scoops.

Is that 20 grams?

I think it's like 12-ish.

Oh really?

So I should be scooping more than that into one Aero Press?

Depends on how strong you want your coffee.

And also, like I'm doing mostly decaf

so I do like, you know, 15 milligrams of decaf

and da, da, da, da, da.

I don't break out the scale.

Yeah, no, 179, I do 180, but okay.

And I don't want to fucking deal with the scale.

So I just do a scoop.

But yeah.

Don't rob me, says thoughts on the California DMV

stopping the sale of Teslas

for the false self-driving claims.

Would Tesla face legal trouble from customers

if they admit to not having self-driving?

So, all right, I don't, I'm certainly not a lawyer,

but so yeah, I mean, basically the state of California,

the DMV has said that autopilot and FSD are misleading

and they have to either rename them or stop selling cars.

That's essentially, Teslas, I forget if it's a countersuit

or just an appeal, they're fighting it.

Obviously they're fucking fighting it.

That would be a problem for Tesla I think.

I mean, if they appeal it, whatever it goes to,

whatever the result is,

they're not gonna stop selling cars in California.

I'm sure this state still has the biggest take rate

and makes up a huge percentage of their market.

So they'll just change the wording,

which, and they'll get very clever with it.

And that's probably what they'll have to do.

They'll, I mean, look, nobody is better than Elon Musk

at saying some cheeky thing that will somehow

make him able to skirt a law.

You know, like when it was like,

I forgot what he named something like tits

and he was like, and he came up with some clever acronym

for it, you know, and Doge and all this kind of stuff.

Like he'll come up with some way to phrase it

that'll make it just barely technically legal.

So this year, in quarter three of this year,

EVs made up 29% of the new car markets in California.

So like a third of the cars sold in California

new cars are EVs.

He's not gonna just wanna give up that pot of money,

especially while the sales of Tesla are going down in Europe.

I mean, he needs all the money he can get

and not just buying his own cars with SpaceX money.

So I don't know, we'll figure out what happened.

But what was the second half of the question?

I wanna read the wording of that again.

The second half of the question from,

don't rob me was, would Tesla face legal trouble

from customers if they admit to not having self-driving?

Well, they've admitted to the DMV

that it's a level two system.

Like they say one thing to the news and to their customers

and they say something different in court

and in DMV filings.

It's like very important to recognize that.

Like to the DMV, this is a level two system,

same as fucking Ford's blue crews

and Chevy's super crews.

Those are the same and Rivian's thing

and whatever else, Porsche's thing.

They're all list, they're all the same.

So if they're telling customers, like for instance,

that you can text and drive,

which is what Elon's new thing is saying,

that you'll be allowed to text and drive,

like you can be ticketed for that.

Like you're actually bringing the law,

he's telling you that it's okay to break the law

and like, look, I'm not a fucking, I'm not Gandhi.

I'm not saying that I have never texted and driven.

But like, I'm just saying that this guy is telling you

that in this car, you can text and drive.

Well, I think the machinery's capabilities

don't dictate the law.

So that's the thing.

And even if it was a level five system,

from what, even if he said it was a level five system

and let's say like five independent scientists agree,

you still have to get the state and the country

and NHTSA to go, yep, that's true.

And then you can text and drive.

But just because he says that the machinery can do it,

doesn't mean a police officer is gonna go,

oh, the guy who sells the things

that it can do that on your way, sir, have a good time.

Yeah.

So yeah.

Oh, this was,

oh, this is this question about the crash yesterday.

Okay, so this guy passed away in the canyons.

Do you think a high profile accident

will change the tides on what's quote allowed

in the canyons?

No?

No.

In the video, they're not going,

they're not going the speed limit.

No, those guys aren't having like a little outing.

They're ripping.

Right, so they're not doing what is quote allowed.

Yeah.

And I think, I'd also add,

we've seen, we've talked about this a lot.

We've seen a lot of sketchy driving up there,

yes, by car enthusiasts, but a lot of it

is people using those roads to commute

in cars with bad tires and they are sending it.

Yeah.

I mean, double yellow passes all over the place.

I almost got run off the road.

You are right.

In the 12C.

A couple of days ago.

And that was not someone in a Ferrari

or a Porsche or whatever.

It's just people making poor choices, I think, ultimately.

And so, you know, I don't think they're,

I don't think it'll change what's allowed.

Maybe they'll raise patrols up there,

but I don't know.

I don't know if the CHP has the resources

to send more people up there

to write tickets to calm people down.

No, I mean, they, they's,

no, the CHP is in the business

of raising money with tickets.

So they're gonna sit in highways

where they can get the most number of people,

where their radios and phones work for backup.

They're not gonna sit up there.

I mean, I told the story the other day

of the guy who essentially lied to me.

You know, the guy who, on the pro show,

they are about getting pulled over

in the fucking giveaway car.

And the guy tried to play it off

like he was up there to catch speeders.

And it turns out his motorcycle was broken down

and that's why he was there.

And he had nothing and he had nobody to call.

I mean, you know, his lucky was fucking me.

And I'm a law abiding citizen.

But, but, I mean, look, people go up there

and drive fast and some people drive too fucking fast.

And they have really bad crashes.

And it's a very bad thing and terrible thing

when someone dies.

But like, people are making choices, man.

Like, you know, like,

not everybody has like great judgment.

I don't think that guy, Vince,

was driving that car, right?

He was a passenger.

And this is, we just saw this today.

But like, I watched two seconds of that video

and holy shit, that car is going fast, really.

And for me to say that, you know how fast a car

is to be going to look fast in a video like that

in a drive-by shot?

We do this for a living, you guys.

It is so hard to make a car look like

it's going by that fast in a video.

You have to be fucking flying to do that.

Like, wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I think, and even if the police made a big presence,

they do this with drag racing or drifting areas

or whatever it is.

Like, if there's enough hubbub from the public,

they will do a big crackdown.

And maybe they'll spend, we saw this on the 405.

Remember, there were a couple days in a row

where there were four motorcycle police officers

within about two miles writing tickets

to people that were in the HOV lane

without two people in the car.

They were posted up like fishermen at a Bass Pro contest

and they were just like hooking people and writing tickets

and then they'll go away

and then people will keep doing the same thing.

So I think, you know, the only thing that would change

this is if they implemented those speed limiters on cars,

you know, like when you buy a new car,

it's limited to X speed unless you're in certain areas

but otherwise people are going to make choices.

That was the Nissan GT-R thing

and that's what our friend David Zipper argues for.

And it's actually other than the, you know,

immature but honest because I want it,

there's not a lot of arguments against it, you know,

not a lot of like sane ones actually or rational ones.

Oh, that one is about the thing,

which we, the thing which we discussed about.

Frontwheel Drive NSX says with the recent crash

in North Carolina, RIP Greg Biffle.

Yeah, I didn't know the guy

but I heard great things about him actually.

Can you think of another sport

that's lost more to plane crashes?

I feel like every 10 years or so NASCAR deals

with the plane related death.

I mean, golf maybe?

Golfers have died in plane crashes.

I mean, it's not a sport but like musicians,

lots of musicians have died in plane crashes.

I mean, like anywhere where you've got,

like for instance, like in the NBA and the NFL

and shit like that, right?

The teams fly on like big ass fucking team planes.

They're jumbo jets in golf, in NASCAR, in music,

in other like individual sports,

they fly around on little private jets

and like little private jets crash more.

Like they're just more dangerous.

And so mathematically, if you do an activity

or you have a job or you have a family

or you have a lifestyle where you're flying around

in private jets a lot, like,

and I'm not trying to like blame Greg Biffle for,

you know, I don't know.

It's just like statistically,

if you fly around in a fucking private jet all the time,

like you're statistically more likely to die in a crash

because that's what happens.

And like NASCAR is like lots and lots of private jets.

It is, it's lots of that.

Anything where there's really high net worth individuals

that can afford to travel by themselves

and they want to for convenience and stuff,

smaller airports, schedule, whatever.

But this last year there were 1,085 general aviation

accidents in the United States

with private jets included in this category.

So a fifth of those were fatal.

And how many commercial airline flight crashes

were there in the United States last year?

Two, three, you know.

Two with a whole FAA thing.

And even that's a bad year.

That was an alarming year.

I mean, that was a year where the FAA was like,

what the fuck is going on?

Like, there are so few of them ever since three years ago.

Yeah, and because private jets carry rich people,

it's way more likely that when one crashes,

it's gonna be somebody like notable.

Right.

You know, whether it's a NASCAR driver or so.

How many fucking times doesn't Roger Penske

been in like four plane crashes?

I seriously think Roger Penske has survived

at least two, maybe three plane crashes.

I'm, Zach will figure that out while I move on,

but I think I'm pretty sure Roger Penske

survived multiple plane crashes.

Matt's Manx makes me andering many miles magical.

Boy, do I love me some alliteration.

If you read my road and track pieces,

I try and get alliterative at least once a piece.

Have I considered a heated vest or gloves

for ice racing with the Manx?

I mean, dude, I'm not gonna be going that fast.

And like I ski, like I probably go faster skiing

than I will go in the Manx.

In the ice races, I'm not gonna go that fast.

What's your steering wheel made out of?

I think it's like holding onto cold material.

My steering is plastic.

And I'm gonna wear gloves.

Yeah, wear gloves, okay.

It's plastic, I'm gonna wear gloves.

I'm gonna dress essentially,

I'm gonna dress like I'm skiing

except with driving shoes on.

Totally fine.

And I'll be totally fine.

Other people have expressed much more concern

with me being cold than I,

like if you're out skiing for a day,

like I'd probably go 40, 50 miles an hour

on skis sometimes, just open to the wind.

I'd be amazed if you broke 30 miles per hour

with on ice racing, like do I have the first lay out?

I thought you were gonna say skiing,

I was like, oh no, definitely.

No, yeah, 60 miles per hour for sure.

If you hit 40, 50, no problem on skis.

You're going fucking fast on skis.

Toblerone Malone, in what situation does it make sense

to go with agreed value insurance?

For example, if I'm buying a 718 GT4,

would I need declared value insurance?

Or since most GT4s typically follow the same value trend,

it's not really necessary.

Here's why you want declared value insurance.

It's so that if something happens,

you get all your money back.

No like adjuster, no like, well,

this car's totaled and I spent 100 grand on it,

but insurance is only gonna give me 80,

but 80 doesn't get me the car I just had anymore.

Right, you know?

So like, that's why you want declared value insurance.

You essentially want declared value insurance

for as many things as you can get it for.

Like there's no reason to not get it.

The only reason to not get it

is because Haggerty literally won't sell it to you

for your daily driver.

That's the only reason to not have it.

Having insurance where you are made whole

is the best kind of insurance.

Especially, it costs a little more,

but like for special shit, you know?

If you can, you should.

No reason not to.

Here's the other, one reason, here's one reason.

You have like four or five regular cars in your family.

Maybe it's your car, your partner's car,

and your two teenage children each have a car.

And your fucking nanny has a car, whatever.

You got a bunch of regular ass cars.

Adding the GT4 to that policy,

because it is a car that will depreciate,

albeit slowly, adding a car to that policy

may give you some kind of a bulk discount

that's worthwhile.

Whereas if you only have one car

on an agreed value policy, it's gonna be expensive.

If you have a agreed value policy

with five, six, seven, 10 cars on it,

on a per car basis, it will be cheap.

Because they assume you're only driving one car at a time.

So like, if you get a bulk discount

on your regular plan with the GT4,

versus it's the only car on declared value,

it may be like double to ensure that car every year.

Now, you know, it could still be worth it.

Yeah, because if the car goes away two years into it,

and they won't give you an agreed value car,

then you're getting a lesser vehicle.

100%.

Yeah, yeah, but like, it's not fully black and white

because the premium for your first car

is gonna be a lot.

Yeah.

Oh, we talked about this.

What if Randy says, what do we think of Angel's Landing

and how do we do on the hike?

We got up to Angel's Landing fast.

We did.

I think-

We hauled ass.

I think we got to the base of the chains

in 90 minutes.

I thought we did all the way to the top in 90.

Was it all the way to the top in 90?

It was fast.

It was faster than I've ever done it.

I've probably done that hike 10 times,

including when I was like 22 years old,

and I did it faster than that.

It was awesome.

Yeah, it was cool.

But it's challenging.

For a hike that where the terrain,

like the terrain isn't challenging

until you get to the chains.

And then it's like kind of extremes.

Yeah.

But what a fucking view.

It's been fun.

Great view.

I mean, possibly the best view

in the continental United States.

There's an ounce of amazing.

It's so dope.

And now there's like nice hotels there.

There's like good food to eat.

Like it's a nice place to visit.

Yeah, it is.

There's a lot to do.

Every car, YouTubers, V8 Vantage.

Shout out to Thomas from Throttle House.

Oh, man.

Oh, he got the 4.7 too.

He got the old engine.

Thomas from Throttle House, Vantage.

You got the 4.3 or the 4.3?

The 4.3.

Oh, he really tried for it, huh?

I don't know.

Whoever he sold it to him,

I saw a Reddit thread about it.

Like, why didn't he do this?

And the owner of the shop that sold it to him responded.

And like, the only problems with that engine is X

and we fixed it.

Like, you can just do that repair.

So it should be solid.

But it is a lesser engine.

Oh, I never referred to it in terms of that.

In terms of being problematic, the 4.3.

It just, it makes a lot of noise,

but not a lot of power.

The 4.7 makes more power.

But whatever.

But he owned an Alpha, so he's used to that.

Whatever, man.

A fucking cheap Aston's a cheap Aston.

Have a good time.

How'd they look good?

Why does nobody in the car community

talk about Paul Walker and Jerry Seinfeld

having inappropriate relationships with minors?

Woof.

I mean, I don't think nobody does.

Well, Kristen Lee, I remember when I saw this question,

she wrote a great article for Jalopnik a long time ago

about this exact thing.

And then a few weeks later posted the email she'd received

from people in response to this.

But yeah, it's a totally valid thing to bring up.

And I mean, I think it's, you know,

a little problematic and Paul's gone.

Yeah, I mean, Paul's gone.

He's not here to either defend himself

or be punished, I guess.

I mean.

He met this girl when she was 16.

He was 33.

Yeah, that's not great.

That's not great.

You know, not great.

I certainly would not make that choice.

I mean, I don't know.

I guess it's like maybe better

that he like stayed with her the whole time.

Like, you know, it's not like.

Oh, that's true.

Yeah, they were together until the whole time,

which I don't know if that's better or not.

It just is a thing.

It's an objective.

It seems better.

It's like, oh, this was a genuine connection.

Yeah, I mean, that lasted and endured.

Sure.

I think that's like a little better.

Well, it's like a two people meet

and they both cheat on their spouses.

They meet and then they stay married for 40 years, right?

Yeah, like they leave their spouses for someone else.

But then they still go, okay,

at least it was for something.

And it wasn't just like, you both had,

you had an affair and then, you know,

went back to your wife or whatever.

Yeah, like I don't know if I should be like the arbiter

of like what the sliding scale is of problematic behavior.

I'm sure there's probably someone like Kristen

or somebody else that's not me that's better for that job.

Anybody really.

But like, yeah, it's not great.

It's not great.

And like Jerry, like, yeah, that was also not great.

But also he's been married to the same woman

for like 25 years and like,

it didn't seem like that was like a,

A, I think she was over the age of consent in New York

at the time, she was not a minor.

But.

Oh, that's true.

They never went out until she turned 18.

But so like, okay, but you know, it's not great.

It's not great.

But like, I don't personally need to like defend him.

But also he's been married to the same woman

for 20 plus years and has two kids with them.

And it was not, that wasn't something that I felt

it ever was like a pattern of behavior

that was problematic, the one person.

That's a good point, right.

And like, he didn't continue doing that.

Like, guy super famous, young hot chick.

You know, I don't fucking know.

I can't, I don't know how to be in that shoes.

Not great.

Not great, if you ask me.

But also like, a long time ago and not a pattern.

Right.

Yeah, rich, famous artists are not always known

for their choices, their best choices.

Yeah.

Is it going to stop me from talking to Jerry about cars?

It is not.

Which is the only thing I ever talked to him about.

I was gonna say like, most of what we focus

on this show is cars.

But we want to acknowledge your question.

Oh yeah.

And that we probably aside with your opinion,

or roughly this person's opinion.

Yeah.

My official ruling is double not great.

Double not great.

Don't do that.

Yeah.

I would recommend against that.

Cadillac, Broham and Cheez.

29 and just got my dream land yacht.

A 91 Cadillac, Bro, it's pronounced brahm.

But if you-

I like Broham.

Everybody should go see the Great White Hype

immediately.

We'll talk about it on the Patreon.

Brogum.

It's a Merlo Broham.

It's a blue Cadillac, Broham with a velour interior.

I wanna get a watch that matches the vibe,

aesthetic of the Cadillac.

I mean, if you got money,

if you got a little bit of money.

Not a ton of money.

I don't think they do,

because they have a 91 Cadillac, Bro.

But that's his dream.

Like, if you have a dream and your dream is $3,500.

Right.

You know.

So, I'll give you a look at that.

I'm not saying you should have inexpensive dreams.

That's the best kind.

If you have a few thousand dollars, okay,

which is real money, but not all the money.

You should get a two-tone Rolex Datejust

with like a white dial,

which is basically what a 75-year-old golfer

would have been wearing in like 1991.

But would you get it like a blue?

Do you want the color to match the car?

Oh, the color.

Like it's a triple blue car.

So I'm thinking if you had a white watch,

a white face Rolex or whatever,

it would pop because the whole car is blue, blue, blue, blue.

But if you are already the guy with a triple blue car

and if you wear blue shoes a lot,

like if you want to lean in,

the good news is there's a lot of watches out there

that have dark blue faces.

Yeah, I don't think we need to matchy-matchy

the color with the watch.

Plus, because I don't know the exact blue,

it would be tough to match it.

But like peak 91 would be,

do you know what a Movado Museum is?

Yeah, I bet you do.

Google Movado Museum.

I bet you know what it is.

It's such an iconic watch of like what a businessman,

oh, add the word watch.

Sorry, it's not literally the museum.

It's like, oh, there you go, images, that's it.

Yeah, sorry.

I apologize.

It's this watch.

They're just the gold case, black face

with the one little round thing at the 12 o'clock position.

That is the 1991 businessman aesthetic extraordinaire, right?

Okay, yeah, this is like, they took citizen watches

and they reduced them even more.

Got it.

This is what Kim Jong-il wore.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

So if you want to be 91,

if you want to be 91, you fuck with this

with a Movado Museum, yeah.

And believe it or not, this is like,

this is like a Swiss automatic movement.

It's like not a piece of junk.

It's just an outdated style.

It's $1,000, yeah, this is a expensive watch.

They have a quartz one, I think that's cheaper.

That blue here, do they have a way?

There you go.

There you go, that matches the caddy.

Yeah, that would kind of work with the silver.

That blue's not bad, actually.

It's not bad with all the silver on it.

I'll fuck with that blue, it's okay.

There you go.

Yeah, it's all right.

There you go, bro, him.

Yeah, I kind of dig this one.

That one's pretty cool, blue lacquer dial.

That blue is a lot like Toyota 4Runner blue.

Not a bad thing, just saying it.

Yeah, it's the battleship gray of blues.

It is, yeah, it's the Pacific Northwest rock blue.

Right, right, right.

More than you can afford, pal, Mark IV Supra.

So good.

Matt, you mentioned the Sim didn't work

because you're a feel driver.

Does that translate to your golf game

where you're a feel player

or do you like numbers and distance stats?

Well, I like a yardage number.

I like to know how far I need to hit the ball.

I do, I mean, golf is the most feel game

that there is, right?

Because your golf swing is supposed to be

the exact same motion every time.

All you change is the position of the ball

in your stance, the position of your grip

on the club, do you choke up, choke down,

and the angle of your feet.

Those are your three things you're really supposed

to change.

Your swing should be exactly the same every time.

So that kind of shit you have to feel out.

It's the only way to do it.

At the same time, knowing the yards does help.

Numbers help in golf.

Yeah, because you know what range you can hit X club

and so you don't wanna grab a driver

when it's 100 yards away.

Yeah, I do really like if I have to play,

I like walking on a golf course, if you can.

A lot of modern golf, you don't walk anymore.

But when there is a cart and you have the golf GPS

and you've got your info,

and it's not just this many yards to the green,

but it's like, I got a 120 carry to clear the ravine

but I gotta stop it before 150

because then it's in the water.

I like to know that.

Because then it's like, do I hit a high that stops

or do I hit a low roller kind of thing?

Yeah, because even if you're driving with field,

you also want to know that this turn is fourth gear,

not second or like you're braking distance, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Renee says, I'm looking to buy a second gen

Panamera Turbo for a daily,

but I'm having a hard time finding it in good,

one in a good condition.

What would I miss if I were to get the GTS instead?

Second gen, that would have been a turbocharged engine

versus a naturally aspirated V8.

Actually, I think the second gen GTS is pretty hot

and makes plenty of horsepower.

It's over 400 horsepower, maybe 430 or 440

has a great sound, similar chassis, steering dynamics

between the turbo.

The GTS might actually ride and handle better

depending on what options the turbo would have had,

but you're down about 100 horsepower.

That's where you're down.

So if you're up at altitude

and that horsepower really matters,

other than that, pretty similar experiences.

It's gonna sound good.

It'll sound rad.

Yeah, it's a good car.

It pipes on if you want to.

Yeah.

I was on the press launch for the second gen GTS

so you can go back and watch my video from 2013

or 15 or whatever that was.

And it was a nice little potato.

I remember the car was red and I drove it in the rain.

Two guys in the back of Alexis, Texas.

I love that name, it's so funny.

Which car has the best resting bitch face?

I've thought for a long time the Kia Soul

looks like Marvin the Robot from kind of sad resting face.

I guess it's not really a bitch face,

but that one is just very anthropomorphic to me.

From a Hitchhiker's Guide?

The Hitchhiker's Guide, yeah.

I mean the Ionic 6 and the general Hyundai Catfish

vibe has got a real carry

and I want to see the manager look about it.

You know?

I totally agree.

It's just kind of, it's the flat terse lips, right?

That are pulled back, but not smiling or frowning.

Just irritated.

Right, right.

Yeah, even before the refresh too.

Yeah.

Right?

Oh, that, now the Ionic 6 has a fucking,

as in are you fucking kidding me face?

That's a little, that's a little good.

This is the old one.

This is the 23.

So, but that's an are you fucking kidding me face?

The fish mouth was really the Elantra.

This one is just a straight across deadpan, you know?

That's a good question though.

Oh, this question.

What else has a resting bitch face?

Huh.

You're looking at.

That's a really hard one.

Yeah, it is.

Nope.

The Lexus trucks with the shredder grill?

It's a very like, it's a shredder face.

So, now was behind that mask, was shredder a resting bitch face

or was he smiling or was he mad?

We don't really know.

He saw the eyes, they scowled a lot.

You know, who was the man behind the mask, so to speak?

He was just, he had a fucking shit eating grin

on the entire time.

He's fighting turtles, like what a pussy, you know?

Yeah, if your name is shredder

and you're fighting turtles, you suck.

The Toking Tire, $60,000, $70,000 budget,

should I get a used Boxster GTS or a C63S

for sometimes daily driving and North Carolina back roads?

I have a TRX as the other daily.

I'd get the Boxster.

Yeah, the C63 is almost, it's not the same as a TRX,

but it's similar.

It's like forcing induction, it's that.

So, the Boxster will be a little bit more fun

and different daily at TRX.

The fuel bill must be insane.

Yeah, Quadrifoglio face, I have my father-in-law's

73 Jag E-Type V12 automatic.

It's got 39,000 miles on it.

It's in good shape except for the headliner,

but hasn't run in a couple years.

I'm overwhelmed with what to do with it.

I have plenty of cars that are better to drive,

but I wanna keep it because it's cool.

For a while they were putting

I-Pace Drive trains in them, but no more.

So, keep the maintenance nightmare V12,

but manual swap?

Yes.

I would.

Yeah, I think if you can find someone

to do a factory-level manual swap on that,

then you'll have a much more fun thing to play with.

I get wanting to keep it.

And the funny thing about E-Types is like,

they're so cool and they're so pretty,

but there's actually kind of a lot of them

and the values are like really all over the place.

Like they can be 20 grand or 300 grand

from 50 feet away.

You can't tell which one you're looking at

for the most part, you know?

The V12s are not as desirable as the six-cylinder cars,

but you can certainly make them sound fucking cool.

I mean, they do sound awesome.

So, the right exhaust and the right tuning,

that thing could be pretty rad.

And yeah, manual swap.

Yeah.

Let's see.

Well, I don't have the answer to this next question.

Do you want to try this one, Zach?

Or do you want to?

Well, the question is basically,

why does Subaru sponsor stuff like Jim Khanna?

This is Matt's video,

taught a stick now my son and I daily manual.

You know, went on the product side,

Subaru's doing the ultimate minimum

for the enthusiast market.

I think this is an interesting question.

Like, Subaru sponsors is a big sponsor

of Goodwood Revival.

And I think they also have sponsored

the Isle of Man TT for a number of years.

Like, it's almost like there's a side of Subaru

that it's the black sheep of the family.

They give the marketing team a huge amount of money

and they're like, yeah, yeah, get out of here.

We're gonna sell outbacks, stop bothering us.

We know we used to make STIs.

We're not doing that anymore.

So just here's your check and just go on vacation again.

And then they do rad stuff with their money.

So I don't know if they're just trying

to keep the flame alive

because they used to make awesome enthusiast products

and a way to keep people like myself.

I was a big fan of Subaru in my 20s.

I owned one.

They don't really make cars that excite me anymore.

But if they want to stay in my good graces,

they go, hey, we still do this rad shit.

And you know what?

It kind of works.

When I see their name on these events

or sponsoring Jim Khanna, I go, hey,

and I've found them.

They're still there.

They're still doing cool stuff

and maybe they will one day.

Yeah, that's a better answer

than I would have given.

I like that.

I don't have an answer to the next one.

We don't have enough information there.

Pugs and Porsches.

What is keeping Porsche from making the 911 smaller?

A few things.

One is the endless desire to keep moving the engine

further towards the middle.

And to do that, you keep moving the wheels

further away backwards, right?

That's how that works.

Then you have your pedestrian impact,

which makes the front of the car bigger.

And then you have customers that endlessly will say

they want more room, more luxury,

more this, and then you have safety features and stuff

that have got to fit somewhere, you know.

Sound deadening stuff.

They go, it'd be cool if the car was a little quieter.

And so they go, all right,

we got to put in a little more padding

or a new kind of window or whatever.

Yeah, it needs to have more grip,

which means wider tires,

which means bigger wheel arches.

It then needs, you know, better brakes.

That's the big one.

It's just, it's on and on and on and on and on.

Yeah, I think it would be an amazing thing,

but I don't know what it will take for us to see

the next generation be actually smaller than.

I mean, look, if you, the hybrid engine,

even though in the Turbo S, the new hybrid engine,

even though the car is heavier, the engine is smaller,

it's lower, it doesn't have like,

like if you look at the,

I bet, can you, I bet you can Google side by side,

911 Turbo S engine,

because they had a stand with the engine side by side.

And I bet you a bunch of people took photos of it.

So in the end, there's probably,

I wish someone fucking had it.

So basically, the, you know, in the past,

right up until this hybrid thing, right?

Everyone, so you had the engine accessory,

the block is flat, right?

It's a flat six, but the engine itself,

if you look at a Porsche engine on a stand,

the engine's not actually flat.

It's like a truncated pyramid almost, right?

And so, that's because all this,

the accessories and all the other stuff

that have to run off the drive belt

are stacked on top of the block,

like your air conditioning stuff

and all your alternator and blah, blah, blah,

because the new one gets rid of all that shit.

All those accessories run off the 400 volt,

the starter motor is the PDK motor generator.

So the actual motor itself is way flatter now

and like wider as compared to the old one.

So I don't know like volumetrically if it's much smaller,

but if you like look at them side by side,

it certainly does appear to be smaller.

The car isn't, but the engine appears to be smaller.

All right, no, that's too slow, okay.

That's okay.

Looks like the old engine is indeed very tall.

It is, yeah, and the new one is not.

So the center of gravity is lower.

It's pretty neat, actually.

Drift, it says, have you driven?

Yeah, we did, didn't we review this?

Did we make?

We reviewed the four-runner.

And I think you drove the Land Cruiser.

I have not driven any of the new Land Cruiser.

Oh, okay, I drove the Land Cruiser

with the four-cylinder hybrid.

Yeah, I thought it was fine.

It was fine.

Maybe I did an Instagram review of it or something like that.

Yeah, it was totally fine.

I mean, it wasn't exciting at all,

but I drove it around on the street

and I went off-roading with it

and it was effective at the thing it was supposed to do.

I probably would not get the bigger engine.

I wouldn't get a loaded-up Land Cruiser.

I'd get a middle one.

If I wouldn't get the bigger engine,

at that point I would just get the Lexus, you know.

Cool.

Or are we winding down our program?

That was it, huh?

Yeah, it's it.

When is this going up this show?

This is Tuesday, tomorrow, or Thursday?

I think this one's Friday.

This one's Friday?

Okay, so Friday, so this will still be up

because there's six days left in the auction.

So my NSX is up there on cars and bids,

a lot of action in the comments,

a lot of bids so far,

sitting at 150K as of Monday.

So we're gonna do that,

that auction ends on what is it?

The night, the 29th, it ends on the 29th.

We're gonna do a show, a live show for when it ends.

It ends December 29th at 10.30 a.m. Pacific,

1.30 p.m. Eastern.

So Zach and I will be here live.

Correct.

Counting down the minutes

and we find out if I made or lose money.

12, 29.

Yeah.

So photos by Thaddeus.

There are a great many photos.

369 photos.

There's a lot of photos.

That would be a new record.

A lot of photos.

You should see the underside photos

as the car is absolutely immaculate.

Thank you to our patrons especially.

We love you all and your usernames,

but together, not separately.

And we will see you guys next week, right?

Christmas and New Year's,

the show will be up Friday

because they come on a Thursday.

So you'll have figured that out by now.

So if this one's up on the 26th,

the next one is gonna be up on January 1st.

Second.

Yes, January 2nd.

Again, thanks.

Love you all.

Oh!

I'll plug it next show.

Let's do the next show.

Save it next show.

We're out.

Bye.

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