Updates on automotive projects and discussions about car culture take center stage in this lively episode. The hosts share personal anecdotes, including their experiences with car repairs, modifications, and the joys of classic vehicles. They also delve into humorous stories from past rallies and the upcoming Camping While Awesome rally, emphasizing the community aspect of car culture. The episode features engaging debates about car parts, restoration processes, and the quirks of owning vintage vehicles, making it a fun listen for anyone interested in automotive adventures.
Warren is out there exercising the Vanagon, Art is finally getting a Euro bumper on the E30, and Lane's car is getting sealed. We also just announced our next rally, so get excited!
Thanks for listening!
"...ded live to SD card at the Beeline Motor Club in Santa Cruz, California. Where am I?"
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a new type of pickup truck that combines the features of a truck and an SUV. It's designed to be practical and comfortable, making it great for both work and everyday driving.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is a compact pickup truck that blends the utility of a truck with the comfort of an SUV. Launched in 2021, it has gained attention for its innovative design and versatility, appealing to a wide range of buyers.
"...n it though. Speaking of sweet vans, so that's a Santana in that one. I think it's probably like late sev..."
The Volkswagen Santana is a small car that was made for many years and is known for being reliable. It's a practical choice for people who need a simple and dependable vehicle.
The Volkswagen Santana is a compact sedan that was produced from the early 1980s to the early 2000s, primarily for markets outside of North America. Known for its reliability and practicality, it has been a popular choice in various global markets.
"...e would probably allow it, especially if it was a tribute like that. I had the van again out for a week re..."
The Mazda Tribute is a small SUV that people liked for its usefulness and space. It's a good option for families or anyone who needs a reliable car for everyday use.
The Mazda Tribute is a compact SUV that was produced from 2000 to 2011, sharing its platform with the Ford Escape. It is known for its practicality and versatility, making it a popular choice for families and those needing a reliable vehicle.
"Speaking of rust art, how about your E30 fender? Dude, the E30 fender is there. It's looking great and it has not expanded on my end. So what Elaine is referring to on the E30, the entire car is totally rust free except for the driver side fender at the very bottom and the front corner, like it got eaten up there. And so I definitely need to do something about that."
The BMW E30 is a popular version of the BMW 3 Series that was made in the 1980s and early 1990s. It's loved by many for its style and how fun it is to drive.
The BMW E30 is a model of the 3 Series produced from 1982 to 1994, known for its classic design and strong performance. It has a dedicated following among car enthusiasts, particularly for its handling and driving experience.
"Like, you know, all, all of the panels on the car have original Vintags."
Vintags are special tags on a car that show important information about when and how it was made. They help people know if the car is original or has been changed.
Vintags are identification tags that indicate the original specifications and production details of a vehicle. They are important for collectors and restorers to verify the authenticity of a car's parts and history.
"...there is dot, you know, the DOTR, like, you know, OEM fenders out there that are, you know, plug and play and is technically a BMW part."
OEM fenders are replacement parts made by the same company that made the original parts for your car. They fit perfectly and work just like the ones that came with the car.
OEM fenders are original equipment manufacturer parts that are made by the same company that produced the original parts for the vehicle. They are designed to fit and function exactly like the original components.
"So the thing with this car is that it's not all original paint. And I don't, and I, so not, yeah, the panels are, you know, they, the back has been resprayed."
Original paint is the paint that was put on the car when it was first made. People often prefer it because it shows the car hasn't been repainted or altered.
Original paint refers to the factory-applied paint on a vehicle. It is often sought after by collectors and enthusiasts because it can indicate the car's authenticity and condition.
"the back has been resprayed. And I've noticed in the trunk, like that's, there's visible a seam."
Resprayed means that the car has been painted again after it was originally made. This can happen if the car gets damaged or if the owner wants a different color.
Respraying refers to the process of applying a new coat of paint to a vehicle, often done to refresh its appearance or repair damage. This can affect the car's value, especially if the original paint is preferred.
"And I've noticed in the trunk, like that's, there's visible a seam. So I don't know why I have no record of any damage."
A visible seam is where two parts of the car meet and can be seen. It might show that the car has been fixed or worked on, which can be important for its value.
A visible seam in automotive terms often indicates where two panels of a vehicle are joined together. This can be a sign of repair work, especially if it is noticeable, and may affect the car's value or integrity.
"...the paint is okay. It's not perfect by any means, but the front has a lot of chipping on it..."
Chipping is when small bits of paint come off the car, usually from things hitting it while driving. It can make the car look bad and can cause rust if not fixed.
Chipping refers to the small pieces of paint that have come off the surface of a car, often due to impacts from road debris or environmental factors. This can affect the car's appearance and may lead to rust if not addressed.
"to be kind of like patina and so it's just like this mental hurdle of like, like if I'm going to do something like I want to either be, have it be as like minimally impactful visibly as possible or just do a lot..."
Patina is the way a car looks when it gets older, showing signs of wear and tear. Some people like this look because it shows the car's history.
Patina refers to the surface appearance of a car that has aged, often characterized by a change in color or texture due to wear and exposure to the elements. Many car enthusiasts appreciate patina as it tells a story of the vehicle's history.
"I am going to do a Euro front bumper conversion finally. So yeah, so I ordered the Euro front Euro bumper..."
A Euro front bumper is a type of bumper that is designed for cars sold in Europe. It usually looks different from bumpers on cars sold in other places, like the U.S.
A Euro front bumper is a specific style of bumper that is often used on European versions of cars. These bumpers can differ in design and functionality from their North American counterparts, often providing a more aggressive or streamlined look.
"I ordered the front bumper and I got an M tech air dam that's going to go with it."
An M tech air dam is a part that helps a car move through the air better. It can make the car look sportier and help it perform better.
An M tech air dam is an aerodynamic component that helps improve airflow and reduce drag on a vehicle. It is often associated with BMW's M performance line and can enhance both the aesthetics and performance of the car.
"...what I have to pay tariff wise when it lands because I was on Reddit just checking to see if like..."
A tariff is a tax you pay when you bring goods into a country. For car parts, this means you might have to pay extra money when buying parts from another country.
A tariff is a tax imposed on imported goods, which can increase the cost of those goods for consumers. In the context of car parts, tariffs can significantly affect the final price of imported components.
"...he's got like a fully built Celica all track that was featured on Larry Chen's channel years ago..."
The Toyota Celica is a small sports car made by Toyota. It was popular for its sporty look and good performance.
The Toyota Celica is a compact sports car that was produced by Toyota from 1970 to 2006. It is known for its sporty design and performance, particularly in its later generations that focused on performance and handling.
"...he was trying to import a carbon fiber hood for his car and it was going to bump the price..."
A carbon fiber hood is a car part made from a special lightweight material called carbon fiber. It's used to make cars lighter and improve their performance.
A carbon fiber hood is a lightweight alternative to traditional steel or aluminum hoods, often used in performance and racing applications to reduce weight and improve handling. Carbon fiber is known for its strength and rigidity while being significantly lighter than metal.
"I really do like the cowcatcher air dam. Like I think it's it's really cool. It's a great look."
A cowcatcher air dam is a part at the front of a car that helps it move through the air better and can make it look more stylish. It's designed to help with airflow and cooling.
A cowcatcher air dam is a type of front bumper extension that helps improve aerodynamics and cooling by directing airflow around the vehicle. It's often associated with a unique aesthetic that can enhance the sporty look of a car.
"...they're trying to figure out ways to like sort of like discount stuff in advance, you know, like to, to incentivize people to buy..."
Incentivizing means offering deals or discounts to encourage people to buy something, like cars or car parts. It's a way to make the purchase more appealing.
In the automotive context, incentivizing refers to strategies used by manufacturers or sellers to encourage customers to purchase vehicles or parts, often through discounts or special offers. This is especially relevant in competitive markets where sales may be declining.
"...when I bought those, those magnesium BBS wheels for my 2002, I got those from Eastern Europe too..."
BBS makes special wheels for cars, and magnesium wheels are lighter than regular ones, which helps cars go faster and handle better.
BBS is a well-known manufacturer of high-performance wheels, and magnesium wheels are prized for their lightweight and strength, making them popular in motorsports and performance cars.
"...when I bought those, those magnesium BBS wheels for my 2002..."
The BMW 2002 is an older model of a small car that people love for its fun driving experience and sporty design.
The BMW 2002 is a classic compact car produced in the late 1960s and early 1970s, known for its sporty handling and performance, often considered a precursor to the modern BMW 3 Series.
"...or new badges because the back plastic badges say Vanagon GL and Volkswagen, they come with like metallic ..."
The Volkswagen Vanagon is a roomy van that people often use for camping or road trips. It's loved for its space and the fun adventures it can provide.
The Volkswagen Vanagon is a versatile van produced from the late 1970s to the early 1990s, known for its spacious interior and ability to be used for various purposes, including camping. It has a strong following among enthusiasts due to its unique design and functionality.
"So now you can just buy a whole set comes with like the VW emblem, the script that you need..."
The VW emblem is the logo for Volkswagen cars. It looks like a 'V' on top of a 'W' and is usually found on the front of the car.
The VW emblem is the logo of Volkswagen, consisting of a 'V' stacked on top of a 'W'. It's a recognizable symbol of the brand and is often found on the front and back of Volkswagen vehicles.
"...lication for a good place to use it. I have a, my 911 is at the aforementioned B line and I got the di..."
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that people love for its speed and style. It's been around for a long time and is known for being really fun to drive, which is why it's often talked about in car discussions.
The Porsche 911 is a high-performance sports car that has been in production since 1964. Known for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout, the 911 is celebrated for its exceptional handling and driving experience, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts and collectors.
"...B line is like a he's, you know, he was like Mr. 959 at Canepa and he kind of knows all the little tri..."
The Porsche 959 is a super-fast sports car that was made in the 1980s. It's famous for its cool technology and speed, making it a special car that many collectors admire.
The Porsche 959 is a high-performance sports car that was produced in the late 1980s and is known for its advanced technology and engineering. It was one of the fastest production cars of its time and is celebrated for its all-wheel-drive system and turbocharged engine.
"...so what he uses is nine, six, four seals, which is like..."
964 seals are rubber parts used in certain Porsche cars to keep water and dirt out. They help make the car more comfortable and protect it from damage.
964 seals refer to the rubber seals used in the Porsche 911 (964 generation) for various body components. These seals help prevent water and debris from entering the vehicle, ensuring better durability and comfort.
"...the car is going to go in for an alignment next week. I want to do something based on some advice that I got..."
Alignment is about making sure the wheels of a car are pointing in the right direction. If they aren't, it can cause uneven tire wear and make the car harder to steer.
Alignment refers to the adjustment of a vehicle's suspension components to ensure that the wheels are set to the correct angle relative to each other and the road. Proper alignment helps improve handling, tire wear, and overall vehicle performance.
"...this is a custom exhaust system and, you know, the graciously put together by our boy over..."
A custom exhaust system is a special set of pipes and parts that help the car's engine breathe better and sound different. It's made just for that car to improve how it runs and sounds.
A custom exhaust system is a tailored exhaust setup designed to improve performance, sound, and aesthetics of a vehicle. It often includes components like headers, pipes, and mufflers that are specifically chosen or fabricated to meet the owner's preferences.
"...yeah, they're all like a dual, narrow setup, like super sprint, isam, and all these guys. So I was looking at e..."
The Alfa Romeo Super Sprint is a beautiful old sports car that many people admire for its looks and speed. It's a special car that collectors really want because of its history.
The Alfa Romeo Super Sprint is a classic sports car known for its stylish design and performance, particularly popular in the 1960s. It represents Alfa Romeo's commitment to performance and elegance, making it a sought-after model among collectors.
"I was looking at E30 M3 exhaust systems because effectively this is what I'm running now..."
The BMW E30 M3 is a special version of the BMW 3 Series car that is designed for better performance and racing. It's popular because it's fun to drive and has a classic design.
The BMW E30 M3 is a high-performance version of the BMW 3 Series, produced from 1982 to 1994. It is known for its lightweight design and sporty handling, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
"...it's a classic rally, so 1999 and older cars only, no exceptions..."
A classic rally is a fun event where only older cars, usually from before a certain year, can join. This makes it special because everyone gets to see and enjoy vintage cars together.
A classic rally is a type of automotive event where only vehicles from a certain age or era are allowed to participate, typically focusing on cars that are considered classic or vintage. In this case, the rally is limited to cars from 1999 and older, which adds a unique charm and nostalgia to the event.
"...0s, I would go to drive in movies and my parents Ford country squire wagon. Did Bobby Reed seems just like the ..."
The Ford Country Squire is an old-fashioned family car that looks like a big wagon. It was popular for taking families on road trips and is remembered for its unique wooden sides.
The Ford Country Squire is a classic full-size station wagon that was produced from the 1950s to the 1990s. Known for its spacious interior and wood-paneled exterior, it became a symbol of family travel and suburban life in America.
"...ike a Ford country squire seeing such classics as Corvette summer, dirty, merry, crazy, Larry and vanishing..."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a classic American sports car that people admire for its speed and cool looks. It's been around for many years and is often featured in movies and car shows, making it a popular topic among car lovers.
The Chevrolet Corvette is an iconic American sports car that has been a symbol of performance and style since its introduction in 1953. Known for its powerful engines and sleek design, the Corvette is often discussed for its role in automotive history and its appeal to car enthusiasts.
"...but I remember going in my friends, his dad's 59 Caddy convertible. So that was like a that was like de..."
The Volkswagen Caddy is a handy van that people use for work or family trips. It's known for being spacious and practical, making it a good choice for carrying lots of stuff.
The Volkswagen Caddy is a versatile van that has been in production since the 1980s, primarily used for commercial purposes and as a family vehicle. Known for its practicality and spacious interior, the Caddy is popular in Europe for its utility and efficiency.
".... We are the same age one. That's true. You were born at home. We have no records. In a little, what d..."
The Cupra Born is a new electric car that looks sporty and fun to drive. It's part of a trend where cars are becoming more eco-friendly, which is important for the environment.
The Cupra Born is an electric hatchback that represents the performance-oriented brand of SEAT, launched in 2021. It is designed to offer a sporty driving experience while being environmentally friendly, showcasing the shift towards electric vehicles in the automotive industry.
"...after we bought the Mazda CX-50, we drove to Yellowstone..."
The Mazda CX-50 is a type of car called a crossover SUV. It's designed to be comfortable for families and good for driving on different types of roads.
The Mazda CX-50 is a compact crossover SUV that combines sporty handling with practicality, making it suitable for families and adventure seekers alike.
"...ing, it was super annoying because we were in the Cayenne and that's when I had learned that the Cayenne's..."
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy SUV that offers both luxury and performance. It's designed to be comfortable and powerful, making it a great choice for those who want a stylish vehicle that can handle different terrains.
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV that combines Porsche's performance heritage with the practicality of an SUV. Since its debut in 2002, it has gained popularity for its powerful engines, sporty handling, and high-end features, making it a significant model in Porsche's lineup.
"... It was something like that when we did it in the Lexus RX we had. I forget what it was, but it was like ve..."
The Lexus RX 350 is a nice, comfortable SUV that offers a lot of luxury features. It's designed to be family-friendly and is great for people who want a smooth ride with plenty of space.
The Lexus RX 350 is a luxury midsize SUV that is part of Lexus's popular RX lineup. Known for its comfortable ride, high-quality interior, and advanced technology features, the RX 350 appeals to buyers looking for a blend of luxury and practicality.
"... our first rally there, second and Marvin's, uh, Camaro broke down. Uh, the, it didn't break down. The ex..."
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty car that people love for its powerful engine and cool design. It's been around for a long time and is often seen as a fun car to drive, especially for those who enjoy speed.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a classic American muscle car that was first introduced in 1966. Known for its aggressive styling and powerful engine options, the Camaro has become a symbol of performance and is often compared to its rival, the Ford Mustang.
"someone might just pull up, hand it to you like Eric, uh, in his 944, uh, turbo driving at the end of a really long road in middle of nowhere on the coast, north coast, the car dies completely."
The Porsche 944 Turbo is a sporty car that has a turbo engine, making it faster and more powerful than regular versions.
The Porsche 944 Turbo is a performance variant of the 944 model, known for its turbocharged engine and sporty handling. It was produced in the 1980s and 1990s.
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My name is Warren.
I'm Lane and I'm Mark.
We're really doing it.
It's happening.
Dude, I almost forgot it was my turn.
Oh, how does that work?
You just kind of have pulled in our grapes.
Yeah, they pulled an art.
You're just like staring at like an email or something that just came through.
I almost forgot to pick up my microphone.
Oh, I've done that before.
Yeah.
I've been talking and then realized like the mic is yonder.
Yeah, you hear it in your headphones.
So it's like, yeah, we're doing a little inside baseball,
but we're all recording remote today.
So it's a little, a little off.
Yeah.
Well, and it's a morning podcast, which isn't super rare these days,
but it's earlier than usual.
I still have a beer, but you know, oh, look at you.
Yeah, right.
Just kidding.
Yeah.
I have a Guava, Sao Paulo, La Croix, not really like into La Croix these days,
but it just, it was in the pantry and I went for it.
Damn.
I did want to say though that speaking of inside baseball,
it is very nice to be able to hear you guys perfectly clearly.
It is, it's kind of, it's kind of a nice.
I know, I, you know, it doesn't actually hurt to do these remote like this
because you're gone anyways art.
So it's like, unless we're meeting up, it really doesn't matter to me.
Yeah.
It's kind of nice to be able to do it from home and have really clear audio and all that stuff too.
Yeah.
And like not as many air compressors turning on.
Exactly.
I mean, we've talked about it, Warren.
I could, I was thinking about bringing the board over to my house anyways,
because it's closer to you and it's actually a better scene here.
So yeah, we could start, we could, we could start changing things.
I like it full circle back to Lane's pad.
Dude, well we need like a yeah.
We need like a 10 by 10 room with a circle table, a whole cut out in the middle.
Mike stands, dude.
I saw one of those photo.
I don't know.
I was looking.
I don't even know where I saw that.
Oh, might have been on our YouTube or something because we had the video.
We still have the videos from when we did a few live podcast or you know,
we did recordings of like video recordings in that room.
By the way, 10 by 10 is very generous for that room.
Oh God, I don't think it was 10 by 10, but it was fish.
I can amounted to the bookshelf in the corner and then like when Jason Camisa was on,
I think we did it and there was a couple others maybe, but maybe when Jay Lam was there,
I don't know, but it was like we had guests.
We put them or it maybe was just a certain period of time that we were doing.
I think it was during covid.
We were like, hey, how do we do this thing?
Yeah.
Yeah, we were.
I think it was during covid because we were.
Is it during covid?
I don't know.
But anyways, that was really funny to have guests over because they're like,
alright, this is it huh?
Yeah, come on in and it's like, I mean, I think probably more like an 8 by 8 room
and then bookshelves on two corner on two sides and then plywood floor painted green
with like an Aztec princess in the middle and then we had carpet down
and then we had a round table that I cut a hole in the middle for all the wires to go through.
It was pretty, pretty sweet dude.
It was pretty sweet.
It worked out totally worked.
I remember the chairs were beyond uncomfortable.
Yeah.
What were they?
They were just like, you know, oak, whatever chairs, but then we had like the worst pads for them.
They're just like, I do remember.
Yeah.
Yeah, just terrible.
Where they weren't Marenos level or sorry.
Not Marenos, Hacienda level uncomfortable.
Nothing will beat Hacienda's chairs.
Oh my God.
Art, you need to check these things out next time you're in town, dude.
Are they like, I'll take a picture.
They're like a fucking stuff with like a they're beyond vertical, dude, and they're or they're ornate.
They're ornate.
So they stab into your back.
So they have like, yeah.
So you basically don't want to lean back.
So you're leaning forward.
You're hunched over.
Yeah.
You can't lean back, dude.
I think it's to basically like, hey, don't get comfortable here.
Yeah.
Let's get eat, eat and rest.
Like we don't need you hanging out all day.
Isn't that the McDonald's philosophy?
Like it's like, like it's like super bright.
Like the AC is a little too high.
And then also the colors, right?
They say like the yellow is like, it's not a comforting color.
And it's just so plasticky everywhere.
Whereas like you look back in the 80s, like you look at a McDonald's and it was like warm.
It's like on said, I mean, fucking shag carpet in there or some shit.
You know, like ash trays to just relax and hang out and the fireplace.
I have the same.
Who knows?
Totally little massage chairs.
I have the same theory about the beds that you get when you're having a baby in the delivery room.
They give the husbands or dads a fold out like a piece of IKEA furniture from 1990
that is vinyl and not even flat.
I think it's sketchy at past.
It's like a hospital comfort plus, you know, that's about all you get.
But I have a theory like, why do you think you should be sleeping?
Don't get, we're not going to give you a freaking bed, like a king size bed
with like great sheets and good pillows.
Like no, you're, you're dealing with a newborn here.
Like get ready for action.
I guess.
Yeah.
But you think they're thinking that much dude.
They're just cheap, right?
But dude, they wouldn't take much to upgrade that.
That is at least the ones that I've experienced.
Since they are either a love seat, the size of, you know, a 30 back seat, I think I'm
going to say is the size of a thimble or like a fold out recliner that essentially
is like a glorified fold out recliner.
That is just not, you know, it sounds like you just need to be more prepared dog
and you bring your own gear.
You bring your little temper, pedic then topper to go on that.
And then you bring a little cozy stuff.
Oh, dude, my, my mask, my eye mask and like earplugs.
Maybe yeah, like take some sleeping pills.
Don't wake up for a few days.
Yeah.
No, I think that's the right move.
I was watching like Giants playoffs during my first daughter's birth.
That was kind of nice.
What are you looking at right now?
I'm just on the computer.
Oh, cool.
That's great.
Just fantastic.
Great.
I gotta go.
I actually got to see office space again.
I'm going to play that soon at some point.
It holds up a hundred percent.
It's a great one.
Yeah, that he kind of can't miss.
I mean, that guy, he yeah, he's like judge.
He hit nothing.
He makes his success, but he can't miss.
I mean, I don't know if that's true.
Well, it's not a success.
The box office beginning, right?
Right.
Right.
But I think if you looked at like probably his overall, you know, gross revenue
for what he spends like those movies probably aren't idiocracy is probably pretty expensive,
but Silicon Valley.
That's a really popular show.
I mean it sure did well.
And so it's not for many.
King of the Hill has been on forever and like syndicated like crazy.
I'm sure did you guys ever get into that?
No, I never got into it either.
I mean, I get it, but I didn't really.
I'm not a big cartoon guy in general, but you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I know his, but his movies like idiocracy flopped office space flopped
like you look at these movies, these movies he made.
They like, I think there was another one in there.
Beavis, America.
Come on.
I mean, that was probably a decent success because he was about had was established.
Yeah, but yeah, his movies kind of flopped and then they became these like cold classics.
Totally.
I was looking at we watched Napoleon Dynamite the other night.
Andrew is Napoleon Dynamite for Halloween.
Yeah.
Did you do the dance?
Yeah, a little bit.
If you really get them in the right mood, but that movie was made for somewhere around
500,000, 700,000, something like that.
And it seems too high gross.
Yeah.
Well, that's what it was.
And it made 50 million or something.
It was like one of the highest grossing, you know, per all the budget, the margin, the ratio,
the R and I think it probably still makes, you know, a ton of money on like rentals and
syndicate.
Who's that?
Who made that?
Jared.
Jared.
Kushner.
Jared Hess, right?
And yeah, and the costume that Sarah bought for Andrew was still licensed 20th Century Fox,
like on the tag.
There's still like cashing in on every little piece of it.
I'm sure you can get generics, but that was the one we happened to end up with.
Anyways, this isn't a movie podcast.
The hell's going on over here.
I mean, that movie does have a sweet van in it though.
Speaking of sweet vans, so that's a Santana in that one.
I think it's probably like late seventies, maybe early eighties.
I think so, yeah.
I've never looked it up.
It's on the cusp.
We'd never had one at Radwood.
It would be, I think we would probably allow it, especially if it was a tribute like that.
I had the van again out for a week recently.
Actually, we had lunch.
Lane and I had lunch together.
I drove it down there.
Just a good time to be in the van.
Wow.
It was beautiful weather.
Got the double arm rests.
Good view out, you know, small tires.
Don't tell anybody about that.
But yeah, van is doing great.
I just want to report to the listeners that the van again is out and about.
Cool.
But now it's tucked away because of the rain, right?
I put it back in the garage.
Yeah.
It's back in the garage.
Never come out again.
Next summer.
Yes, exactly.
We winterize our cars here in Santa Cruz.
We take all the fluids out and, you know, what else?
Gets below like 50 sometimes.
Yeah, exactly.
Hey, man, there's snow up in that mountain up there every year.
Unsalted roads though.
Well, dude, I think there is still an opportunity here for you, right?
I think to go through that rust, you know, removal process.
I hear that Beeline Motor Club.
They have an entire paint auto body restoration business there as well.
I'm starting with some stuff I can actually tackle, which is like the door panels,
which I've been saying forever.
Just little stuff, but they actually rust.
I mean, the only thing is just driving your nuts because like I feel like that
shit expands, right?
And so it's just going to continue getting worse.
It's just, it is a big jump to go into that.
Like, yeah, because the van kind of needs a full paint job.
It's not just that like front cowl, which actually go west.
He sells those sections lane.
You know how bad all Volkswagen's are?
Yeah, all of them.
Shield base.
They sell replacement panels like the corner of the windshield.
Just the corner.
Oh, no way.
That section?
Yeah.
They sell that section.
Oh, whoa.
Makes sense.
I thought it was about the whole nose like a whole front.
But no, it's just the, it's just like the corner, the A pillar, a little bit of the
windshield base and it's super cheap.
I mean, that's, that's, you know, obviously that's just your barrier of entry there
getting, getting that piece, but it's a, it's great.
Like that's, that shows you how much this is happening.
And then the van really needs a full paint job.
Like that's just time.
Be line motor club and have a full page.
But I think it could get away with the rest and then doing just the cladding,
the, you know, the body kit portion, which is all plastic and that's all faded.
It would look so much better.
That and like a new vinyl stripe.
Speaking of rust art, how about your E30 fender?
Dude, the E30 fender is there.
It's looking great and it has not expanded on my end.
So what Elaine is referring to on the E30, the entire car is totally rust free
except for the driver side fender at the very bottom and the front corner,
like it got eaten up there.
And so I definitely need to do something about that.
And this is also a situation where I would rather have that section cut off and welded
because it is original.
Like, you know, all, all of the panels on the car have original Vintags.
And so it would be nice to keep it if I can, but at the same time though,
just as you're describing, you know, that, I mean with panels and shit like this,
like there is dot, you know, the DOTR, like, you know, OEM fenders out there
that are, you know, plug and play and is technically a BMW part.
And I don't even know if I'll ever sell this car.
Oh, did I just say that by next year, how important is it?
How important is it to have the tag?
I don't know. Like I go back original tags.
Who cares, dude?
But why don't you just source a used fender that's good and white?
They're around, but this is a this is an option.
So the, I go back to the paint situation.
Now what Warren's describing is for me, like I was about to throw down an E30 update,
which I'll get to in a second, but I don't want mismatch panels.
And so I feel like if I'm going to like do that fender, I'm going to match it to the hood,
which, you know, we can do like, you know, that you use the spectrometer or whatever
the fuck that tool is called.
And so that's fine.
But like getting another fender, just like, you know,
getting a used fender that color is irrelevant.
Really? If I'm going to do that, like I'm on the fence.
Like if I'm going to put like a good use fender on there, why not just put like a
brand new one on there that I can source?
Yeah. I guess I would think there would be, you could find an actual white fender with
original paint and just slap that on.
Yeah. So that's my thinking.
Right. So the thing with this car is that it's not all original paint.
And I don't, and I, so not, yeah, the panels are, you know, they, the back has been resprayed.
And I've noticed in the trunk, like that's, there's visible a seam.
So I don't know why I have no record of any damage.
It is an Arizona car.
So obviously sun baked out there in the dashboard is really like a testament to that
because it's super cracked, which is covered.
But yeah, I mean, I think I just keep going back and forth on that.
Like if, if I'm going to do that piece, like I almost would want to just like what I was
going to get to is if I can just cut that section off, get another piece welded there
and then blend it.
So it's like way less visible because the way that you, if you look at the fender,
the bottom, the very bottom where it's rusted is actually it's black.
It has like that, what do you call it?
Like that protective coating, you know what I'm talking about?
Like it's a crinkle.
Yeah.
So the rubberized kind of stuff.
Yeah.
So that kind of shit.
So that goes along the bottom of the entire sill.
So like if I were to just, let's say we cut an inch above that, whatever the buffer is
needed to cut it and then the, you know, that gets welded in there and then that little
strip gets blended in.
Like I would be happier there and just rock the car as is because if I'm like doing a whole
panel, then I'm like, all right, might as well.
Do I just respray the whole front end?
Because the front is kind of chipped up and I don't know, just kind of snowballs from
there.
So maybe it's my turn, you know, I'm being a hypocrite to send this and do the B line
restoration.
I mean, dude, I think that's like not even a rest.
I mean, that's a pretty seemingly minor quick little thing, right?
Especially if you're, if you're saying you don't want to go full, you don't want to
open a bunch of, you know, you don't want to do a bunch of other stuff.
Just isolating it to that.
I feel like you could get that.
Yeah, I would be happy with that because, because I mean, like, just like Warren is
saying with my car, like it actually, the paint is okay.
It's not perfect by any means, but the front has a lot of chipping on it.
The hood was just resprayed because, you know, they fixed some dents and then just
resprayed the hood and, you know, now like the both fenders on either side have chips
on the leading edges of them.
So I don't want like one fender to be like really clean and nice and then the other one
to be kind of like patina and so it's just like this mental hurdle of like, like if I'm
going to do something like I want to either be, have it be as like minimally impactful
visibly as possible or just do a lot, you know, like just like maybe redo the entire
front end if I can get it matched up because that's where the most kind of like patina
is on the car.
The rest of it is pretty solid and, and I have considered that because dropping a bomb
here, I am going to do a Euro front bumper conversion finally.
So yeah, so I ordered the Euro front Euro bumper because I do have a Euro rear bumper,
which I got during COVID imported from Ukraine pre-war edition.
And I ordered the front bumper and I got an M tech air dam that's going to go with it.
So it's basically going to be like a cleaner, more like, what's the word I'm looking for,
less tidy, prominent, tidy, yep, tidy version of the cowcatcher air dam because the M tech
one air dam looks very similar to the one that we got as a cowcatcher here, but it's
just it doesn't protrude so far where it makes the car look like it has a huge underbite.
Like it actually like is sort of angled back and it's tidy exactly.
So, so that's happening.
And the fun thing about this is the bumper is coming from Latvia because there's a company
out there that is reproducing these bumpers to a very high standard and just the metal part.
And then they use OEM trim and rubber and all of that and lights and they build those
kits and ship them out.
So they're very expensive and I'm going to see what I have to pay tariff wise when it
lands because I was on Reddit just checking to see if like, you know, it was on an e 30
look at an e 30 subreddit thing about importing parts and someone two months ago ordered a
bunch of parts from this particular seller classic year.
I think it's called classic Euro parts, something like that they do a ton of stuff,
not just e 30s and they said they got hit with a 30 percent tariff dude on like I think
I got a twenty five hundred dollar order, which is super lame.
Yeah, so thank watch this space.
You know, this is all part of the experience that we're dealing with now as car people.
I had a conversation yesterday with our but Johnny he is a used to be CS all track on
Instagram. He's got like a fully built Celica all track that was featured on Larry Chen's
channel years ago and he was saying that he was trying to import a carbon fiber hood
for his car and it was going to bump the price from like sixteen hundred to like twenty
eight hundred to import it from the UK.
So he just like held off because like he's waiting to see if there's some changes here,
but which is unlikely, but so you're telling me the other countries don't pay the tariff.
Is that what you're saying?
We pay the tariffs and the companies don't either.
That's like been crystal clear since day one to me, right?
It's like I don't know.
Ain't that crystal clear to me?
I'm I don't know about yeah.
So but yeah, but now the people we got to, you know, get up up in arms here and make
the regional local companies in the US to make these carbon fiber hoods and bumpers
for us, you know, because then we don't have to pay these tariffs.
They would only be like seven grand for that two thousand dollar hood.
Yeah, exactly.
But yeah, so I'm really excited about that because it is it is really going to
transform the car in some ways.
You know, like it's just it just cleans up the entire car.
It makes it more cohesive.
I have the rear end, the rear is all Euro spec now, but I I mean, I've just been
holding off because I really do like the cowcatcher air dam.
Like I think it's it's really cool.
It's a great look.
I know it's it's unique.
It's a one year only thing.
All that and it's it's specific and it's it's it's original to this car to a lot
of people put them on after the fact, you know, so yeah, but rip that thing off.
But that Euro bumper does tidy it up a ton, dude, wait, wait, I know what you
have going on. It is.
Yeah, it's too bad that you couldn't like swap them easily back and forth.
If you're like feeling cowcatcher today, throw that bad boy on.
Well, I mean, you know, during covid and we're like, you know, all cooped up.
Lane and I were talking about like figure out a way to sort of like because the
issue that I have with the cowcatcher is that it sticks really far forward.
You know, it's really deep so deep that it put the ass to sleep, you know, and
and so when you look at it from a profile, it looks ridiculous.
It's like it looks really unbalanced because it goes really far forward when
like it should be half the depth, but they did that to compensate for the
gigantic bumper that stuck out originally, right because it goes further
forward than the front end of the car, a ton like than the headlights, which is
like weird. Yeah, so weird aesthetic a ton. Yeah, and so in the European cars,
it's like, it's literally half the depth, which is in line with the headlights,
you know, which you would normally have in any, which is what it should be.
Yeah, exactly. So, but three quarter front, direct front looks killer.
Like I actually really like it and it looks like very motorsporty.
It's like very aggressive and all that and it is totally functional too, which is
rad. But so yeah, so we're going to go through the motions here and yeah, we'll
see what happens. I mean, supposedly it was, it was going to be, I asked the guys,
I DMed them on Instagram because they weren't responding on email. Great sign.
And they said, they said two weeks is typical from Latvia to California, but we'll see.
So just a little, a last time I got something from overseas was probably two years ago,
I got a Porsche design watch and I ordered, you know, I ordered on, you know,
this reputable site and everything. It's like a used, used watch from the 90s.
And dude, the biggest freaking nightmare to get it here. Like, like everything about it was like,
I was like, I don't think I'm going to get this thing. Like I made, I was probably on like 20
calls with UPS and all these kind of sites and no one that you could talk to,
spoke in English. It was so hard dude. And it was all about like the, it was all about bringing it
over, you know, it's all about the custom stuff and the biggest, but the biggest hurdle really was
that when they put in my address, the zip code was one number off, which, but it said Santa Cruz,
California. It says the address. It's like everything's correct, except instead of,
instead of a two at the end, it's like a seven or something, which like, and it's like getting
that changed was gnarly dude. Like basically I wrote it off at one point. One point I was at
Disneyland with my family on a fucking hour long call trying to figure it out and it still, and
then you think you get it settled and then it's like no, and then you get a, a like a notification
that the thing is being bounced back to Germany. It was the most frustrating thing. And then I,
and I paid the tariffs like, you know, I guess the tax import taxes at the time, it wasn't tariffs,
right? It's import taxes, which is tariffs. I don't know. Anyways, I paid those online,
like did the whole thing. It was like 350 bucks. Then I finally get the thing delivered, dude.
And I'm like, Oh my God, it's being delivered. And the UPS driver is like, Oh, and you need to
write a check for this amount for the, for the taxes. And it was exactly what I had already
paid. Again, I already paid it. Yeah. I'm like, here's the receipt. I already paid it. And he's
like, Oh, okay. And I actually know our UPS driver because we went to high school with him.
And I'm like, well, I'm keeping this thing, dude. You're not leaving with the package.
I'm like, I don't give a shit, dude. And he's like, I'm like, dude, you're gonna,
I'm like, someone's gonna have to fight me to take it. You know, like whatever, my God, you're
like, make sure you're like have both arms on it like this. You're like,
I mean, I was just like, it's such a crucial piece, you know, like for your child to live,
to have that, like you need to know, but it was $3,000 I spent on a thing. No, dude,
it's like, that's brutal. I mean, that's a lot Warren and I had already paid fucking,
I already paid it. And it's like, I dealt with it. It was like, it was a, it was a
probably a month. It was a month and a half at least dealing with it. Like once you said 20
phone calls, only that's the most phone calls you've ever made about anything.
Dude, it was, I worked fucking 20 hours a week on this thing, dude, for like, you know, like
a long time. It goes back to like, if, if America was making used German watches,
I know, dude, you wouldn't have this problem. They were making used Portia Design IWC watches
from the nineties. We did for the nineties. You'd be fine, dude. But anyways, the way I ended it
up, I actually wrote a check and then they like fucking erase that check two months later.
Basically, you know, I see, but it was yeah. Well, hopefully I don't have to deal with that.
It was fun, dude. It will see now. I'm so like every time anything's overseas. I'm like,
it's a thing, man. It's a thing and it's hurting these guys big time. Like, you know, I was so
yeah, I've talked to a couple people about this and it is a problem right now, like because
they're trying to figure out ways to like sort of like discount stuff in advance, you know,
like to, to incentivize people to buy, you know, and it's like these guys, this is not like,
you know, a big OEM, you know, like, you know, exporting like to capitalize on millions of people.
This is like literally like mom and pop businesses selling like components that we all need. Like
for our classic cars, they're filling a niche and then and the hard thing is that nothing's
transparent, dude. That's the biggest, the hardest part. It's like there isn't a, there
isn't like a guy. It's not like you do this and this and this is how much it's going to be exactly.
No one knows, dude. That's the hardest. Yeah, dude. Remember when, so this is like pretty all
this crazy tariff shit, but like when I bought those, those magnesium BBS wheels for my 2002,
I got those from Eastern Europe too. I think I got them from Estonia and it was on Facebook
marketplace. Some dude, he's got like a page and you know, really cool rare wheels and he
restores them and they were super nice. And I went through the motions like initially he was
very, very communicative and everything. I paid for him and then he went completely dark on me
like for like three, four weeks and I had no idea. Like did I just totally get ripped off at this
point? Like what the hell happened? And then they just showed up. Like they just were there at my
like one day they were just at my house and so there it was weird because I got everything
delivered. Like they were sitting on my, on my patio when I live in San Francisco and then
later I got a letter in the mail that I needed to pay the tariffs or whatever you know the
import duties. So I don't know how this is going to pat out. Yeah, like if it'll be like you're
describing like where it's all in advance or like I have no idea like I have zero idea how
this is going to work. Like are they going to call me? Am I going to receive a letter?
Like I don't know. I tried looking into it and it's, it's all varied too and it depends on the
shipper too. Like and I also like went down because eBay has a little thing when you go,
if it's a part overseas, there's a little section that says like, oh, like, you know,
import duties, blah, blah, blah, tariffs due to these changes, you should check like here
for more information and I click into it and it has like this crazy ass spreadsheet that has
like a bunch of information and it specifically said that like UPS is no longer shipping or
handling shipments from, from Latvia. So like, and so who knows what, what this is coming
or what they're using as a, as a shipper at this point. I haven't received a tracking number or
anything. So it's a mystery, but the good news is that this is like the, or I should say these
guys are like the, like the dudes that handle this specific product. Like no one else makes this.
There's a company in Taiwan that's trying to reproduce them and they make components,
but not like a full kit like this. And so it's like they're a known entity and like
pretty much all new, at least new Euro bumpers in the U S that you see for these cars are from
this particular vendor. It's just a matter of, yeah, we'll see how it all pans out, but
to be continued, but yeah. Best of luck. Questions time. Got a couple on our Instagram here.
Do you guys, would you like to answer them? I like to answer questions. I would like to.
Yeah, that's cool. All right. Walter Michael Woods says any project car updates or down dates?
I was going to add something to the van again, not a project really, but they go Westie sells.
I was looking for new badges because the back plastic badges say Vanagon GL and Volkswagen,
they come with like metallic on the top of the plastic, you know, so it looks like it's metal,
but they're not. Well, they reproduce just that part because the badges are fine. It's just the
metallic part that fades away over time. So they make sticker sets that you just overlay onto your
existing badges. So they, for all different Volkswagen's, not just Vanagans, but really nice.
So the badges are no longer available as a whole. You can find used ones, but they probably need
the same treatment. So now you can just buy a whole set comes with like the VW emblem, the
script that you need, whether it's synchro or whatever, and then you can just apply it. So
it's kind of a nice little update. Did you do it? I have it on order. So I'll let you know how it
looks. Yeah, it's kind of cool though, because the badge can stay on the car. I don't have to mess
with it. I could just apply it on top of it, you know. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's cool. Yeah. Not the
VW emblem though, right? The Volkswagen emblem, because that's like a real chrome. That's a real
metal one. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's like flat surfaces. So it should be easy to apply.
Lining up. How do you line it up? I don't know. I'm going to see. I think it's going to be just
based on your jittery hands. All right, dude. Yeah. A lot of those have like little, I mean,
there's like a template, right? That you like place. I mean, I don't know. It just goes on top
of your badge. It's on the car. You can't, I don't know how you would get it templatized, but maybe.
Yeah, we'll see. Template. We'll see. Thanks, man. I mean, that's a good, yeah. Vinyls replace
paint. Like that's like, that's like one of the advancements we've had, right? With like
vinyls and stuff, which is kind of cool in some areas. Sometimes it's not good, but yeah,
that sounds like a good application for a good place to use it. I have a, my 911 is at the
aforementioned B line and I got the distributor rebuilt and that's in and then I had when it's
there. I haven't picked it up yet. I need to pick it up probably today or tomorrow, but
the, I had the cowl seals replaced, which is those. So it's a see the fender to cowl seals.
So I don't know if you know, like those, they're like rubber, they're black rubber and they kind
of, so mine were like at one point in one area, they were sticking up by over a quarter inch,
like in the center, they were just been like, you know, over time they get kind of tweaked and
stuff and dried out. So I had those replaced, which is kind of a nice little, it's just one
of those little nice things, you know, you feel fresher. Yeah, exactly. I don't know if they
have, I don't think they have to loosen. They might have to loosen the fender a little bit
and pull it out. I'm not sure. So the way it is, it kind of wedges in and then it has a top cap,
like it has a wider mushroom top cap, basically it's and it's, you know, it's a stop
rain and stuff to get from getting in there. So you don't have the Volkswagen problem.
I think she tacked it specifically. No, I think it's just like a what's it called? Like button.
Oh, okay. Creamy, you know. Yeah, yeah, the little basic ass mushrooms.
Yeah, but it's a so what they do is so Kevin over there, B line is like a he's, you know,
he was like Mr. 959 at Canepa and he kind of knows all the little tricks about body work
on these poor shows and stuff like that. So what he uses is nine, six, four seals, which is like
a different. It's a it's more pliable than the old one. Not a crammy need. This is more of a
chanterelle. Maybe you're exactly. I'm just upgrading my shrooms and so it's more pliable
and it has like a bigger, a little it's a little thicker. So it kind of squishes in there better.
So yeah, we replace those and it looks good. And it's kind of like a nice little, you know,
it's a nice little feels good, dude. It feels good to like it feels good to like because the car,
like the paint works just getting worse every day because I'm driving it.
But like to keep stuff like this nice, like the little trim pieces and stuff feels good. So
yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like replacing like a simple little
gasket that's visible. That's cracked with a fresh one like that little stuff like that. It's
like and every time you look at it, you go in the car and initially if it is damaged or if it's
like dried out, it bothers you and now it's a positive man. It makes you feel exactly. Yeah,
every time I wash the, every time I wash the car, I'm like, oh, those things are gnarly.
Fucking mushroom tips, mushroom tips, dude. No, I get it, man. It didn't go drip, drip, drip though.
It did not. Okay. Do you have any E 30 updates other than what you've already discussed bumper
wise? Not really. Oh, well, speaking of mushroom tips and hood alignment, I did. I did notice
something while the car was at Radwood that when I put the hood back down and I hadn't really paid
attention to this, but you know, the hood was redone and then reinstalled and I feel like I
need to space up the front a little bit like it sits lower than the fender line on, you know what
I'm talking about? And so that's like an adjustable thing. So I just need to like bump it up like
maybe quarter inch, something like that, like, and just to make it, you know, look right. And it's
one of those details where it's like, you know, most people don't notice, but I see the car
often and especially when I go in the garage and I was like, huh, yeah, that needs to be adjusted.
So I'll tweak that because especially if you look at the fender line from the back of the hood to
the front, like the back is correct and then it sinks. It's like, so yeah, that's pretty yeah.
So I'll I'll adjust that, but otherwise. Yeah. I mean it's there is. I have an idea
and I talked to Schneider about this because the car is going to go in for an alignment next week.
I I want to do something based on some advice that I got. So as you guys know, this is a custom
exhaust system and, you know, the graciously put together by our boy over, it was the kind of a
guy, but not not Kevin, right? It was a different dude, the guy that did all the exhaust there.
And so it's a super nice, you know, stainless steel custom deal, but it's three inches all the
way from the collector all the way to the tip. And so I think the idea was like they saw this,
okay, well the collectors three inches, we'll just go three inches all the way back. This is
actually what they've done in the past, you know, some of other people with swaps, including k-power.
So seemed like the right thing to do, you know, it's a high performance build, blah, blah, blah.
But then like I've been doing research and every single aftermarket e 30 exhaust is a narrower
dual setup, which sits higher up. So it gives you more clearance and this one I scrape a lot and
my car is not that low. And so I took it to an exhaust shop here in town and he basically
told me the same thing. He's like, yeah, dude, I have, I have no room to put in a resonator
and all aftermarket e 30 exhausts. This guy's been, this shop has been here since the 80s. He's
like, yeah, they're all like a dual, narrow setup, like super sprint, isam, and all these guys. So
I was looking at e 30 m three exhaust systems because effectively this is what I'm running now,
right with the high performance for Sander. So I talked to Schneider auto house and I'm
like, yo, like, what if I get an e 30 m three, like performance exhaust? And then you basically
hack off, hack off the section where it connects with the header and the collector and we mate
those together. Like, is that a possibility? And they think so. So I'm considering that as an option
to basically go to the next evolution of this exhaust because as much as it was nice to have
this custom thing made and it's really pretty and all that, it's just, I'm just unhappy with the
sound still. It's still a little too loud, but which is not the end of the world. It's just,
it sounds like shit. And then also I'm scraping a lot. Like I, I'm damaging it like, and I'm just
driving around town, like not doing nothing crazy. And it's just, it's, there's no way to tuck it
up further into the body. It's just, it hangs too low because it needs the clearance based on the,
on the diameter, you know, so, so yeah, I mean, and then an exhaust system like one that's built
for the 30, it's specifically designed for that underside too, right? So it'll be like,
you know, hung exactly where it needs to be and all that. So, so yeah, I, I sent them all the
information and they're, we're going to talk through it and see if they, if they think it makes
sense. I don't see why not, but that's likely what I'm going to end up doing. And then you go giant
Moogan tip. That's right. And maybe a, yeah, four and a half, 10. Oh yeah. Okay. Like with the one
where you can put the CD, he held up the CD next to it and just to show that it would fit a CD in
there and it's got to have the Moogan font. Well, ideally you also have it where it's like that,
like burnt titanium look or whatever where you have the, the it's a purplish, he treated exactly.
So that's what you're looking for. So that's a another detail and the other thing that I had
not mentioned is I did replace the throttle body and I fixed the weird like rev hang issue, but
and that was sorted. But unfortunately my high idle issue persisted and you know, and Nick mentioned
this. He just, they just ran out of time. He's like, yeah, I think it's, it's something with
the timing advanced at idle and it's part of the tune and it's something that they couldn't really
get to in time. So I did more research. I talked to K-Power about it. They're like, yeah, that's,
that's a known problem as well. So once now that I've done, gone through the motions of changing
all these different pieces with the throttle body, that's all smooth and great, but I'm still idling
very high, like at 1700 RPM. So I talked to the Schneider on a house guys to to see if
they're willing to tinker on it. If not, I have to figure out next steps on that, but because
it is annoying. So that will be sorted. So watch the space. We'll see when I, when I get that
squared away. I have a, I have a little thing. Maybe you guys can give me your opinions on it.
So the 9 11, my 9 11, the day, day after I got it, I guess I was heading home from LA
and I got rear ended. Do you guys remember that? I do remember. Yeah. Yeah. And the, the bumper,
the overrider, which are huge on my car, right? The big American overriders on the back. Yeah,
the bumper rats. One of them got a little, it has like a little Preston tear, basically a little
Nick, right? Yep. And those overriders are crazy money, dude. Like I want to say like 300,
350 bucks each, but I did buy a set of Euro ones, which were way cheaper because people make them
aftermarket and all this. And I bought, I bought these Euro ones for like, I don't even know,
$50 each or something. Whoa. But when you put the, when you put the, and I bought those like
three years, three and a half years ago when I bought the car, but when you put those on,
they only take two bolts and the stock bumper has four bolt holes. So I was like unwilling to put
them on and then have like two little plugs right there, even though my car is black and I don't
think it would be the worst thing, but it feels a little too like going down that aftermarket
rabble like space that I didn't want to go with that car. But what do you guys think? I mean,
I was thinking, you know, with access to beeline to them doing bodywork and stuff,
I was thinking, having the holes filled and then having those overriders put on,
do you guys think that's a good call? Or is it, I mean, and it would look way, I mean,
obviously looks way better. They stick out half as much and they're a third the size.
They're way narrower. It's so much cleaner, dude. So much narrower. Yeah. I would totally do it.
Yeah. I mean, I feel you on the plug thing. It looks chintzy. I mean, realistically,
can you try it? Can you try it with a plug first and just see? I just know I don't want those four
plug holes, dude. Yeah. I mean, so it's like, I, and I know what it looks great without it,
obviously. It's like, you see these, but it's just a matter of like going down the whole like,
but I mean, I guess it's not like the cars, some like pristine example of a nine 11 or anything,
but it is pretty stock, but I don't think, I don't know. I'm like, that's not, this is like not
even OEM plus. This is like OEM Euro, which like, yeah, that's a, that's a beneficial thing. I think
it's like Euro bumper. Yeah. You're like, you're a bumper conversion. I'm checking right now. Yeah,
to see like, yeah, you're, it looks like you can get a Euro bumper. They're about a thousand
bucks, but like, I mean, realistically, you know, it's the same thing. It's just no holes. Yeah.
And there's good used ones. I mean, like for 500 bucks on eBay, but you still have to ship them
and whatnot. Well, and I don't have to have it painted regardless of filling that hole is like
the filling those holes is minor. Yeah. There's no other differences between a Euro and a US
bumper. Yeah. And I mean, and so I can't picture it right now, but basically would you then respray
the whole bumper black after you do that or just blend in that section? No, you'd respray the whole
thing. Oh yeah. It's like, it's a small, yeah, it's a pretty small bumper, right? Like overall,
it just, it has the big rubber strip in the middle and then it has the accordions on the side.
Right. So you just assemble that, right? That's, I mean, I would totally do it. Yeah. I think it's,
it's a big improvement and it's not super invasive. It's not like getting into the body or anything,
right? And, and it's also like a welcome upgrade. I don't, it's kind of like, like in this situation
with my car, right? It's not like anybody is seeking out the E 30 with the big ass diving
boards, right? Like if you put Euro bumpers on it, it improves the appearance significantly
and the, and ultimately the value, right? Like I think it's a, it's kind of a win-win really.
The only thing is really kind of downtime, but I mean, I don't know how, you know,
if that's like a one day job really winter, winterize it. I mean, it's definitely not a one day
job because you're painting a bumper and stuff. So it's probably, you know, a week and a half or
something. Oh, there you go. In reality, I was thinking 20 minutes, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zephyr
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