We Love England - DWA! Podcast Ep. #906

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Classic clip.

You know, a clip I saw the other day that made me laugh.

I sent it to our buddy, Drew, but it's that there was a helicopter rescue.

This is probably five, ten years ago.

Oh, the lady spinning super fast.

Now, yes, grandma fell and hurt her face.

They insisted on a helicopter rescue, which she, I guess, had declined,

but they, you know, insisted.

By the way, that can happen where you were like, let's say you were sitting at work

and you say, I kind of chest pains and stuff.

And if somebody thinks that you're having a heart attack and they call ambulance,

like that that's happening.

You can't like call it off.

They're really insistent.

It's like a CYA situation, I believe this happened to an older co-worker

of mine where he was like, I have chest pains and I'm not feeling that good.

And they went down this path and he was like, no, no, no, I'm fine.

I like I can get a ride to the emergency room.

Like I'm fine.

I don't need an ambulance.

And they it was too late.

They wouldn't they made him do it and it was very expensive.

Anyways, this old lady gets picked up in the desert and they put her on a stretcher,

like one of those cages, basically, and have it attached by a rope

to the bottom of the helicopter, which at first I'm like, why?

I guess they couldn't land the helicopter, right?

So they're going to just carry her under the helicopter in the open desert air

over to a place where they probably can land at an ambulance and all that stuff.

Well, for whatever reason, the wind or like the props,

I don't know what was going on.

It sends the freaking thing.

It's spinning so fast, like faster than any amusement park ride times five

times 10, like, I don't know.

This is probably the most traumatic event regardless of her face.

You I mean, I'm certain she passed out though.

Like there's no way she was like conscious dude.

It was so gnarly 50 G's dude.

Yeah, like it was just imagine a rush of blood to the head.

What is it?

That Coldplay album dude.

Yeah, it's insane.

It was Coldplay was playing as she was spinning.

And I was just picturing even a navy seal in that thing would have passed out.

Oh, it's grandma who's probably that's never driven over 60 miles an hour.

And like, yeah, has never experienced the full G in her life.

And it's just like centrifuge to the max.

And there was nothing they could do because I don't think you could even lower

her back down safely because it would have like, oh, you know, she would have

been mincemeat dude.

Like, yeah, like I don't even know like how like, yeah, because a million pieces.

There had to be some sort of protocol moving forward after that, right?

Like how to change your mid like another rope.

You would just need a guide rope that holds onto one, right?

You can control it versus just one, just one, then it's not spinning anymore.

You know, like you can hold her feet in his stills position and that's it.

But that is unbelievable.

So anyways, the end of the story is that they sued, of course.

And they only gave her $450,000, which, you know, it's a lot of money.

Don't get me wrong.

I mean, I don't know if you get taxed on on insurance claims, but.

It seemed like almost ended her life, you know, it was crazy.

Yeah, it was crazy, man.

It's out there.

It's so funny.

If you want to look at a desert helicopter, helicopter ladies spinning.

I think that's what you would look like.

Helicopter lady rescue bad news.

Yeah, no, I like it.

Um, dude, so, um, I did see that pop up back in my feed recently.

Um, and, uh, I think it's just, you know, what happens is these kind of

code resurface, right?

And then like anyone that you're associated with, if they see it, it

serves it to you too, because you all look at like similar content, um,

including, but also what happened, also what happens is your, uh, wife's

friend sends it to you as a new piece of information.

Yep.

Oh, she's never seen it before and she's like, you got to see this.

Can you believe this just happened?

And I go, no, because it didn't just happen.

Oh yeah.

The girl just happened.

I saw a good, I saw it just happened of, um, Eddie Jordan passing away recently.

Uh, it was a post and I'm like, I'm like, whoa, that's like seven months ago.

All right, I got fed.

I saw one that came through and it was the big sir highway one landslide had

slid again due to seismic activity.

I was like, Oh no.

And I searched for it cause it got me and I'm like, no way.

It's like, that would mean like basically start over and it was fake news.

Or it was just like the original slide, you know, it was coming back around.

So it was just saying, you know, and people were commenting like it had just

happened.

So I'm like, Oh shit.

Yeah, that's annoying.

I couldn't find anything.

So I don't know.

Well, the speaking of virality and something that has popped up all over

the place recently is, have you seen that new mini Land Cruiser FJ looking thing?

Yeah.

Um, so I, they're calling it a baby Land Cruiser.

I'm trying to figure out, I actually was looking up right now cause I didn't, I

didn't see this, but the proportions are so funky.

I thought it was like the size of a Jimny.

Is it not?

I feel like it's the size of a Bronco Sport.

Oh, okay.

And, and it's smaller than an FJ, much smaller than a Land Cruiser.

Cause it's not, it says that it's, um, uh, yeah, it's significantly,

it's 11 inches shorter than the LC 250, which is like, you know,

they're smallest little Land Cruiser.

Um, and then you have, um, yeah, it was, I saw the FJ comparison was,

was bigger.

It was even smaller than that, right?

Um, yeah.

It's much smaller and it made me think you could really get away with, um, rebranding

a lot of cars nowadays and you couldn't tell the difference.

Like if I went and put Toyota wheels and a Toyota grill and some other touches on a

Bronco Sport and said like, check it out.

It's the new FJ, FJ, junior, um, FJR.

How about that?

I think you could fool a lot of people because

cars are so homogenous now.

It's just like, I don't know.

I mean, we were talking about that when we were looking at that,

the high end Genesis and stuff.

It's like, you can just take the grill off of these things and fool a lot of people.

Yep.

Um, yeah.

No, yeah, that is true.

I can totally see that.

Um, I was trying to see how long the Bronco Sport is, but yeah, I think, um,

yeah, I got just like proportions in a vacuum are hard to tell, right?

If it's not sitting next to something else, like, and I thought it was like a tiny

little thing, which would have been super cool.

Cause like, um, there's rumors on the internets that there might be a mini G wagon as well.

I don't know if you've seen that.

And I did see some of that.

That would be super cool.

Well, no, you know what I saw?

It was talking about bringing the cab or the two door back.

Oh, okay.

So it wasn't a mini G wagon.

It was just like the two door G wagons that they made for a while.

Yeah.

Um, that concept returning, but I could be wrong.

Yeah.

Uh, that's a ultra niche thing, but I guess they see enough of a market.

They're printing money with G wagons, except for the EVs, which I feel are such a good

buy, like probably even a couple of years, like once they've been sitting around and

no one wanted one, like, I mean, like, that's like one of the worst buy.

Cause no, no one will know how to fix them or true.

But I think just for an experience though, like, I think it's like, I'm surprised.

Like I, I was trying to make sense of all of that because like, I thought like,

you think of the demo, you think of like what they appreciate, like, you know,

they want the instant torque, they want the power, they want the status, they want the looks.

It's not necessarily about having a rowdy V8 or whatever.

But like, um, I think then you start like looking at ease of use, right?

Like folks who were maybe traditionally buying G wagons are not interested in adding

electrical chargers in their house and then having to deal with charging a car and

all of that, it changes their lifestyle.

Right.

But like, um, so the move there is if I was at Mercedes, that would be like every, every,

if I like, I would go around every fucking dealership, you will install and

handhold them through this whole process.

Everybody gets an electrical charger.

Like that's like, try to incentivize them that way and ease the, you know, minimize pain points.

The buyer of a G wagon is so unconcerned with the environment.

Yeah, it's not that.

Right.

It's just more sacrificing.

Yeah.

It is more luxury.

Yeah.

At the luxury.

And that's what I was saying.

Yeah.

It's like they're, they have plenty of torque because the gas and

they're very, very fast car and like all of the other stuff is a gas car.

So what are you really gaining?

Yeah.

Right.

I just don't know if you're gaining much of the electric there, but I agree that it's

an interest, especially the fact that you can do that fucking spin on a dime trick

is the ultimate.

But yeah, I'm just curious to see every gravel lot would be, I would do that every time.

I don't know how much they cost now, but I feel like it would be a perfect car for my

wife.

She would like, it's exactly what she likes.

Like for me, like it's, she's got the looks, it's got the space for the kids.

It's, and it's, she wants immediacy of all inputs, like all that stuff.

Like, so I feel like it would be the right vehicle for us, but not.

I have no idea how much they've depreciated at this point, but I'm sure.

I mean, they've, they've depreciated quite a bit, but they're still very expensive.

Right.

Cause they're 200 grand, probably.

Yeah.

MSRP, right?

Yeah.

So we're not.

So they're like 120.

Yeah.

It's still gnarly.

You're like not really needing that.

Yeah.

I always think the, the best move there is the luxury vehicles that, that use it best is

like the Rolls Royce Spectre and the E classes and stuff that have been hybrids and such

S classes, of course.

Yeah.

But the big SUV thing is tricky.

Like the new Cadillac, I saw one the other day, the electric one.

Yeah.

And it's so, it's such a huge car.

So yeah, the Escalade.

I just don't know if there's a buyer for that.

It just seems like one of those kind of, uh, it's going to be in and out so quickly now

with the, the shift that the auto industry is making where, and it felt to like rushed anyways,

not that I'm a, I'm against this electrification incentives, but it was such a short timeline,

you know, to get everything a whole fleet's over to electric power and now there's no

incentive. So they've quickly pivoted.

I mean, Porsche and Mercedes and I mean, I think all of them are realizing,

especially in that higher end market, like it's just not worth it.

I think it's going to, it's going to go back and forth.

Like it's like a lot of these swings.

I mean, like, yeah, because the rest of the world is electrifying and we're not.

So it's like, we're, we're definitely going to be behind the ball, like in the long run.

So we'll see how that goes.

And again, as you know, we love ourselves, you know, an ice engine and, you know,

especially as for enthusiast vehicles, we've talked about many times, you know, like it's,

that's, you know, if you wanted a fun, interesting engaging machine, ice is the way to go.

Like sure you can make, be creative with, with EVs and do something that makes,

to try to mimic the experience.

You know, we're, I don't know if we saw that 86 that Lexus slash Toyota built with a,

with an electric engine or with the EV sorry, electric motor, but it has a manual transmission

and it tries to mimic the power band of the for AG and everybody's driving it right now.

It's like all of our friends are in it right now, but it's just, yeah.

Anyways, I think it's still going to be the long term play.

I feel like it's just, you know, current political, you know, climate, like things have

been kind of reversed and also just, as you said, all of the stuff that we had talked about,

like the infrastructure and like the support just was not there and it didn't develop

fast enough. So like it's become a big problem. But, but yeah, I mean, China is like, you know,

adopting a mad and they're way ahead of the BYD has crazy stuff.

Yeah, but they were talking about a new BYD K car or a K truck that they're proposing that

will really upend that side of the business and I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah. They, they have no, all the restraints are off, you know, there and they're doing some

wild stuff. So I mean, they've already, as of this year, they've EV sales I read have exceeded

ice sales like over 50% now in China. So it's, that's all happening there. So, you know, and as we

look at competing across the board, it's obvious, right? Like, you know, as they become an emerging

power and they want to, they want American products and or European products. Like

if you want to get into that market, you got to have the, what we want to buy, right? So

it's a supply and demand thing, but we'll see.

Yeah, dude, I don't know. I mean, I'm still happy with my, my eGolf. I hope that, you know,

there's a, the R3 becomes the thing eventually to replace it because that'll get long in the

tooth. But I thought it was funny. I don't know if you saw some of the posts from Jason

Kamisa's podcast, the CarMudgen, they had a conversation about, it actually stemmed from

the Malaise era and how it was like, it was a huge pain in the ass, but it actually like improved

vehicles significantly, right? Like for many reasons, obviously from pollution, but also

efficiency and performance and like, you know, like a horsepower per liter, like, you know,

all of these things, right? So that all stemmed from that because they were, it was kind of

imposed and forced on us. And it was kind of an interesting conversation, which became very

controversial. And because it went, like Derek made a comment about, like, you know, there's no

reason why we should be wasting gas as a precious resource on people who don't appreciate it. Like,

you know, us as enthusiasts who like really, you know, enjoy the exploding gasoline and

propelling ourselves that way. Like, like, yeah, leave that to us. And then everybody else, yeah,

go in your appliance and do your go about your thing. And that's fine. Like, you know, and it's

there's efficiencies around that. There's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Sure. Whether or not it's, it's,

it's more, you know, environmentally safe or better. I know that's still, there's many different

arguments all over the place. Absolutely cleaner air. But where are we pushing the other issues,

right? Like in terms of, you know, sure, the sourcing and the mining and the production of new

things. But yeah, so a lot of people, it was very gnarly because they posted that quote on the

main Hagerty feed and the comments were like gnarly. Like it was intense. Yeah, like very targeted

and, and, you know, just really shitty things that people were saying about them to specifically

for even talking about this and having a platform. And I was just like, wow, like, and I feel like

it's just very misunderstood. Like they don't, like there's just, because EVs are so heavily

politicized, right? Like, you know, that it's, it's not about that, that it wasn't the conversation.

It's like, like EVs are a practical tool that are very good at commuting, you know,

like doing like things in like city driving, like all of these things. And they do that extremely

well. And there's, you know, there, you can't argue against that. Like they're just, you know,

just the way that they deliver power, the efficiency, the quiet, the lack of maintenance,

all of those things are great, very positive things. But yes, like there are other issues

that come with that. But overall, like it's a phenomenal tool for a certain task. And like,

it wasn't like trying to say like, they weren't saying like, we should all convert to EV and do all,

you know, this or that, they were just saying that making that point. And then saying like,

also for the masses, like sure, if like, if, if gasoline cars are going to be heavily taxed

and or we're going to have all these issues, like, you know, it's like, it's, it's just a

precious commodity that like we need to like respect. And anyways, I mean, yeah, you could,

you could also make the argument that there's more of it now than ever. And it's not precious

at all. Like we haven't even reached peak oil. Well, yeah, there's like that intersection of

like at some point, right? Like I don't know if we were at some point, we're going to reach the

point where the demand is higher. But like if that now, if that becomes more abundant for us,

you know, like, right, right, because that there's a higher EV rate adoption than like,

you know, there's, there's an opportunity there. But I did something very recently

that is big news that involves an ice vehicle. Soldiers. I sold my Z three.

Look at that. So I had mentioned, you know, that I was looking to sell. I didn't

list it anywhere outside of making a few Instagram posts. I had been talking to one

platform in particular and that was going to happen. And then one of our homies

from broad arrow auctions of all places reached out. Yes. Who is that? So will will reach down.

I don't know if you've met him. He's a younger dude. He's a specialist there.

I'm not sure how long he's been there actually now, but he moved out from the east coast and

great dude just so happened to be looking for a clown shoe. And he specifically was interested

in mine because he knew what it was. And you know, the nerdy stuff, the three leader, this and that.

And, and Dave, who's at a garage on social there in LA saw my post. And so Will was looking for a

cloud shoe and he's like, Oh, look, you should look at arts. He's like, Oh, shit, like that's,

that's what I'm looking for. So, so we, I pulled my, my post down and I didn't pursue the auction

thing. And so we had just been trying to coordinate on when we could make this deal happen. And so

last week I drove down and sealed the deal there. So it went to him.

That was funny. You, we were talking for work stuff and you're like, I'm down in Van

Eyes at the broad arrow office. And I was like, that's kind of weird, but I don't know. I figured

something, some partnership, some, I don't know what was going on. I didn't really ask. And then

this makes more sense. Yeah. So there's, yeah. So at that point, you know, you start to add other

things while you're there, right? Because it's like, Hey, like, yeah, I can work and I really

enjoy working from there because it's a super nice facility. And I've been there a few times now.

And, you know, I ended up taking all of my calls for the day there and ended up meeting with some

other folks. So, but the original incentive reason was to go down there to sell the vehicle. So

yeah, yeah, it went to a good home. He's super amped on it. Like he's a young dude. He's in

his early twenties. He's like, he, he, oh, by the way, he's got an F 31, which is, you know, the

2014 through 2019. Oh yeah. BMW wagon. So 320. I know all about the X drive. It's an,

it's an M sport pack car. So it's got the really cool body kit, you know, and a bunch of different

little details that make them way better. Like the sport seats, suspension, all, you know,

different wheels, brakes. Did they make a manual wagon at that point? Not here. Unfortunately.

But so yeah, it's a really, a really cool looking car. It's a, it's a great package. It's,

it's gunmetal gray over black sports heat interior, 46,000 miles. It's a 2014 pretty low

mileage for the age. And yeah, so he basically like moved here and like bought like a city car.

He thought that was like a little more grown up and he just realized it was just way overkill

for like what he was doing, commuting back and forth to the office and, and he likes to go up

in the canyons all the time. And so this car wasn't here. He's not like in a position to have

two cars right now. So he was in a good spot to get rid of that one. And so that one's up for sale

now. I think he's going to list it somewhere on BAT or something unless someone wants it. But

I shared it with our buddy, Navid, because I know he buys and sell those all the time. He's,

he's had a bunch. So he's sort of interested in it. But yeah, hit me up if you're interested

in that car. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's taken really good care of the car.

And now he's rolling in mine. He immediately went and like went on several drives in it. He

took them. So he works from the Weaver. Weaver's his boss. And so, and so they went up into the

Malibu canyons right away and they were just like texting me about how like, how fun the thing is.

And, and I'm like, yeah, I told you, like, because when I went down there, I, before driving down,

I said, dude, like, we need to like find a good road because like we're like van knives, like

big, huge grid, the worst pavement surfaces, like the freeways are horrible. They have like

those super gnarly expansion joints and they're all fucked up. And I'm like, just driving over

here, like it's on H and R sports and Bilstein sports. It's not a super harsh setup, but I was

like bucking like a fucking Bronco because like it's a really short wheelbase and it's firm.

Like dude, the frequency was all screwed up. So yeah, like, luckily he got, you know, he

understood that. And like one of the other guys, I forget his name, who's that brought

arrow was there in his boxer. And he's like, yeah, dude, like I'm the same way, like my

boxers, like a stock suspension. And I feel like in the same way as, you know, same experiences

you're describing. So, but yeah, let's get the final, final stats on this bad boy. First of all,

what year, year was the Z three 2002 Z three coupe 3.0 manual transmission. That's super

key. They made a lot of automatics. And when you go look for a three liter coupe, you know,

which they're, they only made 1050 of a ton of them are automatics. Like it's, I don't know what

the logic was there. They were not trying to cannibalize maybe on the S 54 M coupe sales or

something. Yeah, that could be. And so, yeah, so this was a manual and one detail. See this,

he was the perfect buyer because he was like really enthusiastic about it and he knew what it,

like all the stuff, right? And so he was stoked on one detail that basically sealed the deal for

me is that it had aluminum interior trim and a lot of them almost all is a big one. Dude,

almost all of them have that gross, like freaking wood. I don't even know if it's real, you know,

like the veneer fucking weird wood on there. And that's a really common. So like, you know,

just all of the stuff, right? You know, this is a sport pack car. So LSDs with the aluminum

trim interior. It has a different shift knob sports the sport M sport steering wheel. Sorry,

same as the Z 3M. It's the one to get. If it was in a very interesting color,

it'd be like a unicorn status. Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, this is still so black.

How long did you own it? I bought it the first week of December.

So less than a year. Yeah, less than a year. Yeah. And how many miles roughly do you know?

I put 6,000 on it. Okay. Yeah. There you go, folks. That's an art ownership experience.

Buy, fix and modify. Talk about it. So move on. Yeah. So I feel like it checked the box,

right? That's like always my experience is like, it's, I've had a Z 3M coop and I've driven all

of the different versions of them. And this is like the one that I had been trying to like

experience because it's such a like an interesting package. And, and it's, yeah, it's a pretty

unknown thing. Yeah. Like I've talked about it before, but like I, I'm very confident that like,

to say that it was almost identical, if not identical performance with the S 52 powered car

with the Z 3M coop. Right. Because it is lighter powers down by 15 horsepower or something,

like really small. And like it's just also the torque delivery and power delivery is better

because it has more mid range the way it's dual overhead cam vannos versus single and

all of those things add up and like just the agility of the car with this, with a quicker

steering rack and also narrower tires. Just, it makes for a really fun package. So yeah,

I think these are really underrated if you can find them. And especially because, you know,

15 to 20 grand will get you a nice car. And, you know, just like, you know,

same thing with the M roadsters too, I feel like those are really good value because I mean,

you get them in the low teens all day long. I know. And that, that is a great car, like Nick

bought. It just checks all the, a lot of boxes, especially if you're under a roadster and you

want that smaller compact. Yeah. Experience. I mean, an S 54 car is 60 to 100 grand depending on

the mileage and condition and color. You know, it's like, it's really the premium is crazy high.

Yeah. For the S 54 cars, the S 52 cars, you can get a good driver in the mid to high 20s.

But like, you know, obviously lower mileage and color, you know, that gets nerdy and then

you're getting into big money. But yeah, it's, I feel like there's a lot of value here in these

even, I mean, realistically, if you're into like the standard Z threes, like they're so cheap and

it's like a pretty cool package. Like if you like them aesthetically, like, I mean, nice inline six,

you know, good suspension, they sound good. They drive well, like it's, it's, they're really under

rated because I mean, 10 grand, eight grand will get you a nice like 2.8 or three liter. And yeah,

it's, it's a pretty good little car. I'm not a fan of the four stuff. I don't recommend that.

No, I've been just talking with the, you know, mutual buddy will about Z four M coupes. And I

really like those. I think that's you lose a little bit of the analog lightweight kind of feel,

but you gain a lot of modernity. And I do like the styling. It's, it's always grown on me every

every time I see one, I'm like, I like it more and more. Our friend, Mike, who used to be a

producer of the podcast has a nice one. It's a, that kind of grayish brown. I think he has brown

interior too. So it's really cool looking car. His was like a high mileage example, but yeah,

those are great. And then the Z four roadsters, like an M roadster, those are really inexpensive yet.

Those are cool and they offered a manual hardtop. So you could just reach back and grab it. That

stage in the game. Like I think the analog manual is the way to go. So yeah, anyways, those are,

those are some good values still out there. I'm looking at it right now. I pulled it up

because I don't know. I'm just on classic.com. Like, you know, an O seven car with miles,

like a hundred thousand miles, 26,000 bucks. Like that's a lot of car for that. And then

you have, yeah, like you're talking Z four C four M coupe. Yeah. So, and then, you know,

low thirties gets you a car with 70,000 miles all day long. And then naturally as you go lower

and mileage, you get into the forties and fifties. But I mean, yeah, it looks like 30 K will get you

a super nice car. And that's, that's a great color. Color plays a part. There were some cool

colors and interiors got kind of cool too. So yeah, I don't know. That's, that's a rad one. And

it would definitely do it all. It's kind of a fun daily utility, a little hot hatch,

but also a rally car go up into the hills, all that stuff. So yeah. Yeah. I should mention

that we are on the doorstep of Radwood SoCal. And I think some folks that are listening to this

podcast may be coming to that event. We can't wait to see you there. Some cool cars coming.

And I think we can officially talk about it now, but the Peterson Museum

is bringing drumroll art. Dude, the Michael Keaton Batmobile, man. So this is the 1989

and Batman Returns car. And yeah, the one from our youth that is really meaningful. It's like

the one, right? I mean, I like the Tumblr. It's really cool and all that, but this is like the

one that I'm most interested in for the same reason. Yeah. Because it was just, you know,

time and place. And I don't know. It's also so gnarly. Somebody responded to my story and they

said that it was like the goofiest looking. And I'm like, I think it looks rad, dude. I think it

actually looks really cool. Like, yeah, of course, it's a, it's a freaking cartoon character, you

know, superhero car. Of course it's going to be exaggerated, but like it's actually like so well

done. I feel like they did a good job. And it's functional to the point of where you look at it

and you think that could actually work in an insane way. Like Bonneville. It's like a Bonneville

speed racer, but it also has like the functional side vents and sort of like, it just looks like a

real machine. Yeah, totally. Whereas some of that stuff just looks so fake, but yeah, yeah, it's

right. I think this though, for me, the goofiest one is the first one, dude. The original one from

the sixties. It's so well, yeah, with the bubble ridiculous. The whole show is so ridiculous,

dude, but I just saw a clip. They, they had a clip of where like the Joker gets tied up and

it's like balloon string. They like tie him up in that and it's like Foils is planter. The Joker

throws balloon string at Batman and he gets all wrapped up and can't get free. And it's just,

it was so silly. I mean, it was a very like wholesome style, right? Like back then,

whereas like things got dark, it was really, I'm glad they got darker with it. And this,

the 1989 movie was so influential for me. It was by far my favorite movie at the time. I mean,

not that I was a cinephile, but it was so rad and I even collected the trading cards

from the movie. I think I might even still have some in a shoebox in the shed or something, but

they made, yeah, trading cards for different scenes and characters in the movie. I had the

soundtrack. I remember getting the soundtrack. So Danny, Danny Elfman, right? Well, yeah,

Danny Elfman. So this is a very local inside baseball, but we do have a lot of regional

listeners. So they'll appreciate this. One of my dad's friends when I was growing up,

owned music world in Seaside, California. And so, you know, once a month or so we would visit and

whenever we're visiting him, like, you know, he would tell me like, swing by the store

and, you know, you can take one, one cassette, whatever you want. And I took the Batman,

the original Batman soundtrack of that right around that time. And I thought it was epic.

But yeah, I watched that movie maybe like six months ago again, just like one late night,

but I'm like, you know, when the kids are asleep, like I just threw it on and it still holds up

very Dick Tracy esque vibes, you know, like, right? I love it. It's, it's great. Yeah. Yeah.

Great movie. And arguably, I mean, I would have said if Heath Ledger wasn't a thing,

like the best joker ever, but Heath Ledger's Joker was really killer too. So I'd say right

on par very different, but I know and Christopher Nolan is such a great movie maker that it's

hard to argue with those movies. But yeah, for it for a long time. I mean, whenever Heath Ledger

just came out, that was like 20, 25 or 20, 2005, 2005. I mean, I don't remember. It was a long

time. So I mean, for 10 plus years, this was the Batman. I mean, we all love the nipples of

Val Kilmer, George Clooney, and we love the Iceman of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jim Carrey's

Riddler, but there can only be one grand Batman. Yeah. Most importantly, Warren, though, we need

to dig deep and remember or try to figure out when back Batman's neck was able to articulate

better because like for a long time, the suit, you know, like he was his whole his shoulders

needed to move with his head. Yeah, I can't remember. And then at some point it might have

been like, I think it's like Dark Knight dude. It might have been like super recent, like, you

know, when they actually finally got a suit that and I want to say this dark half joke about it

in the movie, like they even like pointed it out. Oh really? Yeah is Dark Knight the one with that's

with Heath Ledger, right? I don't remember now. I need to wait. It's been so long. But Dark Knight

is the the what do you call it? That's with Bane, right? Oh, no, I think it is with Heath Ledger.

I'm looking at I'm trying to look it up right now. 2005 I was right on Batman. 2008 is the

Dark Knight with Heath Ledger 2008. Oh, 2008. Yeah. Okay, thank you. So that is the point.

Yeah, I got them all mixed up. I need to go back and watch them. And then you have your is that

is that also the same one with what's his face that did the Scarecrow? No, that might

have I think it was silly and Murphy did Scarecrow, right? The Dark Knight did, but I don't think

it was that same one. Was it was it the next movie? I don't remember. But anyways, because

there's like the Dark Knight returns or rises and jumps and rolls down and

parkour as he gets next next surgery or massage and parkours. Yeah, so yeah, check it out. It's

going to be there live. The car is going to be on display at the core of the event in a really cool

industrial warehouse. So I think the photos are going to be great. Also, you're going to love this

sworn. I made a special request to the Peterson because stanchions are required. You get to wear

you get to wear the Batman. Yeah, and I get to jump in and then slide the thing and then just

bail out of there. No, so I requested that we also make we need to convert it into the airplane.

And remember, like it's you press the button and then it becomes a little jet. The batwing

becomes a batwing. No, I requested they have these little super short wire stanchions. So

I saw them when I went when I went to the museum recently. And in one of the exhibits, I'm like,

I want those around the car. Can we get some of those? Because I don't want like big freaking

ugly stanchions around it. And these will basically disappear. I'll send you a picture. It's just

I know exactly. Those we've talked about these forever. And it's the difference. Like we have

gone to shows. This is for the listeners, but where there'll be a cool car. And there are

stanchions a foot from the vehicle all the way around multiple posts everywhere that there is

no photos that will ever look good. And it makes it so the car can't even be accessed. Like if

someone wants to open the door, like let's say the owner wants to go past the stanchions, open the

door and like show somebody you can't do it. So there's just so many missed opportunities. This

will that helps a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So it'll it'll look great. I think especially with the lighting

in there, you may not even really be able to see them, which is which is good, you know, for most

photos. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited for that. So yeah, this that'll be there. Also, go to the

vredestine booth because the Peterson is collaborating with them on a raffle. They're

actually raffling off. I think it's a 911 SC cab. It's not a it's not a Carrera. So this is an

early 80s car. And they are raffling one of those off. I don't remember how much the tickets are.

But they will have it in the vredestine booth and you can actually purchase tickets there on

site. So check that out. It's a really, really clean car. Really nice car. Yeah. I think that's

great. Can't wait to see it. What else we got here? Yeah. So Radwood coming up got DJ DP

on the ones and twos. We get a Zach Klapman from the smoking tire doing some stuff for us.

We got our friends from Avonce and Griot's and I don't know. It's gonna be fun. I'm looking

forward to it. It's always sneaks up on me a little bit. Yeah. Weather looks good. And I love this

venue. So it's gonna be good. And then if you're still listening, November 15th, Austin, Texas at

Circuit of the Americas. So come on out. We love the, the Austin shows are always incredible

because it's basically like the most cars and sometimes the most variety,

variety of cars comes in Austin, which you wouldn't think, but it's true. Yeah. It's really true.

Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I mean, I, when we first went, we expected it to be all four trucks or

something. And then it's like, yeah. Yeah. I was just thinking Camaros and Blazers and so,

so much JDM stuff, a lot of JDM there. They're really heavy on the JDM, but yeah, there's,

they're really the one, the one thing that I will say is if we, you know, speaking of domestic,

they always have the biggest Fox body Mustang showing of any show. We do have like 30 to 40,

that is true, which is cool because you, and they're all different and they're pretty well done.

Usually they're pretty nice. I would say that and Detroit are our biggest Fox body contingent,

which is not shocking. Right. Makes sense. Makes sense. And then for those future planning,

Radwood at the Amelia on March 7th, that's Amelia Island, Florida. That'll be a good show. And then

that one's free to attend from a spectator standpoint. And then we're going to be back at

the Smith heritage in Charlotte, North Carolina, April 11th. So that'll be a fun one. Also,

I'm actually really looking forward to that because it's sort of like getting our,

our foot in the door last year. And now we get to see what really comes out. So.

Yeah. No, yeah. And this is, I mean, we're like in the mix. This is at the concor with

all the really on the race charts. Yeah. And we have a display that's going to be on the track

itself, which is really cool. And yeah, really awesome. Yeah. And this one we are celebrating

Radwood era NASCAR. So we've got some, we've got a particular collector that has the goods

and is bringing those out. So I'm very stoked on that. That is like always been a sort of one

of those dreams of getting motor sport displays. And it's really hard to do because people have to

be local or be willing to transport expensive cars long distances and we were able to pull it off.

So that one is April 11th in conquered technically conquered North Carolina, but

Charlotte motor speedway. All right. What do you think you want to do? No, I was going to ask

if you signed up for hot ones already because last year, last week you were talking about how

you were ready to roll. So yeah, oh yeah, I didn't realize it's a sign up to go on, to go on the

most popular television show in the world. You just go in, you submit your application

and then they give you a ring. Also, I did call it a television show. I just want to throw that

out real quick. All right. Television. Yeah, you can watch it on your television, but it is on

YouTube. Well, I feel you can't call a flat screen TV television that it's got to be a

CRT or like, you know, it's got to be a big box, right? Like, can you just call it a TV? No,

it's got to be a television. Yeah, the flat flat panel on the wall is a TV television.

You need substance to make up for the full name, but well, we we slacked on our questions post

and we only have one question. So we put it up too late, but that question is important. It's

drive and I am like struggling to think of this. I feel like the early concerts I went to, I was

always like a passenger in another car. Which one did you drive to see? Well, I, I don't know,

man. I mean, as you know, I have a, I have a, what do you call it? Not a skeleton in my closet,

but I have a, a pass in a past life. I had some ravy vibes, you know, so that is a you don't

drive to those things. You just like, but I did like that was the first, the first one I went to.

I drove, I take a bus and eat candy. I drove, I drove to a rave in San Francisco when I was like

shoot. I must have been 17, but I did not drive my car. It was my friend's

Oldsmobile Bravada of all things and in a bunch of people and I drove and it was a place

something rock. It was like in, you know, Mission Bay, like when that area used to be all super

industrial, remember, and there was nothing there except for a few warehouses. And I think it was

called Mission Rock, wasn't it? And it was an old like Ray venue. And so I went there and

partied all night. And I remember it was pretty gnarly because we were broke kids and we didn't

pay for a hotel afterwards. We drove back after being up all night and I drove back and everybody

was asleep. And I remember going over 17, like just like slapping myself at like 9 30 a.m. or

whatever it was after like worst. Yeah. And like just trying to stay awake. I'm thinking like,

dude, I'm like, I have all of these fucking kids in my car out in the car right now and like,

how gnarly could this get? And so I pulled it off, but it was not good. But yeah, that was the first

one that I remember driving to big group of people. Yeah. And it wasn't a concert though. Does that

count? Not really, but yeah, we'll let it count. I can't even think of one. I'm like, I'm thinking

back. I mean, yeah, I'm thinking of all sporting events, which doesn't count, but

I'll have to get back to Bobby Reed on that one. I want to hear his story. Actually, Bobby Reed,

call in with your story because I bet he has a good one. Well, any noteworthy stuff. Do you have

anything that it was? What's it called? Like any fun drives to a concert? No, not really. I mean,

it was always a passenger or it was later. My memories are later, which is not my first. So

I don't really have one. Yeah, I'll have to get, get back to you. I did. Did I say, I don't think

I told the story on the podcast, but this is not me driving. But when I was a wee lad, this is

probably junior high, sixth grade, seventh grade, something like that. There's a radio local radio

station here, 102.5 Kadeon. And Kadeon was the pop hits of the day, your boys to men's, your

and vogue's, your Bobby Browns, et cetera, et cetera, so forth and what have you.

MC Hammer, perhaps maybe a journey song, I don't know, but they would often do giveaways

on the radio. And essentially, after you're done with your homework and eating dinner,

you would, I would go to my room. I sound like I'm fucking 90 years old, which I might as well be

and go to my room and turn on the radio and listen to the, whatever the DJ decided to play

that night. And it was like, I think it was slow jams, you know, like, you know, slow jams after

nine or slow, I don't know what it was, but it was all like the slow dance songs at the school

dance that you would hear the bodyguard soundtrack, TLC, you know, that kind of stuff.

And they would give away tickets to concerts. And a lot of those concerts back in the day were

these sort of summer jam things where five, six bands would come and play two, three songs.

And that was a concert. And so I won tickets to, it was Sherwood Hall in Salinas, I believe

was the venue. And Atlantic Star was performing, among others. And the tickets included a CD,

which was in the plastic, huge container they used to come in. So you couldn't steal them. Or

I don't know why they made it. I think, I think they made it because they had record display cases

at music stores. And so they had to have like a record length display of a CD came with an Atlantic

star CD and tickets to the show, two tickets. I'm 12. How am I going to get to Salinas on a

Friday night? You know, and so I asked a girl to go to Carrie, Michael, shout out to Carrie,

I have no idea where she is now. She was a friend. I don't think I really knew what the

hell was going on with girls at that point, but it was like, Oh, this girl likes music.

Maybe she wants to go. She did. And so her stepdad or mom's boyfriend agreed to take us to this

concert. Kind of a hippie hippie dude, Santa Cruz style. So he shows up and I remember it must

have been winter because it was already like dark when I got picked up and it was like cold.

And just the whole thing was weird. And he shows up in Volkswagen Beetle.

All right. And so yeah. And so I'm in the back as the weird kid, my friend, Carrie is sitting up

front. I think that's how it went. Yeah, she would have sat up front and we drove from Santa

Cruz to Salinas, which is roughly an hour at night with the windows down for some reason. I

remember it was like loud as hell, cold and just enduring for you. You don't want to like say anything

like, can we roll up the window? You know, just like take it and went to the concert,

got a weighted outside the concert after to get Atlantic star signature, which I couldn't tell

you anything about them. And I had the CD with me that was in the plastic case still. And they were

like, wait, you want me to sign the case? Like you won't be able to listen to the CD. And I'm like,

yeah, yeah, sign the outside because I wanted to like pristine. And so they did. They signed

the outside of the plastic case. I have no idea what happened to the CD. I don't know about the

signatures. Everything's gone, but that ride home. I remember, you know, again, Volkswagen

Beetle at highway speeds at night, kind of like farm road ish. I think we had to go through

Castroville and like, it just felt like an adventure. That sounds like a great way. But

how was the show though? Nothing noteworthy there. Epic, epic show, dude. There's multiple

encores and dude, you should have seen like the fucking digital screens in the background.

Like it was like the sphere before the sphere. I see. This was more like a cube. Like the cube

or something. It was more like a cube in 1992. Yeah. So I used to, I used to call into those

things all the time as a kid. It was like, and I'm sure the DJs were like, God, another 12 year

old, but you know, they know what they're doing. That's who they were. That's their audience at

that point. Right. And then maybe some sad middle age moms, but yeah. Not happy middle

age. That's when you would wear a silk shirt to the school dance. I love it. No, I have

one of my school elementary school IDs. I can't remember what grade I'm in and I'm wearing a

pretty sweet silk shirt. And it's like, it's got like, I don't know how to describe it. It was

definitely very like of the era, but like almost like impressionistic, not impressionistic. It was

like these blotches of colors, like very much like a fresh Prince of Bel Air look, you know,

like that sort of vibe, but very nice. That's yeah. How bummed, by the way, how bummed is

Atlantic star to come out and be like, where's the throng of fans? Everyone, please stay away

while we get to our limousine and it's two 12 year olds. You were the only ones.

My, my recollection is like, we were out there kind of by ourselves and we didn't know who was

going to come out or even if they would. And I'm surprised that the dude with the beetle was

willing to stay later as it already was probably a late night. Yeah. Shout out to dude in the beetle.

It's probably the same guy that drives around with the cactuses and his Volkswagen. Oh yeah,

coast here, but lives along the coast there somewhere. Yeah, exactly. Just lives in and

out of the cliffs, the dwellings. So anyways, that doesn't answer your question. Bobby,

I apologize for that, but it is a fun concert story. We can have many other concert stories.

I just can't remember the one I drove to. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I definitely had plenty earlier

that yeah, I got drove to and all that jazz. Some of them bands that are, you know, too obscure to

be named, you know, because it's Atlantic star. You don't think I'm going to obscure

isn't that? But that's like slow jam stuff, right? Like you're describing totally. Yeah,

I need to like, I'm going to play it after this podcast because I don't even know one song of

theirs and I went to their concert, but these are definitely the times where you would just

hear one song on the radio and then when I won the tickets, it's like, Oh, they're, they're great.

I can't wait to see them and like no idea. Yeah. But my mom, my mom was very into concerts and

like very supportive of that whole scene. So I went to a bunch of concerts with them.

Excellent. The cool dude. Well, we got no other questions. We have plenty of work to do here.

Let's get in. Let's get into a. Let's get into trivia. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

It's trivia time. I got two for you. One is related to be power honey bees.

A dense bee swarm can generate up to blank volts per meter.

Well, what measure is that? I don't know.

It's a part of part of my thing. Volts per meter. Now, do you think that's like

a meter of the bee swarms creates X amount like per meter of bees equals this much electrical.

Oh, I see that they're measuring that grouping. Yeah, versus like I was imagining distance

like movement because I know like horsepower is a weird measurement, right? It's like it's

like a horse walking around a center thing and like turning us and pulling up a certain

amount of weight. Like it's going over a certain amount of time. I do. I don't

man. I am. I am. I mean, how would you know? I am flummoxed. I have I know

12 volts. It's like be energy more than more than that be that VW beetle. That was a nine

which are which are the only ones dude. There's definitely more definitely more a bee swarm

can generate an electrical charge up to 1000 volts per meter. Whoa.

Is that crazy? That's pretty crazy. I don't know how they get this status or the stats here.

Like what are we? How are we measuring this? That's crazy. I guess it's more questions than

answers really. I mean, yeah, all that wing flapping. I mean, that's there's a lot of like

energy being buzzed around. All right. Here's another one for you. This is a bonus trivia

related to bees. One teaspoon of honey is the lifetime work of about blank number of bees.

One teaspoon of honey is the lifetime work of how many bees? Whoa. This is going to make us

really appreciate honey. I mean, I already appreciate bees in general. They're super important, but

I appreciate honey, but I don't use it much. Yeah. We don't always have it in our pantry.

I don't even know if we have honey right now, but you know, it makes appearances here and there.

Yeah. Let's go with 1000. 1000 volts, 1000 bees.

I would have said something similar. 12 bees work their entire life for you. Some jackass

putting it on their, I don't even know. We put a tea. We put it in their tea. 12 bees,

a lifetime makes one teaspoon of honey. Shout out to the bees. Last one here. We were talking

about it earlier in the podcast about electrification, what China's doing, etc. It made me wonder

how much does gasoline cost in China? I really don't know. My assumption is it's cheap, but then

if that was the case, then why are they so eager to electrify? Obviously, it's great for the air,

but you would think people would just want to pee. Yeah. The more I think about it, I mean,

I can't think of a single Chinese petroleum brand. There's like Southeast Asian ones in

Malaysia and all that. I know that they get stuff from Russia and there's that whole scene.

All right. This is a conversion. It's priced in liters, and then I looked it up. What is the

US dollar equivalent per gallon in Beijing? Which is 3.8 liters. 3.785, please. Oh, gosh.

Hmm. So what does a gallon of gas cost in Beijing today? Roughly 10,000 dollars.

No, I was going to say ten dollars and I ended up throwing a thousand others going to go and give

me a thousand and five thousand. Ten dollars is your guess and dollars per gallon three dollars

and 36 cents based on the current exchange rate. They said that some places can be up to 415 a

gallon, which in Santa Cruz currently it's about $5 a gallon. It doesn't really get much cheaper

than four. I mean, maybe it will get into like the high threes in a weird place in California

and really bad gas quality. Yeah. I mean, you can definitely get into the threes in other

states for sure. Oh, for other states, yeah. And there's other parts of, yeah, like even in

Oklahoma, I have my wife's cousin. She said it's like under three right now. Under three. So,

yeah, but it's relatively comparable to the United States. I mean, that's, but that's in Beijing

as well, which I don't know how that works. Like in rural China, is it way cheaper or is it more

expensive? Because it has to be, it's rural. Yeah, it has to be taken there. Yeah. That's way

cheaper than I expected. That's, I mean, cheaper than the rest of the world, you know, right adjacent

to us, because I mean, yeah, I know Europe is super expensive. I know, well, not in the rest of

the world. Like Middle East is extremely cheap. I've seen, there's those videos. I don't know if

you've seen them in Dubai. There are mobile gas services, so they'll come and pump gas for you

at your house. Like people don't want to drive to the gas station and all in like with, with, you

know, them bringing the gas to you full service, pumping the gas, everything. It's, I want to say,

it's like a dollar, maybe even less per gallon. And that's where that was in Dubai.

Whoa, it's really, really cheap. That's kind of like Venezuela. Wasn't it like, I want to save 25

cents a gallon or something? It was crazy because they, that's their main export. Yeah, I was, I

don't know. This was a while ago, but yeah, I remember it was a video of somebody who'd like,

he was showing like he, he went through the whole process, right? He was like an Uber app.

He got gas brought to his house, he pumped it and everything, and it was extremely cheap.

I don't know if it might have been per liter, but it was way cheap. That's,

I remember it being like less than a dollar. Well, there's that service in Los Angeles. I don't

know where else to do it, but there is that where someone will come around and put gas in your car

for a fee, which sounds insane. Like to have the insurance and equipment and all, you know, just

that's a lot kind of crazy. A current price of gasoline per gallon in Venezuela is 13 cents.

Dang. That is 13 cents a gallon for those keeping score.

Um, so yeah, um, get your hot rods now. Alright, that's podcast. Thanks for joining us. We'll see

you in Los Angeles. Anything else to add? Don't go to England. We love England. Goodbye.

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