Scott Speed recounts a wild F1-to-Nürburgring wet-race story that ended with a crash, a disastrous pit-stop tire mix-up, and a fiery moment with team management—ultimately leading to his Red Bull exit and a pivot to NASCAR. The show also debates NASCAR Hall of Fame criteria, arguing whether Xfinity/Truck success should count versus Cup-only precedence. Later segments cover Darlington’s racing expectations (passing, downforce/HP balance) and early-2026 worries for Hendrick and other playoff hopefuls, plus a comedic carrot-cake mix-up.
We covered a lot of ground this week ... from Formula 1 stories, to stolen cake and a debate that still has the NASCAR world buzzing — this Dirty Thirty is 30 minutes of prime content for your listening pleasure.
To kick things off, Scott Speed walks us through the wreck that ended up leading to his departure from Formula 1 and his entry in the NASCAR Cup Series, of which he knew next to nothing about.
You'll hear from Denny Hamlin after his race at Darlington, where his co-host Jared asks about all the hype leading up to the race and whether or not the product lived up to the expectations.
If you haven't heard this next part yet, buckle up. It's one of the most controversial takes we've had on any platform yet. Producer Travis Rockhold makes a claim about Hall of Fame Nominees you'll just have to hear to believe.
On Door Bumper Clear this week, we asked Freddie, Tommy, Karsyn, and guest Matt Weaver the question: Is Hendrick Motorsports worried about being this far into the season without a win?
Lastly, we end with as classic of a Dale Jr. as we've heard over on Bless Your 'Hardt, where Amy might have gotten a stolen cake for her birthday.
We'll catch you right here next week on Dirty Thirty! Don't miss us too much.
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"Thanks for having me.
How do you end up leaving F1?
Well I got we are doing a race at Nurburgring."
“F1” means Formula 1, the highest level of race car competition in the world. The cars are very specialized and the teams race on tracks around the globe.
“F1” refers to Formula 1, the top tier of open-wheel racing run by the FIA. It’s known for highly engineered race cars, strict regulations, and a global calendar.
"Well I got we are doing a race at Nurburgring.
Okay we qualify at that time I think me and Tony have qualified 17th or 18th on the grid."
Nürburgring is a very famous race track in Germany. It’s known for being tough and demanding, so it’s a big deal when drivers race there.
The Nürburgring is a famous motorsports venue in Germany, best known for the Nordschleife (“Green Hell”) circuit. It’s a challenging track that tests braking, traction, and driver skill, and it’s hosted many major racing events.
"Start 17th and 18th on the grid. Our car, the Toro Rosso car was outrageous in the wet."
Starting 17th and 18th means the car qualified near the back of the field. In F1, that makes overtaking and strategy (like tire choice and pit timing) much more important because you have to gain positions quickly.
"Earlier that year in Monaco I was actually P1 in practice in the rain in P3 practice one. The thing is our car was really good in the wet."
Monaco is the Circuit de Monaco, one of Formula 1’s most famous and challenging street circuits. Its tight turns and limited overtaking make wet-weather performance and pit timing especially important.
"Earlier that year in Monaco I was actually P1 in practice in the rain in P3 practice one. The thing is our car was really good in the wet."
“P1 in practice” means they were fastest in practice. It’s a good sign, but it doesn’t guarantee the race will go the same way, especially if the weather changes.
“P1 in practice” means the driver set the fastest time in a practice session. In F1, practice results can hint at car balance and tire behavior, but they don’t always translate directly to race performance—especially in changing weather.
"Right before the start of the race it downpours. I mean pouring rain. So you have to start the race on slick tires."
Slick tires are smooth tires with no tread. They can grip really well on dry pavement, but in heavy rain they can be risky because water has nowhere to go.
Slick tires have no tread pattern, so they’re designed for maximum grip on dry or very lightly wet surfaces. In heavy rain, teams typically avoid slicks because water can’t evacuate, but the speaker is describing a moment where the race start required slicks due to conditions at the start line.
"And I passed Tonyo in the last section coming to Pit Road. And so in F1 you can only pit one car at a time."
Pit Road is the lane where the team brings the car in to change tires and make adjustments. When you enter and leave matters because it can affect where you come back on track.
“Pit Road” is the pit lane area where teams service cars during stops. The timing of entering and exiting Pit Road is crucial in F1 because it affects track position and how cleanly you can rejoin traffic.
"I come in the pits. Well they got Tonyo's tires waiting. And so I come in they put Tonyo's tires on."
“Tires waiting” refers to the pit crew having the correct tires staged and ready for a specific car. In wet races, tire selection and readiness are critical because the wrong tire (or a delay) can cost positions immediately.
"And so the pit stop ends up taking forever. We lose a lot of time."
A pit stop is when the car pulls into the pits to get help—usually tire changes. How fast and how well it’s done can make you gain or lose a lot of time.
A pit stop is when a race car enters the pit lane to change tires, refuel (in series that allow it), and/or make adjustments. In NASCAR and especially open-wheel racing, pit stop timing and execution can swing track position and overall race outcome.
"I'm hydroplaning down the hill, off into the gravel. I'm crashed."
Hydroplaning is when your tires lose grip because water builds up under them. The car can start sliding even though you’re still driving.
Hydroplaning happens when a tire rides up on a layer of water, losing contact with the road surface. It’s more likely at higher speeds, with heavy rain, and when tire tread can’t evacuate water fast enough.
"You stayed as a test driver. Did you not? No. So I stayed around while Fetal, he did two races."
A test driver is the person who drives the car to help the team figure out what’s working and what needs adjusting. Sometimes it’s a temporary role before someone else races, or it can lead to a full-time seat.
A test driver is someone who evaluates a race car’s setup, performance, and reliability—often during testing sessions or between race weekends. In motorsport, being a test driver can be a stepping stone to a race seat or a role while a team decides on the lineup.
"I could be test driver with the main team and stick around in the Red Bull F1 deal."
A Red Bull F1 deal means an agreement to race or work with Red Bull’s Formula One team. The speaker is weighing whether to stay in that world or try something different.
A “Red Bull F1 deal” refers to a contract or arrangement with the Red Bull Formula One team (or its racing program). The speaker is describing options around staying involved with that F1 opportunity versus switching to other series.
"the easy solution would have been to do like DTM or like sports car racing. Yeah, damn, DTM was cool."
DTM is a European racing series that uses cars based on production models. It’s the kind of racing the speaker thought about as a different option.
DTM (Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters) is a German touring-car racing series featuring heavily modified production-based cars. It’s mentioned as an alternative racing path that the speaker considered before choosing something else.
"So I decided to go back to America and I said, Hey, what do you think about NASCAR"
NASCAR is a big American racing series, mostly on oval tracks. The cars are built for racing but are based on regular car shapes.
NASCAR is a major American stock-car racing series known for oval tracks and race cars based on production models (with heavy racing modifications). The speaker is weighing a move to NASCAR after considering other motorsport options.
"[459.8s] And I watched some stock car racing, but not enough to really have any grasp
[465.7s] of what it was going to take or what the level was at all."
Stock car racing is racing with cars that start from regular models, but they’re changed a lot for competition. The races often happen on oval tracks and are as much about strategy as speed.
Stock car racing is a form of motorsport where cars are based on production models, but heavily modified for racing. The focus is on oval-track speed, tire management, and race strategy rather than pure road-course handling.
"And luckily, Gunther Steiner was running the, the Red Bull NASCAR team at the time. And he had some kind of wisdom about him to say, hey, maybe let's start off by doing like a year of ARCA and some truck and we'll feed you into this thing."
Guenther Steiner is a racing team leader. In the conversation, he’s presented as someone who helped guide a driver’s early steps.
Guenther Steiner is a well-known motorsport team principal and manager, associated with top-level racing operations. The transcript uses him as an example of leadership within a Red Bull-linked NASCAR/F1 development environment.
"Luckily for me, because I was never the kid that was going to go raise sponsorship or work on his image."
In racing, sponsorship is when companies pay for a driver or team in exchange for advertising. The speaker is saying not everyone has to hustle for that money if a big program backs them.
Sponsorship in racing is financial support from companies, often tied to branding and marketing exposure. The speaker contrasts drivers who must “raise sponsorship” to get opportunities versus a program like Red Bull that can provide support without the same level of self-funding pressure.
"Hey guys, welcome to Action's detrimental post race six of 2026, which is Darlington. There's a lot of talk about was this race overhyped, but how did you feel as a driver in the car?"
Darlington is a well-known NASCAR race track. Drivers talk about it because the track’s shape and racing conditions can make it feel different from other venues.
Darlington Raceway is a famous NASCAR track known for its unique layout and racing dynamics. Drivers often discuss how it compares to other tracks in terms of passing difficulty, grip, and how aerodynamic changes affect lap times.
"[784.4s] Other than I thought passing was a little better this time around. [790.3s] Dirty Mode Media Junior Motorsports and I have a new partner this year,"
“Passing” just means cars getting around each other. If passing is better, it usually means the race is more exciting because it’s easier to overtake.
In NASCAR, “passing” is a key indicator of how competitive the racing is—how easily cars can overtake each other. When the host says passing was better, they’re implying the cars were closer in performance and/or the track conditions allowed more overtakes.
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Arby’s is a fast-food restaurant chain. Here, they’re partnering with a NASCAR team/crew, which is how brands often advertise in racing.
Arby’s is a fast-food restaurant chain that appears here as a NASCAR sponsorship partner. In motorsports, sponsorships like this are common and can support teams financially while also driving brand visibility to fans.
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Quints is a clothing company. The point they’re making is that Quints tries to keep costs down by selling more directly instead of through lots of middle steps.
Quints is a clothing brand mentioned in the segment. The host describes it as working directly with factories and avoiding traditional retail markups to keep pricing reasonable.
"You're not paying for brand markup or fancy retail stores, just quality clothing. What I love about quints is no matter the season, they have what I need."
Brand markup is the extra cost you pay just because a brand is charging more. The host says Quints tries to avoid that extra cost by selling more directly.
“Brand markup” refers to the extra price added simply because a product is sold under a well-known brand or through traditional retail channels. The host argues Quints reduces this by selling directly and cutting out middlemen.
"Show me the stats, Stefanik. What does he want? Show me his stats, Travis."
They’re basically saying, “Don’t just talk—prove it with numbers.” In racing, that usually means things like wins and championships.
“Show me the stats” is a call for objective performance evidence—like wins, championships, and other results—rather than opinion. In motorsports Hall of Fame discussions, stats are often used to justify a candidate’s impact and competitiveness.
"If he was in a Hendrick car during these years, could he have won a championship in the cup series?"
Hendrick Motorsports is a top NASCAR team. The idea is: if the driver had a top team’s car, could they have won a Cup championship too?
“Hendrick car” refers to a car fielded by Hendrick Motorsports, one of NASCAR’s most successful and well-funded teams. In NASCAR, team resources, engineering, and driver support can strongly influence competitiveness, so the question is whether a driver could have matched Cup success with that kind of backing.
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Uptime just means how often a website is actually working. “99.99%” means they’re claiming it stays online almost all the time.
“Uptime” is the percentage of time a website or service is available and working. “99.99% uptime” is a marketing claim that implies very rare downtime, typically measured over a month.
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Wix is a website builder where you can make a site without coding. They’re saying their hosting is reliable and secure.
Wix is a website-building platform that hosts sites for users. In the segment, it’s mentioned as the service being “backed” by uptime and security claims.
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Hendrick Motorsports is one of NASCAR’s biggest and most successful racing teams. They’re talking about how long it’s been since the team has won.
Hendrick Motorsports is a top NASCAR team known for frequent wins and championships. The hosts reference a winless stretch since 2019 as a reason fans should start paying attention to team performance.
"You look at the guys that probably won their way in last year, Matt, that are going to probably have a hard time making it on points."
“Win their way in” refers to qualifying for the NASCAR postseason by earning wins rather than relying purely on points. Drivers who win can secure a playoff spot even if their points standing isn’t as strong.
"Like it's not like the gap in the playoffs used to be from top to bottom was 20, 30 points. You know, now it's going to be like 160 or something like that"
The “gap in the playoffs” refers to how many points separate drivers in the postseason standings. The speaker contrasts older seasons (smaller point gaps) with the current format (much larger gaps), which affects how recoverable a poor start is once the playoffs begin.
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All right Scott Speed on the Dell Jr download.
Thanks for coming in today Scott.
My pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
How do you end up leaving F1?
Well I got we are doing a race at Nurburgring.
Okay we qualify at that time I think me and Tony have qualified 17th or 18th on the grid.
This is a spectacular story.
Start 17th and 18th on the grid.
Our car, the Toro Rosso car was outrageous in the wet.
Earlier that year in Monaco I was actually P1 in practice in the rain in P3 practice one.
The thing is our car was really good in the wet.
We don't know why.
Right before the start of the race it downpours.
I mean pouring rain.
So you have to start the race on slick tires.
Me and Tonyo drive from 17th and 18th to I think I came in the pits 11th after three quarters of a lap.
We were flying.
I'm passing cars on the objus.
Your dog fighting.
And I passed Tonyo in the last section coming to Pit Road.
And so in F1 you can only pit one car at a time.
So it was really crucial that you entered first.
So I had to just dive, bomb, pass on.
And I passed him in the last sector.
I come in the pits.
Well they got Tonyo's tires waiting.
And so I come in they put Tonyo's tires on.
Then they realized shoot we got to take those off.
It ends up being like.
Why does it matter?
Well they're his tires.
It's like those codes belong to his car and it's illegal.
Because otherwise if you fail I couldn't like take those sets at a time.
And so the pit stop ends up taking forever.
We lose a lot of time.
The next lap now we got rain tires on there.
But it's pouring so much.
The entry to the first corner at Nurburgring is pretty downhill.
And go into the brake zone.
I'm pretty conservative and I don't stop a second.
I'm hydroplaning down the hill, off into the gravel.
I'm crashed.
So the race is over.
I mean the most spectacular two laps basically in my F1 career.
And I come in and I'm actually like in a pretty good mood.
Because it was pretty awesome.
I drove from my 18th till I mean it didn't work out.
But like it was an awesome first lap.
And I'm talking to my engineer in France.
The team owner of France comes and he's like what happened in turn one.
And I was like what do you mean?
Like there's eight cars parked out there.
Lewis Hamilton, Jensen Button, like everybody basically that went in the corner.
I was like well the same thing happened to everybody else.
We hydroplained in a thing.
And he says no, not everybody.
Just the wankers.
And I was like you're right.
Lewis, he's a wanker, Jensen, you're right.
Everybody's like I told him to F off.
And I walked away.
And I guess I thought I could tell the team owner that he can F off.
And that everything was to be okay in my mind.
It was not.
In the next weekend, Sebastian Federal was in the car.
And that was it.
That was the end.
Yeah.
And honestly it was time.
Like it wasn't for like I didn't have the ability the model to process what needed to
have like how to be a racing driver.
And for me it was just as much of me wanting to go as it was them wanting me gone.
Yeah.
So you would you go to go to your apartment package?
Well, first I met with, you know, they put Fetal in the car, right?
And that was the piece.
You stayed as a test driver.
Did you not?
No.
So I stayed around while Fetal, he did two races.
And when he, when it was pretty clear that he was running in the same spot I was,
he wasn't qualifying or finishing any better.
Dee Dee called me and said, Hey, look, like obviously the car isn't, you know,
really capable right now, but we love you.
What do you want to do?
And he gave me carte blanche.
I could, I could pick basically anything.
So it was a really an important time that at least you have chosen anything.
I could be test driver with the main team and stick around in the Red Bull F1 deal.
I could go, you know, basically he wanted to know what I want to do is the easy,
the easy solution would have been to do like DTM or like sports car racing.
Yeah, damn, DTM was cool.
It was, it was.
But for me, like I had done, I had answered the question I had for myself,
which is like, how good am I as a racing driver?
And I was like, okay, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not a Lewis.
I knew like I'm not Lewis.
I'm not Nico, but like I'm a good F1 guy.
Cool.
I'm, I'm can sleep.
I've answered the question for myself and now I just want to, I want to go do something fun.
I want to go do something different.
I don't want to just keep like, I know where I make after formula one,
everything was such a huge in my mind step down that it wouldn't, it just didn't make sense.
So you decided to go home.
So I decided to go back to America and I said, Hey, what do you think about NASCAR
to DD?
And he's like, I love it.
Go there.
And I thought, okay, I'm going to come back to America.
I'm just going to race NASCAR Cup series.
Just like that.
Just like that.
And I got here.
What before that moment though, what had you known about Cup?
Almost nothing.
I actually, man, my it's, I'm embarrassed to say, but I,
What about it?
Like you, you know, you, you said, you know, everything was a step down.
What about it stood out to you?
Well, it was different.
Yeah.
I knew it was very different.
And it would be a challenge.
Yeah.
I did grow up a little bit watching obviously your dad, Ernie Irvin.
And I watched some stock car racing, but not enough to really have any grasp
of what it was going to take or what the level was at all.
I just thought, okay, there's these Southern boys out here running around in circles.
Like surely I can figure this out.
I mean, basically days of thunder.
Yeah.
Like it was very, it was very similar.
I thought, okay, I'm going to get in here.
And luckily, Gunther Steiner was running the, the Red Bull NASCAR team at the time.
And he had some kind of wisdom about him to say, hey, maybe let's start off by doing
like a year of ARCA and some truck and we'll feed you into this thing.
I'm surprised that I love this about Red Bull.
They went, they built you up to be able to take over a seat in the F1 car,
the top echelon of motorsport in the planet.
And when that didn't end up working out as everyone had hoped, they gave you other opportunities.
And you were still in the family and they were still believing in you and knew that
there was somewhere in their portfolio that you could, you know, you could have success.
I'm just really, because usually you assume that the guys, the guys get chewed up and spit out.
And, you know, you, they have to go fend for themselves and they have to find this, you know,
find whatever it is that next opportunity is if they want to be a race car driver.
But it seems like in the Red Bull system, you had, you had a personal relationship or something
about you that they liked and appreciated and didn't want to lose.
And they wanted to, they had all kinds of other avenues for you to go down.
You know, that's unique.
Do you not see that as quite unbelievable?
Unbelievable.
Luckily for me, because I was never the kid that was going to go raise sponsorship or work on his
image. Is there anybody else or any other thing comparable to Red Bull in terms of
like, Hey, man, you know, hey, all right, that didn't work out.
It's cool. We got this, this, this, this.
You see anything here you like?
Like who the f*** else does that?
Well, I think you got to remember Red Bull is a marketing company.
I know.
My last name is Speed and I'm a very authentic person.
And so I fit the brand really good.
There you go.
And I was also, I was a really fast racing driver.
So I think all those things just fit really good.
And certainly with the last name Speed, being an American,
having a pretty good personality, I could always talk pretty good on camera.
I could always engage with people pretty good.
It was, it's just an easy fit for them.
Hey guys, welcome to Action's detrimental post race six of 2026, which is Darlington.
There's a lot of talk about was this race overhyped,
but how did you feel as a driver in the car?
Was this right? Was this Darlington different than previous?
Not a lot.
It was some, but, but not a lot.
Um, I could, uh, like the arrow and the horsepower change were equal to me
and what I felt different.
And it was a, you know, a very small change as it, as it was,
the downforce is a bigger change than what the horsepower was.
But, um, it, you know, it wasn't that different, uh, still hard to pass.
Still a very narrow race track where he can't get out of the wake of the,
the cars around you.
Um, but I thought what was encouraging about it is very similar last week at Las Vegas,
good cars drove from the back to the front.
And that's what we've been asking for, right?
I mean, we shouldn't have a problem with what we saw.
Um, if you saw in the tear down, I, I guess that the crowd would say 68%.
Um, on the good race polls, looks like it's a little higher than that.
Good.
That, that means that, you know, the overall vibe is more positive than not.
Maybe seven right now.
Because that's, that's, this is what we wanted.
We knew that, hey, more horsepower, less downforce, lots of tire wear,
you're going to have cars dominate because somebody will hit that Rubik's cube just right.
And 2311 did.
Jared, I will, I'll answer your question though.
And yes, I think had Denny you and some other drivers not been as vocal of what,
I think fans heard that and we're like, we're going to get Bristol.
And I think expectations were a little higher.
Well, I'll tell you this, had I known my car was going to drive the way that it drove,
I would have not given those warnings, but obviously our simulation was a loss.
You know what I mean?
When everyone was talking about, and I think the RFK guys, Chris Bush was talking about it as well,
that man, this thing is, it's hard to make a lap and sim and sim.
I agreed.
I agreed with that.
It was, it was wild.
But, um, yeah, the teams figured out, they tweak it, they get a little better.
Drivers get used to driving it.
And next thing you know, we have a pretty normal Darlington race.
Other than I thought passing was a little better this time around.
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Here's a question for you is Justin Algar Hall of Famer.
Oh, so I.
No, not yet.
What if we win another championship?
I mean, I have a controversial take though with this one.
Well, you got, you know, there's guys in the conversation
like Sam Ard, Jack Ingram, Larry Phillips, for example.
I mean, there's some guy, Larry Phillips, albeit didn't run in the Bush or Xfinity of Riley series,
but there are guys that are very successful outside of the Cup Series that get considered.
There's truck series champions that are considered for the Hall of Fame.
Make the ballot for the Hall of Fame.
I think you should make the ballot.
I have a controversial take that I don't think.
Oh, you don't want to tell it here.
Xfinity of Riley Bush nationwide should count.
That should be.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Why would it not?
It's the NASCAR Hall of Fame.
Not the NASCAR Cup.
It's under the NASCAR banner.
It's not the NASCAR Cup Hall of Fame.
I mean, if you look at some of the accomplishments, it's none of it.
Wow, that is a pretty check.
That is really a take.
That's actually a lot of nodding in here too.
A lot of other people agree.
That's kind of dumb.
To me, Xfinity is like AAA.
And do we go look at AAA stats for a baseball player?
Yeah, but not everything works out perfectly for everybody to get to the Cup Series.
And there's still some great race cars drivers that didn't get great cup rides
to show what they could really do.
I don't disagree with that.
So you're thinking like this pioneer.
Yeah, I'm like looking at half these guys on here.
Do you think Ray Hendrick, those guys that got voted in as modified champions
shouldn't get in there?
Yeah.
Well, I don't know the history of...
If you want to be honest about it, that's another rung or two down the ladder.
If it was before the NASCAR was created, then we can have a discussion.
But if NASCAR Cup Series was there, then I think that's when it should start.
But it doesn't say NASCAR Cup Series Hall of Fame.
It says NASCAR Hall of Fame.
Yeah, it is literally not the Cup Series Hall of Fame.
But Major League Baseball includes everything.
I know, well, that's Major League Baseball.
They are literally saying this is Major League Baseball, MLB, the top...
So the NASCAR Hall of Fame is Cup and more.
There's a lot of guys that have really great accomplishments that just didn't time out right.
It's the Hall of... In my opinion, it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of really good.
Yeah, but it's not Cup only.
No one ever came in and said, hey, y'all, this is just Cup only and you're saying that.
Yeah.
Well, it's not.
It's not the Hall of Fame.
Well, that's my opinion.
But you're changing it.
I know you're changing literally what the Hall of Fame is.
It's not...
Yeah.
You're asking me if I would vote someone in, I'm saying no, I wouldn't.
All right.
Bam, I hope you're never on the committee.
I don't think I will be.
Yeah, I don't think we have to worry about that.
It's scary what people think, isn't it, TJ?
I don't... I think there's more people that would agree with me than you realize.
Isn't it scary?
I disagree with you.
I think you're going to be on an island here, man.
Yeah.
Tams, you've sat down in this conversation just now.
Tams walked into this.
Walked into this.
What do you think about that opinion?
I agree with Travis.
Are you serious?
I do.
You're a liar.
Oh my...
It doesn't get the same come out of coverage.
Hey, don't get offended when I call you a liar.
TJ doesn't like that.
He texts me after every show when I call him that, and he's like,
stop calling me a liar.
That was after just one problem there.
So...
That was an isolated incident.
It was an isolated incident.
I don't believe you.
I think he's pinching you under the table or something.
No, I totally agree.
I mean, I agree with both sides.
I'll say that because the Hall of Fame is a museum.
We celebrate the sport, but we celebrate the cup guys way more than the other guys.
We do.
So that should take higher precedent when you're in the Hall of Fame class.
He's saying no one outside of the cup should ever be elected.
We do cup success absolutely ways more into your opportunity to make the ballot.
You'll look at the ballot every year and the names that are discussed by the committee
and see predominantly cup guys dominating the list.
Which is right.
Which is fair.
That's fine.
But when a guy...
He's saying that a guy like Justin Allgaier shouldn't even be considered.
It's a conversation, so not Justin Allgaier, but if someone has failed at the cup level
and went back and they were more successful in the lower series.
Which has happened.
I know, but I don't feel like that should count.
I mean, if they've never gotten to a certain level like a short track...
Why shouldn't it count though?
Maybe they didn't work out right and get into a great age cup part.
That's another great conversation.
What if Pinsky had hung in there a little bit with Justin?
Sorry about it.
In every sport, what if the dude's offensive lineman would have blocked better form?
I know, but Justin didn't fail.
Doesn't mean he's a worse driver.
Doesn't mean Justin didn't...
That's why if he didn't get the opportunity...
He never did.
He raised affinity for Pinsky.
He's a good argument, but if there's other drivers that fail at the top level...
He did actually get the cup, but he never really got that kind of a solid opportunity.
He'd never gotten to a top 10 cup car.
No.
I'm just saying, Justin, I believe...
I'm hoping that Justin tax on a few more things to create the conversation around him being a nominee one day,
but I wonder how folks in the...
Well, he's only going to tell us what he wants.
I wonder how folks in the comments feel that if you didn't raise cup,
you don't get a chance to even make the conversation.
I think most are disagreeing with me, though.
One person says A.J. Foyt should not be in.
He's Indy Carr.
Matt Crafton is a name coming up that didn't get a lot of cup sards that...
Sorry.
Three-time truck champion.
Matt will probably be on the ballot because of what he's done in the trucks,
but in Travis's eyes, again, I'm just reminding folks online,
he wouldn't even be...
He wouldn't even get a chance to be in the discussion.
But like Mike Stefanik, like that guy.
That's where I disagree with Travis.
He never got to that level.
Maybe he didn't want to go to that level.
That's true, but he should be in the whole thing.
He's saying he would vote Stefanik in, but not a truck racer.
I know I'm also in the middle of it.
You're weird.
How?
What is your basis?
Because he...
The grassroots guy that does all sorts of bad ass s*** gets your vote,
but the guy that wins three truck series championships does not.
Show me the stats, Stefanik.
What does he want?
Show me his stats, Travis.
Oh, dude.
That's...
That's...
You can't top that.
That's incredible.
Why is he...
That deserves to be in.
Like, he's saying...
He's saying it deserves to be in it.
How can you say that?
It's flawed, I know, but that's how the brain works.
Oh my gosh.
Nine.
Just nine championships.
74 modified wins.
Deserving.
But at what level?
You think those were easy to win?
Easier than a cup?
Are you...
I mean...
I don't know that you can say that.
I mean, honestly...
I know.
I mean, I don't know if you can say that either.
Yeah, I mean, some of those were harder to win than a cup race.
Nine championships.
I would absolutely guess that some of the races that he won
ran in a modified, were tougher to win than a cup race.
If he was in a Hendrick car during these years,
could he have won a championship in the cup series?
Oh, I mean, now what are we doing?
Yeah.
I'm just saying, like...
Wait, so then are we gonna create some drivers on a scale?
They had this many wins, but it was in a lesser car,
so we're gonna boost it.
I don't care what car you win.
What did you do when you were in the cup series?
I don't still think that's a fair assessment.
Like, we don't look at, like, a quarterback.
I'm like, oh, he was good, but if he only had a better team,
you know, his stats would have been better.
Like, so let's put him in the Hall of Fame.
I mean, look at Sam Darnold.
Everyone rode him off after going to the Jets.
Now he's a Super Bowl champion.
But he's not a Hall of Famer.
I'm not saying he is, but it matters.
Like, what you get in...
No, I agree, it matters.
But what I'm saying, though, is when it comes time
of your career is over, you don't get bonus points
for you were in a bad car.
Sorry, I'm just saying timing works out.
Y'all are now having an entirely different conversation.
No, I'm f***ing...
No, I'm not.
I'm just saying that...
I want to let y'all talk, but y'all always do this.
We end up going way over here.
Nobody even wants to have this conversation.
We started off way over here with this conversation.
I'm just saying, like, you don't get bonus points
because you were in a lesser car.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean...
No one's arguing that.
Yeah, I'm not really arguing that.
So, all right, never mind.
It's known to the world that you're...
You're out there.
You're out there on an island.
I know I am.
I'm with you, I'm on that island.
I was hesitant to even say it to begin with.
I'm glad he said it.
Brave of you to share such a crazy idea.
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