Where the Streets Have No Flame

But I don't know why the double D's.

I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere.

They're right in the hand right now.

This week on that car show, we go crazy for defenders

in the desert.

Lindsay teaches a Subaru Forester wilderness a thing or two.

I go trail hunting in the Toyota 4Runner Trail Hunter.

And Dan goes where the streets have no name

and the Joshua trees are cheap.

All that plus more Mustang GTD's, some double D's,

and even some Tesla news.

It's that car show.

Hey, folks, welcome to this week's that car show.

The original car show in quote of the week is,

imitation is the best form of flattery.

And I won't say any more than that.

But welcome to Lindsay and Ryan.

We're back for another cruise show.

Firstly, I wanted to give you guys a hat tip

because of the scoop of getting the masked singer.

Well, almost the masked singer.

It was Los Angeles Death Highway creator,

which I don't think any of the podcasters have that.

Gentlemen, I'm assuming it's a gentleman who knows.

According to the voice disguiser,

but you know, AI is getting pretty good these days.

So there was one other podcast that he was on,

probably in the last year called What's Up Player

and otherwise, we're the only ones.

And that was a really fun,

very unique recording experience, wouldn't you say, Ryan?

It was, it was, but really enjoyed that one.

Have had a lot of great feedback.

A lot of people know of the account.

Other people didn't now do.

I mean, he's kind of a genius, right?

I know, talk about recognizing a need and filling the void.

But I mean, and he was so nice.

She's great.

He's so nice to chat with.

Such an interesting conversation.

You go back and you rewatch those

and you see stuff you missed the first couple of times,

right?

And it is the details.

It's the name of the place on the sign.

It's the, you know, just the way, you know,

I don't know, the shoes someone has on.

I mean, it's just, it's so good.

It's so good.

There's so many Easter eggs on there.

If you've not seen his account,

it's Los Angeles Death Highway.

Just Angeles Death Highway.

Angeles Death Highway.

And he uses AI to basically bring car culture to life

in California and also car culture

that's not afraid to take the piss out of each other.

So it's really, really good.

And our episode was great.

So if you haven't listened to that one,

recommend you listen to it.

And the feedback we've had from last week's episode,

where do we start?

What a guy.

Yeah.

It was the common theme was like the posts on Instagram

was he's such a nice guy.

He's such a nice guy.

He's got a great guy there.

So, yeah.

And we thank him again for joining us last week.

That's right.

Got to have him back in time too.

Yeah, that was an interesting conversation.

I mean, what a unique collection.

He's the one of one really.

Well, and I have to say the last post,

or I think Johnny posted a screenshot

from one of the Angeles Death Highway videos,

I think the Malibu one.

And I looked at the screenshot and I'm like,

I have that picture in real life of like Spike and Jerry

and Johnny and Matt and everybody just milling around

talking like right in front of the porch of Malibu kitchen.

I was like, yep, I have a version of that picture,

but mine is real.

Have we ever seen you and ADH in the same room, Lindsay?

I don't know.

We have not.

And if they were both on the podcast.

Yeah, I know.

How does that work?

Again, AI is getting really good.

Really good.

It was interesting.

The latest one starts with Leno driving through.

There's a bit of a hat tip to the old place.

And it's basically if you're not gonna buy food,

have sex or drive.

Really?

And I'll say I was up there a couple of weeks ago.

And whilst I appreciate that there were probably

a lot of people that were going to that location.

It's a location up in the hills above Malibu

and probably not buying food and drink.

And it's a business.

We went there and the matriot D was very unfriendly

and unwelcoming and we just wanted to buy a drink,

but we wanted to give them business.

So they got it spot on.

They got it spot on.

Now I want to talk about Lindsay.

Lindsay, you represented both yourself and the podcast

at an industry event.

I think it was last week.

What was that?

On Thursday.

So Avance has done, this was the second year in a row now

during women's month.

They do a women's panel at the,

it's called the One Drivers Club.

It's a car storage and social club in Seattle.

Dan and I have been there and they put together

a panel of women in the industry.

Last year I knew a couple of the people

and I offhandedly said to Chrissy

who was the Avance Seattle director

and is now the national director.

I said, all right, this is my motivation.

I'm gonna work really hard.

So I get invited to be on the panel this year

and lo and behold, I was asked to be one of the panelists.

So it was a really diverse group of women.

I was there, like you said, Dan representing us,

the show and myself and just they wanted women to come

and share their stories of their path

through the automotive world.

And the gal next to me owns two

of the well-known Porsche shops here.

And she's actually from Ukraine

and left during the war, came here,

bought one shop, has built that up

and then bought a second shop.

And then the gal on the other side of me

was kind of trying to figure out what her next move was.

She'd had a baby and wanted to be an automotive.

She went through the certification process

for STEC and she's now like a master PPF rap technician.

And then the gal on the other side of her is a,

she's an instructor at performance,

which is the high performance driving school

and race school that I started driving at.

So that was really cool.

And then our last but not least panelist

was the gal that owns the Pacific raceways

where performance is.

It's a good company.

It was, we didn't want to have some future guests.

Exactly.

Can we find this recording somewhere?

It was not recorded, but I have some videos

that I will probably share.

And I have a lot of still pictures

and Tori managed to catch a lot of like bloopery,

very funny shots of all of us.

It was a really cool group of panelists.

Shobby, who's now the Seattle director,

she succeeded Chrissy and she and Chrissy co-hosted.

And there were probably 50 people

and there were a lot more like men were there too,

this year in the audience, which was cool to see.

So it was really great group.

We had an interesting discussion.

Everybody has a really unique story

and totally different paths, but a lot of good advice.

Yeah, excellent, excellent.

I should probably explain, I didn't explain in the beginning,

Ryan is currently on location in Santa Fe,

is that right Ryan?

That's right, that's right.

Santa Fe, as they say, it's like, you know, one, you know.

Oh, the emphasis is on the word.

The emphasis is on the word.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you know, you know.

And the reason that he's in Santa Fe

is potentially because he's on vacation,

but the real reason was that he begged Toyota to borrow a car

and they said, only if you give it a proper road test,

so you've got more than seven hours, is that right?

Yes, after that glowing GR Corolla review that I did,

you know, I feel like I'm probably good for a while

and this is a very different car.

So this is the top of the line forerunner,

current forerunner, it's called the Trail Hunter.

And I had driven the Tacoma, the Taco version at an event

about a year ago and really kind of fill them up with it.

It's really unique in that it is a forerunner

that needs nothing out the door to go overlanding,

to go off-roading, and it's unique in that it's got

aftermarket parts from the factory, right?

So it's got ARB rack, it's got a steel bumper in the back,

it's got old man emu suspension parts,

it's got rigid lighting in the front,

the wheels are probably, it's got these beautiful bronze wheels

which are probably aftermarket as well.

And it has the, I guess, standard on the Trail Hunter

optional and a couple of the lesser trims.

I don't know what the name is, but it's basically

this mild hybrid with a turbo, it's a four cylinder,

and it makes about 330-odd horsepower

and I think 450-some pound feet of torque.

And the most amazing thing is it's got a snorkel

from the factory that makes all the pops, whistles,

and whatever sounds you want going down the road.

It's kind of a love it or hate it proposition.

I love it because I'm just a big child

and I've got the windows down and my wife,

not a big fan, daughter somewhere in between.

Great, capable car.

We tried to find some trails today down here in Santa Fe

that would be a challenge, couldn't find any.

It's just, it's so capable.

It just rolls through or rolls over everything

and people love this thing.

It's this sort of blue green with these bronze

or gold accents.

I've had more people come up to me to ask me about it

to say, hey, cool car, waves from other forerunners.

I heard from a couple people it's their dream car.

So it's not my dream car.

Wow.

And I wouldn't want to, it's a thing, it's a vibe.

I wouldn't want to drive the thing every day,

but I could see someone who had a daily driver

much like we have Porsches for the weekend, right?

This would be their weekend car.

It's maybe not so practical day to day,

but hell of a thing, lots of little Easter eggs,

little hidden things like a Bluetooth speaker

that pops out of the dash, a JBL speaker

that's always charged.

You've got stereo controls in the back.

There's an air compressor on board.

It's a hell of a thing.

I feel very at home in it here in Santa Fe.

I feel like I belong.

Right, you're properly kitted out.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's growing on me for sure.

Much like other Toyota products, right?

You get in sometimes things for the old school

and everything, but like the GR Corolla,

by the time I had to give it up, I wanted one.

And I have a feeling it's going to be the same thing

with this thing.

People who have not been to Santa Fe,

what is the terrain and what is the,

is it a desert?

Is it mountains?

Yeah, it's interesting.

I think it's at about 65 or 6,800 feet where we are.

So it's quite a bit higher than even say Denver, right?

It's unseasonably warm here, much like Denver.

I think it was in the low 80s today.

And they also, much like Colorado,

didn't get a lot of snow this winter.

And so, you know, creeks and rivers are a little low,

things are a little brown,

but yet like the trees are flowering and all this.

So I would say it's high desert,

I think is what they call it.

It is not as severe a terrain as say like the Rockies

in Colorado for the most part.

But it's really beautiful.

You know, you've got tall pine forests and this and that.

It's kind of rolling where we are.

And it's, yeah, I'm sure there are some trails here

that could give the forerunner a run for its money,

but we have a few more days to find and report back.

That's right, that's right.

So what does the car parks,

what do the car parks look like there?

Is it, are they full of off-road SUVs or?

It's interesting.

I've seen some interesting porches here.

I've seen some air cooled stuff.

There's a great porches seen down here.

I know we have a lot of listeners down here.

I've seen a lot of Glendavagans, old and new, you know,

Europa, who used to import Jewagans before they were,

you know, legal, you could buy one through the dealerships.

They were in Santa Fe for many, many years.

If you, you know, would read those old road and track magazines

to see the ads in the back for Europa and Santa Fe.

Lots of old sobs for some reason.

Really?

That's old presser types who come down here to retire

and stuff, which would explain that.

But the biggest thing that has really shocked me is

I have seen, I bet two dozen late model defenders.

I have seen more defenders here than I've probably seen,

you know, anywhere else, including LA.

The defender per capita is crazy.

Two doors, four doors, every trim level, they're everywhere.

And I suppose it'd be a pretty ideal car for here.

Yeah, I could see that.

Well, especially if you like going off-roading,

which it sounds like it's easy to do.

I have a feeling most of these probably do,

but they look good in the valet.

They want to look like they could just, you know,

turn left and head out on the trail.

But our buddy from Defender, Sam Allen, you know,

I'd love to talk with him.

Is this, you know, kind of a hot spot?

I mean, it must be.

There's a car scene down here for sure.

A couple of my box, which kind of threw me newer my box.

So there's definitely a money to set here.

A little bit of everyone, but yeah.

It's the defenders that really struck me.

So interesting.

Well, especially seeing the 90s, the two doors,

those always catch my attention

because there are, you know,

a number of defenders in Seattle,

especially on the East side,

but the two doors are much more rare.

Like I saw a blue 90 the other day

and I was like, what never seen that combo.

Yeah, so good.

I was at a bagel shop before we left Denver to come down here

and there was a white 90,

white with black wheels and all those.

I got caught by the owner taking pictures of the thing

and she was a young woman.

She was home from college.

It belonged to her parents.

She went on and on and on

and about how it's her parents' favorite car.

And I remember talking to Sam Allen

about who buys these cars.

And he said, well, it's like this or a Porsche, right?

And I definitely got that vibe from her as well.

And yeah, I think I need one.

I really do, but I want a 90.

I want a two door.

They're just so rare and they're just, you know,

that much cooler in my eyes.

So anyway, they're on.

Well, it is a conversation piece, you know,

and I think- For sure.

I think that's one of the things I love about the Defender

is that because there are the three variants,

there really is something for every family or person

or situation or use case without sacrificing,

you know, where you're like, well, I'll just make this work.

I'll make this extra long one work

or I'll make the short one work.

You don't have to make it work.

You can just pick the one that works perfectly for you.

And it's one of the few cars that looks great

and apply it's white.

Yes. I think that's my favorite color.

I always, there's, you know,

they have that beautiful dark burgundy metallic,

which I love, but I always go like, okay, but the white.

Yeah.

Yeah, if you ever wanted to drive a Raisin,

that's the color for you.

But I know the one, it actually looks very, very nice.

It looks like there's something about the lines

of the kind of fender and that color is absolute perfection.

Yeah. Yeah.

Works well on British cars across the board.

It does. Yes.

And I think Lindsay, you talked about this a little bit last week,

but you've also had a press car recently.

I mean, anyone who's not had a press car

for about three weeks or four weeks.

It's because you're busy working.

That's right.

Something very strange.

If you haven't had a press car in a few weeks,

that's even the one who's been, you know,

press cars coming out your ears.

So right, and actually we had to balance the scales a little bit.

So they say timing is everything.

You picked up a Subaru just in time for a free weather.

Yeah, for Seattle to actually have winter.

I mean, people had started saying to each other, like,

gosh, we didn't get any snow.

It was really mild, you know, this winter.

And be careful what you wish for because we got,

depending on where you were,

we got between a foot and two feet of snow.

Did you really?

It was crazy.

But like you said, Dan, timing was absolutely perfect

because I got a 2026 Subaru Forester Wilderness

Thursday morning and Friday we woke up to snow.

So I was very, very well outfitted

and immediately took it and went in search of more snow

because we were getting some accumulation where I am,

but I headed inland.

And again, the timing was really funny

because I got it Thursday, Friday it started snowing.

Saturday was the Evance Women's Off-Road Day,

which is the other event that they do for Women's Month.

And I took the car and went in the, you know,

vague direction of dirtfish,

but ended up at dirtfish ultimately.

And I was like, oh, well, without meeting two,

we kind of went and did some recce,

which is like the day before the rallies,

they go and check the route.

So we went and checked out where we were gonna be.

And the car's so fantastic.

Like, and Ryan, you've had one too, not that long ago.

A few weeks ago, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We just had different colors, but same car,

they're so fantastic.

Like, I just, and it did so well in the snow,

like never had a minute's hesitation.

Like I felt completely confident,

you know, because we kind of went exploring.

I'm like, it's got these amazing all-terrain tires.

Again, like you said, stock from the factory

with the forerunner as an overlander.

This is their off-road trim, the wilderness is for Subaru.

So I was like, well, let's see how it does.

And it has, I don't know if you got to try

the different drive modes, the X mode,

and it's got, you know, regular and then snow.

As much as I could without snow, yeah.

Right, like, and then it's got deep snow and mud,

which I really used on Saturday for the off-road day.

Yeah, tell us about that because the top one,

or is that, do they do one that's more luxurious

at the top end?

They do, they have a touring and a limited,

which those are the more luxurious ones.

And so I had the Forester last year, 2025,

for the women's off-road event.

And the one I had was actually the touring,

which is like the, you know,

more creature comfort, luxury trim level.

The wilderness is the, like, take this off-roading.

And it comes from the, it's got rubber mats,

it's got all-terrain tires, a little more ground clearance.

You know, you can see the car is raised up a little bit.

And it's, it was ready to go.

You, you had some great photos of like, just, you know,

kicking up rooster tails of mud and snow.

And I think I saw the car off the ground at times.

Oh yes.

You really put it through the spaces.

Oh yeah.

It was like, I asked for a car to take off-roading

and they give it to me, so we did.

And yeah, it was up on three wheels multiple times.

And because of the snow,

the water was much deeper than it was last year.

So the course was much more aggressive.

And so X mode has one option called deep snow and mud.

And I was in that mode all day.

Excellent.

The water, like, and this car does not have a snorkel

and it's obviously lower than a four-runner.

So there was one area, and luckily they have,

like basically corner workers on the course spotters.

And they kept telling us, they're like,

okay, at the end, it's too deep.

It's too deep, it's too deep.

Finally, I'm like, are we gonna be able to finish the course?

Like, what are we talking about?

But we just had to go over on the side

because they had the corner or the spotter had a raptor.

And they're like, it was about up to the top

of the raptor tire, which would have been, you know,

mid-window on the coarser with no snorkel.

But it, again, it just chewed up the course.

Like, the water was up to the top of the hood

in some places.

But it was-

You just wanna get another one in time.

So, you know, you wanna return it.

Yeah, look after it.

Right, oh yeah.

I mean, I, you know, off-roaded responsibly.

But it was, we had the best time.

The whole rest of the week we were talking

about how much fun we had.

The car did amazingly.

I had the same experience last year

when I took the forester last year.

People kept coming up to me going like,

you're in the Subaru?

Wait, like, tell me about this.

They're like, I'm having so much fun watching you.

You're tearing up the course.

It's so capable.

And yeah, like, people were waving us over

or running over when I'd finished a lap.

They're like, this is so cool.

I got the best video of you.

I got the best pictures.

I have to send them to you.

So between the people that were out there

driving with us and then the photographers

that Avonce provides,

we got some pretty amazing photos and video.

So Lindsay, you mentioned that there may be some changes

at a certain airport in California.

And that may have a big implication

on car storage in LA.

Yes, they have announced after many years

of people being afraid that this was gonna happen

or rumblings about it.

They have announced officially

the Santa Monica airport will be closing,

I think in 2028.

So they have a couple of years of runway,

obviously, to figure out solutions,

but you know, I'm gonna be all listen to, right?

Thank you.

I'll be here all week.

We all listen to Spikes Car Radio

and they talk about that's where they keep parts

of their collections.

That's where Jerry keeps his collection in LA.

I know Ewan McGregor used to keep his collection there.

So there are a lot of car collections there

because it's a fantastic location.

It's completely secure because it's an active airport.

So everybody feels comfortable leaving their cars there.

You know, and I think they say they're gonna turn it

into a park and my gut reaction was like,

well, parks in California have unfortunately become,

a lot of places they've just become campgrounds.

And so it's disheartening because obviously

that's gonna cost taxpayer dollars and to go like, wait,

but there's so many people that the airport

is actively serving in a positive way

and that's gonna go away.

And it's been there for decades.

It's a historic landmark.

I don't know if it's officially a landmark,

but yeah, it's too bad to see it go away.

Any chance they'd keep the hangers

and the storage and all that?

It doesn't sound like it.

They said they're gonna put in like a park

and sports courts and.

Oh, some developer will make some money off the deal.

Don't touch you.

It's gonna be a pickle bowl, sorry.

Right.

And then they'll close it

because the neighbors will complain about the noise.

We know this, we've seen this before.

Yeah, I was like, we all know how this goes.

Can we just leave it as an airport, please?

And then our, you know.

Because Matt Farrow obviously has got Westside.

He took a number of years to build that.

So, you know, there aren't many choices

are there locally for car storage.

Right, and he's full.

I mean, even with his, he's got two locations now

and he's, you know, I think has a wait list.

So it's the, that's, I mean,

that's a constant conversation in Southern California

is like, what do you, where do you keep your cars?

Because, you know, a lot of people are lucky enough

they outgrow their own garages very quickly.

There are the, the 1% of the 1%

who end up just buying the houses around them

to use the garages for storage,

which is more common than you'd expect.

Yeah, they're just like that.

Obviously kidding me, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but, you know.

Yeah, I can find a second space at my apartment

if anyone wants to park a Ferrari,

who's called me, made that happen.

As long as I get usage rights.

Right.

It's free, you just need the extra set of keys, right?

That's right.

Absolutely.

Great location.

It's fully gassed up.

Do you know what my apartment block was on?

I watched a TV show called The Rookie.

Have you guys seen The Rookie?

I've heard of it.

I haven't watched it yet.

It's a TV show with Nathan Fillian.

And when I went off to, I think I was,

I went off to Phoenix car week,

Scottsdale car week.

Yeah, yeah.

And the week before I got a note in the,

in the post to say the road's going to be closed

for filming.

So unfortunately I was away when they were filming.

Oh, shoot.

There was a big car scene that I watched tonight

on this show called The Rookie

and it featured my apartment block.

So even my apartment you could see.

That's cool.

No one in.

So watch The Rookie and near the end there's a car.

It's a cop show, yeah?

Yeah, yeah.

So we're in Santa Fe here

and we're driving in the highway

and I see three New Mexico state police cars

all in a row in green and white and, you know, red lights.

And then it was, oh, these are all like cars

from like the seventies.

They were filming a movie

and they were sort of, it must be a cop movie,

but muscle memory being what it is,

I immediately slammed down the brakes.

I mean, I wasn't driving in the seventies obviously,

but that just, that police car, you know.

Right.

The Pavlovian response.

That's exactly it.

It's pretty wild.

Anyway, they almost got me, but yeah.

Time, speaking of time travel, yeah.

The ticket would be eight dollars, right?

It would have been, it would have been okay.

Just earn warning.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Stopwatches and, yeah.

Flying machines.

Very good, very good.

I saw that the US Postal Service

has just released a new stamp collection.

Yeah.

And it's honoring low riders.

So I thought, well, what if we had the ability

to do our own stamps, what would we book?

What would your theme be?

What cars and what would it look like?

Brian, why don't you go?

Well, I can think of a couple off the top.

Don't you steal any of my ideas?

I think, you know, all Porsches are all 9-11s

is probably too easy.

Show me all the M cars, right?

Wouldn't that be a fun series?

You know, going back to the E-28 and the E-30 and all that.

But that's my vote.

I think those would make for these things.

Oh, I love that idea.

Yeah, because you want something that has a range

where you can have enough of a variety

that keeps it interesting.

Right, 9-11s all look the same.

No one would know the difference, you know.

No, that's a great choice.

Thanks, thanks.

What about you?

Well, I mean, I have to go with Broncos.

Oh, why?

Although, you could also do, okay, so two options.

You could either do Bronco because the body styles

have been varied enough, you could keep it interesting

and there is a current one, you know,

so a lot of different generations would like connect to it.

Right.

I think you could also do a Shelby collection

because you could do the two Cobras,

you could do the GT40, you could do the Mustangs,

you know.

You could do Carol.

Right, exactly, you know.

There's a good, again, you could do,

you have a lot of options to keep it interesting

and I think with Ford versus Ferrari,

like, you know, introducing a new generation

to those cars that might be more,

even more appeal than there would have been.

Yeah, you guys are way more academic than I am.

Ah.

So what a challenge.

I'm going TV movie cars.

Oh, oh, that's great.

Well, that's very night rider, you know,

I just think that would be an amazing set of stamps.

Yeah, that would be.

And I think even people that are not stamp collectors

would collect them and they would never get used,

but that would be fantastic.

Well, it's genius because it's crossover

into popular culture, right?

I mean, everyone can appreciate a, you know, an E46,

but you know, who doesn't love, you know,

the DeLorean from Back to the Future or whatever, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Even now, all the Bond cars, and I guess that's where

it's right.

Oh, yeah.

Or British and German a little bit,

and the Bond cars could be a good set of stamps.

Well, and I thought that I had seen one of the stamps,

one of the cars that's on the low rider stamps

is called Pocket Change.

It's the green and yellow, I think it's the Cutlass.

And when I was at the Louvre in 2011,

there was a low rider displayed under the pyramid

in the Louvre, and it was also green and yellow and blue.

And I'm like, wait, that's the car that was at the Louvre.

So I asked our research assistant,

it turns out that that was not correct,

but they do have the same color scheme

of green and yellow and blue.

But the one that was at the Louvre is called

Orguillo Mexicano, which was a Chevy Monte Carlo.

At the Tuesday, it was called Walkin' Around Money.

Yeah.

But it was the weirdest, like, the most position.

Yeah, because I walked into the Louvre and I'm like,

okay, so it was like all the expressions of like,

no matter where you go, you're always home,

or like, I can't leave, you know, I'm still in LA,

even though I'm in France, it was so funny.

And then you had a hamburger and called it a day, right?

Right, went to McDonald's and I was like,

I'm very at home in France, no reason.

I'm trying to imagine the tour,

who's like ladies and gentlemen on your left,

he's the Mona Lisa.

Orguillo Mexicano.

I love it.

That's some tour, isn't it?

Yeah, I thought I was seeing something

when we first walked in and saw it,

I'm like, this can't be, okay, yeah, but that's what it was.

Very funny.

Well, when the USPS does these,

they'll have us to credit, right?

That's right, we were right.

Maybe we can get that car show as a logo

and one of them as well.

Yeah, yeah.

Ooh, that's what we need.

We need that car show stamps with our logo,

and then we each get to pick one car.

Yeah, let me get, that's gold, right guys?

Sold, life goals.

It sounds like there is an announcement coming in April

about the Tesla Roadster.

So this is one of these cars that was teased.

There was a working model that Elon took Jay Leno in,

but it's never, people who put deposits down

and it's never come to fruition.

Right.

So I don't know whether the announcement

is coming on the 1st of April, if it is,

I think it was a completely different announcement.

That tells us everything we need to know.

Well, even this people that put down the deposits

for cyber trucks years and years ago

finally got their cyber trucks, right?

Right.

So, you know, I have faith, I vote, but.

Yeah, so in that sense, you can't say that.

We know how that worked out.

Yeah.

Right, right.

So we'll say, but I think also Elon has said

that potentially that car will be the last

people focused car.

So what he means by that is everything else

is going to be more automated.

Interesting.

Tesla are obviously moving away from cars to robots,

but so maybe it's the Swan Song.

Yeah.

They're like, we have to deliver at least one

before we just cancel all the cars.

Stay tuned, right?

I think everyone listening knows how we feel about that.

Yes.

Well, we'll see in April, see what the announcement is

if it actually becomes an announcement

and see whether it's one of those 1st of April announcements

or later in the year.

So do we know, because I feel like at this point

it's been like a decade since the Roadster was teased

and people were able to put their deposits down?

I mean, it's been a long time.

Think of the interest on those deposits.

Right.

How do you think they're funding everything else?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paying for those rocket ships with deposits.

That's right, that's right.

Yeah, from the Tesla Roadster.

So we will see, but if you've actually put a deposit

down on Tesla Roadster, please send us a comment.

I guess we would love to know

if you've had any advanced communication.

Yeah, tell us why.

Yeah, we have lots of questions.

We are a judgment-free zone.

Our show is judgment-free,

but if you have put a deposit down, let us know.

And we promise not to quiz you.

We're just curious.

Good news if you're a Mercedes-Benz fan,

because they're bringing back the Black Series.

The Black Series was always the unobtainment,

I can't talk this evening.

What's the word I'm looking for?

Unobtainment.

Yeah, there we go.

That's why we're a team.

Table of Elements, yeah.

And they're bringing a new one back.

So I thought I would ask you guys,

and let's see if we've all got the same answer.

What is the greatest AMG Black Series of history?

So I am very partial to the C63 Black Series,

because I feel like it was such a sleeper

in the sense that if you didn't know

what you were looking at, you'd go like,

okay, Mercedes sedan, and then you drive it.

Nice.

Yes.

Ryan, what did you have?

Well, kind of related the CLK63.

Like that is the one for me.

I think they were only made in 2008.

I've actually known a handful of people that have owned them.

Supposedly wonderful cars, 507, I think horsepower.

They just look the business.

They have these beautiful forged wheels.

I can go on and on.

Up down a little bit, I think,

by the seven-speed automatic.

Although I think people have done some conversions.

But I think when you look at it through the lens of it

being a German muscle car, I think the automatic is okay.

And damn, we all should have just bought one

when they were cheap,

because they have really, really come up.

They're just cool.

I mean, and I think silver is the color on those.

But yeah, that's my favorite AMG Black car.

No question.

What about you?

Well, I've said the good news is

we've all got different cars.

Okay, good, good.

Which is great.

We're really good at all choosing different things.

So it keeps it interesting.

So I went for the SL65 AMG,

which is, it was always a hard top car, right?

The SL traditionally was a hard top convertible.

Was you couldn't get it in a convertible.

I just think the stance on it, I just think it looks, yeah.

It's cool.

I forgot that that wasn't, that that was a hard top.

I think that was the car where it had so much power and torque

they had to dial down the power

and the first couple of gears, right?

As to not explode the transmission.

That was a cool thing for sure.

I'm looking at it now.

It was outsourced to HWA,

who are the guys who are arresting modding the old 190s.

So they did a lot of work on different AMG cars.

And one of the owners of HWA was a founder of AMG.

Okay.

When he sold the company.

Hammers with attitude.

Do you know what the rarest black,

I'm gonna say these black series cars.

I do not.

So I would love for you to tell us.

Is it lame, Dan?

Is it something really terrible?

I wouldn't say it's lame.

A C class wagon or something.

But it's not one that I don't,

I don't think I would want to buy it, but it's the SLK.

They did an SLK black series.

That's right.

Not in the States though, if I recall.

I don't know, but had only 400 horsepower I think.

But it was weird because it was, you know,

you wouldn't expect it in that smaller car.

Yeah. Do you know what Dan?

That was the worst SLK ever made in my eyes.

That was the one that sort of eight the SLR look,

but it just, it was that era of like Chrysler,

Mercedes Benz where the interior was just not to snuff.

And yeah, that's an unfortunate looking thing.

I'm looking at it now.

I mean, it's still badass.

Don't get me wrong.

But I think you can only put so much lipstick on a pig, huh?

It's like the ginger step child, isn't it?

You said it.

I like redheads.

So I think it's coming out very soon,

the new black series.

So yeah, it's great continuing that tradition.

Any sense of price?

Let me see if our research department is.

Speaking of unobtainium.

A lot.

You have to are.

Well, you do that.

It's so good to see like the pre-merger AMGs finally

coming into their own.

Took a little time, but guessing this is at least $200,000.

So it's.

Oh, I would imagine.

Maybe three.

Half a million I would guess.

Okay.

Multiple.

Well, I'm still living in the seventies.

That's right.

I'm still slamming on the brakes for $72.

In riot timeline, it's affordable, so we're going to go with that.

That's right.

Very good.

Lindsay, you had a story about a dealer being accused

of selling a Jeep to a person with dementia.

Yes.

So apparently, so it was in Carrollton, Georgia,

which I'm like, oh, there's all, you know,

there's like Carol tie in, of course.

But yeah, so apparently this man that was living

in a senior living facility responded to an ad

that the dealer had placed and the dealership ended up

sending a salesman to the senior living facility.

Oh boy.

But unfortunately, the man that had contacted them

has dementia.

So he ended up somehow, I think they took him,

like picked him up and took him back to the dealership.

So there's a contract and the man has since passed away.

Before he passed away, neither he nor his wife

had any memory of like signing the contract or buying the car

and the dealer is refusing to unwind the deal.

No, no, no, no, no, I, you know.

Which is what, I mean, it's crazy.

It should be a no-brainer, but it made,

it got me thinking and so I'm curious what you guys,

like what you may have had, what stories you may have

because I was thinking like, okay,

what was the craziest car dealership experience

I had over the years?

And before I got the X3,

I was also looking at manual forerunners

because I think they made them like mid 90s.

You could get a manual forerunner.

And they're rare.

And so when they came up, you had to jump on it.

And I had been stalking, you know,

all the dealers and Craigslist and classified ads,

all that up here.

And one came up at a dealer in downtown Seattle.

And so I went right after work and I talked to a sales guy

and he did not know that they had taken this car in.

So I knew before he did.

So that, you know, I was like, okay, it's fine.

It's a new car.

He couldn't find it on the lot.

And I kept, I was like, all right, maybe this is not to be.

And then he said, oh no, no, I figured it out.

It's in our, I don't know what you'd call it

because it wasn't a repair shop,

but it's like where they take the cars to refurbish them

before they put them out on the lot

after they take them in on trade

because this car needed some body work apparently too.

So he ended up taking me back into this shop,

which I don't think customers are supposed to have access to.

And because I don't think customers are supposed to go there,

I didn't have like the correct shoes

and I ended up falling in the shop.

Really?

And I was like, you know what?

This is not, this is not meant to be, I gotta go.

Ladies and gentlemen, Jess Toyota.

That's right.

And yeah, and the rest is history.

Yeah, wow, wow, wow, wow.

What's your worst experience, Dan?

I'm just trying to think.

I mean, when I bought the Corolla,

it was, I signed all the forms,

but they didn't take any money

and the cars were in higher demand at the time.

So I ended up like chasing them, chasing them, chasing them.

And the car was in LA and I was up in Seattle at the time.

And I ended up having to talk to the dealer principal

and say, look, you've done all the forms,

you've not taken any money,

but I don't want you to sell this car to someone else.

And he gave me his word,

but that was a lot of chasing

just to make sure that that car was mine,

even though I signed the forms.

And then you removed your hands from his neck

and the rest is history, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, what about you, Ryan?

Yeah, you know, I'm thinking back.

I generally had good experiences,

but as a younger person,

when my credit wasn't quite where it is,

maybe today's an old man,

I do remember going into,

it was a high end sort of used lot, right?

And being offered a 14.99% interest rate,

which I think talked them down to 12.99 or 11.99

and thought I'd really, you know, one, yes, yes, yes.

And, you know, and then of course realizing very quickly,

you know, that that was not a good deal.

And I've always argued that, you know,

in high school people should be taught like practical math,

you know, and compound interest and this kind of thing

in a way that I don't think I ever was

not to make excuses.

But, you know, I was happy to get a car, I guess,

didn't keep the car very long, got better credit scores

as I, you know, got a real job and this kind of stuff.

But in retrospect, I sort of feel like

they took advantage of me.

I guess I was happy.

But, you know, this dealership,

can we know the name of this dealership

with the dementia couple?

Because we should call them out.

And, you know, at least now we know

who's buying these jeeps in 2026.

Right.

Let's see, okay, I can find it.

Well, it's Scott Evans Chrysler Dodgers jeep.

Oh, it is.

But they allegedly did this.

Let's not break us into jail or if you are,

you need to sue Ryan Barkie.

That's Ryan Barkie.

Good luck.

You're bringing that credit score right back down.

It does seem to be this theme right now of,

at least in the press, a few sketchy dealerships

because also I think two weeks ago,

there was the story about the guy who bought the GT3.

And then he found out that the car

was actually a training car.

Yes.

For training and stuff.

So, you know, there's a lawsuit going on there as well.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's that, is it the Lion Green

or the Birch Green or whatever GT3?

There, I think Van Wiki did a piece on it.

I've seen some stories online

where this car just keeps getting passed around

and sort of getting washed, right?

The title and all this.

But they have now traced this car back

to some basically drug addict

who bought this thing new with cash

and ran it into the ground.

And you can hide a lot, right?

With the process of tidying the car.

Yeah, if you know what you're doing.

All this kind of stuff.

Title washing, yeah, for sure.

And don't let us, don't get us started on that whole,

the bring a trailer thing, right?

With the cars that are bought and sold

by like six of the same people, right?

Specifically, late model GT3s.

Did you?

No.

Our buddy Dan McGinnis brought this to our attention.

But basically, someone actually looked at bring a trailer

and we love bring a trailer.

I had to laugh, we're in Airbnb

and I kept thinking as I walked in the door,

all the parallels between like Airbnb

and bring a trailer,

like everything looks much better in photos, right?

Funnily about once, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's like an online dating parallel in there.

Oh, God, yeah, yeah, especially with filters and all.

No, this place is perfectly nice.

But I think in a nutshell, what was happening

is someone actually ran the data on late model GT3s

and specifically tourings.

And they realized that of all the 15,

992 tourings that have been bought and sold

on bring a trailer, all transactions except for maybe one

were between the same five or six individuals.

And often cases,

often the cases cars were sold by a dealership

to a friend of the dealer.

And then the car would show up with,

three extra miles at another dealer.

And what's happening is they're artificially setting

the market at about $100,000 more than sticker.

And it's really discouraging, you know?

That's cool.

It's like anything, right?

You have something and people are gonna take advantage of it.

And I think that's what's happening, but it's too bad

because I remember the days of being able to go in

and just, you bought what you want, right?

Yeah.

And it's Tom Fulery like this, right?

That has really changed that,

you know, it changed the experience, you know?

And it's unfortunate, but...

Foolishness and nonsense all around.

But a car you can buy is that Ford have just announced

they're opening the books again for the GTD.

That's right.

So my question to you guys is actually,

is it less appealing now that you can potentially buy it

again when it first sold out?

It was almost like an exclusive car.

And we know that when exclusive cars come out,

they generally go up in value, you know,

that they get appreciated.

But, you know, now that you could potentially buy it,

is it less appealing?

Were those sold as a limited series?

Yeah.

They were, I don't have the numbers,

but it was a limited number.

We're gonna be built and you had to apply.

And what I thought was interesting in the article

that I read about this next round of applications

is that they said the people that applied

in the initial round were told

that their application would be kept on file.

So I'm like, oh, I wonder if you wanna reapply,

you just go back in and you're like,

please consider me again.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

I kind of never really did it for me, you know?

I think they're cool, but I don't know.

It was, I never got quite as excited

as maybe some other people did.

Like me.

You've driven one, Dan, I haven't, you tell,

but you haven't actually driven the dark horse.

I've not driven the GTD.

Oh, that's right, that's right.

I've been in the presence of a few.

We've had a few different car shows and stuff,

but it's 325,000, right?

And that's where it starts.

That's where they start, yeah.

Well, and I think I heard people were saying

that that was what they had announced

the starting price was gonna be.

And then before they even came out,

I think there were some delays

and people were saying the price had gone up

like the base price before they were even out.

Yeah.

Because I think a lot of the car is built in Canada.

And presumably if there are a lot of hours,

then that would have taken effect.

Yeah, there's a really good video of Chris Harris

and Max Verstappen taking one around the track.

So if you get the chance, have a look at that video.

It's very, very good.

But yeah, it's not for me.

Yeah, I'm sure it's wonderful.

But yeah, at the end of the day,

it's just not where my money is going, I guess.

I will take one for the team for that car show.

And I will apply for me, yes.

I just, I love the story behind how it was created.

It was very lucky to be at one of the unveiling events

when they debuted it at Monterey, it was at Spanish Bay.

They introduced the car, Jim Farley spoke

and talked about the story behind it.

And their goals for it.

And I love that they looked at the GT3 RS

and they're like, we wanna build a competitor to that,

which is not something that Ford had done.

And like, that's an incredible goal.

Cause people don't typically compare Ford and Porsche.

When you look at this car, it's like,

you can see the engineering and like for Multimatic

to have created it with Ford.

They're the ones that created the new GT.

So I really love it.

Yeah, I'm capable for someone like me to, you know,

I think Multimatic, let's say their name correctly,

I think they actually provide parts of a Ferrari.

So I think they do.

It's a high end, you know,

this isn't your Ford Mustang

that's gonna be at the cars and coffee

leaving in a really, you know, disrespectful way.

But it's a lot of money for a blue oval.

It is, Multimatic is the one,

they're the company that developed the GT

that won Le Mans in 2017,

which was the 50th anniversary.

So they know what they're doing.

Yeah, it's got all the right parts.

It checks off all the right boxes.

You know, it is a great story.

And, you know, it's just,

there are a lot of options for, you know,

three or plus thousand dollars.

Maybe Ford need to create a new brand

that is like their racing brand.

And it's separated to,

cause when you say Mustang GTD, right?

The Mustang thing.

But if they had some sort of RS GTD,

then maybe it would be more interesting.

I can't get a D in my mind with cars,

means diesel, right?

And I think of all the BMWs,

other things that have used D in the, you know,

in the naming, the nomenclature, you know, Mercedes

and that's just, so I can't get past that.

It's not a sexy name.

If you can have not a sexy name

and bring this back to Toyota real quick,

not to hijack the conversation,

but there is a new Toyota truck.

It's the TRD Hammer.

And I have a couple of problems with that one.

It sounds like a made up like superhero.

Yeah, yeah.

Hammer's here, hammer's here.

Oh, Clark.

Yeah.

You have to use the hammer.

Something you use so you can, right?

Yeah.

And again, in my mind, you know,

my hammer is AMG, right?

Like an AMG hammer.

And that's all that will ever mean

in the car or the truck world for that.

Naming is more important

than I think we give it credit for.

It's like, you look at Acura

and when they stopped using names

and they went to TL and, you know,

TSX and RL and all this, sales went down.

And I think there's probably a correlation, right?

It's just, I think, you know,

other than maybe Mercedes-Benz and BMW,

it's just, you know, we want names,

but those names mean something.

You have to be very, very careful what you name things.

So, you know, the whole Chevy Nova story

and all that, right?

Right.

The 70s.

Yeah.

Again, I think Ryan, when he went to Santa Fe,

he didn't realize he entered a one-hole to the 70s.

I may be the youngest person here.

There's that, yes.

Right.

Well, it's like when you...

It's as happy as we have a hot tub.

Yeah.

Not anymore.

Be very careful.

Yeah.

I mean, like you said, naming,

it's like when you go to name a child,

you realize how many associations you have

with different names that you didn't know

until you start throwing them out.

Well, no, that was that person in junior high

that I didn't like or was mean to me or whatever.

What we've talked about this,

my daughter's name is Ilsa.

I don't think that's any secret, you know?

She was born before the movie Frozen, right?

And a couple of three years later, you know,

there was Ilsa, close enough if you're three years old,

you know, and unfortunately, Ilsa was like the,

you know, the beautiful queen or whatever,

but what if she had been the wicked witch?

Can you imagine how difficult it's,

if you want to be unique.

Come on, Disney.

Yeah.

Anyway, sorry.

Back to cars.

I was just thinking there's going to be a whole lot

of kids that are named after the wicked movies.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, you can tell, you know,

yeah, when you look generationally,

you're like, what movies were popular

when you were younger?

And then people ended up naming their kids those names.

Well, I think Lindsey, Dan and Ryan

were sort of of their era, right?

Yeah.

Well, there are a lot of Ryan's.

I mean, I know there were a lot of Ryan's

when I was in school.

Yeah.

Um, there were, there was one other Lindsey,

which actually both sets of parents were shocked about

because it's not very common.

But yeah, Dan, were there,

were you one of many Daniels in school?

I think so, but I was named after an Elton John song.

Really?

Oh.

Which song is that?

I'm trying to think.

Daniel.

Oh God.

I'm just going to go out and live in here.

Dan, you were tuning in to Highbrow Conversation.

This is the wrong podcast.

I'm thinking, candle in the wind.

Like, don't shoot me.

I'm the piano player.

From the 70s, you think I know this.

Right.

That's so funny.

Just tune into the radio.

See what's playing at the minute.

Right.

That's funny.

Ryan, were you named after a famous Ryan?

No, I was not.

And it's, of course, an Irish name,

and we're not Irish at all.

So I'm not sure.

My sister's name is Aaron.

So two, two, you know.

Lovely Irish names.

Yeah, you know.

Maybe your parents are German.

So I could have been named something.

Right.

People say like Frank O'Pile.

What's the Irish word for,

the Irish equivalent for like,

if you're an Irish enthusiast.

Potato file.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think it's funny that some folks over here

call it St. Patti's Day.

Oh, that hit a nerve with some folks this year, didn't it?

Yeah.

Where did that come from?

It's not TTY.

It's DDY, right?

DDY, yeah.

Well, because here it's a nickname for Patrick.

Yeah.

But I don't know why the double D's.

I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere.

They're right themselves.

They're right now.

They're right themselves.

What have you guys got coming up

over the next couple of weeks?

Much.

I mean, this morning it was brilliantly sunny.

So hopefully.

You're always up to something.

Yeah.

And I'll stay tuned.

Bet you get that GD4 out if nothing else.

Yeah.

I do want to give a shout out to the Reset Hotel.

So a couple of weeks ago I stayed

and it was beyond Joshua Tree.

So you head west from LA and keep going, keep going.

Eventually you get to Joshua Tree

and just the other side was this place

that's got the Reset Hotel.

Is that where the streets have no name?

Almost.

But apparently.

Wait, you can check in, but you can never leave?

Oh my God.

That's not you too.

But no, Led Zeppelin wrote a song about,

I think it's called 29 Palms, which is where I was staying.

Yeah, okay.

Led Zeppelin wrote a song about it.

But this hotel was all shipping containers.

So you stayed in the shipping container.

In the middle of the desert.

But I drove, I took the Audi out there

and stopped at one of the red stops

to pick up some firewood.

Cause each container had a, you know, had a fire pit.

So anyway, I say to the guy, you know,

can I take any of the firewood?

And he said, yeah, just take the biggest pile.

Take the biggest pile.

None of the fuckers told me

that there was a wind advisory

and no one was allowed fires.

They're like, check the biggest pile.

Sorry.

I'm not going to sell any more.

That's amazing.

I also logged in the car that couldn't get used.

But the hotel was wonderful.

It was a great place for a reset.

So the reset hotel, 29 Palms, highly recommend it.

And what a shame because nothing burns

like Joshua Tree would.

It's true.

Right.

So when you're on a shipping container

in the middle of the desert,

like your unclaimed cargo or something,

was it air conditioned, was it pleasant?

It was very pleasant.

They had air conditioning, they had like a pool.

They had a, I didn't use it,

they had like one of those plunge pools.

Okay.

Also in a shipping container?

That wasn't, that was just like outside.

But an infrared sauna.

Oh, what does that mean?

Red light.

It's a red light sauna.

So it's different to like, I don't know.

The heated stones.

Like a heat lamp.

I consider myself a bit of a sauna aficionado.

Okay.

No, they have, you know,

you'll have like the heat lamp with the stones

is the traditional one.

But an infrared one is red light

and that's how it generates the sauna effect.

So you go in and hang out

and then you go jump in the plunge pool.

Okay.

Did you get a reset?

Would you feel it was?

Yeah, I mean, obviously you then reset

as soon as you get back to the office.

He's gone.

But no, it was a great place.

And I'm not a fan of the traffic getting out there.

So coming back, I like left at 6 a.m.

And there was nothing better than leaving the desert

and the sun coming up behind you

as you're, you know,

as you're slowly making your way back to LA.

Do you drive through Riverside on the way out there?

I think you do.

You have to go to San Bernardino.

San Bernardino, I'm sorry, Riverside County, I think.

San Bernardino.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hello.

Keep going.

Yeah.

But Dan, you took your drone with you, right?

I did.

Yeah, I got myself a new drone and got some good shots.

You got some cool footage.

I think you posted a little clip maybe

and it looked amazing.

Yeah.

That location, I would highly recommend it

if you're looking for somewhere to go

and just kind of chill out for a while.

It's funny that my hairdresser,

I said to my hairdresser,

oh yeah, I went out to 29 Palms.

He's like, did you do shrooms?

I'm like, well, anyway, did you do shrooms?

And I'm like, no, I didn't do shrooms.

Everyone does shrooms out there.

I'm like, no, I didn't do shrooms.

Well, that car show off.

So the real way to do it is to do shrooms.

Okay.

If you want the full reset,

you got to do some shrooms while you're at the resets.

Yeah, I just have logs.

Unused.

Wait, do you still have this wood?

What did you do in the back of the alley?

Okay, I was gonna say,

because I think probably that's their scam, right?

You leave it behind and they go collect it

and then they go sell it for the next guy, right?

Dan's like, not on my watch.

It's going back to LA with me, right?

I also won't use it.

I wasn't in the car.

I'm doing it.

A little bit, I love it.

Bring your next visit.

Yeah, when are you driving back, Ryan?

We are driving back on Saturday morning.

So by the time you listen to this,

I'll still be in Santa Fe.

If you happen to be down in Santa Fe,

and I know there are a couple of you,

let's grab a beer or something.

Nice.

We can marvel at all the Land Rover Defenders.

Exactly, the land of the defender.

I mean, I think I need to make a pilgrimage there now.

Do you remember those old t-shirts

like from the 60s, 70s, Defend Brooklyn?

You know, there should be Defend Santa Fe,

and then there's a picture of a defender.

With like a little, right?

You're right, Sam, are you listening?

Yeah, that's so funny.

Love it.

Nice.

Anything else anyone wanted to talk about tonight?

Man, that was damn near an hour.

I know.

I mean, I feel like that was jam-packed.

We've all been doing so many different car-related things.

Yeah, yeah.

I just want to say, again, if you haven't,

go back, listen to the Andrews Death Highway episode,

and also listen to the Myron Verness episode.

I think those were in the pantheon,

or should be of that car show episode.

Great episodes.

I'm proud of.

Well, it's always nice,

because I think we all go back and listen,

just to sort of check our work,

and it's always nice when you're listening,

and you find yourself laughing organically,

and you're like, I was there,

and I'm still finding it funny.

Or I think, like you said, Ryan,

because when you're recording,

you're kind of thinking ahead

and paying attention to the conversation,

but then when you listen,

you get to just enjoy the conversation.

And particularly the Andrews Death Highway one.

We covered so many topics,

but there were a couple of moments where I was like,

oh, I forgot we even talked about that,

and that's, you know, so it was brand new for me too.

Yeah, you get lost in the conversation,

that's a good one.

Yeah, you know, it's a good time.

Yeah, highly recommend.

Well, I think we're at a show,

so he's going to give us the phrase, the pace.

I am happy to send us off with an exhortation

to remember, always be driving.

Thank you so much for joining us,

and we will see you next week.

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