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Hello and welcome to this car.

Pa.

I'm Kenneth.

I'm Filippo.

And this is going to be our biggest pot ever.

There is so much to cover starting with the biggest news story of the week.

Wistland, Wistland Diesel is a wreck.

We got some drama news first and then we'll get into car news.

Wistland Diesel has been arrested.

It's a travesty.

No, I'm kidding.

It's not a travesty.

And I want to, I want to just do it.

Coming out strong against Cody.

Are you ready?

Listen, I want to start by saying I am an absolute,

I am Wistland's biggest fan.

I watch every video.

I love Wistland.

I have been on the record talking about how much I adore Wistland Diesel.

Yeah, we bought one, we bought, we bought part of his G-Wagon that he tore apart

and he sold parts of it.

We love, I love Wistland Diesel.

He got arrested this week.

Ostensibly, what's been published and what he has confirmed is that he got arrested for

tax evasion for Montana plates on his car, on his Ferrari, and he, which he destroyed,

just burning down a cornfield.

It burned down a cornfield.

So that's all the stuff.

So that's the Filippo.

The car Filippo's upset about the corn.

Now he has already come out and I've decided I'm going to use our podcast today,

the largest automotive podcast to do a little Montana plates rant.

Wow.

I think it's time to just really cover this and shut this all down.

I buckle in Filippo.

Here we go.

I am back for a day.

Wistland, who I love dearly and sincerely has already gone on his Instagram and started

to advocate for himself using the primary argument that people who do the Montana plate

thing use, which is I don't own the car.

A business in Montana owns the car.

Therefore, I am not liable to pay taxes in my state of Tennessee.

There's only one problem with that.

The law in the state of Tennessee, which I have right here, disagrees with you.

The law is very clear.

It says a non resident owner of a private passenger automobile, that would be the Montana

LLC, is the non resident owner, who operates the vehicle in this state, shall not be entitled

to reciprocity in a period in excess of 30 days.

And the problem with the argument, well, I don't own the car, they own the car in Montana.

The state law doesn't distinguish.

And this is the issue that almost everybody has when I see these arguments on rent list

and on Ferrari chat and on Reddit, oh, but I don't own the car.

The law says, if you operate in the state for more than 30 days, you must re-register the

vehicle in the state.

That's what Tennessee law is.

It doesn't care who owns the car.

God himself could own the car.

But if God is operating the car in Tennessee for 30 days, he's got to register in Tennessee.

The law is very clear.

It does not talk about the owner of the car.

It talks about the place where the car is operating.

Right.

Now, I suspect the reason that the states have difficulty proving this, they have to prove

that the car has been-

They have to prove that the car has been in the states for 30 days.

Used to be difficult to prove, but something interesting has happened over the last decade.

License plate readers have showed up all over the country.

You do not notice them when you are driving around.

They are high up on telephone poles, and there are license plate readers that look down

and constantly are getting license plate information.

Now, here in California, a little bit of a state, license plate readers have been very

lightly dispatched, and the use of license plate readers has been heavily curtailed to the

California highway patrol.

They are basically not really able to use license plate readers for the purposes of enforcing

this law.

They can't even look back beyond that.

They only can look back 90 days unless there's like a murder they're investigating.

So they're not using it for this purpose.

However, in the Republican states, which are super blue lives matter, let's enforce

the law, there has been a much different deployment of license plate readers.

And the result of that is that these states do have the ability to pretty easily figure

out if you have been operating your car in the state for 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, or

many years.

Now, I looked up the law in a few states.

California law is the same.

They don't care who owns the car.

Montana person, Florida person, if you're in the car in the state with the car for 30 days,

you have to register it in the state.

That's the law.

Utah has an amazing law.

They start tying it to insurance.

And I think this is the real key to the whole thing because Utah has figured out nobody's

going to play the game with insurance.

Everybody does is they get us a cheap liability policy in Montana.

And then they get a full insurance policy in the state where they actually operate the

car because you have to, if you get an accident, the Utah's law is, hey, if you ensure the

car in Utah, you have to register in Utah.

That will put a stop to the Montana thing completely if you get pulled over.

Now, I will say, I looked this up.

There are some states that do not tie the operation of the car to registration.

Louisiana, a guy Louisiana arrested for doing this with an RV, which is also a popular

Montana thing because they're so expensive.

Took him to court and the court sided with him.

The Louisiana law said that if an owner has the car, then he asked a registered and he

was like, well, I'm not the owner of the Montana.

And the court actually said with him and he didn't have to pay his fees.

Louisiana law and there are probably other states that law is vague about this and you

could get away with it.

But that's not true in California.

It's not true in Tennessee.

It's not true in Utah.

I have a friend of Massachusetts who got his car and pounded it, really running Montana

plates.

And they pounded the car until he registered in Massachusetts.

And you cannot get away anymore with the days of license plate readers.

And I think that Whistland diesel and I love him dearly.

He is my everything.

I mean this.

I love it.

He's my favorite YouTuber.

I think this is kind of the beginning of the end for the Montana situation.

He's an example.

I think they are trying to make an example of him.

And the fact that Tennessee is cracking down, everybody's like, oh, California is cracking

down.

Liberals, they want to get everything, but governments in your pocket.

Well, Tennessee, Georgia had a big thing a couple of years ago where they arrested.

These states want their money.

They don't care if it's Republicans.

They want their money.

And I think that this is going to be the beginning of the end of the Montana thing is license

plate readers.

And the state's actually trying to go after it.

Now, I will say the thing that makes me sad about this is that there are legitimate reasons

to do Montana.

California's small laws are actually stupid, like my G-Wagon, which we spent 10 months

and $10,000 in order to get a California compliant, just to prove to the state of California

that it has the very same engine that it had in Europe that it had in the US.

We still had to spend a year and $10,000.

I think it's totally reasonable to run Montana plates so you can avoid smog when you're

not actually polluting anymore.

And guess what?

After all those 10 months in the state lab, they discovered, oh, it has the same emissions

profile.

It's stupid.

It's silly.

Those kind of things.

If you want to have your stanced LS400 in New Jersey and you don't want to go to state

inspection, well, I'm here for you.

Maybe there's a reason I'm here for you.

No, we let those people fly their LS400 flag.

And the thing that annoys me is that for all of you who are out there doing, you know,

when I see a hurricane on Montana's, I'm like, what a loser.

When I see a right hand drive Delica on a South Dakota plate, give him a little nod and

you move on.

Montana, though, for all of us who have done it to avoid smog, we don't care about

the taxes, to avoid smog, to avoid inspection.

It has been ruined by people, rich people who didn't want to pay sales tax on their

McLaren.

Yep.

And that has come and has got you.

And if you're out here driving one of these cars that is doing Montana's because you,

you know, have to get away from the inspection people, the right hand drive thing.

You should be annoyed that these people with their hurricanes and with their McLaren's

have gone out and tried to avoid taxes.

Now, I want to make two other quick points here.

The biggest argument I see about Montana online when it comes up, well, all the U-Halls

are registered in Arizona.

Huh, how do they get away with it?

U-Halls and commercial trucks are governed under something called the International

Registration Plan, which gives a portion to license plates to commercial vehicles.

This allows commercial vehicles unrelated to month supercars to pay state taxes based

on the miles they drive within each state.

This was created decades ago, back in the day, trucks operating over the road used to have

five license plates on them for the states they went to.

That was decided to be stupid.

So now you register in one state, but you pay taxes to all the states.

That's how it's done.

It's a commercial truck thing.

It's totally unrelated.

It has nothing to do with this.

And I was on Reddit and I saw some guy got 500 upvotes being like, well, U-Halls does

it.

So why can't Whistlin?

It's not the same.

U-Hall has a, there is a specific law, a reciprocity agreement between all states that covers

U-Halls.

I also want to make the point, the other big argument I see when people get into this

whole thing.

Oh, well, fine, you're supposed to pay the sales tax, but they're going to use it stupidly

and you shouldn't pay sales tax on a used good.

Change the law.

This is a democracy.

Change the law.

You know why you haven't changed the law yet?

Because there's not a lot of empathy out there for people who get in and say, I can't

believe they're charging these sales tax on a used $300,000 for Ari.

That's why the law hasn't been changed yet because most people actually agree with

the law.

They want to use the roads and have police and fire departments and there was no sympathy

for people.

Oh, they're not going to use the money right.

Well, then get the law changed.

There is no political will to change the law because the law is correct as it is written.

No matter how much you don't want to pay sales tax because you can barely afford your

hurricane.

I will say one thing in Whistlin Diesel's defense, I think it's wild.

He got arrested.

Any other state, every other state I've heard deal with this, it's a letter in the mail.

We know you're avoiding sales tax.

You got 30 days to pay up, make it right.

To go and arrest a person.

I mean, I know they're trying to make an example, it's stupid.

It's just silly.

They wouldn't have done it for any other person other than him.

Everybody else, you get a letter, here's your tax burden, we know you're lying.

If you want to challenge it, you can do this and they can arrest it.

It's silly.

It's an idiotic thing to do.

I hope it benefits him greatly.

I hope that he's able to make a good video based on the arrest.

I think it has, just based on what he's posting, I think it's actually been a good thing

for him.

So there's my Montana plate rant.

I wanted to cover all of the arguments, all my thoughts on Montana thing.

It's sketch.

I know a California collector who had a really DMV sent him a letter.

He paid the tax after, but they got it in a ton of trouble recently.

My Massachusetts friend, the Utah thing, this is going away.

The license plate readers is going to put this away and I'm going to be able to do this

anymore.

I like my car is registered in California.

I don't have to think about it.

Obviously, all of mine are.

What do you think about it?

My full $25,000 vehicle value is all here.

Now that I really appreciate legitimately that 11-minute rundown of, I do think it's

important.

I do support all of these arguments online by people who think they know better.

And the simple truth is, there's a lot more to this than you realize.

And there's no reason why the states don't want to go after their money.

Right.

And they have a lot of incentive to do it.

I am surprised.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised by the example that they've tried to create here in

Wisconsin.

I, there's also some question in my mind of whether there's additional charges at the

state.

It seemed a lot of money in bail for this.

Two million.

I don't know.

It was reported as both $2,200,000 now in some states, you can put up 10% bail to get

out.

So I'm not sure which was the correct one.

It still seems like a lot considering the probably their assessment of his sales tax

evasion is $20,000.

Yes.

Seven percent of the value.

If you pay attention to his videos, he's got all these charges.

Yeah.

British and Montana.

There's probably a six-figure balance due there.

But I wouldn't be shocked better to say if there's another shoe that drops on some of

those, but nevertheless, quite a big show for us for a tax evasion issue.

Yeah.

It is.

It's kind of silly, to be honest.

And I feel bad for a co, I mean, he doesn't care, probably.

Like he loves it.

This is a channel he bailed out in two hours.

It's no big deal.

He's going to write the tax, the thing and whatever.

But I do think it's a bit of a silly thing to do.

But I also think like this is kind of the beginning of this Montana thing.

If you're still doing this, you're looking at him.

You got to rest it.

I have personal stories, a lot of people have personal stories.

These states know what's going on and this is not going to contain the last.

Do we know anybody who's doing Montana anymore?

Just Nick.

But he's not.

He stopped.

The multiple.

Another good example of a car that is done Montana because the small regulation is ridiculous.

It's going to do a thousand miles a year in that car.

He's, you know, sales tax on the car would be a hundred bucks.

Right.

Exactly.

When she'd happen with that.

But now he's getting screwed because all the high profile people have gone out there

and made a big thing of it stealing money from these states.

And so now nobody can do it.

Let me put it as a drive it around.

We know some people.

I have some acquaintances.

Some acquaintances.

We've all of us have dabbled in it.

I've never dabbled.

Never.

There was there were thoughts on all of our mives that we would at some point.

I've literally never considered it.

I talked about but like it didn't end up being a thing.

And now I'm not doing anymore.

This is clear.

I'm not getting arrested.

They're not for that car.

It's also just not worth it.

Yeah.

You know, it really, it really is.

If you can afford the car, pay the tax or so many states allow loopholes.

Like, oh, right, the amount on the bill is sale.

Like, take advantage of that.

I'm sure Tennessee.

You know, Tennessee is not out there checking.

Don't.

Just stay.

Stay guided.

Follow the state's guidelines and rules.

What if they have lacks rules around the bill?

All right.

Let me see a beat of sweat.

Move it off.

You get my point back.

That is in all honesty.

That is another thing.

I look at these singers and I'm astonished.

These guys are driving around in what is titled as a 1989 Porsche 911.

That is a $23,000 car to your state tax authority.

And they're still driving around town of plates.

Like, what are you thinking?

Just get the damn car titled?

What is wrong with you?

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Move it on to more drama.

This is great.

More drama.

You can follow in this.

Oh, absolutely, I love this.

The Hamilton Collection Fellow, Steve, I think his name.

He came out and he's accused the Conexig Fellow.

Christian.

Christian Vaughn of making an unreliable car.

I don't want to say any more on the topic.

I think my thoughts have been out there.

I sure have.

I think you got two interesting characters going at it here.

It's fascinating to see a very wealthy man with kwetta collection

call out an automaker, then have the CEO

and founder of that automaker, then respond via Instagram

reels to it.

It's like, what is happening?

Back in the day, Frucia Lamborghini criticised ends of Ferrari

for his, I think it was clutches in the cars.

And then what happened was a spiked company.

I don't think that's exactly what happened here.

It's coming.

I do want to make a point here.

Hamilton was complaining because the Conexig

that he currently has has been unreliable.

And Christian came out and said, well,

the car had had deferred maintenance

and you drove it before we could do work on it.

And also, you have another, if you hate it so much,

why you have another one coming.

I will say two things.

One, everyone I know who has Conexig

has problems with them.

Whether or not they are willing to admit that is interesting.

I noticed some people in some of the comments

sections being like, we love the car Conexig.

People are afraid of not getting other ones.

They're not getting more allocations.

I know people who are proud.

With that said, the coolest thing about this company,

and you're surprised to see him respond on Instagram reels.

Not surprised, it's interesting.

The coolest thing about this company is that the guy is here.

Imagine if you could have bought a Ferrari from Enzo.

Imagine if you could have bought a Lamborghini from Fruccio.

If you buy a Bugatti, you were buying

from a large multinational conglomerate.

Oh, and buy Bugatti again.

Yeah.

And they take you to the factory in that house,

and they give you a nice meal,

and they just say all these things,

but like the man's name's on the car.

You're buying from Enzo.

I mean, that's right.

That's happening.

And so like the cars are trouble,

but they're also the highest echelon of insane.

Well, and you kind of expect trouble.

Yes, I mean, famously the cars push the envelope

of automotive engineering and creative new ideas,

and it's all kind of experimental.

I mean, it's tough and stuff, but it is largely,

I mean, that's why people are attracted to the cars,

and that's why they produce the horsepower figures

they can on all those things.

So it's like, I agree.

I think it's kind of power for the course.

Like, what did you expect?

This is a company in Sweden making super cars.

It isn't making all the individual parts, right?

And the guy is here.

Right.

It's a critique thing.

Imagine if we could about a 250 p.f. from Enzo

at the factory in the day.

Well, they think market doesn't like the pf.

Yes, I agree.

That you would have put up with more temperamental BS

if you could have shaken the guy's hand.

Yes.

Because you feel like you're buying not just a car,

like a Bugatti, but you're buying like this experience,

like this, you're in the period with the man.

In 100 years, when he's dead,

and Konigseg has become what Ferrari is,

a company that has been radically

disguised up by private equity that makes an SUV,

there will be people who talk about how they shook Christian's hand

and used to own him in the days when it wasn't so easy.

You should Christian's hand.

You should know better.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

I agree with that.

I just think it is wild to live in a world

where the guy whose name is on the car

is calling out a customer.

And that's the cool thing.

It is incredible.

To me, that's the cool thing about your Horatio.

Like, that's, to me, that Horatio's translator to be clear.

That is 40% of, in my mind,

what makes Pagani and Konigseg cool

is that you can shake the man's hand.

And honestly, he wants to.

Like, he wants to meet his customers

and talk to them and have these experiences with him.

And Ferrari, have you talked to your dealer?

Well, or they'll see you.

Or they'll see you.

Like, he would have gone up here from Ferrari.

Right, if he had done this about Ferrari,

oh my God, season to say.

Yeah, it would have gotten a season to say to the frame,

like everybody has ever said anything bad about the company.

Totally.

But here, you're taught.

I just, to me, I wouldn't,

I don't know that I would buy a Konigseg,

I don't know if I would want to put up with it.

The people who do put up with it are also putting up

with a test bed of experimental

at the very cutting edge of insane technology

and customer service from the guy.

It's so cool.

That's part of what you're able to say.

Yeah, I'm with it.

I don't necessarily think either of them are wrong.

As a result, right.

Hamilton's got a legitimate problem.

The car's troublesome.

However, Christian's saying,

oh, well, the cars are troublesome,

but like, here we are.

Yeah.

This isn't Ferrari.

This isn't Toyota.

You're obviously spending an incredible amount of money

to get a product.

And you want that product to work and to get the service.

But also, yeah, you're buying that car

because you want the ultimate.

You want the pinnacle.

And having the,

part of having the experience is reliable.

Yeah.

The reliability may be a little bit difficult

because and also like the experience of

being direct line with the factory

that kind of stuff,

which you can never get from the other automaton.

I'm just looking forward to the day

when Horacio Pugani's trans later yells at somebody else.

And or Gordon Murray yells at somebody

through Instagram,

see, I'm looking forward to that.

All right.

There's a lot more news starting with the next news story,

which honestly is even more controversial

than the other two.

Listen, we've beat up Honda on this podcast

and I feel bad because the past four is an okay car.

I just make fun of it.

This is a travesty.

Okay.

This is the Honda Prelude.

The Prelude is back.

Can I?

That's familiar, yeah.

It is a front wheel drive 200 horsepower hybrid

for cylinder.

More than Matt.

It is it is entirely based on the civic hybrid.

That's correct.

Same power trend.

Great car.

$30,000 phenomenal car.

Great fuel economy.

Fun to drive by those standards.

More torque than a civic SI.

Yeah, where you headed with that?

Well, how much is the Prelude, Doug?

Okay, so the Civic is 30 grand.

Honda has come out the Prelude with destination $43,195

for a front wheel drive civic hybrid

wearing a dress which admittedly is but it's a but it's a nice

car.

The new Nissan Z as a comparison point which by the way has a

400 horsepower V6, that's double for those of you who have a

if you don't have access to calculator, I'm just going to tell

you it's right.

Starts at $44,000.

That's the same.

A base Mustang is less.

A two series.

Two series less.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow, that is nuts.

Who are they thinking?

This is $13,000 more expensive than the Honda Civic on which it's

based.

This is one of the single worst strategy and then they're going

to go, well, we came back, the Prelude came back, no one bought

it.

Enthusiast said they wanted it and we brought it back.

Yep, we didn't want this.

Yep.

Are you astonished by that?

Let me think about it.

Okay.

They're a justification.

It's probably.

It is a more premium experience.

Yeah.

The tier is a little bit nicer.

Yeah.

It also has more style.

It's more than $13,000.

Yeah.

But it ain't.

So much rather have a Z than this.

So much.

Not even close.

You would expect it to be three to five grand more than the Civic, I think.

Like a coupe.

Yeah.

A little more expensive than the sedan version.

Yeah.

I could, especially with a little bit nicer.

13,000.

$13,000.

A Z.

That's 40% more than $13,000.

Think about in the 90s, if you could have gone to the dealer and bought the Pryloot, the 97

Pryloot, which is a beloved car or a 300 ZX twin turbo.

Right.

I love the Pryloot, dearly.

Why are they coming to take the Pryloot?

The ZX.

The dog just loves the Pryloot.

It is a transit.

I did love that 97 Pryloot.

Types are just a heroic car.

It's a shame that this is the.

But yeah, that's a shame that this is where that lineage has ended up.

That's just sad.

How did they get to that price?

How did they get to the number?

I don't know.

Why would they think the market has any possible?

What's going to happen?

I mean, it can't last for one than a year or two.

Unless they are positioning it against the 230i, which is a reasonable, like, provision for

an Acura.

Yeah.

If it was an Acura with another 50 horsepower.

But like a Tiger Coupe.

Okay.

Part of it.

The Honda's proposition in general, in Acuras, is that it's a better value compared to rivals.

Like the ADX, which is kind of a mediocre car, but compared to the Q3 and the JLA, it offers

more features less money.

Yeah.

It offers less features for more money and it doesn't have a badge.

Right.

It's a Honda.

And it's, it's not like they're not, they didn't go retro with the styling.

It doesn't look like it'll prelude.

Like it's not going to pull those heartstrings.

Yeah.

What's the point?

I'm starting the decision.

I, I, I, I'm true.

I've been trying to make sense of it.

They announced this maybe a few days ago.

I've been trying, I'm honestly trying to make sense of it.

I truly can't.

You're right.

They're going to say it's a more premium experience.

It's a more special car to pray.

It's more beautiful.

It's a suspension.

All that's true.

Pricing it more than a Mustang and at the same level as a Z, are they, are they joke?

I'm like, what's the, yeah.

What happened?

I do want to correct something I said.

It apparently shares suspension components with the Type R, which is a 40.

It better be the NSX Type R.

The Type R has a $45,000 MSRP.

I'm, and you're paying that much.

I'll spend much of $43 grand for Type R.

Even Filippo would spend the extra money to go up to the Type R.

Well, yeah.

What an honest question.

What is the Civic SI and these parts off the Honda Parts counter at a dealership cost?

Good question.

Modern culture.

Also, a Civic SI has 32 grand.

Civic SI is 32.

Yeah.

No, but this is more torque.

But still.

What?

I don't know.

It's this kind of.

What is it?

What is a GR Corolla?

What is a GR Corolla cost?

More.

But is it more?

Uh, no.

A Corus 386.

386.

Oh my god.

5 grand more than a GR Corolla, which, by the way, has 100 more horsepower, right?

Isn't GR Corolla 300 horsepower?

I'm sorry.

I should say that was 225.

226 starts $39.99.

Still.

Regardless.

Tell me though.

Isn't a GR Corolla 300 horsepower car with a hatchback?

Yep.

And probably at least the same level of suspension parts, because it's like the ultimate car.

And all the drive.

Well, and a complimentary one-year membership to the National Autosport Association.

Really?

That's a value.

Dude.

So ultimately, this car is going to go into production.

It will be a failure after two years.

In the meantime, you should buy the Corolla or the Z.

I'm going to go back on something I said earlier.

If you buy one of these, you should absolutely do the Montana plate thing.

Because you need to save every penny you can after wasting tens of thousands of dollars

on the price of this car.

I'm excited for Honda to have a product that dealers struggle to sell.

Those dealers have an experience in a while.

It is so interesting.

The Honda has this bizarre Corp 6, right?

That they just sell a hell out of it.

And they're amazing.

All.

Every one of those cars is either a segment leader or a second best.

It would be the pilot.

All great.

And then they just struggle to figure out how to iterate on that.

And this is not that.

This is honestly, I think, one of the worst value propositions in the car world today.

I'm going to say I won't be getting a press car.

So if you buy one of these and you won't,

bring it on down here.

Well, I can reveal a lot of dealers.

I'll do one two years.

I'll do a dealer review of a 25.

I left over 25.

And by the way, there will only be 25.

So we talked a month ago about how in Japan they have a bunch of pre-orders.

But they're from an older population.

I don't even think they're going to get that here.

I don't want to know how they will.

Old people, look at this.

It's too low.

Not appealing.

Next news story.

Okay.

This is my single favorite news story of the year.

Why?

I think.

All right.

Are you familiar with the Nissan Rogue?

Yes.

Very famous vehicle.

Sure.

It's a Nissan compact SUV.

It sells 250,000-ish a year.

So a lot of them.

There is a car that's based on the Nissan Rogue.

And has been as it came out, which is the Mitsubishi Outlander.

Yeah.

It's a plug-and-hybrid vehicle.

Or available to plug-and-hybrid.

And it's based on the Rogue.

But they re-styled it.

They have some new sheet metal that has a slightly different interior.

Okay.

Right.

And there is now a new Nissan, which is the Rogue plug-and-hybrid,

which is that, which is identical to a Mitsubishi Outlander.

So Mitsubishi years ago when the degeneration Rogue came out,

did a small, like, re-styled badge-engineered car.

Nissan has now stolen that entire design, literally the entire design,

except for, like, the badge and the front grille.

How stolen is stolen?

They're the same.

They're reusing that exact design for their car.

So they have a Rogue and then a Rogue hybrid that looks different,

but looks identical to a car sold by a different manufacturer.

Okay.

I am going to hit you.

But it has slightly worse specs because Outlander has a 2026 facelift

that included a bigger battery that the Rogue is not getting apparently.

I am going to hit you.

Makes no sense.

I'm going to hit you with a trivia question that I think is going to be really hard.

So they're going to sell a Rogue that is totally different, one car.

And there's a Rogue version that is a completely different car based on another car.

Yes.

So two cars in the same, they're basically the same sentence, but correct.

Can you name another auto maker who did this?

And I'll give you a hint.

Not only did they do it, but both cars were both is the same car,

rebadge different body styles, different rebadge models, completely different cars.

But they share the name.

Yeah.

Yes.

Somewhere in my head.

One second.

Let's keep going.

I'll get there.

The Sion IA.

Yes.

Because the hashback was a Mazda 2 hashback.

But the sedan was the Yaris.

Was the Yaris.

So this has precedent.

I was thinking about that car a lot of the last two weeks.

That's in Japan.

I was legitimately thinking about the Sion IA and the Mazda 2.

You should have been focused on the culture.

I was.

The Sion IA hashback was the Mazda 2.

And it was such a better vehicle.

Now, answer me this.

Is this still on sale?

This is still on sale.

New is a Mitsubishi.

There's a 2026 facelift to the Mitsubishi that includes improvements

that the Rogue is apparently not getting.

Well, they got to have something.

I mean, this is Mitsubishi's only successful car.

I will say, in Nissan's defense, they sell 250,000 Rogue's.

Yeah.

Mitsubishi sells about 10,000 Islanders.

Nobody knows the Islander exists.

And Nissan.

And the market doesn't know it exists.

Nissan owns Mitsubishi, yeah.

They own a large portion.

So they're trying to do this to expand their footprint.

And they need a hybrid.

They're used to be a Rogue Hybrid.

The current generation has not had one though.

Right.

It's important for the market.

A plug-in specifically is important for the market.

There are some countries, especially Northern Europe,

where plug-ins are big deal.

But the Mitsubishi is popular.

It's popular.

You go to Netherlands and you go to Denmark

and you actually see these plug-in islands.

There's not a lot of plug-in that little less.

So outside of the US, in Japan and I think in some other markets,

Nissan does have a hybrid powertrain.

That's actually a electric vehicle with a generator, basically.

They call it e-power.

It's like a scout style.

There's a generator that powers the battery,

but it's not like a traditional plug-in hybrid.

I think they might sell the Quashquire or whatever

with something similar in some markets.

This is just the US market.

Just the US market.

Is it Canada?

Canada doesn't exist.

Canada, too.

Canada doesn't exist.

Who knows?

They wouldn't know if they were missing it.

There is reality that nobody but us will know this is happening.

It is wild.

Nobody knows the Mitsubishi.

Instead, hey, we're going to do a plug-in hybrid.

Oh, you're going to do a different powertrain?

No, no.

We're going to re-badge the completely different car.

But call it the same car that we already said.

Why couldn't they just put...

It's the same platform.

Surely they could have just put the rogue body on top of it.

No.

It's much more complicated than that.

Yeah, but like...

This is...

Should it be...

Putting the rogue...

You're like living in the world of 30s hot-rotters.

All they had to do here...

All they had to do here was change the front grill.

Nissan...

Nissan 8.0 is a compelling product.

It is.

I agree.

It wasn't made by Mitsubishi.

And now...

It isn't.

Unfortunately, it's made by Nissan,

which is only marginal.

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Also, no 10-year warranty.

Oh, really?

A Jeep with no doors.

All right.

This is a Jeep Recon.

Yeah, I did it.

This Jeep's all electric new car.

It was just a reveal to the LA Auto Show.

They've been talking about it forever.

Yeah.

It has, you'll be excited about this cannon.

635 horsepower or something there about.

Dang.

I had that before.

No doors.

Sorry, 650 horsepower,

625 feet of torque.

It is their first trail-rated electric car.

Oh, is that so?

Yeah.

Wow.

So trail-rated cars include the renegade.

I feel a little bit the compass.

Oh, wait a minute.

For a little bit of hatred.

Wait a second.

I'm a patriot.

It's not my Wagonier S.

Not trail-rated.

Onto trails.

But not the Moab Trail.

You know why the Wagonier S is trail-rated?

Because it's not reliable enough to drive.

It's not that it's a clearance problem.

There were it before as far as,

because they've all been out of some issues.

This is trail-rated.

The podcast is way off the rails.

We're early folks.

This is trail-rated.

Are you curious about how much it costs?

What does it cost?

What?

35K starting.

And I don't...

And it has 250 miles of range.

You know, I got to tell you, though.

Do not quit.

I got to tell you that.

Not a lot.

It's a pretty compelling car.

Look at it.

It's cool as hell.

No, it's really cool.

The Wagonier S is also 65.

It's the same price.

And there is no...

Yeah, no one's ever paid it.

Exactly.

It's the least compelling car.

This...

Look at it.

That's cool.

No, it is incredibly cool.

I just...

Who is buying an off-roady V?

Who's buying ribbons?

A lot of people.

I have to say...

A ribion has 330 to 400 miles of range.

Well, okay, there's a...

It's a 250.

It's a pretty safe price.

But what is a ribbons?

$85,000.

This is a bargain at 60 plus whatever at least you can get.

These are going to be $299 a month and...

Well, I'm glad that the Jeep has gone on a product defense.

So the last four months, they reveal four new or facelifted vehicles.

They call it four by four.

There's one of them, some sort of update to the Grand Wagonier.

It is.

And the three by four.

Another one is an update.

Close to the Grand Cherokee, which is...

Two by four.

Two by fours.

The new Cherokee, which is also the hybrid.

This is cool.

It looks cool.

The rear end looks very FJ cruiser to me.

Yeah.

Doors come off.

It's got a lot of cool little tricks, too.

I'm excited to have a cool one.

I'll be cool.

It looks good.

It's boxy.

I'll tell you.

It looks great.

Compared to the Wagonier S.

This is like a compelling product.

I think it's too expensive.

I think the range number is too low.

However, performance figure looks great.

And it looks really capable.

And it just looks cool.

And the rear windows come out somehow.

That's awesome.

In this picture, Anne and other press data.

It looks like the best thing from five rear three quarters.

Now, those go down.

These come out.

You remember when the Bronco debuted

and they had the front doors had holes in them?

Yeah.

What the hell happened to that?

But I do the gentleman wonder how large the market is

for a 650 horsepower off-road-focused 250 mile range EV.

But hopefully it's something.

You're not wrong, but I would argue

that the people who are buying this aren't actually going to go off-road.

So what's the market for an electric four-runner?

Not zero.

That's a good point.

There's people who want to look cool and drive around.

This is a California thing.

A West Coast thing.

Colorado.

EVs have been heavily adopted in California, Oregon.

True.

Colorado where this is going to sell.

It looks incredibly cool.

I'm excited for you to have a press car because I want to

poke around it.

It's cool.

I think the thing with EVs is because it's so easy to make the power.

Why wouldn't you?

Yeah, I know the point.

It's great.

It just should have that kind of power because it's so.

Yeah, we'll tell that to Honda.

Well, you know, Honda...

I can't do it.

I can't do any more Honda bashing and feel bad at this point.

Toyota's EV is the real issue.

Okay, go to our next new story.

Ah, yes, this.

Ah, yes.

Is this out?

Oh my God.

Are we breaking an embargo here?

I wonder if they're out there.

You had a review that went out two days ago.

Oh, okay.

I guess we're good.

The review actually went out this morning as we're filming this.

So that's why I'm nervous.

Embargos are scary.

You break an embargo.

They say you can never...

You can never review this product again.

And I say, is that a promise?

No, I'm not saying that about this car, which I actually like.

This is the new kind of electric, which is really cool.

The top version...

I don't remember the figures.

But the top version has a million horsepower.

It's like 1160 with that boost thing.

It's complicated.

There's actually three different horsepower ratings for it.

I just watched your video.

Yeah, was it good?

Did you like it?

I only watched half this so far.

I'll watch your escalator.

You have like 800 horsepower on tap.

But then you could press a boost button and get like another 100.

But then if you go into launch mode, you get like a full 1160.

1160, which is just...

God.

The 0 to 60 in 1.9.

It's not the actual version.

It's something like that.

And it's incredibly cool.

They're calling it the fastest SUV.

Just a quarter mile sub 10.

Incredible.

This is the first car where I can think of Porsche going big on the horsepower game.

Yeah.

The Cone EV.

The Cone EV is sort of...

The Cone EV turbo is like 500-something.

It's quick.

All fast portions are fast.

But the first time I can think of them going like...

Right.

Ignoring the sports cars that they have made for generations, like the 90s.

Well, no.

Even like a 911 turbo compared to the most powerful...

It's less horsepower than a Challenger.

We were talking about this last time.

I mean, the 296 has 830 horsepower.

And the 911 turbo, despite being about as fast, is still sits back at like 650 or 600.

Right.

So they paired to the other car makers that go big on horsepower.

Yeah.

Dodge.

I guess I guess it's whatever.

Like this.

This is the first time they've like kept up with it.

I think they were sick of getting beat in drag.

Jason Camisa's drag race is by Rivians.

I'm serious.

I honestly bet they're sitting there being like,

why do we not...

We're Porsche.

Why do we not have the fastest car in the drag race?

Like we're being embarrassed by this blocky SUV that's built in Illinois.

Right.

Like, come on.

Or the lucid gravity, which has 117 horsepower.

And it doesn't want to be faster.

Yeah.

Right.

And so they came out with this.

I will say, there are a lot of compelling things about this car.

Price is not one of them.

It's very expensive.

Very.

Obviously the EV market is turning a little bit.

It's a longer car almost entirely for China.

I think Porsche is desperately trying to still make inroads in China

where Porsche is not considered as premium.

The Chinese automakers have a big leg up against a lot of foreign competition.

However, there's a lot of cool things.

You saw the inductive charging?

Yeah.

That is...

That I am so confused by.

Because I just don't understand how it works.

Like, you're pulling in the car and there's a pad that you charge.

I know the speedtiles like this too.

But this only car is the V that's high off the ground.

How does that pad...

How does energy from that pad make it into the car?

They say it only gets up to 120 degrees.

So that's like a hot day in Phoenix.

It's not going to kill you if you touch it.

Or just July through September.

Yeah.

That's a day in Phoenix.

They say that if any motion is detected on the thing and instantly stops charging

so it won't like zap you.

You can leave it outside.

You can step on it.

You can kick it.

You can drive over it.

I saw it.

I was there.

They literally...

With me in the car.

I mean, they wouldn't let me do it in driving, too.

But I needed a film.

But with me in the car, they pulled right on to it and started charging.

Does it think the same sound I hear?

No, because outside, you know, the sound wouldn't help because you're in the car.

Inside, it's like a video game.

There's like a circle and a receiving circle.

And you are positioning the car in the receiving circle.

And then when you get it there, it goes green.

And you're like,

Woo!

It's incredible technology.

Did you not get to that out of the video?

It's really cool because the curved screen, you can move...

There's like the upper part, the lower part of the screen.

The lower part has like all the controls, but you can push that away.

And just have a giant curved screen of like your map.

So it's like the scene in Inception.

We're like the world that curves upwards.

That's what it feels like.

Wow, great difference.

I see some estimates for range.

Did they say they told me...

You know, it's an interesting situation with Volkswagen Group and Range.

Yeah.

An electric vehicle.

They told me that they have been able to get it to 350 miles.

I think they said...

I said it in the video.

Yeah.

They've been able to get it to 350 miles.

For what we've all learned is...

What you can do and what the EPA will rate a car at are different things.

Yes.

And so they weren't willing to even speculate on what their EPA rate is going to be.

I assume somewhere in the 350s.

For the big one.

For the turbo.

I assume we're like...

All right, that's still not horrible.

It's horrible for 1,100 horsepower.

Well, the base one has 435 horsepower.

But still does it have 60 and 4 snowing.

It's probably the best able to deploy power of I think any manufacturer.

It is.

I will say one thing.

The gas one, which Porsche told me in this thing,

is going to continue for at least 10 more years.

They're going to redesign it out.

They didn't outright say it.

But they heavily implied that the gas one will eventually join the electric one looking like this.

But I think they wanted the EV to come out first with all the new look and the new technology.

The gas one looks better.

This car...

I'm just interested.

I don't think this car looks aggressive enough.

I think there's a little bit too much Ford escape in it.

It's a little too round, a little too...

I don't think it looks like the gas car looks like it's going to...

Even the current...

Gas one?

Yeah.

I find the current redesign phase of whatever...

Grills too big.

Not pretty.

I agree.

But it looks more aggressive.

This looks a little too generic in my opinion.

It is interesting, though, what lengths they're willing to go to for range and that kind of thing.

And I suspect the style...

Like the active fins or whatever.

There's a fin that pops out in the back at a certain speed.

And they said that that individual feature gives them 15 more miles of range.

Wow.

It's impressive.

I mean, it's exciting to see Porsche come out with a...

The Tycoon was competitive as when it came out.

Yeah.

Different era.

The updated one is good, but like...

Kind of data.

It's incredible to see them come out with something new and good.

And that's clearly...

They understand the current range matters a ton.

I mean, it's a huge seller.

So...

It's a big deal.

Empower.

It's a real big deal.

This is a big deal car.

Macon was a big deal.

Whatever they do, the box was a big deal.

But Cyan, this is a big deal car.

They want to screw it up.

They've done a great job.

It's a really compelling car.

It's a really, really competing car.

You didn't get to drive it yet, right?

Haven't driven it yet, but I imagine.

They said, I think, next...

Sometime next year comes out.

So...

It's only been doing hill climbs for three years, but...

Well, people have driven, like, camoed ones...

I want to drive a production car.

All right.

Move on to our next news story.

Next three.

Tell us about this car.

This is an SVT, actually.

Well, is it an SVT?

Oh, yeah.

From the...

I love the first generation focus.

And I owned the...

The US Third Generation focus.

Russell World Fourth.

You did?

The last focus just rolled off...

Oh, it's that.

The assembly line.

Of course.

We haven't had the focus in the United States since what...

Two years.

Yeah, no, a little longer than that.

No, a little longer than that.

Stop at it.

Top in 18, 2019.

A few years, but the last focus...

It's interesting, because the Fiesta has also been cancelled.

You know, the Fiesta was being made in Cologne.

The...

The focus was also being made in Germany.

They were both gone.

You know what's being made in the Fiesta's plant now?

What?

I don't know.

Look at this one.

The Explorer EV.

You know what?

The one that's for Europe.

And the Puma.

Or whatever it is.

Puma.

Little Puma, which is the total product.

This isn't surprising.

Right.

Ford said very publicly years ago

that they were going to stop all non-SUV non-sports cars.

It's crazy to see...

It happened in the US before in Europe, which I found.

It's pretty surprising in Europe.

Have you been to Europe recently?

This is Europe, though.

Have you been there recently, though?

I was...

I was in Europe last year.

And you still see a lot of little cars.

But you see so many little SUVs.

You do.

But it's...

It's wild to me that, like, we're in an era where even Europe

is done with hatchbacks.

Europe used to be hatchback.

I know what it was.

I loved it for it.

That was one of the things about Europe.

You'd go to Europe and some Americans would come home and say,

we saw the Eiffel Tower, and we ate French bread, and we saw...

There's all these little cars there.

I still think of that.

When I go to Europe, I rent.

You will rent.

I totally rent a small hatchback.

To be honest, more.

To be honest, I'm glad I didn't listen to you,

but I understand why you recommended it.

You hit your buy.

But you literally won't anymore.

They're going away.

This is, like, it's coming to an end.

I love that focus.

I never got to drive a final generation focus

wasn't sold in the US.

I did never have another rental car.

Nobody I know had the money for a focus.

Not a joke.

They're so good.

Yeah.

Do you remember what I was saying?

Were you two young?

Of course I remember.

Also, my uncle had a series of Ford station wagons for years.

They would get like a one-year-old one every few years.

A focus wagon for years.

Till they went to the Corolla oris hybrid as station wagon thing.

This car...

Because the focus was perfect.

Yeah.

From an unbelievable...

I can't believe cars are gone.

Perspective.

It's a big, it's a big news story.

But also, the focus was...

It's hard to explain just how much of an impact it had in those early years.

I know.

It came out in 2000.

It's so good.

And this angled one with all the angles and the logo that had the angle.

The first world car.

It was a true world car sold globally and was successful in a lot of countries.

And the market has...

It's hard to imagine, but the market has moved on.

The Audi A8 is next.

Have the Tesla...

I've not...

I've never been as confident in Ford's decision to give it to them as Ford clearly has been.

I think it's a mistake still.

But...

Well, when you...

I will say, like, these segments where people have been pulling out of.

One of the things that I've realized is that the people who pull out are usually the fringe players to begin with.

So like the mid-size sedan, the Malibu left.

It was a popular car, but it was never a camera in a court.

This is a different thing.

Ford was never...

It's a real segment.

This was a real...

And so if Ford is making this decision, obviously they're willingly giving a lot of sales to rivals.

But their take on it is probably...

It's not gonna...

Five more years, the rivals will make money off this, and then they're gonna have to do this too.

I understand that in running a business, there's a lot of...

You have to make a decision based on your opinion.

Like, you were chosen as a leader of that company, Jim Farley, and whoever else he hired was chosen as the leaders, because they had some perspective, some opinion.

Sometimes...

I don't think this is opinion based.

I think there is an enormous amount of effort that went into this decision.

Certainly, but it comes down to some matter of perspective, and they made a call on it.

We'll see if there are.

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Yes, so speaking of cars are being discontinued and internal.

Oh, God.

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Oh my God.

This is the C63 that we're talking about.

So Mercedes Benz encirculated an internal memo announcing that they are going to be getting rid of.

The C43 AMG, the GLC43, and the GLA35, those were end production in February of 2026.

The C63 and GLC63 will last but only until May of 2026.

Now, this isn't a surprise because earlier on, we talked about the C63 has not been well received.

No.

Force on their car.

You did a review on it.

Everybody hates it.

Mercedes Benz has heard that, and they agree with it.

But the reason these are being phased out is interesting to me.

They're being phased out allegedly due to stricter noise regulations in Europe that's being enforced

by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe.

That's the reason they say, I suspect it's also that people don't want it.

I agree with that to an extent.

But the 43 cars sell pretty well.

This is interesting.

They're continuing to the 43s.

You see them every year?

I mean, the GLA35 is I think towards the end of its life cycle.

It is, but come on.

C43 and GLC43 have to do well.

We see those cars all over the place.

But these noise restrictions, you know, as difficult as it is to be a car enthusiast in some places,

you always remember reminded that it'd be harder in Europe.

It's harder in Europe, yeah.

Are they ending that just the C43 sells well?

And so does the GLC43, which is also a BMW 340 icon.

But they said that twice in the last 10 seconds.

I know.

But so much.

I agree with you.

But they say production will end in February of 2016.

Well, they're buying their new EU rules July 1 of 26.

Honestly, I don't, you see a lot of them that you also frequently get annoyed by just how loud they are.

So I'm okay with it.

You're annoyed by how loud C43s are.

You're more annoyed by BMW.

They're all I agree with.

They're all modified.

No way.

They're all 43s.

Because GLC43s are driven by people who went into the dealer, wanted a lease special.

And this was a slightly higher payment for 300 to 4.

Yeah, but a lot of people don't know that.

I know.

It is a surprise.

Pretty crazy.

It is a surprise, but I guess not.

The reason is a little bit more surprising than it actually happened.

We knew it was going to happen.

With at least for the season.

We are reporting on the death of icons here.

icons.

In this case, we're grateful moving on to the next news story.

All right.

I got this.

Do you see this?

I hope this video does well because this is a cool stamp thing ever seen in my life.

Hyundai is barking up the off-road SUV tree.

And if I know anything about the Koreans.

Sure.

And God, I've been to Korea.

So I consider myself an expert.

To do what?

You review the Kineera.

Yeah, I went to Korea for the launch of the Kineera.

But then I also spent a long time in Seoul.

And I really got the capital city.

I got the feel of the place.

I got the heartbeat of the place.

You know what?

It's called Seoul.

No.

The Seoul means capital.

And Korea.

That seems very Korean.

Anyway, this actually goes along with what I'm saying.

If I know the Koreans and I don't, but as an American, because I was there for one week, I feel

that I know.

No.

I don't make concept cars willy-nilly.

No.

They name their capital city capital.

And they're not out here.

They're not out here going crazy.

And I have a suspicion that this thing, the Hyundai Crater, which is up on my channel, is

a prelude.

And hopefully a better one than the one.

Nice call back.

Well, let's be a writer.

I am feeling this is a prelude to something that's coming.

And they won't confirm that.

Even though I pushed them on it a little.

But they announced recently that they're going to make a body on frame pickup truck.

Yeah.

This is an electric vehicle that is actually smaller and lengthen the Tucson.

It's a tiny little car.

But they see.

Hyundai is smart.

They sit here and watch Toyota take all these sales in Ford and Jeep.

And they're like, we did it with the Palisade.

And we went and took their market share.

And we did it with the Tucson.

And we went and took their market share.

The way you can do this.

Yeah.

And I think they can.

These things on like 33.

It looks really cool.

Was it a cool concept?

I don't, you haven't seen the video yet because it's not a lot.

No, no, yeah.

There is some features that you will really like, including there are four different modes

that you select on the windshield.

Oh, of course.

And one of them is a DJ mode where you, a song plays and you tap little buttons on the, in the interior

to insert like a drum beat.

Wow.

So you're driving?

No.

You're just driving and going like, no, no.

Look at the part.

First off, it's a damn concept car.

It doesn't drive.

You don't have to worry about regulations.

Yeah.

I remember when you had the, the build your dreams, whatever it was called here as a, as a press car.

I didn't have like a karaoke function.

That's cool.

Yeah.

Yo, yeah.

No, this is cooler than that.

It also, those lights on the roof, they light up as smiley faces.

Oh, awesome.

There's a lot to it.

And they, they, it's exciting.

And truthfully, I think it's exciting because I love reviewing concept cars and they're cool

and weird and quirky.

This one, I was especially excited to review because I just have a feeling this is previewing

something.

Yeah.

I remember they've, they've started going with this XRT line.

Yeah.

They're trying to get people thinking off-roady.

They're, they're going to do this.

I think you're right.

But something probably not that dissimilar, the one of what are they?

I do, I've always had a question about Hyundai and Kia, right?

They're cousin companies in a lot of ways.

They could have helped.

I view Kia because of the teleright styling as like the like off-roady, fun one.

Yeah.

Here's Hyundai doing this.

But it's cool.

It was designed in California.

Yeah.

So it, I agree with you.

But it's cool.

But it's interesting because I reviewed this and the week before I reviewed the teleright,

you should see how these Hyundai Kia people talk about each other.

Yeah.

They might as well be Toyota.

Oh, this has this better than the Hyundai and the Kia doesn't have this.

And it's like, aren't these cars co-developed like ultimately?

Like they've all played.

They've all played.

No, they've all played now.

Okay.

So cool.

Next news story.

There's still more news.

All right.

So our favorite taxi, this is Volvo EX90.

Volvo has for a long time gone all in on LiDAR as a way to kind of scan the road and then create.

So irritating.

Because it sets off your radar.

Constantly.

All right.

The EX90, especially has like a little hump in the top of the roof for the LiDAR sensor.

They've said in the last week that they're going to stop all LiDAR in their car starting in 26

because they've entered a contract with their LiDAR producer for some like they feel

to deliver on some contracts or something.

But that means that it's like a massive change.

It's going to go to fully Tesla.

I mean, there's other methods.

Tesla went to all camera a long time ago.

There's other technologies that help with.

Do you mean I mean, I mean, actually, a Rivian uses it.

I don't know who I don't know.

I don't know.

But the reason they're doing this is because they were breaking iPhone cameras.

Move on to the next news story.

But regardless, that hump will be used for something.

You think so?

I bet it isn't.

I love the EX90.

I'm excited for peace to return to my cabins driving around because it goes,

it depends like where's the Volvo.

There it is.

You know who's cabins as peace?

Anybody who's got one of those.

That is one of the great electric SUVs on sale.

And honestly, its release has been hampered by the whole LiDAR thing.

The iPhone thing and the fact that there's a taxi light on it.

And the who is LiDAR ever going to work on some day at will.

That hampered the release of this otherwise.

Right.

That hampered the release of an otherwise truly excellent car.

And I think if they had released this car the correct way without any of that stuff.

And using the same sort of system that Tesla has,

this would have been a really much more successful launch of a truly great product.

They've made, they've said over and over again,

that they believe they can still maintain the safety of their next generation systems

so they can still have them be as a fact that they still won't do a camera review mirror.

Goodbye.

That was a huge amount of the pod devoted news.

It was a big news day.

We got to hurry through the rest because there's great questions.

And you didn't even let me talk about the Honda Pilot Reef Fresh.

All right.

I want to move on to the top cars segment next, which brought you back cars a bit.

It's brought to you by the 993 Turbo or Rena Red 993 Turbo.

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I want to talk.

We've had an incident.

Have you been gone on the entire time?

Yes.

We've had an incident.

Shaun's looking to be like,

please don't say the incident.

All right.

I'm going to be vague.

We had an incident with a potential sponsor.

Okay.

Well, you know, we're looking for sponsors.

We know what?

Sponsor the pot.

If you want a spot for the pot, you said an email to Shaun,

S-E-A-N at carsandbids.com.

You can also send him just like a general hello.

Like he's, he's cool.

He's got a G-wagon, a bad color, but.

So we were looking for sponsors.

We're looking for sponsors.

And in a sponsor, we find him.

We're talking to people here.

There are nine and three turbo sponsors

and this one from Salito.

And we reach out to this one company.

Not going to name them apparently wanted to,

but I've been informed I shouldn't.

And they were thinking about sponsor.

We were having a conversation that is a company

that makes really cool car tech product, Donald.

And they reach out to us after last week's pot.

And they say,

last week, I was watching Doug's show,

and I saw him in the group dismissing SEMA

and saying they won't go to it.

And that, but for our company and our industry,

SEMA is so important that we no longer have alignment

with Doug and with cars and bids.

And we will not be a sponsor.

Now what?

I want to be clear about two things.

First off, it is not SEMA who is making this complaint.

SEMA has said nothing knows they don't care.

They don't care about us.

And they should show it's got two billion people.

Second, anytime a sponsor tries to dictate the way

that you're talking about stuff,

that's a red flag of the century.

And I'm not, it isn't a sponsor.

It's not someone who's sponsored us before

or someone we were thinking about.

And so obviously that relationship

shouldn't work on both ends.

We don't like him because he's trying to dictate

what we're saying on camera.

He doesn't like us because we're insulting a show

he participates at.

And I was thinking about this.

Imagine if Chevy came to us.

Okay.

And we do a Tahoe review.

And they're like, we saw your Tahoe review.

And in it, you complained about the LA Auto Show.

And because you said bad things about it,

we're never gonna give you another Tahoe.

That'll fix it.

This dude is advocating the show isn't even related to us.

Honestly, straight up, I've been doing this a long time

and I've gotten a lot of crazy emails.

That is one of the craziest.

I'm sure they make a good product.

They make a good product that our audience is into.

A lot of us love the product.

Nothing to do with Seema.

And by the way, then that's another thing.

Some of these people in the industry and in life

have such thin skins.

Like, I insult Seema.

Who cares what I think?

I'm an idiot.

And the audience kind of knows that.

So true.

And so like, what is who cares?

If I say Seema sucks.

Like what the thing is.

Also, it's Seema.

Everybody knows that.

Is this a secret?

Is this a new?

The people who go there.

Everyone who comes back from Seema,

that I know who goes with, oh God, I had a secret.

Another Seema.

But you go, because you have to.

Anyway, so we won't be getting sponsorship from them.

Instead, all of our sponsorships will come

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Porsche is still supporting creators

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Okay, I want to move on quickly to

Filippo and Japan.

We've done 56 minutes without discussing it.

Filippo, I was in Japan for two weeks.

It was delightful.

We spent about seven cities.

We spent, we did a hundred kilometer bike ride across

a bunch of islands on the inland sea.

He's a kilometer still.

Yeah.

Drove a Yaris like 600, 700 kilometers.

It was horrible.

Hate at the Yaris was one of the worst new vehicles.

Was it a driver?

No.

Was it a tip?

Yeah, of course.

They're all CVT.

Woof.

Where'd you go, the worst vehicle?

We went to Tokyo and Kyoto.

Can I ask you about that?

I've been across those islands.

Nantaniko.

That's great.

Cool.

Can I ask you about Tokyo and Kyoto?

You may.

Is it weird to you that Japan's largest city in Japan's second largest city,

their names are just word scrambles of each other?

It's interesting.

Do you think that people would think it's weird if New York City was called

like Sloth's financial, the less?

That's what it is.

I think they would.

And we should talk about that more.

Because it's not talked about it.

It's not talked about it.

It's the same letter.

They took the regular city and they just kind of knew what it was.

And it worked.

But it worked.

It had convinced people that they're different places.

Right.

Do you now believe they're different places?

Yes.

I can verify.

I can confirm that.

It took a couple of hours on a bullet train together.

But do you think this is a theory?

Do you think that they just...

This is the thing about bullet trains.

This is what we're talking about.

They rearranged exactly.

They took you around in circles and rearranged the city.

I can't prove otherwise.

Right.

Their Japanese are an efficient people.

They aren't it.

What are their car...

Beautiful country.

When you were in Japan.

I saw a bunch of American cars.

I saw a Jeep Grand Wagon near.

I saw an H3.

Yeah.

I saw an H2.

Yep.

I wonder what that person was.

I know.

They're popular.

Japan is the most fascinating use car market.

Where there's one-offs of a bunch of cars.

Even in the new car market.

A lot of cars you don't expect to be sold there.

Are.

But nobody buys them.

They only buy Toyota.

And that happens.

It's Suzuki's also all owned by Toyota.

Even luxury cars are not as common as you'd think.

You know what?

You do resonate with them because they want the idea of owning those cars.

Like you won't.

Every car you talk about.

There were a lot of like...

You see like a bunch of like French hashbacks.

Like one at a time.

You see four of the course of two weeks.

Yeah.

But they're there.

They're sold.

Yeah.

The industry is just real strong.

It is interesting to be the...

The Toyota dominating.

It is interesting to me the American car culture there.

We have this JDM car culture in the States.

And because they can't read their language.

I don't think there's a lot of cross...

Japanese YouTuber I've never watched.

There could be a Doug in Japan.

Right.

But like...

Their car culture is very U.S. focused.

Yeah.

As ours is JDM focused.

I went there five years ago.

I was astonished at the American cars I saw.

There were some really really cool American cars.

Also a lot of like Italian and German cars.

And I will not bother why.

Well they're German.

I mean they can like Mercedes and things like that.

Like a lot of like...

We're walking in an area that happened out of a car show on a Sunday morning.

Actually somebody on Instagram reshot to me and recommended that I go to it.

Oh.

That was great.

In that I walked through the street.

A bunch of zilla.

A bunch of porches.

I saw a couple GTRs.

There were a bunch of not elevens.

There were a bunch of old alphas.

It's cool.

We were at the very end of the show.

But a lot of Italian cars.

Like old Italian cars.

Huh.

It was great.

Love Japan.

I'm trying to be beautiful.

Very high on my list.

But I'm sorry that you rent a Yaris from Toyota Rana Car.

I wouldn't rent.

I flip it.

It goes well.

It's like a mountain.

I would only take bullet train because that gives them ample time to rearrange the cities.

Well.

Well, come back.

Don't know what to make of that.

Okay.

What is your other talk car?

About a situation.

I come back from vacation.

Yeah.

I think I'm ready to buy car.

No, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

I'm actually legitimately ready to buy a little something to you.

See that car right there?

I did it.

I went and got your turn.

It's your turn to step up to the question.

Do it.

Thank you.

I would appreciate your support.

You've been nothing was supported for six months.

I bought a car nine months ago.

You worked on a car you bought a car.

You don't like it.

I love the car.

My wife loves the GT.

We have not been supportive because you can continue to disappoint us.

Two years ago, a year ago on this pot.

I'm going to buy him.

You looked at a 997.

You looked at a C7.

You were getting all in.

And then you ended up with a GTI that you bought randomly.

And then the cycle looked like a deal.

And it has a 40.

And it has the same amount of torque as a 997.

You don't have.

Don't talk to me about.

You talk about these enthusiasts cars and then you end up with a cheap practical car

because it's who you are in your car.

I'm already entertained.

I'm ready.

If this doesn't end with you buying a car,

you're going to be in here.

Which one is going to take you?

You would.

I don't know.

He's in jail.

I don't know.

He's not in jail.

He's not on bail.

There are kind of two cars I'm considering.

A 991 base cab.

You will never buy $9,000.

It's $9,000.

If you add every car you've ever bought together,

does it equal $60,000?

Yes, but bearable.

You are not spending this kind of money.

No, no, no, that doesn't.

That's an S.

A non-S is 60.

He wants manual.

Click on manual.

A non-S.

There's very few for sale.

We actually have.

He should have bought that.

That was just a really quick cab a couple of weeks prior.

You're not spending 70.

But you guys have made it a point effectively over.

Look at that one for 502.

Wait, you should have bought that.

You said you didn't like the colors.

I love it.

This one too.

Yeah, so cool.

It's like yacht English.

Yeah.

That's a blue top.

You both have made the point really effectively

that there's a difference between cost of entry and cost of ownership.

Yes.

And I don't think that based on the rest of the Porsche market,

the 991s, 997, 911s have gone up notably.

A car that was $40,000.

Interesting.

Because you looked at what I looked at it.

You looked at what you were going to have to go and I said,

Philippe, buy this car.

You said I'm a good friend.

Pretty much identical comp sold recently for 10 grand more than that.

You should have listed a dog in that dog was right.

I just love that 997.2.

I really didn't.

But I'm hoping that-

Why do you think you love a 991?

I don't know.

That's my concern.

I have a one, which is a problem.

Okay.

I got a fine drive.

But I think that yes, it costs $60,000.

But I quite confident can get out of it for that.

Yes.

In a year or two years.

But there are quite a few good independent Porsche mechanics nearby.

And they're reliable.

The 991s, to my knowledge, don't have any real-

It's great interior, wonderful car.

The problem is not the car.

But I'm ready to spend the money.

You are right.

I think I am.

I'm going to sell a GTI.

I want you to do a 30.

Think about it.

Halfway there.

Think about it in real term.

Think about you writing a 60.

Think about it in real term.

Think about you writing a 60.

Think about it.

Well, why are the money?

But think about the 60,000 disappears.

No, it will be-

Think about it.

I will walk back out of 20 times.

But I think it's time.

I don't have kids.

Well in the future, hopefully.

I think it's time.

Of course.

A 9-9-9-1.

What's the other car?

A 9-8-1 boxer S.

Oh, here we go.

He's going to end up with a tip 9-8-7.

Yep.

It will cover your 9-8-7.

Here's the thing.

A 9-9-7-1.

Now is $45,000.

We sold one a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So what do you think?

This one.

Yep.

There we are.

I don't like the 9-8-7 boxer.

That's actually a 9-6.

Sorry.

Here.

There you go.

9-500.

That's the one.

Hey.

I am ready legitimately to buy something that is nice and good.

I don't don't don't.

And so I would appreciate you guys supporting and helping me.

I was supporting you.

I was supporting you under the following circumstances.

Yeah.

If you can pinky me that this ends with a 9-X-1.

Thank you for that.

It doesn't.

I will never support you in anything you ever do ever again.

Yeah.

How much would you degrade me if I bought like a 9-8-7.

That's fine.

That's fine, sorry.

A 7-18.

Nice case.

I would love that.

All right.

So it'll be something in that.

It'll have three numbers.

Yeah.

Okay.

He's going to end up with an imported Pusho 106 for $21.

No, I'm joking.

I'm joking.

But, relatedly, I'm legitimately on the hunt for a base 991 cab or coupe manual.

Ideally without black wheels.

I just, I can't.

If you have an email on him at Sean or the one or the rights of an 18-all manual, I'm legitimately

finally, I think vaguely ready.

I legitimately finally, I think vaguely ready.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, we'll be supportive.

You told me when legitimately, finally, I think vaguely turns into definitely.

You know what?

In the meantime, I'm going to join my V12 by Turbo Mercedes.

Yeah.

Keep dreaming, buddy.

All right.

Ken, tell us about what, we'll cover this again on a later party if you want to.

But a lot of people out there who are not.

I want you to buy a car just follow through this time.

Ken, tell us about.

I did last time.

You're also here, but you hit a milestone in your M5.

I did.

I hit 10 years that I have owned my M5.

10 years.

Full dedicated.

I have owned my car.

You ever have anything for 10 years?

Yeah.

Which I, yeah, okay.

So I get, and I did a few two video about this too that kind of goes over the whole thing.

But it was, I have to say, like looking back on owning my M5 for $21.

Looking my M5 for a decade, it's crazy to have had a car for that long.

It was through me with my life from age 20 to age 30.

A lot of your life changes in that period of time.

And the thing is, like, I still, the moral of this whole story is,

despite the costs and some of the pain I've had with it, I still love the car.

Which also brings you back to another point.

Someone asked a couple weeks ago how much I'm invested in the car this year.

Because I didn't want to go over two grand.

Yeah.

So I touted it up.

And I made sure it's one.

Oh, no, no, no.

This is a big, this is a big thing.

When you were gone.

$1348 is less than I actually thought that it was.

So I'm still very good.

And there it doesn't include the gift card we gave you to cancel.

Doesn't, no, because like...

No, I agree, I agree, I agree.

It's probably what...

I didn't spend that money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The money was spent by others.

Yeah, yeah.

I feel kind of...

And thank you.

That it wouldn't necessarily have even done it if we hadn't done that.

Right.

So thank you guys for having done that.

But nonetheless, like, I just love, I just still love the car.

I really love the SL65.

I've astonished how much I like this car.

But that one will stick around for the future, I think.

I just really enjoy the car.

I will say, I watched the video.

And I'm excited for when you start modifying it.

As you said, you would at the end of the video.

I mentioned that I would consider an exhaust system yet.

At some point when the car leaves daily duty.

And I think I don't know exactly when that's going to be,

but it will...

I don't know when.

That's a dailyable car, are there?

It is, but that's...

You're wasting the purpose of that car,

which is experiencing that incredible...

Well, you don't need that?

A third car.

That's right, perhaps.

You buy more cars.

If you have a hundred of cars.

Ronald McDonald Vyper.

I drove one recently, and my God, I love that car.

That'll be the next car after this.

I want to go on to a market report.

Yeah.

The market report, by the way, is brought to you by the 993 Turbo.

The 993 Turbo.

Am I looking for one?

Yeah.

You've been looking for a long time.

But you're the wait.

Yeah, I can't be...

No, no.

You've been talking about this long in here.

The 993 Turbo.

All right.

Fair enough.

I...

Look at...

Anyway.

Okay.

So, market report, there's two things I really want to talk about.

Yeah.

And then we got to move on to questions.

We're way over time, but this pod deserved it.

It did.

F-types.

Can you pull that?

We have sold the F-types.

If you've been paying attention to F-types sales,

then you're going to buy an F-types.

I'm not.

Go to low.

And they're the...

No, we lower, son.

We've sold this year.

Five F-types for under $21,000.

The F-type is now a $20,000 usage.

Now, obviously, these are the early ones, some miles.

But you see where the market's going.

F-types are cheap.

It's a beautiful car.

This one's a V8 for $21.

Oh, my God.

I remember that one sold it.

I didn't really pay attention to this until we sold this last one

that a couple like this week.

This, this great one sold.

That's why, yeah.

And I was like, you know, I looked at it.

Go down.

The miles were reasonable.

It was $61,000.

It was a miles.

It was a nice car.

Non-modified.

No acts.

It was like a clean car.

And it sold for $20.

And I was like, what?

It's a two-owner.

This is what these are going for now.

Yeah.

This is a beautiful car for $20.

I'm glad I didn't pinky you.

Can I ask you a question?

Oh, my God.

I asked you a question.

Honestly, we just had the ND in the eye.

I just did an ND review.

It's going to go up a few months.

I don't know.

It was great.

I mean, I love the ND.

You could get this.

Good.

And it's like really a beautiful car.

It's a beautiful car.

Pretty modern tech.

We have to imagine cost of ownership of being a sad car.

Maybe.

But at this super six is in a lot of cars.

It's missing those cylinders just filled in from the V8.

Right.

It could be a V8.

It could have been a couple cold ones in a drilling.

Yeah.

I mean, while people are mad because they want to keep the power of the company subscription fee.

Jaguar's just filling in the cylinders.

Oh, yeah, that's fine.

I won't notice.

Legitimately, though.

No, that's a pretty compelling car for that number.

20.

That's a beauty.

You're right.

As you look at this, 25.

And honestly, as you look, I was made a thing of it because they're 20.

But as you look at this, even around 25,

there's manuals, there's blown V8s, 15 blown V8s,

there's like really compelling vehicles in this price point.

This is a supercharged V8.

That's the type R.

Go down.

How many miles does this have?

58.

Not that bad.

Red, red.

This is a cool car.

And the coups look better.

That does not look like a more.

25,000.

No, it absolutely does not look like a 25,000 other car.

This is a damn cool car for the number.

It drives well too.

It drives really well.

It doesn't drive like, honestly, I just had the ND.

The ND is more like engaging.

Of course.

But this is cool.

A 911 is more engaging.

A boxer feels like more of a sports car.

But this is very different and very cool experience.

Still a very cool experience.

It sounds great.

Especially these 15 blown V8s sound amazing.

If I can and I want to buy an automatic car, I'll consider it.

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over all the torque.

I want to talk about one other thing that I noticed this week

that I think really deserves to be talked about, which is super.

Can you pull up the super?

I'm not the Mark IV, which I love an awesome car.

I love the Mark IV.

Can I tell you something about Mark V.

Super is hidden.

We don't know that because we're not like JDM guys.

We're not like in the forums.

Hiddenly, subtly, under the table.

Low key, as the kids say, the Mark V.

Super has gotten a huge following

and is selling for crazy money.

Mark, when I would have reviewed the Mark V.

Super at some point.

The only car review I've ever shot in West Virginia

to this day.

When I went film that video,

Mike complaints about the Super were,

it had didn't have enough power

and it didn't have a manual transmission.

And over time, Toyota gave the car more power,

considerably more, and gave the car a manual transmission.

They should have launched that way.

But by doing that, they suddenly created a car

that a lot of people are into.

And these are still pulling real money now

on the used market.

This car has how many miles?

It's a modded ST20,000 mile car.

What is a new one cost?

This is a 23.

This is a $53,000 number plus our fee.

Like, these cars are slept on in a lot of the world.

But if you're into Supras,

you are paying attention to the fact

that these cars have become desirable.

Less so the early ones with the autos like this.

But the 23s, 24s with the stick, with the big motor

are really becoming desirable used cars.

It honestly reminds me a little bit of the Mark IVs.

Like, there is a real interest in these cars.

60,000, 65.

Sticker was 57 for this car.

I'm looking for a stick one.

The early ones are kind of valued.

Actually, I looked into this a little bit.

Like, very much like the Z4.

Like, they're based upon the kind of the same one.

But it is interesting.

The later ones with the big motor,

these A91 MT editions are really cool.

Which underscores that should have been launched

at the manual from the beginning.

Yeah, I'm going to posit to you

that the power bumped,

so that's like 23 and up by 22, 23 and up.

Power bumped manual Mark Vs.

Don't ever lose value.

I'm going to posit that right now.

I think you're right.

I mean, that's a loose song.

They're not going to be 65 forever.

But you're never going to see this car for 20 grand.

You never will.

Which I thought would happen

because it was just as re-skinned Z4.

The market doesn't feel that way.

It looks good.

Also, they're very popular.

As a car guy on Instagram,

get fed a lot of like reals of people doing

a lot of things.

And a lot of that happening in Mark IVs.

Yeah.

People overlooked the BMW thing.

They were like, you know what?

It's a Supra.

And the modding community showed up for them.

And there is a ton of modding opportunities for them.

I'm three.

I'm four.

They're also really hot.

Generally, especially like tuner

and like young communities.

In the end, we made fun of them so much

for using a BMW powertrain.

They actually chose the right powertrain to use.

It was that one that was in all these BMWs.

B58, the mighty B58.

Yeah.

Maybe the best six cylinder BMWs ever made.

I prefer the S54.

But I think the B58 in terms of reliability,

the number of cars in the power base.

It's just a strong six-cylinder engine.

That's what BMW does.

So it's right that it ended up in a lot of ways.

It turned out that I was right about a couple things.

It needed more power and manual.

And they were right about the BMW thing.

And it worked out for them.

And I think that the market demand and adorningness

of this car is proving that.

Like the adoration is...

People love it.

Right.

Yeah.

And the used values are showing that.

I love them personally.

Every time I see a Supra, I think it's really cool.

I like they look awesome.

Also, what a glow up for Toyota.

Like the GR brand launched mid-lingly.

But now they have this, they have the Corolla,

they have the R4, they have...

I thought they were the R4.

I was joking.

The GR brand is all cars that are incredibly...

The 300 series.

The GR Sport Land Cruiser.

Right.

Saw a bunch of this.

Well, you know, I can't win them all.

No, that's a cool car.

I agree.

They actually invested, you know, when I was...

When I was 16 and Toyota, the mid-2000s,

which was the era where all the crazy cars came from,

Toyota had started to develop reputation

for being the most boring car company.

Start to the point where they're...

Well, in the 90s, they had cars,

they let go of them all.

And in the 2000s, they had...

It's hard to explain now, but they really had developed a rep

for being pretty dull.

Yes.

And they had...

In the mid-2000s, where everybody was making all these fast cars,

their fastest car was a pickup truck.

It was the stick X runner.

And yeah, the V4.

I mean, those were their fastest cars.

So embarrassing.

Yeah.

And they really put a lot of effort into changing perception.

I don't think there's a single person in the world today

who would say Toyota's a boring company.

No.

Which is incredible.

The four-on-one land cruiser,

and the GR Gorilla, and the Supra, and BRZ,

and all this stuff.

Crazy.

Okay.

We got to move on to questions.

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And honestly, I don't even know if he's still selling the job.

He does not.

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Wasn't that a gift?

Yeah.

It was from Nick.

But it was from Nick.

Right.

Okay.

Starting from, there's a lot of good questions.

So buckle up.

We're going to end up going along again.

I feel terrible about it.

First question from quasi-bred.

Doug, is it really a joke that you want on Arena Red 993 termos?

Someone commented on the YouTube uploads saying it was a joke,

and you commented agreeing with it.

Then there's a car like the one you want on Bring the Trailer.

It's on Bring the Trailer for God's sake.

I'm so glad that's catching on.

Over on the Bring the Trailer there.

Yeah, no, it's not a joke, folks.

I wanted to Arena Red 993 Turbo.

Why don't I have one?

Why do I have to sit here with this car model?

Next question from ARAV2020.

Question for Felipe, if you ever return.

You have said for months that you're selling your Fiat 500 at Barth,

when can we expect it live on the site?

Here's what happened.

I wanted to sell it in April, May.

And yet you took no steps to do that.

No, and then our producer was like, wait, no, we want to use it for the other thing.

There's other thing.

That didn't materialize.

There's other thing.

But now I'm told I can sell it in January.

In January.

So we're going to do a fun little challenge event with this car and the A2 in the multiple.

That will go up as soon.

It'll be really cool.

And then it will go.

Little your cars will be gone and out of my life.

And if you create a betterbie.

And then he says it can be gone.

I don't think I'll sell it.

Right.

If you have complaints about the tunnel, you can email our producer Sean.

By the way, by the way, ARAV2020, if you're sitting over here saying that because you want to buy it,

don't.

Don't.

This is bad.

No, the other day, Felipe was at my house bragging about how he hasn't done anything to the car.

I don't think it is.

Yeah.

Like oil changes.

It's a brake pad.

No.

I want to be cleaned more than he has.

I want to be cleaned.

Done.

I put on new tires and I've gotten oil changes.

How long can you want?

I even organized your paperwork.

Yeah.

I will say, it's been an incredibly reliable car.

And all I've done is oil changes and the new tires.

Incredible reliable.

Next question.

From not a Porsche guy.

Hey.

Next question from not a Porsche guy.

Same, dude.

I'm not a Porsche guy either.

Oh.

Have SF90 values dropped low enough to be considered a good buy?

No.

What number would you consider buying one?

$3.

Next question.

No.

What do you think?

Kenan.

There's still 100 something.

There's still the 400s.

I think that should be a 300-ish car.

I think it should be about a one.

Listen.

I don't want.

Me personally.

If you're asking me personally, and I suppose you are, because you wrote to me.

The day this is cheaper than a mercy, it's a good deal.

But until that person asks.

Until that day, I'd rather have a mercy.

Like, you are, like, by reputation.

But in this specific arena, you're not a person.

I'm a coffee and he's like, I'm thinking about a 750s or a 296.

And I was like,

Oh, five 4GT.

He was like,

What?

You're not wrong.

I'm not wrong.

It's still 1,000 horsepower V8.

I think nice looking.

It is, but I don't know.

That's for a intrinsic value.

For the two problems.

45, it's still going to lose an enormous amount of value.

Number two, it looks like a 296, which I would much rather have.

I think the 296 is more poolous modern Ferraris.

And it's slower.

These are.

It's just, it doesn't have that much of the hybrid thing.

The cheapest out of 90s must be a 400 now.

That doesn't work.

It was a very option.

I think less.

Second, let low threes.

That's interesting.

Next question from Ronnie F430.

Hey, Doug.

I thought you said the 996 GT2 was your favorite 911.

Do you now prefer the 993 turbo over?

A lot of 993 turbo questions love that.

The 996 GT2 is my favorite 911.

I think that's true.

The competitor cars are the 993 turbo and the new 911 ST,

which I actually think belongs on that list.

Nonetheless, what I'm looking for in this car

is the 996 GT2 is pretty raw.

The other two cedar, no back seats, hard core.

I got a lot of that.

I got the Crew GT, the Kuntosh, the Ford GT.

I live at the intersection of raw and insane.

That's where my house is.

Raw and insane.

I live there with right next door to John Force.

There's a reference he weren't expecting.

Raw and insane.

I want something that's a little bit more chip

foos is across the street.

It's a little bit more usable than that.

I know the 996 GT2 is a better car.

It actually is cheaper.

I think it's cooler and it's more fun.

It's more engaging.

It's more insane.

The 993 solves a little bit of a problem that I have right now,

which is that I wish I had a sports car.

Maybe a little bit more day-level, maybe a little bit more practical.

Plus, then you get all the great analog stuff

from Porsche, the door closed, and all that stuff.

Although I personally, this is the most controversial statement

I'll ever make on this pod, although not to the probably

the audience of the pod.

But I personally think the 996 is actually the last

analog 911.

If you really drive them, the 996 still feels like the tight,

dynamic car that the early ones did.

It's the 997.

I know they switched away from error-cooled, but it's the 997

that really starts to feel like the last car.

You mean like a 997 dull in like GT3, to me,

feels pretty tight.

Well, the GT3s do.

Even the modern GT3s do.

But when people talk about the loss of the analog

feel of the 911, they are always referring to the split

between the 993 and the 96.

To me, that splits actually between the 996 and the 997.

And I say this is a guy who's had multiple 997s company cars.

I owned a 996.

I've just experienced a ton of these cars.

And I think the 996 actually is like kind of the,

still retains a lot of the character for the night.

It doesn't have the error-cooled, it's a little bigger,

but not much bigger.

And I think it still has sort of the tight feel to it.

The 997 got larger.

997 was larger, and more importantly,

they focused on luxury in the interior.

They started focusing to be honest.

It probably, given where the price point was going,

but they started focusing.

You know, 993 turbo.

Interesting.

A new 911, a new 911 is a foot longer than a 993 turbo

and six inches wider.

A 993 turbo is five and a half inches shorter than a new Cayman.

Wow, wow.

That is a small car.

The cars have grown.

And the Porsche has done an amazing job of engineering.

This incredible steering feel and handling,

despite the increased size, but the cars have grown.

And I think it was the 996 to 997 split

where you really felt that.

I think, by the way, all of these are great cars.

It's a very interesting point.

I had a friend who had a career for us,

and he said the 997.2 career for us.

And he said that, yeah, he just felt like a normal car to him.

It felt like a luxury car.

And then he ended up getting a .1 GT3.

That felt like the 911 he wanted.

I think any of the GT3s still have that sort of tight feel.

I think what you mean about the normal cars.

Interesting.

Next question from Scott in Boston.

I was wondering what everyone's garage situation was.

This is a great question.

We never discussed it.

Never talked about it.

The biggest thing holding me back

is purchasing it from Cooper-Cynical Car's lack of space.

Of course, he's in Boston.

Right.

Yeah.

He's got to park that thing in the back bay.

They got people bumping into each other.

Right.

Yellen about the red socks.

Yeah.

The little Bella check in that young lady.

What space do you guys have?

Philippa, why don't you start us on?

My house has a garage.

It's technically two car garage

that's not wide enough for two cars or long enough for two cars.

Truly, it's such a misshapen garage.

No way.

I can drive away.

My driveway can fit a F-500 apart.

Barely.

I sometimes park the GTi there,

but if I go close enough through wall,

it doesn't block the sidewalk on half of it.

My curves.

I can fit in Mercedes station wagon

in one half of my garage

as long as I'm comfortable not walking by it

to get literally anything else.

Therefore, I don't.

So I have a garage, technically.

But you don't really ever use it.

No, sometimes I'll park a car in there.

If we're going to have a town, I'll park a car in there.

Yeah.

But we use it for projects and woodworking

and whatever other stuff.

That's rare.

If I buy a 991, I will park it in the garage.

Oh, wow.

You have to deal with that.

Good.

Ken and what's your parking situation?

Also, I have a 7.0 California.

There's no weather.

Well, right.

It's only been raining the last week.

Every day.

When you say that,

even I who hates cleaning my cars

and doesn't care if my cars are clean,

I get a little, a little annoying car.

Because yeah, it sits outside.

That doesn't mean the car.

There's no weather.

That doesn't mean there's not issue.

There are places where there's a real issue.

Where the hail is common.

Or where there's enough snowfall

that you create real problems.

We get a snowfall.

Like in Arizona, where the sun is obviously.

The car can still get here.

But in Arizona.

You can still get hit.

Your car was hit parked in front of your house on the street.

Excellent.

Okay.

Ken and what is your parking system?

So I live in an apartment complex.

And I have two spots that are mine like a shared garage.

But it works out well for me.

And then the other thing is that.

Sorry.

You're like between two pillars.

Yeah.

It's like, it's like, it'd be very hard to door-ding me.

Yeah.

But I also, you know, have access to the cars and bids garage.

Which is that the office is one of our great hacks.

You know, Doug gets his cars down here occasionally.

I come down and clean my cars down here.

And when I leave for vacation,

I often will leave a car.

The M5.

It's on mine.

Here.

I was just talking to our landlord the other day.

Our kids were playing at the park together.

And he was saying, you know, why don't you get more cars?

You get this garage.

And I was like, yeah, well, who knows?

Who knows how long?

You know, one day is Filippo going to come in and say we're done.

We're out of the space.

We're moving into a former McDonald's in El Cahon.

You can do videos in the drive-through.

You can do as many JDM drive-through videos as you want.

I would do the V-ron in the drive-through.

Not telling people that it was our McDonald's.

It's an idea.

Private McDonald's.

You got mine.

Oh, shit.

I told them.

My garage, I got a four car garage, I know.

I got two.

And then I got a lift from Ben Pack, which I paid retail for.

Kovie.

Yeah, Kovie.

Two and two.

And it's cool that the two cars on the lift can move independently.

So they go up and down.

So I don't have to pull like both bottom cars off to get the top ones down.

Which is really cool.

And honestly, it works well.

I wish I had four flat.

But I live in the city.

I've been a big advocate of living in cities.

I've never lived in the suburbs.

I like living in cities kind of walkable, more urban.

And so I, four flat garage spaces is not a realistic opportunity for me.

But two two was.

And I built that.

I finished that about a year ago.

And so now I get four cars at home.

And I could have gone more.

I could have gone five or six cars.

Could you?

At the very least forward.

Yeah.

And I didn't do that intentionally because I felt that the responsible thing to do.

And I mean this sincerely.

The responsibility to do is limit myself to four cars.

I have, and at some point you just got so many cars.

You're just, you know, yeah.

And then immediately I went out looking for a fifth car.

Yes, using the 10,000 square foot bunker that we have.

He's got plenty of room.

He likes to limit it in concept but in reality.

No.

1993.

Okay.

I want two more questions.

Two more questions from Paul about cars for Doug.

Some Lexus dealers are now discounting new LX over trails.

For over seven grand off stick.

Or I saw that.

Have you been on our trader?

Whew.

It's a blood bath out there in the LX over trail market.

Is it actually?

Yeah, they're discounted.

Is that an age included?

Huh?

700 Asian.

Yes.

No, the Lovertrees only.

I thought there was a 600 over trail.

Yeah.

Is that enough for you to consider getting one of the Sequoia placement?

Yeah.

If you are an enterprising Lexus dealer, reach out right now.

The used ones are coming under a hundred and it won't leave my mind.

And I just have a system.

Also, your Sequoia's got to be worth about what you paid.

It's been hit and I took off the running boards and God knows where they are.

You did it.

Look better.

It does look better.

Okay.

Filippo, should we do one more?

Yeah, one more.

One more good one or one more not good one?

Well, you can choose.

Okay.

Here's a good one that we can all answer from Paul Townsend.

Many cars seem similar in specs, purpose, or performance, but get vastly different opinions

on the pod.

This leads me to ask you, what did the Urus do right that the DBX, Purosongue and Electra

and Shirley McClaren's will do wrong?

And what did the Revolto do right that the SF90 did wrong?

It's an interesting question.

First off, the Urus sells well.

I don't know that I would say that it did things right.

I would say that.

Like personally, my criticism to that always were like, I thought if Lamborghini is going

to bring back an SUV, what they should bring back is something like the L-O-L-O-2.

The V12 make it look crazy.

What they did was they took a Cube 7 and put a cool interior in it and called it a Lamborghini.

Well, a Q8.

A Cube 8.

There is a success to the Urus, I think because the price point actually turned out

good.

The Lamborghini name is stronger.

That alone is, by the way, I don't think the Purosongue did anything wrong.

It's listed in here.

It's this guy saying, what did they do wrong?

No, they're wrong.

I think the Purosongue is probably the best of all of them.

It's too expensive.

But it's the best of all of them.

And when prices kind of normalize, it'll be really compelling.

Also, production of them fully picked up on those, right?

Yeah.

They're pretty limited.

Urus came in at a really attractive price.

They did.

I think that's why.

If you ask why it sold well.

Now, one interesting part of the question is, what did the SF90 do wrong that the

Revolto did right?

I would think about this a lot.

I'll tell you what.

A little Revolto has 12 cylinders for one.

Yeah, I think that's part of it.

I think that's part of it.

My issue with it is that Ferrari didn't really define where it fit in their world.

Don't think it looked too similar to the normal car.

It looked too similar to the normal car.

There are people who would argue that Aventador and Huracan, I mean, you're walking down

the street.

Is Filippo going to be able to tell those cars apart?

Yeah.

I think even he.

I tell enough of 90 apart.

I don't know.

Well, I mean, because it came up before the Tamarion, I think kind of it looked different

enough.

It was a different of departure from its predecessor in the Aventador.

I do think a component, 12 cylinders a component.

I think the hybrid thing is not desirable to a lot of people.

Yeah.

To me, also, this is going to be maybe this is crazy because I'm a Kuntash owner, but

Lambo lives in that world.

They own that V12 expensive segment.

Huracan is a lot of segments, but when you think about what does the S-Class do well, that

the A8, which is about to be canceled, and the Jaguar XJ and the Lexus LS, both canceled,

the Accur-RL didn't do right.

The S-Class is that segment.

When you think about a luxury sedan, you first think of the S-Class, and when I think

about a mid-engine top-of-the-line supercar in that segment, I think about Lamborghini, and

I think about the Mura, the Kuntash, the Diablo, the Mercy Logo, the Aventador, and the

Revolto.

Ferrari has been a bit player in this segment.

They have tried at various times to compete with Lamborghini, and also at various times,

they have failed and backed off and said, we can't, and went back to front engine for years.

I mean, you say that the Testerosa was a monstrous sale success.

They sold way more of those than Lamborghini did Kuntash's.

And yet, the market vastly prefers the Kuntash, and when it came down to redesign the Testerosa,

Ferrari said, we don't have it.

We don't have it.

You have it.

We don't.

You have it.

Two different periods of time.

In period, it was so much more commercially successful, but then as a result, because they made

so many of them, that's why I like all these years later.

It's much easier to get one than it is a Kuntash, it's a simple supply and demand.

Well, okay, but they're missing.

The point that I'm making is, Ferrari then ceded that market to Lamborghini.

Whether you believe that the Testerosa was better or not, Ferrari gave up.

They gave up.

After trying twice to compete with Lamborghini on cars that weren't really all that

desirable, the box were in the Testerosa, and in both times, not succeeding.

They bailed, and they went front-engine for decades, and they've now returned.

I would argue the reason they did that is because they came up with the F50s for mid-engine

V12.

So if you're going to then come out with a car below that that's also a mid-engine V12,

that's confusing.

I think part of the reason why I wanted to go back to the traditional front-engine V12

is, to your point, the Testerosa styling was getting old, they couldn't come up with

something next.

But also, they came out with the F50, and they're like, we can't go that way.

The F50 was a one-year-only.

I mean, they gave that segment up.

That was a market segment.

The F50 was a one-time thing, but it was a market segment that Ferrari seeded.

And I think that Lamborghini established itself as the sort of, like, Ferrari has established

itself as the player in the entry.

Like when you think of an entry exotic, the 296, that's the one that all the others

are compared against.

The luxury sedans, the A8, all of them are compared against the S-Class.

In the entry sports sedan, the three series.

All of the other sports sedans are compared against the three series.

And I think that Lamborghini just simply has developed this reputation for creating this

type of car.

And Ferrari shows up with a hybrid that doesn't look different from the other car.

That's really expensive.

And people are like, nah.

And Revuelto was just more desirable.

Also, like, the S-90 was the start of Ferrari doing a lot of technology and screens.

It wasn't the first, but, like, was furthering that in a way that was at the wrong, maybe

the right movement at the wrong time.

And Lamborghini is on a streak of doing everything right for their market.

They, all of their products have been on an up and up from a production standpoint.

They had right timing to launch an SUV that helped them launch.

Then the successful Revuelto, maybe the Temerari will be successful, too, probably.

Like, there's like a timing element here where it also worked in their favor, and it did

not work in Ferrari's.

I feel the worst for the DBX.

I feel like the DBX.

I mean, Asimar doesn't sell any cars.

That sounds great.

You want to know what?

You don't want to not screw it over the DBX is just the general perception around the

Asimar and Brand.

I actually think the DBX 707 is a really compelling car.

The brand has a perception of overproducing cars, and thus Reset Value is a complete

disaster.

Asimar isn't a desirable brand.

They're just not desirable at the production level that the home office wants them to

be.

And so you make this many, people want.

They really want, but they only want this many.

And so there's this perception that you're going to buy a DBX and you're going to lose

$100,000 in value, which is what happened.

Right.

Yeah.

You see what they're going for now?

Like normal ones are like 85.

Normal ones are in the 80s.

Meanwhile, you try to find an iris in the 80s.

It's going to be a mat arm strong, rolled over six times into a ditch in Bahrain.

On Panna Tidal.

Yeah.

Anyway, free Whistlin, tag save Whistlin.

Free Whistlin, and that's our podcast.

You got any final thoughts?

You were way over time.

So any final thoughts?

I do actually.

Oh, wow.

You should just buy a crown SUV instead of a pure songway.

You can't.

Look identical.

They're only sold in.

Look identical.

You can't.

Look identical.

I mean, free Whistlin, but if you're doing Montana, they come in for you.

And by the way, by the way, one other thing about Montana, when you make that argument

online, I mean, it's like cars registering Montana, what about you all trying to make

that argument to a cop on the side of the road.

He's going to turn you into one of these best podcasts we've ever done.

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Wow.

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