Will and Derek dive into the practical benefits and lessons learned from owning multiple Porsches, sharing personal stories and tips to manage costs and maintenance. They discuss Will's recent acquisition of a 996 GT3, highlighting its raw, nervous character and the passionate community around it. Derek teases his own new Porsche purchase, adding intrigue. The hosts reflect on the camaraderie among Porsche enthusiasts and the unique experiences that come with juggling several cars, including the joy and challenges of tracking and sorting out mechanical quirks.
Owning more than one Porsche sounds ridiculous on paper. Then you live it.
In this episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Will and Derek talk through why a multi Porsche garage can actually be practical, and how it can make your ownership life easier, cheaper, and more fun when you set it up the right way.
We get into:
What you learn fast after buying and selling a lot of Porsches
How your taste changes once internet opinions stop mattering
Why the best two car setup is one dependable car plus one special car
How to avoid overlapping experiences, drivetrain, transmission, and purpose
How repeat buying builds a network for off market cars and faster deals
How experience helps you spot seller red flags and walk away clean
When “too many cars” turns into a chore, and what to do about it
Will’s early take on 996 GT3 ownership and what it teaches you about limits
If you’ve ever thought about adding a second Porsche, or you already have multiple cars and feel the squeeze, this one will hit.
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""...there are no nannies on that car. So love it and very happy with it.""
"Nannies" are safety features in cars that help you drive safely by stopping the car from slipping or spinning out.
"Nannies" refers to electronic driver aids such as traction control, stability control, and other safety systems that intervene to keep the car stable and prevent loss of control.
"... like how people always talk about like the early 911 turbos about, you know, their scary cars, their d..."
The Porsche 911 is a famous fast car that looks different from most others because its engine is in the back. Some older versions had a lot of power and could be tricky to control, which makes them exciting but also a bit scary for drivers.
The Porsche 911 is an iconic sports car known for its distinctive design and rear-engine layout. Early 911 Turbo models, especially from the late 1970s and 1980s, gained a reputation for being challenging to drive due to their powerful turbocharged engines and unique handling characteristics. These cars are often discussed for their raw driving experience and significance in sports car history.
""Or do you feel like maybe this is a little bit too much like track car and less street car?""
A track car is a car made mostly for racing on special race tracks. It might not be very comfortable or easy to drive on normal streets.
A track car is a vehicle modified or designed primarily for racing or performance driving on race tracks, often sacrificing comfort and street usability for speed and handling.
"I think the car needs an alignment based on what the gentleman was talking to me about. The suspension probably needs to be seen too."
Alignment means making sure the wheels are straight and pointing the right way so the car drives smoothly and the tires don't wear out too fast.
Alignment refers to adjusting the angles of the wheels so that they are set to the car manufacturer's specifications. Proper alignment ensures optimal handling, tire wear, and safety.
"The suspension probably needs to be seen too. The biggest kind of surprise that I heard is that it could be the differential that's going that's causing some weird pushing issues around curves."
Suspension is the part of the car that helps it ride smoothly over bumps and keeps the wheels touching the road.
The suspension system includes components like springs, shock absorbers, and linkages that connect a vehicle to its wheels. It helps absorb shocks from the road and maintain tire contact for better handling and comfort.
"The biggest kind of surprise that I heard is that it could be the differential that's going that's causing some weird pushing issues around curves. And it makes sense because it's feeling like it's coming out of the back end a little bit."
The differential is a part that helps the wheels turn at different speeds when the car goes around corners, so it drives better and safer.
A differential is a drivetrain component that allows the wheels to rotate at different speeds, especially when turning. It helps improve traction and handling by distributing power appropriately to the wheels.
"Just make sure when you pick a track, pick a track with lots of runoff."
It's a safe space next to the race track where you can go if you lose control, so you don't crash into walls or other dangerous things.
A runoff area is a safety zone around a race track designed to give drivers extra space to slow down or recover if they go off the track, reducing the chance of crashes.
"VIR is less than an hour away from me, so I've run that track many times and I'll be careful though."
VIR is a race track in Virginia where people can drive their cars fast and safely because it has good safety spaces and interesting turns.
Virginia International Raceway (VIR) is a well-known race track in Virginia, USA, popular for track days and racing events due to its challenging layout and good safety features like runoff areas.
"I've purchased from so many like different sources, many of which were private party, but also dealers, but also kind of other areas that I won't share."
Buying a car from a private party means you buy it directly from another person, not from a car dealer. It can be cheaper but might have more risks.
A private party sale refers to buying or selling a vehicle directly between individuals without involving a dealership. These transactions can sometimes offer better prices but may carry more risk without dealer warranties.
"Like I've developed a network of people, entities, ways of finding cool off market cars that I don't know would have happened for me if I only like bought one Porsche every five years."
Off market cars are cars that people want to sell but aren't listed on regular websites or lots. You usually find them by knowing the right people.
Off market cars refer to vehicles that are not publicly listed for sale on common platforms like dealerships or popular online marketplaces. These cars are often found through private networks or specialized contacts.
"...I have a standing offer. They want to buy my red Boxster, you know? They're like, when the time comes, li..."
The Porsche Boxster is a small, sporty car with the engine placed in the middle, which helps it drive really well. It's a bit cheaper than some other Porsches and lots of people like it because it's fun to drive and looks cool.
The Porsche Boxster is a mid-engine roadster that offers a more affordable entry point into Porsche ownership while delivering excellent handling and performance. It is often praised for its balanced chassis and driving dynamics, making it a popular choice among enthusiasts. The Boxster holds strong resale value and is frequently sought after when owners decide to sell.
""I got to sell my S2000 or whatever the story was.""
The Honda S2000 is a small convertible car that is fun to drive because it has a powerful engine that can go very fast and handles well around corners.
The Honda S2000 is a two-seat roadster sports car famous for its high-revving naturally aspirated engine and precise handling. It is highly regarded among enthusiasts for its engaging driving experience.
"...ne that's special. And whether that means like a Cayenne in a 911 or a Cayenne in an old 911 or like in m..."
The Porsche Cayenne is a big car that looks fancy and can carry more people or stuff than a small sports car. It drives more like a fast car than a regular SUV, so it's special for people who want both speed and space.
The Porsche Cayenne is a luxury SUV that helped Porsche expand its market beyond sports cars by combining performance with practicality. It shares some components with other Volkswagen Group vehicles but is tuned for a sportier driving experience. The Cayenne is often mentioned in discussions about blending Porsche's sports car heritage with everyday usability.
"...you can get in and drive and has air conditioning and it's a much more, you know, dailyable car. It's just what it is, it's kind of nice."
A daily driver is a car you can use every day without problems. It's easy to get in, comfortable, and works well for things like going to work or running errands.
A daily driver is a vehicle that is reliable and comfortable enough to be used every day for regular commuting and errands. It contrasts with special or project cars that may not be as practical for daily use.
"if you want a special maybe like a 356 that can be a little temperamental or that it's, you know, if it's too hot out, it's not going to be enjoyable to drive."
The Porsche 356 is an old sporty car made a long time ago. It can be a bit tricky to drive sometimes, especially if it's very hot or cold outside.
The Porsche 356 is a classic sports car produced from 1948 to 1965, known for its lightweight design and rear-engine layout. It is considered Porsche's first production automobile and is prized by collectors, but can be temperamental and sensitive to weather conditions.
"There is an idea of having something in your garage you just tinker with over time."
Sometimes people like to fix or change parts of their car themselves, like a fun project they keep working on.
The idea of 'tinkering with over time' refers to owning a car that you regularly work on, modify, or repair yourself as a hobby or project, rather than just driving it.
"Dude, back in the day, I passed on so many what they call mid-year 911s. Those are the mid-70s, 911s."
Mid-year 911s are Porsche 911 cars made in the middle of the 1970s that had some changes compared to earlier ones.
Mid-year 911s refer to Porsche 911 models produced during a transitional period in the mid-1970s, often including the 1974-1977 models with some design and mechanical updates from earlier versions.
"People feel that way about 914s until you drive them."
The Porsche 914 is a special kind of sports car made by Porsche and Volkswagen a long time ago. Some people don't like how it looks until they actually drive it and realize it's fun.
The Porsche 914 is a mid-engine sports car produced collaboratively by Porsche and Volkswagen from 1969 to 1976. It is known for its unique styling and driving dynamics, often underappreciated until experienced firsthand.
""Or a 928s. Like this thing feels like a Corvette. Like, so it's just when you get there.""
The Porsche 928 is a sporty car with its engine in the front, unlike most Porsches that have the engine in the back. It was made to be comfortable for long drives and is different from the usual Porsche style.
The Porsche 928 is a grand tourer produced by Porsche from 1978 to 1995. It features a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout with a V8 engine, differing from the traditional rear-engine layout of the 911.
"Or a 928s. Like this thing feels like a Corvette. Like, so it's just when you get there."
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and sporty car made in the USA that many people think of when they imagine a cool race car. It’s known for being powerful but not too expensive compared to other sports cars.
The Chevrolet Corvette is an American sports car icon known for delivering high performance at a relatively affordable price. It has evolved through multiple generations, each improving in power, technology, and design. The Corvette is often referenced as a benchmark for American muscle and sports cars.
""944s, I think aesthetically are just so beautiful. But like, but then you start mixing, you're like, oh, I can have like a 911 and a transaxle.""
The Porsche 944 is a sporty car with the engine in the front and the transmission at the back, which helps it drive smoothly. Many people find it very good-looking and fun to drive.
The Porsche 944 is a sports car produced from 1982 to 1991, known for its balanced handling due to its front-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout and transaxle design. It is appreciated for its aesthetics and driving dynamics.
""But like, but then you start mixing, you're like, oh, I can have like a 911 and a transaxle. If I had a 944 and a 911, I mean, what could be different or a 928, 911, you know, something""
A transaxle is a part of the car that puts together the gears and the part that turns the wheels. It helps the car drive better by spreading the weight evenly.
A transaxle is a drivetrain component that combines the transmission and differential into a single unit, often located at the rear of the car. This setup helps with weight distribution and handling, especially in front-engine cars.
"And I had the air-cooled Bugman. And so, you know, for a period of time, I would only have air-cooled cars in my garage."
Air-cooled means the engine stays cool by air blowing over it instead of using water or liquid. This was common in older Porsche cars.
Air-cooled refers to an engine cooling method that uses air flowing over the engine to dissipate heat, rather than a liquid coolant. Porsche used air-cooled engines in their 911 models until 1998.
"...and. So, I had boosted out of, I think it was an E92 M3 and basically came up with that cash out of th..."
The BMW 3 Series is a popular car that is comfortable to drive every day but also feels sporty and fun. Many people like it because it looks nice and handles well on the road.
The BMW 3 Series is a compact executive car that has long been celebrated for its blend of performance, luxury, and everyday usability. It is often considered the benchmark for sporty sedans and has been produced in many generations with various body styles. The 3 Series is frequently discussed for its driving dynamics and role in BMW's brand identity.
"... So, I had boosted out of, I think it was an E92 M3 and basically came up with that cash out of that ..."
The BMW M3 is a faster and sportier version of the regular BMW 3 Series. The E92 M3, made a while ago, has a strong engine that makes it exciting to drive but still okay to use every day.
The BMW M3 is the high-performance version of the 3 Series, engineered for enhanced power, handling, and sporty aesthetics. The E92 M3, produced from 2007 to 2013, is particularly noted for its naturally aspirated V8 engine and balanced driving experience. It is highly regarded among enthusiasts and often discussed for its blend of daily usability and track capability.
"But then you add in the additional maintenance sometimes of the fickle air cooled world of oil leaks or carb tuning or, you know, SAE lights and or whatever it might be."
Carb tuning means adjusting a part of the engine called the carburetor that mixes air and gas to help the car run well. It's important to keep the car running smoothly.
Carb tuning refers to adjusting the carburetor, a device that mixes air and fuel for internal combustion engines. Proper tuning is essential for optimal engine performance and fuel efficiency, especially in older cars that use carburetors instead of fuel injection.
""You know, I'll bring a trailer for example. And even just in other ways, I mean, I got, I got taken advantage of.""
Bring a Trailer is a website where people can buy and sell special cars by bidding on them, kind of like an online auction. It helps people find cool and rare cars that aren’t usually sold in regular car lots.
Bring a Trailer is an online auction platform specializing in classic, enthusiast, and collector cars. It has become a popular marketplace for buying and selling unique and rare vehicles, often with detailed listings and community bidding.
"of talking heads, talking about the do's and don'ts of certain models, the buying guides of certain models. I mean, it's like, it's almost like they went to school and hopefully they can try to circumnavigate some of that pain."
Buying guides are like helpful instructions that tell you what to look out for when buying a car, so you don't get stuck with problems later.
Buying guides are detailed resources that help prospective car buyers understand the strengths, weaknesses, common issues, and market considerations of specific car models to make informed purchasing decisions.
"... start to whittle it down. And so I have this 93 Land Cruiser things, gorgeous killer truck. It's from the Pac..."
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a big, strong car that can drive on rough roads and last a very long time. The 1993 version is popular because it’s tough but also comfortable to ride in.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a legendary off-road SUV known for its durability, reliability, and capability in harsh environments. The 1993 model is part of the 80 Series, which is highly regarded for combining ruggedness with comfort. It is often celebrated by enthusiasts who value long-lasting vehicles that can handle tough terrain.
"...I have two four posts, and then like I thought there was like a lift that kind of goes off the side of one of your lifts..."
A four-post lift is a big machine with four tall poles that lifts a car up so you can work underneath it or park another car below it.
A four-post lift is a type of automotive lift with four vertical posts that support a platform to raise vehicles for maintenance or storage. It is commonly used in garages for working under cars or stacking vehicles.
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Welcome to Renthusiast Radio, the podcast where Will and Derek navigate the winding roads of Porsche Obsession,
exploring the good and the bad of Porsche ownership.
Grab your favorite beverage, pull up a chair, and join us at Renthusiast Radio
because life's too short not to talk about Porsches.
Welcome to Renthusiast Radio. I'm Derek.
I'm Will.
So, everyone, about a year ago, Will and I did an episode in which we talked about having multiple Porsches.
And as sometimes what happens, Will, we devolved into some of the issues we had,
having multiple cars in terms of cost and sometimes the pains of having that.
And you and I got to talk on the other day and we were like, you know what,
especially as your garage continues to grow and lately mine,
it's like there's so many great things about having more than one car.
So what if we kind of talked about whether it's having two cars or more?
What are some of the benefits, the benes of having these cars and this hobby?
And so that's kind of the way we're going to lay out this episode is Will and I are going to talk about
maybe some of the tips and tricks that we've figured out in owning a couple different cars,
maybe make it a little bit easier on the wallet because obviously they can get kind of expensive.
And really just some of the things that we've come to appreciate about owning these cars.
Right, Will?
Yep, sounds good.
And that was funny during your intro there when we...
You started talking about, hey, a year ago we did this episode and we were talking about owning multiple Porsches
and then we started bitching about all the problems about it.
And I'm like, man, we sounded like a couple of douchebags.
Like talking about first world problems.
Oh my God, guys complaining because he's got problems with his multiple Porsches.
So if you are a listener and you were around for that episode,
sorry if we came across as a couple of douchebags, but maybe we are a couple of douchebags.
And so I guess we were on point.
I'd like to think I'm douchebag adjacent.
Maybe not complete douchebaggery, but...
I'm old enough I don't care.
It comes from a good place.
It comes from a good place.
Listen, when you get together with friends and you're talking about something and it's something you know really well,
for some reason it always slants to bitching.
And I don't know why.
And because we've said douchebag and bitching so many times at the beginning of this podcast,
I'm sure we're not going to be up on the algorithm, but that's where we stand.
And that's our disclaimer, right?
I think we did this disclaimer when we did this episode before.
All right, listen, we're going to be talking about having more than one Porsche.
And that inherently is douchey because quite frankly, we're incredibly lucky and we appreciate that.
But with that being said, well, go from there.
Yeah, douchebag disclaimer out of the way.
No, you know, I'm going to come at this from a little bit of a different perspective, Derek.
And it's not going to be about like specific cars or what I found that I liked most about the 997.2,
but really for me, it's kind of big picture lessons I've learned.
You know, there's plenty of room for you and me to continue to sing the praises of our various acquisitions such as,
you know, my recent purchase of the 996 GT3 that I picked up.
Killer car, by the way, I just published a video on my initial impressions on that on my channel.
So if you're a 996 GT3 guy, go there.
And Derek recently fell into the trap of impulse purchasing a very cool car.
You want to plug that real quick, Derek?
Then we'll get back to the big picture lessons learned from owning multiple cars.
Yeah, so I just took delivery.
I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to roll it out.
So I'm going to be a little mysterious maybe for one more week,
just as I try to figure out the best way to do it.
But let's just say that it's a car that I've never owned before.
It's a car that I've always been really curious about and I got a really nice example mechanically of it.
But it's certainly no cream puff.
And so it's kind of a car that I think that a lot of our listeners might look forward to purchase.
And I know that seems super vague and I'm sorry out there,
but just trying to figure out how to roll it out completely.
Circling back to your GT3 though, Will, your video dropped the other day
and it's really kind of taken off.
I know a lot of people in the comments were really, really curious about the GT3 ownership,
especially 996.
I feel like, I mean, all GT3s have this mystique,
but I feel like the 996, like people are like, well, this is the beginning of the, you know, the role.
This is super special real quick for the audio audience.
You know, what are your immediate impressions?
You've had it now for a couple of weeks.
Love it.
It is a car that needs some sorting.
It needs some dialing in.
It feels nervous.
You know, I published the video.
It was kind of a driver point of view where I'm narrating along my opinions on the car
and just what the experience is in the first 200 miles of ownership.
To answer your question is a special car.
I mean, it has presence when you fire up that mesmer motor.
I mean, it's like you're in, you know, a traditional 996 until you start the engine and then it,
and then it lights up.
Yeah, dude.
The car is an animal.
I mean, it feels dangerous.
And I think that there's plenty of stuff out there telling you why, but there are no nannies on that car.
So love it and very happy with it.
I'm going to have to be putting some money into it and some time and effort and I'll document all that on my channel as well.
But all in all, thumbs up.
I mean, the 997.1 GT3 has become for me and my personal economy unattainable.
So that's why I like the 996 GT3 is it's still like it's the cheapest.
If that's, I hate to use cheapest and a hundred and plus thousand dollar car, but really in the world of GT3 is that's true.
It's the last.
It's all relative.
Yeah, it's the cheapest GT3 you can get.
So I think it's going to come up.
That's a lot of words to say fantastic car and you and I can discuss it as the story unfolds.
It's interesting you use the words nervous and dangerous multiple times describing the car.
It definitely, it kind of seems like a beast, but like, are you, are you not at the place where you're like glowing about it yet?
Because it's not sorted.
So you don't feel like it's, you can really give it a fair shake.
What are you really asking?
Well, what I'm really asking is, you know, like how people always talk about like the early 911 turbos about, you know, their scary cars, their dangerous cars, their nervous cars, unless you know how to drive them.
But on modern tires, modern compound, they're actually not.
Yeah.
Like with this GT3, do you kind of feel like you don't, it's not at a place where you really want to, in your mind, review it yet because it has to have some things fixed?
Or do you feel like maybe this is a little bit too much like track car and less street car?
No.
So what's been really cool.
Okay.
So if we're going to talk about this, let's talk about this.
What has been cool is I shared the car on Instagram when I first bought it.
And that's the only place that I shared it for, I don't know, four or six weeks, man.
And then I finally got around to shooting this video because it's been snowy and I just, I don't know.
So share the car on Instagram.
I mean, it was like five pictures and maybe a video.
I don't even know.
But anyway, the point is this is I started getting messages from guys who are 996 GT3 guys.
And like there is a huge like rabid subculture of guys who own these cars that love them.
And so they started to tell me, I'm getting emails from these guys.
In fact, I got an email from a man who has another slate gray metallic 996 GT3, which is the color I have, which is a one of 17.
So it's almost like we were brothers inside of another brotherhood, a sub brotherhood.
Well, do you think about it?
You have the GT3 brotherhood, then you have the 996 brotherhood, both are niche, both are rabid in their own, right?
And then you put it together.
Yeah, yeah.
So then you're going down to the color nerd level.
But anyway, what I was going to say to you, man, is that what was nice about it is this guy shared with me massive amounts of just free information in this email.
It was a novel about all the common things I need to be looking at and probably what's going on with my car.
And then actually we jumped on the phone for 30 minutes and he talked to me more about it.
Yeah, dude.
So to answer your question, I have started to push on the car more.
I think the car needs an alignment based on what the gentleman was talking to me about.
The suspension probably needs to be seen too.
The biggest kind of surprise that I heard is that it could be the differential that's going that's causing some weird pushing issues around curves.
And it makes sense because it's feeling like it's coming out of the back end a little bit.
It's hard to describe.
So, dude, glowing review.
I cannot wait to get it sorted.
My mechanic has been out of town and been busy.
So he's actually going to pick it up in a couple of days and we're going to dig into it.
So I like it a lot now.
I know I'm going to love it.
I can't wait to push on it.
I do think the man that I spoke with, the Slate Gray brother, he said, man, if you can drive a 993 at pace on back roads,
then you're going to be just fine with this car because you're going to know what you're doing.
Now, my plan with this car is this too.
I've never done a PCA track event, Derek.
I'm going to take this car on track because I want to find the limit in a protected environment.
I don't want to find the limit of the car into a guardrail on the side of a mountain in western North Carolina.
Sorry to take us off the multiple Porsche lessons learned deal or best things about owning multiple cars, but you asked, so I'm telling you.
And it's just cool to follow up with you.
I haven't been able to chat with you about that car very much, so it's nice to know.
Just make sure when you pick a track, pick a track with lots of runoff.
Don't get a tight track with walls.
VIR is less than an hour away from me, so I've run that track many times and I'll be careful though.
The last thing I want to do is throw the thing into a tire wall.
Got it.
Cool.
Well, first and many congratulations again on that.
It's a hot car, but let's roll back to owning multiple Porsches and kind of the mindset and the ownership goals of that.
So why don't you kick us off?
So I have to say this.
Some of the things that are here, and I got my notes I keep looking over here, that are benefits or lessons learned or positives that have come out of buying and selling multiple Porsches in a rather short period of time, kind of like you and I do in and out, in and out.
Some of these are about that, but also like, I mean, I'm on YouTube.
I've been on YouTube for a while, so some of the benefits or the positives have come from that as well.
But the first big one for me has been because I've been in and out and I've purchased from so many like different sources, many of which were private party, but also dealers, but also kind of other areas that I won't share.
Like I've developed a network of people, entities, ways of finding cool off market cars that I don't know would have happened for me if I only like bought one Porsche every five years.
Does that make sense?
It makes complete sense.
Especially because you're starting to look for more specialized cars, whether it's because of color or condition or even just the model.
I was talking with one of my clients the other day and he is looking for a car and we were talking about where he should source it.
And it's such a special car.
It's like, you're not going to find this on Facebook Marketplace.
You're not going to find this at the indie mechanic down the street that has a couple of 996s out in the front window.
It's like you have to start reaching out and talking to people that are in those verticals.
And so I completely understand what you mean.
Yeah, I would hate to have to start that process from scratching in.
I mean, you're really talking about networking.
Networking.
It's work.
It is.
And it's time.
It's time.
You get friends sending you listings as soon as they hit the market so you can snatch them.
If there's something you're looking for, I did that recently.
I've got another car inbound.
In fact, it's supposed to get delivered here in like 30 minutes.
I'll get into that later.
Yeah, dude, I'm sick.
But it was a result of a friend who...
It was one of those things.
So that's been something for me.
What do you want to do?
Do you want to go back and forth or do you want me to just get on my list or what?
No, no, we can definitely go back and forth.
Though I will say one of the nice things, we talk about work and people are like, well,
how do you find these people?
How do you connect with these people?
Especially with your YouTube history, having exposure to some people that would take your
call, maybe not have time for other people.
I know a guy who found a killer, beautiful, still in the rapper 930 because he was at
a car show and it was there and he walked up to the owner and he's like, this is my
dream car.
I've been looking for this car for three years.
Is it for sale?
And the guy was like, no, no, this is my baby.
And he's like, okay, I completely understand if you ever, ever are thinking about letting
it go.
Here's my card.
Here's my cell phone.
I'm not going to mess with you on price.
Please call me.
And he did two years later because I think he was remodeling his kitchen and had to let
it go.
But with that being said, that goes, we've talked about this.
If you can take away the friction on the idea of selling a car, someone who's on the fence,
they might lean into it, right?
I was just sitting here for those who were like watching the video version of this.
I was just kind of shaking my head.
And the only reason I was shaking my head is I've heard that story before, you know,
like the guy that he spots the car that's in the neighbor's garage and he's begging him
to sell it and he doesn't.
And then eight years later, he says, okay, it's time.
I couldn't imagine.
I am the most impatient son of a bitch.
I made a lot of mistakes buying cars too because I just am so impetuous and so impatient.
But God bless somebody that can take that long game approach, you know?
Yeah.
But you know what?
You plant enough of those seeds, Will, right?
Like you find, you know, as long as you're not looking for like a crazy specific color
that is super rare, but like you go to enough people and say like, for example, I have two
or three people that I have a standing offer.
They want to buy my red Boxster, you know?
They're like, when the time comes, like we want to buy it.
And I'm like, all right, that's cool.
If I get tired of it, I'll call you.
I've had that too.
It's just nice to know.
I've had that too.
Talk is cheap.
Talk is cheap.
Are these viewers?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, where are they?
Call them.
I had like 10 people.
What the hell?
It was my, it was my Boxster that I had and like, you know, seven something guys would
tell you when you're ready to sell.
Let me know.
And so I've reached back out to them.
Yeah, everybody, oh, I found one or, oh, you know, I'm no longer in the market or like
I got to sell my S2000 or whatever the story was.
Yeah.
So, okay.
I kind of think, so one of the things that I love when I think about a multiple car garage,
if there's a piece of advice I can give to someone is try to have, if you're going to
have two different Porsches, have one that always works and then have one that's special.
And whether that means like a Cayenne in a 911 or a Cayenne in an old 911 or like in
my case a 72 911 that needs a lot of maintenance, a lot of upkeep.
And then I have an 014 Boxster that, you know, you can get in and drive and has air conditioning
and it's a much more, you know, dailyable car.
It's just what it is, it's kind of nice.
And we're going to talk a little bit about, at least I'd like to talk about the idea of
not having like overlapping experiences.
I think that's super important when you start talking about having multiple cars.
But even more so, if you have two cars that need maintenance all the time, like, or if
you have two project cars that you're working on, you're not going to be driving either
of them, you're going to get frustrated.
And so, if you want a special maybe like a 356 that can be a little temperamental or
that it's, you know, if it's too hot out, it's not going to be enjoyable to drive.
If it's over 90 degrees or if it's too cold.
And then you have another car that's like, all right, I can always hop in my, try it
in true Boxster.
I can drive my Boxster and I know that it's great all the time.
I find having that usability is important because you still have a sports car, but then
you have your special car that you can enjoy in certain instances.
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I try to have all mine running tip top shape at any given time.
I'm not really a project car guy either.
It's just not in my wheelhouse.
I love the idea of project cars.
I know you do, but you're a DIYer guy.
You're not scared to get your hands dirty.
I'm just not.
It's just not you.
I've tried over the years.
I can inevitably screw up the project.
Every time I'll strip something or I'll lose something, it falls between the seats.
I don't know, man.
I just leave it to the experts.
Will, listen, please don't misunderstand me at all.
If there's a right way and a wrong way to do something, I'll do it the wrong way two
to three times before I get the right way.
It's not a 50-50 for me, even though I am a DIYer and I don't have a lot of time nowadays
to be a DIYer with all this media stuff that we're doing and all that.
I love the idea of it.
My brother and I talk about it all the time.
We're on Facebook Marketplace constantly.
We're sending racks back and forth, pieces of absolute crap.
What about this?
There is an idea of having something in your garage you just tinker with over time.
If that's your only Porsche, that would get really frustrating.
In the multiple garage that we're talking about, I think certainly that probably doesn't fit.
Yes.
All right.
Something else that I'll talk to you about and try to think, I really need to dial.
I think I've owned 21 Porsches over the past.
Oh, my goodness.
What would it be?
Seven years, right?
21 and seven years.
Yeah.
At various times, I mean, clearly to make all that work, I had multiple cars in the garage
at the same time.
I'd cycle one out, cycle another out, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
I need to nail that because it's just something that I refer to often and I really need to have the number accurate.
I've avoided coming up with the total because it's going to make me sick.
Because it's going to make you...
But then immediately you start thinking about all the money you've spent on these cars,
fixing them up and immediately selling them.
And insurance.
Just think about insurance.
And every time you buy something new, especially like you got to register it and it's the taxes
and it's the highway use bullshit, all that.
At any rate, I say that to say that owning those cars and going through this journey has allowed me to really dial in my taste and determine what's important to me.
So early on, what I thought was important was to have a mint, perfect paint, beautiful, collectible Porsche sitting in the garage.
And I learned lessons from owning cars like that.
Like, hey, this car holds me hostage.
I don't want to put miles on it.
I get scared one of the kids is going to drop their bicycle against it.
All of these things that really prevented me from doing what I enjoyed, which is driving.
And fast forward to today.
Now I know what I like.
Not only do I know what I like about the kind of experiences I have in the garage.
I know what I like in terms of when I step out into my garage and what I want to see.
I've learned like what...
You talk about this a lot when it comes to colors too.
Like you're a color guy.
Yeah.
So I've also learned what modifications are smart and which ones aren't.
So over time as you own multiple cars, some at the same time, some not,
you really start to dial in your knowledge and taste of what you want out of your ownership experience.
That's what's happened for me.
Yeah.
It's a distillation over time.
You start off...
Well, I mean, really when you think about it, isn't it?
You're so susceptible at the beginning about what the internet tells you you should like.
You're listening to all this sage advice by keyboard warriors telling you what's good and bad
and what models to stay away from and what are the redheaded stepchildren of the Porsche line up
and stay away from those.
Dude, back in the day, I passed on so many what they call mid-year 911s.
Those are the mid-70s, 911s.
I had one.
Love it.
Love it.
Yeah.
Great, great cars.
The weight is so much lighter.
And every single one of those motors made of magnesium, they would fall apart, explode,
kill everyone in your family, stay away from that car.
It's a piece of shit.
And then right back up with that, the 964 in the early 90s, don't touch them.
They're trash heat.
They all leak.
They're terrible.
And so I passed on so many cars back in the day.
And so I kind of feel like what you're saying is you listen to that,
but then you get a little whisper and you're like, oh, wait.
All right.
I kind of like that.
I kind of like how that mid-70s drives.
It's light.
It's flickable.
And then you realize that that's just some person's experience over time.
And I think that kind of comes back to what I was saying earlier is when you talk about
your Porsche lineup and having more than one car, it's like you want to stack experiences.
You don't want to repeat them.
Like you don't want to have, like if you're going to have two cars, don't have them be
like cars.
Like it's okay to have two air-cooled cars, but you try to stretch them, right?
To either end of the air-cooled, what's the word, like a spectrum, right?
So like an early air-cooled and then a late 80s air-cooled or a 993 or something like
that, you know, or what's even better is an air-cooled water-cooled.
Like what a great handling.
Or if we're not talking about 911s, gosh, everyone out there.
Like you have to understand like how amazing some of those transaxle cars are.
And there's such a different departure.
I know you're smirking Will because you don't want to.
I don't mean to.
Like you know what?
I'm probably not.
It's one of those things of if you know, you know, so I probably look like a total
buffoon that I can't appreciate them.
You know what it is?
I just haven't gotten, I haven't gone down that path yet because I haven't scratched
every single other model itch, but pretty soon I'll get there, you know?
Well, it may be or maybe you won't because maybe you just don't like how they look.
You know what I mean?
People feel that way about 914s until you drive them.
And then you're like, wow, these really are special.
They really are cool.
They don't, they don't feel like a Porsche, but they do feel like a Porsche.
They're just different and they're really cool.
Or a 928s.
Like this thing feels like a Corvette.
Like, so it's just when you get there.
944s, I think aesthetically are just so beautiful.
But like, but then you start mixing, you're like, oh, I can have like a 911 and a transaxle.
If I had a 944 and a 911, I mean, what could be different or a 928, 911, you know, something
like that.
So anyways, I feel like it's really important whether it's from an engine layout standpoint,
like you don't want to have two mid-engines, two front engines, two rear engines.
Try not to have an overlap of transmissions.
Like if you're going to have, you're going to have a PDK, that's awesome, but have a manual
and you're stable if you're going to have multiple cars.
Just mix it up because you want a completely different experience when you get in these
cars.
I know a lot of people that love 928s.
944 is definitely, but I feel like this is a 928 problem, not a problem.
This is a 928 phenomenon where people that have 1,928, they have like six 928s.
Like for some reason, people love them so much they buy like six of them and they just
have them in their yard and they just love them.
And it's, I can understand it, but I also like, I want to be like, there's so many other
portion of experiences that you could enjoy instead of just being so deep in the same
type of car.
But who am I to say?
Yeah.
I mean, I think we all enjoy it in different ways.
And so it's just interesting to me to hear that.
I hadn't really heard that before, but there's just, I guess there's as many ways to enjoy
the car hobby as there are human beings.
Here's another example of kind of dialing in my preferences over the course of years.
So like early on, like my first, my first real like ownership experience of a 911 was a 993.
And I had the air-cooled Bugman.
And so, you know, for a period of time, I would only have air-cooled cars in my garage.
I mean, I had...
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The newer cars are faster, they're more reliable, there's more bells and whistles.
Did you read something online that people are like, if you're going to buy a Porsche, it has to be an air cooled, not a water cooled.
If you want that real Porsche experience, did that influence your first purchases?
And that's why you went from a 993?
Well, the 993 was the hot car when I was in high school.
I just always was like mesmerized by the design.
I had always wanted an air cooled Porsche.
I had been in BMW and there was just something about air cooled.
BMW guys would speak reverently about an air cooled Porsche.
And so, long story short, my first 993 was like 48 grand.
So, I had boosted out of, I think it was an E92 M3 and basically came up with that cash out of that car and bought the 993.
And just loved the character man.
And I fell into the air cooled scene and there's such culture around it.
And I found that the people that owned them weren't all douchebags.
They were like guys just like me who like to rip and they were from all sorts of different backgrounds, but we were all the same at the same time.
And so for a while, man, I was just like air cooled only, air cooled only.
Yeah, you felt like you found your people.
That's right, dude.
And at a certain point in time, I had a 69 in the garage.
I had a 76 and 86 and a 993.
And was there some overlap?
Yes, but I just loved how they all looked together.
And each one was different enough that it made sense.
But at any rate, fast forward to today, all these cars later.
Dude, I can only have one air cooled pusher and it's a 993.
Yeah.
I don't want the ownership hassle of owning multiple air cooled Porsches before it was like not a problem.
I loved it, you know.
And now it's just like I would much rather own cars that are under warranty or less susceptible to breakdown or all that.
And that's an example of dialing in your taste over the course of owning multiple cars, you know.
I think that the key phrase there is owning multiple cars because I wonder if you only had one car.
Actually, you've said this, that if you could only have one Porsche, it'd be your 993.
It's true.
Yeah.
And so I wonder that kind of like the Jay Leno thing, right?
When you start to have a lot of cars, unless you have a mechanic that's on staff, you want them all running because the friction of
taking them all to get registered, sure.
Tire, sure.
But then you add in the additional maintenance sometimes of the fickle air cooled world of oil leaks or carb tuning or, you know, SAE lights and or whatever it might be.
And you say, I just don't want that.
I just want to turn the key and get going.
I want air conditioning on nice days.
And I can see it for sure.
I guess it really depends on those people out there.
If they do have smaller, multiple Porsche garages or a larger, you know, because I guess once you get over probably 10 cars, I'm sure it doesn't matter.
You just have someone that handles it for you.
All right, man.
Let's talk about another one.
And this has to do with like the purchase process.
Okay.
Yep.
And it's sort of a no brainer, but it's an interesting leap.
So clearly, you know, the more of something you do, the better you become at it.
And as you own different models, you know, you start to pick up the jargon.
You start to just have memorized the common issues.
In short, you know what the hell you're doing.
So, you know, let's imagine guy who wants his first Porsche.
He engages with a dealer and he doesn't know the questions to ask.
He doesn't come across as somebody who's seasoned.
Maybe he doesn't do as good of a job at vetting the car and negotiating on the car.
And maybe the dealer doesn't take him as seriously.
Fast forward 20 cars.
Like all of a sudden when you engage with a dealer, like it is obvious, you know what you're doing, you know?
Yep.
And to me, it just seems like, A, you're able to build credibility and a relationship much more quickly
because you've been around the block and it's pretty obvious.
And also, I mean, just you're, it's like anything else in life.
This is a no brainer, but you're more adept.
Period.
Full stop.
And so the chances you're going to make a big mistake go way, way down.
And if I hadn't bought as many as I've bought and been through the pain of sorting, then there's just, it would not be like that, you know?
So in other words, I got instant credibility and know how when I engage in the buying process.
Also, potentially you're protecting yourself from getting taken advantage of.
I didn't want to say that, right?
Because that's a kind of a cynical negative attitude and we're going to be positive today.
Oh, did I take us on a bad road?
With, with air-cooled and I'm sure it's all of them, but I used to laugh with buddies about the shark infested waters of air-cooled.
There is, and maybe there was, COVID just, you know, during the feeding frenzy of everybody had to get an air-cooled Porsche.
There's a lot of unscrupulous people selling shit.
Yeah.
You know, I'll bring a trailer for example.
And even just in other ways, I mean, I got, I got taken advantage of.
We all know that will.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, there's something about the car business in a period.
I've told you the one, it's like, show me two honest guys, put them in a car deal.
I'll show you at least one or two liars.
Something about buying a car, selling a car, man turns an honest man into a dishonest man.
But at any rate, you are correct, man.
I mean, clearly you're better able to watch your six when you've been through the process over and over and over.
And you know the pain.
For me, early on, I was like, oh, you know, maybe I had to overlook some yellow flags in a PPI.
Man, no big deal.
You know, just cost me a little bit of money, not a big deal.
Well, meanwhile then like the thing shows up and you got to send the transmission out to get rebuilt.
Let that happen to you once.
You're going to be a little more cautious in the future.
It is very true that knowledge of course is power, but it also gives you the comfort to walk away.
Yes.
Like if you really know the market and you, yeah, cars are rare, you know, and these
Porsches, if you were looking for certain types, you know, it might be rare, but you can tell sometimes
when you're talking to, you know, people reach out to Will, people reach out to myself and ask help for like,
for the buying process and everything.
And it's one of those things where it's like, when you're talking to someone who's selling a car,
generally you can tell in about five minutes, if you've done this enough, the little things they're saying or not saying
that speak volumes about if you would want to do business with them, you know.
I mean, that's really just their vernacular, but then you start talking about the car and if you're standing next to it
and you see how they present the car, you just get to a point where you're like, all right, there's a lot of yellow flags here
and there's probably a lot of red flags that are hidden.
I'm just going to walk away.
And that gives you a level of power that, you know, kind of buying and selling or owning these cars.
Now, I hate to say that it happens because of pain.
Like, we are knowledgeable in this, Will, because we've gone, you know, through the torture so many times,
but I'll tell you, I think this is where YouTube is just such an unbelievable tool.
You know, you talk to people that are looking for a car and they've watched every video, tens of hours of video
of talking heads, talking about the do's and don'ts of certain models, the buying guides of certain models.
I mean, it's like, it's almost like they went to school and hopefully they can try to circumnavigate some of that pain.
Yep, 100%.
Okay, Will, I have one and this is really just more of a condition I find.
And I think this might come down to just being a car guy, being an impatient car guy, getting a car
and being happy for a couple of days, a week, a month, and then immediately or very quickly start to look for what's next,
you know, and it is like the boredom or scrolling issue and this is really just more of me on your couch.
This is an admission of I need help.
Again, I bring up my brother because we talk about this all the time, like, we'll get a car and we'll immediately,
we'll get it and we'll love it, but we'll, I'm still looking at Facebook Marketplace and I don't know why.
And so I think when it comes to owning multiple cars, if you have one or two and you're looking for a third,
like if you're looking to start a collection, that's great.
But if you're like not driving what you have because you're looking for something else,
I'm trying to be tougher with myself to be like, all right, listen, like hand on heart.
Are you happy with the cars you have right now?
Or should you divest yourself completely instead of keeping it and get something else?
Yeah, dude.
I mean, the answer to this is very, very easy.
You haven't bought the right ones.
I have my 2009 Carrera S, the manual, the Guards Red Car, bought it.
I was shocked.
I shot a video on it this morning.
It was like reasons why you want one of these cars.
And the reason I shot the video is I went and I looked at the odometer and then I went and looked at how many miles were on the car when I had it
or when I bought it.
I put 3,500 miles on the car and I think I've owned it for like a year or something.
I have not once thought about selling the car.
This is a record for me.
Yeah.
That's a long hold for you.
Yeah.
And the thought of selling has not even occurred to me.
So you know what?
Congratulations, Will.
Actually, I don't want to jinx it because next thing you know what downstairs and think about liquidating.
But no, my office is over top of the garage.
No, man, I just think it's the right car, at least for the moment.
My 993, 70,000 mile car, all original paint, dialed in PPF.
It hadn't even occurred to me to sell that car.
And those cars are coming up, dude.
I mean, I don't know what that car is, 120, 125.
That's a decent coin that you could go buy something really, really cool with, but it hadn't even occurred to me.
So I think your problem is you haven't found the right ones.
You haven't scratched the itch yet.
And or I think I have an accidental or incidental little collection going,
because the reason I bought this most recent one is I just can't bring myself to sell the ones, just like what you said.
Like my 72 Albert Blue, I love that car more than anything, and I'll never sell that.
But my 014 Bass Boxster, it's a stick.
It has sports exhaust.
It's a special car to me.
But I find myself driving it and I'm like, for the price of this car, $35,000, $40,000,
like, where am I going to get this experience?
I'm going to have to spend a lot more.
And it's a really great car.
Go ahead.
That's part of the ownership equation that I've thought about from time to time.
There is a significant portion of the ownership enjoyment equation,
or call it a pie with percentages.
Like I think it's satisfaction that I'm getting a lot of value for the money.
And that becomes kind of a preventative way.
Like you don't want to sell the car because there's something to that, you know what I mean?
And so I think that makes a lot of sense.
You're starting to do what I do, which is I buy something.
I promise that I'll sell it before I buy the next thing,
because I'll just roll that cash into the next thing.
And then I'm like, shit, I can't bring myself to sell that.
And so then I come out of pocket to buy this.
And then I tell myself, hey, it's just another asset.
And if I need to sell it, I can just get the cash back out.
If I need it, you know, round and round we go.
Yes, but I'm in a locked battle with my beautiful wife,
because I want to put a third lift in over her bay and she's not having it.
But I'm like, where else am I going to put another acquisition?
Can't help you there, brother.
Can't help you there.
No marital advice?
All right, that's fair.
Well, let me ask me for that.
Let me throw this at you.
And this is going to fly in the face of everything we're talking about.
I see a lot of my friends doing this with their watch collections.
Well, you know, watches I feel are almost easier to go buck nutty,
because while they can be very expensive, they don't take up a lot of space.
So you can collect them and they sit in your collection and you can look at them
and you can wear them every day, but they don't take up garage space.
And I've been seeing with some of my friends, tell me if you've ever felt yourself there,
where like they've collected a lot of watches, they've gone down their ownership journey
of like they thought they were this guy and then they curated their collection
and it's grown and it went from two to six to 12
and now they just can't possibly wear all these watches.
I'm watching them pair down their collections.
I'm watching them sell their collections and taking five watches and turning it into one watch
or even more.
Something that they've always wanted that might be above or outside their reach,
but is like an amalgamation of all these watches together in one
that they can really appreciate.
Have you ever seen that?
You're talking about the waxing and waning of whatever we'd like to collect.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, going the other way, like let's say that you have a couple cars,
you have a multiple Porsche collection in your garage wheel
and you're either not driving them.
And again, I don't mean to be negative, but like,
but maybe those three cars could be one amazing car.
You know, something that you didn't think you could afford,
but if you, I'll do this sometimes.
I'll go sell two motorcycles and two cars and I'll just slam it all into whatever it was,
like a 991 or what have you, you know?
Yeah, dude.
I have eight cars right now.
It's like, there's no reason to do that.
So I've been in this place before, right?
Like I've been in this place before you start to get to a place where like,
okay, I need to start that car.
It doesn't need to be sitting.
Man, I got to take that for a drive and really rip on it because it needs it.
Well, when it starts to become a chore, you know, you have too many.
And that's the point in time where you got to,
you got to start to whittle it down.
And so I have this 93 Land Cruiser things, gorgeous killer truck.
It's from the Pacific Northwest.
Some of our listeners may be interested in this, others may not be,
but this generation of Land Cruiser is known as the equivalent of the last of the air cooled,
if that means anything.
But anyway, I mean, it's sitting in my driveway on a tender under two covers,
not just one, but I double covered it.
I don't ever drive it, but it kills me the thought of selling it, you know?
And so you get to this really weird place,
and I don't know if you've been there where it's like,
yeah, I should probably sell this, but I just can't bear to sell it.
And so I think that all the mental calculations that we have with these,
and it's all just meant to justify to ourselves why we should keep the cars that we know we should, you know?
And it is great that from a value standpoint, a lot of them continue to appreciate,
so we can use that as ammunition in our personal mental arguments about why it makes sense to keep more than we should.
It's what you tell your wife, isn't it?
Oh, it just makes sense. Trust me, I'm actually really, I'm a brilliant guy.
Because guess what?
I bought it for 100, and I'm going to sell it for 120.
She sees right through me well.
Don't worry about the 15K of sorting and the rest and insurance and taxes.
Don't worry about that. We don't talk about that.
No, no, though, if everyone on this listening to this podcast could comment below the video
and explain to my beautiful wife why it makes sense that a third lift makes a ton of sense in my garage,
that would be awesome.
Or even better, if someone could tell me a kind of lift,
I thought I heard about this one where it's a buddy lift, like I have two four posts,
and then like I thought there was like a lift that kind of goes off the side of one of your lifts,
so it's not like another four post.
It's almost like a buddy lift.
So if that exists out there and someone wants to sponsor me with a buddy lift, that would be great.
But I don't know, I'm going to get there, man.
Because like in my mind, it's just wasted air.
Like, I mean, put a car there, right?
Yeah, man.
So this is this has been it for me and I, you know, in the spirit of full transparency,
I just got a text from the text from the driver of the car that's being delivered.
So my friend, Derek, I got a run, man.
This is not common.
I don't usually just jump off the podcast,
but we have given these folks 41 minutes of mindless Porsche goodness.
I don't, and honestly, dude, I don't even know if we touched on the subject we meant to touch on.
We're just, we're drawn here, but I enjoyed it.
And maybe some people got something out of this.
We'll see.
Let us know down in the comments.
We'll figure that out.
Oh, good, Derek.
Always fun, man.
We'll see you next time.
Go enjoy your new car.
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