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Okay.

That's right, as I told Matt, this is the only place, Aaron, that you will find where you hit a round red button and it means go instead of stop.

Right?

So, hey everybody, welcome to the show, this is Shift and Steer, and welcome to the party pals.

It's Brad and Aaron today, Matt is traveling, he's traveling, and you know, he'll have some stories to tell when he gets back, I'm sure.

Maybe.

Maybe, maybe not, maybe he won't tell us, maybe he'll save them all.

Maybe he'll keep them all to himself.

Nice that way, that's how he rolls.

How's it going?

Good.

As you can see, I'm in a new space here, we got a little house in Sonoma for the winter, and I'm happy to be out of the snow, which Tahoe has no snow, so is it wasted red? I don't know, question mark.

You leave and it quits snowing.

Exactly.

But I did bring a bobcat down, apparently, I saw a bobcat on the cameras the other night, right downtown Sonoma, I guess there's bobcats.

There you go.

Are you preparing for the holidays?

Sure, the heaters on, and we bought some cake mix.

Some cake mix?

All right.

I'm kidding, I mean, it means you brought home some mixes that we're going to do for the holidays, but we don't really have any plans.

We're in a different place, it's a furnished house, it's just kind of a favor over the winter, so we don't have to deal with the snow, and so we really don't have any holiday plans.

No traveling, no nothing, just fuzzy socks and a fireplace on the TV screen.

Well, we're headed three weeks in Bali.

Oh, nice.

You mean Bali?

A little sun, a little fun, and some nice clear water and more weather, and that's what I'm doing.

Have you ever been to Bali?

No, I would love to go to Bali.

I haven't been either, I hear it.

I want one of those hotel rooms that are built out over the water on stilts, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those huts?

Oh, those are expensive.

Yeah, but that's the only way to go.

Oh, man, that's...

I watch it on a program, I'm like, wow, and I'm like, ooh.

Can you imagine just wake up in the morning and walk out in that crystal blue water?

Yeah, and you're brushing your teeth and just fall into the water.

Oops.

Yeah, awesome, awesome stuff.

Awesome.

But hey, we're here to talk about cars.

Talking about cars, the automotive world, and hey, I'm just going to do it right here at

the top of the show.

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That's bondspeedstreetwear.com.

It's all of our automotive apparel.

Do you know, Aaron, there's over 100 different styles there for men and women, and, you know,

I sure would appreciate it if you'd go there, check it out.

I'd really appreciate it if you bought something, and that's how we keep doing these shows, you

know, because we sure don't get paid to do them.

So we just need you guys to support our endeavors, like, you know, Aaron does his paintings and

Matt has his bravago, and I've got my wheels and my apparel.

So, you know, support us so we can do this.

And you would do an apparel for a long, long time, huh?

Yeah.

I mean, you know, in the 80s, we had Vision Streetwear, and then sold that, and then we

moved in, you know, and Boids, I started an apparel company.

It's called ShopRags.

And then back in 96, started Bonneville Speed and Supply.

I remember that, yeah.

Those were massive catalogs.

Yeah.

That morphed into Bonne Speed, California Speed and Design Studio, and now today it's Bonne

Speed Streetwear.

Wow.

You know, go to there, check it out.

You know, speaking of Bonne Speed and watches, I saw one of the BMW edition watches that

you did.

I think the one I bought from the old inventory, I just saw one in the classifieds on Facebook

for...

Oh, really?

Yeah.

I think it was $275.

It was the BMW edition, exactly like the one I got.

We did a ton of those.

Like tens of thousands of those worldwide.

Wow.

It was awesome.

I just saw one in the wild.

There you go.

One in the wild.

Speaking of one in the wild, I saw a Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo.

I just love those.

They're so cool.

And you had mentioned that Genesis is coming out with something similar to that, right?

Yeah.

Genesis just dropped a concept that they say could make it to production very quickly.

It's the G90 wingback, a performance wagon.

It's rad looking.

You saw the photos of it, isn't it?

Yeah.

I'm looking at the photos you sent now.

That thing is really...

That thing is cool.

If it was more affordable than the Cross Turismo, I'm like, oh, nope, nope.

Not really.

Who would have ever thought a Genesis would be less affordable than a Porsche?

I know, right?

But isn't Genesis like Acura and Lexus where it's kind of the, I mean, it's an independent

brand now, but isn't it just kind of a luxury version of something else?

Wasn't it Hyundai?

Yeah, it was Hyundai.

It was Hyundai.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's a luxury version of Hyundai.

But like the others, I think it's completely branched off now.

But yeah.

It's a good looking machine.

It's a good looking car.

It has much like the Audi wagon.

It's got old G sides.

Right.

RS5.

Long roof with a really angular back window and 22-inch wheels.

And they're saying the drivetrain could be about a 420 horsepower package.

That's respectable.

It depends how much it weighs, but it also looks kind of like the BMW M5 Touring.

I think it is.

It has that vibe to the RS5 M5 Touring and those Cross Turismos.

I love those.

They're a little long, but boy, they're cool.

Yeah, man, but they're all 100 plus.

Yeah, I know.

They're pricey little machines.

They're beautiful.

But you know this thing, cars have, we've talked about this before, cars have become

so expensive because of all the electronics, all of them.

And you know, I wish, I really do for performance people, some of these cars you could get stripped

down.

But I understand that the R&D, the engineering, everything like that, it's not just as easy

as just removing like a huge entertainment system or navigation or all that because once

they do the luxury version, they've already engineered all that and got all the development.

So to take it out doesn't really save any money.

No, and it's all integrated.

So systems work with systems.

I mean, it's funny, you know, I watch all the YouTube stuff and it's amazing how you

don't plug in a headlight when these guys are rebuilding these cars.

It's like you don't plug in a headlight and the car won't start.

It's just like, what?

You don't, you know, you don't connect a mirror and the car won't start, you know.

But even the seats, sometimes you leave the passenger seat out, if the passenger seat's

not plugged in, the car won't start.

You know, it's like they're so integrated.

It's just, it's...

I learned all about that when I built that Jaguar concept car for Jaguar for SEMA that

year and we put a new stereo in it.

And as part of the stereo, you know, we didn't use all of the plugs in the new head unit

that went in and we could not figure out why the car quit running.

It would not start, just like you said.

It would not start and the taillights wouldn't work and we're like, what the heck?

And so finally, you know, when you're building a concept car for a company, a major company

like that, you don't want to call them and go, hey, we broke the car.

Or, hey, we don't know enough to figure this out.

But we finally, after days and days, almost a week of trying to figure it out and it was

and amazingly enough, this was, you know, the internet was around but it wasn't like it is today,

like, you know, all the YouTube videos on.

So we had no clue and this was pretty new at the time, this type of, you know, where they're

putting these buses in and everything and doing all of that.

And so I finally broke down, called my contact and he put me in touch with one of the guys in the

engineering and the guy goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

He goes, he goes, I'm surprised to get this long to call us.

He goes, and he started explaining to me how everything worked.

So was it a ground thing?

No, it was, everything has to be connected to complete the connections and because we eliminated

some of the plugs with the aftermarket stereo, it wasn't talking.

So he says, these little clips that you plug into the empty ones.

Oh, a termination clip.

Yeah.

And spins it around and tells it, okay, connection complete.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Put those in.

Simple as putting those in.

Car started right up.

The rear taillights work and I'm like, are you kidding me?

You know.

And what year was this?

I'm going to say 2003, maybe 2004.

Yeah.

All the way back in 2003.

Yeah.

So, you know, I had that.

I was going to, I was going to re body a smart car with an I said, if you remember a while

about, and that was issue I had is that you had to terminate so many systems, not just

like plug-ins, but, but modules and systems that it's like I started to look it up and

I'm going, I can't do it because that little smart car was made by Mercedes.

Right.

And Mercedes is notorious for having electrical stuff like that as well, you know, the Germans.

And, and so I gave up on that idea and I said that I kept is so analog and has a type three

bug motor in it.

And I'm like, I got to do a soak up fuel power and, and, and, and, you know, that's it really

and throttle control and, and it's running and driving, which it's running and driving

now.

But yeah, it's like, it's like some of these body swaps.

And, you know, I'm so intimidated to do an LS swap and anything.

And even though we have systems like Haltech and all that, they still have to be programmed

and they still have to be dyno and they still have to be, you know, written.

And so I've never tackled something like that.

And, and it's, it's really, it's really easy.

I've done three or four of them and, and they're pretty easy, especially with what you said,

all the technology that's available today.

And unless you're trying something totally off kilter, you know, where it's like, what,

you know,

Well, you look at these body swaps and I mean, some of them are pretty tasty.

Like, oh, wow, that, that wheelbase fits on that.

You know, a lot of, a lot of them are doing Mercedes SLK swaps now.

I guess the wheelbase to that fits a lot of classic vehicles.

I mean, there's a wide, but, but a lot of people are doing really cool body swaps.

On SLK switcher pennies on the dollar.

But it's the same.

It's, and I guess they're not quite as sophisticated where if you have a seat that's not in there,

it's not going to not start.

But yeah, it's like, I want to tackle something, but that has all changed so much.

I'm looking something up, but the we did a car at Boyd's back in.

I'm going to say 93.

And it was a guy brought us a 300 sedan.

And he wanted, you know, at the time this was before LS motors.

He wanted, you know, a crate small block Chevy put in it and he wanted it hotrodded.

And our guys were good and they could not figure out how to make hardly anything.

Oh man.

Once they took the motor out.

Yeah.

It was, it was so ridiculous, you know, because there's so much even back then, you know, and,

and those early anti-lock brake systems on them that were kind of hydraulic, you know,

and just a lot of weird stuff that it was just hours and hours of trying to figure that out.

Well, you need to be at that's why there are technicians now and not mechanics.

Yeah.

Everything comes with a laptop and a port.

Exactly.

We got coming in and look at all, you know, buff and he comes in with his pocket protector.

I don't have to figure anything out anymore.

So I got plenty of time to work out.

You know, even, even on our Jeep, when we, when we had links, well, put the dash, you know,

that beautiful big screen and there was a lot of modules.

So, so they had to develop a lot of separate modules.

There's space is so tight in that dash for the Jeep, there really is no room for stuff.

It's very crowded and condensed.

And because Jeeps have a very shallow dash for those of you that don't know, it's literally eight inches deep if that.

And there's structural stuff in there too.

So there really isn't any room behind the gauge or a screen.

And, and yeah, they had all these modules for every system, even in the Jeep.

You know, I mean, if you take the seat out of a Jeep to my knowledge, it doesn't, you know, it runs just fine.

But, but, but that screen, a lot of stuff goes through that screen.

And I finally got my windshield replaced, which just cracked again.

A rock hit it on the way down from Tahoe and my brand new screen that's like a month old windshield is cracked again.

But anyway, I get hit with rocks all the time.

I'm always chipping windshields and, you know, it's like, and it doesn't matter.

I was coming to work the other day.

I'm, I'm driving and there's my exits coming up and I'm always in the far right lane to take my exit.

But there was some jack-a-mo going like 40 miles an hour down the freeway.

And I got behind him and I got frustrated.

So I got all the way over in the left hand lane.

I was in the left hand lane.

I'm coming up to my exit and I'm just thinking about going over and I thought I hit something, man.

I mean, it was, it was this big crash.

And I felt, I literally felt the impact, you know, like the sound.

Wow.

Yeah.

And I was like, ah, what did I hit?

Just then I look over and a cement mixer had blown his tire.

And you know, they got those giant tires on them.

Yeah.

They're not even like semi-tires.

They're like.

And thick wall because of the weight.

They have, they have like a 12 ply or more.

And this thing exploded, man.

And he, it exploded right off the rim.

It went down on the rim and then the rim hit the pavement and started throwing, you know, parts of the pavement up.

And I was like, wow, what told me to get all the way over?

Because I just got hit by a few little things, but nothing much.

But this big, huge piece of tread went flying, hit some dude's Lexus that was right alongside him, wiped out.

I looked in my room, the windshield was all cracked and broken over and a couple other cars were pulling over.

And I was like, man, that, that would have been gnarly to get hit by all that stuff, you know.

Oh my gosh.

Well, you see trailers on the side of the road and the whole side of the trailer is just wiped out.

And it's because they had a blowout.

Yeah.

I've been lucky to never have really shred the tire.

I did in my rat rod one time, but it just, it just, the center came off the front tire and went airborne.

And I was able to pull off the side of the road because I wasn't going that fast anyway.

But I've never had a tire separate other than that.

But man, when you see him, it's, it's, it's devastating.

Well, Misha was driving the Jeep coming down from Tahoe.

I was in front of her and the defender way in front of her because, because, because we got caught up and some traffic.

So, but she was, she said all alone, there was no one coming the other way.

And she was just driving down the road and something mysteriously came and hit the windshield.

But she said the same thing.

It was so loud and she doesn't know what it was like, like she never saw it.

There was no debris, like something just hit the windshield out of no way.

Was it a man or a woman?

Yeah, right.

A squirrel, a squirrel teeth first with a nut.

And it's my mouth.

But yeah, she said, she just barely, barely saw something coming at her.

But there was nothing.

There was no cars.

There was no trucks.

Like there was, it just came out of nowhere.

Yeah.

And correct.

And I had just ordered.

In fact, I'm talking to them.

They just messaged me now windshield defense that they have an office in Vegas and I forget where they're out of some more back east.

Anyway, but I asked them if they make them for defenders.

It's a three stage windshield screen.

It's like a PPF that goes over your windshield, but there's three layers.

So we talked about it before.

I finally ordered one and it got delivered a few days ago up in Tahoe.

And unfortunately windshield cracked against and I got to get a new windshield before I put it on.

But you never put on a brand new windshield.

Literally, I'm going to get the windshield, have it installed and put it on, clean it really, really well.

But put it on literally like, like hours after the windshield cares.

But I'm talking to them now if anyone's interested about making some for Land Rover defenders for the classic defenders.

So they're just asking me how many are imported in the country.

Like, can we justify it?

I'm going to, I'm going to give them a very big number, but I have to make sure it's remotely accurate.

But yeah, so hopefully we get some new development.

This is the position I love that we're in, in life in the world, you know, is that we can approach a company like this and go, hey, do you make them for my car?

And now it looks like we're going to not really co-develop something, but at least, you know, I'll help initiate possibly a new product for us classic defender guys that have the same exact problem that Jeeps do.

I thought you were, I thought you were saying you were loving that word as podcasters and in the automotive area that we were in a position of our windshields broken and I was like, what are you talking about?

No, we all have X's, but I think we put them that far behind that we don't have to deal with broken windshields and baseball bats.

Yeah.

Hey, you know, as we move towards 2026, Hagerty, Hagerty Insurance, the car collector insurance company has started.

Well, they haven't started.

They released 11 vehicles that they think will go up in the most value as collector vehicles going into the next year, over the next year, I should say.

What's interesting about it, Aaron, is that it's a lot of them, you know, a lot of them are the majority of them, I should say are 1990s and 2000 years.

Yeah, interesting, huh?

Yeah.

The bull market list.

They range from 20,000 to 1.55 million.

So not much of a range.

It's, you know, pretty tight.

They're 1.55 million is kind of like a no-brainer.

It's kind of like throwing in that if everyone else fails, we'll know.

And that, of course, is the 2004 to 2007 Porsche Carrera GT.

Those just keep going up and up and up and up.

And then we're expensive to begin with.

Yeah, that's definitely a duh.

But you know what's interesting is the 06 to 13Z06 Corvettes.

Lower mileage, the better.

And it's, isn't it interesting because they come out with this Corvette Supercar, which I'm seeing more and more of them.

I don't know if you see them where you are, but man, down here in Orange County, I'm seeing those things everywhere.

In fact, I saw one yesterday, I think it was.

And it was all black, completely black with yellow calipers, and it looked good.

I liked it in that, you know, no stripes, no, you know, it was all blacked out.

It looked really, really pretty good.

But those 06, those rear wheel drive, 06s, front motor, I should say.

Front motor, 06s.

I still see them out and they still look good and they still look kind of, I mean, they haven't dated themselves, you know.

No, no, they really haven't.

In fact, I think they kind of look cool.

God, this is so mixed.

Every time I see one, I go, oh, is that the new one?

Oh, no, it's not.

That's right.

It's the other one.

It's like, it's so good looking and it's muscly and it's wide and it's flat and it looks a little more like a Corvette.

The new one looks a little more, I mean, it's a Corvette, but it's kind of Euro Corvette, you know, it is a new generation.

But every time I see one, I always go, oh, they look good when they're done right.

And the ZR1 version of that is just awesome.

Oh, yeah.

Just wow.

But yeah, the 06 looks really good.

You know what's interesting about them though?

And I'm trying to be unbiased here, but I cannot remember the last time I saw a young guy driving a Corvette.

Exactly.

A new Corvette.

Okay, a new Corvette.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just, the new one, the new generation, the supercar one, every guy I pull up next to is like, oh, you retired and got a Corvette.

You know, I mean, it's like, it's weird.

And even the 06s, they seem to be like, you have to be 50 and up to have one or something.

Yeah, totally.

Well, they're expensive, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I see guys down here driving supercars, you know, McLaren and Lamborghinis and stuff like that.

Those are expensive too, you know?

Yeah, but I don't know.

I don't know.

I think the person who's retiring has been dreaming about a Corvette for a long time, you know?

And they want to stay American, you know, the retired, I don't want to say blue collar worker, but I don't know.

My uncle James bought one too, and he retired as an electrician.

I think even before he retired, but he was probably in his 50s, and I remember he bought a brand new Corvette.

I think that generation too, actually.

Yeah, boy, that was just his pride and joy.

And I think then he bought the next generation too, a 06.

I think he bought a 06 in that generation too.

But yeah, I don't know.

It's kind of interesting though, when you look at it like that, you know, and it's, you know, it's funny that there's some videos online about, you know, the Corvette owners.

Right, right, right.

They always put them a certain kind of tennis shoes.

They got the gold chains, and when the Corvette guy shows up at the local, you know, cars and coffee, and they show them walking all pumped up and stuff, you know, it's, you know.

I think there's this one guy who does them.

And he's hilarious.

It's pretty funny.

I was going to say the one that surprised you the most.

I kind of knew about this a while ago because my buddy hit me to these a couple of years ago when I was looking at, not even a couple of years ago.

Do you remember when I was tripping about that old green sob wagon?

I think I showed you guys.

Me, she was like, no, I still, I still have that on my, on my favorites list.

My buddy's like, have you thought about the old sob 900 turbos?

And I'm like, no, man, I just, I remember Hans Zimmer had one, I used to drive him around in it.

And it was just such a car and, you know, reminds me of Hans, who's, you know, Hans is brilliant musically, but you know, is tasting cars.

I always found a bit dorky.

But yeah, they have an 85 to 93 sob 900 turbo on there.

And, and you folks have looked this up because you'll go, oh, those things.

I remember going to the dealership and looking at a, and looking at it at a sob.

And I remember opening the door and realizing it didn't have a kick panel.

It just right on the ground, you know, and I was like, what the hell, you know, it was weird.

And the key goes in the middle, like, like where the e-brake is.

Yeah.

It goes down there.

It's just, it's like, you got to raise your arm up or use your left arm and crossover.

And what do you, while you put your seatbelt in, we just jump over and put the key in too.

I mean, I mean, sobs are weird and quirky in a cool way, like Volvo and some of these other, you know, but I don't know.

I just, I never, like vintage sob, like vintage, vintage sob, totally get it.

Love old rally cars, like, like they're cool.

But I don't know, man, 80s, 90s on and didn't the sob become a Subaru at some point.

No, I don't think so.

No, no, no.

My neighbor, one of my neighbors bought a, he bought a modern sob and it's the same as a little Subaru.

It's literally, yeah, they share something with a Subaru.

It's like a little, it's like a little Subaru outback or something.

Yeah, I'm being corrected right now online, but yeah.

Anyway, surprise, surprise.

I remember GM bought them, right?

Didn't GM buy a sob?

I don't know.

It's up now.

I'm pretty sure they bought them or bought a big portion of them or something.

Let's, let's look here.

Now I'm curious.

Yeah.

I know, right?

I know.

Bob failed to build its customer base.

This is from Wikipedia.

Beyond its niche following after struggling to avoid insolvency in 2011.

Oh, yeah.

GM bought 50%.

Yeah.

And that's when they had the, the sob nine dash two X nicknamed Sabaru and impressive wagon.

Yeah.

So, so it was a sob impressive wagon.

Yeah.

Okay.

Good.

There it is.

The sob 92 was cool looking.

It was a little bug, but it was cool.

Yeah.

But some of their other stuff was less than good looking.

Yeah.

You know, any car that's named sob, you know, I'm sobbing.

Right.

Another one on this list that we talked about last week when we were talking about odd cars

is the, the Aztec.

They said that's going to be on the droofing value.

So it'll be worth $200.

Yeah.

You know how many people have asked me, what is that?

It's like, listen to the show.

I just, I want to be snobby.

They didn't even know what an Aztec, what?

No, I'm like, it's a panic.

Look at the show.

Just listen to the show.

You know, look at our posts.

People don't read.

They just look at a picture.

It's like, it's right on it what it is.

No.

It's like doing research.

I'm not Wikipedia.

You know, we talked about it last week, but the Miata, the Miata from 99 to 05.

They're expecting those to go up.

Now here's one that surprised me.

95 to 98 golf GTI.

Yeah.

You know what though?

They're getting popular again.

Well, the only thing I can think of is there were a lot of kids that had those.

Yeah.

You always want that car that you had when you were younger.

Exactly.

I remember a lot of kids having those.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

And dad tried to get me to get a white one.

I'm like a convertible.

I'm like, I don't want a rabbit convertible.

No, not a rabbit.

Right.

There's a difference.

I know.

A rabbit loves a girl's car.

Exactly.

Sorry.

I'm just thinking relative.

Now, golf, golfs are cool.

You know, I liked the little two doors.

You know, the GTI especially.

Yeah.

The R32.

I mean, there's, they were pretty innovative.

And plus I've always loved the Audi TT.

And, and, and, and at some point those shared a lot of stuff with the Audi TT.

So yeah.

So very, very cool.

I totally agree with that one.

They had the cool plaid interior and, you know, what were those Audi's called?

Audi TT.

The what?

Yes.

Well, one that didn't surprise me is the AMX.

I've always kind of secretly had a little fan ship on the, on those AMX's that the

AMC AMX, I remember, I don't know, 20, 20 years ago or so, I saw a black one.

There was a black one running around Tahoe and it had flared fenders and it was lowered

and had nice wheels and it sounded good.

And I always thought, well, he really did good work on that.

Like he made that car kind of cool, you know, the AMX and the javelin.

Oh, maybe it was a javelin.

You know what?

My mistake, it was a javelin.

It was, the javelin's cooler than the AMX, but still it didn't surprise me.

It's the same thing.

Who makes a t-shirt with one of those on it?

Bond Speed Streetwear.

Oh, right.

There you go.

That's right.

The javelin, I think, is the cooler version of that.

I don't know.

I'm going to have to look that up.

But the AMX is neat.

That doesn't surprise me.

They're pretty rare.

I've done a lot of wheels for them over the years, but it's the 90 to 93 454 Supersport

Chevrolet truck.

Oh, yeah.

You get them any color you wanted as long as it was black.

But they were cool.

They had the, you know, the 454 in them.

They were sporty and they had the graphic down the side that said 454 SS.

And I can see why they were pretty rare even after the day and they're pretty cool.

Of course, the Skyline GT-R.

Yeah.

Audi R8, of course.

69 to 72 charger.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, some of these, some of these, I'm scratching my head going, well, we already know those

are going up.

Like, yeah.

Well, you don't think they're going to choose be too far out.

They want to be right, you know?

Yeah.

Well, one that surprised me though, too, is it was a Nissan 350Z.

At least the Nismo version I get.

But they're just such a eh kind of car, you know, I don't know.

But again, they speak to a generation of people that that's what they grew up on.

That was the cool car to have, you know?

I mean, for me, too, I'm surprised the Merkur XR4 Ti Cosworth isn't on this list, you know?

Because those are going up like crazy.

None of them are on the road anymore.

That's why.

Yeah, that's true.

And if they are, they're pretty pricey.

But Lamborghini doesn't surprise me.

Mercedes doesn't surprise me.

Toyota SR5 pickup.

I just moved out of Tahoe.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

There's a huge generation of interest and the whole 80s revival.

I think that is a classic 80s revival vehicle.

And I'm not surprised if those are going up at all.

Are we looking at the same list?

I'm wondering if we are.

Are you sure you're on 2026 and not 2025?

Oh.

You're on 2025, aren't you?

I'm on 2023.

I realized there was a bunch of them.

Well, the one you sent me kept going to YouTube, so I went to the next one.

I'm such a dork.

I'm sorry.

So going all the way back to 2023, did they call it back?

Back in 2023, did they go up?

But here's the thing.

Some of those vehicles are on this list too.

That's so awesome.

I was going to say it and then I thought, maybe I didn't dive enough into this list.

And then I'm like, no, there's got to be a different list.

See Brad, the problem, our accuracy problem is because Matt's not here.

There you go.

Matt usually has all the statistics.

He has all the information.

He has all the details.

He would have said early on, Aaron, that one's not on the list.

Yeah.

He would have already sent me the right list.

Boy.

Oh, man.

So Matt's the wife.

Hey, you know what?

This is a great opportunity for us to check our facts and figures and take a break.

We'll be right back.

Yeah.

That's hilarious.

Oh, I'm such a dork.

Hey, we're back.

We checked our list.

We checked everything and we guaranteed we could still get something wrong.

Oh my gosh.

This is hilarious.

Well, it's a good conversation though.

I was looking through my notes as you're bringing it up.

I'm going sob.

I don't see sob.

No wonder they're so obvious.

You know what?

We can now look back in 23.

They were wrong.

I don't think any sobs went up in value.

Yeah.

The Cappatino did.

Some of these definitely did.

The SR5s, yeah, they did.

That'd be a good show.

Go through the expert's list for like 10 years ago and say, okay, how much did they

actually go up in value?

Exactly.

Okay.

Let me write 2026 at the end of this.

2026.

Okay.

We're going to talk about Waymo cars.

Okay.

These are self-driving cars that take you for rides.

Okay.

I just want to make sure you're on the same page.

What?

No way.

I keep, every time I turn on the news, I keep hearing about these.

Have you taken a Waymo anywhere?

No, I haven't, but I guess they don't like pets.

Oh, well, pets are not.

Most of them don't, but I'll take an Uber all the time.

But a Waymo, I've never been in one just because they don't have them in Orange County yet.

But did you see up there on the news?

I don't know if you saw it.

But so about two weeks ago, this person's in the back of a Waymo and they had it on camera

because the police officer's body cams got it.

So they got a standoff, armed standoff in the street, cop cars all around.

There's a guy laying in the street.

They're suspects laying in the street.

He'd already given up, but they all got their weapons out.

And the Waymo just drives right through the center of it.

Oh, no.

The person's in the back.

And the cops are all like, what the hell?

We got our weapons trained on this guy laying in the street.

And his truck's all cattywampus in the street.

And the Waymo pulls around it and just drives right through the crime scene, man.

You know what?

Waymos need to have a soundtrack wherever they drive.

They need to have a TV station.

They need to have a YouTube channel, you know, where you can just see all the crazy.

So then this week, the Waymo, the Waymos in San Francisco.

Did you hear about this one?

I'm looking at a bunch of headlines, but there's a lot of headlines.

One is coming up a hill in San Francisco.

Okay, the collision.

One is pulling out of a side street.

And the other one, they all converge, three of them at once.

Well, their sensors picked up that, oh, there's a car.

Oh, there's a car.

But all three of them, one was pulling out of a parking place, just picked up a ride.

The other one's coming, turning left onto the street.

And the other one's coming up the hill.

They all converged at the same time and their sensors kind of locked up.

Yeah.

You can do anything.

They just went, uh, because they were all sensing each other and they went back up.

They wouldn't do anything.

They blocked the street for like however long it took Waymo to get somebody out there.

People couldn't get through.

The intersection was blocked and it was just like, are you kidding me?

Yeah, this is true.

It looks like one's coming down the hill, one's coming up the hill and one's leaving a person's driveway.

Yeah.

And, and, and they're all, it looks like the one out of the driveway and the one up the hill just are barely touched.

And the other one is just parked.

So they're just all facing each other, completely blocking the whole road.

You know what scares me is not these cars.

I think they're probably safe.

But what scares me, well, the other thing about this one, they said the passenger was trapped in the back for like an hour.

I'm like, okay.

You can get out, right?

A window rolls down.

Yeah.

Doors lock, you know, but the windows roll down.

You mean you couldn't crawl out the window or have somebody open the door or something.

You know, I mean, I'm like going, but they're probably pretty safe.

Yeah.

They tell me they feel pretty safe and I'm in there.

They're pretty good.

They, of course, they're always going to highlight things.

However, they're talking about making like passenger jets like Waymos where there's no pass or no pilots.

Oh, yeah.

I'm like, yeah, I don't think so.

Like the drone ones.

I think they're already active, aren't they?

I don't know.

I think they have some in Asia or something.

Can you imagine, you know, like, oh, we're having a problem.

Oh, well, gee, I'm sorry about those 200 people.

That was just a mistake.

You know, it didn't know, it forgot to pull up over that mountain.

So it's like, you know, that's going to be a long time before those, you know, are carrying passengers cargo.

Okay, maybe, but even then they can become a missile.

You know, I mean, those things are crazy.

And speaking of planes and jets and things like that, there was a article about Air India.

Did you happen to see this?

You don't follow Air India and your social feeds?

No, no, no, no.

I used to get this road trip is much better with Indian Christmas music.

I have not.

But Air India forgot they had some jets.

I mean, you know, I, I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

How do you forget you have jets?

And we're not talking small jets.

We're talking Boeing 737s.

And well, it said they're not even sure how many they're missing, maybe several.

But they found a couple of them at an airport and they'd been there for 13 years parked.

Oh my gosh.

And these were cargo jets that apparently Air India was owned by the government.

Then Tata, which we know as Tata Motors, that that guy Tata, he bought the airlines and took it private.

Well, between going from a public entity to a private entity, some of the jets got leased.

Some of them were, you know, done.

There were mergers, but apparently some of these jets got parked at an airport somewhere and they didn't have them on the books.

They didn't have anything till they found out that, hey, you've had these here for 13 years.

You got to pay for storage and I'm like 13 years.

How do you, those are multi-million dollar assets.

How does anybody, you know, that shows public company number one.

And then it probably never had them on their books and the new entity didn't even know they owned them.

Wow.

But it was, it was crazy to think and I thought, gosh, maybe just maybe this is how we could get a private jet for shift and stare.

Because we could find some public entity that just parked their jet somewhere and never paid the, and for paying the storage fees, we could have a jet.

There's no keys.

Do you have a title?

You just need a pilot.

Of course, unlike a car that's been sitting for years, a jet that's been sitting for years, it's really going to cost you a lot of money.

Yeah, it's not just, you know, drain the fuel and put in a new battery.

Good. We could do it. We could try it.

Put in some new batteries or whatever we had to do.

Put in some new fuel, get that thing fired up and take it for a spin.

And if we crash it, we just say, oh, it was one of those Waymo jets.

Yeah.

Yeah, but those, those taxi drone things, man, I don't think I could do that.

You know, this started, oh, you're talking about the taxi drones.

Yes, they've got those in France right now. Yes.

They're talking about trying to have them active in LA for the Olympics.

Oh, no, thanks.

Carry up to eight people and get you around town and, you know, that'd be pretty cool.

I just think by the biggest drone you can get, bolt a, like a lawn chair to it and fly around town.

Can you imagine?

Well, it seemed that they, they had those.

I think, I think they were, they were doing them out of, wasn't the Reno airport, but it was similar.

My friend Adrian's a pilot and he's, I think he signed up to do it.

Oh, they're out in, in like Palo Alto. I think they were out of Palo Alto.

Okay. Yeah.

So drones, passenger drones?

Well, yeah, you get in it and you pilot. I mean, it seemed pretty, pretty foolproof.

And they're flying them around down there, I guess. And there's not a lot of legislation with them so far.

So I don't know, man.

I was watching on the news the other night about Walmart and somebody else that are doing drone deliveries in Atlanta.

They've gotten full scale with them and they're showing them taking off and going on.

And I'm like, are we going to get to the point where we just always have this hum in the air and there's people dropping from the sky?

Yeah, you know, our neighbors get, oh my God, our neighbors getting another delivery.

Oh, the neighbor over here is getting a delivery. I mean, it's like.

Oh, our neighbors would hate us.

Oh my God. It's like, can you imagine, I mean, and they showed them and they're, they're pretty crazy.

Wow.

Release it and then fly off, you know, and it's, I don't, I realize the efficiency, but the cost.

And who flies the drone? Is it automated by GPS?

Yeah, it's got to be an automated system. I can't imagine they have a whole warehouse of people flying them.

Maybe they, maybe they, that's what the guys do now in the Air Force. They sit there and fly for Walmart.

Or, you know, what would be cool would be if they just had a bank of controls in the store, like in the toy section.

Kids could come up and go and they'd go fly a drone and they'd go go to this address and they'd have like free, free labor, you know.

I hope the tree avoidance is on.

I was wondering about that too. Like trees, low flying aircraft.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, flight patterns.

Yeah.

Yeah, you got a whole bunch of these things and they just go off and I don't know, drones are everywhere now, you know.

And their avoidance is really good. Like even your base model drones have really good avoidance systems now and it's very impressive.

You know, I've never flown a drone.

It's actually kind of fun. If you ever liked airplanes or helicopters or flying RC stuff of any kind, it's kind of like next level because whenever you did that, you're always like, man, I wish they made cameras small enough.

It'd be really cool to put a camera on it, you know, so it's kind of that mentality for us.

But, but, but they're, they're, they're, sorry, my dogs haven't zoomies, but they're, they're, they're cool.

I bought a little cheap DJI like a little, literally you can put it in your pocket.

Yeah.

And it's, it's fun. I can actually use it for content, but it's fun just to go outside and whiz around.

Have you seen the $80 drone that they've got out for the holidays that you just put it in your palm and you put the clip on your, you know, on your shirt or something.

And it goes, takes off and follows you.

Yep. That's what this one is. Yeah.

Yeah. And then, and then when you, and then when you're ready, you put your hand out and it lands back in your hand.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It reads your eyes. And so it knows like where it is as its home base. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a neat, it has a, the new one has hand features where you give it hand signals to do, like to back up or go higher.

And it's pretty cool. I have the older version, but I think they were 110 bucks, like just for the base drone.

Yeah.

But, you know, after you get more batteries and screens and all that stuff, the end of spending a few hundred, but anti gravity has a new one that they collaborated with Insta360 and DJI.

And it's a 360 drone. And I got to say, it's a couple grand for the big package, but man, it is cool. It is really cool. It has those kinds of features, but with a 360 camera system, you basically don't need to pilot it in a real fancy way.

You can kind of just go in a straight line and it's going to capture everything. You know what I mean? So, so traditionally, a drone has a forward facing camera.

So you have to, if you're doing car shots or something, you kind of have to angle the drone.

Right. Keep it running towards you.

Yeah. And fly sideways and then circle around and, and, you know, they have AI controls for all that too, which helps you get those quote hero shots.

But in general, you have to be quite a pilot, you know, and if you do a, you know, depending on what kind of drone you have to keep up.

But these new ones, I would imagine you could just follow the car, maybe go to the right of the car a little bit, go to the left of the car a little bit, you know, go ahead of the car a little bit.

You're going to get, you're going to get every shot. You're going to get every angle because it's a 360.

So a big, I mean, I don't like the word, but game changer for sure.

But yeah, I think we're going to see a lot more content in the car world that we're always complaining about all these kids having all this, you know, they're getting content.

Well, I think something, a tool like this is going to really, really saturate that, that ability to get content.

That's where they go.

You know, I don't know offhand, it really depends on the make and model, but the, the anti gravity, I think is pretty damn fast.

I think that thing.

I want one that will keep up with my car and have the battery life and instead of a dash cam, I just have a drone over top.

There you go.

We almost have that with the 360 view on it.

That's what I mean.

Can you imagine it'd be like, it'd be like, oh yeah, you said you didn't swerve into me.

Look at my drone footage right here.

Instead of dash cams, you have drone cams.

Oh yeah, I get it.

I get it.

Technically you could stick a 360 camera on your roof and extended a few feet and you would have that angle all the time.

Yeah, absolutely.

I just like to tell them that I worked for the CIA and this came down from the satellite and, you know, the car intelligence agency.

Yeah, exactly.

Yes, I worked for the car intelligence agency and, okay, enough of that.

Oh, you know, we were talking about the jet.

We got all off track.

Oh, sorry.

Sorry.

No, but that got me looking for cars that, and you know, there's cars abandoned in parking garages all over the place.

I found one parking garage that had all these super cars in it.

And people are like, yeah, they've been here for years.

Well, I don't know.

Some guy that used to live in this apartment building or some guy that has an apartment, but he hasn't been here for years or whatever.

And you're like, who does that?

You know?

Come on, hit Dubai.

Well, no, but I'm talking about right here in LA even.

Oh, really?

Yeah, there was one, there was a Senna.

There was, I mean, all these super cars in this one apartment complex up in Westwood.

And, and they were talking to the guy and the guy goes, yeah, there's people that have apartments here.

They parked their cars and they don't even come back.

We haven't seen them for years.

Their apartments get paid for.

They're just, you know, whatever, you know, but here's an example.

Richard Harris, the actor who played Dumbledore in Harry Potter movies.

He passed away, right?

Yeah, but before he passed away, he found out that he had left his Rolls Royce parked in a New York City parking garage for 25 years.

Oh, it was him?

It was him.

Oh my gosh.

He was in 1997, he was looking through old photos.

Wow.

And he saw, he kept seeing these photos of him standing with a Rolls Royce and he's like, I never had a Rolls Royce.

And now we got to look at the guy.

I guess in the 60s and 70s, he was like known, you know, he was a famous actor back then and he was known for being like a massive partier.

I mean, we're talking being drinking.

There were like times when like, I guess, Richard Burton and other actors would like go out on these binges and, you know, and so there's parts of his life that I guess are just blank.

Wow.

Another point where he called two of his ex-wives and asked them, excuse me, hey, did I own a Rolls Royce?

Neither of them ever remembered him owning a Rolls Royce.

Wow.

He's like, ah man, that is so weird.

He asked everybody and a couple of friends had some vague recollections that he had one for a while or something and he, gosh, and he, until he got to his accountant.

And his accountant said, oh yeah, you own a Rolls Royce and he goes, I own a Rolls Royce and he goes, yeah, it's in New York City.

And he goes, I own a Rolls Royce and it's New York City.

What are you talking about?

He goes, yeah, it's in a parking garage.

You've had it there since, you know, whenever and for 25 years at that point.

Wow.

And I'm like thinking, that'd be grounds for firing my accountant if he's, you know, what else do I own that I've got, you know, stored or, yeah, you've also got a boat down at the marina.

It's been there for 25 years, you know.

Is the accountant's fault?

Who's this, who's this?

Well, I mean, wouldn't the accountant tell him that?

The manager, I mean.

Somebody, yeah, you know, that would say, hey, you know.

It's somebody else's fault.

You've spent $92,000 on a Rolls Royce that you haven't used yet.

But it gets worse because once he found out, then the whole story came around, what happened was someone gifted it to him.

They gave it to him.

He drove it for a couple of weeks, put it in the parking garage, forgot he even owned it.

Sorry, I thought you're going to take it back.

It was just a loaner.

Yeah.

But it gets worse.

He's already got $92,000 into this old Rolls Royce limousine.

And he, you know what he did with it?

Back in 1897 is he paid off the bill, had it shipped to Britain, and then fully restored so he could sell it.

I mean, dude, you could have just sold it over here.

That's a tax write-off.

Yeah.

That's a tax write-off.

He wrote it all off.

Okay.

Now I have to say, none of this makes sense.

I mean, one, we can kind of justify, oh, it was a gift.

He was a partier.

He didn't remember.

But the parking garage.

So I know anywhere in California, if you park for any, if five minutes longer than they allow you to, they have a towed to a tow yard.

Anything past that.

Well, he's about to be paid the bill.

Yeah, but still, I'm sure they have a standard for how long it can park there.

I don't know, man.

Why do they care if that car sits and they make $92,000 over 25 years or some other car comes and goes?

I know, but after 25 years, I don't know.

I don't mind.

I'll give you an example.

I don't mind.

My place in Newport.

Right.

I had a townhouse in Newport for a while.

And I had the corner unit next to the pool and then there was another corner unit on the other side of the pool.

And I tried buying it a number of times because no one had been there.

I forget how many years people suspected before I lived there, but some Admiral owned it and some Navy Admiral owned it.

And Aaron, you looked in the window and there was like, you know, one of those old T cards that grandma used to have those metal cards, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was sitting there and it still had like stuff on it.

It was like one day they were in the middle of breakfast or something and they went, oh, we got to go.

And they never, ever came back.

Well, I hope that doesn't have a sad ending.

Well, I don't know.

And he never came and checked on the place.

They just locked them.

And everybody in the place, everybody in the complex knew that, yeah, Admiral so-and-so hasn't been there and like at the time it'd been like 12 years.

And I was like, sell it?

Well, who do I get a hold of?

And I could never find out who to even get a hold of.

But that's a piece of multimillion dollar property in Newport.

And it just sat there.

Who knows what was in the garage?

Yeah.

And you always see these urban explorers online where they go and there's some house and there's, you know, a Ferrari sitting in the.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what we have.

But those are usually in like Budapest or something.

They're usually in some other country.

But yeah, yeah.

It's weird.

People just do weird things.

I mean, you know what?

And everything's on a different level because there's probably people that would come to my place and go, you know, he's had a place in Arizona for how many years.

And that goes, cars just sit over there and he hasn't done nothing with them, you know, and it'd be like, yeah.

Well, I know I was definitely accused of some stuff parked in my yard, but that's different.

That's different.

It's all that's what I say.

It's all relative.

I'm the current caretaker.

I'm shoveling snow off of him every year.

I mean, dad did that to me.

I had a car in his warehouse while I was going through my divorce and I moved up to Tahoe and I went down to get it a couple years later and he had sold it.

My little Alfa Romeo, my first car, 1958 Alfa Romeo.

I was so happy that I still had it and I was on my way down to get it.

Oh, I'm sorry.

You need to talk to your father.

He sold it.

What?

It's in my bag.

It's in your room, Aaron.

Yeah, I'm still a little bent about that one.

Boyd did that to me.

We were, when Boyd and our partners, I was having a little John Utera Speedster Motorcycle built and this was when we owned the Speedster Motorcycle company.

We had bought it after we went public and my bike, I'd been waiting forever for that thing to be done.

The only thing left on it at the time was the seat to come back from the leather shop, from the upholster.

And it was sitting there, it was all painted, it was wired, it was ready to go.

Literally just needed the seat.

And I went to lunch one day and I came back from lunch and Boyd, he used to rub his hands together.

He goes, hey, I made you 10 grand at lunch today.

And I go, how'd you make me 10 grand at lunch today?

And he goes, I sold that motorcycle.

And I go, yeah, I'll show you then.

And he goes, no, it sounds so, you know, one of our big customers, I go, no, you didn't.

And he goes, yeah, I've been waiting for over a year for that thing to be done.

And he goes, and he goes, I made you 10 grand at lunch.

You didn't have to do anything.

I go, but now I don't have the motorcycle.

You know, he goes, you're going to get all your money back plus 10 grand.

And I'm like, yeah, whatever, I had the motorcycle.

And you know, I knew I'd never get another one built.

Well, yeah, that was like, well, now I got to pay 30 grand more to have one built now.

Yeah.

No, that was a $60,000 motorcycle back.

Oh my God.

And it was, and it was, and now it sits in the vault at, at the Peterson Museum.

It got donated to them.

At least you get to visit it.

I was like, I would have bought it back.

I would have bought it back, you know.

Well, didn't, didn't you buy some motorcycles a couple of years ago?

Yeah.

I bought some Kawasaki's.

Yeah.

A KZ750 and a KZ1000.

Yeah.

Did you, did you make 10 grand on those?

Do you still have them?

I still have them.

Yeah.

Hey.

The KZ750 is in running condition and the 1000's got to be gone through.

So, well, another project for you.

Isn't that the truth, man?

I got to get more stuff done and less projects.

Well, it, I know it hasn't been long, but, but check the fuel lines on that running one

because I'm sure they're already perished.

I didn't say there was any fuel in it.

I said it would run.

Yeah.

It doesn't matter.

I bet you they're already perished.

If a fuel ever ran through them.

That, do you mean California fuel?

Yeah.

Well, see is for crap.

Yes.

All right.

I guess that's about it for today.

Next week, Maddie will probably be back and, and it'll be a less error show.

We won't be talking about two different years.

We'll all be on the same track.

But that, that was good.

I'm like, yeah, they're really accurate on that one.

Yeah.

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Pardon?

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