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The Tundra Engine Recall Is Confusing! Here's The Latest! | Ep. 334

TFL Talkin' Trucks

The Tundra Engine Recall Is Confusing! Here's The Latest! | Ep. 334

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Buyers are hesitating on newer Toyota Tundras because “because of the admittedly fairly sizable recall on those engines,” and the hosts dig into why the V6 recall is so confusing—multiple waves, debris clogging oil passages, and Toyota’s fix via redesigned main bearings. They also share a personal 2019 Tundra resale experience, then pivot to truck news: 2027 Ford Super Duty ordering changes, plus powertrain/trim strategy and pricing realities. The rest of the show ranges from shock rebuild intervals to off-road and EV concept talk.

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Toyota Tundra

Car

Toyota Tundra

The Toyota Tundra is a full-size pickup truck. In this episode, they’re talking about recall issues tied to the engine, and how that affects what people choose to buy.

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Concept

recalls

A recall is when a car company says, “We found a problem, and we need to fix it.” Here, the hosts say recalls are one reason some people avoid newer trucks.

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2027 Ford Super Duty

Car

2027 Ford Super Duty

The Ford Super Duty is Ford’s heavy-duty truck. The hosts say that for 2027, Ford is changing what engine choices you can pick when you order one.

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Dodge Power Wagon

Car

Dodge Power Wagon

The Dodge Power Wagon is a pickup truck made for off-road use. It’s designed to handle rough conditions and tough jobs. The podcast mentions it as part of a group of truck news items.

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Term

tier D pro

This sounds like a specific trim/package name for the truck. The host is connecting it to the fact that this version has Fox shocks that need periodic rebuilding.

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Term

Fox shocks

Fox shocks are a type of suspension shock made by Fox. The key idea is that they’re designed so you can rebuild them when they wear out, instead of always buying a whole new shock.

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Term

rebuild

Rebuilding a shock means taking it apart and fixing the worn internal parts. It’s usually cheaper and can extend the life of the shock compared to replacing it completely.

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Term

off-the-shelf new shock

It means a regular replacement shock you can just buy. The point here is that some shocks (like Fox) can be rebuilt instead of replaced with a brand-new one.

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Term

50 to 60,000 miles

The host is saying these shocks often need service around 50,000–60,000 miles. How you drive and load the truck can make it happen sooner or later.

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Term

upsized tire

Upsizing a tire means putting on a bigger tire than the factory size. That can change how the truck rides and handles, and it can also affect things like the speed reading.

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Term

BFG

BFG is short for BFGoodrich, a tire brand. They’re talking about the type of tires they put on the truck and what they plan to do next.

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Term

debris left over debris in the engine from manufacturing

The concern is that some leftover junk from building the engine can end up inside it. If it blocks the oil system, the engine doesn’t get proper lubrication and can wear out or fail.

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Term

oil passages

Oil passages are the internal “oil highways” inside the engine. If something blocks them, parts don’t get enough oil, and the engine can start getting damaged quickly.

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Term

bottom end

The “bottom end” is the lower part of the engine where the crankshaft and bearings live. If that area gets damaged, it’s a big problem because it can lead to severe engine failure.

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Term

main bearing

The main bearing is a small part inside the engine that helps the crankshaft spin smoothly. If Toyota redesigned it, they’re trying to fix a problem that showed up in how that part works.

We have a lot to talk about on this episode of TFL Talking Trucks.

That's true because there have been some pretty big developments over here at the office.

We also have a lot of news to talk about because as always with the truck world there's a lot

going on.

So I finally, after talking about this for several months maybe, I finally sold my Toyota

Tundra.

That's right.

It's gone.

We're going to be talking about Tundra's decent amount.

Because well, it brings up another topic, right?

Because when I was selling my Tundra, I can tell you a little bit more about this.

The gentleman who was purchasing it from me mentioned that he was avoiding the new Tundra

and I said, why?

He said because of recalls.

So there's some updates on recalls that I want to talk about.

Yeah, we want to go through that story a little bit, but to your point, values of the previous

generation Tundra, like what you had, are pretty high because there are a lot of people

out there that trust the previous generation truck a lot more than any brand new Tundra

because of the admittedly fairly sizable recall on those engines.

Exactly.

So let's talk about that.

We also have some truck news with 2027 Ford Super Duty and what Ford is doing there.

They are removing engine options from the list.

Also Honda Ridgeline news, GMC Hammer news and RAM Power Wagon news.

Exactly.

So there's a bunch going on, but we're going to start out with the Tundra.

So should we go ahead and dive into talking a little bit more about the recall?

Well, yeah.

Well, no, no, I want to tell you about my truck.

Okay.

Yeah.

We'll start with Andre.

Right.

Thanks.

So first of all, I don't know about you.

I often get super attached to vehicles that I own and when I published my truck, which

was a 2019 Toyota Tundra on Facebook Marketplace, this is not sponsored by any Marketplace,

by the way.

Yeah.

It'd be cool if it was.

It'd be cool if it was sponsored by a giant corporation, but it's not.

We're sponsored by you guys, listeners and viewers of this podcast.

And we are live on Patreon.com right now.

Yeah, that's true.

Slash TFL car.

So you can always go on there and ask us questions as we're recording these live.

Yeah.

And make comments, feedback, anything.

So I published it on the Marketplace and then I'm like, really, am I really doing this?

And yes, I was really doing it.

I took all the pictures, you know, I tried to be very thorough, published all the pictures

on there and I put up my price all very close to $40,000.

It was like $39,500 that I put my price at because I purchased the truck for about like

$42,000, $43,000, I thought this was a year and a half from now, right?

It was a long time ago.

And admittedly you haven't put tons of miles on this truck because obviously we test a

lot of trucks here at work.

So there's plenty of times when you're not driving your own truck because you're testing

vehicles that we have at the office.

Yeah.

So I think I put on about 17,000 miles in about a year and a half.

So not an insane amount of miles, but some.

We've taken several road trips down to New Mexico and some other areas.

So and then I get a lot of feedback from the marketplaces.

So first a couple of people, you know, messaged me there and then like five dealerships.

Oh, really?

So I wanted to talk to you about this too, because I guess a lot of people put no,

no trades, no dealers, like comment into their description, but I don't know if that

matters because those bots, I think they're mostly bots, but they're just looking for

like interesting recent vehicles and they're like, give us a VIN number.

We'll, we'll give you a value, you know, right away.

So I got a lot of dealer messages.

I've never dealt with that because everything I sell on marketplaces is a

hoopty of, you know, typically beyond 20 or 30 years age, which I don't think a lot

of dealership bots are necessarily going after.

Well, that's another interesting topic, right?

Because when you're selling something so valuable, right, we're talking about like

$40,000 or maybe less, there's always some nervous energy there, you know, am I

going to find a buyer who's legit, you know, are they going to try to scam me?

That's a lot of money, right?

It's a big vehicle, yada, yada, yada.

So I think that's why a lot of people go to a dealer, right?

And basically, because a dealership is there, the dealership has the money, you

know, usually you could kind of trust that the deal is going to go through, but

the dealer is going to lobel you, right?

Yeah, cause they have to make money.

So yeah.

So that's kind of the trade off there.

Anyways, I sold it to a nice gentleman here in Denver.

Great.

We worked out the deal.

He didn't lobel me.

And it sold pretty quick.

Yeah.

Well, like within a couple of days, it was gone.

And I was crying.

Yeah.

You're not going to see that.

I was upset it was gone, but it was a really solid truck, dude.

Absolutely.

I mean, we did a lot with it also for some videos.

Um, and I mean, I changed the oil in it regularly, according to the schedule.

So, so it was really solid truck, but I did find a couple of problems with it.

Like a leaking shock, for example.

Yeah.

So it didn't have anything major, certainly not anything in the scope of needing

to replace an engine.

No, did not have to do anything with the engine other and some oil changes.

Uh, the transmission was also really solid.

But you know, these high performance shocks, it's a tier D pro, right?

It's got Fox shocks and they need to be rebuilt.

A lot of people don't understand that or don't know about it.

Yeah.

You can rebuild them.

You don't just have to replace them with an off-the-shelf new shock.

But they usually have their own schedule, right?

It's like 50, you know, it depends on how you use it, of course, but it's usually

around 50 to 60,000 miles, maybe sooner.

Sometimes where you actually, they recommend you rebuild them.

The original Ford Raptors, you know, those Fox shocks, um, they were famous

for needing to be rebuilt as well.

So, so we did the maintenance on it.

Yeah.

So nothing that was a really huge deal.

And it makes sense that the truck sold pretty quickly because we're here in Colorado.

A lot of people drive Toyotas in this state.

It's a really popular brand.

And I'm not surprised that there was a lot of interest in this truck and they do

really hold value well, which is one of the nice things about it.

Because yeah, you know, like you said, you put almost 20,000 miles on it.

You had it for closing in on two years, almost roundabout.

And, and I sold it for like 38 ish.

Yeah.

So I was pretty happy.

Yeah.

And I think the, uh, the buyer was also happy, uh, about this.

And it's not like you had to pour money into it either.

You put tires on it more, more out of the desire rather than.

Yeah.

I put a slightly upsized tire on it.

Yeah.

So, so there, there's, uh, the BFG, uh, Keo three.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm going on a BFG event later today.

Nice.

I want to hear more about that when you come back.

Yeah, absolutely.

So again, one of the reasons that there's a lot of interest in these trucks is

because there has been this pretty high profile recall, as I'm sure most of you

know, with the brand new Toyota Tundra and it's V 63 and a half liter V

six, what's interesting in this is that enough time has gone by with this, that

there's a lot we know from this recall, but there are still some unanswered

questions and there's a lot of confusion.

Um, and you may have seen this online, right?

So because there were several waves of this recall, right?

They, they recalled about a 100000 vehicles, then added to that

recall and then recently just like in late May, just what the, almost a couple

of weeks ago, there was another almost 44,000 Toyota Tundra V six engines that

were recalled or trucks with those engines.

To my understanding, some of the trucks that have since been recalled were

built after Toyota was aware of the initial issue.

So it seems like it's, it's been a problem that has been a difficult one to

address.

Yes.

The initial concern when, when these recalls first came out was debris left

over debris in the engine from manufacturing.

Yeah.

From the manufacturing process.

Yeah.

Um, there, there have been people that have torn down these engines, looked at

them and found damage even beyond the bottom end, which can absolutely happen.

If you have debris that are clogging oil passages and you're getting poor

oiling inside an engine, obviously that can wreak all kinds of havoc over the

motor from top to bottom, but really the, the bottom end has been the big issue

with this.

And as part of Toyota's fix for this issue, they've actually gone and

redesigned main bearing.

And number one, the, the number one main bearing they've done and redesigned it,

which is interesting because to me that sounds like, and again, we, we get

pretty limited information on this.

We, we can see NHTSA documents.

Yeah.

Cole can produce a call, can pull up one of these documents.

NHTSA.gov is a government organization, right?

And they're kind of monitor and facilitate a lot of these recalls.

Sometimes they, you know, kind of initiate those investigations, but this

is a voluntary recall by Toyota.

Yeah.

And yeah.

And now they're stating, um, about redesigning that main bearing,

which is interesting because the initial issue, which is debris in the engine

leftover from the manufacturing process, that sounds like more of an issue in

manufacturing and execution, but if you're going in and redesigning a bearing,

then that almost seems like maybe it could be an engineering issue.

And, and so there is a lot of topics we can discuss here because, um, also,

um, what comes up in this discussion on everywhere I've seen is oil, right?

Oil, oil, oil.

And there's a trend recently over the last, what, 10 or so years, maybe

longer, that the oils are getting a little bit thinner in new vehicles.

Um, and, uh, currently, I just looked this up, um, Toyota recommends in

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