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996 Turbo: The Porsche Worth the Risk | with Andy from While You're In There

Eleven After Nine | A Porsche Culture Podcast

996 Turbo: The Porsche Worth the Risk | with Andy from While You're In There

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Andy from While You’re In There shares how his Porsche YouTube channel began with a Boxster rehab journey, then explains how he found and sold his cars with the help of documentation and community. The hosts frame Porsche ownership as “nuts and bolts,” but get specific about 996 Turbo risk: cracked Turbo Twist wheels, coolant pipe failures, and the IMS “not if but when” reality. They also dig into why the 987.2 Boxster era feels like a sweet spot—especially with port injection and suspension sorting.

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Boxster

Car

Boxster

The Porsche Boxster is a Porsche roadster with the engine placed toward the middle of the car. Here, they’re talking about why the standard (base) Boxster can be the best fit for most people.

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9-11

Car

9-11

“9-11” is what people often call the Porsche 911. They’re comparing the Boxster to the 911 and talking about how 911 fans used to look down on the Boxster.

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Term

Goldilocks generations

“Goldilocks” means “just right.” In this case, they’re saying the 987.2 Boxster is the sweet spot—good enough to be improved, but not the most problematic version.

08:14

Term

new engine architecture

“Engine architecture” refers to the fundamental design layout and engineering approach of an engine (not just minor tuning). When the speaker says the 987.2 era had a “new engine architecture,” they mean the 2009–2011 Boxster got a substantially updated engine design.

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Term

IMS bearing

An IMS bearing is a small part inside some Porsche engines that helps a shaft spin smoothly. In certain earlier Porsche engines, that bearing could wear out and cause serious engine problems. The speaker is saying later versions fixed that weak spot.

08:35

Term

direct injection

Direct injection is a way of delivering fuel straight into the engine’s combustion chamber. The host is saying some versions of this Porsche engine use that system, while the 2.9-liter version they’re discussing does not. That difference can change how the engine runs and feels.

09:29

Term

flat sixes

A flat-six is an engine layout where six cylinders sit horizontally in two banks on opposite sides of the crankshaft. Porsche’s flat-six design is known for smoothness and a distinctive sound, especially when revved. The host says this engine “loves to be revved out” and “howls” at higher RPMs, which is a common enthusiast description of flat-six character.

09:53

Term

port injected

Port injection sprays fuel into the engine’s intake passages. The idea here is that it can help keep the intake valves cleaner than some other fuel-injection setups.

09:57

Term

carbon buildup on the valves

Over time, engines can collect gunk on the intake valves. The host is saying one fuel system tends to cause less of that buildup than another.

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Term

DFI

DFI means the fuel is injected directly into the engine’s combustion chamber. The host is comparing it to another system that may keep the valves cleaner.

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Term

PDK

PDK is Porsche’s automatic gearbox with two clutches. It shifts quickly, and the host is saying that when PDK first arrived, fewer cars were ordered with a manual.

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Caymans

Car

Caymans

The Cayman is Porsche’s sibling model to the Boxster. The host is saying the later “Dot 2” improvements show up in both cars.

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Concept

first right of refusal

Right of first refusal means someone gets the first chance to buy the car before the seller sells it to anyone else. It’s basically a priority to make the first offer.

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Term

six-speed manual

A six-speed manual means you shift gears yourself using a clutch and a stick. Enthusiasts like it because it gives you more control over how the car accelerates.

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Term

rear wiper

A rear wiper is a wiper on the back window that helps keep it clear in rain. It’s a small but useful feature, especially on cars with rear glass that gets dirty.

Hey everyone, I'm Derek, this is 11 After 9, and this on the screen with me is my friend

Andy.

And Andy is from an unbelievable YouTube site called While You're In There.

And I fell in love with Andy's content really almost from video one because I think Andy

has something special that very few YouTubers really have.

And that is an eye not only for relatable content, but also for storytelling.

And Andy's content captured me when he purchased a Boxster and kind of dove in and talked about

what it was like to drive and then what it was like to rehab and make it his.

And I followed it along every step of the journey.

And so I'm so excited to introduce to some of you, and he's probably already a face

you know for others, to Andy from While You're In There.

Andy, welcome to my podcast.

Thanks for having me, Derek.

It's a pleasure.

Like I was saying just before we got started, this is my first official podcast appearance.

And so I'm honored.

I'm a big fan of podcasting in general.

I have been for a long time and I'm a big fan of yours certainly and everything you've

done with 11 After 9 and before that as well.

So excited to be here, excited to talk Porsos.

Yeah, dude.

So for those of you listening on the radio, Andy is completely showing me up with the

sweetest background.

He's got his cars lined up in his garage behind him and he's set up to chat Porsche.

So Andy, maybe what we can do is this, if you're okay with it, let's just start from

the beginning a little bit and introduce folks to who you are if they haven't been following

your channel.

And by the way, everyone, while you're in there, just search it on YouTube and I'll

say it again at the end of this podcast because it is absolutely something you want to follow.

So Andy, you've been, you have, what's it been?

And maybe two years you've been on YouTube, year and a half, two years?

Yeah, I think, I mean, officially probably five years now but posting an earnest with

while you're in there and the episodes on Porsos specifically, yeah, I think coming

up on two years now.

That's awesome.

And so can we talk about the cars you had and why you got into YouTubing and specifically,

let's talk about your Boxster and what made you pick that as your kind of big car to

show on YouTube?

Yeah.

Well, this is, by the time the viewers see my first episode on the Boxster, they will

understand I guess that that's actually my second Boxster that I owned at that point.

And part of the reason I bought that Boxster is I owned an almost identical 987.2 base

Boxster about a year and a half before that.

And I only kept it for a little while.

It was a perfect example.

It was low mileage, single owner had never been driven in the rain.

I fully PPF'd it.

I like it was a truly perfect car.

But I got caught up in all the things that so many of us get caught up in just wanting

something different and wanting something newer, wanting something more exciting.

And so I ended up selling that car and then spent about a year and a half regretting that

sale and really felt like if I ever found one that was the right spec and the right

condition and the right price at the right time that I would have to jump on it.

And so this one came up on Facebook Marketplace late at night, one night.

And I remember I was laying in bed with my wife and I turned to her and said, oh, boy,

I think I found my next car and your heart starts racing a little bit, right?

You're like, oh, my God, this is it.

This is it.

Yep. And it had just been posted a few hours prior.

And so I messaged the guy really quickly because I thought, ah, this is a good deal.

And it's a special color.

It's like, this is going to go quick.

And thankfully got ahold of him before it had sold and we made a deal.

And yeah, I mean, ultimately it showed up and was exactly as I expected and I expected

it to be a little ratty.

And so that really started the sort of series on bringing this thing back to life.

Why did you want to share it with everyone on YouTube?

What brought you to kind of put it up there for everyone to kind of follow along?

That's a good question.

I love photography.

I love videography.

I've always been a fan of making content.

And so just starting kind of for fun, wanting to make videos that I found entertaining and

sort of enjoy the process.

But most importantly, and sort of the genesis of the channel was really around helping to

convince other people or realize that you can buy cars that are a little bit ratty and

you can buy cars that maybe are a little bit imperfect.

But if you put blood, sweat and tears into them, you can make them much better.

And not only is that yielding you a better car at the end, but you're also going to

learn a lot and you're going to learn a lot about the cars.

You're going to learn a lot about the experience, learn a lot about working on them.

Yeah.

But most importantly for me and sort of the tagline of the channel is a journey of self-discovery

through vehicle maintenance.

And sort of the most important part to me is just learning a lot about myself through

the process and learning about what I'm capable of and, you know, achieving a whole bunch

of things that I didn't know how to do, you know, two years ago.

Yes.

And surprising yourself, right?

Yeah.

And that's the thing with these cars, especially when you, I feel like maybe like 2000s to

the 2010s, those cars are still so approachable.

And I feel like people can surprise themselves that you can do a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah, you really can.

I mean, you know, ultimately it's just, it's all just nuts and bolts.

And it's, you know, I think there's another YouTuber that always says, you know, anything

made by a human can be fixed by a human.

And I think about that often.

And yeah, it's true.

I mean, some things are difficult.

Some things require specialized tools.

Some things are challenging to do by yourself.

But the reality is, I think, you know, if you're diligent and you're careful and you're good

at researching and understanding how these things work.

I mean, you know, I'm an engineer by trade.

And so I have sort of, I'm technically minded to begin with.

And that certainly helps.

But I love learning.

I love figuring things out.

And it's, it's amazing what you're able to figure out and what you're able to do if

you just set your mind to it.

And take your time and just plan it out and you're not under the gun.

The while I'm going to amend that awesome quote that you just gave me about anything

made by a human can be fixed by a human.

Audis don't count when it comes to that.

I think that they're designed not by a human and they can not be fixed.

So let's just get that out there right now.

Yeah, BMWs too.

But this is a different show, I guess.

You know what, Andy?

We're showing our bias towards Porsche.

We better slow down.

So I love that about you.

And I love that you picked this, this Boxster.

In this, everyone out there, honest to God, this is, this is more happenstance.

I know that I'm a big Poxster fan and we've had a lot of Boxster content on this channel.

I have a Boxster and there's going to be other stuff on this channel too.

It just so happens that Andy, I came to him when it comes to his Boxster.

And we're going to talk about his 911s in a minute.

Andy, you said that when you had your first 987, you sold it and then you regretted it.

Why do you think you missed a base Boxster so much?

It's a great question.

I much like you.

I've heard you talk about it quite a bit in the past.

I'm a fan of the base in general.

I'm a big advocate for base.

I think for most people, it's the right choice.

And I think there's a lot of, we could do probably a whole podcast on that.

The Boxster, I think, if you look at the history of the Boxster in general, obviously,

when it came out, there was a lot of fanfare, but also a lot of hate from 9-11 owners

and 9-11 enthusiasts.

And it's a long history of being called the hairdresser's car or the lesser Porsche

and all that kind of stuff.

And there's always been this undertone of if you know you know,

and if you know really how special the Boxster and the Cayman are,

you understand that they are just as special as a 9-11 can be so many ways.

And in some ways, actually superior, although much like you, I own 9-11s and love them.

But this one in particular, I think the 987.2, it's one of those sort of Goldilocks

generations. It was, you know, 2009 to 2011, it was a new engine architecture.

It did away with the IMS and the IMS bearing, bore scoring concerns and so on and so forth.

But in particular, the base of the 987.2 is a 2.9 liter engine with the new architecture,

but it's not direct injection.

Yes, exactly.

The S of that year is direct injection, but the 2.9 isn't.

I'm sorry, just this is super geeky, but I'm curious about this because

Nathan Merz brought that up to me once about how that was such a sweet spot.

And he said it was a 2009.

Are all the bases from 09 to 12, are they all not direct injected?

Yep, correct.

All the 2.9s.

Okay, so sorry to interrupt, I was just curious about that.

Well, so I fell in love with this being like this sort of one-off weird engine that was in

this sort of halfway in between point between the, you know, the dot ones and the new direct

injections and once I owned it, I sort of immediately realized how special that engine

really is.

And, you know, it's not outrageously powerful.

It's 260 horsepower or something like that, but it sounds incredible.

It's, I mean, like so many flat sixes, it loves to be revved out and it really howls

in the higher RPMs and it's just a wonderful, wonderful engine that is almost completely

without fault.

It doesn't have any of the sort of lingering issues, things that typically go wrong.

It's a very reliable engine and there are so many of them out there with hundreds of

thousands of miles on them that just keep ticking and they're outstanding engines and

just a ton of fun to drive.

And because it's not, it's port injected instead of direct injected, you don't get

carbon buildup on the valves and they also, in my mind, sound a heck of a lot better than

the DFI engines and I just became really, yeah, I became a really big fan of that engine

and that platform.

They're also pretty rare.

I mean, just 08, 019, the Great Recession, they weren't making them and people weren't

buying the bases and so they're, for you to find one is pretty awesome.

It's also important to remember too, that was the first year of the PDK and so many

of the ones that you will find were sold with PDK and so it can be pretty rare, pretty

difficult to find them with a six-speed manual, which this one had.

Such a solid point.

If you find one, grab it.

For real, I mean, I feel like we're kind of letting out a little bit of a secret here

because you're the third person that has said that to me and really fell in love with that

base Boxster Dot 2 motor in that car in general.

Because like you said, styling aside from the Dot 1s to the Dot 2s, they really did,

I feel, in the Boxsters, in the Caymans, really fixed a lot of those little issues that plagued

that first generation and with very few drawbacks.

Yeah, the interiors is slightly nicer too.

It's all the reasons that people love the sort of Dot 2 refined, the 997.2 for all the same

reasons.

It's just those little refinements and those little fixes that just make it a really compelling

package and I think the market is starting to understand that and see that, which is exciting

to see, but also really frustrating to people like us that miss the days where you could get

into one of these for in the teens or low 20s and now those days seem to be long gone, I think.

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