022 | Inside Doug DeMuro’s Bat Cave | $318K Mustang GTD vs Porsche 911

Welcome to another episode of cool cars with Chris. I am Chris. Thank you so much being

here. You know, on today's episode of the show, we are going directly to the bat cave,

you know, called Robin. We're coming over. No, not that bat cave. I'm talking about Doug

DeMiro's actual bat cave where he keeps his super cars, you know, courage, had a chance

to head on over there and actually tour the place. You'll find out all about that on this

episode. Plus we're debating, well, if you were to spend, say over $300,000 on a Ford

Mustang, the GT version, is it just bragging rights? I mean, does it really compete with

Porsche? Can you do that? Is it what it's worth? Is it worth it to you? Well, we'll find out

about that and topping it off. Did he know Tesla, you know, the car company, the EV company?

Well, they may be tossing out the EV production in favor for some robots.

What? I think I've seen this movie before. Anyways, more of that on this episode. Let's go.

Hey, what's happening? I got the legendary YouTuber, traveler, world class dude courage

on the line. Hey, do you need buddy? I'm doing good, man. California is big. So I guess,

even though I haven't really left California in a while, I guess I could still,

there's just a lot to travel around there. California is a really big state. If you travel

from the bottom to the top, it's like really, really far. I mean, I've never done that. Not

speaking of which I've never like physically driven very far. It's just kind of ironic because

I'm a driver for a living. I've never really driven that far. Like the furthest I've ever

driven is like flagstaff, but yeah, I think, yeah, my parents had a house out that way. So

how long does that drive? Oh gosh, I think it was like

seven hours. I'm going to say something like that. Well, I'll just tell you this is that I,

you know, I'm from the Bay Area. I'm from Oakland originally and back in college, I would drive back

and forth between Oakland and San Diego, you know, during off seasons, everything. That's an

eight hour drive from San Diego to Oakland. And so if you're going even any further north

than California, like, you know, you're, you're, you're in the, like the nine, 10 hour drives

and you're still in California. So it depends on traffic too. Like, um, I remember when I first

got my first GPS way before iPhone had a GPS, I thought it was super cool. Cause I bought like

those, like on the dash GPS units. And so I like program like New York city to see how long it

would take because the GPS tells you like how many hours or days or whatever it tells you to

take. I think it was like two days and so many minutes or hours or whatever to go like non-stop

from like San Diego to New York city. You're going to drive and told you all that and stuff. But

I find that stuff kind of fascinating, but you know, I like, I mean traveling's fine,

but for me traveling, I kind of like keeping my traveling to like shorter distance. I think

if it's any longer than maybe eight hours, I'm flying maybe even eight hours, I probably would

fly. Well, you're, you're better than me now. Cause I, I used to be like that where it's like,

yeah. And we, when we go to like Monterey and like in the Bay area, we'll drive most of the time,

but I've started to kind of cut that off to like about five or six, like beyond five hours or so

to be honest, then I'll decide to fly, uh, just, you know, if it, if it's just long highway drives,

it just long straight drives. It, as of now, like it started to really kind of weigh on me a little

bit more. Um, you know, even going to Arizona, like I used to just like, I used to be able to

like go out to Arizona for like, you know, a job site that was like four hours away and literally

drive back the same day. And I don't really think I'd be doing that right now, to be honest.

Yeah. Well, four hour drive isn't too bad, but it's not too bad. Yeah. But I think the thing is

for me though, is if you're traveling to your destination and your entire day and a half and

then some is just in the drive out. I mean, you, I've told me to get there. You're like, I'm done.

You know, I'm like tired. I'm just trying to chill for a while, but I know flying can be

like that too. If you're like held up an airport forever and got delays and you're sitting there

and you know, it takes forever to get somewhere where it should have been, you know, to our flight,

but I do say that I really do, if I can really prefer driving because of just the control you

kind of have of the whole situation, you know, you, if you, you can keep going, if you want, you

can, if you really need to stop, you can get out, you can take a break. You're, you're in control

of the vehicle, like, you know, versus a plane, you know, you're just, you know,

it's funny that you say that, cause you know what, I was kind of wondering about that because

would you say that most of your like nine to five job is not driving, but inside your office,

right? Yeah. For me, that's, yeah, that's the case. And I'm just the exact opposite.

And so for me, it's like, I hate driving. Like I actually hate driving. If it's not for fun,

I hate it because I drive for a living. And so I, I mean, I just, I just figured like

somebody else drives or I will fly. That's kind of the way I feel just because I'm so sick and

tired of driving. I thought I would kind of not feel that way, but I think it's just because

I'm driving, you know, all day, all night at work all the time. I mean, it's the last thing you want

to see, like in a long, like, you know, again, you're not doing for fun. The last thing you want

to see is like a driver seat, I would imagine. Well, I think it's a different mode though,

too. When I'm driving at work, it's a different experience. It's a different truck. It's a different

everything. You know, I'm getting paid to be here versus if you're sitting in traffic going home,

you're not getting paid to do that. Or even a long road trip, you're not getting paid to

sit there. And so it just feels different. And you're using your car, using your gas,

you're using your miles, you're putting wear and tear in your vehicle, you know, adds up. And

you know, I think for me that like, you know, I, I guess, I guess maybe I just like, it's weird

to be the driver that hates driving, but maybe it's just, I don't know. Like if somebody else

offers to drive, I say, go right ahead. You drive. That sounds good to me.

Well, what's the old, the old saying too is like, whenever you see a mechanic, you know,

that's been doing, been, you know, say, own their own shop, or they've been a mechanic for a good

amount of years, like they most likely, they, they, they probably have a project that they,

you've just looked at for years and said, I just, you know, I don't even really like working on my

own cars now because I work on everybody else's cars all day. And so I feel like it's a little

similarity between that is like spending your, spending most of your time doing something

because you have to, because it's like, cause your, your job, when you, when you're not

working, you probably want to be doing something else. Unless again, this is more of like a fun

thing. Like if you're going on a fun drive or, you know, whatever, like you, you, you'd enjoy

that, but you know, just a normal commute and driving around or, or again, doing a road trip

isn't something that's probably on your bucket list because you're always in the car.

No, not really, not at all dude. I did over 300, like 300 miles the other night at work.

Yeah. That was local too. It didn't leave you. Yeah. I was going to say like still within

San Diego County. That's crazy. Yeah. So, but it doesn't always have the other night did that 250.

It depends. Sometimes it's like about 100. Sometimes it's like 200. Sometimes it's 300 to go

out of town. Maybe it's close to 300. So every single day doing that, you know, and stuff,

but I know it's different. It's different type of truck and different type of work and

different type of thing. It's all totally different than driving, you know, for fun to,

you know, moderate or wherever, but it's driving is driving and being on the road and seeing

that all the different signs and speed limits and traffic and cars and navigating people and

doing the thing, you know, um, you know, it takes a little out of you, you know, and,

and to do that and be done with that and just to put your, shut your brain off and not have to

real work on that and just to be able to just relax and enjoy vacation.

But I think it's probably why I probably rather fly somewhere, especially kind of far.

Yeah. I can see that.

So courage himself here, man. He is getting himself invited to all the hot Hollywood parties.

I don't know how he does it. I don't know what he does. I don't know how he gets into the name list.

I got to figure out who is your connection, man.

Yeah. Hollywood is a different story. Don't put me in that bucket.

Come on. I saw you in the red carpet, dude.

Yeah. I'm a San Diego's Hollywood. I guess you can say that's good enough, man.

Take it. So where have you been, man? What happened? Where'd you go?

Yeah, man. So yeah, today was, today was fun. It was, uh, it was something I've been,

I had on the radar for a little while, uh, shared a little bit about it, but, uh,

I didn't go to any cars and coffees this morning just cause I knew I was going to be doing this.

And if you were at the cars and coffee in Rancho Santa Fe, did you hear what they had there?

No, what'd they have? A Ford Mustang GTD. Oh yeah. Yeah. I did. So I did actually see a

post on that too. I saw multiple posts about that. Yeah. Speaking of which, it's cool to see it out

in a while. I do remember, I think at South OC, I think that they brought it out, um, you know,

but that was like really like before really anybody else was getting it. And I think Ford

kind of had a hand in like bringing it out to the event, but like having it be some bodies

that's just like out in the wild is kind of a different story. What is the retail one of those?

I'm about to do some digging right now, just to see. I think it's 300 grand. It's in the

300s. Yeah. So you're looking at like Lamborghini prices. Yeah. Or, or like really like cause

they're kind of, their competition is the, you know, the, the high performance 911 Porsches.

Yeah. What are those retail at? They're, they're in the threes too. They're like really one that's

like specked out. So, you know, somebody out there is going to look at that and say,

it's just another Mustang whoopsie do, you know, it's just another Mustang.

And that's the thing about owning a Mustang. It's one thing I always thought when I owned,

before I owned them, you know, I, well, you're really on a Mustang, my son, son's Mustang. But

when I looked at considering getting a Mustang, I was like, man, there's so many of these things

and you see them everywhere. They're all over the place. Like literally there's so many Mustangs

everywhere. You're not unique. If you've got a Mustang, you know,

sorry to all the Mustang folks out there, but they are great cars, trust me, but

there's so many of them. They're nothing special about them. As you would say,

like say, when I had my three seventies, I didn't see a lot of these out there. And so

I thought they were special because you don't have a lot of them out there.

You know, I mean, I know that the GTD Mustang is a unicorn. It's not a lot of them out there.

I get it. But to the average person, they might just see it as a regular Mustang and not even,

no, look, it's a fancy Mustang or a souped up Mustang or whatever, you know,

all those fancy Shelby's or whatever, you know, Mustang. So we know what's interesting is

I was doing a little digging and don't, don't hold me to this because this is just, you know,

just quick Google searching. But the, the GTD, I did look up price wise and right now,

like their, their MSRP is 318,000 for the MSRP from Ford. Yeah.

Do you know that dealerships going to mark that up even higher?

I just can't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, if, you know, whatever dealerships even have them

lying around, it's still like, you know, kind of on an order basis kind of deal. So, you know,

they, it's going to just be insanity with that. But the, the interesting thing is, because I,

I don't think they have a GT3 RS for this generation, 911. I know they did have one previously, but

right now they just have like the GT3 for two, two 20, 25, like they don't have a GT3 RS yet.

I don't think. But the GT3 of this generation is approximately around like 225 to like 250,000.

Deal compared to the Mustang, compared to the Mustang, like, you know, a little bit of a deal.

Like you got the others outliers, like the 911 STs and things like that.

But which ones faster around Nurburgring, Nurburgring? I think I don't,

I would have to do some, I thought the Mustang, Mustang did pretty well. And I think, you know,

the truth be told is that even if you bought one of those cars, you're not taking it to Germany,

not taking it over there. What are you going to do with that? You know what I mean? You know,

it's all bragging, right? It's just show, it's just a trophy car. Well, I think when you get to

that luxury, that price, $300,000 price point, whatever it is, it just trophy cars is what they

are. You know, they're cars and coffee trophy cars. You might do a burnout. You might do a drift,

slide into a pole, whatever. I mean, take the traction control off, do it, do it,

traction control, turn it off right now. Do it and drift. Don't take, don't take the beige.

Just do it. She'll impress that girl. You know, she, you didn't want to impress her. Come on.

You look at her right now. You want to impress her. Just do it.

I saw something a while back. It was like a reel on Instagram where it's like,

it was like what, what, I guess like people think in their minds that like how people

should react when they do certain things in public, like with their cars. It was,

like when you rev your engine or something like that and like you expected like people

were just going to lose their minds. Yeah. Like you, that's the, that's what you expect.

Yeah. No, you'll probably get a look or like a thumbs up here and there, but it was like,

it was obviously like over exaggerated where it's like, you know, you know, women are just like,

you know, just gushing and like, you know, dudes are just like, give it like, you know,

fist bump in the air because you started revring your engine or whatever. You did,

you do a burnout of the cars and coffee and everybody's like cheering you on and everything

when in reality, like everybody just kind of turns around and like, oh,

somebody, somebody decided to start that trend now at the cars and coffee is that that's what

normally happens when somebody does that. But it was, it was the funniest thing I saw in a while

where it's just like, you know, what, what was, what's probably going on in your mind when you're

doing that kind of stuff versus what's actually happening. It's just, you know, anything really,

he doesn't have to be car stuff. It can be like, you know, look at me, do this cool back flip off

this, you know, thing here into the pool and, you know, or whatever or something stupid or

whatever. But anyways, so you got invited to something super, super cool. I don't know what

the thing even is. So what is it? So, so I knew a guy that worked over at elite finish a pretty

big, you know, kind of detail and, and, you know, kind of, they do a lot of, you know, wraps and,

you know, just, I don't really know how to describe it per se, but they do a lot of

detailing and things like that. Been around for a while. I knew some of the original owners and

they, one of the guys is branched out to kind of start working with this company that does a lot

of membership based, you know, kind of car community clubs and, you know, they come with

different discounts with, you know, manufacturers and different things like that. And I just so

happened to be on Instagram, you know, scrolling through and saw a post about an event that was

going to be in a couple of weeks. And if anybody's familiar, you know, with the, you know, with cars

and beds and Doug Demiro and really, you know, those that, that platform has really been getting

built out over, I mean, forever now at this point, they have a really, really cool, they call it the

back cave kind of setup where it's basically their cars and biz headquarters here in San Diego.

And so I had, you know, an opportunity. I just so happened to message them and, and got to chat

with them. And he was like, yeah, you know, I can get you on the list. You know, it's going to be

tight, but, you know, he was able to squeeze me on the list and was able to go and check out the

back cave. It was a, it was a bucket list experience because I've seen their podcasts. I've seen like

kind of the backdrops and his newer videos now when Doug does reviews and things are all, you know,

he does a majority of the time inside the warehouse now as opposed to.

Is it a warehouse? Is it a house house?

No. So it's, it's, it's literally, you know, the, the underground floor of this, you know,

pretty big building in San Diego. So it has its own sort of like car elevator because it's actually

underground. So, you know, they, they, you know, drive their cars up to this elevator, you know,

it takes them down probably like two or three floors. And then this whole bottom floor is

basically, you know, this car storage slash office space slash podcast space.

So he rents out or owns, I don't know, this bottom basement in this building here in San Diego,

and he used that to keep all his cars and all his podcast stuff.

So it was leased out. And if, you know, for, for some background on that is that, you know,

Doug DeMiro essentially, you know, sold a large portion or a good portion of cars and bids

after building it out for those few years really during COVID, which is pretty impressive that

he was able to do that. But he sold some stake in that company to, you know, a private equity firm

that now owns a piece of cars and bids. And so with that, obviously they get bigger funding to

put towards, you know, different parts of their business and different things like that. And so

having a space like that obviously is just probably a line item and a budget for this new

company that is kind of taking that partial ownership of cars and bids. So, you know, this

Doug gets to use it as a benefit to kind of keep some of his cars there, but this is technically

now cars and bids, you know, you know, their official business headquarters now at this point.

Is that where he keeps all his personal cars? No, he, he talks about a lot. He has space at his

house. And so he'll keep, you know, a good majority of his cars there. But, you know, at certain

times he might have like one car, maybe two cars there. But you can tell that they definitely

have it filled out with, you know, with cars that are potentially about to get auctioned.

You know, some of the office staff, like they'll just kind of park down there just because,

you know, it's convenient because that area where it's in in San Diego is definitely congested.

Like, you know, you're, it's like downtown areas and gas. No, it's not like that area

downtown is a little bit closer to kind of like the, like, like North Park, North Park-ish areas,

kind of like that. Kind of like the, I guess you can say sort of like the west side of if you're

coming from like, like the college area, I guess you can say, you know, it's, it's, it's a little

bit more, it's away from the gas lamp and all of that, but more like North Park kind of city

heights area. So yeah, if you imagine driving through there in like parking situations,

it's just a nightmare. Like even, you know, me going there today, I had to park on the steepest

possible hill. No way. Right. It brings you back to home of San Francisco. Oh my goodness. Yeah,

I've told you before, I've had some like horror stories of driving my like 300ZX through, you

know, through the big steep hills of San Francisco. And so it, you know, I, I literally, I, you know,

I found the spot. I had the inch back because it was a red zone right before like somebody's

driveway. And it was like just big enough for just like one car. And so I had to make sure that I

backed up right up into the red zone, got out of that person's driveway, cranked the wheels all the

way to the curb, you know, just in case, yank the parking brake as much as you possibly could to make

sure that it was holding. And then, you know, obviously I drive a manual, I put the car in

first gear. It's just an extra precaution. When I put my manual, I was, I was putting gear always.

Yeah. I used to do it all the time with the Z, but now like with, with the end, like because I

know I have a working functional parking brake, I just kind of get out of that mentality. But I've

had a few situations where I accidentally leave it in gear and then I'll stall. But I was like, I

cannot clutch in and start it. So I put the clutch in, but as habit sometimes I'll just like take

my foot straight off of it. Oh yeah. Yeah. I've done that too. I remember the, you know, so I'm

like, I can't have that happen on a hill like this. And so what I did was I had the parking

brake, I put it in first gear and I wrapped my like, my, my USB cable around, around my, like,

you know, my, you know, just so that like when I got in the car, I would look down and say,

Oh, this is weird. My, like my USB cables wrapped around here as a reminder.

Yeah. So, so I did that, you know, everything was good, you know, but, but I was, I was a

little paranoid. I haven't like let that car just sit just on this like little, this straight up

feels like a vertical hillside. So what did you guys do at the event today?

So it was literally just kind of like a meet and greet kind of thing.

You met Doug? Yeah. You know, Doug was there. Another, another kind of big guy like around

in their space. Nick Rollison is, yeah, you know, he was there. He brought his SLR

McLaren there. So it was cool to see that, you know, kind of all opened up and, you know,

kind of on display, you know, Filippo, I've met, I've met, actually I've met Doug before as well,

but I've met Filippo and Sean, their producer. I've met them at different cars and coffees as

well. So kind of caught up with them and just got a chance to chat with them and, you know,

just kind of here and there. But I got to meet a couple of like really local guys that I'd never

met before, but that, you know, are either in the social media space or just have some crazy cars

that are kind of, you know, in that world kind of in and around that, you know, some guys just,

you know, with, with the GT3s, you know, with the GT350, you know, bus things and you just got to

talk to them and kind of, you know, get to know their stories a little bit more and, you know,

just kind of see their environment. But literally, it was just kind of a chance to kind of look around,

you know, their studio, see what cars they had, you know, in that studio on display at the time.

They had a simulator, which was cool. I got a chance to get on the little like, you know,

computer simulator and do a couple of laps, which shout out, I did have the fastest lap time.

Well, look at you, dude. The simulator until I didn't.

Okay. Well, I agree.

You're the first one to do it. That's why.

No, no. Yeah. You can say, yeah, I was, I was the first one to say, no, but it was,

it was a good four or five people before me. And I, I was, I was the fastest up until

this one guy kind of nixed all of us, you know, by like two seconds on Laguna Seca. So,

you know, I was still a second. So I'll take that, but, you know, it was, it was a lot of fun.

Like I said, it was just a chance to kind of see some, you know, some folks in and around

that I might have either seen before or, you know, hadn't met, but really are still kind of,

you know, either in the social media space or just, or one of the guys that bring out some

crazy cars that you, you know, never really have that chance to connect with. And,

did you guys talk about social media stuff? Did you guys talk about any like strategy to like,

for independent to creators, like us to kind of like crack into the space, give any tips at all?

That did come up a lot actually. A couple of guys, I got into pretty in-depth conversations

about that. And, and really I would love to say like, yeah, and I didn't learn anything, but

come on, dude. I mean, it's probably the same jargon you hear everybody says, you know, like,

you know, be unique, be special, do your thing, you know, always be posting, you know, post valuable

content, know your audience. Luckily it wasn't like that, you know, it wasn't that level of generic.

Like I definitely feel like it was genuine conversation of some struggles and, and some

breakthroughs that some folks have had kind of in that space. But some of the biggest things that

I've, you know, that I did catch wind of one guy that I met, his name's red. And so when I first

met him, you know, I was like, he was, oh, my name's red. And he's like, is it red? And he's like,

yeah, like red, like the color. And that's how he like introduces himself because that's the easiest

way. And, and so when I got to talking to him more, he's like, yeah, like my actual, my social

media, my Instagram and YouTube is red, like the color. That's, that's his name. And I'm like,

that's brilliant. Because that's like, you're basically like giving people your social media,

just like naturally, because that's how you already conversed with people. But he's been

doing this cool thing with his YouTube, where he's, he started with $3,000. And his goal is to

basically, he bought a $3,000 car and he's basically flipping cars like into like the next

flip, getting himself to the point where like he's made enough to be able to buy his dream,

like Lamborghini Gallardo. Well, if you're going to do that, make sure the car you have to flip is

actually more valuable. So there's a strategy. Yeah. He has a, he has kind of a strategy. He's,

he's kind of been around like the automotive space for a while and, and knows markets and

different things like that. It's still a guess, you know, a guesswork deal because, because,

you know, you never know what you might have to put into the car when you buy it. And then,

you know, you never know really what, you know, you got to search for the people that are really

going to pay like the most money for it. And so it's a lot of strategy involved in, and plus,

you got to buy the cars. Like you got to, you know, you might have a set price in mind to buy

the car, but the person you find might not be willing to sell it. And if it's, you know,

if it's a rare car, you might not just be able to walk down the street and find somebody else

who has the same car. And so, you know, it's an interesting concept to like start with $3,000,

buy the $3,000 car and then start to like piecemeal your way up to where you're one,

you're making a profit each time going into the next car. And then you're stacking that profit

up enough to get to this like milestone goal or whatever. But the profit margin can't be very,

can't be very much. It's probably not that, that large. Like you got to consider your labor,

your time. No one seems to consider that ever. The labor and their time, the time it takes you

to do whatever you got to do with the car, all the parts you got to order, putting it together,

you pay for things in time and money, you know, that's pretty much it. And so,

whatever you put into the car, say a $3,000 car, but you spent, you know, 50 hours working on it

and like spent a couple of thousand dollars on parts and stuff. Now you're really into the car

for a grand, you know, and now you got to sell it for five. Well, that's kind of a loss. Even though

you think it's a gain cause it's big two, whatever the car. So that's the thing that's

kind of tricky. You really have to know what you're doing. I think you really have to either,

either devalue your own time, like devalue what you're worth, which I think is, is a big factor

of that. I do agree. Like I think, you know, at a certain point, you do have to say that, like,

you know, I don't want to say my time is not as valuable as the price that I can sell this car

for. But what it leads, all the effort that it takes to make the deal happen, to do what work

you have to do to keep the car, you know, in a good state so you can then sell a car and then

going through the selling process, like you have to kind of be willing to eat that, you know, in

terms of like, this is going to take me more time than it really should from an ROI perspective.

But my goal is the monetary side of things of the upside profit of going, you know, selling this

car so I can then, you know, get into something else. Well, essentially, essentially, you become a

used car lot. A little bit. You are literally, you are physically a used car lot. They buy used

cars. They do whatever they got to do to them and they flip them around. And the only way they make

money is selling a bunch of these cars, not just the one or two here and there. They got to sell

a bunch. Of course, you have to have a space to put them in a lot space and mechanics. Well,

the good thing about his, his situation is probably, he's really like focusing on one car at a time,

which is probably smart of him in that sense. For him, he's doing himself. Yeah. But then like

for, if you want to make some money, you know, unless it's a really rare car, like say you,

say you found a vintage Ferrari, you know, and like you picked up for dirt cheap, but you're,

you know, if you can sell it for a couple million, you know, then maybe, well, but still,

like if you, you know, you probably had to put some money into it at that point and like, you

know, of course you can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean everything. What's like a house to like flipping

houses, you know, if you want to buy a house, it's like toy like murder city house and then

you do all this work to it and you flip it, you know, sell it for whatever prices are today

and you can make some money on it. I used to watch all those flipping shows. There's a bunch

of them on TV. There was a point where I was just all about all the, like the HGTV, you know,

flipper flop. That was my show, man. I watched them until they got divorced and then they got,

I don't know, the deals I tried watching afterwards. I don't know. And there was a bunch

of different versions. There was a flipper flop Vegas and then there was one for like,

I think somewhere else, but I watched the Vegas one and I wasn't too impressed with

that one for some reason. Like the dude looked like some MMA fighter and think that the chick

was like, she was a choker or something. I actually never really knew that there was like a,

like, you know, they basically tried to like duplicate themselves like in, in different

markets. I actually never knew that. I always knew about the, you know, I knew about Tarik

and Christina. Well, there was another show in Hawaii we started watching. It's very similar

concept, older house. They buy it. They flip it, but it has some more of a sentimental value

to the house, you know, like they, they have their dad come by and they bless the house

for the new buyers and they sing some Hawaiian song and all that kind of stuff.

And, but the house are ridiculous overpriced. I mean, they're really, I mean, they're

quite pricey. We're talking like millions or whatever. And they may even get described

at like, or we're fixing this house up for a nice family to have, but like, you know,

it's over a million dollars. It's like, it's not like your average family is going to buy that,

but maybe they do in Hawaii. I don't know. But, but yeah, the same concept is flipping the cars and,

and try to make some money. Get your dream car, but even when you get your dream car,

are you like, well, I want the next thing or whatever, you know?

No. And, and I'll say like, this is just, he'll like, I mean, if we had him on, like he would

probably have a different, you know, he'd probably have way more of an in-depth like thought

process of how he goes about this. But back to like the original question of kind of a nugget of,

you know, kind of some of what I talked, what we talked about was that he's, he started to see some

growth, a good amount of growth and success from that, because not only are people kind of invested

and seeing like, man, what's this guy going to do next? Like, you know, he bought this car,

like what's going to go on with the car. And, you know, they're tuning because he posts every

Sunday. He told me as a weekly posting schedule, which consistency was one of the biggest things

that came up in pretty much all the conversation I talked with people about, but he's, he's

YouTubing. So, you know, I didn't think consistency matters much on YouTube.

And I know we've talked about this a bit. It's a different, it's a different element to it. Like

it's, you know, the YouTube algorithm will definitely, you can't have a situation where

you post something and it doesn't, you know, you don't see much value and then all of a sudden

spikes because the algorithm got something right and they're putting it in front of the right

people. Your stuff never, it's never shown in order. Like it's never really shown. Like,

if you look at my page, it's like everything's kind of mishmash. Yeah. So, so versus, yeah,

versus like a podcast or everything's kind of shown in chronological order when I release it,

but on the YouTube side, it's like all like whatever, it just throws up whatever.

Well, but I will say though, that's, that's where like with YouTube, like the consistency comes in

where when you have a good amount of, you get, you have a good portfolio of videos or you have

content that people can sort of really kind of use the word bench. Like they, they can,

they can get recommended. Like, because when you go on the YouTube, like you can make those

settings when you do your end screens and things like that. Oh yeah, I did that. That's right.

You can, you can, you know, you can either have it so that YouTube recommends

whatever is the best fit, even if it's not your own videos, or you can recommend specific videos

out of your own portfolio. And so if you have a lot of content that you can then recommend

off of a video that you posted, then that, that keeps people sort of in your, you know, in your

fee. And if you're sticky enough, if people really enjoy your content, they're going to stay.

But the other side of it is, is that you, he kind of had this mentality of not only people

are following for like the day to day, like what am I doing with these cars? But because he kind of

has this like overarching goal of, yeah, you know, buying that Lamborghini people are,

he's like, his whole thing is like trying to bring people into like this long-term outlook of like,

you know, come with me on this journey of trying to like piece my way to this goal kind of thing.

And yeah, he'll probably, if he got to the point like, okay, now what do I do next? Like,

there's going to have to be something next. But for this like, you know, year or so that he's been

doing it, he's been seeing that a lot of people are willing to kind of stick around to the journey

because they're interested in what's going on right now, but they're also interested in seeing

like, will this guy actually get to this goal? Like they're, they're kind of sticking around to see

if he actually makes it. And, and he's noticing that like that, along with the consistent posting

schedule, like all of that is kind of like, kind of a wave of consistency that's kind of helping

them get some, some good viable traffic going to his videos. And, you know, that was just what I

picked up. The biggest thing from that is that if you can find some way that like brings people,

like they're, they're interested in what's going on in the present, but they're also

interested in something that's maybe further out and they want to stick around for the journey

that tends to bring people back, you know, as you keep posting week after week or whatever. Like,

you know, I, I don't think you got to post every day. Like some people feel like they got to post

every single day and that's the only way you grow. Like I don't, I don't feel like that's the case.

What's what you're doing though? I'm really supposed to be doing like, I started following this girl.

She was rolling across the Atlantic ocean from United States to England or whatever.

She made it. And every day she posted, I just saw it on Instagram.

But that's probably easy to do though. Like she's, cause she was probably doing that every day.

Right. Right. But she's making a whole reel. Maybe she's doing a YouTube channel too. I don't

know. I just saw the Instagram version of it. That's all I think I knew. So at least on Instagram,

she was posting a full blown reel. She was creating what she did during the day and different things

of the day. Like every day would say this is day 55 or whatever. This is day 25 or whatever,

you know, and kind of like a vlog style, really what it was. And, but it was every single day.

And I seen other people do very similar things. It was as rowers, this guys that were doing

same thing. I forget where they're rowing either from, from England's United States or which way,

both, I don't know. But anyways, it's a common thing now. Now I'm hearing another team of women

going to do it across the Pacific ocean, which is like crazy nuts. And so, but, but it's kind of

what, I was kind of wondering like how they get internet out there. It's got to be like Starlink

or something like that. It's got to, how they do it because there's no internet. Once you go out to

see your phone's dead, like your phone's useless. Unless you've got some kind of like satellite,

solar, something or other, whatever they have, sure they have it all figured out, whatever.

It was something to that. Yeah. That level, they've probably got some resources to tap into. And,

you know, they're probably maybe not doing the day-to-day, but like maybe they got like the

video or something or they show videos of them doing it, but like they're probably not really

managing like the overall like social media aspect. Like they got somebody to do that.

Oh, I think somebody else is doing it for them. They're not doing it. They're sending it over.

It's got to be, I mean, they, because they're in it, like they're doing it.

That's the one that's kind of wondering when you're social, when you're social media, like if you are

doing the content creation, like you're doing it, you're doing very, very well by the way. I was

looking at your YouTube channel like yesterday, whatever it was, like your stuff's like really,

really well produced, like really well edited. A lot of quick edits, a lot of multiple angles,

a lot of different video, a lot of different elements and music and different transitions,

like a lot of stuff. I'm sure it takes you a long time to put together that five minute video

versus versus, I think there's a lot of people that come in to the space, like even with Doug,

for example, he doesn't do anything. He doesn't do any of that. He records and see with the podcast

and stuff doesn't do none of that stuff. It's all hand informed as an independent creator.

We don't have the luxury. And in your, in your earlier point, like I literally eat,

I eat the time that it takes me to do that stuff. Like that's, that's the part where like

equipment and things aren't like crazy. Like I, you know, I bought it outright and like, you know,

I, it's, it wasn't that crazy expensive, but the amount of time that I put into it is like,

you know, but from ROI's perspective is probably not the values not fully there.

Well, it can be said for YouTube, even for podcasts, I've heard there were some shows,

I kid you not, we're taking weeks, weeks to edit one podcast episode, weeks.

And, and I, I'll give them credit. If it's one of those shows that's got nothing but sound effects

and it's like a sweeping like radio drama where it's got different actors and different things

and all the different stuff and it's like a radio drama. And those do take time to put together,

but even for like a regular like interview or whatever, you know, I mean,

there are people that just want to make it so perfect. But I think, I think that, you know,

I don't think it has to be as perfect, at least on the audio side,

as I thought it used to be. I thought it'd be as perfect as radio, need to sound like radio,

need to be as quick as radio and needed to have all the elements like radio,

need to sound like radio. And in audio podcasting, it doesn't really have to be that,

that pristine. People are more forgiving with, I don't say bad audio, but I'm saying like,

not quite radio quality audio. It doesn't have to be that great. I like to have it sound fairly

decent that just maybe I'm just picky and I'm just a perfectionist that way. But I don't spend

hours and hours at this show, you know, like it doesn't take me hours to do this. I'm like,

pretty quick with this kind of stuff. So I think if you can figure out a way to get something done

quickly, especially if you can do like a daily show, like the guy saying like a daily show or

whatever, you got to either like not doing the editing at all and just, or have somebody do it

for you, which can't be cheap. I can imagine. I'm going to do a full blown video editor for a

YouTube channel. Can't be cheap. It's supposed to be doing like B roll. Did you do what you do

for your show? What do you think it would cost you to have somebody do that for you?

Oh man, I would want to be getting paid on the side for what I do, for what I do now is that

I think, but, but I mean, it would be ridiculous because it's like, you know,

one, like they would have to be, I would imagine they would have to like offer like

revisions because like, you know, in my mind, like, I don't know if they do or not. I don't,

but that's the thing. Yeah. Like if they, you know, if they didn't offer revisions, like that's

probably added costs on top of that of needing to revise the video. If there's certain things you

want to tweak and change and things like that, but if you need the video out today, you got time for

that. That's true. You got time for revisions going back and forth. It depends how quickly you

need it too. And I think a lot of these editors, whether it's podcasting or video, I think the

big draw that I'm hearing about from people is that turnaround time. How quickly can you turn it

around? Not just turn on anything, but turn on something decent, I guess too. That's part of

the equation really. So I think that's a big part of it too. So I think that you know how to get

something out on your timetable with your stuff you have. And I know how to do it on my timetable,

the stuff I have, and I can do it fairly quickly and stuff, but I think that if you're passing

off somebody else, you don't know what they're going to do or, or maybe it's, you got, you want to

do it again because they didn't do it right or whatever. And I think that's part of it too. It's

like, you know, this goes back to the, you know, kind of the concept of like whenever you, you know,

I think of it as like an entrepreneur, like, you know, a lot of people want to become an

entrepreneur because they are on their own, you know, they're on their, even though they have

deadlines that they probably have to like deal with their clients or whatever they do, like

they're, they're sort of on their own terms, they're on their own schedule, they can make their

own schedule. And I think that that's something that I prefer and that I, again, I'm willing to

take this maybe more of the time sacrifice because I'm on my own deadline, my own self-imposed

deadline of, you know, this is when I want to get a video posted. So, you know, I'm going to put in

the work to, to get it done, but this was set by myself and not somebody else. Yeah, but I still

think on YouTube, it doesn't matter as much. I just don't think on YouTube because the way the

algorithm is, the way the whole display is set up, the way the videos are set up, the way the feed

set up, the way everything's set up, it doesn't matter as much to be as consistent versus an audio

podcast. If you were, and I liked that you used the word as the phrase as consistent, because I

think there still has to be like, you know, for, for anything that's not like a large YouTube

channel with like a large following, like you're not a Mr. Beast or Doug DeMiro or like, you know,

one of those where like the name is there and like you see a Doug DeMiro video pop up and if

you're into that, you're just going to watch it instantly. Like if you're not at that stage,

you're, you're a small, you know, you're a small channel, you do, like if you post a video and

you don't post for like six months, like most likely that video, even if that video did great

the six months prior, the video you post six months after probably isn't because you're just out of

like the flow of the algorithm. That's a possibility, but I'm getting recommended videos

that were like, I look at the data on them and say like two years ago, four years ago.

That's, that's where again, like I say, like I do think that you're right when you say,

when you say that it's like, you know, the, you don't have to be as consistent on like a algorithm

based YouTube versus, you know, versus podcasting, you know, podcasting is like, if you're not in

that flow and people aren't, you know, people aren't with this, like I've committed you over and over

again to the fact that, you know, keeping that consistency of, of uploading even through,

you know, some crazy times and still keeping things going, you know, that, that is a value

based that, you know, a lot of people wouldn't be able to keep up with, you know, YouTube is maybe

a little bit more forgiving in the fact that you could have something that just for some reason

clicks and gets to the right, you know, group of people and all of a sudden you start to get

growth off of that. You know, I agree that that's not, you know, there's a difference in that.

I still think though that you, you know, you couldn't just kind of get away with like posting

a video one month and ghosting, you know, and then posting another video six months a year later

and still think that you're going to get the same engagement level.

Well, I also think that's why social media is important. You kind of be on social media,

whether you're at Facebook, Instagram, whatever it is, because those things kind of get shown out

regularly to more people, pretty regularly. And I always say like, always be posting,

I think with podcasting anyways, the least is that if nobody tells anybody about the podcast,

no one's going to know, nobody's going to know. Yeah. Right. So you have to be out there knocking

on doors and I see like social media doors, I guess the door you're knocking on, you know, and

stuff to kind of like get the word out and kind of post about it and stuff like that. But I know that,

um, you know, social media does come in, does come in handy. I think more people are on social

media that are on YouTube. I know YouTube is popular, but I just think, I just think more

people are actually more eyeballs. If you're looking for eyeballs to eyeballs, I think more eyeballs

are scrolled running through social media. It is different. It is interesting that like I,

like people, people might say that they consider YouTube social media, but in all honesty,

I mean, I do, but I do look at it differently than an Instagram or a TikTok or a Facebook.

Like I look at what's posted on a YouTube, on like a YouTube channel

in a different light than I look at what's posted on. I feel like Instagram is like a way to really

kind of engage, like you can really engage maybe on a day to day basis with like all of like the

different elements of Instagram, like whether it's posting stories or, um, you know, posting

reels, like, you know, quick reels that like maybe, you know, don't take you that long to make, but

it gives you some engagement with like the people to follow you. And then obviously,

like if you really do put a lot of work into like posts and different things, you have like

almost these three different kind of elements to stay engaged on a little bit more of a, you know,

regular basis than with YouTube where, you know, even with your YouTube short, like you don't want

to just put out something that just, you know, some people do it, but you ideally don't want to

just put out like a YouTube short of you just like outside, like, you know, in your backyard

with like wind noise and, you know, talking about some topic and people can barely hear you, like,

you know, you, you don't really want to do that because unless you got a big following, like

nobody's going to watch that versus on you or Instagram or TikTok, like people will probably

give a little bit more of that a chance because they feel like they're maybe engaging with you

on like a little bit more of a personal level. I don't know. I treat my Instagram a little bit

more as like a way to like have more frequent engagement versus my YouTube channel. I treat

that as like, I'm really trying to put production like this is the production. Like, you know,

this is like the culmination of like, you know, like a week of things going on or like a special

event or whatever. Like I'm putting that on YouTube. That's just how I look at it. I don't

realize this. I should realize this for a while now is that me personally, I watch very little

YouTube these days. Honestly, God, I watch very, very little YouTube because it takes dedication.

It takes time and dedication, which I have very little of. Yeah. And so that's why I probably

listen to podcasts so much more. And I probably also like to watch like clips on Instagram

because it's like, okay, where's one minute? You know, here's 30 seconds. Here's 10 seconds.

I can spare a minute. Yeah. But like, but 10 minutes, like 50 minutes, 20 minutes.

Unless it's something that's really, really gravitating. I think for me though, all honesty,

like the only videos I've really watched on YouTube of late have been like major production

stuff. We're talking like the news or CNN or like an interview with a famous celebrity doing

interview with entertainment tonight or something like that, something kind of like

something television worthy, let's just say, you know, it's on YouTube, you know,

night tonight show, like nighttime hosts doing their monologue, stuff like that. Those are things

I've watched on YouTube when I do watch YouTube. But for the most part, yeah, like I don't watch

as much YouTube as I used to. And I don't know. I just, I don't know, just me. Maybe it's because

I'm, I'm busy in, I mean, the podcasting space and that kind of thing. But I always kind of

wondered about like own user behavior. When you look at these different things, whether it's

Instagram, podcasting, YouTube, whatever it is, I always kind of look inward and say, like,

what do I use? Like, how do I consume the stuff and try to figure out a way for I'm consuming

this? But nothing, everybody's different. I get there are people that just sit on YouTube all

day, right? That's all they do. And, and all that, I get that. But there's people that don't

watch YouTube at all. And so for me, I just try to see what I do and try to like lean into that,

if that makes sense. Yeah. No, I do agree because that's, you know, how you consume

like the platform that you're on is, is, is maybe a good tailor to how you, how you produce content

for that same platform, if that makes sense. Like, you know, you can try and guess at how

other people are using it, but your best experience is how you engage with it. And therefore,

how do I make my content that I'm creating engage with somebody that would be like me?

Because we can't think that like, we're the only ones that, that they operate the way that we do.

Like, you know, there has to be other people out there that operate the way we do and consume

things the way we do. So I mean, that's what I'm picking up is that, yeah, you know, you, if you

understand how you consume, say social media, like that helps you create content. Like what's

you're into? Like what, what makes you stop the scroll? It's all about stopping the scroll.

And even with YouTube also, it's not necessarily a scroll on YouTube, but it's like a, the thumbnail.

Like what makes you click on this thumbnail versus another one or whatever advice first or

all these videos on your screen title. Yeah. Which one makes you, what, of all these things,

you only get five minutes to spare. Which one do you click it on and why? And it was you,

wouldn't you kind of figure that out? And you kind of start like, I guess, deconstruct it and think

like, well, if they did it this way, and this is what got me to click, maybe I should design my show

and my stuff similar to way, not say copy them saying like it's used the format that they're

using to get you to click. Maybe, maybe that. And that same thing, even with for podcasting,

even with like Instagram, like you're scrolling through stuff, wherever you stop.

Yeah. Right. Right. What made you do the stop? What stopped you stop to scroll?

And I'm kind of trying to figure that out. And I'm trying to lean into that stuff a little more

than just to just creating, just to create, if that makes sense. That's actually really solid

advice. I'm not going to lie. I'm taking note of this too as well. I think that's a really

simple way to put it is like, you know, in the social media realm of like, you know, again,

it's so easy to scroll and it's so easy to just keep going and not really be taking in anything.

What, what is it that like, what is it that personally for you? Like, what is it that makes

you stop? Like to, to take in like whatever it is that you're looking at. And therefore,

from there, like as a creator, what, what elements of that can I take into my content

to potentially make other people stop, slow down and actually, you know, take in the content I'm

producing? Well, it's like a chef. If you're cooking something and you're like tasting the food as

you go along, well, that's really good. That's really good. Whatever, you know, and you serve

to other people. And so what the thing that you tasted, you're like, that's really good.

Like I'm going to serve this to other people. Same kind of concept, but like at a different

level. And one thing, another thing I was thinking about this to the other day is I think that people

really remember people or remember things that made them feel something. Yeah. If you can make

somebody feel something, whether it's hate, love, laughter, whatever, it doesn't matter.

I think people really remember you've made them feel a certain way. It's supposed to be a good,

a good feeling. You remember thinking of somebody like you're a teacher in school,

that you have as a cool teacher, like, why was it a cool teacher? Oh, he, you know,

he was really kind and really nice. I mean, he really, you know, encouraged us. He was very kind

and he said positive things. I mean, it's feel good about ourselves, you know, or something

like that. You know, for example, I was kind of wondering about that. It's like people do really,

really flock to, you know, things making them feel good. It's one good thing. And I, you know,

there's so much content. There's so many different things out there. It's like,

which direction do you go? I get it, but I just think of ourselves like we gravitate to things

that make us feel good or get pissed off too. I see a lot of that too. People get pissed off

at things too on social media. It seems like a big trend now is like you post things that get people

mad and not so much like mad at you, but like mad at like a situation. So, so I just did this. So,

so, so it's got rested for this, you know, and all this stuff. There's a new trend I've seen on

social media now that people are, I don't want you to call it, but it's like, it's like almost

like, I've seen this in politics a lot where like a politician, you know, is did something, you know,

naughty or whatever and everyone just like blast them all over social media. But I've seen it with

personal people too. There are people that will post comments on people's posts and then that person

will investigate that person and then just blow up all their stuff, all our social media and say,

look at this person and look all this stuff and all this crazy stuff. And it's just like,

it goes on and on. It's like a mudslinging contest, you know? But those get traction too

because people love to bash them. People love to jump on a train when it bashes somebody else.

It was like, I can't, I can't stand that. But the moment they feel threatened is when they're

the ones that are about to jump down somebody else's throat. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like those

bad comments you get on your YouTube channel when it's like the person who posted as like one

follower, no views, no, no videos yet to be proven wrong with that situation.

Yeah. Like it's, you know, and I, I just have fun with it now at this point when I,

I like, when I see somebody that says something like, you know, it's pretty easy like with some

of the content I post here and there too. And I like, I'm ready. Like I, and, and all the time,

like I'll go and I'll check and I'm like, what are you posting while you're over here commenting

like this? Right. Right. I do the same thing with followers. I noticed I somehow I've triggered

the bots again, because the bots have been following me like crazy on one of my Instagram

accounts. See a new follower. I click on it and like, what is this person click on them?

It'll be straight up like a bot, but they'll still have a link to like an adult website

or something like that. A lot of those are popping up on my feed now all of a sudden.

So it's kind of a weird thing when you hit these different algorithms, you never know

what's going to pop up or, or whatever and things like that. And it's just kind of the way it goes.

But the rap things up here, you had something to talk about your favorite kind of car and that

is the electric electric eel, man. The electric car. Don't out me like that. I have, I, I respect

EVs and what they do, but I am a hundred percent still, still your internal combustion. Like I

have, I'm all about the latest news with the plug and play.

I love the, yeah, but yeah, that's the best way to put it is plug and play cars these days.

They're, they're, I to sum it up, like, you know, we can get into a little deeper, but

I think we're realizing that people are still really CDs as like, they see these as a commodity.

They, they don't really see them as, as a true luxury item as something that like when they,

when they have that maybe more disposable income to spend on something more expensive, like,

you know, when back in the day, again, when we, you would buy a Cadillac or Mercedes or BMW,

because you could like, they're not seeing the same sort of progression with a lot of these EV

cars. And the biggest reason I say that is because as we talked about, Tesla is decide,

it has decided to basically stop production of the model S.

What's no way I was going to buy one next week. Yeah. What are you kidding me?

For real? They, you go, you got to get, go get that used marketplace.

That was different battery placement. I wonder about that. I have no idea.

And how easy is to do that? I'm still waiting for the solar powered one to come out where it's

all solar powered and just runs on stop. Well, they do have, they do the sum of,

I don't know if Tesla specifically, but there are cars that do have like, you know,

say their roof is like a solar panel and it helps like do like, you run auxiliary power

and things like that. But it's not, it's not charging. I want full power dude. I want the

thing to run like, I want to build a run coast to coast and never have to choose it for nothing.

The, the, the hamster wheel within the car is not quite there yet.

Damn it. Man. But you know what? So Tesla, they're getting rid of the model, model S.

What, what did the S ever stand for? Do you ever know speed? Super. Super cool.

Yeah. I mean, I think it just sounded super charged, but not really charged.

Yeah. It was like, I heard way back, I felt like it was like, you know, Model T was like,

you know, revolutionized like how cars were built, like how they built, you know,

model T more on an assembly line and, and things like that. And the model S was like this,

like, you know, progression into like this new wave of like EV cars and things like that. But

yeah, I don't think they asked for anything special. Didn't Tesla have a sports car version?

So this is why I wanted to bring this up is the, everybody, you know,

now people don't really talk about it a lot at all, but everybody really used to talk a lot about

again, the Tesla Roadster. That was the first like they created, right?

So they did have like the original Tesla Roadster, but the Tesla Roadster is a little nuanced because

it wasn't, it was like test, the Tesla Roadster was, was produced actually by like a company before

Elon actually bought Tesla or, you know, became like this, you know, large partner in Tesla.

You know, there was a pre Elon Tesla and then there was like post Elon Tesla. And so they had

the Tesla Roadster pre Elon Tesla, but I'm actually referring more to the post Elon Tesla Roadster,

you know, Roadster situation where they tease this, this car that would have like a sub two

second zero to 60, you know, it had a, you know, it had this sleek styling, it would be a two seat

EV sports car. And they had been talking about it, I think since like at least like 2019,

if not before that, but they've just never, you know, they've, they've kind of had little waves

here of like kind of re update, you know, re updating information, but never have like really

committed to bringing it out. And the one thing that I think that really, you know, I'll maybe

give a little bit of credit to Elon is, is that I think the main reason why there wasn't a big

push to actually really get it out to market was that he knew that the market wasn't really there

for something like that. Like he knew that people really as much as they said, like they were all

for it, they would love to see a like a true like super car from Tesla to come out. Like he knew

that people weren't really going to actually go out and buy it like at the end of the day.

And I think now with them, you know, the reason they're saying that they're, you know,

halting production or they're not going to manufacture the S and the X anymore is really

because they want to build these like those, those humanoid robots that they've been working on.

Of course. That's right. Those things around town. So yeah. Well, right. He's thinking they're

going to do things for us now. They'll drive us around town. Like they'll, they'll, they'll drive

our Tesla's for us, I guess, but he's there. They're basically, you know, making room for

being able to manufacture those by, you know, removing those, the, the S and X manufacturing

I see what he's doing. So he's taking the manufacturing plant and he's removing the

model S is out of there and he's reconfiguring it to make the, the, um, T 1000s or whatever it is.

Yeah, I get it. I like how you do that in there subtly too for the people that know

I mean, it's too, I'm sorry. It's too, it's too, is it the, the cyber dime, um, the terminators,

you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, exactly. But I'm saying like, yeah, that

because I, I, I'm going to really out myself is that I've never actually watched like a whole

terminator movie. Are you kidding me? Yeah. You'd, you'd probably, if anybody's listening

to podcast off now, like I've lost all credibility whatsoever, but I even liked the second, the

I have not, I've not seen it not all the way through. I've seen clips and little,

and little pieces, but I can build a judgment right now. That's okay. It's okay. Well, in that

movie, um, yeah. Well, anyways, um, so that tells the dude wants to build, um, you know,

Elon Musk wants to build the robot things or whatever. And those things are like 20 grand

a piece, I think, aren't they? I haven't seen pricing on that. I remember looking at those,

that'd be super cool to have one of those, you know, like, Hey, what would you name a robot?

If you had a robot, would you name it? Jarvis, of course. Jarvis, of course.

That would sound like the Jarvis from Iron Man. It would have to. Yeah. This, this,

I would have to have the full Jarvis experience. All right. You want to go for a female version?

You see those female bots that got coming out now? I see videos to Instagram. It's so funny.

Where we're like, it looks like a girl, but like it's a rubber face over the skeleton or

whatever kind of thing and stuff like that. And they have a lot of those bots out now,

do that kind of stuff. But there was a movie out where it was with Megan Fox. I saw like

a little bit of it. And when she was playing with those robot person in the, and the dude,

the, the husband of the house ended up hooking up with the robot. Yeah.

But of course, I mean, I mean, who wouldn't, right? It's Megan Fox. I get it. So, um, but

like, I don't think we're quite there yet. And I think it's just a funny novelty. And I just kind

of wonder, um, they see movies like I robot, everything I robot. Yeah. Yeah. I have seen

that's very similar. I robot reminds me very similar to what the Elon robots are going to be like.

They look very similar in size and look very similar the way the thing and all that stuff.

And I kind of wonder about that. I don't know what it can do. It can't do. And

if it's going to have like, and remember the movie, there was like a three protocols where like,

I think it was three protocols that three rules that the robot, the robot couldn't break was like,

it couldn't disobey a human order. It couldn't, um, put a human in harm. And there was another

third one. I forget the third one was, but there's three rules basically like we're put in place

to make sure that the robots didn't harm humans. So of course that was a movie. So that got broken.

And then, you know, fun continues. But, um, but yeah, if you want to do that, go right ahead,

do whatever. I just think that EVs are fun and all they're kind of a novelty. And I think if you've,

if you've got like luxurious car price money where you can buy anything you want cash,

like in that $100,000 price range, like, I don't know if, if buying an EV is something you care

about. It's, it's the same kind of people that probably live in California and make millions

and billions, but don't care much about their taxes, whatever. They don't care about gas prices,

but that if gas price goes up to seven, eight bucks a gallon, they're like, whatever, who cares?

Hey, Jarvis, go fill the car up. You know, um,

why we'll say there's, there's probably people that don't care much about gas prices, but

tax, taxes seem to really get to everybody no matter what price, but I'm saying like,

like we are, we're heavily overtaxed under gasoline versus other states in the country.

And so people complain about that a lot, but I think the big draw, at least for me,

if I was going to get what's probably a big draw for a lot of people that get an EV car

is the gas savings. That's the first thing everybody brags about. We, we talked about this show

about how when you rented that EV truck, how the price wasn't like that much different than buying

gas, but you also got it from one of those like charging places, not from charging at your house.

So it's probably a difference, you know, but, but that's probably like the main reason why people

buy these things is so they can save money electricity and save money on gas. Like I'm not

paying, you know, whatever a gallon, whatever and stuff. That might go away. That might go away

now too, but this is a whole separate topic. We probably don't get to do, but the mileage tax.

Yeah. Like, you know, that, that would really throw a wrench and a lot of things in that realm, but

because I'm making money on gas, if, if only people are, you know, buying these electric cars

or whatever. But I think the reason people buy them is they, they can avoid, you know,

paying at the gas pump. That's what I keep hearing about that. And I know that when gas prices

surge to like $6 and above, like EV sales were just like crazy. Everyone's either trying to buy

one or trying to get into them. Same thing happened to me when I bought my first house,

my last house, last house, house before last, um, the first summer I ran the AC and guess what?

I hit with a big old fat bill and the very next day I looked up and Googled all the solar companies

in town and I got solar installed immediately. That's funny. Cause I'm not paying this crap.

I can see the same happening if you have an EV car, but if you're super Uber rich,

do you really care? I don't think you care as much. I really don't. I don't think you care.

Well, what I, what I think is like, I, I mean, I, I do still think that there's like,

there's a market for them. Like even in the luxury space, like I think there's a,

there's a market for them. But we were, we were talking about this a little bit beforehand too,

is that like Tesla has still sort of always, they, they've still been seen as like, yes,

they make, you know, cool, interesting cars, but the quality aspect has, has always been something

that people have complained about throughout like Tesla's history. Like they, they, you know,

whether it's just fit and finish or like certain quality items, like they, they just have not

been at that part of like quality that people would be expecting to pay at those higher price

ends. Like the things that you would, you know, accept out of like the model three and the model

Y being like just like a pure commuter car that you're just using to get from point A to point B,

do what you needed to do are different from somebody that's spending over a hundred thousand

dollars on a car that, you know, yes, they wanted to do all those same things, but they're also

getting it because of some of the aesthetic value and, and, you know, the fit and finish.

They want that to be in place. And I think there's other EV cars that do that a lot better than

Tesla. Like luxury brands, like, like Cadillac, for example, like, you know, they're, they're like,

I had a chance to drive the, the, the Cadillac Escalade IQ, like a while back, this was like,

like a year or so ago, where I got a chance to drive that. And like, you know, getting into that,

like you're just getting into like a luxury living room, like, you know, just fit and finish

leather everywhere, screens everywhere, you know, the door chimes and things make you feel like

you're just a dash where you can look in front of the bumper. Like you, like you look at the screen,

but it's like looking out the front of the bumper. Yeah. Like the, the, the, yeah, what they call it,

the sort of night vision camera kind of thing. I don't know what it's called, but I, but I had,

yeah, I've gotten to ride with somebody and he had that screen on. It was kind of a trip. Look at

like, look at the window, but then you look at the dash, which look at the window. And like,

yeah. And like things like that, like, I feel like certain brands have created some,

you know, some EV, you know, cars that have the fit and finish, the quality, the technology,

and, and all of those bells and whistles that really make people want to spend that, that, you

know, you know, extra $100,000 that they wouldn't spend on say a model S or a Y, like they would

spend that on like those cars, you know, even Rolls Royce, like they changed the, the, the

Rolls Royce Spectre is like a full EV Rolls Royce, which a lot of people were like, you just can't

do that. Like that's not going to be a thing, but there's certain people that really, again,

if the quality of Rolls Royce, you want a Rolls Royce to be like a quiet, you know,

serene experience. So I mean, the natural progression is to like make that, you know,

have the same power output and delivery, but make it EV, you know, people might pay for that.

But I think the struggle and what, you know, what Tesla really realized was that people just,

I mean, some people bought them. Like it's not like they, you know, people weren't buying them,

but the real market driver was that, you know, their quality just wasn't at a point where like

people were really able to like catch on and like really buy these things the way that they wanted

them to versus with the threes and the Ys, like people were buying those all day because they're

not looking for the same quality fit and finishes they were, you know, to spend on a 30, 40, 50,

$60,000 car. And, you know, again, they might have had a different thought process on that.

Maybe it really was. They just, we want to build more robots. We don't got enough space. Let's just

get rid of these cars. Like maybe it was just literally as simple as that. But I think that they,

I think that the reason why we never really heard much about the Roadster, because at this point,

like I consider that they're just not going to do it. Because if they've canceled the S and the X,

which were their top-of-the-line flagship models and, you know, and they just haven't

talked about the Roadster for like the last two years, I don't think they're going to do it anymore.

And I think the reason is they- Well, would you be, if you could, would you be interested in buying

one? I like, when it comes to, I was talking to somebody about this too, is like, you know,

I got a buddy who has a Audi e-tron GT, like the four door, all electric Audi,

all wheel drive, that thing, you know, with its full boost mode has like 900 horsepower or something

like that. Like why, in my opinion, this is like total, total soapbox moment. Why would I buy a

two seat EV sports car that has 900 to 1000 horsepower when I could buy a four seat,

you know, full way more practical EV sedan that does 0 to 60 and 0.8, you know, 0.2 seconds slower.

But like I said, it's still a two second 0 to 60 car and have all of the practicality, but still

majority of the performance as the EV sports car. Like why would I even, why would I even consider

getting like something that's way less practical for that point to, you know, of acceleration,

you know, time? Well, I just don't see the point of- Well, you just answered your own question,

dude, because you said, you said two door sports car versus a family car. That's the difference.

Is that you're buying a sports car, not a family car? Well, I don't see it. I don't see it that

way though. Like I, I see like the Audi e-tron, like, you know, again, yes, it's a four door car.

That thing will, will out accelerate literally anything on the road. Well, I'm sure it will.

I'm sure it will probably handle better than like a majority of things out on the road as well,

because they have a really, really low center of gravity. Well, what do you think of those

Porsche's, those big long four? The Taycans, like the- Yeah. What do you think of those?

Those are four doors. They look slick. Big fan of those too. I don't consider those to be sports

cars. I mean, they're Porsche's, but I don't, like, I wouldn't consider them as a 911.

You're, you're, I feel like you're getting a 911 for maybe a different experience. Yeah,

if they made it, if they made an EV 911, I would, I would get, I would get a Taycan over an EV 911.

It's that, that's, that's, that's where, that's the kind of where I plant my flat. It's like,

the only reason I would look at a 911 is because it still has an internal combustion engine. Like

if, if, if they were to say- So it's like an EV easy issue that not the actual side,

I'm thinking like size of the vehicle, like a family car, whether it's EV or not EV.

That's where I think I differ a lot from a lot of people. It's like, I really don't care about

the size or the amount of doors of the car. Like if it can perform just as well, maybe a slight

tick off, but just as well, same performance, same acceleration, but it's got extra practicality.

I'm going for extra practicality. I don't know, man. I mean, I like, I like practicality too.

How that could all, you know, if your car could do it all great, if it can be off road, go fast,

go, do, you know, haul, haul the family and do whatever, all at the same time. Fantastic.

And drift, great. Let's do it all. But, um, I think that when you get to a level of like money,

like Doug DeMaromo kind of money, we have like a Lamborghini and here's my, this over here,

and there's my other thing over there, you know, to where you have your fun two-door sports car,

you know, kind of thing. And then you have your, you know, bigger, you know,

flagship, I guess, family car that could do fast and still do the fun stuff, but it's not

quite a sports car, but it does sporty things, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I, I think we're

saying literally the same thing. It's like I, I would still like my dream cars are still

the, like the Lamborghini Aventador, like the, the Aston Martin DVS, like, you know, those are,

if I had that, if I was in that price bracket, I would still be buying those cars. But what I'm

saying is EV to EV, where it comes to getting say a sports car EV to a quote unquote family car EV,

I would get a more practical EV that still does a majority of the things that the sports car EV does

and still have pretty much all of the same experience. The only reason that, again, I'm

going outside of that with the, with the internal combustion cars is because I still believe internal

combustion cars give you a totally different experience than EVs do. And that's why I still

dream about owning those, those, those internal combustion cars.

Well, as long as it's a sale, even on the used market, that dream can be a reality.

Oh, a hundred percent. Until, until, um, you know, California completely bans,

completely bans, um, gas powered cars, they never pass that through. They're going to do that.

They're going to, and they would, and that was, that was all on like new, new sales of, of, you

know, they, they were trying to say that like they wouldn't sell any new, new EVs, but they,

they sell new gas powered cars. Yeah. Or they would, yeah, they wouldn't sell any new gas

powered cars, but yeah, they, that, that wasn't to say that like, you know, they were going to come

and like, you know, tow away all of your gas cars. Like, yeah, I don't know. It would be the same thing

as, you know, to, you know, I don't want to get into that, but the firearm discussion, like they,

you know, they, they couldn't do that. Like California is just too strong on their, on their

side of the, on their side of the fence with internal combustion that like, you know, we

couldn't, we could, we, I don't think we'll ever get to a point where it's like a hundred percent,

you know, we, we only have EVs. Like, you know, there's probably going to have to be different

tax situations and, you know, different, you know, licensing and registration for internal

combustion cars, but I don't think we'll ever get to a point where it's just like, you know,

and unless we're like a hundred, 200 years in the future, maybe, but, you know, in my lifetime,

I do not suspect that we're going to get to a point of, you know, of no internal combustion cars,

like owned by people or being able to be bought on the used market. Like there may be a possibility

that we get to a point where like, you know, there's like maybe one or two cars that a manufacturer,

you know, bills that are, you know, internal combustion, but everything else is EV. Like

that could be a possibility, but the used market, I don't think we'll ever go away. Like, you know,

because you just would, I mean, how would you control that really? And I don't want people

to put the thought to it either. Everything that's new, everything that's new becomes used at some

point. Yeah. And so even if you keep flooding the market with new, new stuff, whatever it is,

that eventually becomes used and eventually goes to the used market. And so if these manufacturers

want to stay in business, if car dealerships want to stay in business, it's just a cycle of life,

baby. You know, it goes to do goes to old and we all pick it up and have fun with it.

I mean, that brand new Corvette gets to the fifth owner and they're doing, you know, side

shows and throw their buddy off the back of the back of it, you know? So courage, man, dude,

this has been so fantastic. I'm so glad you had a great time heading over to Doug's, you know,

you know, Batcave and see all the cool things over there and, you know, your thoughts on EV stuff.

It's been great talking to you, man. No, man. Thanks. I, like I said, hopefully I didn't get

too passionate there, but I, I love my ICE cars. I love my internal combustion. Like, you know,

that's, that's with me forever. But, you know, it's just interesting. It's interesting seeing

the EV climate. And so don't I share some thoughts on it for sure. Fantastic. And thank you too for

listening. We appreciate you too. If you want to follow along and I'm over to coolcarswithchrist.com

You can go over there and see all the cool stuff, links to everything. It's all right there.

One stop shop baby. And until next time, we will see you later. Make sure you stay safe and make

sure your Tesla does not catch on fire because that's a bad thing. Call that a barbecue Tesla.

That's what the S stands for. Well, it doesn't work that way, but barbecue S that's what it is.

I'll see you guys later.

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